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please help me!!!!! RE: SPEAKER AND POWER AMPLIFIER.
« on: August 27, 2008, 10:33:46 PM »
ano po ba tlga ang proper and standard mathing of speaker wattage and power amplifier wattage when it comes into pro audio? sabi ng iba sakin dapat mas matas ang wattage ng speaker than the power amp in the way na dapat double ang taas ng speaker watts than the amp watts. At ang sabi ng iba dapat mas matas ang wattage ng power amplifier than speaker? :?

Please help me mga pro audio experts.  :-(

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« Reply #1 on: August 27, 2008, 10:53:24 PM »
ano po ba tlga ang proper and standard mathing of speaker wattage and power amplifier wattage when it comes into pro audio? sabi ng iba sakin dapat mas matas ang wattage ng speaker than the power amp in the way na dapat double ang taas ng speaker watts than the amp watts. At ang sabi ng iba dapat mas matas ang wattage ng power amplifier than speaker? :?

Please help me mga pro audio experts.  :-(

I'm no pro but I know what i am saying.

According to "street pros" (eg Raon techs), kaya nang patakbuhin ng 250w/channel power amp ang 2 500w speakers distributed to every channel. Meron pa nga sila setup na pinapakita and indeed kayang-kaya nga. Yun nga lang pag mejo nakatodo na ang amp, mejo distorted na ang tunog. Yun nga lang, di naman bumibigay amps nila.

According to Pro-Audio Professionals (science-based), your power amp should be twice the power of your speakers. They also have setup to show and indeed they're right. Mas safe ang rig pag sinunod ang setup na ganito and not likely mag-distort. Di hamak na mas maganda din talaga ang sound quality. Although yung street pro set up "pwede na" din.

I'm pretty sure pro audio experts would recommend the second one.

Depende siguro sa set up mo bro. Kung set up mo pang-local church or venues na parang ganyan, pwede na yung "street pros" na setup. Kung mejo malaking set up na, better stick with the scientifically (acoustics) proven concept. Especially kung maglalagay ka pa ng sound enhancers.

that's just my 1.5cents. :) Hope this helped clarify your confusion.


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« Reply #2 on: August 28, 2008, 12:52:46 AM »
I'm no pro but I know what i am saying.

According to "street pros" (eg Raon techs), kaya nang patakbuhin ng 250w/channel power amp ang 2 500w speakers distributed to every channel. Meron pa nga sila setup na pinapakita and indeed kayang-kaya nga. Yun nga lang pag mejo nakatodo na ang amp, mejo distorted na ang tunog. Yun nga lang, di naman bumibigay amps nila.

Kahit 1 watt lang pwede i-drive ang speaker. Kung titingnan natin ang technical specifications ng speaker na gawa ng maayos na manufacturer, may mababasa dapat tayo "sensitivity" na ang unit ay ilan decibels @ 1 watt @ 1 meter. Halimbawa nakasulat doon na ang sensitivity ay 100 dB/W/m, ibig sabihin nito ay 100 dB ang maririnig at masusukat na lakas ng tunog sa distansyang isang metro layo on-axis mula sa speaker pag pasukan ng 1 watt power level na audio signal. 103 dB naman ang maririnig at masusukat 1 meter away on-axis pag 2 watts power level na audio signal. Laging tumataas ng 3 dB ang lakas ng tunog pag dinoble ang power. Pag ginawa natin 20 watts ang power level ng audio signal, 113 dB naman ang maririnig at masusukat natin 1 meter away on-axis. Tataas ng 10 dB pag lakasan ng sampung beses ang power. Gaanong kalakas naman ang maririnig 1 meter away on-axis kung 200 watts ang power? Ang sagot ay 123 dB. Gaanong kalakas naman ang power na kailangan kung gusto natin ng 126 dB? 400 watts ang sagot. Ito ngayon, kung 120 dB lang ang kailangan marinig 1 meter away on-axis, okey lang i-drive ng 400-watt power amp ang speaker na 100 dB/W/m na may 800 watts continuous power capacity. Bakit? 100 watts lang ang kailangan para maabot ang 120 dB. Ang 100 watts ay 1/4 power lang ng 400-watt power amp. May 6 dB headroom pa tayo at hindi mahihirapan ang power amp!

