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Title: Sikat = Pop = Baduy? Agree?
Post by: daemonite on August 01, 2007, 09:03:38 AM: Naalala ko sabi sa akin ng producer namin nun sa isang drinking session....

Kung sikat ka, automatic pop (pop music= popular music) ka na, tapos baduy ka na kasi household name ka na. Ibig sabihin ultimo takatak boys tsaka longkatots alam ang lyrics mo.

Is this true nowadays?
Title: Re: Sikat = Pop = Baduy? Agree?
Post by: Al_Librero on August 02, 2007, 07:46:14 AM: that's just the alcohol talking. :lol:
Title: Re: Sikat = Pop = Baduy? Agree?
Post by: daemonite on August 02, 2007, 11:30:21 AM: Pero if you observe it closely, may truth sa sinasabi nya.

kasi ganito yun....

ang ratio ng listeners sa radio - 90% baduy : 10% everything else

sa tv di ko alam kasi....
Title: Re: Sikat = Pop = Baduy? Agree?
Post by: coolvoice on August 02, 2007, 01:26:45 PM: kosa hindi naman siguro lahat baduy.. karamihan lang! :-D

pero sabi soguro nila "eh ano kung baduy!! sikat naman kami"
Title: Re: Sikat = Pop = Baduy? Agree?
Post by: daemonite on August 02, 2007, 01:46:45 PM: dagdagan mo kosa, "eh ano kung baduy kami, sikat naman at yumayaman!" hehehehe :evil:
Title: Re: Sikat = Pop = Baduy? Agree?
Post by: Al_Librero on August 02, 2007, 07:16:42 PM: Quote from: daemonite on August 02, 2007, 11:30:21 AM
Pero if you observe it closely, may truth sa sinasabi nya.

kasi ganito yun....

ang ratio ng listeners sa radio - 90% baduy : 10% everything else

sa tv di ko alam kasi....
whether a thing is cool or not will always be relative to the person judging it.

i know where you're getting at. i myself dislike listening to mainstream radio kasi sabi mo nga, baduy. admittedly, medyo elitista ang dating sa ibang tao. but it can never become anything beyond personal preference, because, acccording to your numbers, 90% will always claim you're wrong. lol!
Title: Re: Sikat = Pop = Baduy? Agree?
Post by: daemonite on August 02, 2007, 07:53:22 PM: True, true. Pero my point was, what if kapag andun na tayo sa situation na ganon? Papayag ba tayo? Kasi for us, being a pop alternative band is a difficult task, we try to make songs na masa pero hindi masyado baduy, admittedly, it is, a little para lang masakyan ng tao.
Title: Re: Sikat = Pop = Baduy? Agree?
Post by: ozborne on August 02, 2007, 09:06:38 PM: madami din artist isacrifice ang artistic side para maging commercial kasi madami ngayon mga alternative ay di masakyan ng karaniwang tao.
Title: Re: Sikat = Pop = Baduy? Agree?
Post by: IncX on August 03, 2007, 12:06:30 AM: not true at all.

i love listening to Dashboard Confessional. they are pop as pop can be.

i dont listen to those 6 cycle mind guys though... i think theres a whole lot of them who sound the same...

but then again, i think a lot of unsigned bands suck too. music does not suck just because its pop. and music isnt cool just because its hard to access and underground.
Title: Re: Sikat = Pop = Baduy? Agree?
Post by: MikEh on August 03, 2007, 03:30:58 AM: society suggests what "baduy" is. it's up to you to classify yourself as baduy or not.

i listen to backstreet boys. loud enough for everyone to hear. heh. the fact that people call them "baduy" is cool in itself. hehehe.
Title: Re: Sikat = Pop = Baduy? Agree?
Post by: daemonite on August 03, 2007, 07:26:29 AM: Quote from: MikEh on August 03, 2007, 03:30:58 AM
society suggests what "baduy" is. it's up to you to classify yourself as baduy or not.

i listen to backstreet boys. loud enough for everyone to hear. heh. the fact that people call them "baduy" is cool in itself. hehehe.

i feel ya dude, nasabihan na nga kami na tumutugtog ng nursery rhyme nung kinover namin ang "Girlfriend" ni Avril Lavigne.

It's getting so hard to please people kasi when they think they know a lot pero ni katiting wala naman.

Ang nabuo kasi sa aking meaning ng pop is when you can make the people groove with your songs, ok ka na pop.

Pero thinking, ilan kaya ang aamin sa atin na we listen to boybands hehehe.... ako nakikinig ako ng N*Sync tsaka 98 degrees.

Pop is such a diverse word mahirap i-explain kung ano talaga ang coverage nito....
Title: Re: Sikat = Pop = Baduy? Agree?
Post by: coolvoice on August 03, 2007, 11:23:57 AM: Quote from: daemonite on August 02, 2007, 01:46:45 PM
dagdagan mo kosa, "eh ano kung baduy kami, sikat naman at yumayaman!" hehehehe :evil:

ay oo nga ... :-D
Title: Re: Sikat = Pop = Baduy? Agree?
Post by: coolvoice on August 03, 2007, 11:26:16 AM: Quote from: ozborne on August 02, 2007, 09:06:38 PM
madami din artist isacrifice ang artistic side para maging commercial kasi madami ngayon mga alternative ay di masakyan ng karaniwang tao.

siguro para magustuhan ng karamihang tao.. eh yung mga tagalog alternative..
Title: Re: Sikat = Pop = Baduy? Agree?
Post by: Al_Librero on August 03, 2007, 11:29:09 AM: ang hirap talaga pag inaalala iniisip ng ibang tao tungkol sa yo. hehehehe.
Title: Re: Sikat = Pop = Baduy? Agree?
Post by: daemonite on August 03, 2007, 11:58:26 AM: Ganito kasi concept ko sa music sir....

We play our music para ma-express natin sa mundo yung asa isip at damdamin natin. Kahit na cover pa ito. It is our option kung pakikinggan natin comments ng tao. Kasi depende naman sa genre kung comments ang pinag-uusapan, pero here's a question.... don't you feel complete as a musician kung ang ginagawa niyo lang tugtog ng tugtog without knowing if your audience really likes it? Sa akin, i know there is something wrong with an artist by their audience, either walang gana ang artist na tumutugtog, walang paki-alam ang artist, or hindi talaga sya artist, tugtog lang ng tugtog.

Maybe you've been playing longer than me, (i mean i only played like 10 years), pero sa 10 taon na pinagtugtog ko, kung hindi ko naging goal ang pasayahin ang audience sa music ko, siguro hindi ako tatagal, mga 1 year lang ako tutugtog.... my audience is what drives me to play more, if i can see that they can feel our band's music, i can call it a successful gig.... and it's our audience that inspires us to make more music kahit na may family na kami and may work na kami. That's a part of the life of a pop band....
Title: Re: Sikat = Pop = Baduy? Agree?
Post by: rockyteer on August 17, 2007, 02:21:00 PM: nope.

during the 60s, sikat=pop=The Beatles, Beach Boys.

dare anyone call the Beatles and the Beach Boys baduy? These were groundbreaking bands.
Title: Re: Sikat = Pop = Baduy? Agree?
Post by: daemonite on August 18, 2007, 06:17:41 AM: That is because we didn't realize that we went with the fad back then.

Then if you say the "The Beatles" are sikat but not baduy, then April Boy Regino is sikat and not baduy also. It's just a matter of choice for us listeners. But all of the artists we hear are groundbreaking dahil they have their own unique style, kaya nga sila umaangat as a national, international artist dahil sa uniqueness nila.
Title: Re: Sikat = Pop = Baduy? Agree?
Post by: nO RLY on August 18, 2007, 10:33:39 AM: Quote from: daemonite on August 18, 2007, 06:17:41 AM
That is because we didn't realize that we went with the fad back then.

Then if you say the "The Beatles" are sikat but not baduy, then April Boy Regino is sikat and not baduy also. It's just a matter of choice for us listeners. But all of the artists we hear are groundbreaking dahil they have their own unique style, kaya nga sila umaangat as a national, international artist dahil sa uniqueness nila.
tama! :-D
Title: Re: Sikat = Pop = Baduy? Agree?
Post by: IncX on August 18, 2007, 12:02:44 PM: Quote from: rockyteer on August 17, 2007, 02:21:00 PM
nope.

during the 60s, sikat=pop=The Beatles, Beach Boys.

dare anyone call the Beatles and the Beach Boys baduy? These were groundbreaking bands.

as a kid, i use to think the beatles suck and hip hop was the best *lol* now i think the beatles are a lot better than hip hop - thats just a personal opinion.

as for the beach boys, they are catchy... but really, i think they are baduy... eventhough i sing along to them when they are on the radio, and i love that episode where they guested on Tim Allen's Home Improvement.
Title: Re: Sikat = Pop = Baduy? Agree?
Post by: nO RLY on August 18, 2007, 12:14:39 PM: depende rin sayo yun kung anong genre ang tingin mong baduy or astig eh. if you're a hiphop guy, eh di syempre hiphop or r&b yung trip mo. or kung conyo, pogi rock madalas.. :lol:
Title: Re: Sikat = Pop = Baduy? Agree?
Post by: rockyteer on August 18, 2007, 03:49:46 PM: it all depends on the artist. Siguro nga, the earlier hits of the Beatles and Beach Boys like "She Loves You" or "California Girls" are 'baduy' for some people. Hell, the early Beatles were the first "boyband" -- pogi silang lahat.

