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Title: all about RUDIMENTS thread
Post by: xenon on August 31, 2006, 09:51:28 PM

ano po un paradiddle?? d po kasi sinasabi ng instructor ko ung mga terms n gnyan eh hehehehe.........

Title: Paradiddle
Post by: jun_BALARAW on August 31, 2006, 09:59:47 PM

LRLLRLRR

RLRRLRLL

 :wink:

Title: Paradiddle
Post by: manson on August 31, 2006, 11:03:51 PM

its basically a combination of single and double strokes. :D

Title: Paradiddle
Post by: drumster on August 31, 2006, 11:43:24 PM

PARADIDDLES :

Single Paradiddle:
RLRR LRLL

Reverse Paradiddle:
RRLR LLRL

Inward Paradiddle:
RLLR LRRL

Outward Paradiddle:
RLRL LRLR

Double Paradiddle:
RLRLRR LRLRLL

Triple Paradiddle:
RLRLRLRR LRLRLRLL


When in doubt, there's always Wikipedia...  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradiddle .
 8)

Title: Paradiddle
Post by: pmack on September 01, 2006, 09:43:55 AM

paborito ko DOUBLE PARADIDDLE.
hehehe.
sarap tugtugin using the whole kit (toms and bass not only snare)
ang dali pa ipasok sa tugtugan.

Title: Paradiddle
Post by: marko21 on September 01, 2006, 05:50:35 PM

pede po ba gawa kayo ng thread ng mga drum terms? para help sa mga newbies..  :lol:

Title: all about RUDIMENTS thread
Post by: drummer_boy17 on September 10, 2006, 04:50:45 PM

Marunong ba kayo mag rudiments?.. ako, oo... natututo lang ako mag rudiments sa mga drummer websites tapos inapply ko nalang sa totoong drumset...

Title: Expanding Rudiments? =>
Post by: drummerboy827 on September 10, 2006, 06:16:14 PM

paradiddle, double paradiddle, double stroke, single drag, flam, nagimbento nga ako LRRL RLLR

Title: Expanding Rudiments? =>
Post by: daemonite on September 10, 2006, 06:32:48 PM

panoorin niyo yung instructional vid ni dave weckl "back to basics" andun mga yan. dun nga rin ako kumuha ng pointers ko eh.

Title: Expanding Rudiments? =>
Post by: intake on September 10, 2006, 08:31:16 PM

dami nyan sa net...pwede ka rin gumawa ng sarili mo
may ginagawa ako dati...paradiddle tapos doubled paradiddle tapos triple paradiddle

LRLL RLRR LRLR LLRL RLRR LRLR LRLL RLRL RLRR

paulit ulit lang yan

Title: Expanding Rudiments? =>
Post by: pmack on September 10, 2006, 08:45:14 PM

Quote from: daemonite

panoorin niyo yung instructional vid ni dave weckl "back to basics" andun mga yan. dun nga rin ako kumuha ng pointers ko eh.

oo, ayos nga yung video ni weckl..
informative.....

Title: Expanding Rudiments? =>
Post by: legnacilyz on September 11, 2006, 09:21:03 AM

masarap pag aralan rudiments ni Steve Gadd.. the groove it makes when you spread it around the kit!

cheers!!!

Title: Expanding Rudiments? =>
Post by: Gep on September 11, 2006, 12:20:35 PM

Gusto ko maayos yung flam rolls ko, tulad nung kay sir Franklin!

Title: Downloading the Vicfirth.com rudiments videos
Post by: Gep on January 17, 2007, 08:37:17 PM

Hindi ko maalala kung nag-post na ako ng ganitong thread dati. Pero bahala na.
Right click, tapos "Save Target As...".
Download niyo, tapos ilipat niyo sa mp4 player niyo. Pwede na kahit saan ang practice! Hehehe.

http://www.vicfirth.com/education/rudiments/rudimentvideo/singlestrokeroll.mov
http://www.vicfirth.com/education/rudiments/rudimentvideo/singlestroke4.mov
http://www.vicfirth.com/education/rudiments/rudimentvideo/singlestroke7.mov
http://www.vicfirth.com/education/rudiments/rudimentvideo/triplestrokeroll.mov
http://www.vicfirth.com/education/rudiments/rudimentvideo/longroll.mov
http://www.vicfirth.com/education/rudiments/rudimentvideo/5strokeroll.mov
http://www.vicfirth.com/education/rudiments/rudimentvideo/6strokeroll.mov
http://www.vicfirth.com/education/rudiments/rudimentvideo/7strokeroll.mov
http://www.vicfirth.com/education/rudiments/rudimentvideo/9strokeroll.mov
http://www.vicfirth.com/education/rudiments/rudimentvideo/13strokeroll.mov
http://www.vicfirth.com/education/rudiments/rudimentvideo/15strokeroll.mov
http://www.vicfirth.com/education/rudiments/rudimentvideo/flam.mov
http://www.vicfirth.com/education/rudiments/rudimentvideo/flamaccent.mov
http://www.vicfirth.com/education/rudiments/rudimentvideo/flamtap.mov
http://www.vicfirth.com/education/rudiments/rudimentvideo/flamacue.mov
http://www.vicfirth.com/education/rudiments/rudimentvideo/flamadiddle.mov
http://www.vicfirth.com/education/rudiments/rudimentvideo/flammedmill.mov
http://www.vicfirth.com/education/rudiments/rudimentvideo/flamadiddle-diddle.mov
http://www.vicfirth.com/education/rudiments/rudimentvideo/patafla-fla.mov
http://www.vicfirth.com/education/rudiments/rudimentvideo/invertedflamtap.mov
http://www.vicfirth.com/education/rudiments/rudimentvideo/flamdrag.mov
http://www.vicfirth.com/education/rudiments/rudimentvideo/paradiddle.mov
http://www.vicfirth.com/education/rudiments/rudimentvideo/dblparadiddle.mov
http://www.vicfirth.com/education/rudiments/rudimentvideo/paradiddle-diddle.mov
http://www.vicfirth.com/education/rudiments/rudimentvideo/ruff.mov
http://www.vicfirth.com/education/rudiments/rudimentvideo/singledrag.mov
http://www.vicfirth.com/education/rudiments/rudimentvideo/doubledrag.mov
http://www.vicfirth.com/education/rudiments/rudimentvideo/lesson25.mov
http://www.vicfirth.com/education/rudiments/rudimentvideo/dragadiddle.mov
http://www.vicfirth.com/education/rudiments/rudimentvideo/ratamacue.mov
http://www.vicfirth.com/education/rudiments/rudimentvideo/dblratamacue.mov
http://www.vicfirth.com/education/rudiments/rudimentvideo/tripleratamacue.mov

Title: Re: Downloading the Vicfirth.com rudiments videos
Post by: daemonite on January 17, 2007, 09:43:30 PM

wow dami nyan dude, ehehheeh....

Title: Re: Downloading the Vicfirth.com rudiments videos
Post by: g0d5_g1ft on January 17, 2007, 10:37:38 PM

ok to gep...nice to have all of them in one place (page) para madali i download... pero ang bagal ng net ngayon nakakabuwiset, download ko parin lahat hehehe

Title: Re: Downloading the Vicfirth.com rudiments videos
Post by: jpmb on January 18, 2007, 09:21:46 AM

thanks for posting the links gep :wink:

Title: Re: Downloading the Vicfirth.com rudiments videos
Post by: Chopstix on January 18, 2007, 11:14:01 AM

ang galing mo gep!! :-) matagal ko na gusto madownload to pero nakakatamad ng isa isa puntahan yung mga page.

right click na lang sa bawat link na binigay mo.

salamat!!!  :mrgreen:

Title: Re: Downloading the Vicfirth.com rudiments videos
Post by: drumster on January 18, 2007, 02:52:29 PM

Yan ang masipag na drummer...  Does his homework and research.  :wink:

Thanks for the links, Gep!

Title: Re: Downloading the Vicfirth.com rudiments videos
Post by: malambeng25 on January 18, 2007, 10:40:18 PM

gep, dahil sa gnawa mong ito... :roll:

i lab u pare!!! :wink:

Title: Re: all about RUDIMENTS thread
Post by: vdonati_fan on February 15, 2007, 02:34:58 PM

all i can say is...it's very helpful!!!