Sige, halimbawa kailangan natin marinig ay 126 dB at gamit natin ay 400 watts na power amp lang para sa speaker na ang power handling ay 800 watts continuous. Sa ganitong sitwasyon, lagi naka todo ang power amp na wala ng headroom. Hanggang 400 watts lang ang kaya ibigay ng power amp at lagi nakatodo. Ang mga mangyayari ngayon pag patuloy pa rin gamitin ng matagal at klip na ang audio signal ay distorted na ang tunog, nahihirapan na ang power amp kasi hindi na kayang itulak ang speaker, iinit ang power amp, lalabas mula sa power amp ang kuryente (DC output) na papasok sa speaker, iinit at masusunog ang voice coil ng speaker,  sira na ang speaker pero patuloy parin umaandar ang power amp, labas parin ng labas ng kuryente ang power amp kahit sira na ang speaker, ang power amp naman ang iinit at masusunog o puputok!
« Last Edit: August 28, 2008, 12:56:45 AM by Tarkuz Toccata »
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« Reply #3 on: August 28, 2008, 03:52:31 AM »
Kahit 1 watt lang pwede i-drive ang speaker. Kung titingnan natin ang technical specifications ng speaker na gawa ng maayos na manufacturer, may mababasa dapat tayo "sensitivity" na ang unit ay ilan decibels @ 1 watt @ 1 meter. Halimbawa nakasulat doon na ang sensitivity ay 100 dB/W/m, ibig sabihin nito ay 100 dB ang maririnig at masusukat na lakas ng tunog sa distansyang isang metro layo on-axis mula sa speaker pag pasukan ng 1 watt power level na audio signal. 103 dB naman ang maririnig at masusukat 1 meter away on-axis pag 2 watts power level na audio signal. Laging tumataas ng 3 dB ang lakas ng tunog pag dinoble ang power. Pag ginawa natin 20 watts ang power level ng audio signal, 113 dB naman ang maririnig at masusukat natin 1 meter away on-axis. Tataas ng 10 dB pag lakasan ng sampung beses ang power. Gaanong kalakas naman ang maririnig 1 meter away on-axis kung 200 watts ang power? Ang sagot ay 123 dB. Gaanong kalakas naman ang power na kailangan kung gusto natin ng 126 dB? 400 watts ang sagot. Ito ngayon, kung 120 dB lang ang kailangan marinig 1 meter away on-axis, okey lang i-drive ng 400-watt power amp ang speaker na 100 dB/W/m na may 800 watts continuous power capacity. Bakit? 100 watts lang ang kailangan para maabot ang 120 dB. Ang 100 watts ay 1/4 power lang ng 400-watt power amp. May 6 dB headroom pa tayo at hindi mahihirapan ang power amp!

Sige, halimbawa kailangan natin marinig ay 126 dB at gamit natin ay 400 watts na power amp lang para sa speaker na ang power handling ay 800 watts continuous. Sa ganitong sitwasyon, lagi naka todo ang power amp na wala ng headroom. Hanggang 400 watts lang ang kaya ibigay ng power amp at lagi nakatodo. Ang mga mangyayari ngayon pag patuloy pa rin gamitin ng matagal at klip na ang audio signal ay distorted na ang tunog, nahihirapan na ang power amp kasi hindi na kayang itulak ang speaker, iinit ang power amp, lalabas mula sa power amp ang kuryente (DC output) na papasok sa speaker, iinit at masusunog ang voice coil ng speaker,  sira na ang speaker pero patuloy parin umaandar ang power amp, labas parin ng labas ng kuryente ang power amp kahit sira na ang speaker, ang power amp naman ang iinit at masusunog o puputok!



I can't thank you enough sir. This is not my thread but you have educated me a lot. You explained my point in such a way that I finally understood what street pros are doing. You've also covered the capacity and limits of the "street" set up. Man, I've pasted your reply on my "tech notes".  :mrgreen: You da man!

