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The Musician Forums => Music Technology & Pro Audio => Topic started by: voidmain on September 25, 2004, 03:03:59 PM
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Hey guys, need help sa setup ng maliit na home studio.
Ano bang mga kailangan at magkano ba ang kailangan ko munang ipunin? Total newbie po ako dito
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Kung computer-based with Windows or Mac OS and your computer has a USB port, just get a USB mixer controller (includes software), a pair of powered studio monitor loudspeakers, and a couple of good mics.
For dedicated recording equipment, just get a multi-track analog (tape) recorder, a pair of powered studio monitor loudspeakers, and a couple of good mics.
Hope this helps. :)
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Almost forgot, you'll need a listening room with good acoustics to setup up all those gear. This is very important. Also, buy a nice pair of studio headphones.
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Lexicon OMEGA (http://www.acousticfingerstyle.com/LexiconOmega.htm)
(http://img3.musiciansfriend.com/dbase/pics/products/24/245505.jpg)
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Thanks sa lahat ng nag-reply.
Meron bang local distributor nitong Lexicon Omega?
Tsaka meron pa bang ibang suggested hardware? Paki-sama na rin yung price niya. Thanks a lot
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I believe Audiophile distributes Lexicon in the Philippines....
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Paki-sama na rin yung price niya. Thanks a lot
P22,990 list price.
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tol i suggest mag digi 001 o digi 002 ka nalang.
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Hi Guyz! Im also A newbie here. Voidmain hows your studio, nakapag-set-up ka na ba? I suggest m-audio tol. I can help you sa mga products nila. And rode mics. Yung friend ko ang exclusive distributor ng m-audio and rode mics sa pilipinas. Gusto mo check out the web site m-audio.com. I guarantee those are professional products in a affordable price. reply ka lang if your interested.
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TASCAM US-122 is probably the most affordable and simplest desktop recording studio system available in the Philippines. It is distributed by Audiophile (http://www.audiophilecomponents.com) also. Check it out!
And for your microphone needs, you can't go wrong with SHURE.
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gusto mo ng low budget home studio with computer?
get a soundcard that can accept stereo line-ins or mic inputs, and has MIDI PORTS (pwede na ang Creative Extigy/Audigy series, less than P 10,000)
get a mic (SHure, around P3,000) and some good cables .
get a MIDI controller. If you have a keyboard already, it will probably have MIDI ports on it, hence, it can be used with the soundcard you got (that's why i said get one with MIDI PORTS)... But if you dont alreayd have a piano-type keyboard, get a USB powered one. (M-Audio Oxygen 8 controller, around P 5- 8,000 2nd hand)
get monitors. Kung di ka naman pro, OK na ang mga Altec Lansing 2.1 systems. (mga P 2 - 3,000)
get software that can record sound, edit, mangle and master the final product. Andaming freeware dyan. you shouldn't have to use pirated ones.
there's a version of TRACKTION that is free till dec 31, 2004. Download it here: http://www.mackie.com/tracktionpromo
and you're set.
all for about P 35,000, the price of a new computer.
as your skills becomes better, you can upgrade equipment later on.
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oh, and if you buy SHURE mics, make sure they're not fakes.
check this thread out:
http://talk.philmusic.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=3936
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if you're recording sound..
in my opinion it is always better to mic the output source rather than record directly into a PC or MAC.
in this case, say you want to record guitar tracks, put a mic in front of the amp, run the amp into even just a 4 track mixer.. and into your soundcard..
if you have a MAC, it's easier, just run the mixer into your mic input and you should be able to record into Garageband and get a decent "semi-professional" recording..
and yeah i agree.. you can't go wrong if you use shure mics.. but the cable that you use beween the mic and the mixer will also play a role. so buy a good mic but don't buy a cheap cable.
good luck!
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another great way to record your own stuff if through the application called
garageband by apple
http://www.apple.com/ilife/garageband/
sure you will need a mac for these wonderful app. macs are pretty cheap now.
http://www.apple.com/macmini/
once you have all this setup, you are good to go. all you need is talent :wink:
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if you're really really on a tight budget home studio here is a list of what you must have:
sound card: m-audio audiophile 2496
mixer: Behringer UB802 2 bus mixer or the UB1204 4 bus mixer
microphone: Shure SM57 dynamic microphone
midi controller: any keyboard with midi in and out will do
optional guitarport or something that you can record your guitar direcly into the pc.
sa software naman ikaw na bahala dumiskarte :D hehehe!
i personally use cakewalk sonar 3.0 great for recording audio and midi.
add a desktop pc with gigahertz processor and load it with at least 512 mb RAM
here are the distributors of:
behringer by joint venture
shure microphones by audiophile
m-audio by crystal audio & comm. tech inc.
hope this helps
cheers :D
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Interfacing Mics with Computers
Many users of computer sound cards purchase a professional microphone to improve upon the performance of the microphone included with the sound card. But because interconnection procedures in the computer world differ from those used in professional audio, it is not always easy to make a professional microphone work with a computer.
As is the case in most other aspects of computing, there are significant differences between the sound cards used with Apple and IBM-compatible computers. Additional information for users of Apple Macintosh computers is contained at the end of this document -- Interfacing Professional Microphones to Computer Sound Cards. (http://www.shure.com/support/technotes/app-soundcard.html)
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To VOIDMAIN!
They all right! My suggestions:
*get you a mac or pc
*digidesign MBox (This should be enough for the beginning) It has a focusrite pre-amp für mic,line) via USB > http://www.digidesign.com
*take a condensator mic 4 recordings (vocals) > Neumann/AKG/Brauner "Shure is ok but mostly used live on stage)
*speakers > Genelec,KRK,Yamaha NS-10,DynAudio etc.
* AND THE TALENT OF COURSE!
8)
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get an sblive card...the cheapest
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get an sblive card...the cheapest
yup and if you use a Mac garageband is free.. easiset home recording software i've ever used..
of course cakewalk home edition is easy too..
another suggestion would be:
M-audio reasonably priced too!
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Unfortunately the MAC is not free :)
But the Mac Mini will be sold soon in the Philippines (around P37K if bought locally, pero $500 lang sa USA) and that comes with iLife 2005 (which incorporates GarageBand).
That will be a more affordable Mac price for PC users, including home recording fanatics.
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sir ano po yung "FULL DUPLEX CAPABILITY" ng sound card..
does that mean you can simulteanously record tracks... ( 2 at the same time)
so kahit isa lang input ng line in.. if you got a mixer, you got 2 independent channels???
naiintindihan nyo ba?? :lol:
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and how do you remove the hiss... ?? as in habang your recording walang hiss... i dont want to use noise reducer e..
kung baka plug in..tapos la ng noise unless its your instrument..
sound card problem ba yun??
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sir ano po yung "FULL DUPLEX CAPABILITY" ng sound card..
does that mean you can simulteanously record tracks... ( 2 at the same time)
so kahit isa lang input ng line in.. if you got a mixer, you got 2 independent channels???
naiintindihan nyo ba?? :lol:
it means you can record and monitor at the same time..
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as your skills becomes better, you can upgrade equipment later on.
Tama ka tol!
Maniwala ka kay QED! Ang importante ay makagawa ng sarili mong music.