Title: Re: all about RUDIMENTS thread
Post by: jpmb on February 15, 2007, 02:44:12 PM

well i remember during my younger years..palagi ako tinatamad practicin mga rudiments..kasi gusto ko hataw kaagad sa drumset hahaha...now i know the importance of this rudiments and ang sarap pag in-apply mo na sa set...kaya i always practice this daily...actually may practice pad palagi ako na dala everyday sa office hehehe...pampatangal ng stress na din :mrgreen:

Title: Re: all about RUDIMENTS thread
Post by: vdonati_fan on February 15, 2007, 03:13:26 PM

I saw this old video of Steve Gadd...he was demonstrating a rudiment.... R L L R R L  - R L L R R L 

i forget the name of that rudiment...tapos madami pa syang pinakita but this rudiment struct me kasi ang sarap pakinggan sa hats at pag-ina-apply sa set...

idol ko din talaga si Steve Gadd - "50 Ways to Leave Your Lover"...

Title: Re: all about RUDIMENTS thread
Post by: intake on February 15, 2007, 08:47:43 PM

Quote from: vdonati_fan on February 15, 2007, 03:13:26 PM

I saw this old video of Steve Gadd...he was demonstrating a rudiment.... R L L R R L  - R L L R R L 

i forget the name of that rudiment...tapos madami pa syang pinakita but this rudiment struct me kasi ang sarap pakinggan sa hats at pag-ina-apply sa set...

idol ko din talaga si Steve Gadd - "50 Ways to Leave Your Lover"...

yung paradiddle-diddle ata yung sinasabi mo kuya  :-D

Title: Re: all about RUDIMENTS thread
Post by: Bammbamm on February 15, 2007, 09:14:19 PM

AYAN! Magandang topic yan sa susunod na eb! Sharing ng iba't-ibang versions ng paradiddles at applications sa drumkit :mrgreen:

Title: Re: all about RUDIMENTS thread
Post by: vdonati_fan on February 16, 2007, 10:12:34 AM

Quote from: Bammbamm on February 15, 2007, 09:14:19 PM

AYAN! Magandang topic yan sa susunod na eb! Sharing ng iba't-ibang versions ng paradiddles at applications sa drumkit :mrgreen:

Tama! kasi very basic yet mahirap sya dba? very essential pa sya....fundamentals nga...

Title: Re: all about RUDIMENTS thread
Post by: lovecore on February 21, 2007, 08:06:56 AM

salamat sa link Gep. time to get on with my rudiments hehehe  :-D

Title: Re: all about RUDIMENTS thread
Post by: starfugger on February 21, 2007, 08:56:13 AM

tumigil ako sa pagtatambol noon dahil naisip ko "i will never be an excellent drummer if i don't practice my rudiments." sadly, i found them boring.  PERO kung gusto mo maging super-drummer with special magical mystical powers, kailangan mo sila matutunan. 

haven't checked gep's post yet (i promise to be good this time, aaralin ko na) but in addition to the paradiddle eto yung mga naaalala ko (salamat B. Go):

single strokes - LRLR, RLRL
double strokes - LLRR, RRLL
accented triplets - LRLRLR AND VICE VERSA
isa pang klase ng triplets na di ko alam ang official name - LLR, RRL
isa pang triplets - LLL, RRR  useful yan sa samba :)
flam - LR and viceversa the two notes are executed very close to eachother, halos magkadikit.

there are also several ways of executing these rudiments:

the throw pull technique and wrist action. 

NEVER get addicted to the throw pull technique before developing your wrists.  the throw pull technique is great for ghost notes on the snare (and hats) but won't get u very far with toms.  kailangan sa toms mas malakas, use your wrists.

hope this helps.

Title: what is the most important stroke?
Post by: leira on March 20, 2007, 02:52:48 AM

maga master ano po b pinaka importante n stroke sa rudiments?

Title: Re: what is the most important stroke?
Post by: drumster on March 20, 2007, 05:30:42 AM

I believe every rudiment has its significance.

But just like what Master Mar taught me and most of his students, rudiments are essentially build out of three elements...  single strokes, double strokes, and flams.

 8-)

Title: Re: what is the most important stroke?
Post by: prjm14 on March 20, 2007, 06:01:56 AM

oh.. kasing-important din pala ng single stroke and double stroke ang flams.. hehe, kala ko ndi niya kalevel un.. hehe

Title: Re: what is the most important stroke?
Post by: intake on March 20, 2007, 09:02:58 AM

sakin single stroke ang importante...pano mo magagawa ang flam kung hindi ka makahampas mi isa?


diba?  :oops:

Title: Re: what is the most important stroke?
Post by: jpmb on March 20, 2007, 10:02:07 AM

Quote from: drumster on March 20, 2007, 05:30:42 AM

I believe every rudiment has its significance.

But just like what Master Mar taught me and most of his students, rudiments are essentially build out of three elements...  single strokes, double strokes, and flams.

 8-)

sensei anthony said it right...yes every rudiment is important..i suggest you check out dave weckl's back to basic instructional video also..he emphasized thre the importance of rudiments...and its application to the drumkit..cheers :wink:

Title: Re: what is the most important stroke?
Post by: Gep on March 20, 2007, 10:25:31 AM

Down stroke.  :evil:

Title: Re: what is the most important stroke?
Post by: peeves24 on March 20, 2007, 10:29:35 AM

what down stroke? you should work on your tiger's claw and praying mantis kung fu first  :-D

Title: Re: what is the most important stroke?
Post by: pmack on March 20, 2007, 03:09:48 PM

breast stroke...

hehehe..

but seriously, i think double strokes are important.
madali lang mag-single strokes eh yun ang unang natututunan pag nagsisimula magdrums. pero once you've mastered double strokes, a whole world of new ideas will come rushing at you so fast you won't know what to explore first!
hehehehe..

:-D

Title: Re: what is the most important stroke?
Post by: toybitz on March 20, 2007, 04:30:43 PM

probably the single strokes because it is the most commonly used rudiment.

then doubles, then flam, then buzz roll.

its helpful to learn paradidles, 5, 7, 9...aralin na lahat.  :-D

Title: Re: what is the most important stroke?
Post by: daemonite on March 20, 2007, 08:33:10 PM

Quote from: jpmb on March 20, 2007, 10:02:07 AM

Quote from: drumster on March 20, 2007, 05:30:42 AM

I believe every rudiment has its significance.

But just like what Master Mar taught me and most of his students, rudiments are essentially build out of three elements...  single strokes, double strokes, and flams.

 8-)

sensei anthony said it right...yes every rudiment is important..i suggest you check out dave weckl's back to basic instructional video also..he emphasized thre the importance of rudiments...and its application to the drumkit..cheers :wink:

Yup, malaking pagbabago ang nangyari simula nung napanood ko yun. Malaking improvement sa rudiments and a new insight on drumming. I'm still figuring out kung pano translate sa brush though hehe....

Title: Re: what is the most important stroke?
Post by: drumster on March 21, 2007, 01:35:22 AM

Quote from: daemonite on March 20, 2007, 08:33:10 PM

I'm still figuring out kung pano translate sa brush though hehe....

OT...

Need to brush up your brush technique?  Hehe...  Go to the great brush master Clayton Cameron's website --- http://www.claytoncameron.com/ .  Check out the videos of his brush rudiments.

Here's another helpful brush link --- http://www.musiciansarchive.com/articles/drums/techniques/drums_techniques_brushes.htm .

 :wink:

Title: Re: what is the most important stroke?
Post by: Gep on March 21, 2007, 11:13:16 AM

Para sakin, double strokes din, kasi pinapakawalan niya ang kamay mo para maasikaso ang ibang bahagi ng drums. Parang the next level to.

Title: Re: what is the most important stroke?
Post by: aya_yuson on March 21, 2007, 11:16:07 AM

Sakin breast stroke.

Sarap pa gawin.  :-D :-P :-D

Title: Re: what is the most important stroke?
Post by: Bammbamm on March 21, 2007, 01:03:44 PM

I use paradiddles most of the time, iba-ibang accent at version nga lang. Bale kasi combination sya ng single at double stroke,tapos flam paradiddle at buzz rolls.

Title: how do you practice rudiments?
Post by: manson on March 28, 2007, 11:15:27 PM

Ya we know doubles are RR LL. but how are you suppose to practice them?
set the metronome to a certain BPM and then just play doubles till your hand gets sore? or mix them up with singles?