Disclaimer: "street pro" and "street setup" pertain to experience and setup, respectively, that are not scientifically proven but have been observed for a long time and found "working". This is not intended to dicriminate any tech. Thank you!

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« Reply #4 on: August 28, 2008, 10:14:13 AM »
tama silang lahat sir. for me the very best is balance po.. dapat  pantay ang lakas ng amp sa speaker.. or pantay ang speaker sa lakas ng amp.. kaya nga nag indacate ang amp for his output.. for your speaker diba..

pero its up to you kung mag dadagdag ka ng wattage coz. hindi mo naman magagamit ng full volume lalo na kung naka 500watts output ka..

pero kung naiitodo muna yung amp mo. it means it has his limits na,..

take note sir.. for example you have a power amp with a 500watts..
check for its ohms.. then check kung anong watts ang ibubuga nya. if you have a 4ohms 250watts per.. then pwde ka mag lagay ng tig dalawang 250wats pair channel.. but.. if the amp  dosn't have indacations and it only says 500watts per channel with a 8ohms.. then dapat 500watts na speaker ang ilagay mo with an 8ohms.. if hindi kalahati plang ang volume mo at hindi kaya ng speaker then its time na mag add ka pa. but only when you know about its ohm rating.. kasi pag sobra ang watts ng speaker maaring maginit agad ang amp mo..

again..  if your amp has its full volume  and kayang kaya ng speaker mo.. then thats the limit of your amp as long na hindi sabog ang tunog nya.. hope this help too.
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« Reply #5 on: August 28, 2008, 12:01:35 PM »
ano po ba tlga ang proper and standard mathing of speaker wattage and power amplifier wattage when it comes into pro audio? sabi ng iba sakin dapat mas matas ang wattage ng speaker than the power amp in the way na dapat double ang taas ng speaker watts than the amp watts. At ang sabi ng iba dapat mas matas ang wattage ng power amplifier than speaker? :?

Please help me mga pro audio experts.  :-(

Maraming beses ko na nababasa ang tanong na ito sa mga ibang thread dito sa MT&PA forum at paulit-ulit ko rin binibigay ang parehong sagot. Buti nalang nakikinig sa akin ang mga newbie. I do this for a living and I was schooled on this.

Tingnan ang power handling ng loudspeaker at gamitin na guide para sa pagpili ng power amp. We have 3 choices:

1. Continuous Power
2. Program Power
3. Peak Power

I subscribe to Option 2 because it is the safest.

Hope this helps.

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« Reply #6 on: October 11, 2008, 03:53:12 PM »
Bro, sa application namin madalas mas mataas ang amps kesa speakers for the simple reason na you will be able to avoid clipping, yun ang susunog ng speakers mo. Tapos compressor na lang. It's not true na pag 1000 watt ang speaker mo eh d kaya sibakin ng 150 w amp yan, kahit ano pa taas nyan bastat nag DC ang amp mo, Yari ka.

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« Reply #7 on: October 20, 2008, 12:59:33 AM »
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Bro, sa application namin madalas mas mataas ang amps kesa speakers for the simple reason na you will be able to avoid clipping, yun ang susunog ng speakers mo. Tapos compressor na lang. It's not true na pag 1000 watt ang speaker mo eh d kaya sibakin ng 150 w amp yan, kahit ano pa taas nyan bastat nag DC ang amp mo, Yari ka.

teka sir,, parang mali ata? to avoid sound clipping at massunog ang speaker dapat mas mataas ang amp? dikaya pag mataas ang amp mas risk ang speaker mo na masunog?.. and for some reason? paano po masusunog yung 1000watts na speaker ng 150 watts? di po kaya ang masunog is your transistor or i.c.? for so much wattage of your speaker? i have watched on youtube.. kahit 220volts na AC direct connected to a "1k watts of speaker" it will take some minutes to smoke that crap..
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« Reply #8 on: October 20, 2008, 01:23:09 AM »
naexplain na yan dito mga sir. dapat mas mataas ang wattage ng amp kesa speakers. malakas kasi makasira ng speakers ang mga amp na mas mahina wattage.