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ano kya mas maganda, bilin ko ung Lexicon Omega?? since its around 25k .. all in one na sya dba ?? mics nalang kulang.. kc im gonna be multitracking.. drums, bass and guitars... since 2 lang ung XLR input ng Omega... yan ung problema ko, I dont think ok ang 2 Overhead mics.. or 2 mics lang properly placed.. here comes my 2nd option..
get an audiophile 2496.. get a 1204-PRO(behringer) mixer probably.. then ung main outs nun lagay ko sa 2 XLR input ng Audiohpile. so bali lumalabas 2 tracks lang ung Drums ko.. pero madaming mics.. i can live with that since i can adjust the volume naman of each mic sa mixer. ano kya mas ok ? :?:
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check this out pare...
im selling some of my home studio stuffs. i upgraded na kasi.
naka audigy2 zs ako nung nakakabit yan... pero di ko pa bebenta eh
stuffs
http://talk.philmusic.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=7333
eto ang best solution pero it will cost you alot http://www.steinberg.de/Category_sb5ac6-3.html
kung gs2 mo subukan yung steinberg cubase program.
DOWNLOAD
http://rapidshare.de/files/2317697/Steinberg.Cubase.SX.v3.0.2.623-H2O.part1.rar.html
http://rapidshare.de/files/2318500/Steinberg.Cubase.SX.v3.0.2.623-H2O.part2.rar.html
http://rapidshare.de/files/2318959/Steinberg.Cubase.SX.v3.0.2.623-H2O.part3.rar.html
http://rapidshare.de/files/2319425/Steinberg.Cubase.SX.v3.0.2.623-H2O.part4.rar.html
MANUALS
Code:
ftp://ftp.pinnaclesys.com/Steinberg/download/Documents/Cubase_SX_3/
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Para sa drums naman apat na condenser mic lang ginamit namit. isang overhead, isang bass drums, isa para sa hi-hat and snare, isang overhead para sa toms.
pero suggestion ko mag digital ka na lang din. kung may mahihiraman ka ng roland keyboard workstation, mas ok kasi tunog nun. parang tunay na drums na. bigyan kita ng sampol mp3's na recorded ng band namin kung gs2 mo.
Enjoy !
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Regards
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Buy your software, man...what kind of crap are you trying to pull?
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pare ako penge sampol.., pero sana ung drums ung acoustic.., ung talagang drums at hindi midi or somthing.., thank you po! thanks!
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buy your gear - sorry excuses for a musician.....
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natutuwa ba kayo sa audigy or any creative na soundcards? feeling ko may latency issues sya, tsaka masyadong colored ang sound, ok siya pang multimedia applications pero pag sa recording pakiramdam ko talo
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yup.., mostly pang multimedia yang mga yan e.., although my versions ng soundblaster na kya ang 24-bit sabi nila hindi daw totoong 24-bit un.., ewan..
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I've just been on the phone with Jerwin aka the real Emogeek. He says he is not this character "Jerwin Tanda" who obviously has a beef with Jerwin and is doing things to discredit him and our Band in the lowest fashion imaginable. Kindly disregard any post by this character "JerwinTanda". Thanks. BAMF
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saan ba makakabili ng cheap directbox?
i saw a passive directbox sa Lazer shop here in alabang for only Php 900.
medyo mabigat siya.. pero nakakainis lang yung brand niya kasi Dinosaur naka tatak... and di rin ako sure sa quality ng directbox na yun.. also saw some directbox from behringer 2.7k yung price niya..
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peavey ID-1G - P2,590 (this is what i use. it is very dependable!)
dod VAC-260 - P2,600
samson S-direct - P1,800
samson S-direct plus - P2,300 (stereo)
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thanks!!! :)
is the samson S-direct and the peavey ID-1G available in audiophile?
anyway.. i'll try call them up later.. :)
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i just called up audiophile a while ago.. pero wala daw silang stock ng
samson S-direct and the peavey ID-1G they only have DOD brand na direct box which cost around 3.9k.. :( the samson S-direct is perfect for my budget pero walang stock.. baka meron pa kayo alam where to buy one.. thanks.. :D
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i just called up audiophile a while ago.. pero wala daw silang stock ng
samson S-direct and the peavey ID-1G they only have DOD brand na direct box which cost around 3.9k.. :( the samson S-direct is perfect for my budget pero walang stock.. baka meron pa kayo alam where to buy one.. thanks.. :D
peavey ID-1G stocks arrived 2 weeks ago. nasa bodega pa siguro.
shipment of samson S-direct is arriving soon.
dod VAC-260 is currently available for P2,600 only. you can ask the audiophile sales staff to order or pull-out the unit from other audiophile outlets.
Please hurry up because prices will increase starting jan. 1, 2006!
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peavey ID-1G stocks arrived 2 weeks ago. nasa bodega pa siguro.
shipment of samson S-direct is arriving soon.
dod VAC-260 is currently available for P2,600 only. you can ask the audiophile sales staff to order or pull-out the unit from other audiophile outlets.
Please hurry up because prices will increase starting jan. 1, 2006!
audiophile just replied to my email.. DOD VAC-260 is the only available direct box in their stores as of now. :( problem is i can't afford the dod due to budget constrains.. :( DOD VAC-260 is a passive direct box right? i'll try to wait for the samson S-direct.. what are the pros and cons of active and passive direct box? thanks in advance.. :)
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i just bought a passive direct box. im quite pleased with its performance..
remember the time that i posted the Dinosaur Direct Box.. i did try some researching and here's the manufacturer.. http://dinosauramps.com/home.htm from Eleca..
here's the picture i took a while ago.. (i tried my best following the shot angle hehehe.)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v400/aperture66/directbox.jpg)
and while digging more info about this direct box.. i found a very similar product from Nady Systems http://nady.com/products/product_pgs/adi1_pg2.html
here's the pic... (http://img3.musiciansfriend.com/dbase/pics/products/0/9/7/241097.jpg)
hmm they're very very similar.. even the input/output and the ground lift switches.. only thing different about the nady and the dinosaur directbox are the labels. and it only cost me P980.. hehehe
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May bagong labas ang Behringer FCA202, check nyo sa website. Baka i-introduce ng Yupangco or ED. Around less $100-, bundled with softwares and connection kits (firewire interface). Mukhang user-friendly.
May nakagamit na ba nito, any comments?
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wow. pwede na.. sana nga less than $100 siya.. always wanted to have a firewire audio interface... :lol:
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Wow. That's hot. I've been hunting around for a multi-track soundcard
I just recently completed a multitrack home recording setup using a cheap China 4-input powered mixer (4k,used as monitor amp as well as input submixer). My computer is a 2.4 Ghz Athlon running Adobe Audition. My soundcard is just a Soundblaster Live so I can only lay one track down at a time. The mixer has a built-in 20db attenuator and I know I should be using a direct box, but if the attenuator is engaged, it works fine and noiselessly when instruments (and their gadgets) are directly plugged into it.
By the way, my mics are so cheap, the best mic I have is a Hyundai mic (about 500 bux) which came with my videoke machine. The other two are Infiniti Stage mics about 350 bux each.
Real El Cheapo setup guys. But tell me what you think. Here's a sample final product from my humble home studio :
http://www.freewebs.com/emogeeks/ASO%20by%20The%20Emogeeks.mp3
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and how do you remove the hiss... ?? as in habang your recording walang hiss... i dont want to use noise reducer e..
kung baka plug in..tapos la ng noise unless its your instrument..
sound card problem ba yun??