How do you guys practice them? :-D

Title: Re: how do you practice rudiments?
Post by: jpmb on March 29, 2007, 08:59:31 AM

hmmm..nice question manson...how do i practice a certain rudiment..

if you are an office working drummer..try to practice it during your breaktime, idle time or whnever your boss is not around..hahaha..thats why i always have my practice pad with me..of course practice it with a metronome..drums is instinct and you can feel it yourself if you can speed it up...

start with the right hand then sometimes start with the left hand to make it equal and balance..if you are comfortable already then try to aplly it on the drumset..man whenever i watch wwe or nba i alwys have a drumsticks with me a play rudiments while watching..hahaha..cheers manson...dont forget to teach me those jazz lessons you took..hehehe :wink:

Title: Re: how do you practice rudiments?
Post by: palolo_worm on March 29, 2007, 01:08:09 PM

its good to know all rudiments by heart. set the metronome at a comfortable speed then play. tapos try to set it at a tempo below that. better yet, try sa different markings ng metro. and don't play until your hands are sore. :-D sakit un. stop at the first signs of tension, go back sa metro and start again. maganda rin to play along sa mga music tracks, or sing while playing.  :-D

Title: Re: how do you practice rudiments?
Post by: Bammbamm on March 29, 2007, 05:11:36 PM

I always start playing very slowly, then gradually increase the speed, and go back slowly again, or play single strokes that sounds like paradiddles,and paradiddles with different accents.

Title: Re: how do you practice rudiments?
Post by: manson on March 29, 2007, 06:24:02 PM

ya what i do in the office is while im sitting i do paradiddles with my feet. Hehe. just to keep me occupied.. try typing while doing rudiments with your feet, its trippy. :-)
even on the MRT, I do feet exercises.

I like practicing to music also, feels good.

Title: Re: how do you practice rudiments?
Post by: jpmb on March 29, 2007, 06:30:37 PM

just dont practice it when you're on a date..hahaha :wink:..my ex hates me for that hehehehe :wink:...cheers

Title: Re: how do you practice rudiments?
Post by: manson on March 29, 2007, 06:44:33 PM

HAHAHA... I used to do that. :-D

Title: Re: how do you practice rudiments?
Post by: autoexec on March 30, 2007, 12:40:54 AM

Quote from: manson on March 29, 2007, 06:24:02 PM

even on the MRT, I do feet exercises.

Hehehe ako naman sa lrt-2 pag papasok sa skul. :D

Kahit nakatayo pa ako at hindi nakahawak sa "saftey hand rails" :lol: :lol:

Title: Re: how do you practice rudiments?
Post by: drummer_boy17 on March 30, 2007, 01:02:40 PM

pag nasa school ako i do paradiddles with my feet.. kahit ballpen pinag titiyagaan ko nalng basta mkapag prctce lang.. pag nasa school ako tas may tugtugan kmi after class lagi kong hawak ballpen ko pra pwd naring png prctce khit may prof kaso dpat medyo mhina lang bka marinig ng prof.. hehe :)

sa bahay naman bago ako matulog hihimasin ko muna mga drumsticks ko pupunasan tas rudiments prctice na.. hehehe :D

Title: Re: how do you practice rudiments?
Post by: harugrugrug on April 02, 2007, 03:08:06 AM

eto akin.. stretch your hands and arms and fingers... kahit saan..
mahirap na pag nagkacarpal... do some stretching... whoa... parang gym..
hehe... kelangan... mas maganda kundisyon ang katawan... kung bahay ka at may
mirror.. face the mirror and look at the height or ur strokes kahit anung rudiments yan...
as much as possible.. sa snare ensayuhin ang rudiments para sa clarity at pantay na sound... sa foot.. ako nilelevel ko ung beater ng double pedals ko sa gilid ng kutson ng
kama ko.. parang drumpad na din ata.. hehe.. pero just doubles.. hirap e..
tapos kung pakalat kalat lang tulad ng mrt/lrt... same thing as mentioned sa mga nauna..
ganun talaga e.. nasa system na natin silang mga rudiments.. tapos minsan binaboy
ko rudiments by playing off accents.. hindi ung usual.. hehe.. kakabwisit.. some things
that you do wen it's a long commute... hehe...
syempre metronome talaga...
and for inspiration on how can you play with rudiments check the name ivan pacheco
in you tube.. damn.. iba na ito.. playing double strokes with one elbow and one trad grip.. so insane.. just watch it.. sa huli nya un gagwin na naka rock on sign pa xia...

Title: Re: how do you practice rudiments?
Post by: nO RLY on April 02, 2007, 12:40:06 PM

Quote from: harugrugrug on April 02, 2007, 03:08:06 AM

eto akin.. stretch your hands and arms and fingers... kahit saan..
mahirap na pag nagkacarpal... do some stretching... whoa... parang gym..
hehe... kelangan... mas maganda kundisyon ang katawan... kung bahay ka at may
mirror.. face the mirror and look at the height or ur strokes kahit anung rudiments yan...
as much as possible.. sa snare ensayuhin ang rudiments para sa clarity at pantay na sound... sa foot.. ako nilelevel ko ung beater ng double pedals ko sa gilid ng kutson ng
kama ko.. parang drumpad na din ata.. hehe.. pero just doubles.. hirap e..
tapos kung pakalat kalat lang tulad ng mrt/lrt... same thing as mentioned sa mga nauna..
ganun talaga e.. nasa system na natin silang mga rudiments.. tapos minsan binaboy
ko rudiments by playing off accents.. hindi ung usual.. hehe.. kakabwisit.. some things
that you do wen it's a long commute... hehe...
syempre metronome talaga...
and for inspiration on how can you play with rudiments check the name ivan pacheco
in you tube.. damn.. iba na ito.. playing double strokes with one elbow and one trad grip.. so insane.. just watch it.. sa huli nya un gagwin na naka rock on sign pa xia...

kung may mga mararaming monobloc chairs sa tabi tabi tapos mag-isa ka lang. iniisip mong set siya. pinapalo-palo mo siya lagi. :lol: ginawa ko yun isang beses! :evil:

Title: Re: how do you practice rudiments?
Post by: bam0120 on April 02, 2007, 09:53:52 PM

ako pag asa office,... tap lang ng tap.. la pake sa katabi.. ayus lang.

Title: Re: how do you practice rudiments?
Post by: harugrugrug on April 03, 2007, 02:32:34 AM

[/quote]
kung may mga mararaming monobloc chairs sa tabi tabi tapos mag-isa ka lang. iniisip mong set siya. pinapalo-palo mo siya lagi. :lol: ginawa ko yun isang beses! :evil:
[/quote]


hehe.. ayus!! ako sa ofis chairs na tita ko.. ung may mga gulong na sandalan..
ung sandalan mga hihats ko at cymbals,ung upuan mismo ang mga tambol..
hehe!! imagination.. kewl.. rocks on.. hehehehe

Title: Re: how do you practice rudiments?
Post by: drummer_boy17 on April 03, 2007, 06:32:10 PM

Quote from: nO RLY on April 02, 2007, 12:40:06 PM

Quote from: harugrugrug on April 02, 2007, 03:08:06 AM

eto akin.. stretch your hands and arms and fingers... kahit saan..
mahirap na pag nagkacarpal... do some stretching... whoa... parang gym..
hehe... kelangan... mas maganda kundisyon ang katawan... kung bahay ka at may
mirror.. face the mirror and look at the height or ur strokes kahit anung rudiments yan...
as much as possible.. sa snare ensayuhin ang rudiments para sa clarity at pantay na sound... sa foot.. ako nilelevel ko ung beater ng double pedals ko sa gilid ng kutson ng
kama ko.. parang drumpad na din ata.. hehe.. pero just doubles.. hirap e..
tapos kung pakalat kalat lang tulad ng mrt/lrt... same thing as mentioned sa mga nauna..
ganun talaga e.. nasa system na natin silang mga rudiments.. tapos minsan binaboy
ko rudiments by playing off accents.. hindi ung usual.. hehe.. kakabwisit.. some things
that you do wen it's a long commute... hehe...
syempre metronome talaga...
and for inspiration on how can you play with rudiments check the name ivan pacheco
in you tube.. damn.. iba na ito.. playing double strokes with one elbow and one trad grip.. so insane.. just watch it.. sa huli nya un gagwin na naka rock on sign pa xia...

kung may mga mararaming monobloc chairs sa tabi tabi tapos mag-isa ka lang. iniisip mong set siya. pinapalo-palo mo siya lagi. :lol: ginawa ko yun isang beses! :evil:

hehe.. nagwa ko na din yan dati.. :evil:

Title: Re: how do you practice rudiments?
Post by: intake on April 03, 2007, 07:25:09 PM

i practice without a schedule, meaning...magppractice ako kung nasa mood ako magpractice  :-) luckily nasa mood naman ako halos palagi  :lol:

i practice the basic rudiments (single double flam paradiddle etc.) tapos mix and match (kunwari 3 double, 2 single paradiddle, tapos 3 single) basta kung ano yung matipuhan ko pinapractice ko  :-) sinusubukan ko din yung mga rudiments na ginagamit ng mga drum corps, grabe napaka challenging! hanggang ngayon nga hindi ko pa rin makuha eh!  :lol:

tapos kung saan saan ako nagppractice, snare, floor tom, book, notebook, sahig, upuan...kahit saan!
gusto ko subukan magpractice sa kung ano anong bagay..hindi sa practice pad or sa unan lang  :-)

Title: Re: how do you practice rudiments?
Post by: Gep on April 04, 2007, 12:13:22 PM

I do my rudiments with heart.

