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Offline nicosci

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« on: May 17, 2006, 10:30:07 PM »
Hey (gear) guys and gals -

I thought it might be fun to post a little something regarding gear, specifically that endless hunt for our guitar tone. It’s as much of an obsession for me as it is for some of you, and I want to share a little of what I’ve learned over the past few years. I read through some of the posts in this part of the forum, and I can’t get over how much of a positive spin you’ve put on the guitar community. It’s has a tendency to be jaded, and I love to see that you’re getting happiness and fulfillment out of it and not frustration.

There are some misconceptions that seem to constantly perpetuate, and I want to try and bust one of them up right now. Oh, and it should be noted throughout that this all applies to my take on tone. If you like heavy metal, you’ll probably disagree with everything I have to say.

Distortion pedals – One thing to keep in mind with distortion – I should say overdrive pedals, so as to distinguish them from fuzz pedals, which is more of an effect unto itself - is that they’re really made to simulate overdriving an amp naturally. Vintage tube amps have a threshold where they break up past a certain volume. A distortion pedal is used to make that ‘break up sound’ happen at lower volumes, which is a reasonable expectation. You can’t turn a ‘65 Deluxe Reverb to ‘8’ in your bedroom without making a lot of people miserable. Stevie Ray Vaughan used an Ibanez Tube Screamer (TS-808), which in the 1980s was regarded as kind of a cheap pedal. Here’s the misconception; he didn’t really use that much distortion at all. He did when he was going for that Jimi sound, but listen to most any early SRV tune and you won’t hear as much break-up as you might think. I hear people all the time (I even remember hearing myself) who just dime the ‘drive knob’ and think the ‘volume’ is a master knob for it. It’s a concept known as “gain staging” - it has to do with the way that the volume of each part of your signal chain interacts with the next. The ‘volume’ knob of an 808 is the most important. That’s by definition, the overdrive part of it. The “overdrive” should be thought of as the “cheat” knob. Remember this – kicking on distortion should make your guitar louder, not quieter. Quiet sounding loud is just strange. Setting gain staging will make sure that when you kick the pedal on, your guitar signal will get appropriately louder. Again – Stevie Ray used so much less distortion than you can possibly imagine. He was loud, and the way it hit the tape (and your ear) made that sound. I use a vintage 808, which has some properties that I like, but it is by no means the holy grail of tone. It has it’s place, though. Everything does. Just remember that turning that “cheat” knob too high also cheats you of the natural tonal characteristics of your guitar. Do work that volume knob, though.
So what if you don’t have the 600 bucks for an 808? Don’t even worry about it. There are so many pedals designed to emulate it, it’s not even funny. Purists want the original 808 because of some fairly esoteric microchip differences. The Voodoo Labs Sparkle Drive is somewhat close, (and dirt cheap!) but it can also have a really harsh high end. (What’s in a name, right?) I think the Fulltone Fulldrive 2 is a FANTASTIC update on the 808. The Keeley-modded TS-808 reissue is very close to an 808. These pedals are what I call “paint chip” close. If you didn’t have an original 808 to A/B with, you wouldn’t know what you were missing. If you’re looking for a good “edgey” tone, check out the Marshall Bluesbreaker pedal from the early ‘90s. Not the BB-2 (bad), but the original. It’s a great beefy sound that colors strat pickups in a really interesting way. The tone knob is like a “B.B.” dial. If you feel like your guitar just won’t cut it in the mix with your band, but you don’t necessarily want more overdrive, check out the Fulltone Fat-Boost, or the Keeley Katana. Kick it on for a solo, and it’s like having your own personal mixing engineer ride your fader. I use a Keeley-modded Boss BD-2 pedal as well. It’s got it’s own thing going on, and I like it. So many pedals are cool, and most every one has a place for something. It’s fun to listen to a pedal and then play to it’s strengths.
Oh, here’s another misconception: True bypass is all-around better than buffered (regular) bypass. Not so. Think of your guitar cable as a hose, and your guitar only pushes a certain amount of water pressure out of it. After a certain length, you’re going to need some more pressure to squeeze the water out. True-bypass takes the “in” and “out” cables of a pedal and connects them as if they were one long hose. After a certain length, you’ll get some pretty hefty tone loss. I learned this when I unplugged my guitar from my pedal switcher and went straight into the amp. Guitar pedals without the TB serve as a buffer for the signal, and naturally keep that water flow going. Yes, sometimes the trade-off can be harsh; some pedals, while buffering your signal, can also adversely color it, even when in bypass mode. That’s a good time to think TB. True bypass is a concept that only really took off as a selling point over the last 5 years or so. It won’t kill you to have it, but it certainly isn’t the only reason to get a pedal over another one without it.