Ground your equipment. Take a long piece of wire, attach it to a steel water pipe and then attach the other end to the case of your computer, mixer etc. Just this alone removes a great deal of hiss.
Then there's the issue of impedance and levels compatibility between your equipment. Let's just say, pag magkakagalit mga equipment mo, iingay ang output.
BAMF
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natutuwa ba kayo sa audigy or any creative na soundcards? feeling ko may latency issues sya, tsaka masyadong colored ang sound, ok siya pang multimedia applications pero pag sa recording pakiramdam ko talo
I'm using a Soundblaster card right now. I havent had better though, so I can't tell the difference, but all in all, for making demos and stuff, I've found it to be quite adequate.
The secret is to have a powerful computer so as to compensate for any latency issues. I converted a 1.2 GHz Duron to be a recording computer, but at the end of the songs, the freshly recorded track would "lag" the rest of the tracks. Looks like you need real beefy processor power to pull off home recording IMHO. I'm still tinkering around because I don't want to use my main computer for recording, I'll upgrade a few more stuff and let you know what happens.
BAMF
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I'm using a Soundblaster card right now. I havent had better though, so I can't tell the difference, but all in all, for making demos and stuff, I've found it to be quite adequate.
The secret is to have a powerful computer so as to compensate for any latency issues. I converted a 1.2 GHz Duron to be a recording computer, but at the end of the songs, the freshly recorded track would "lag" the rest of the tracks. Looks like you need real beefy processor power to pull off home recording IMHO. I'm still tinkering around because I don't want to use my main computer for recording, I'll upgrade a few more stuff and let you know what happens.
BAMF
hi BAMF.. what drivers are you using with your SB Live! ?
been using KX drivers for quite a while now and all i can say is that im happy with it with asio recording.. im just using an AthlonXP t-bred rig clocked at around 2.0Ghz with a generous amount of ram and my sb live seems to have no problem with latency issues.. :)
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I'm just using the drivers that came with the thing :D . I think I have to read up on what that ASIO thing is :D
BAMF
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try to listen to my recording.. gimme comments!!! about the sound quality.. and playing if pwede hahaha..
www.soundclick.com/dodo - sa compo 6 :D
i used 3 mics.. drum tracks recorded flat.. 1 kick mic, 1 snare mic, 1 LDC overhead.. :D
pahingi na rin tips on how to fix the recording, hehe.. i wanna compress the hell out of it but i dont know how LOL!
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I'm just using the drivers that came with the thing :D . I think I have to read up on what that ASIO thing is :D
BAMF
you should try using kx drivers with your sb live!.. :)
there are so many settings to tweak with this driver.. hehehehe
it also supports audigy series cards... these drivers were made to make music with.. yup ASIO support is a breeze with these drivers.. :)
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try to listen to my recording.. gimme comments!!! about the sound quality.. and playing if pwede hahaha..
www.soundclick.com/dodo - sa compo 6 :D
i used 3 mics.. drum tracks recorded flat.. 1 kick mic, 1 snare mic, 1 LDC overhead.. :D
pahingi na rin tips on how to fix the recording, hehe.. i wanna compress the hell out of it but i dont know how LOL!
ayus sir! galing magdrums ah! :D anyway i think the recording was good. for just 3 mics maganda ung labas niya. i think masmakakatulong kapag kuha ka pa ng isang overhead para stereo image ung drums mo. an yup try to compress the kick. medyo humihina at lumalakas. un lang naman. galing! :D oh puwede po bang kumuha ng specs ng drums na ginamit mo? at ung mics narin. thanks!
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hehe..
01' Pearl Export .. with 2 yr old Pinstripes (HAHAHA!)
8x9 10x9 Fernando Conert Toms
Cymbals : All Zildjian's
14" A New Beat Hi-Hats
10" A Custom Splash
18" A Custom Crash
18" K Custom Dark Crash
16" Oriental China Trash
22" L.E Platinum Ping Ride (Not ZXT!)
Mixer is Behringer UB-2222FXPRO
Mics are Behringer XM1800S for the Kick, XM1800S for the Snare and C-1 for the Overhead. HAHAHAH supot ng mics ko noh :D
na e-excite nga rin ako, once i get better mics ano kaya tunog nito :twisted:
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honestly, your kit sounds great man! keep it up! :D
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try to listen to my recording.. gimme comments!!! about the sound quality.. and playing if pwede hahaha..
www.soundclick.com/dodo - sa compo 6 :D
i used 3 mics.. drum tracks recorded flat.. 1 kick mic, 1 snare mic, 1 LDC overhead.. :D
pahingi na rin tips on how to fix the recording, hehe.. i wanna compress the hell out of it but i dont know how LOL!
The kick lacks beef. Try this site (http://www.saecollege.de/reference_material/index.html) for some pointers.
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yun nga e.. I wanna get a new mic nga for my Kick.. i want a beta 52 or d112 .. para at least naman maganda kick.. pati i think its in my muffling na rin e, kasi i use Remo Pinstripes with Remo Muff'ls pa so sobrang dead sya ...
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Try to get a couple of matching small diaphragm condensers, kahit ung mga MXL 993, for a stereo image of the set. That will improve the overall balance and add a sense of space. Tapos, relegate the LDC as an ambiance mic starting around 2 meters away from the kit and mix it in gradually. Your xm1800 are better suited to snares and toms (mas prefer ko SM57), pero mukhang bitin for the kick. The D112 is ok although I've heard from some who were dissatisfied with it; good alternative is the Audix D6 - saw one sa Park Square dati. You're right about the muffling - too much will kill a drum sound, you just want to prevent the head from resonating.
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guys...
san ba may cheap/good condenser mic dito sa pinas?
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cheap condenser mics... hmmm. electronic depot. the behringer ldc's sell for around 7k, the smaller ones might be a little cheaper. also there's audiophile. personally, i would rather purchase audio technica mics (japan made). mas consistent siguro tonog non, meaning hindi masyado magbabago quality over a long period of time. then there are also samson products thats sell for dirt cheap. so far ok naman yung samson headfones amp ko (luma na ilang beses na nalaglag pero ok na ok parin) so im guessing samson builds quality products kahit mura.
then of course if u really want a bargain look for second hand stuff.
by the way, Mr Litos Benavides is selling condenser microphones from the UK. mejo hindi ako familiar don sa brand kaya di ko naalala but i think theyre as cheap as the behringers. 7246138
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i just bought a passive direct box. im quite pleased with its performance..
remember the time that i posted the Dinosaur Direct Box.. i did try some researching and here's the manufacturer.. http://dinosauramps.com/home.htm from Eleca..
here's the picture i took a while ago.. (i tried my best following the shot angle hehehe.)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v400/aperture66/directbox.jpg)
and while digging more info about this direct box.. i found a very similar product from Nady Systems
hmm they're very very similar.. even the input/output and the ground lift switches.. only thing different about the nady and the dinosaur directbox are the labels. and it only cost me P980.. hehehe
hi! i was just browsing forums and been reading this topic... i'd like to ask what's this gadget (DIRECT BOX) for? i hope you wont mind answering my question. thank you!
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The Direct box or DI box is used for interfacing unbalanced cables (guitar/instrument cables) with balanced lines (usually mic cables). Unbalanced cables are usually good up to 5 or 6 meters, greater than that and it's either hum city or a radio antenna. Balanced cables use a principle called common mode rejection, which I won't go into here, but suffice to say they are excellent for long cable runs because of their ability to 'cancel out' noise. This was discussed at length in this thread (http://talk.philmusic.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=10352).
