"magpapagawa ako ng Dumble clone..."

[glassjaw_jc]

clone yung pinapagawa.. hindi "dumble".. only dumble can make a dumble. whether the result cops the characteristics of an actual dumble is besides the point. when you are asking for a clone, you are asking for an approximation of the original. since it's an approximation, the result will most likely not be equal to the original.. if it is, then it's your lucky day!

assuming schematics was verified to be from a dumble amp, and you follow the schematic down to the last value, the result should not be that far off. you cannot clone a fender with the sound of a boogie. electronics is more science than art. magkakatalo na lang sa tolerance level nung mga parts na ginamit.

the purpose of having a clone built is for the end user to have an idea and experience what the original may sound or look like, then use it for whatever purpose he deemed right.. if i'm asking for a perfect result, i'd hunt down dumble (if he's still alive) and have him build me one of his amps at gun point.. i'll pay after  

kung ang dahilan lang ng builder kung baket ayaw nya gawin yung clone eh dahil di pa nakakaexperience ng original dumble yung kliyente, eh sinasabi nya na dapat di gumagawa ng clone coz it's highly probable na yung bumibili ng clone eh di pa nakakaexperience ng orig.

for me the reasoning is bullcrap

[skunkyfunk]

clone yung pinapagawa.. hindi "dumble".. only dumble can make a dumble. whether the result cops the characteristics of an actual dumble is besides the point. when you are asking for a clone, you are asking for an approximation of the original. since it's an approximation, the result will most likely not be equal to the original.. if it is, then it's your lucky day!

assuming schematics was verified to be from a dumble amp, and you follow the schematic down to the last value, the result should not be that far off. you cannot clone a fender with the sound of a boogie. electronics is more science than art. magkakatalo na lang sa tolerance level nung mga parts na ginamit.

the purpose of having a clone built is for the end user to have an idea and experience what the original may sound or look like, then use it for whatever purpose he deemed right.. if i'm asking for a perfect result, i'd hunt down dumble (if he's still alive) and have him build me one of his amps at gun point.. i'll pay after  

kung ang dahilan lang ng builder kung baket ayaw nya gawin yung clone eh dahil di pa nakakaexperience ng original dumble yung kliyente, eh sinasabi nya na dapat di gumagawa ng clone coz it's highly probable na yung bumibili ng clone eh di pa nakakaexperience ng orig.

for me the reasoning is bullcrap

I think the builder is not nuts to think his client has ever plugged to a Dumble.  Heck, even a lot of Americans in America have not yet plugged to a Dumble. 

When the builder talked to me about it, he was more into the logic of why would one want a Dumble if he has no idea (literally no idea) about how it is supposed to sound?  The guy also has also analyzed several Dumble clones, including Brunos, and he even mentioned that he was dumbfounded when the circuit of the Brunos were far from special. And why the $5000 tag? 

[changedmynametojimi]

clone yung pinapagawa.. hindi "dumble".. only dumble can make a dumble. whether the result cops the characteristics of an actual dumble is besides the point. when you are asking for a clone, you are asking for an approximation of the original. since it's an approximation, the result will most likely not be equal to the original.. if it is, then it's your lucky day!

assuming schematics was verified to be from a dumble amp, and you follow the schematic down to the last value, the result should not be that far off. you cannot clone a fender with the sound of a boogie. electronics is more science than art. magkakatalo na lang sa tolerance level nung mga parts na ginamit.

the purpose of having a clone built is for the end user to have an idea and experience what the original may sound or look like, then use it for whatever purpose he deemed right.. if i'm asking for a perfect result, i'd hunt down dumble (if he's still alive) and have him build me one of his amps at gun point.. i'll pay after  

kung ang dahilan lang ng builder kung baket ayaw nya gawin yung clone eh dahil di pa nakakaexperience ng original dumble yung kliyente, eh sinasabi nya na dapat di gumagawa ng clone coz it's highly probable na yung bumibili ng clone eh di pa nakakaexperience ng orig.

for me the reasoning is bullcrap

i agree as well, lots of question or inquiries he could've asked.  smart mouth ah, well thats just my opinion, parang labo kasi non sabi niya, or he is just not up to the task

[skunkyfunk]

i agree as well, lots of question or inquiries he could've asked.  smart mouth ah, well thats just my opinion, parang labo kasi non sabi niya, or he is just not up to the task

Now this I can assure is a false assumption.

[Decay. Sustain. Release.]

"kung gusto, maraming paraan.. kung ayaw.. maraming dahilan"

[glassjaw_jc]

When the builder talked to me about it, he was more into the logic of why would one want a Dumble if he has no idea (literally no idea) about how it is supposed to sound? 

so why are you asking him to build you a clone?

The guy also has also analyzed several Dumble clones, including Brunos, and he even mentioned that he was dumbfounded when the circuit of the Brunos were far from special. And why the $5000 tag? 

i've been wondering about the same thing about all those boutique stuff. only reason i could think off is exclusivity.