But take their other songs like "Strawberry Fields" and "Good Vibrations" and you can't say that these are 'baduy' - these are real musical masterpieces. And yet these songs were also sikat during their time, hence they are also pop.

In comparison, can you imagine April Boy Regino ever making something like "Strawberry Fields"? I think not. Baduy talaga siya kahit pano mo tingnan. :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Sikat = Pop = Baduy? Agree?
Post by: rednef on August 18, 2007, 03:59:54 PM: Quote from: daemonite on August 01, 2007, 09:03:38 AM
Naalala ko sabi sa akin ng producer namin nun sa isang drinking session....

Kung sikat ka, automatic pop (pop music= popular music) ka na, tapos baduy ka na kasi household name ka na. Ibig sabihin ultimo takatak boys tsaka longkatots alam ang lyrics mo.

Is this true nowadays?

di naman siguro but everyone is entitled to own opinion. kanya-kanyang pananaw lang yan :-)
basta sa kin, pag nagustuhan ko ang isang kanta o banda, ayos lang :wink:
Title: Re: Sikat = Pop = Baduy? Agree?
Post by: nO RLY on August 18, 2007, 08:38:27 PM: The beatles, sobrang pop dati. pero di sila nalaos agad. :-D actually, di sila laos. kaya tinutugtog parin hanggang ngayon yung mga songs nila sa radio. and kaya may bloomfields. hehe.
Title: Re: Sikat = Pop = Baduy? Agree?
Post by: aya_yuson on August 23, 2007, 02:12:30 AM: Walang baduy na musiko. Meron lang baduy na pagtugtog.

In fact....

Maaari din yatang sabihing walang baduy na kahit ano. Meron lang mga tugtuging hindi natin trip. Kanya-kanyang trip lang.

Malaking bagay ang paggalang ng kani-kaniyang trip.

Respeto lang.

Pananaw lang po.
c",)
Title: Re: Sikat = Pop = Baduy? Agree?
Post by: roryrockerchic on August 24, 2007, 10:44:12 PM: ^yes I agree.

The listeners determine what's baduy and what's not for them. Eh kung trip nila makinig ng mga 60's rock, that's cool for them.. while others might find it weird.

Most bands today are manufactured, they all sounds the same. Para silang magkakamag- anak hehe :-D
Mas ok if you have your original style of music para hindi masabihan ng baduy. Sometimes they follow the trend para lang maging "in" or they follow yung mga kabaduyan na uso ngaun hehe. For me, I appreciate those bands who make their own style and do their original things.
Title: Re: Sikat = Pop = Baduy? Agree?
Post by: tronixx42 on August 26, 2007, 01:30:12 AM: si Joe satriani at Vai di naman baduy
Title: Re: Sikat = Pop = Baduy? Agree?
Post by: Indie_Boy on August 26, 2007, 02:34:57 PM: music is music. may mga kanya kanyang preference lang tayo..
Title: Re: Sikat = Pop = Baduy? Agree?
Post by: cookie taylo on August 26, 2007, 08:00:13 PM: nope
Title: Re: Sikat = Pop = Baduy? Agree?
Post by: K-5 on August 26, 2007, 08:03:41 PM: Quote from: Indie_Boy on August 26, 2007, 02:34:57 PM
music is music. may mga kanya kanyang preferences lang tayo..

that's right....kanya knyang trip lang yan
Title: Re: Sikat = Pop = Baduy? Agree?
Post by: cookie taylo on August 27, 2007, 10:44:41 AM: up 4 u bro
Title: Re: Sikat = Pop = Baduy? Agree?
Post by: shredmaster26 on August 28, 2007, 11:53:00 AM: IMHO, as a musician, just play what you love... (mapa-baduy o hindi)... If you love playing rock music, eh di stick to rock; kung jazz, so be it; kung hip-hop or RnB, okay lang din... kung variety, well okay din... My point is, it is important that you love the type of music that you are playing... If we keep on playing music just for the sake of pleasing our audience, eh baka ma-burn out tayo eventually nito... We just can't please everybody... Eventually, your so-called audiences will always try search and listen to new things... Pano kung mag-iba trend and medyo magsawa na audience sa pakikinig sa inyo? Baka ma-frustrate lang tayo when this happens... If you love the music you're playing, then kahit ano pa sabihin ng ibang tao or kahit ano pa i-dictate ng music trend and ng ating mga audiences, we know that deeply rooted yung love natin to that certain type of music that we love... mapa-rock man yan o pop... baduy man o hindi... And yeah, I believe kanya-kanyang trip lang yan tlga... For me, nagiging baduy ang isang banda or artist pag medyo kulang sa creativity and originality ang music nila. Kung medyo di naman sila technically proficient sa instruments nila, okay lang sana as long as creative and may originality sila... meaning hindi lang sumasabay sa uso. Kapag magagaling naman tapos alam mo naman na may ginagaya lang na ibang banda or artist, medyo baduy na tingin ko... Ang mahirap is yung di naman gnun ka-galing pag dating sa music tapos, puro gaya lang ang ginagawa - ewan ko ba bakit nagkakaroon ng mga recording contracts ang ganito??? :-D Just my two cents here. :-D
Title: Re: Sikat = Pop = Baduy? Agree?
Post by: nO RLY on August 28, 2007, 05:32:46 PM: Quote from: shredmaster26 on August 28, 2007, 11:53:00 AM
If we keep on playing music just for the sake of pleasing our audience, eh baka ma-burn out tayo eventually nito...
Exactly :-)
Title: Re: Sikat = Pop = Baduy? Agree?
Post by: insultedgamer on August 28, 2007, 09:01:44 PM: Di ako "Agree". :-)

Hindi naman kasi sa kasikatan nakikita kung astig or baduy ang isang artist eh. :-)

Bakit naman yung mga sikat na banda ngayon. Ang lulupet ng mga kanta. :-)
Title: Re: Sikat = Pop = Baduy? Agree?
Post by: nO RLY on August 29, 2007, 04:07:49 PM: di naman lahat ng mga sikat na banda, sumikat dahil sa kagalingan nila. yung iba, pasikat lang kaya sumikat. pero di ko sinasabi lahat ng mga sikat, baduy.. :-)
Title: Re: Sikat = Pop = Baduy? Agree?
Post by: stanley on August 31, 2007, 01:27:55 AM: Quote from: nO RLY on August 29, 2007, 04:07:49 PM
di naman lahat ng mga sikat na banda, sumikat dahil sa kagalingan nila.

korek ka dyan kabayan! baka mapera lang!!
Title: Re: Sikat = Pop = Baduy? Agree?
Post by: insultedgamer on August 31, 2007, 06:50:10 PM: Quote from: stanley on August 31, 2007, 01:27:55 AM
korek ka dyan kabayan! baka mapera lang!!

Sikat dahil maraming pera? Pa'no naman nangyayari yun? Medyo kuha ko yung punto mo eh pero paki-paliwanag na rin. Salamat. :-)
Title: Re: Sikat = Pop = Baduy? Agree?
Post by: xiver on September 01, 2007, 12:10:21 AM: di naman lahat ng sikat baduy, at di rin naman lahat ng di sikat ay di baduy. :-D saka di rin naman sa kasikatan talaga nasusukat ang galing. mei mga sikat na talagang magagaling, pero di rin naman lahat ng di sikat ay siguradong magaling agad. :wink:
Title: Re: Sikat = Pop = Baduy? Agree?
Post by: cookie taylo on September 01, 2007, 01:53:28 PM: yup tama si xiver, di lahat ng may pera sikat.
Title: Re: Sikat = Pop = Baduy? Agree?
Post by: insultedgamer on September 01, 2007, 08:08:14 PM: Quote from: cookie taylo on September 01, 2007, 01:53:28 PM
yup tama si xiver, di lahat ng may pera sikat.

Wala naman syang sinabing ganun ah. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Pero tama din. :-)
Title: Re: Sikat = Pop = Baduy? Agree?
Post by: cookie taylo on September 03, 2007, 12:35:47 AM: haha, d pala sya nagsabi nun. hehe
Title: Re: Sikat = Pop = Baduy? Agree?
Post by: rockyteer on September 05, 2007, 03:47:41 PM: From http://nomuzak.co.uk/against_pop.html (http://nomuzak.co.uk/against_pop.html)
The things said here apply to 98% of pop music today:

The vast majority of the music is in 4/4 time. Thus, other time signatures, the common 3/4 and others such as 12/8, 5/4, 7/8, 6/8, 7/8, 7/16 etc. are not part of the vocabulary. Metre changes within a piece are not allowed, this is set at the beginning and never varies. This is one element in the reduction of complexity and the limitation of musical vocabulary in pop and rock music.

Additionally, there are no tempo changes within a piece of music, no changes of pace, either gradually as in accelerando, or sudden changes of pace. Tempo is invariant and usually strictly and fairly mechanically follows the beat imposed from the outset. This limits the possibilities of using and demonstrating “musicianship”.

Dynamics are also avoided - the music is at one level of loudness and dynamic changes such as pianissimo, forte, crescendo, diminuendo, are not part of the vocabulary of pop and rock.

Modulation is the process of changing from one key (tonic, or tonal center) to another, also known as a key change. This may or may not be accompanied by a change in key signature. Key changes are not allowed in rock and pop: once the initial key is set there is no variation. Possibilities for the development of the musical material are therefore severely restricted.

Complex rhythms are also avoided, the “groove” is restrictive, confining, and limiting of the rhythmic structure. A few basic rhythmic templates tend to be used universally.