Just slightly OT: The quality of the matching transformer determines the transparency of a passive DI box. Poor quality transformers will color your sound. AFAIK, the best transformers available go by the Jensen name.
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hi! i was just browsing forums and been reading this topic... i'd like to ask what's this gadget (DIRECT BOX) for? i hope you wont mind answering my question. thank you!
here's a simple answer.
that gadget is for connecting an electronic musical instrument to a sound system thru a mic cable. also, a direct box splits an electronic musical instrument's signal into two -- one (balanced output) goes into a mixer and the other (parallel output) into an instrument amp.
hope this helps.
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Hi everyone! I've just found out about this forum from a friend of mine. And so far, I've learned so much from you guys. :) Though I'm really confused right now. I don't know where to start. I'm a newbie on DAWs. I just got my PC upgraded. Right now here's the setup:
AMD Athlon 64 3000+
200gb Seagate baraccuda SATA
Nvidia 6600V+ 512mb
1gb Twinmos RAM
Soundblaster Audigy with 4.1 speakers
Well, the current setup was really intended for video editing but then the other half of my heart goes to music. Sadly, I've been wanting to "set-up" a home studio. I've got the guitars, amps and drums. All I need now is a way for my band to record our stuff. Right now, I use Audition 1.5 as my recording software. Then the mic which is an old Audio Technica mic (I don't know the model since the mic badly beat up and the labels are fading out) is directly plugged into the soundcard of my computer. Probably the low-cost setup I want to setup (if possible that is) : connect at least 4 mics directly to the computer.
So first off my list of questions:
I want to change my soundcard. My budget for this is 5-10k. Suggestions are welcome. I practically don't know where to start right? But then I'm looking for an interface that accepts 4 inputs at once. The best option probably would be M-audio's Delta 44.
2) Of course, mics are important. I'm planning to get 2-4 SM57's and a mic for the bass drum (I don't know which is ok for the bass drum though). Budget would probably be 20-30k.
3) Mixer. Having a soundcard that accepts 4 inputs already, do I still need a mixer? Probably instead of getting a mixer, a USB Control Fader would replace it...But then that would be a future upgrade...
4) Studio Monitors. Now this I have no idea of what to take. Since I'm in a low budget and I don't need really loud monitor speakers what do you guys recommend?
5) Headphones. I have an AKG K-66 at home. Would that suffice?
6)Lastly, which would be much cheaper? a 2-in interface (USB,firewire or PCI) connected to a 4-in mixer. Or plainly, a 4-in interface? Or Probably an all-in-1 such as the Lexicon Omega?
Phew!!! I hope you guys can help me out on this. :)
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1. you need at least four simultaneous recording tracks at a time. you can use at least 4 mics for your drums -- kick, snare, floor, toms. im not sure about behringer products but they say they have a firewire interface coming out. Price: roughly 5K.
note that you shouldn't plug in the mics directly in your interface unless your interface comes with mic preamps. dedicated mic pre's can be expensive, so it's either you purchase behringer pre's (7k, the cheapest) or purchase a small mixer with four built-in mic preamps.
if you are recording with your band, you can either dedicate the four interface inputs to the four mics (kik, snare, toms, floor) so that you are able to mix each part separately (this can make a world of difference), or plug in the four mics in a mixer, mix the drums down to a stereo track, and then record that stereo mix thru 2 of your interface's line inputs. you can record bass and guitar amp using the other two inputs.
if you intend to use all four interface inputs on all four drum mics (which i highly recommend), you can directly plug in the guitars into your mixer to create a monitor mix (just a guide for the drummer and not to be recorded). this monitor mix should not leak into the four interface inputs at any time. proceed to record other parts when you're done with the drum tracks.
2. if budget is limited, get an sm 57 for the snare, a large diaphragm condenser for toms/overhead (there are some that sell under 10K), a large diaphragm dynamic for the floor tom, and another large diaphragm dynamic for the kick (akg d112 or a shure beta 52). this is how i've done my drums for years, panning floor hard left, and condenser hard right to create a pseudo stereo mix. for the budget, it works quite effectively.
3. a mixer with four mic pre's, four inserts, and aux sends would be a very convenient addition. the controller is a luxury if budget is limited.
4. i have used my old aiwa speakers for the longest. the thing is i know how they sound. i think that's what's most important, to familiarize yourself with your monitor speakers and know how theybehave in your room. i also use different headfones to check for abnormalities in the mix. but if budget permits, get a pair of studio grade monitors as these will reveal your errors better than home speakers, and some say they're less tiring on the ears. i'm getting professional monitors as well now that i am upgrading. there are M-audio bx5, bx8, then the KRK monitors, then the mackie too. contact crystal audio for m-audio stuff. contact mark lacay for mackie and and KRK monitors.
5. my favorite headfones to date are a pair of chinese made computer headfones (i have several brands). the bass is rich and the mids are quite hyped. they're not really very honest but they are not muddy like my other headphones. what's important is you know how these headphones sound on most music more or less. i used to have an AudioTechnica ATH FS (professional studio grade headphones) that conked out on me a few years ago. they cost around 5k. now i'd rather keep the 5k, use chinese-made earphones and still get good results :) (just make sure they are not muddy like a lot of other cheap cans).
6. um...
hope this helps!
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@noteworthy
You should be aware that some soundcards do not go well with SATA drives. M-Audio in particular does not play well with SATA. Try using an IDE drive for your OS and audio data.
You did not indicate your motherboard. Some soundcards absolutely hate the pcie bus and pcie video card, especially high powered video cards. Audio cards also NEED to be assigned their own unshared IRQ. The paucity of unshared IRQs in pcie mobos can be cause for a lot of hairpulling.
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mga sir.. ok din bang gamitin pang recording ung zoom g2.1u?
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my DAW has 2 SATA drives that I use as the main 2 drives for making music. they seem to work well with the 1010 under Nuendo and Cubase SX. I can't speak much for SX 2 or 1 since I skipped upgrading to those but the SATA works well under XP using SX 3 and Nuendo 2. I think it comes down to your motherboard chipset integrating well with the program itself. I built an AMD based machine for someone else which was not only a total pain but the GForce chipset was incompatible with the SATA based system he was looking to get.
I stuck with Intel all this time because the integration for such systems are much more bug free than the AMD variety which is just getting into the mainstream 64 bit arena.
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Part of the SATA problem stems from the use of Silicon Image SiL 31XX chipsets found on a lot of motherboards, both Intel and AMD. This chipset sits on the pci bus instead of communicating directly with the Northbridge. M-Audio seems to have a known problem with this configuration and some users have worked around the Sil chip by using a SATA pci card which uses a different chipset. I don't do SATA for now which is why I don't have any audio related problems. In any event, the MSI Neo2 Platinum mobo I'm using right now has been cleared for SATA by most DAW users, I'm just not taking any chances yet.
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bwahaha I'm freaking lost...dumudugo na ilong ko....
anyway, MSI RS480M2 ang motherboard ko...hmmm...
So far no problems with the computer...everything is working fine...I guess the only question now is whether the soundcard I'm upgrading to will be compatible.