For explanations mas maganda mga expert magexplain para malinaw. konting tulong lang sir tarkuz. :-)
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« Reply #9 on: October 20, 2008, 08:48:17 PM »
nice info.. medyo lito rin ako sa speaker and power amp combination e..
pero question..

so for example i have two passive 250watts/8ohms loudspeakers. and i'm using a Samson Servo 600.. i can run both loudspeakers into the amp with no problem with clipping right ? pwede ko pa din lakasan yung volume without worry. pano pag i use mga 1500watts amp , mahihirapan speakers ko pag malakas volume ng amp diba? tama ba ?

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« Reply #10 on: October 20, 2008, 09:33:32 PM »
teka sir,, parang mali ata? to avoid sound clipping at massunog ang speaker dapat mas mataas ang amp? dikaya pag mataas ang amp mas risk ang speaker mo na masunog?.. and for some reason? paano po masusunog yung 1000watts na speaker ng 150 watts? di po kaya ang masunog is your transistor or i.c.? for so much wattage of your speaker? i have watched on youtube.. kahit 220volts na AC direct connected to a "1k watts of speaker" it will take some minutes to smoke that crap..

I wish mikep would have the chance to see this thread.

If I remember mikep right, a typical speaker can withstand amplifier power up to 20 times its own. so if your speaker is 150w, running it using a 1500w power amp is ok. An amp that has power lower or equal to the speaker amp is not advisable because it causes clipping -- and it's not high power that destroys your speakers, it's actually low power that brings clipping and/or distortion. That's contrary to what old timers have been teaching us. The safest amp power to run your speakers (scientifically proven) is speaker power multiplied by 1.6 if your music is not really heavy (like church sound) and times 2 would be safest for rock/heavy music. mikep uses times 4.

so if your speaker is 200w, to be safe have it run by a 400w amp. Also, check its impedance! there are amps that only run 8-ohm speakers. If you combine 2 8-0hm speakers, that becomes 4ohms and it's no longer compatible to your amp. Although most of the amps nowadays are auto-impedance protected, still, make sure to check the amp specs to make sure.

I don't want to sound Mr. Know-it-all so I'll ask sire mikep to confirm my input and he will have all the right to correct me blatantly if I'm wrong. :)

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« Reply #11 on: October 21, 2008, 01:53:57 PM »



true sir 90%  na masusunog ang speaker kay-sa amp na mataas ang watts, transistor or I.C.,, at 90% din na masisira ang amplifier na mahina kaysa speaker

Kasi po, mas maliit ang wattage ng speaker mas maliit ang “COIL” at “WIRINGS” nya.. kaya mas madali sya masunog ang dadaloy na current wattage eh masyadong mataas. Para syang example ng “FUSE”

Kapag 110v ang fuse mo and sinaksak mo sa 220v, malamang puputok or mapuputol yung current ng fuse.. kaya mas 90% na masisira ang speaker.. pero kung meron po kayung magandang explanation maari po na maniwala ako na 50% na masisira ang amp at 50% masisira ang speaker..

tapos mas mataas naman ang speaker watts mo, mas mataas ang risk na masira ang amplifier.. kasi para mo naring pinag dikit yung positive and negative nila.. pinadaloy mo lang sa speaker..

Lalo na mga amplifier na transistor ang gamit mong amp, na medyo bumubuga ng kaunting current ng DC.. talagang posubling umusok muna yung speaker bago eto malagutan.. nag experiment narin po ako nyan. Meron akung

550 watts transistor amp.. rms yun. At connect ko ng 150watts speaker.. talagang pumipitik yung coil nya sa sobrang galaw ng coil. Tapos sobrang garargar na sya pag nilakasan mo.. pero ok parin naman as long na hindi lumalabas yung “COIL” ng speaker hindi sya masisira… pero kapag lumabas yung “COIL” nya sa magnet or lumagpas yung end ng wirings nya,.. bigla nalang yun pipitik at hindi na tutunog which means, sunog na yung “COIL” ng speaker mo..

Kapag mas mataas ang amp kay sa speaker.. 90% masisira ang speaker..