Sometimes with karel or nikki.  :-D

Title: Re: how do you practice rudiments?
Post by: drummerboy827 on April 04, 2007, 02:18:54 PM

Quote from: harugrugrug on April 02, 2007, 03:08:06 AM

eto akin.. stretch your hands and arms and fingers... kahit saan..
mahirap na pag nagkacarpal... do some stretching... whoa... parang gym..
hehe... kelangan... mas maganda kundisyon ang katawan... kung bahay ka at may
mirror.. face the mirror and look at the height or ur strokes kahit anung rudiments yan...
as much as possible.. sa snare ensayuhin ang rudiments para sa clarity at pantay na sound... sa foot.. ako nilelevel ko ung beater ng double pedals ko sa gilid ng kutson ng
kama ko.. parang drumpad na din ata.. hehe.. pero just doubles.. hirap e..
tapos kung pakalat kalat lang tulad ng mrt/lrt... same thing as mentioned sa mga nauna..
ganun talaga e.. nasa system na natin silang mga rudiments.. tapos minsan binaboy
ko rudiments by playing off accents.. hindi ung usual.. hehe.. kakabwisit.. some things
that you do wen it's a long commute... hehe...
syempre metronome talaga...
and for inspiration on how can you play with rudiments check the name ivan pacheco
in you tube.. damn.. iba na ito.. playing double strokes with one elbow and one trad grip.. so insane.. just watch it.. sa huli nya un gagwin na naka rock on sign pa xia...

Sumasakit kamay ko kapag nag-aairdrums ako. Bakit kaya?

Title: Re: how do you practice rudiments?
Post by: peeves24 on April 04, 2007, 03:37:33 PM

^^^ masyado mahigpit grip mo  :-D relax

Title: Re: how do you practice rudiments?
Post by: harugrugrug on April 04, 2007, 11:38:58 PM

Sumasakit kamay ko kapag nag-aairdrums ako. Bakit kaya?

-sir? try niyo patingin ang kamay niyo kung may carpal..
pero airdrums lang naman kasi e... ayun.. siguro sir...
practice with a pad na lang.. baka ngalay po..
nung pain ba po? ako kasi napaparanoid pag my pain..
it means may mali sa technique or playing ko.. like my foot..

Title: Re: how do you practice rudiments?
Post by: autoexec on April 05, 2007, 02:42:27 AM

Quote from: harugrugrug on April 04, 2007, 11:38:58 PM

ako kasi napaparanoid pag my pain..
it means may mali sa technique or playing ko.. like my foot..

Actually yung pain sa ankle normal yun para sakin. Kailangan lang ma sanay sa pedal para tumibay ang stamina. Nung bago bago ako sa drums palaging nananakit right ankle ko, ngayon baliktad na, left angle naman. Nangangawit sa kakaapak sa hihats pedal :-D. Single ped user lang kasi ako eh.

Title: Re: how do you practice rudiments?
Post by: harugrugrug on April 05, 2007, 09:10:53 PM

Quote from: autoexec on April 05, 2007, 02:42:27 AM

Quote from: harugrugrug on April 04, 2007, 11:38:58 PM

ako kasi napaparanoid pag my pain..
it means may mali sa technique or playing ko.. like my foot..

Actually yung pain sa ankle normal yun para sakin. Kailangan lang ma sanay sa pedal para tumibay ang stamina. Nung bago bago ako sa drums palaging nananakit right ankle ko, ngayon baliktad na, left angle naman. Nangangawit sa kakaapak sa hihats pedal :-D. Single ped user lang kasi ako eh.

 :mrgreen:
yup.. stamina is one factor.. pero kasi tao tayo.. may limit tayo.. di kelangan isurpass ung pain..
kelangan lang ung stamina e mabuild.. :-D
pero sir kasi sakin sa talampakan ung pain ko... kaya nakakaparanoid at di na xia nawala nun..
ayun.. binago ko at mejo tinignan ko ung dati kong ginagawa.. ayun.. ngayon wala na
tsaka ayoko ng nagcucurl ung daliri ko sa paa pag nagdodoubles sa kick.. hehe.. kakailang tignan.. hehe...

Title: Re: how do you practice rudiments?
Post by: daemonite on April 05, 2007, 09:28:28 PM

Quote from: autoexec on April 05, 2007, 02:42:27 AM

Quote from: harugrugrug on April 04, 2007, 11:38:58 PM

ako kasi napaparanoid pag my pain..
it means may mali sa technique or playing ko.. like my foot..

Actually yung pain sa ankle normal yun para sakin. Kailangan lang ma sanay sa pedal para tumibay ang stamina. Nung bago bago ako sa drums palaging nananakit right ankle ko, ngayon baliktad na, left angle naman. Nangangawit sa kakaapak sa hihats pedal :-D. Single ped user lang kasi ako eh.

Kung medyo kabisado mo na yung technique sa left leg mo tapos nananakit pa rin, maybe there is something wrong with the way you play the hi-hats. Yun rin ang pinaayos ko kay jp eh. Lalo na my showband plays a lot of house music. Kelangan ng endurance. Pero ang tagal ko na ginagawa sumasakit pa rin eh. So i switched from heel down to heel up. Yun, medyo satisfied ako sa sakit na nararamdaman ko. Tipong sakit dahil sa muscle training....

Title: Re: how do you practice rudiments?
Post by: autoexec on April 06, 2007, 02:05:15 AM

Quote from: harugrugrug on April 05, 2007, 09:10:53 PM

Quote from: autoexec on April 05, 2007, 02:42:27 AM

Quote from: harugrugrug on April 04, 2007, 11:38:58 PM

ako kasi napaparanoid pag my pain..
it means may mali sa technique or playing ko.. like my foot..

Actually yung pain sa ankle normal yun para sakin. Kailangan lang ma sanay sa pedal para tumibay ang stamina. Nung bago bago ako sa drums palaging nananakit right ankle ko, ngayon baliktad na, left angle naman. Nangangawit sa kakaapak sa hihats pedal :-D. Single ped user lang kasi ako eh.

 :mrgreen:
yup.. stamina is one factor.. pero kasi tao tayo.. may limit tayo.. di kelangan isurpass ung pain..
kelangan lang ung stamina e mabuild.. :-D
pero sir kasi sakin sa talampakan ung pain ko... kaya nakakaparanoid at di na xia nawala nun..
ayun.. binago ko at mejo tinignan ko ung dati kong ginagawa.. ayun.. ngayon wala na
tsaka ayoko ng nagcucurl ung daliri ko sa paa pag nagdodoubles sa kick.. hehe.. kakailang tignan.. hehe...

Hehe nagccurl din ang mga daliri ko sa right foot pag naka sapatos ako. Kala ko ako lang! :-D

Quote from: daemonite on April 05, 2007, 09:28:28 PM

Quote from: autoexec on April 05, 2007, 02:42:27 AM

Quote from: harugrugrug on April 04, 2007, 11:38:58 PM

ako kasi napaparanoid pag my pain..
it means may mali sa technique or playing ko.. like my foot..

Actually yung pain sa ankle normal yun para sakin. Kailangan lang ma sanay sa pedal para tumibay ang stamina. Nung bago bago ako sa drums palaging nananakit right ankle ko, ngayon baliktad na, left angle naman. Nangangawit sa kakaapak sa hihats pedal :-D. Single ped user lang kasi ako eh.

Kung medyo kabisado mo na yung technique sa left leg mo tapos nananakit pa rin, maybe there is something wrong with the way you play the hi-hats. Yun rin ang pinaayos ko kay jp eh. Lalo na my showband plays a lot of house music. Kelangan ng endurance. Pero ang tagal ko na ginagawa sumasakit pa rin eh. So i switched from heel down to heel up. Yun, medyo satisfied ako sa sakit na nararamdaman ko. Tipong sakit dahil sa muscle training....