What does the mic pre-amp do? Doesn't it just give the mics gain boost? The sound card I have right now has the +20db boost. Wouldn't that be enough? Do all sound cards / DAW interface have that boost?
From this point, if pre-amps are really needed...getting a dedicated preamp for the mics would definitely cost more...so for now, 4-in mixer combo (with mic preamps) stereo outputed to a 2-in PCI / firewire interface would be the better option...but then again, if I can make do without the preamps i'd go for the delta 44. If preamps are needed probably the Audiophile 2496 with a mixer. If this is the case then what mixer do you recommend? :) And will a 10k budget go for this part of the DAW? (soundcard and/or mixer)
Thanks a lot to everyone! :)
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10 k for mic pre/mixer and interface? hmmm perhaps if the interface is 2nd hand? there are mixers out there with 2 mic pre's that sell for 4k plus. but u need 4 right? try hunting for second hand units.
about mic preamps, maybe this will help:
http://www.tweakheadz.com/microphone_preamps.htm
a question for abyssonian and KitC. im not very familiar with hard disk recording (will be shifting from the roland vs-840 to hard disk recording via RME fireface800), will i need your SATA drives? what are SATA drives really? i gather they are not the same as IDE. what's the difference? will it affect the speed and number of simultaneous recording tracks if i get SATA? thanks.
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anyway, MSI RS480M2 ang motherboard ko...hmmm...
So far no problems with the computer...everything is working fine...I guess the only question now is whether the soundcard I'm upgrading to will be compatible.
What does the mic pre-amp do? Doesn't it just give the mics gain boost? The sound card I have right now has the +20db boost. Wouldn't that be enough? Do all sound cards / DAW interface have that boost?
Hmmm... the new Radeon chipset. Relatively untried for DAW use. I think it might go well with SATA although, to be be honest, you will now be our beta tester for this particular chipset. I have read reports that the new Uli chipsets were doing quite well for DAW use as well.
+20 db boost? Sounds like the typical mic input boost on a Soundblaster. While I started my DAW forays with a 'blaster, I'll be honest, a soundblaster just isn't suited for serious DAW work. Not all soundcards have the mic boost, or preamps. Even the 1/8" mic inputs on soundcards aren't standard balanced connections because one of the connections supplies +5VDC to the mic. I don't know if that power can be called phantom power, but phantom power is usually at 48V (I've heard the new european standard is 24v).
a question for abyssonian and KitC. im not very familiar with hard disk recording (will be shifting from the roland vs-840 to hard disk recording via RME fireface800), will i need your SATA drives? what are SATA drives really? i gather they are not the same as IDE. what's the difference? will it affect the speed and number of simultaneous recording tracks if i get SATA? thanks.
SATA drives are part of the new ATA spec; most new motherboards support it. Older IDE drives are now usually known as PATA or parallel ATA while SATA drives are serial ATA. SATA has higher speeds than PATA, the minimum spec now is 150 MB/sec as compared to 133 for PATA, the newer SATA II goes as high as 300 MB/sec. While it all looks good, some mobo/audio card combinations have proven to be problematic with SATA - one of the reasons I'm still all IDE, but that will change soon as I have done my research.
Hazel, the Fireface is only as good as firewire interface it will connect to. Most mobos use firewire 400 controllers while Gigabyte uses firewire 800 controllers; in particular, Gigabyte uses a Texas Instruments firewire chipset which is purportedly better for firewire. I'd stay away from pcie mobos for DAW work but if you have no choice, use a low powered video card; stay away from the 6800/7800/GTs - video has a nasty way of hogging the pci bus. I'd take a look at RME's Hardware Compatibility Problems (http://www.rme-audio.com/english/techinfo/fw800alert.htm) to help make life easier.
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thanks Kit. Found the rme page very informative.
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right-o, i second the thorough checking for compatibility issues. when I built the NVidia based machine for someone, they didn't know that SATA and NVidia has yet to resolve its compatibility issues. For this reason, I have stuck with ASUS and Abit boards because their support tends to be a lot more up to date as far as integration goes. i've looked into my next upgrade components and I will most likely be going with a 1066 bus Asus board coupled with a GeForce 7800 UNLESS Radeon comes out with a video card capable of dual DVI for my 2 LCD monitors. As of late, Matrox, my previous video card choice, does not offer a card with a big enough bus to keep my video editing from reaching a bottle neck and Radeon has yet to do produce a card that uses 2 digital monitor outs.
Hazel, SATA is not a requirement for DAW's really although it is a tad bit faser than IDE. I figure, since I have had good experiences with my IDE drives, I never did a complete overhaul of my HD components. Sound on Sound magazine did a shootout between E-IDE and SATA a while back and they reported an insignificant margin between both types of drives for music recording. As long as you have robust and dependable drives no slower than 7200 RPM, you should fare well for most video and audio editing tasks. Right now, my system doesn't hang at all with a 4 GB of RAM and 1.2 terabytes of HD space. But just to make sure you don't have an unfortunate hang in the middle of a session, streamline your DAW to use the bare minimum of programs. If you don't use it, chuck it out. I uses a mix of Seagate Barracuda and Hitachi Deskstar drives on my recording rig and they have worked very well.
Good luck on your upgrade, let us know how it turns out.
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thanks abyssonianson. well i suppose i'll stick to IDE then (much cheaper). about the firewire, i couldn't seem to determine the chip on the ones they sell at the local computer shop so i bought one anyway and decided to go the hit and miss route.
everything installed in a jiffy. very painless. a lot less painless than getting the us-2400 running (that one required a bit of hair-pulling). Total Mix DSP seems to be running smoothly. But the true test would be recording 20 tracks at one time or mixing down. let's see if my pentium box can handle that.
but ... 4 Gigabytes of RAM?? :shock: wow. double wow. do i need that much? as of now my processor is 2.4 Gig, but im planning to get 3.0 up next month or so. i was looking at 1 gig ram. i don' know. maybe i need 2? i usually end up mixing more than 24 tracks (sometimes 32 up), doing a lot of mics per guitar (around 3-4). so if there are 4 guitar tracks (which isn't uncommon), the total number of guitar tracks amount to 12-16 sometimes (hairy).
what's your processor? do you think 2 gig will suffice?
thanks for all your input.
hazel
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by all means, 2 gig should be more than enough especially if you run an audio app only computer. i apologize for the confusion. I was just providing an example based on my machine. I use 4 GB because I do video editing as well as audio recording. 24/ 32 tracks should be OK if you are ruunning 2 GB of RAM.
i've pretty much stuck to using a minimum of 2 mics per guitar because I record direct as well in addition to the mic inputs. i found that i was able to avoid phase problems by using 2 mics at different distances from the cab and then taking advantage of blending the mic mixdown with a DI tone for sharper attack. i admit i am a valve sound nazi of sorts and i try to mic guitars with as much of an "in your face" warm sound as possible. for acoustic stuff, i usually record acoustic guitar in stereo and add a room mike for ambience.
I am actually in the process of shopping for a Palmer amp cabinet simulator that I will be using to substitute for my usual guitar DI route. I found out about the Palmer after checking out how Joe Satriani records his guitar amps at full throttle without amp cabinets.
I have a Pentium 4 3.2 right now that works well for most of the stuff I am doing. however, the video load I do sometimes provides to be too taxing for my video card which is why I am looking to upgrade soon to a PCI-e 512MB card soon.