Musical forms are also restricted to a few basic tamplates repeated ad nauseam. There is no development, an absence of the complex forms used in other types of music. The thematic development of the material is avoided, so that musical themes and fragments are merely repeated rather than developed. The typical length of the typical rock and pop song also prevents development and creativity and becomes another musical straightjacket.

Harmony is also restricted and commonplace. There is no room for the augmented and complex chords found elsewhere and the use of dissonance is restricted.

Timbre is severely restricted to a small number of templates. A small number of instrumental sounds tend to be used time after time, electronically processed to create the standard sound and timbre of the typical rock song. Timbre tends to remain the same throughout a piece and is not allowed to vary. This is “clone music” - music that has to repeat the formulae. The aim of constructing a piece of music is to mimic what has gone before rather than to act creatively.
Title: Re: Sikat = Pop = Baduy? Agree?
Post by: cookie taylo on September 05, 2007, 08:10:45 PM: roketeer, ayuz yung share mo. :-)
Title: Re: Sikat = Pop = Baduy? Agree?
Post by: polar on September 06, 2007, 11:25:19 AM: Hindi rin lahat ng sikat, baduy.
Depende na lang din sa trip ng bawat tao.
Title: Re: Sikat = Pop = Baduy? Agree?
Post by: cookie taylo on September 07, 2007, 01:41:57 PM: uy mga idol...now ko lng napansin na malilinaw na yung mga avatar d2 sa new theme ng philmusic. ayuz!!!
Title: Re: Sikat = Pop = Baduy? Agree?
Post by: jasonsteele99 on September 09, 2007, 11:19:06 PM: Yeah its popular pero hindi naman lahat baduy. Naalala ko pa when i was still part of this Local Rock Station in Naga City at that time sobrang pumatok ang "Halik Ni Hudas" ng Wolfgang. Kahit ganon sya ka popular hindi naman siya baduy. May mga songs talaga na baduy (Ex. Jukebox ang tunog... "Di Ko Kayang Tanggapin" by April "Boy" Regino), eto yung mga na tailor made para sa mga naglipanang baduy na FM stations natin.

Kaya din naiisip ng ibang tao na pag sikat na ang song baduy na kasi naipplay ng Radio Station na pang masa (Love Radio, Star FM, etc). Ang totoo nyan kaya nila piniplay yan kasi sobrang popular na at pag di nila pinasok sa playlist nila. Mapapagiwanan sila.

Kaya hindi applicable sa lahat ng songs na pag popular na baduy na. =)
Title: Re: Sikat = Pop = Baduy? Agree?
Post by: cookie taylo on September 10, 2007, 01:22:09 AM: jason ayuz paliwanag mo!!!
Title: Re: Sikat = Pop = Baduy? Agree?
Post by: stilljey on September 10, 2007, 04:07:36 AM: sa panahon yata ngayon parang di na uubra yung mga tipong april boy, lalo ngayong namamayagpag ang mga band group, nuong 80-90's uubra pa tulad ng big 3 sullivan, tatlong pinoy, tarzan and baby jane.. :-D
Title: Re: Sikat = Pop = Baduy? Agree?
Post by: Mustspit on September 10, 2007, 03:10:28 PM: it depends sa banda/artist.. .. pero most of them are baduy...
lalo na yung mga champions :lol: pati yung mga banda ngayon.. yayks!
Title: Re: Sikat = Pop = Baduy? Agree?
Post by: insultedgamer on September 12, 2007, 06:59:03 PM: Quote from: Mustspit on September 10, 2007, 03:10:28 PM
it depends sa banda/artist.. .. pero most of them are baduy...
lalo na yung mga champions :lol: pati yung mga banda ngayon.. yayks!

Hindi lahat.
Title: Re: Sikat = Pop = Baduy? Agree?
Post by: jasonsteele99 on September 12, 2007, 11:27:30 PM: Quote from: Mustspit on September 10, 2007, 03:10:28 PM
it depends sa banda/artist.. .. pero most of them are baduy...
lalo na yung mga champions :lol: pati yung mga banda ngayon.. yayks!

Check what I have posted. Meron namang hindi. Up Dharma Down, Sino Sikat, The Radioactive Sago Project, Paramita, Narda, Dicta License, Urbandub...etc...

So if you think these bands are considered baduy ano ang hindi??
Title: Re: Sikat = Pop = Baduy? Agree?
Post by: daemonite on September 13, 2007, 12:52:28 AM: I'm speaking of sikat in general here, not sikat as in sikat lang sa rockers. Yes, up dharma, udub, dicta license and the others are sikat...to us who really knows music, and to those who don't? Shall we call them baduy dahil we don't share the same tastes?

Think....

Tama ang mga sagot nila na it varies talaga from person to person, or even, group of persons, but shall we prejudice others who have a different taste?

Like sabi ni jasonsteele sa kabilang thread, avril is a trying hard punk rocker- alanis wannabe, but to her fans, do they think the same? I think not.
Title: Re: Sikat = Pop = Baduy? Agree?
Post by: jasonsteele99 on September 13, 2007, 09:25:14 AM: Quote from: daemonite on September 13, 2007, 12:52:28 AM
I'm speaking of sikat in general here, not sikat as in sikat lang sa rockers. Yes, up dharma, udub, dicta license and the others are sikat...to us who really knows music, and to those who don't? Shall we call them baduy dahil we don't share the same tastes?

Think....

Tama ang mga sagot nila na it varies talaga from person to person, or even, group of persons, but shall we prejudice others who have a different taste?

Like sabi ni jasonsteele sa kabilang thread, avril is a trying hard punk rocker- alanis wannabe, but to her fans, do they think the same? I think not.

Got me there huh? :-)

You are right. :-)
Title: Re: Sikat = Pop = Baduy? Agree?
Post by: cookie taylo on September 13, 2007, 03:17:51 PM: april boy.....d ko talaga gets!!!!
Title: Re: Sikat = Pop = Baduy? Agree?
Post by: Mustspit on September 13, 2007, 06:46:11 PM: sabi ko karamihan ng mga BANDA ngayon ay baduy.. pero i'm not saying na lahat sila.. yung mga nabanggit ni jasonsteele99 agree ako na hindi yan mga sikat na baduy.. sikat sila dahil magaling! 8-)

para sakin mga baduy na banda ngayon ay

CUESHE, SPONGECOLA, 6CYCLEMIND, CALLA LILY, 1017, FRIO,
basta karamihan sa POP ROCK.. uber sila sa kabaduyan....
Title: Re: Sikat = Pop = Baduy? Agree?
Post by: daemonite on September 14, 2007, 04:49:09 PM: Quote from: Mustspit on September 13, 2007, 06:46:11 PM
basta karamihan sa POP ROCK.. uber sila sa kabaduyan....

Eto yung sinasabi ko na prejudice, pero syempre, opinion mo yan, i would respect it. Pero paano kung sinabi ko sa harap mo na POP ROCK rin ang banda ko. would you say i'm baduy? Would it be a sin to you na gustong-gusto ko na nakiki-jive ang LAHAT ng audience ko kapag tumutugtog ako? Hindi lang mga rockers, hindi lang mga teenagers. LAHAT.

Would you say rin ba na ang Imago is baduy dahil pop rock sila? Barbie Almalbis writes great songs along with Rivermaya pero would you say baduy sila?

Questions, questions...
Title: Re: Sikat = Pop = Baduy? Agree?
Post by: Mustspit on September 16, 2007, 04:18:57 PM: dude, sinabi ko lang na "karamihan" sa pop-rock ay baduy pero NOT all..
hindi ko naman gineralized ... yung mga sinabi ko na baduy ay
yung mga laging nasa radio, mtv, magazines at o.a na banda like CUESHE, SPONGECOLA, 6CYCLEMIND, CALLA LILY, 1017, FRIO,

walang masama sa pagiging pop/rock band..
wag lang yung mga tipong boyband na may pagkanovelty na pacute ahaha..
Title: Re: Sikat = Pop = Baduy? Agree?
Post by: cookie taylo on September 17, 2007, 02:58:39 AM: :?
Title: Re: Sikat = Pop = Baduy? Agree?
Post by: daemonite on September 17, 2007, 10:54:53 AM: Quote from: Mustspit on September 16, 2007, 04:18:57 PM
dude, sinabi ko lang na "karamihan" sa pop-rock ay baduy pero NOT all..
hindi ko naman gineralized ... yung mga sinabi ko na baduy ay
yung mga laging nasa radio, mtv, magazines at o.a na banda like CUESHE, SPONGECOLA, 6CYCLEMIND, CALLA LILY, 1017, FRIO,

walang masama sa pagiging pop/rock band..
wag lang yung mga tipong boyband na may pagkanovelty na pacute ahaha..

Alam mo ba kung bakit ganyan ang music nila? Do you see how an artist is made? Sometimes hindi niyo nakikita na masakit sa loob ng mga artist na tugtugin yung mga di nila gusto na songs pero they don't have a choice kasi yun ang gusto ng label, and yung iba, pa-kunswelo na lang nila ang kasikatan nila. It's really hard kaya andami nagi-independent dyan.