Hmm. Actually wala akong technique sa left foot ko for the hats pedal. Kasi madalang lang siya pumadyak, or minsan nasa ere lang naka lutang.. Kaya ang tendency is mangawit talaga.. Anyway ok lang namn sakin yun. Sarap iunat pagkatapos.

Title: Re: how do you practice rudiments?
Post by: drummerboy827 on April 06, 2007, 10:50:21 AM

I practice doubles, singles, and diddles from 100-150 bpm........

Title: Re: how do you practice rudiments?
Post by: harugrugrug on April 09, 2007, 02:49:46 AM

Quote from: autoexec on April 06, 2007, 02:05:15 AM

Quote from: harugrugrug on April 05, 2007, 09:10:53 PM

Quote from: autoexec on April 05, 2007, 02:42:27 AM

Quote from: harugrugrug on April 04, 2007, 11:38:58 PM

ako kasi napaparanoid pag my pain..
it means may mali sa technique or playing ko.. like my foot..

Actually yung pain sa ankle normal yun para sakin. Kailangan lang ma sanay sa pedal para tumibay ang stamina. Nung bago bago ako sa drums palaging nananakit right ankle ko, ngayon baliktad na, left angle naman. Nangangawit sa kakaapak sa hihats pedal :-D. Single ped user lang kasi ako eh.

 :mrgreen:
yup.. stamina is one factor.. pero kasi tao tayo.. may limit tayo.. di kelangan isurpass ung pain..
kelangan lang ung stamina e mabuild.. :-D
pero sir kasi sakin sa talampakan ung pain ko... kaya nakakaparanoid at di na xia nawala nun..
ayun.. binago ko at mejo tinignan ko ung dati kong ginagawa.. ayun.. ngayon wala na
tsaka ayoko ng nagcucurl ung daliri ko sa paa pag nagdodoubles sa kick.. hehe.. kakailang tignan.. hehe...

Hehe nagccurl din ang mga daliri ko sa right foot pag naka sapatos ako. Kala ko ako lang! :-D

Quote from: daemonite on April 05, 2007, 09:28:28 PM

Quote from: autoexec on April 05, 2007, 02:42:27 AM

Quote from: harugrugrug on April 04, 2007, 11:38:58 PM

ako kasi napaparanoid pag my pain..
it means may mali sa technique or playing ko.. like my foot..

Actually yung pain sa ankle normal yun para sakin. Kailangan lang ma sanay sa pedal para tumibay ang stamina. Nung bago bago ako sa drums palaging nananakit right ankle ko, ngayon baliktad na, left angle naman. Nangangawit sa kakaapak sa hihats pedal :-D. Single ped user lang kasi ako eh.

Kung medyo kabisado mo na yung technique sa left leg mo tapos nananakit pa rin, maybe there is something wrong with the way you play the hi-hats. Yun rin ang pinaayos ko kay jp eh. Lalo na my showband plays a lot of house music. Kelangan ng endurance. Pero ang tagal ko na ginagawa sumasakit pa rin eh. So i switched from heel down to heel up. Yun, medyo satisfied ako sa sakit na nararamdaman ko. Tipong sakit dahil sa muscle training....

Hmm. Actually wala akong technique sa left foot ko for the hats pedal. Kasi madalang lang siya pumadyak, or minsan nasa ere lang naka lutang.. Kaya ang tendency is mangawit talaga.. Anyway ok lang namn sakin yun. Sarap iunat pagkatapos.

dameng quote ha.. sir!! may forum na tungkol sa pag curl ng toes.. ako nagsimula ng thread..
hehe... post kayo dun.. dameng interesting na makikita dun.,. :mrgreen:

Title: Re: how do you practice rudiments?
Post by: cymor on April 11, 2007, 07:59:01 PM

Quote

i practice without a schedule, meaning...magppractice ako kung nasa mood ako magpractice   luckily nasa mood naman ako halos palagi 

i practice the basic rudiments (single double flam paradiddle etc.) tapos mix and match (kunwari 3 double, 2 single paradiddle, tapos 3 single) basta kung ano yung matipuhan ko pinapractice ko   sinusubukan ko din yung mga rudiments na ginagamit ng mga drum corps, grabe napaka challenging! hanggang ngayon nga hindi ko pa rin makuha eh! 

tapos kung saan saan ako nagppractice, snare, floor tom, book, notebook, sahig, upuan...kahit saan!
gusto ko subukan magpractice sa kung ano anong bagay..hindi sa practice pad or sa unan lang

haha uu nga brotha miguel!,...nag mana ako sau, pag kasama kita sa prakktis sa klasrum lagi tau palo ng palo sa mga upuan, libro at notbuk! pero pinaka maganda sa lahat pag gusto magimprove ang mga chops mo, praktis sa UNAN/PILLOWS tapos dapat HEAVY STICK LIKE MARCHING BAND STICKS ayon yan kay Tony Royster Jr.

Title: Re: how do you practice rudiments?
Post by: cymor on April 11, 2007, 08:01:05 PM

Quote

i practice without a schedule, meaning...magppractice ako kung nasa mood ako magpractice   luckily nasa mood naman ako halos palagi  

i practice the basic rudiments (single double flam paradiddle etc.) tapos mix and match (kunwari 3 double, 2 single paradiddle, tapos 3 single) basta kung ano yung matipuhan ko pinapractice ko   sinusubukan ko din yung mga rudiments na ginagamit ng mga drum corps, grabe napaka challenging! hanggang ngayon nga hindi ko pa rin makuha eh!  

tapos kung saan saan ako nagppractice, snare, floor tom, book, notebook, sahig, upuan...kahit saan!
gusto ko subukan magpractice sa kung ano anong bagay..hindi sa practice pad or sa unan lang

haha uu nga brotha miguel!,...nag mana ako sau, pag kasama kita sa prakktis sa klasrum lagi tau palo ng palo sa mga upuan, libro at notbuk! pero pinaka maganda sa lahat pag gusto magimprove ang mga chops mo, praktis sa UNAN/PILLOWS tapos dapat HEAVY STICK LIKE MARCHING BAND STICKS ayon yan kay Tony Royster Jr.

Title: Re: how do you practice rudiments?
Post by: harugrugrug on April 12, 2007, 03:45:08 AM

mga drum corps na notes ang pag aralan.. challenging talaga.. tignan niyo sa youtube ung tornado,xlr8 ata un.. basta jeff queen,nick angeles snare solos.. a way to look at the rudiments in a new perspective..

Title: Re: how do you practice rudiments?
Post by: metal maggot on April 12, 2007, 11:16:18 AM

I play double kicks so i do LRLRLR patterns with the feet, Heel-Toe.

With the hands, paradiddles, stressing the E, The Moeller Technique, etc...

Also, warmup sa kit, I play polyrhythms, just to spark up the muscle-mind alertness.

Thanks

Title: Re: how do you practice rudiments?
Post by: intake on April 12, 2007, 11:21:11 AM

Quote from: harugrugrug on April 12, 2007, 03:45:08 AM

mga drum corps na notes ang pag aralan.. challenging talaga.. tignan niyo sa youtube ung tornado,xlr8 ata un.. basta jeff queen,nick angeles snare solos.. a way to look at the rudiments in a new perspective..

bad trip naman yun eh hindi ko maintindihan!  :lol:
mamasterin ko muna dapat yung mga basics bago yang mga hybrid stuff hehe

Title: Re: how do you practice rudiments?
Post by: peeves24 on April 12, 2007, 01:23:22 PM

http://hudsonmusic.com/features/mdfest06_sneakpeak.html

click nyo yung sample video ni mike mangini...very interesting concept yung concept nya sa pagpractice

Title: Re: how do you practice rudiments?
Post by: pyong_2 on April 12, 2007, 09:29:44 PM

first stretching muna bago warmups, like single, doubles with first or 2nd notes accented,  and then 5, 6, 7 strokes, flams, paradiddles...Adios...

Title: Re: how do you practice rudiments?
Post by: prjm14 on April 13, 2007, 08:06:31 AM

sakin practice ko nalang ngaun double strokes, paradiddles lang tsaka flam thingy [Rflam LR Lflam RL].. aun lang..
tapos lipat nako sa mga piyesa ko.. hehe, mejo simple palang ala pa kc akong level sa percussion hanggang ngaun.. naiwan nako dahil sa katamaran ko.. :-( :-( :-(

Title: Re: how do you practice rudiments?
Post by: Gep on April 14, 2007, 02:45:27 AM

1. Single strokes, yung pabilis ng pabilis tapos naka-metro
2. Double strokes, pabilis ng pabilis tapos naka-metro (ito priority ko ngayon)
3. Basic paradiddle, pabilis ng pabilis tapos naka-metro uli, tapos may random placement ng accent
4. Flamadiddle, naka-metro (di ko pa kaya ang mabilis e, inggit ako sayo Janelle!)