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i see.
palmer? i'll check that one out. but it's really hard to acquire these botique items anyway. i was looking at a mesa rectifier recording pre but i dont have any means of getting one even if the budget allows. bummer.
good luck on your palmer. so far i have tested the fireface with nuendo and cubase and whaddayaknow, it works. i still havent tested the converters yet, just the setup. so far so good.
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good news that your stuff works. i dont know if people would consider the Palmer cab simulators as boutique stuff since it has very few competitors out there. it is definitely a piece of outboard gear, for sure. the model i am lookingat is the Palmer PDI-03 and the thing, I found out, is found in Germany or something. i haven't found one yet but I will repoprt what it sounds like when I get it.
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Mga sir nice thread here! :D
Gusto ko sanang magtanong kung pano or anong gadget ang puede sa simple acoustic recording lang. Guitars, percussion box and mic lang ang gamit. Tapos sa PC ang tweeking. I tried a PC mic to know the output pero lakas ng hissing sound/noise.
Any suggestions? Patulong naman po :lol:
Thanks mga sir! 8)
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Gusto ko sanang magtanong kung pano or anong gadget ang puede sa simple acoustic recording lang. Guitars, percussion box and mic lang ang gamit. Tapos sa PC ang tweeking. I tried a PC mic to know the output pero lakas ng hissing sound/noise.
Note in your requirements, all three elements require microphones. Even if the guitar is acoustic electric, having a mic to capture the string/body sound from the 12th fret is what defines an acoustic guitar. Start with good dynamic mics such as Shure SM-57/58's. Don't get the chinese knockoffs, get the real thing. As your hearing becomes more discerning, you can upgrade your mics to condensers.
What you need also is a mixer to tie in those mics. Since the mixer is stereo line level out, just the right cable to interface the mixer to the line level inputs of your souncard should be enough.
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Gusto ko sanang magtanong kung pano or anong gadget ang puede sa simple acoustic recording lang. Guitars, percussion box and mic lang ang gamit. Tapos sa PC ang tweeking. I tried a PC mic to know the output pero lakas ng hissing sound/noise.
Note in your requirements, all three elements require microphones. Even if the guitar is acoustic electric, having a mic to capture the string/body sound from the 12th fret is what defines an acoustic guitar. Start with good dynamic mics such as Shure SM-57/58's. Don't get the chinese knockoffs, get the real thing. As your hearing becomes more discerning, you can upgrade your mics to condensers.
What you need also is a mixer to tie in those mics. Since the mixer is stereo line level out, just the right cable to interface the mixer to the line level inputs of your souncard should be enough.
Thanks for the quick reply KitC :D
I'll take note of what you said. Saan po ok bumili ng Shure mics? (yep, the chinese knockoffs are not so reliable) What can you suggest po na mixer? I think behringer lang ang afford ko (tama ba mura sya?), ok ba sila? About the B-CONTROL AUDIO BCA2000, is it sufficient or correct me kung mali ako?
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http://www.behringer.com/BCA2000/index.cfm?lang=ENG
Thank you! :D
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About the B-CONTROL AUDIO BCA2000, is it sufficient or correct me kung mali ako?
One thing I cannot understand about the BCA2000 is that, for a USB 2.0 device, it only supports 3 analog inputs (1 mono + 1 stereo) when used in conjunction with digital inputs. I'm not even sure if the 2 mic inputs are available simultaneously. It is, however, an audio interface so it will probably have better audio than a cheap soundcard. If you need mixing flexibility and multiple inputs, a standard mixer might be more suited to your needs.
I'm not a snob when it comes to affordable mixers but it's best to give them a listen. I've found Behri mixers to be somewhat edgy and have other qualities I won't go into. I'm more particular towards Mackie because they're more silent although more expensive. One test I like to do with mixers is to have everything at unity gain then I slowly bring up each fader to hear where the noise floor starts. My standard is that with everything at unity, the unit should be at least silent - you'd be amazed at how many mixers fail this test.
You can get SM57s and 58's at Audiophile and other stores but you might have to stagger your spending a bit especially if you're on a budget. It's well worth the expense, though. In a pinch, you can try the Behringer dynamics but always try them out first. Same with the Sennheiser evolution series.
If you want to try out affordable condensers, check them out with vocals and acoustic guitar. Make sure the mixer you're getting supports phantom power for condensers. Don't forget the peripherals also like mic stands and good mic cables. Pop filters you can easily make with embroidery hoops and stockings (black recommended preferably unused).
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About the B-CONTROL AUDIO BCA2000, is it sufficient or correct me kung mali ako?
One thing I cannot understand about the BCA2000 is that, for a USB 2.0 device, it only supports 3 analog inputs (1 mono + 1 stereo) when used in conjunction with digital inputs. I'm not even sure if the 2 mic inputs are available simultaneously. It is, however, an audio interface so it will probably have better audio than a cheap soundcard. If you need mixing flexibility and multiple inputs, a standard mixer might be more suited to your needs.
I'm not a snob when it comes to affordable mixers but it's best to give them a listen. I've found Behri mixers to be somewhat edgy and have other qualities I won't go into. I'm more particular towards Mackie because they're more silent although more expensive. One test I like to do with mixers is to have everything at unity gain then I slowly bring up each fader to hear where the noise floor starts. My standard is that with everything at unity, the unit should be at least silent - you'd be amazed at how many mixers fail this test.
You can get SM57s and 58's at Audiophile and other stores but you might have to stagger your spending a bit especially if you're on a budget. It's well worth the expense, though. In a pinch, you can try the Behringer dynamics but always try them out first. Same with the Sennheiser evolution series.
If you want to try out affordable condensers, check them out with vocals and acoustic guitar. Make sure the mixer you're getting supports phantom power for condensers. Don't forget the peripherals also like mic stands and good mic cables. Pop filters you can easily make with embroidery hoops and stockings (black recommended preferably unused).
That's great!
I understand completely what you mean about the BCA2000. Well a standard mixer is indeed a good choice. Would Behri or Mackie have below P15k good mixers? Really a newbie when it comes to these awesome devices. :? By the way, nice way to test the mixers. I really learned from that. 8)
I would also take your advice about the SM57s and 58 mics, although I'll take a peek on the Behringer peripherals. :wink:
Hehe! Yup on the "unused" black stockings sir! :D
Thanks ALOT!!!
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Would Behri or Mackie have below P15k good mixers?
The Behri's, probably yes because they have 8- and 10-channel models. Mackie's lowest model is the 1202 VLZ which was already past 18K last time I asked. There are brands out there like Yamaha's MG 10/2 and 8/2FX although I don't know about their availability. Sadly, our choices here are woefully limited (as an example, I just learned that there are no dual core Opterons slated for the local market :cry: ).
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How about Tapco mixers by Mackie?
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I would opt for the mackie and the yamaha because of their preamps over the behringer.
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I wholly agree with abyss. I'm a Mackie fan myself. Would have opted for the 1202 but my Emu allowed me to go mixerless for now. What I would like from Mackie are their HR824's. The Tapco's are interesting... Sir Tarkuz, could you pm me your MSRP for their small format mixers and monitors? You also wouldn't happen to have Mackie's C4 control surface? TIA.
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Would Behri or Mackie have below P15k good mixers?