As you said, walang masama, pero why do you still prejudice them?
Title: Re: Sikat = Pop = Baduy? Agree?
Post by: Mustspit on September 17, 2007, 02:09:22 PM: alam ko na yung mga ibang banda eh pinapamellow down ng mga label nila
para maging mabenta sa masa at sumikat..kasi pop/rock ang pinapasikat ng mga
radio stations, mtv, mags.. etc..i just hate bands na minention ko kasi pacute ang kanilang puhunan.. hindi ako galit sa genreng pop/rock.. sinabi ko lang na "karamihan" ay nagiging baduy na... wala akong galit sa genreng pop/rock..i like rock.& i do also like pop it depends lang sa artist.. peace! ^^
Title: Re: Sikat = Pop = Baduy? Agree?
Post by: insultedgamer on September 18, 2007, 07:57:31 PM: Minsan. di mo na makikita yung talagang genre ng isang artist.
Title: Re: Sikat = Pop = Baduy? Agree?
Post by: bhenard on September 22, 2007, 06:31:14 AM: magkape muna tayo....medyo umiinit ang topic dito!

basta lahat yan kababayan natin mga dude....peace tayo :-D :-D
Title: Re: Sikat = Pop = Baduy? Agree?
Post by: insultedgamer on September 25, 2007, 06:51:31 PM: Kape? Let's jump to Food Trip Forum. :-P :-)
Title: Re: Sikat = Pop = Baduy? Agree?
Post by: maxi_musikero on September 26, 2007, 08:49:00 PM: hirap tlga pag may prejudices dba? :oops: sometimes people take the phrase "you can't please everybody" to a very high and different level. to the point na may panlalait na. :|

and napapansin ko lang, parang sa mga rockers usually nanggaling ung mga panlalait sa pop rock or pogi rock groups (peace sa mga rockers...baka ako naman ang pag-initan. hehehe!) bkit kaya gnun? :?

let's advocate MUSICAL FREEDOM guys... :-D
Title: Re: Sikat = Pop = Baduy? Agree?
Post by: matanglawin on September 28, 2007, 05:41:18 AM: Not necessarily. Pop, if we are to be strict with the definition, means popular. In my opinion, pop shouldn't be a genre at all, because there are songs categorized first as alternative that becomes popular. Do we star calling those songs as "pop?"

On the flipside, there are "baduy" songs that never become popular (don't ask which, I can't remember them at all).

It all boils down on preference. If you like baduy songs, then you like it. If you don't then you don't. But what are we really saying or asking here?

I think it's more of "why are those baduy songs more popular" than the "really good and better songs" out there. We can always say to each his own, but for me, there is a certain limit to whu a song is popular in the first place. Is it popular because it's a really good song, or is it because it is formulated to be a pop song?

Ocho ocho comes to mind once again...
Title: Re: Sikat = Pop = Baduy? Agree?
Post by: insultedgamer on September 28, 2007, 06:46:49 PM: Talaga ba na "Popular" ang meaning ng "Pop"? :?
Title: Re: Sikat = Pop = Baduy? Agree?
Post by: matanglawin on September 28, 2007, 06:53:12 PM: Quote from: insultedgamer on September 28, 2007, 06:46:49 PM
Talaga ba na "Popular" ang meaning ng "Pop"? :?
Why, of course. What did you think it meant?
Title: Re: Sikat = Pop = Baduy? Agree?
Post by: insultedgamer on October 01, 2007, 07:18:27 PM: Wag ka magalit. Sa tingin ko? Wala akong maisip eh. Pero kung talaga ngang...ang kahulugan ng Pop ay Popular...bakit yan naging genre? Para rin syang Indie ng Individual eh. :-)
Title: Re: Sikat = Pop = Baduy? Agree?
Post by: daemonite on October 02, 2007, 09:54:30 AM: Indie is Independent, not individual. They call it indie kasi may freedom sila na gumawa ng music na hindi nasasakal sa labels. Yes, pareho sila ng situation ng Pop, kung ang pop ay hindi dapat i-consider na genre so is indie....
Title: Re: Sikat = Pop = Baduy? Agree?
Post by: ninejuicyjulius on October 06, 2007, 12:59:31 AM: hindi porket sikat o pop, baduy na. buksan ang puso at isipaaaaannnn...

yun lang.
Title: Re: Sikat = Pop = Baduy? Agree?
Post by: daemonite on October 06, 2007, 04:48:02 AM: Quote from: ninejuicyjulius on October 06, 2007, 12:59:31 AM
hindi porket sikat o pop, baduy na. buksan ang puso at isipaaaaannnn...
yun lang.

It's not being closed-minded or anything. Napapansin ko kasi, either sa real life like sa mga gigs and battles, and even dito sa forums, na porke pop ka, baduy ka na sa paningin ng mga heavier sounding fans. Tipong, "yeah i'm punk / metal / prog, you're baduy coz you're pop, you follow trend", style. Nakakainis eh. We pour our hearts in making songs that even a 3 year old can sing to, tapos ganon ang prejudice sa amin. Masama bang maghangad na ang unang kanta na maririnig ng tao sa paggising eh ang kanta mo? And make their day brighter by your songs? Tell me, ain't that the same as the rage being released by hearing metal / punk songs?
Title: Re: Sikat = Pop = Baduy? Agree?
Post by: ninejuicyjulius on October 06, 2007, 12:25:19 PM: kase may stigma rin yung pop bilang genre. parang ang presumption, ang pop ay para sa mga walang mga sariling isip. parang kung ano lang ang ihain sa kanila, yun na lang ang kakainin nila sa maghapon. kaya ang nangyayari, mejo mababa ang tingin sa pop. parang kapag nakikinig ka ng kung anu man ang nasa playlist ng Love Radio, jologs ka. samantalang pag nakikinig ka ng kung sino mang hyper obscure artists, ASTIG ka na. it all boils down kung ano talaga ang nasa puso ng mga listeners. kung makikinig ka ng avant garde music dahil lang gusto mong maging astig, wala ring pinagkaiba yun sa mga sabay sa agos.

at saka subjective naman ang word na "baduy." relatibo din ang salitang "pop." yun pop at baduy ngayon, pwedeng hindi na in the following years. ang Beatles, pop. sabi ng iba baduy. sabi ng marami, nasa lebel sila nina Mozart at Beethoven.

at sa tingin ko, sa huli, marami pa din talaga ang mga makikitid ang utak.

pis.
Title: Re: Sikat = Pop = Baduy? Agree?
Post by: pamoso on October 07, 2007, 10:55:08 AM: Ewan ko ha pero parang ganito eh, di naman lahat ng pop (or I mean sikat) eh baduy pero once na malaman na sya ng buong pilipinas pati ng nagtitinda ng isda eh ang claim na is baduy sya. I see that sa friends ko, nagagandahan ako sa melody pero dahil may songhits ang maid nila at kinakanta to, ayaw daw nila dahil baduy! especially pag tagalog yung song..
part na ng human nature natin yang mga pinoy, yung iba kc ayaw nilang ilevel yung sarili nila sa like tingin nila is mas mababa sa kanila..and ang result maghahanap sila ng di masyado pinapansin-feeling unique. Syempre mas malaking percent ang pinoys na hopeless romantics..

in fairness naman sa nagsasabing baduy ang callalily and spongecola..
gusto ko ung intro ng magbalik..and yung revival ng nakapagtataka...

Quote from: Mustspit on September 17, 2007, 02:09:22 PM
alam ko na yung mga ibang banda eh pinapamellow down ng mga label nila
para maging mabenta sa masa at sumikat..kasi pop/rock ang pinapasikat ng mga
radio stations, mtv, mags.. etc..i just hate bands na minention ko kasi pacute ang kanilang puhunan.. hindi ako galit sa genreng pop/rock.. sinabi ko lang na "karamihan" ay nagiging baduy na... wala akong galit sa genreng pop/rock..i like rock.& i do also like pop it depends lang sa artist.. peace! ^^

can you name those bands/artists na pinopoint mo?
Title: Re: Sikat = Pop = Baduy? Agree?
Post by: ninejuicyjulius on October 07, 2007, 11:05:59 AM: at isa pa. wag nating kalilimutan na ang pop scene ay bahagi pa rin ng music business. business. business. kailangang bumenta sa nakararami. at kapag ito ang priority, maging basura man ang lyrics o arrangement, ripped off man o revived, wala na silang pakialam. basta bumenta, tapos.
Title: Re: Sikat = Pop = Baduy? Agree?
Post by: matanglawin on October 07, 2007, 03:22:13 PM: Quote from: insultedgamer on October 01, 2007, 07:18:27 PM
Wag ka magalit. Sa tingin ko? Wala akong maisip eh. Pero kung talaga ngang...ang kahulugan ng Pop ay Popular...bakit yan naging genre? Para rin syang Indie ng Individual eh. :-)
I don't know where in my post I indicated I am angry. Really. But, to take a whack at your statement, kung wala ka palang maisip, why bother?

You made a double whammie. Indie means INDEPENDENT. Pop means POPULAR, as in the popular genre, to which most songs that are "easy" to listen to are categorized. That's why I intimated that is SHOULDN'T be a genre to begin with since ANY song can become popular if ENOUGH people listen to it.

Nowadays, when you say pop, people immediately think Britney or BackStreet Boys, when it shouldn't really be the case.
Title: Re: Sikat = Pop = Baduy? Agree?
Post by: lil.drummerboy on October 14, 2007, 03:39:32 AM: ang masasabi ko lang kanya kanyang pananaw lang yan kung baduy o hindi. depende yan sa tao at sa paniniwala nila. kung tingin nya baduy eh di baduy.. wala ka magagawa dun kahit ano pa pag pilitan mo sa kanya.. pero kung sa tingin nya hindi baduy.. eh di hindi baduy.. ganun lang yun.. para sakin lang yun.. :)
Title: Re: Sikat = Pop = Baduy? Agree?
Post by: kaloyster on October 14, 2007, 06:23:21 PM: Aco mas gusto co pa yung April Boys kaysa sa solong si April Boy Regino.