Yun lang!  :-(

Title: Easy Rudiments
Post by: rexdrummer on May 19, 2007, 02:17:20 AM

Naisip ko mag share kung ano ang ginamit kong aproach sa pag aral ng 40 Rudiments. Naisip ko kasi makakatulong ito sa mga beginners. Mahirap nga subukan i memorize agad ang 40 so heres what you need to do first. I will give you a list for each to practice based on paano ko nai group ang bawat isa.

Group A (Rudiments # 1-7) "Basic 7"

1. Single Stroke- played as R L R L
2.  Four Stroke roll
3. Seven  stroke roll
4. Multiple Bounce roll
5. Triple Stroke - played as R R R  L L L
6. Double Stroke
7. Five Stroke - R R L L R / L L R R L

Group A is really basic.

Group B (Rudiments # 8-15) I call it the "Number Rolls"

NOTE: Usually on this group it uses double strokes but has some singles at the end. Each tap is based on the name of the Rudiment itself.

8. Six stroke roll          ex.  R R L L R L / L L R R L R
9. Seven stroke roll
10. Nine
11. Ten
12. Eleven
13. Thriteen
14. Fifteen
15. Seventeen (still use double until you get to  17 taps on each group)

Group C (Rudiments # 16-19) "Paradiddle Variatin"

16. Single Paradiddle  ex.  R L R R / L R L L
17. Double    "
18. Triple      "
19. Paradiddle-Diddle

Group D (Rudiment # 20-27) "The Flam Group"

20. Flam
21. Flam Accent
22. Flam Tap
23. Flamacue
24. Flam Paradiddle
25. Single Flammed Mill (Flam + Inverted Paradiddle)  R R L R / L L R L
26. Flamed Paradiddle-Diddle
27 . Pataflafla

Group E (Rudiment # 28-29) "Focus Point Rudiments"

28. Swiss Army Triplet
29. Inverted Flam Tap

Group  F (Rudiment 30-33) "The Drag Groups"

30. Flam Drag
31. Drag
32. Single Drag Tap
33. Double Drag Tap

"The Solo Rudiment" ( Rudiment # 34)
34. Lesson 25

Group G (Rudiment # 35-37) "The Drag + Diddle group"
 
35. Single Dragpiddles
36. Drag Paradiddle # 1
37. Drag Paradiddle # 2

Group H (Rudiment # 38-40)  "The Ratamacue"

38. Single Ratamacue
39. Double      "
40. Triple        "


Mas mabilis mong matututunan at makakabisa ang rudiments if you try and practice it as a group. I hope this helps. Comments or Questions? God Bless!


 

Title: Re: Easy Rudiments
Post by: autoexec on May 19, 2007, 02:45:13 AM

pano yung 7 stroke roll? Parang ang hirap naman ipasok nun 7?? Beginner pa lang ako sensya na, pero pano yung rudiment sa 7 stroke roll?? Magiimbento lang ba?

Title: Re: Easy Rudiments
Post by: Gep on May 19, 2007, 03:05:21 AM

Quote from: autoexec on May 19, 2007, 02:45:13 AM

pano yung 7 stroke roll? Parang ang hirap naman ipasok nun 7?? Beginner pa lang ako sensya na, pero pano yung rudiment sa 7 stroke roll?? Magiimbento lang ba?

L R L R L R L tapos R L R L R L R

Seven single strokes, alternating leading hands.

Sir Rex, base sa scale niyo, level 0 talaga ako as a drummer. Hehehe.

Title: Re: Easy Rudiments
Post by: rexdrummer on May 19, 2007, 04:02:04 AM

Gep,
           Thanks for answering autoexec. 

I guess one way to use this thread is kung sino ang may tanong, anyone is welcome to teach it. But now you have a list on the 40 Rudiments. Cheers! Keep Playing.

Title: Re: Easy Rudiments
Post by: rexdrummer on May 19, 2007, 04:05:49 AM

FYI also check out the Vir Firth website, you will see demonstrations on the rudiments. Baka makatulong pa ito on your note reading skills.

Title: Re: Easy Rudiments
Post by: lil.drummerboy on May 19, 2007, 08:12:46 AM

hindi ko pa yan alam lahat eh.  yung iba pinapanood ko mga videos sa http://www.drumrudiments.com sana may mga example yung post mo rex. edit mo hehe :)

Title: Re: Easy Rudiments
Post by: prjm14 on May 19, 2007, 08:26:16 AM

@rexdrummer
chong, post tayo ng example niyan in notation.. tutulong ako.. magpopost ako tom.. heheh :-D

Title: Re: Easy Rudiments
Post by: Bammbamm on May 19, 2007, 10:58:11 AM

Quote from: autoexec on May 19, 2007, 02:45:13 AM

pano yung 7 stroke roll? Parang ang hirap naman ipasok nun 7?? Beginner pa lang ako sensya na, pero pano yung rudiment sa 7 stroke roll?? Magiimbento lang ba?

Im not really sure kung may standard sticking ang 7-stroke, but here's another approach to 7-stroke roll which I often use:

R L R R L R L tapos L R L L R L R

Ok to gamiting fills. Just play between snare and hats or toms and add accents anywhere :wink:

Title: Re: all about RUDIMENTS thread
Post by: rexdrummer on May 19, 2007, 12:14:01 PM

Bam,
         That's a good combination for the 7, combination ng  paradiddle at Triple. Plus yung application mo to form a Linear groove. Try mo yung 7+9 na paradiddle to form a linear fill.

Prjm14,
            I think meron ng naka post na example sa first page ng thread na ito. But still great idea!

Title: Re: all about RUDIMENTS thread
Post by: Bammbamm on May 19, 2007, 12:21:23 PM

Rex, di ko alam yung 7+9 paradiddle. :oops:

 Post mo naman yung actual stickings,..... plis? :|



Thanks! :-D

Title: Re: all about RUDIMENTS thread
Post by: rexdrummer on May 19, 2007, 10:06:47 PM

OK Bamm try this one. You'll use R L (Hands) F (foot on bass or HH)  7-9

R L R L L F R L F R L L F R L F
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9

What I do is I keep my left hand on the Hi-hat and then Right hand moves around from the snare to the toms clockwise.

Now reverse 9-7

R L L F R L F R L R L L F R L F
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 2 3 4 5 6 7

For this I go backwards still having all my left hand on the Hi hat then the right hand starts from the floor tom at yung direction in counter clockwise. So you'll end on the snare.

Sa oras na kaya mo na itong tugtugin combine  the 7-9 + 9-7 into a two bar phrase.

By the way I got this from Carmine Appice's book "Ultimate Realistic Rock" section is on Linear grooves using rudiments. Try it.

Title: Re: all about RUDIMENTS thread
Post by: Bammbamm on May 20, 2007, 12:51:36 PM

^^^

Rexdrummer,

Nice,bro! Thank you very much!!! :-)

Title: Re: all about RUDIMENTS thread
Post by: rexdrummer on May 20, 2007, 01:18:36 PM

Bammbam,
                  Your welcome. Tell me if you'd like it.

Title: Re: Easy Rudiments
Post by: palolo_worm on May 20, 2007, 11:28:47 PM

Quote from: autoexec on May 19, 2007, 02:45:13 AM

pano yung 7 stroke roll? Parang ang hirap naman ipasok nun 7?? Beginner pa lang ako sensya na, pero pano yung rudiment sa 7 stroke roll?? Magiimbento lang ba?

kung sa 40 rudiments ng PAS, 2 ung 7 stroke roll dun. ung una ay ung sa single-stokes, kung saan (tulad na din ng sabi ng iba) LRLRLR L  RLRLRL R. the way i learn and play it, sixtuplets ung division.

yung isang 7 stroke naman ay ung RRLL RRL then LLRR LLR. kung closed siya, each set of double composes 1 sixteenth note. so ung buong RR LL RR L(sixteenth note) ay isang count. although hindi naman standard un, and you can count any way you want, as long as the sticking is correct. :-)


pasok ko lang insight ko sa rudiments and how i practice them:
1) learn the 40 by heart. parang eto na ung do-re-mi nating mga drummers. :) noong sinimulan ko to, i spent an hour each day dedicated lang sa rudiments. sarap ng feeling kapag napapansin mong hindi mo na kailangan tumingin sa kodigo mo. :)
2) start slow. make sure you are able to play the rudiments slow. mas challenging minsan. at wala naman tayong standard speed na dapat abutin sa rudiments e, important ay alam natin iplay with great ease and control.
3) use a metronome. lahat siguro magaagree dito. para constant ung time mo, avoid rushing and dragging, etc. and using a metronome will prepare you to work with a click track in, for example, recording sa studio, or playing along sa isang track.
4) siyempre i apply sa drumset playing! wag lang puro practice pad! minsan, sa drumset, i play the rudiments sa snare or tom, with my feet doing doubles, singles, etc. parang warm up na rin.

so un, hapee drumming everyone!
@ rex, nice grouping ng mga rudiments. ako kasi 4 lang, rolls, diddles, flam, at drags. ahahaha! very nice, i should take that approach in my practice. :-)

Title: Re: all about RUDIMENTS thread
Post by: autoexec on May 21, 2007, 12:24:35 AM

thanks for sharing your insights mga sir! :)

Title: Re: all about RUDIMENTS thread
Post by: sonnaqs on May 21, 2007, 11:15:56 AM

and dude, get drum vids... it really helps alot..
then practice practice practice!!