For the upper question.. I have some option. pero sure na mga expert narin dito ang makakapag paliwanag ng iba..

Example: you have a 500watts amplifier RMS output continues power with 8ohms
Kung gusto mo midrange with fewer bases. Pwede mo ipantay ang wattage ng speaker sa amp mo.. coz yun na ang indication na nilalabas ng amp mo is 500watts.. so 500watts din na speaker ang pwede mo ikabit for the midrange or compressor 8ohms din. Per channel

Pero pag sa base naman.. kung gusto mo bumabayo yung woofer mo.. I suggest na mas mataas ang amplifier kay sa speaker.. maybe mga 300watts pwede na.. for mas clarify na base and boom sound.. “OPTION” ko lang po eto kasi ganyan ginagawa namin pag nag co-crossover kami..



« Last Edit: October 21, 2008, 02:11:37 PM by dualcoil »
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« Reply #12 on: October 21, 2008, 03:04:02 PM »
Guys, Tarkus has a very nice explanation regarding this matter in this thread.  Read and re-read and understand it.  It is the only way to clear up things about it.  But purposes of just basic calculation at general rule (kasi may mga other matters to consider), dapat mas mataas ang power ng amp kaysa sa speaker.  At least 1.5 to 2 times.  Kasi, pag mababa and power ng amp, walang headroom, at the more you keep your system operating, at a certain point ang ibinibigay na signal na ng power amp ay distortion.  Yan and sisira ng speaker mo.  So, normally para ang power amp ay malamig at magaan ang condisyon, gusto mo mayroon kang nalalaang headroom kahit na may mga peaks kang di inaasahan.  Pag nag-clip yung amp mo, yan po ang sisira ng speaker mo.

JBL states that speakers are capable of handling up to 20 times the power of amps.  Ito naman ay sa mga peaks lamang.  The thing to always consider is the continuous power at dito, pag times two ang power amp rating mo versus speaker, tama lang ang matching.  So, what to always remember is, the power amp should always be higher in wattage compared to the speaker and that at least the power rating is two times the speaker power wattage.

When in doubt, research.  Please Goggle the internet and base your knowledge on proper facts - from books, paper researches and even the net.  Be selective in your search for knowledge.  Wrong notions can be dangerous.  It will surely blow your speakers away! 

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« Reply #13 on: October 21, 2008, 06:49:38 PM »
Thank you sir mikep. I believe you have sealed this topic already -- resolved. Hope wala nang magdadagdag ng more confusions pa.

I think Leonart, being a forum newbie, has lost track of this thread so if I may suggest -- mods, I think pwede na natin i-lock ang thread.

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« Reply #14 on: October 22, 2008, 09:36:55 AM »
@MikeP - care to comment on this article?

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« Reply #15 on: October 22, 2008, 09:37:07 AM »
@MikeP - care to comment on this article?

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« Reply #16 on: October 22, 2008, 03:27:02 PM »
@MikeP - care to comment on this article?

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« Reply #17 on: October 22, 2008, 05:26:05 PM »
Hi, I'm a newbie po and this thread really gives me a lot of information. Pero tanong ko lng po, yung principle po ba na dapat mas mataas ang wattage ng amp sa speaker eh applicable din sa tweeter/compression drivers?

Meron po kasi akong tweeter na 300 watts, ok lng po ba kung ang pang drive ko lng sa kanya ay 200 watts RMS na power amp?o kailangan mas mataas pa?
Mas maliit po kasi ang voice coil ng tweeters kaya baka masunog lng pag tinaasan ko pa ng wattage yung amp ko.
I would greatly appreciate your input mga sir :-)

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« Reply #18 on: October 22, 2008, 06:03:36 PM »
There is no debate regarding what the author of the article is saying.  It is true that speaker damage is brought about by too much SPL or input power as it mechanically rips the speakers, and putting "too much power, beyond the limits of what the speakers can take" puts too much thermal or over-heating, literally burning the coil.  As I mentioned in my post in the thread, there are several factors to consider regarding speaker-amp matching and this can be one of them.  This is aside from understanding matters like impedance, damping factors, connection and connectors, wire gauge, the math that goes along with it, etc.  But for the novice, I would advice the simpler, most accepted and practiced procedure by countless practitioners so as not to muddle the situation.  I am quoting here an advice from Sweetwater (http://www.sweetwater.com/shop/live-sound/power-amplifiers/buying-guide.php) regarding amp-speaker matching, as follows:   