Medyo catchy yung kanta nung dalawa (Vingo & Jimmy), yung ke April Boy masyadong bakya eh :D

Opinyon co ito.
Title: Re: Sikat = Pop = Baduy? Agree?
Post by: stilljey on October 18, 2007, 02:05:29 PM: may standard ba sa pagiging baduy?
Title: Re: Sikat = Pop = Baduy? Agree?
Post by: maxi_musikero on October 20, 2007, 04:32:41 PM: Quote from: lil.drummerboy on October 14, 2007, 03:39:32 AM
ang masasabi ko lang kanya kanyang pananaw lang yan kung baduy o hindi. depende yan sa tao at sa paniniwala nila. kung tingin nya baduy eh di baduy.. wala ka magagawa dun kahit ano pa pag pilitan mo sa kanya.. pero kung sa tingin nya hindi baduy.. eh di hindi baduy.. ganun lang yun.. para sakin lang yun.. :)

i agree dito. :-)

kaya lng, i hope let's limit our own non-constructive opinions to ourselves. ok lng kung ang tingin ng tao sa pop ay baduy, AS LONG AS THEY DON'T RESORT TO STEPPING ON OTHERS WHO ARE INTO THIS GENRE. :-)

parang kasi sinabing kasalanan ng mga composers/musicians na sumikat yung song nila eh..hehehehe! :lol:
Title: Re: Sikat = Pop = Baduy? Agree?
Post by: jeff_proX40 on October 28, 2007, 04:24:09 AM: Di baduy ang POT, Kapatid at iba pang mga sumisikat na banda ngayon like Sinosikat, Alak pa, Juan pablo dream, etch. Marami lang mga nagstistereo type kasi halos lahat ng banda na sikat eh baduy like Six cycle mind. haha. no offence pero baduy talaga sila. hehehe
Title: Re: Sikat = Pop = Baduy? Agree?
Post by: ninejuicyjulius on October 28, 2007, 07:50:30 PM: Quote from: stilljey on October 18, 2007, 02:05:29 PM
may standard ba sa pagiging baduy?

nakakalungkot mang aminin, pero oo, merong standard. parang ang napapansin ko, kapag mainstream ka, nagiging baduy ka. tapos may notion na kapag mainstream, nilalamon mo lang kung ano ang ibigay sa yo. wala kang sariling isip kumbaga. aktwali kaya nga tinawag na MAINSTREAM. sabay sa agos lang.

"The trick is to listen to the right people." - damon albarn (blur) on pop music
Title: Re: Sikat = Pop = Baduy? Agree?
Post by: BossingBoss on November 07, 2007, 07:09:02 PM: yup baduy nga pero kung limpak limpak na salapi naman ang kapalit eh why not?

hehe. joke.

kanya kanya lang trip yan mga bro. :-)
Title: Re: Sikat = Pop = Baduy? Agree?
Post by: jeff_proX40 on November 09, 2007, 02:52:08 AM: Quote from: BossingBoss on November 07, 2007, 07:09:02 PM
yup baduy nga pero kung limpak limpak na salapi naman ang kapalit eh why not?

hehe. joke.

kanya kanya lang trip yan mga bro. :-)

hehehe nice attitude!
Title: Re: Sikat = Pop = Baduy? Agree?
Post by: xandrix120780 on November 10, 2007, 03:42:06 PM: ang english term ng baduy ay cueshe

c april boy regino naman ay 'mukhang unggoy na tomboy' (if i'm not mistaken, remark ito ng isa sa mga E-heads noon during their cold war days with April Boys, sa isang song nila gumamit sila ng allusion na 'April Fools" hehe.

in fairness naman kay April Boy.... SOBRANG BADUY SYA.
Title: Re: Sikat = Pop = Baduy? Agree?
Post by: jeff_proX40 on November 11, 2007, 07:08:07 AM: Quote from: xandrix120780 on November 10, 2007, 03:42:06 PM
ang english term ng baduy ay cueshe

c april boy regino naman ay 'mukhang unggoy na tomboy' (if i'm not mistaken, remark ito ng isa sa mga E-heads noon during their cold war days with April Boys, sa isang song nila gumamit sila ng allusion na 'April Fools" hehe.

in fairness naman kay April Boy.... SOBRANG BADUY SYA.

hahaha nice one!!! Cueshe pala eh Baduy.... hakhakhak!!!
Title: Re: Sikat = Pop = Baduy? Agree?
Post by: LouieAzcona on November 26, 2007, 01:43:26 AM: para sakin may dalawang klase ng sikat:

1.mga baduy. ung chiks lang ang target ng mga kanta nila, ung kailangan pogi ang bokalista. ung sobrang decades na ang tanda ng style ng songwriting. sikat sila kasi ang pagiging baduy has a never-dying market.

2.mga nagseset ng standards. mga hindi nakisabay sa uso. mga sincere at may paninindigan sa music. original. walang paki-alam sa sasabhin ng mga tao sakanila.

for example. keso. hindi sila favorite ko. hindi sila pop. hindi panchiks ang kanta nila. pero sikat sila. and for me, hindi sila baduy.

so hindi lahat ng sikat baduy
Title: Re: Sikat = Pop = Baduy? Agree?
Post by: insultedgamer on December 27, 2007, 07:21:29 PM: Tama!! :-)
Title: Re: Sikat = Pop = Baduy? Agree?
Post by: otistikako on January 26, 2008, 01:37:34 PM: Baduy is subjective.

Bakit may mga hindi sikat na baduy ah.. hahaha! Actually andami-dami nila -- those who emulate their idols and wear stupidity on their sleaves.. Like waaahhh I cover Black Sabbath and Metallica astig. Progressive guitar licks yeah kaya mu yon. Burn those baduy in hell.

Oo nga.. Beatles ba baduy.. Radiohead ba baduy.. Joey Ayala ba baduy... Eraserheads ba baduy..

Sabi ko nga eh, lahat ng bagay sa mundo SUBJECTIVE. depende sa tumitingin. peace out. :-D
Title: Re: Sikat = Pop = Baduy? Agree?
Post by: chromeknive on January 26, 2008, 02:38:24 PM: quite stupid. that's what.

sikat = tool.

baduy?

why did i even make an analogy? grrr...
semantics palang talo na e. walang saysay ang thread na to.
Title: Re: Sikat = Pop = Baduy? Agree?
Post by: LouieAzcona on January 26, 2008, 07:58:08 PM: Quote from: chromeknive on January 26, 2008, 02:38:24 PM
quite stupid. that's what.

sikat = tool.

baduy?

why did i even make an analogy? grrr...
semantics palang talo na e. walang saysay ang thread na to.

meron naman. medyo nagkakaraoon ng idea ang mga forumites regarding BADUYNESS.

hindi porke metal, hindi baduy.
hindi porke mainstream, baduy

sa tingin ko, basta gasgas (hindi luma) ang style mo, baduy ka.
iba ang gasgas sa luma. madaming lumang style ang masarap parin pakinggan.
madami naman ang gasgas na.

gasgas = lumang style na nakakasawa/boring.

as long as your music has an element that can be considered original, hindi ka baduy.

listen to the song: ang boyfriend kong baduy.
pano niya dinefine ung boyfriend niya?
imagine mo music ung boyfriend niya, sa tingin ko maganda defintion ng baduy sa song na yon. luma na ang style. hindi na nagwowork. kasi gasgas na.
Title: Re: Sikat = Pop = Baduy? Agree?
Post by: daemonite on January 27, 2008, 04:34:08 AM: Quote from: chromeknive on January 26, 2008, 02:38:24 PM
quite stupid. that's what.
sikat = tool.
baduy?
why did i even make an analogy? grrr...
semantics palang talo na e. walang saysay ang thread na to.

Comment ko lang dito noh, are you sure sikat ang tool? Naririnig mo ba sa mga bata, sa media ang mga songs ng Tool? Not that i'm not a fan, Big influence ko rin ang Tool. Pero we shouldn't prejudice the other genres porke gusto natin ang isang genre. Kaya nga ginawa ko itong thread na ito for opinions on the matter. And to call this thread a stupid one, you must be the one who is stupid 'coz your eyes ain't open to options. Semantics? Analogy? Have you made a proper one? I don't think so. Hindi mo man lang tinignan ang both sides of the coin. And i think you didn't read properly the title of the thread. I didn't ask if my thread is stupid. I just asked if you would agree because a lot of undergrounds, metals, and simply jerks who do not open their eyes to the whole world of music often prejudice us, Pop bands, Alternative Bands, R&B bands and the like do not know how much effort we put into our music composing it, making sure people would love it. Other peeps may say it's stupid but it's our passion. Making people happy with our music. Not just some roadies, groupies and posers who just run around with the band.

Eto challenge ko sa yo. If you can neatly play Toto, EWF and Gloria Estefan songs, come back to me and say it's stupid, i would gladly concede. Music is not just shredding, riffs, double peds, adlibs and slaps. The soul we put into it IS the music no matter what genre it is.