The Behri's, probably yes because they have 8- and 10-channel models. Mackie's lowest model is the 1202 VLZ which was already past 18K last time I asked. There are brands out there like Yamaha's MG 10/2 and 8/2FX although I don't know about their availability. Sadly, our choices here are woefully limited (as an example, I just learned that there are no dual core Opterons slated for the local market :cry: ).
Thanks! :D
Sad reality about dual cores.. :(
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Tube,
You should inquire with Sir Tarkuz about their Tapcos - loads better than the Behris. Even I'm interested! :D
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Good one! :lol: I will, Thanks KitC :D
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Kit, im also looking at the HR 824's. have you heard them? can you give me some feedback about how they sound? thanks.
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Kit, Abyss
I want to build a PC DAW. A few of questions
1. What motherboard would you recommend for PC DAW?
2. What memory brand?
3. Pro tools Mbox or a separate audio interface(M-Audio??) and a separate software?
4. Is ACID good enough?
5. Fruity Loops for drum loops?
For multi-track recording sana. pero personal use lang. Like record my bass, some vocals, some drum loops. Just enough to get me started
TIA
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I've found Behri mixers to be somewhat edgy and have other qualities I won't go into.
i notice that also kit. i compared my ub 2222fx with my brother's peavey rq2318 and the peavey sounded smoother and fuller.
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Kit, im also looking at the HR 824's. have you heard them? can you give me some feedback about how they sound? thanks.
Unfortunately, I haven't had time to check them out but I heard they have quite a bass extension - must be because of the passive speaker at the back. This monitor was designed not to be placed near or right next to a wall.
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Kit, Abyss
I want to build a PC DAW. A few of questions
1. What motherboard would you recommend for PC DAW?
2. What memory brand?
3. Pro tools Mbox or a separate audio interface(M-Audio??) and a separate software?
4. Is ACID good enough?
5. Fruity Loops for drum loops?
For multi-track recording sana. pero personal use lang. Like record my bass, some vocals, some drum loops. Just enough to get me started
TIA
Normally I avoid VIA chipsets as my past experience with them have just been plain bad. I can highly recommend Nforce mobos but Intel chipsets will do just as well. You also want a mobo that is a bit future proof. That means Athlon 64 939 mobos and Pentium 775 cores, preferably those that can accept dual core technologies as they become affordable. The problem with existing cpu technologies such as the K7 and 754 sockets for AMD, and the 478 socket for Intel is that production has been stopped for these cpus (754 production will cease this year, I think). Price per power comparisons put the advantage on AMD systems, however.
Memory brands? The choices we have locally are very limited. If you can afford a Corsair, I'd say go for it but I'm having success with the Geils I'm using. Kingstons are also good.
The Mbox is usb 1.1 and the converters are not exactly top notch. If it comes with Protools, thats a good headstart but addons to PT are expensive. M-Audio makes good interfaces, abyss has a couple of 1010's.
Acid is a looping software. I haven't used it much as Sonar just plain works for me. Some people swear by Fruity Loops and it's OK if you like to work with pattern-based sequencers, plus it also records audio. It's just me but I wasn't blown away by their demo. Try Kristal Audio Engine and Audacity if you want recording software without spending a cent. I'm going to go back to Audacity because I just found out you can have tracks with different samplerates each - even Sonar doesn't do that!
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thanks Kit! i'll look into those.
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hehe..
01' Pearl Export .. with 2 yr old Pinstripes (HAHAHA!)
8x9 10x9 Fernando Conert Toms
Cymbals : All Zildjian's
14" A New Beat Hi-Hats
10" A Custom Splash
18" A Custom Crash
18" K Custom Dark Crash
16" Oriental China Trash
22" L.E Platinum Ping Ride (Not ZXT!)
Mixer is Behringer UB-2222FXPRO
Mics are Behringer XM1800S for the Kick, XM1800S for the Snare and C-1 for the Overhead. HAHAHAH supot ng mics ko noh :D
na e-excite nga rin ako, once i get better mics ano kaya tunog nito :twisted:
sir nice.. setup medyo kulang nga sa bass newai ..
question po . .panu connect ung mixer sa pc ?? line out ng mixer to line in ng pc ?? bali single track lng ba un drums pg record sa pc ??
tnx more power sa lahat
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Cheapest way to setup a 2-track/one stereo channel home recording studio is to get an M-Audio Audiophile 24/96 soundcard and pair it with a Behringer UB802. They're the cheapest combination you can find. Of course you are limited to recording a stereo track at a time but it's much better than having one of those SB cards which were not really designed for recording.
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tube hindi ka ba interested sa guitar pick up na kinakabit sa acoustic? instead na i mic mo parang mas cost effective yun kung quality of recording ang pag uusapan. fishman pickups maganda ang tunog pero me mas mura pa dun sigurado ako.
kinawawa naman yung fave kong behringer ah.. actually yung unang labas ng behringer na eurodesk na KOPYA ng Mackie in ALL aspects- size, color at knobs eh actually mas maganda pa ang tunog kaso na demanda sila ng mackie.at nagbayad sila ng malaki kasama pa yung store na nagbenta ..pero yung labas ngayon...mukhang hindi na nga.. :cry:
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DELTA 1010 ..da bes para sa price!!!! 199.95$ get it while its available.
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teka sabi mo di ba MALIIT na home studio.. tapos nakikita ko Neumann mics?? saka Genelec speakers? namamalikmata ba ako?? Neumann mics e pinakamura e 1000$ saka yung genelec e 3000$ o 4000$ hehehehe :roll:
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i just bought a passive direct box. im quite pleased with its performance..
remember the time that i posted the Dinosaur Direct Box.. i did try some researching and here's the manufacturer.. http://dinosauramps.com/home.htm from Eleca..
here's the picture i took a while ago.. (i tried my best following the shot angle hehehe.)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v400/aperture66/directbox.jpg)
and while digging more info about this direct box.. i found a very similar product from Nady Systems http://nady.com/products/product_pgs/adi1_pg2.html
here's the pic... (http://img3.musiciansfriend.com/dbase/pics/products/0/9/7/241097.jpg)
hmm they're very very similar.. even the input/output and the ground lift switches.. only thing different about the nady and the dinosaur directbox are the labels. and it only cost me P980.. hehehe
dre, tanung po...san at magkano mo po bili direct box mo?salamat ...gbu
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Just chiming in for Tapco mixers (Mix260FX) they're pretty good for the money... VERY durable.
They're also great for live reinforcement... construction is really impressive for the price range.
Sliders feel a lot heavier than almost any other mixer in the same price range. None of that loose clikity-clak feel.
check out their line up at www.tapcoworld.com
Audiophile carries Tapco
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bindoy,
Can you please edit your sig? It's taking up too much vertical space. - strike 1...
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ask lang po ako about recording gears and set up
here is my gears
MIXER BEHRINGER 2442FX
DRUMS,MIC,GUITAR N BASS AMP (COMPLETE NA)
PC (WALA PANG SOUNDCARD & REC. SOFTWARE)
ANO PA PO ANG MGA KULANG FOR RECORDING STUFFS?...
SALAMAT PO
http://www.blackboxstudio.cjb.net
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ANO PA PO ANG MGA KULANG FOR RECORDING STUFFS?...
Yun recorder? It doesn't matter kung pc or other media ang recording machine mo, without it, you're just a practice studio. Decide on whether you want to go the pc route (you will need a multi input soundcard and software) or a hardware recorder such as the Fostex VF-16 or Korg D-16. Add to that mics, cables, compressors, effects boxes, monitors, amplification system, headphones, headphone amps, etc...