Matching Amps to Speakers

Tapco's J-1400 offers 1400W @ 4 ohms (bridged)

"When you're matching a Power Amp to a PA Speaker, a good rule of thumb is to pick an amplifier that can deliver power equal to twice the speaker's continuous IEC power rating. This means that a speaker with a "nominal impedance" of 8 Ohms and a continuous IEC power rating of 350 watts will require an amplifier that can produce 700 watts into an 8 Ohm load. For a stereo pair of speakers, the amplifier should be rated at 700 watts per channel into 8 Ohms. A quality professional loudspeaker can handle transient peaks in excess of its rated power if the amplifier can deliver those peaks without distortion."

"Using an amp with some extra "headroom" will help assure that only clean, undistorted power gets to your speakers. Some professional amplifiers are designed so they have additional headroom. These amps can cleanly reproduce transient peaks that exceed their rated power. In this case select a model with an output power rating equal to the continuous IEC power rating of the speaker. Consult the amplifier manufacturer or owner's manual to learn more."

"In some applications, such as critical listening in a studio environment, it is important to maintain peak transient capability. For these applications, use an amplifier that can deliver 6db (or four times as much) more power than the continuous IEC power rating."

"If budget restraints or legacy equipment force you to use an amplifier with less power, extreme care should be taken to see that the amplifier is not driven into clipping. It may surprise you to learn that low power can result in damage to your speaker or system. "

The important thing is that the speaker-amp match should be "ideal," that is, the operation of the amp is "cool" because of enough headroom, thus, avoiding distortion, which is the killer.  The on-going ideal match up is that the amp should be "about twice the power of the speaker."  You can go even go higher if you want to, as long as you do not go beyond the limit of what the speakers can handle, otherwise, you will go to a situation as described by the author of the article.

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« Reply #19 on: October 23, 2008, 11:13:10 AM »
Thanks for setting things straight, Mike.
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« Reply #20 on: October 23, 2008, 05:27:14 PM »
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« Reply #21 on: November 03, 2008, 10:23:29 PM »
balak ko gumawa ng ganitong thread buti may nakauna na.  buti dami talagang tumutulong sa mga newbie tulad namin dito sa music technology thread. nagreresearch din kasi ako ngayon tungkol sa Power Amp at speaker. balak ko mag power amp at two 250 watts speaker lang instead of a guitar amplifier.  may binili kasi akong sansamp gt2 at parating na siya sa 2nd week ng november(almost three months ako nagabang ng second hang gt2 sa classifieds pero mahal mga natitimingan ko parang presyong hongkong lang tapos yung iba naman luma na.), pag ok ang ganitong setup mag speaker na lang ako at hindi na ako bibili ng bagong guitar amp. parang gusto ko namang itry ganitong setup mukhang cheap pero malakas ang tunog ko.   salamat sa lahat.

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Re: please help me!!!!! RE: SPEAKER AND POWER AMPLIFIER.
« Reply #22 on: November 21, 2008, 07:45:44 PM »
tnx sa lahat ng nagbigay ng advise and comment....  :-D na aapply ko na sa mga projects and setup ko ung mga adise ninyo lahat.... tnx dn sa philmusic....

this thread educated me a lot...... :-D


Offline hyperwin

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Re: please help me!!!!! RE: SPEAKER AND POWER AMPLIFIER.
« Reply #23 on: May 02, 2009, 01:38:35 AM »
mga chong,  merong bang nagbbenta ng amps dito.. guitar and bass amps.. salamat!

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Re: please help me!!!!! RE: SPEAKER AND POWER AMPLIFIER.
« Reply #24 on: May 02, 2009, 03:18:23 AM »
mga chong,  merong bang nagbbenta ng amps dito.. guitar and bass amps.. salamat!
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