Title: Re: all about RUDIMENTS thread
Post by: harugrugrug on June 14, 2007, 10:28:40 PM

hanapin niyo si jeff queen sa you tube for a different prospective in rudiments..

Title: Re: all about RUDIMENTS thread
Post by: drummer_boy17 on June 16, 2007, 07:48:59 PM

RLRR LRLL

Title: Re: all about RUDIMENTS thread
Post by: popoyopopoy on December 22, 2007, 07:19:50 PM

ser san po kayo nakukuha ng copy ng ultimate realistic rock??? pwede po makahingi ng l=kopya?? nawala kasi ung book ko na ganun di na naisauli wala kasi ako mahanap tnxs

Title: Re: all about RUDIMENTS thread
Post by: ryan_cabalde on December 27, 2007, 11:50:45 PM

salamat sa info mga bro. very informative a. hehe ayus!

Title: BEST USED RUDIMENTS OR TECHNIQUES
Post by: stix_lon on October 11, 2008, 10:49:44 PM

 :?FOR YOU GUYS.. WHAT IS THE MOST USED RUDIMENT OR TECHNIQUE AND WHY ITS OFTEN USED?   

*Do not use ALL CAPS next time.
-Moderator

Title: Re: BEST USED RUDIMENTS OR TECHNIQUES
Post by: marko21 on October 12, 2008, 12:16:29 AM

Single, Double strokes at Flams  :lol:

Title: Re: BEST USED RUDIMENTS OR TECHNIQUES
Post by: plep on October 12, 2008, 01:17:05 AM

single stroke. kasi lahat doon nagsisimula.

kaso ang paborito ko ito:

paradiddle na magulo... yung feel niya e bumabaliktad ang lead every measure. di ako sigurado kung theoretically sound ito kaso sarap na pang warm up:
rlrr lrll rlrr lrll rlrr l rlrr lr
lrll rlrr lrll rlrr lrll r lrll rl

kaso minsan ganito lumalabas na ginagawa ko:
rlrr lrll rlrr lrll rlrr lrlr rlrr lrll rlrr lrll rlrr lrll rlrl lrll

diridiretso lang yan, baliktad nang baliktad nang lead hand hanggang mapagod  :-P

Title: Re: BEST USED RUDIMENTS OR TECHNIQUES
Post by: shotsofredmist on October 12, 2008, 07:07:53 AM

R L R L R L R L R L R L    hahaha pinaka madali eh. hahaha

teka rudiment ba yng single stroke? lol

Title: Re: BEST USED RUDIMENTS OR TECHNIQUES
Post by: marko21 on October 13, 2008, 08:08:27 PM

^ R L R L R L R L is singe stroke roll  :-)

Title: Re: BEST USED RUDIMENTS OR TECHNIQUES
Post by: uglyguy on October 14, 2008, 08:17:02 AM

tama .. single stroke .... eh kahit saan ginagamit yan ... hehehe

Title: Re: BEST USED RUDIMENTS OR TECHNIQUES
Post by: paeng16 on October 14, 2008, 11:43:41 AM

Back Stroke at Breast Stroke  (yummy!)  :-D

Sa Drums naman... RR LL R L at FLAMS (considered stroke ba ito?)  :-D

Title: Re: BEST USED RUDIMENTS OR TECHNIQUES
Post by: lordlors on October 15, 2008, 04:54:48 AM

the most important: single stroke
the 2nd most important: double stroke

without these two rudiments you won't be able to play any other rudiment.

Title: Re: BEST USED RUDIMENTS OR TECHNIQUES
Post by: makLoy on October 15, 2008, 10:32:32 AM

double stroke and single paradiddLe, ina-appLy ko parati yung singLe paradiddLe pag tumutugtog ako, then niLaLagyan ko nang maraming ghost notes.. hehe

Title: Re: BEST USED RUDIMENTS OR TECHNIQUES
Post by: gutblastgil on October 16, 2008, 07:36:27 AM

Mabilis neto madami na matutuwa sau.. RLRRLRLL-RLRRLRLL-RLRRLRLL-RLRRLL-RLRRLL-RLRRLRLL-RLRRLRLL-RLRRLRLL tas kalat mo sa snare toms at cymbals.. ayus!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :mrgreen:

Title: Re: BEST USED RUDIMENTS OR TECHNIQUES
Post by: rimshot601 on October 17, 2008, 11:01:34 AM

Hybrid single, double, at triple paradiddle saka flams. Sa techniques ng pag palo, combination ng moeller, finger, at wrist.  :-)

Title: Re: BEST USED RUDIMENTS OR TECHNIQUES
Post by: jajacool22 on October 25, 2008, 01:47:28 AM

Single stroke, Flams and Drags. Single paradiddle pero mabagal lang, hehe.. braso kasi yung left ko e, hindi kaya mabilis, nangangawit...

Title: Re: BEST USED RUDIMENTS OR TECHNIQUES
Post by: paniska on October 25, 2008, 02:36:12 AM

Quote from: lordlors on October 15, 2008, 04:54:48 AM

the most important: single stroke
the 2nd most important: double stroke

without these two rudiments you won't be able to play any other rudiment.

i agree doubles and singles, thats really all there is to rudiments besides diddles and stuff...it all comes down to L R L R and ll rr ll rr.

Title: Re: BEST USED RUDIMENTS OR TECHNIQUES
Post by: toybitz on October 26, 2008, 04:12:33 AM

it'll probably be the singles and doubles..after all..this is the foundation of all the other rudiments...

for stick control..

paradiddles at mga anak nito..double paradiddles..

another good exercise..is to use "ala-flam" exercises...

with the other stick raised higher..bring down both sticks to the head, but..instead of a flam..both sticks should land on the head at the same time with the same volume. *bawal ang puh-tak, dapat sabay.."plak"*

Title: Re: BEST USED RUDIMENTS OR TECHNIQUES
Post by: kimpoy19 on November 01, 2008, 10:13:16 PM

aq? single strokes lang naman yung madalas kong gawin, haha. minsan triplets or double. :-D
moeller technique rin

*No TXT spelling please.
-Mod

Title: Re: BEST USED RUDIMENTS OR TECHNIQUES
Post by: drumchile on November 02, 2008, 06:14:06 AM

Singles stroke rolls, double stroke rolls, flams, paradiddles and drags. But the most important thing about any of these is the strokes used within each rudiment. rlrr or lrll or whatever is only the stick pattern. But what about the combination of stroke types? For example tap strokes verses downstokes etc. It all breaks down the efficiency of the energy used between each stroke. Playing these exercises also (if learned properly) increase control of the stick and it's rebound. It makes for less physical work or strain and more control. This is all beneficial to many styles of drumming.

Title: Re: all about RUDIMENTS thread
Post by: rhanen28 on January 17, 2009, 09:16:07 AM

ang hirap mag doubles hindi ko mapantay yung left hand ko sa right ganito nangyayari pag mabilisan na:

R-R-L-l

Title: Re: all about RUDIMENTS thread
Post by: mambo on January 17, 2009, 11:42:33 AM

singles, doubles, paradiddles, flams lang alam ko...yung ibang inaral ko di ko maalala yung pangalan eh!hehe pero syempre pinaka gamit yung singles...

Title: Re: all about RUDIMENTS thread
Post by: migs_23 on January 19, 2009, 08:40:39 AM

www.drumrudiments.com (http://www.drumrudiments.com)

Try this BROs! may pattern siya and of course! videos of different rudiments like para diddles(single to triple),Ratamacue, Flams, Dragadiddle ! ahhaha !whatever and hirap ng spelling ahaha!  :-D Enjoy !