Sensya na for the long post pero I just hate prejudiced people and call me stupid.
Title: Re: Sikat = Pop = Baduy? Agree?
Post by: chromeknive on January 27, 2008, 01:59:19 PM: oh, im really sorry, man. i should've been more careful.

but what i was trying to say is, (although i was an a$$hole earlier), that :

sikat = pop (doesnt need a question mark, since "pop" is an abreviation of "popular"), BUT there are not-pop artists na sikat.

pop = baduy is AS YOU MENTIONED, OBVIOUSLY not true. (I wasnt showing bias towards tool, but RATHER showing that tool is a prog metal band AND sikat sila, therefore, POP=SIKAT is easily disproven. (SIKAT is not equal to BADUY also if you think tool is not baduy). Where do not POP bands fall? Not SIKAT automatically? marami namang hindi "pop" na sikat diba? immediately you can disprove the equation.

and further more, i don't see any sense in the formula sikat=pop=baduy because of how subjective it all is. you have to define baduy pa, etc. in other words, paikot-ikot lang ang discussion n'yan if ever dahil flawed to begin with ang thread title. Hasty, sweeping generalization.

So, in the spirit of adhering to the title, and dahil yeah, mali ako sa unang post ko, i strongly disagree that sikat=pop=baduy.

P.S. - you don't need to do the "openmindedness" lecture on me talaga, mali lang talaga pagkasabi ko sa unang post ko. I'm neither prejudiced nor a hardcore metalhead. (I love the 80's and just recently filmed a music video for the Erasure song "Always" with me dancing and lip-syncing. Did I just say that?)

P.P.S. - Yeah sikat ang Tool. Hindi sila "mainstream" (new term) or "POP" pero sikat sila. See what I mean? semantics, terms, etc. Are you saying a band that sells millions of albums is not sikat? "Sikat" therefore becomes a term that needs to be defined again.

Quote from: daemonite on January 27, 2008, 04:34:08 AM
I just asked if you would agree because a lot of undergrounds, metals, and simply jerks who do not open their eyes to the whole world of music often prejudice us, Pop bands, Alternative Bands, R&B bands and the like do not know how much effort we put into our music composing it, making sure people would love it.

And in response to that, THAT, in my opinion, is exhibited prejudism. To begin with, the thread was made with prejudice AGAINST underground people and metals. metalheads. people who like metal.

See what I mean? To really dissect this thread, paikot-ikot lang. Peace, man. I hope I explained myself better this time. Sorry pare, alam kong minsan impulsive ako at malakas magsalita. Peace!
Title: Re: Sikat = Pop = Baduy? Agree?
Post by: ninejuicyjulius on January 27, 2008, 02:08:30 PM: "there's a B-side in every story..." -fruitcake, eraserheads
Title: Re: Sikat = Pop = Baduy? Agree?
Post by: autoexec on February 06, 2008, 07:52:50 AM: nope, meron din namang mga sikat na banda pero andun pa din yung technicality/creativity/musicality nila.. :-)
Title: Re: Sikat = Pop = Baduy? Agree?
Post by: higad on February 09, 2008, 12:29:00 AM: wala sanang ma-offend. sariling pananaw lang :D

paano ba magiging pop ang isang kanta?

kung sa radio:
1. papatugtugin ang kanta
2. mas madaming mag-request, mas mabilis maging pop

2 klase ng botante:
a. jologs
b. propesyonal

ano ba taste ng jologs sa musika?
-pwedeng kahit ano na lang basta magustuhan
-walang pakialam kung malupit ba talagang banda o magaling lang sa recording
-gaya nga nung una... basta magustuhan lang nila yung pinapakinggan nila. so pwedeng maging trip nila dragonforce o callalily. at mas madalas din sila magrequest sa radio kesa sa propesyonal kasi isa yun sa hobby nila.

ano ba taste ng propesyonal sa musika?
-live performance and recorded track is a must. i mean, kung wala kang kwenta mag-perform, pero maganda recorded stuff mo, hindi ka trip ng propesyonal or meron siyang reason para hindi magustuhan yung kanta mo.
+madalas hindi nakikinig ng radyo to, o kung makikinig man, piling piling station lang.
+bihira mag-request sa radyo

ilan ba ang jologs sa pinas?
ilan ba ang propesyonal?

so kung mas maraming jologs ang nagrequest ng kanta mo sa radyo, na halos lahat e wala naman talagang alam sa music o sa kung ano pa mang kaganapan sa music industry... sisikat yung kanta mo. magiging pop. baduy ka man o malupit na musikero. pero hindi ibig sabihin na automatic baduy ka na.pero mas marami nga lang baduy ang nakaka-alam ng kanta mo at kahit propesyonal, pag nagustuhan yung kanta mo, pwedeng mapangitan na. kasi... malamang ayaw niyang matawag na baduy. :D
Title: Re: Sikat = Pop = Baduy? Agree?
Post by: kimBuhain on February 09, 2008, 07:33:22 AM: sikat=pop lang ang equation for me,.

kapag sinasabing baduy kasi ang naiisip ko yung mga NOVELTY songs eh,.
kung ganun, pwede yung sikat=pop=baduy,. haha,.get my point

sikat=madaming nag ppatronize sayo
pop=popular ka

while,..

baduy: nasa pananaw ng tao yan,.nasa standards nila yan,. yung mga fans ng sponge cola,calla lilly,.
siyempre ang baduy sa kanila yung mga dream theater at metallica,at yung mga jazz fusion type of music,

and vice versa,.

so ang definition talaga ng baduy ay nasa definition na mismo ng tao,.

OT: i just hate yung mga OPM artist ngayon na gumagawa lang ng music para sa pera,.yung cover lang ng cover ng mga lumang songs,.mostly yung mga nanalo sa mga reality singing contest,.and yung mga so called "rakista" bands (which in reality mga pogi rock bands-meaning mga boyband na may hawak na mga instrumento) cover na lang sila ng cover wala na ba tayong maririnig na original? and minsan kahit original gawin nila,hindi ko ma feel ang sincerity sa mga songs nila,.

compare niyo sila sa eheads and rivermaya noon,.ibang iba ang aura noon,napaka totoo ng mga banda noon,! and back then they don't wear make up and show up on tv! damn napaka commercialize na ngayon!
Title: Re: Sikat = Pop = Baduy? Agree?
Post by: higad on February 09, 2008, 12:25:59 PM: @ kimbuhain
bossing totoo pa rin naman mga banda ngayon ah? its just that people change :)
nagme-make up rin naman mga bands noon ah? KISS nga naka-make up eh. what im trying to say is, maybe gusto lang nila ipakita kung ano yung image na nakapag-influence sa kanila. Si ely at raimund din nagbago na ng porma ah? dati maluluwag na shirts lang at jeans tapos naka-chucks lang. ngayon iba na.. :lol:
Title: Re: Sikat = Pop = Baduy? Agree?
Post by: ninejuicyjulius on February 09, 2008, 12:44:20 PM: aktwali kaya nga tinawag na POP kasi short for POPULAR di ba? parang EMO for EMOTIONAL. HAHAHA!

sa tingin ko, kaya may genre na POP kasi ang target na market ng POP songs ay general audience. ang mahalaga lang na punto dito, HINDI absolute sabihin na kapag POP, baduy na agad. laging may exceptions.

yun lang. :-D
Title: Re: Sikat = Pop = Baduy? Agree?
Post by: insultedgamer on February 09, 2008, 12:54:56 PM: Di'ba parang status lang din ng kanta yun? :?

POPular...................................................... :|

Music genre na pala ang pagiging sikat? :?

Sa totoo lang mangmang ako sa musika, pero ano talaga eh. :-(

Ano eh :|

Ano eh :|

Amf!! :|
Title: Re: Sikat = Pop = Baduy? Agree?
Post by: tagagapo on February 09, 2008, 01:06:00 PM: kalukuhan yang baduy baduy na yan basta na gustuhan mo music kahit na kinakanta pa yan ng mga bata mga katulong etc. etc. eh ano kung baduy atleast nag papakatotoo ka sa sarili mo na gusto mo un music na tinatawag nilang baduy, pra sa akin Its your life you need to do it your way your way and not the other way :) even i will take a dump on the highway.

Yung word na baduy pang kids lang un LoL kung ayaw nila de wag who cares diba?

Karamihan ng nag sasabi ng baduy matataas ang tingin nila sa sarili nila hindi nila alam yung word na equality.
Title: Re: Sikat = Pop = Baduy? Agree?
Post by: kimBuhain on February 09, 2008, 03:07:50 PM: Quote from: higad on February 09, 2008, 12:25:59 PM
@ kimbuhain
bossing totoo pa rin naman mga banda ngayon ah? its just that people change :)
nagme-make up rin naman mga bands noon ah? KISS nga naka-make up eh. what im trying to say is, maybe gusto lang nila ipakita kung ano yung image na nakapag-influence sa kanila. Si ely at raimund din nagbago na ng porma ah? dati maluluwag na shirts lang at jeans tapos naka-chucks lang. ngayon iba na.. :lol:

i got your idea,.pero di ko talaga maexplain eh,. mas feel ko ang music na ginagawa noong mga bands noong 90's,.para bang napaka honest and just plain rock n' roll!
Title: Re: Sikat = Pop = Baduy? Agree?
Post by: kimBuhain on February 09, 2008, 03:12:38 PM: for insultedgamer,

pop(popular)= oo pwede rin syang maging status ng music,just your proper adjective,

pop=music na catchy,.easy listening,

e2 ba gusto mo sabihin?
Title: Re: Sikat = Pop = Baduy? Agree?
Post by: higad on February 09, 2008, 03:17:39 PM: Quote from: kimBuhain on February 09, 2008, 03:07:50 PM

i got your idea,.pero di ko talaga maexplain eh,. mas feel ko ang music na ginagawa noong mga bands noong 90's,.para bang napaka honest and just plain rock n' roll!

yea. simple lang mga tugtog dati pero jangas! at kung tutuusin hindi pa ganoon ka focused ang banda sa genre. basta makagawa ng magandang kanta ayos na. :D anyways medyo OT na to. hehe. tama si tagagapo :lol:
Title: Re: Sikat = Pop = Baduy? Agree?
Post by: ninejuicyjulius on February 09, 2008, 10:35:54 PM: Quote from: insultedgamer on February 09, 2008, 12:54:56 PM
Di'ba parang status lang din ng kanta yun? :?