[boogsy]

I'm sure the builder's intentions were noble. I salute him for not pulling the trigger agad even if it means na kikita siya. I guess masama lang talaga dating nung sagot niya sa marami dito (including me). Like I said, some of us here order pedals without hearing them in person because we have no other choice but we are aware of the risks. Seems like the customer isnt, and its the builder's responsibility to inform him.

[toybitz]

what if the buyer, wanted to hear how a dumble sounds like?

[skunkyfunk]

so why are you asking him to build you a clone?

i've been wondering about the same thing about all those boutique stuff. only reason i could think off is exclusivity.

No I didn't ask him.  He just told me a story about another client.

[boogsy]

what if the buyer, wanted to hear how a dumble sounds like?

or at least an approximation, so he could see for himself what everyone is raving about. Yun nga lang, sana magresearch muna siya bago siya magpabuild agad.

[glassjaw_jc]

ah i see... we'll if i were the builder, i'd just set expectations and educate the client as much as i can para lang walang sisihan.. normal lang naman yun eh..

[skunkyfunk]

"kung gusto, maraming paraan.. kung ayaw.. maraming dahilan"

Put it this way man.  gagastos ang client.  Ano ba yung gusto ng client?  Dambol ba?  Siguro.  Eh alam ba niya ang tunog ng Dambol?  Hindi.

Logical yung Dahilan na iyon ng builder.

[changedmynametojimi]

Now this I can assure is a false assumption.

could be, but his reasoning or answer is out of line, kung di niya trip dumble, he could've said "hmmm di pa ako nakagawa non, dami kasi tone na sinasabi na dumble daw eh, which dumble tone ba trip mo? carlton, ford, etc., blah blah blah, pwede kasi lahat naman etc.,,"

"kung gusto, maraming paraan.. kung ayaw.. maraming dahilan"

mismo.....kasi pag ganito kalaki un task at hand, its make or break, career defining kumbaga, either ikaw un naka clone or dagdag ka sa statistic ng mga nagfail  

[changedmynametojimi]

ah i see... we'll if i were the builder, i'd just set expectations and educate the client as much as i can para lang walang sisihan.. normal lang naman yun eh..

ito siguro un point or dapat tinakbo ng usapan.

[Phil]

whats stopping this person from ordering a cheap ceriatone kit? they have ODS model....Dambol clone.

[skunkyfunk]

whats stopping this person from ordering a cheap ceriatone kit? they have ODS model....Dambol clone.

Ceriatone Overtone is still ekspensib por us Pinoys.

[boogsy]

whats stopping this person from ordering a cheap ceriatone kit? they have ODS model....Dambol clone.

The Philippine Bureau of Customs. Kidding.

[Jaco D]

Kung walang prinsipyo yung amp builder, hindi ba parang "the emperor's new clothes" ito?

[boogsy]

Kung walang prinsipyo yung amp builder, hindi ba parang "the emperor's new clothes" ito?

Only if the customer pursues it and pretends to like it kahit masama tunog.

[itchybrain]

Put it this way man.  gagastos ang client.  Ano ba yung gusto ng client?  Dambol ba?  Siguro.  Eh alam ba niya ang tunog ng Dambol?  Hindi.

Logical yung Dahilan na iyon ng builder.

Nabanggit ba ng nag-kwento sa iyo  kung merong Schematics ang CLIENT?

[paul_sigua]

OT:

skunkyfunk, magkano magpagawa sa kanya ng dumble clone?

[dantuts]

if i got the original schematics , and parts for the amp ..
pagagawa ko na ...hindi naman sya siguro gagamit ng fender BD na schematics kung magpapagawa ka ng "dumble" clone..

pagawa mo na skunk for the meantime, you'll eventually get a real Dumble in the future anyway.

[spankyrigor]

To know about Dumbles is to know the whole story about them and the mystique that it holds to a lot of people.

Mahabang istorya yan. you only have to do a search on the word "Dumble" on www.thegearpage.net to come up with tons of threads about it, each 100++ pages long.

Long story short, on side you have the select few who can afford and actually own one (Howard has to actually WANT to make one for you btw, and it can take YEARS for him to finish an amp). On the other side you have people who can only afford the clones (Carol Ann, Fuchs, Bruno, Two Rock etc), and claim that they have THE Dumble tone for less dollars. kARAMIHAN SA MGA YUN HINDI PA NAKAGAMIT NG TUTUONG DUMBLE, so paano nila nalaman na magkatunog nga?  

Truth is, no two Dumble amps sound the same. One schematic is no guarantee that you get the sound of Larry Carlton or Robben Ford or Carlos Santana, all of which sound drastically different. Howard Dumble tunes his amps according to the player.

[dantuts]

well.. you do have a point.

[spankyrigor]

If you guys do a google search you'll find out that this whole topic of Dumble Amps have regressed to that of a joke at some extremes.

I assure you, if it were some other brand, iba ang takbo ng usapan.