I Hope that helps you out a little bit. There are so many other things I want to share with you, where to put your money, where to save it... Maybe I’ll get to it all over time. I can’t think of anything more exciting than tone hunting, and I hope you can’t either.

PLAY ON

JM

(01.27.05)

See John's guitars and gears with individual information and pictures at:
http://www.primer-amor.org/jmgear/index.php





















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« Reply #1 on: May 17, 2006, 10:35:15 PM »
i actually saw john mayer play chicago blues at an episode of conan o'brien, putcha, ang lupit! his playing and style was totally different from his acoustic days!

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« Reply #2 on: May 17, 2006, 10:37:59 PM »
Yeah, He said hes done with acoustic guitars. His new songs are mostly electric works. Hes obviously influenced by Jimi and Stevie Ray Vaughan but he said he was a huge consumer of pop as a child. Theres much to hear from him.
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« Reply #3 on: May 17, 2006, 10:45:39 PM »
actually i've liked john mayer's music ever since. if you'll see my guitar colection, i had acoustics muna, then ngayon strats, hehe.

pero i like him more now na nag-blues na sha, veered away from the mainstream, hehe.

i saw in youtube, he played "sweet home chicago" with the max weinberg 7. lupet!!!

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« Reply #4 on: May 17, 2006, 10:56:21 PM »
MAN! GREAT GREAT POST! :) astig, dami kong natutunan :)


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« Reply #5 on: May 17, 2006, 11:02:46 PM »
2 delay pedals :shock: AQUA PUSS :shock:
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« Reply #6 on: May 18, 2006, 02:07:37 AM »
I'm also a great John Mayer fan. Ayus itong post mo sir. Keep 'em coming!
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« Reply #7 on: May 18, 2006, 02:53:27 AM »
Thanks for sharing man.  :D
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« Reply #8 on: May 18, 2006, 08:45:10 AM »
for me ok lang si john mayer..gusto ko rin yung room for squares na album..

kaya lang parang ngayon kasi , he's trying real hard to get respect for the big guys.. "blues guys" i read somewhere that he mocked buddy guy in the crossroad concert i think last yr. well, even the writer dont know if it was an act or kung totoo... but that sure put a lot of questions.. i mean dont do that to a "LEGEND"

hehehe google nyo na lang..
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« Reply #9 on: May 18, 2006, 09:03:52 AM »
Quote from: dantuts
for me ok lang si john mayer..gusto ko rin yung room for squares na album..

kaya lang parang ngayon kasi , he's trying real hard to get respect for the big guys.. "blues guys" i read somewhere that he mocked buddy guy in the crossroad concert i think last yr. well, even the writer dont know if it was an act or kung totoo... but that sure put a lot of questions.. i mean dont do that to a "LEGEND"

hehehe google nyo na lang..


+.... 1 this is what i don't like about him. parang TH maging bluesman. pero what's weird is that he still uses that pop/girly voice he's famous for altho iba ang natural speaking voice nya.

but he seems to be evolving as a person and as a musician. no doubt, he's a great gtrst w/ great tone.  he can already run circles around guys like clapton... down the road baka he might be the next SRV?!

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« Reply #10 on: May 18, 2006, 09:17:43 AM »
Quote from: deltaslim
+.... 1 this is what i don't like about him. parang TH maging bluesman. pero what's weird is that he still uses that pop/girly voice he's famous for altho iba ang natural speaking voice nya.

but he seems to be evolving as a person and as a musician. no doubt, he's a great gtrst w/ great tone.  he can already run circles around guys like clapton... down the road baka he might be the next SRV?!

he's an awesome player for sure pero all his "i'm going to make blues popular" talk sounds a bit too egotistical to me. someone needs to tell him "dude, you dont have to."

otoh, he sure has the blues guitar face down. nakakangawit pala yun.

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« Reply #11 on: May 18, 2006, 09:21:17 AM »
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he can already run circles around guys like clapton... down the road baka he might be the next SRV?!


even us can run circles with clapton, even you !!  :lol:

mukhang ganun nga yung gusto nyang mangyari.  :lol:
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« Reply #12 on: May 18, 2006, 11:08:37 AM »
As a teenager I am right now, I have not much to knowledge to share you guys. In fact i posted this so you can elaborate things clearer to me. So thanks. Heheh.

