"now thats the forefathers of metal... if any1 says that they're awesome because of ozzy, im gona kick their ass."
"hell yea, black sabbath are the greatest. and i agree to that statement also that black sabbath isnt great because of OZZY. ozzy would have been no one without black sabbath... ozzy did [gooey brown stuff], thats why he got kicked out, from what i heard. "
>>> first of, OZZY has to be among the greatest and best songwriters there is... just read his lyrics if you can't stand his singing... most of black sabbath's songs were by OZZY... and he didn't get kicked out because he suck... it's because of substance abuse and he was going crazy from the death of his father...
secondly, black sabbath was going downhill when ozzy got booted out despite ronnie james dio (i like the guy and vivian campbell too) being a far superior vocalist (yes, better throat, not the better songwriter).
third, ozzy bounced back with randy rhoads and has been and still is kicking ass today with zakk wylde!
i just wanna set the facts straight.
i love iommi... he's one riff meister... geezer butler and bill ward are like john paul jones and john bonham... but black sabbath is not black sabbath without ozzy!
think about a scenario:
on one stage ozzy and zakk wylde...
and on another,
"black sabbath" with ronnie james dio...
who do you think would kick more asses?
oh, by the way, led zeppelin was "labeled" metal before sabbat came along