POPular...................................................... :|

Music genre na pala ang pagiging sikat? :?

Sa totoo lang mangmang ako sa musika, pero ano talaga eh. :-(

Ano eh :|

Ano eh :|

Amf!! :|

kumusta ang METAL? bakal? eh yung BLUES? mga asul? :-D
Title: Re: Sikat = Pop = Baduy? Agree?
Post by: insultedgamer on February 10, 2008, 02:03:32 AM: Quote from: ninejuicyjulius on February 09, 2008, 10:35:54 PM
kumusta ang METAL? bakal? eh yung BLUES? mga asul? :-D

Teka, bakit muna metal? :?

Di'ba dahil mabigat yung tunog.

Bakit Asul or Blues? :?

Di'ba dahil "blue" or sad or lonely yung tunog.

Eh ang pagiging sikat ba may tunog?
Title: Re: Sikat = Pop = Baduy? Agree?
Post by: ninejuicyjulius on February 10, 2008, 06:19:51 PM: Quote from: insultedgamer on February 10, 2008, 02:03:32 AM
Teka, bakit muna metal? :?

Di'ba dahil mabigat yung tunog.

Bakit Asul or Blues? :?

Di'ba dahil "blue" or sad or lonely yung tunog.

Eh ang pagiging sikat ba may tunog?

o sige bakit reggae ang reggae? eh ang punk bakit punk? eh yung classical bakit classical? :-D

kasi ganito. sa tingin ko lang ha. yung pop kasi, sa sobrang lawak, wala siyang signature sound. ang nakikita ko lang sa pop, madalas meron silang tinatawag na 'hooks' o yung tipo ng melody na sisiksik talaga sa utak mo kahit anong gawin mo. halo halo kumbaga. anything na pinapatugtog sa mainstream radio at alam ng karamihan, babagsak na agad sa genre na Pop.

boom tarat tarat, willie revillame - novelty pop
pare ko, eraserheads - rock/alternative pop
macarena, los trios - dance pop
to love you more, sarah geronimo - pop love song

and the list goes on and on. ganyan ka-diverse ang pop bilang genre. at saka hindi naman laging literal ang labels na ginagamit natin. naging convenient lang talagang tawaging POP ang POPULAR MUSIC kasi nga POPULAR. aktwali, nagbabago din ang konteksto ng POP MUSIC. yung pop music ngayon, pwedeng hindi na siya pop 20 years from now.

nalikha ang genres para may kaayusan. di ba pag bumibili ka ng CD sa record stores, madaling hanapin ang hinahanap mo di ba? kasi nga may categories. genre.

ayun. :-D
Title: Re: Sikat = Pop = Baduy? Agree?
Post by: daemonite on February 11, 2008, 11:24:08 AM: Thanks guys, i'm seeing the topic's relevance now.

And yes, contrary to what i've said before. This thread is an eye opener for those prejudiced "rockers" who find the pop genre baduy na ang alam lang na klase ng music sa mundo ay metal or deeper. Being a musician, how heavy or light your music is, you have to be diverse in your craft, you don't only listen to one genre or the genres you only like, because sometimes, even though it's kinda weird, you get some inspirations from songs you don't like. the L.S.S. (Last Song Syndrome) is one of the things that influences what i'm talking about.
Title: Re: Sikat = Pop = Baduy? Agree?
Post by: kimBuhain on February 11, 2008, 01:49:26 PM: Quote from: ninejuicyjulius on February 10, 2008, 06:19:51 PM
o sige bakit reggae ang reggae? eh ang punk bakit punk? eh yung classical bakit classical? :-D

kasi ganito. sa tingin ko lang ha. yung pop kasi, sa sobrang lawak, wala siyang signature sound. ang nakikita ko lang sa pop, madalas meron silang tinatawag na 'hooks' o yung tipo ng melody na sisiksik talaga sa utak mo kahit anong gawin mo. halo halo kumbaga. anything na pinapatugtog sa mainstream radio at alam ng karamihan, babagsak na agad sa genre na Pop.

boom tarat tarat, willie revillame - novelty pop
pare ko, eraserheads - rock/alternative pop
macarena, los trios - dance pop
to love you more, sarah geronimo - pop love song

and the list goes on and on. ganyan ka-diverse ang pop bilang genre. at saka hindi naman laging literal ang labels na ginagamit natin. naging convenient lang talagang tawaging POP ang POPULAR MUSIC kasi nga POPULAR. aktwali, nagbabago din ang konteksto ng POP MUSIC. yung pop music ngayon, pwedeng hindi na siya pop 20 years from now.

nalikha ang genres para may kaayusan. di ba pag bumibili ka ng CD sa record stores, madaling hanapin ang hinahanap mo di ba? kasi nga may categories. genre.

ayun. :-D

sakto sir!

pop is the music that majority of the people in the world listens to,kasi nga napaka easy listening and catchy!
Title: Re: Sikat = Pop = Baduy? Agree?
Post by: LouieAzcona on February 11, 2008, 05:14:26 PM: ang kabaduyan ay nasa tenga ng nakikinig.

you cannot please everybody.

siguro ang sagot dito. respetuhin nalang natin ang taste ng isat isa.

kaya sorry sa mga emo ah. minsan kasi hindi ko kayo maintindihan! haha.
hindi ko makilala kung sino ang mga EMO talaga at kung sino nagprepretend lang.
Title: Re: Sikat = Pop = Baduy? Agree?
Post by: kimBuhain on February 11, 2008, 05:37:41 PM: Quote from: LouieAzcona on February 11, 2008, 05:14:26 PM
ang kabaduyan ay nasa tenga ng nakikinig.

you cannot please everybody.

siguro ang sagot dito. respetuhin nalang natin ang taste ng isat isa.

kaya sorry sa mga emo ah. minsan kasi hindi ko kayo maintindihan! haha.
hindi ko makilala kung sino ang mga EMO talaga at kung sino nagprepretend lang.

makikita mo yan kapag laos na ang emo sa mainstream(or i mean laos na as a household name sa ngayon),.

yung mga taong natira at ganun parin ang hilig sa emo ayun ang mga totoo,.

yung mga poser ngayon at nakikiuso lang ay surely mawawala at makikiuso na naman sa bagong trend after ng emo.
Title: Re: Sikat = Pop = Baduy? Agree?
Post by: ninejuicyjulius on February 11, 2008, 09:29:12 PM: Quote from: kimBuhain on February 11, 2008, 01:49:26 PM
sakto sir!

pop is the music that majority of the people in the world listens to,kasi nga napaka easy listening and catchy!

ay tsong wag naman "majority of people in the world." kasi baka di kilala ni Paul Mccartney si Lito Camo. :-D

depende rin sa konteksto ng bawat lipunan ang pop music.
Title: Re: Sikat = Pop = Baduy? Agree?
Post by: chromeknive on February 12, 2008, 09:51:57 AM: IMHO, if you don't respect pop, hipocrite ka. period.

now if you don't like pop and call it "baduy", quite frankly, who gives a crap? its your opinion.

the thing is, you can respect pop and still call it baduy. yes, you can. because some pop can never be called baduy and most pop can be called baduy.

now if you feel that you need to defend your taste in music from "biased / closed minded rockers" , no offense man, but that's just a bit insecure.
Title: Re: Sikat = Pop = Baduy? Agree?
Post by: daemonite on February 12, 2008, 10:27:42 AM: Quote from: chromeknive on February 12, 2008, 09:51:57 AM
IMHO, if you don't respect pop, hipocrite ka. period.

now if you don't like pop and call it "baduy", quite frankly, who gives a crap? its your opinion.

the thing is, you can respect pop and still call it baduy. yes, you can. because some pop can never be called baduy and most pop can be called baduy.

now if you feel that you need to defend your taste in music from "biased / closed minded rockers" , no offense man, but that's just a bit insecure.

Well then, if i'm insecure, then i call all the metal biased rockers who keeps on complaining that they don't get much radio airplay and burst it out on pop insecure too. And FYI. besides from playing pop, i also play hardcore to metal when i session so i guess that takes care of my insecurity. I just speak for those high school kids who dream big but doesn't have the right music but pop.

Honestly, tabla-tabla lang yan. If it's a matter of opinion, then it's stalemate. no need to bash people.