Pero I think I knew what John was talking about before he posted that commentary. Pag nag jajamming kami or gigs ng band, pag nalalakasan sila sa guitar nila, hinihinaan nila ng todo sa volume knob ng guitar, or hindi nila matodo young kanilang overdirve at distortion dahil di sila aware na ung signal ng guitar ung ibinababa nila. Well ito lang ung experience ko. Right now I'm hunting for that SRV tone and I'm actually getting it. Not sure tho pano sa live performances.
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« Reply #13 on: May 18, 2006, 11:25:59 AM »
wow! JM.....Lupit!  :shock:
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« Reply #14 on: May 18, 2006, 11:51:32 AM »
for the total SRV tone...

wear a hat...

and weird blouses and scarves...

hehe.


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« Reply #15 on: May 18, 2006, 01:06:36 PM »
Hahah, may pahabol pang picture heheh. Diba ganyan din porma ni Jimi Hendrix...

Try nyo to sa gigs, bka makilala kau...

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« Reply #16 on: February 24, 2008, 10:48:51 PM »
lets bring this back... very informative indeed!!

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« Reply #17 on: February 24, 2008, 11:59:50 PM »
wow, good stuff. :-)

i have to admit, john mayer's wind cries mary and lenny was the first ever blues i learned. after that i started listening to jimi hendrix & srv because they were the originals. come to think of it, if I didn't hear john mayer, i'd still be metal by now. hmm...

...i just realized i actually owe most of my playing style to john mayer. it's been a while since i listened to him though... gotta learn those new songs on his new album. thank god for john mayer. :-)

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« Reply #18 on: February 25, 2008, 09:09:54 AM »
wow, good stuff. :-)

i have to admit, john mayer's wind cries mary and lenny was the first ever blues i learned. after that i started listening to jimi hendrix & srv because they were the originals. come to think of it, if I didn't hear john mayer, i'd still be metal by now. hmm...

...i just realized i actually owe most of my playing style to john mayer. it's been a while since i listened to him though... gotta learn those new songs on his new album. thank god for john mayer. :-)


yo! we had the same experience pala,  JM is a really big influence to me, as in. dati puro mga metal, prog, vai... satch ang pinapakinggan ko and i thought they're better than SRV Jimi, kasi ang linis nila tumugtog, pero siguro bata pa ko nun..

When I heard JM for the first time na maglead, panalo talaga! Then nagsimula ko na huntingin yung mga blues masters, sila SRV then Jimi, hanggang kila Muddy Waters and more. So para sa akin totoo yung sinasabi ni Mayer na he's going to make blues famous, sa experience ko. Hehe.

Pero tama nga na egoistic yung statement na yun.

Thanks nico sci.


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« Reply #19 on: February 25, 2008, 02:23:03 PM »
that makes us three! it all started way back in the mid 90's, my appreciation for clapton and hendrix (a little SRV) started. but when i heard this guy a few years ago, it made me look at the blues on a different perspective, and now, how i wish i can play like this kid...

now, i got a pic of his pedal-board. i wanted to use the same pedals (with a little fusion of mine), but dunno if i can still get these..







T.Rex delay, boss tuner, ibansez ts808, boss blues driver, keeley katana, some type of wah and a green pedal. On a pedal train with a dunlop brick.



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« Reply #20 on: February 25, 2008, 07:25:39 PM »
haha... eh san na man makakabili ng ganyang hat?

nice post sir.. i do the volume thingy more than dialing up the gain to 5o'clock..(kaya ito medyo bingi na) i cant do that in my room tho..hehe.

wow. ayun ang pics.. :-D
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« Reply #21 on: February 25, 2008, 10:07:59 PM »
that makes us three! it all started way back in the mid 90's, my appreciation for clapton and hendrix (a little SRV) started. but when i heard this guy a few years ago, it made me look at the blues on a different perspective, and now, how i wish i can play like this kid...

now, i got a pic of his pedal-board. i wanted to use the same pedals (with a little fusion of mine), but dunno if i can still get these..







T.Rex delay, boss tuner, ibansez ts808, boss blues driver, keeley katana, some type of wah and a green pedal. On a pedal train with a dunlop brick.





nice pics you got there. wala pala siyang compressor. di ko pa nasusubukan BD-2.. sabi nila maganda daw..

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« Reply #22 on: February 25, 2008, 10:39:36 PM »
nice pics you got there. wala pala siyang compressor. di ko pa nasusubukan BD-2.. sabi nila maganda daw..

i have and it was ok. i just wanted an Overdriven sound that's why i got and SD-1 and had it modded.. also an MT-2 modded.

pero given a chance, i wanna try Mayer's set-up. of course with my pedals too... hehehee..