Title: Re: all about RUDIMENTS thread
Post by: lizsa12 on February 06, 2009, 11:23:18 PM

wow.. seems helpful itong mga to.. practisin ko to.. thanks po mga kuya!

Title: Re: all about RUDIMENTS thread
Post by: mambo on February 07, 2009, 03:06:25 AM

nag download ako ng rudiments nito from youtube, unfortunately bihira akong makapag practice nito....what a shame.

Title: Importance of Rudiments
Post by: daleee on March 24, 2009, 11:55:25 AM

Bakit po ba mahalagang matuto ng rudiments? San po ba un gagamitin sa drumset? Tanong ko lang po kasi hindi ako na e-encourage na matuto ng rudiments katulad nung mga nasa vic firth website kasi hindi ko naman alam kung san gagamitin, help naman...  :-D

Title: Re: Importance of Rudiments
Post by: lheyzero on March 24, 2009, 12:18:35 PM

kelangan ang rudiments dahil basics ito, parang ganito, hindi ka naman pwedeng mag pantalon ng hindi nakabrief diba?

lam m ba ung paradiddles? yung LRLL,RLRR? pwede mo silang gamitin with drumfills or as drum rolls, remember to use accents like for example, sinasabayan mo ng bass drum ang cymbals or maghit ng louder note in the middle of a paradiddle

i hope you get it, coz i dont get what i just said, check out drumlessons on youtube like mike johnston

Title: Re: Importance of Rudiments
Post by: inigo on March 24, 2009, 12:38:57 PM

Rudiments are a turn off lang because they sound so academic :D

Tama si lheyzero, basics lang siya. "Rudimentary", meaning "fundamental" or "basic". Singles are rudiments. Alternating singles (left-right-left right-etc...) is a basic thing na you can probably do already. You also probably already do "flams" with your hands and "doubles" with your feet.

Ang importance ng learning rudiments is that if you can do the rudiments well, your body can move na around the drumset. This means that pwede ka na ngayon mag-isip musically kasi hindi mo na iniisip kung paano gumalaw. 

I agree with Mar Dizon when he said that there are only 3 basic rudiments:

1) Single = one stroke with one limb
2) Double = 2 strokes with one limb
3) Flam = one stroke that comes with a ghost stroke

And all other rudiments are just combinations of these 3. If you think about it this way, medyo hindi na siya intimidating. Pwede na sila i-practice between 2 hands, 2 feet, or between hand and foot :D

(naks parang expert... yuck)

Title: Re: Importance of Rudiments
Post by: dekturrr on March 24, 2009, 12:44:40 PM

hi iñigo.
kaw ba yung nasa pic?

Title: Re: Importance of Rudiments
Post by: inigo on March 24, 2009, 12:58:38 PM

Quote from: dekturrr on March 24, 2009, 12:44:40 PM

hi iñigo.
kaw ba yung nasa pic?

Haha. Yea man. :)

Title: Re: Importance of Rudiments
Post by: daleee on March 24, 2009, 02:02:20 PM

ah fundamentals lang pala yun kasi nung tumitingin ako sa vic firth eh parang ang hirap nung ibang rudiments na sa tingin ko hindi ko rin magagamit, anyway onga nagagamit ko nga ung ibang rudiments katulad ng flams hindi ko lang alam na rudiments na nga rin yun, thanks!  :-D

Title: Re: Importance of Rudiments
Post by: mambo on March 24, 2009, 04:05:09 PM

ako rin tamad na tamad mag aral ng rudiments at wala pa ko mahanap na dahilan kung pano ko to gagamitin, pero tama si inigo. mas nasasanay yung kamay mo sa pagkilos. siguro un ung advantage ng mga naaral ko. mas gumanda yung control ko.
as for me, i still try to study some rudiments just because it might get handy someday.

Title: Re: Importance of Rudiments
Post by: Akira JUMBO on March 24, 2009, 07:04:43 PM

This might help:
http://talk.philmusic.com/board/index.php/topic,35244.0.html

Title: Re: all about RUDIMENTS thread
Post by: CDodrummer on March 24, 2009, 11:20:50 PM

i love the 5 stroke roll :3

Title: Re: all about RUDIMENTS thread
Post by: marko21 on March 25, 2009, 08:49:35 PM

Andaming applications ng rudiments  :-o

Paradiddle lang pag kinalat sa kit ayos na, tas singitan pa ng pattern sa paa  :-D

Title: Re: all about RUDIMENTS thread
Post by: phfreq on March 25, 2009, 09:51:45 PM

actually starting from single strokes

look at the videos here:
http://www.vicfirth.com/education/drumset/bellotti.html

makes me realize how important single strokes are...

Title: Re: all about RUDIMENTS thread
Post by: kimpoy19 on March 30, 2009, 10:03:06 PM

I want to learn more about rudiments.

who can help me? I need to learn more.

Title: Re: all about RUDIMENTS thread
Post by: CDodrummer on March 31, 2009, 08:05:45 AM

Quote from: kimpoy19 on March 30, 2009, 10:03:06 PM

I want to learn more about rudiments.

who can help me? I need to learn more.

search drum rudiments on google

Title: Rudiments!
Post by: maki123 on June 03, 2012, 07:15:48 PM

mga idol! help naman! di ko magets talaga ung mga rudiments na yan.. di ko makuhang mabilis, di ko makuha ung maayos na bounce! hirap na hirap ako :(

Title: Re: Rudiments!
Post by: mrsticky on June 03, 2012, 07:45:04 PM

Quote from: maki123 on June 03, 2012, 07:15:48 PM

mga idol! help naman! di ko magets talaga ung mga rudiments na yan.. di ko makuhang mabilis, di ko makuha ung maayos na bounce! hirap na hirap ako :(

I'm no expert but I think you just need a little more patience, first off be sure to make good use of metronome, this really helps. Practice - there is no other choice. And practice in pillows, this strengthens your forearm, wrist and your control. Also find the comfortable grip and technique for you, and practice the rudiments one at a time, don't rush.

About the technique, I hope this helps because it did to me, BIGTIME. Its the open/close technique,

but some also use the wrist technique (whatever they call it) so just choose whichever is more easy and comfortable for you. :-D

Title: Re: all about RUDIMENTS thread
Post by: jeff_proX40 on June 06, 2012, 03:43:07 AM

Single Stroke ( From Wrist Control to Finger Control **Let the pinky and ring finger push the stick to bounce**) Obkorz slow to fast and fast to slow.

LRLRLRLR

Dobol Stroke ( Same as above but with accent on the 2nd stroke)

LLRR LLRR LLRR

Paradidles (Same as above pero with Dynamics **Forte on 1st Stroke and Piano to Pianisomo on all others) - Big Letter malakas - small leter mahina

Single Paradidle
Lrll Rlrr Lrll Rlrr

Double Paradidle
Lrrll Rllrr Lrrll Rllrr

Triplets, Sixtuplets, 9tuplets, 12tuplets

3 @ 4/4 Sig
Lll Rrr Lll Rrr

6 @ 4/4 Sig
Llllll Rrrrrr Llllll Rrrrrr

9 @ 5/8 Sig
Lllllllll Rrrrrrrrr Lllllllll Rrrrrrrrr

12 @ 4/4 Sig
Llllllllllll Rrrrrrrrrrrr Llllllllllll Rrrrrrrrrrrr


Hmmmm ano pa ba?

Title: Re: all about RUDIMENTS thread
Post by: harugrugrug on June 21, 2012, 03:28:16 PM

blushda!!!!!! rLRL  rL-flam

Play it as triplet of 16th feel

Title: Re: all about RUDIMENTS thread
Post by: yeney_mugc on March 28, 2018, 10:15:55 AM

i'm honestly bored sa metronome - practice wise. so gumagamit ako background songs.
sa paradiddle, I sometimes enjoy using catch my breath ni kelly c as background. though mabagal, it sets my mood para sipagin magpractice.  :eek:

Title: Re: all about RUDIMENTS thread
Post by: Drummeroo on March 29, 2018, 03:47:06 PM

Quote from: harugrugrug on June 21, 2012, 03:28:16 PM

blushda!!!!!! rLRL  rL-flam

Play it as triplet of 16th feel

Yung Eric Moore blushda shiyet

Title: Re: all about RUDIMENTS thread
Post by: yeney_mugc on April 09, 2018, 01:25:38 PM

Makapag triplets pala uli starting bukas....
Bukas nalang coz katam attacks.

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