And relax, i'm chill.
Title: Re: Sikat = Pop = Baduy? Agree?
Post by: chromeknive on February 12, 2008, 11:21:23 AM: nah, dude, im chill. :-)
isipin mo nalang, for all our squabbling, at the end we will come out better people as long as we don't take things personally.

and i really don't intend to bash anyone, not you, not pop. i left my ignorance in highschool.

i think valid rin naman yung gripe ng not just metal, but other forms of music as a whole. i'm sure you know that maraming magagaling na blues and soul bands dito who don't get a chance at all because the labels only want pop. its not because insecure sila, they rant because people don't take risks, people dont give them the chance to be heard when kitang-kita naman sa abroad na PWEDENG kumita ang iba't-ibang forms of music mabigyan lang ng chance. sinosikat had their final mixes altered by their label to be more "pop". its not because of insecurity.

dito sa pilipinas maraming baduy na pop. (my opinion) and pop rules the airwaves. (fact) its an inevitable occurence that people will want something other than pop. most will be content with pop.

tama ka, this thread boils down to a matter of opinion specially when you have terms that can be interpreted in different ways.

so ayun naman pala e, if you're not insecure about your taste in music, wag mo nalang pansinin yung mga "metal dapat koya!" at mga "sellout sellout dapat rakizta koya!" who may or may not realize na medyo mali yung mentality nila. some people don't know any better.

and once again, i'm a lover of pop music, metal, rock...music in general. i like the spice girls, toto, erasure, the deftones, tool, protest the hero, etc.

Sikat = Pop = Baduy? Disagree. Disproven. Case closed?

Adjourn?
Title: Re: Sikat = Pop = Baduy? Agree?
Post by: in_the_tent on February 15, 2008, 11:59:39 AM: Quote from: kimBuhain on February 11, 2008, 05:37:41 PM

makikita mo yan kapag laos na ang emo sa mainstream(or i mean laos na as a household name sa ngayon),.

yung mga taong natira at ganun parin ang hilig sa emo ayun ang mga totoo,.

yung mga poser ngayon at nakikiuso lang ay surely mawawala at makikiuso na naman sa bagong trend after ng emo.
kumbaga ba eh kahit laos na spandex nagsusuot pa rin si Malmsteen? :-D
Title: Re: Sikat = Pop = Baduy? Agree?
Post by: nO RLY on February 24, 2008, 11:12:10 PM: just my 2 cents..

but i see the band's true craft during live performances because that's the time when i see them really perform. not just show off.

i dunno. i just think that sikat man or underground, it's the musician's craft that matters.
Title: Re: Sikat = Pop = Baduy? Agree?
Post by: moogerfooger on March 21, 2008, 03:30:40 AM: sikat man o hindi,, baduy man o mejo baduy,,anjan na yan..nsa radyo na yan at kahit san ka magpunta madidinig mo yan. wla na tayo magagawa jan,,magsulat na lang kyo ng maraming piyesa at baka sakaling yung inyo naman ang umere sa radyo at nang mapalitan naman yung mga baduy songs na sinasabi ninyo. sa ngyon, relax lng muna kayo. :mrgreen: :-D

eto lang yan eh... " inggitan" :evil: at baguhin yan sa sistema naten...
Title: Re: Sikat = Pop = Baduy? Agree?
Post by: kimBuhain on March 21, 2008, 04:03:51 AM: i think basta gusto mo ginagawa mo,ok yun,.

kung underground talaga ang tunog mo,.dun ka

kung po ang trip mo,.dun ka

basta all for the sake of music!

nakakaasar lang kasi yung mga commercial artist ngayon na ginagawa na lang negosyo yung music,.minsan kahit covers na lang ginagawa nila,.paulit ulit na lang
Title: Re: Sikat = Pop = Baduy? Agree?
Post by: moogerfooger on March 21, 2008, 05:22:46 AM: relax lang po,,hindi naman lahat na lang ng sisikat at laging nadidinig s radio ay BADUY na. respetuhin naman natin yung iba kasi pinaghirapan din nila iyon bago nila narating yon. :mrgreen: yung iba naman na sa tingin mo e nanggagaya lang..wa na tayo magagawa sa kanila. yaan mo na... :-D
Title: Re: Sikat = Pop = Baduy? Agree?
Post by: drummerboy827 on March 21, 2008, 09:08:27 AM: Medyo correct yan. Pero di baduy, its all a matter of taste and preference.
Title: Re: Sikat = Pop = Baduy? Agree?
Post by: kimBuhain on March 21, 2008, 09:28:39 AM: to topic:

sikat= means popular or madami nakakilala sayo,hindi man musically,.pwede socially,.politically or your just a noble person

pop=popular music,.music na catchy,easy listening,.and the most radio-friendly sa lahat ng music genre(including all pop sub genre i.e pop rock,.pop punk,.)

baduy= (for me no straight definition) yung listener ang magsasabi kung anu ang baduy sa kanya 8-)
Title: Re: Sikat = Pop = Baduy? Agree?
Post by: ninejuicyjulius on March 21, 2008, 01:38:53 PM: parang paikot ikot na ang usapan. :-D
Title: Re: Sikat = Pop = Baduy? Agree?
Post by: Kipling241 on March 22, 2008, 11:34:08 AM: sinosipop?
Title: Re: Sikat = Pop = Baduy? Agree?
Post by: insultedgamer on March 22, 2008, 10:05:29 PM: Quote from: ninejuicyjulius on March 21, 2008, 01:38:53 PM
parang paikot ikot na ang usapan. :-D

Owrayt...
Title: Re: Sikat = Pop = Baduy? Agree?
Post by: moogerfooger on March 22, 2008, 11:24:31 PM: Quote from: ninejuicyjulius on March 21, 2008, 01:38:53 PM
parang paikot ikot na ang usapan. :-D

cge ser, tapusin mo na..bigay ka n ng ending para jan :-D :-)
Title: Re: Sikat = Pop = Baduy? Agree?
Post by: ninejuicyjulius on March 23, 2008, 12:09:37 AM: Quote from: moogerfooger on March 22, 2008, 11:24:31 PM

cge ser, tapusin mo na..bigay ka n ng ending para jan :-D :-)

may conclusion na dati pa eh. rewind kayo.

pero sige lang. tuloy lang ang inputs para masaya. :-D
Title: Re: Sikat = Pop = Baduy? Agree?
Post by: moogerfooger on March 23, 2008, 01:01:46 AM: Quote from: ninejuicyjulius on March 23, 2008, 12:09:37 AM
may conclusion na dati pa eh. rewind kayo.

pero sige lang. tuloy lang ang inputs para masaya. :-D

cge ser pasimula ka ng bago para gumulong ulit to :wink: :-)
Title: Re: Sikat = Pop = Baduy? Agree?
Post by: ninejuicyjulius on March 23, 2008, 01:53:30 PM: Re: Sikat = Pop = Baduy? Agree?

Pop music should/can be 'sikat.'

'Sikat' can/should be pop.

Pop music is not always baduy.

'Baduy' is subjective.

therefore, the glass can be Cueshe's debut album. :-D
Title: Re: Sikat = Pop = Baduy? Agree?
Post by: moogerfooger on March 23, 2008, 05:07:01 PM: hek hek hek :-D :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Sikat = Pop = Baduy? Agree?
Post by: Helmet on March 27, 2008, 03:17:32 PM: Eh pero nakainom na kayo eh? :evil:

You wouldn't know that a great band exists as long as it hits the media...

It's partially true but it doesn't apply to everyone...

Baka iba ang definition nya ng Pop...baka mainstream naman ibig nya sabihin

Pero kahit na...oi! tagay pa dyan!
Title: Re: Sikat = Pop = Baduy? Agree?
Post by: chromeknive on March 28, 2008, 01:20:22 AM: Sikat = Pop = Baduy = WRONG

THE END.
Title: Re: Sikat = Pop = Baduy? Agree?
Post by: SCREWER on March 28, 2008, 06:05:00 AM: Let them judge according to their will and you are also free to respond according
to your will... :-)

if you can't accept the word pop for your music then you have to prove something that it's not..or you better just judge the people stupid if you
want...it's a freewill.. :-D
Title: Re: Sikat = Pop = Baduy? Agree?
Post by: moogerfooger on March 29, 2008, 03:21:38 AM: ewan ko na..tagay na lang tyo :-D
Title: Re: Sikat = Pop = Baduy? Agree?
Post by: LouieAzcona on March 29, 2008, 08:05:26 AM: Quote from: chromeknive on March 28, 2008, 01:20:22 AM
Sikat = Pop = Baduy = WRONG

THE END.

naks!!!

:roll:
yheeehhss mhhhaahhhsster.
:roll:
Title: Re: Sikat = Pop = Baduy? Agree?
Post by: moogerfooger on March 29, 2008, 01:20:20 PM: yey..tapos na din :-D
Title: Re: Sikat = Pop = Baduy? Agree?
Post by: LouieAzcona on March 29, 2008, 08:37:48 PM: eh kasi nagsalita na si big brother.

:roll:
yes kuya
:roll:
Title: Re: Sikat = Pop = Baduy? Agree?
Post by: moogerfooger on March 29, 2008, 08:53:17 PM: yes po mga kuya.. :-)
Title: Re: Sikat = Pop = Baduy? Agree?
Post by: chromeknive on April 01, 2008, 02:29:07 AM: Quote from: LouieAzcona on March 29, 2008, 08:05:26 AM
naks!!!

:roll:
yheeehhss mhhhaahhhsster.
:roll:

Ang witty mo talaga.
Title: Re: Sikat = Pop = Baduy? Agree?
Post by: LouieAzcona on April 01, 2008, 05:13:16 PM: Quote from: chromeknive on April 01, 2008, 02:29:07 AM
Ang witty mo talaga.

8-)
thanks
8-)
Title: Re: Sikat = Pop = Baduy? Agree?
Post by: rockyteer on April 01, 2008, 05:29:49 PM: Not sikat = Not Pop = Not Baduy?? Disagree?

nanggugulo lang ako :-D :-D