Btw, stop typing in all CAPS, it's too loud.
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what you need for recording:
1. microphones -
small diaphragm dynamics (shure sm 57's and the like)
large diaphragm dynamics (shure beta 52, AKG D112, Senheiser 421 MD etc for the kick ansd bass cabs, and big floor toms)
small diaphragm condensers (pair for drum overheads)
Large diaphragm condensers (shure ksm 27, AT 4040, AT 4050 etc.)
2. Preamps with phantom power for your mics
1 mic = 1 preamp
3. XLR cables for your mics and cables from your pre's going to your recorder
4. Recorder - either stand alone or a PC DAW (highly recommended, very flexible)
PC with enough RAM
Audio Interface such as the M-audio delta 1010 or tascam FW1884
5. Recording software and plug in's - cubase sx, nuendo, PT, etc.
6. optional DAW controller
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bindoy,
Can you please edit your sig? It's taking up too much vertical space. - strike 1...
sorry po ulet sir...sir, nga pala panu ba maglagay sa avatar?sensya na po ulet...salamat gbu
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bindoy,
Can you please edit your sig? It's taking up too much vertical space. - strike 1...
sorry po ulet sir...sir, nga pala panu ba maglagay sa avatar?sensya na po ulet...salamat gbu
No probs...
Go to your profile and just enter a link to your avatar. You can use photobucket.com to store your off-site images and just copy the link/s provided there - use the url link.
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May bagong labas ang Behringer FCA202, check nyo sa website. Baka i-introduce ng Yupangco or ED. Around less $100-, bundled with softwares and connection kits (firewire interface). Mukhang user-friendly.
May nakagamit na ba nito, any comments?
i have this one, maganda yong features pero di ko ginagamit yong software nila, i used sonar 4, dito rin nakakabit yong behringer UB2442fx na mixer for drum miking, ok siya men!
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I used to have this setup:
Cool Edit pro
A simple PC with a built-in soundcard
and electronic instruments to plug in
im planning to expand this so that my band can record simultaneously, but i want each instrument to go into separate tracks
is this possible with just a mixer? or do i need a special soundcard with several line inputs?
Thanks
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yes spilled milk. you need an audio interface for this. ordinary sound cards capture only 2 tracks at a time, which is hardly enough for drums. if you're planning to setup for a full band recording, expect to purchase the basics, which are the following:
1. overhead condenser mics (pair, needs phantom power)
2. kick mic
3. snare mic
4. audio interface with at least four inputs
5. 4 mic pre amps (pwedeng from a mixer, pwedeng dedicated mic pres, pwedeng built in na dun sa audio interface na bibilin mo)
thats probably the setup that can give you a proper stereo image for your drums, while keeping the kick and snare distinct.
if you find this too costly, you may opt to hire a studio to capture your drum and vocal tracks, then record the rest of the band track by tack at home, and mix the songs yourself. this is what others on a tight budget actually do.
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...thanks starfugger.
followup question lang. by "audio interface with four inputs"...you mean a soundcard with four holes on it...ryt? and probably my cool echo software has the capability to allocate those inputs to separate tracks?
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yes spilled milk. holes that can either accomodate line level signals (signals which will probably come form yuor mixer) or microphone signals. the ones with built in mic pre's are ideal so that you need not worry about getting external mic pre's. all you need to do is plug in your microphones' XLR connectors directly into the xlr input of your interface.
yes, you may allocate inputs of your software according to hardware inputs.
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followup question lang. by "audio interface with four inputs"...you mean a soundcard with four holes on it...ryt? and probably my cool echo software has the capability to allocate those inputs to separate tracks?
At the very least, you need something that looks remotely like this:
(http://www.m-audio.com/images/global/product_pics/big/delta_44.jpg)
Yeah, most soundcards today have a plethora of 'holes' or rather, jacks, but if you look closely, they're mostly outputs, especially if you're referring to consumer cards that offer 5.1 or 7.1 connectivity. They usually only have a stereo input and often, when using full 7.1 capability, you sometimes sacrifice the inputs.
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thanks alot...lumilinaw lahat ng kalabuan ng buhay ko...hehe
I was looking at the older posts...
where can i get these: "Audio Interface such as the M-audio delta 1010 or tascam FW1884"
If i get a PC built for me, can a normal PC shop get these stuff for me?
one more thing, does this things help in eliminating the "i hear the sound of the computer on the recording"-issue.
i experienced this on my last setup....i think it was the fans or the monitor
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spilledmilk... 95% of computer shops wouldn't even know what you're talking about. The people that carry these interfaces are usually music stores.
Crystal Audio carries M-Audio/Protools
Warren Robles carries Digidesign/Protools
Forerunner carries Mackie
Audiophile carries Tascam/Tapco
And I think Yupangco carries Roland
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Whenever a computer gets spec'ed out for recording, it usually is referred to as a Digital Audio Workstation, or DAW. What differentiates a DAW from ordinary computers are that they are purpose-built machines with some not-so-common parts. Depending on your needs (and budget), you sometimes build a DAW for a specific purpose like tracking only, midi workstations, or audio and video post production. Each has its own optimizations and peripheral specifications.
Will an ordinary pc shop be able to build one for you? Probably not, and they will use the cheapest parts they can get to increase their profit margin. Professional multi-input soundcards for recording are also not available locally in quantity so you will most likely have to order that from abroad or get in contact with the guys jplacson mentioned.
A great deal of DAW owners (me included) sometimes build their own computers because it allows them to choose parts to their specifications. Always let the software you intend to use and how you want to record determine the DAW configuration. Software manufacturers usually list hardware that are compatible for their products - never build according to minimum spec! Lurk around in some of the DAW software forums and you will often see recommendations from users about stable hardware configurations.
Like I said earlier, the intended use determines the hardware configuration. For example, for tracking multiple sources, you will want a minimum of 4 inputs (like the card shown above) to as many as 16 or more. The more inputs in the card, the more expensive - the soundcard shown in my previous post lists for $199, while the card in my sig cost me $599, for example. A studio designed for midi tracking will have a different spec DAW especially if it is designed to run a lot of software synths (lots of RAM) while multiple inputs are not that necessarily important.
Lastly, the ancillary and auxiliary hardware that are also important but hardly get noticed. Of course there are the microphones, preamps and effects units, but there are also the cables, mic stands, pop filters, and other small items that make up a 'small' recording studio. :shock:
Hope this clarifies things.
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If you're not the type who likes building your own computer, then a good option is to go Mac.
2-4 channel recording isn't really that taxing on any modern computer. In fact, any computer now, with a clean install of Windows (no McAfee, Norton crap) will handle 4 tracks no sweat. With even 768MB RAM... although this is bare minimum... if you have ANYTHING else running in the background you may experience errors. 1GB will get you by comfortably.
If you want to set up a major multi-track machine (8 tracks and up)... then it gets a bit more serious.
**Important note... building a "gaming machine" with your overclocked AMD isn't the same as building a DAW or a video editing machine.**
The biggest difference is that DAW/video machines go for STABILITY over raw performance. Pointless having a screaming fast machine if it crashes everytime you hit record. Serious DAW/video computers do not play Doom or Wow very well. So don't think you can build some hybrid machine... it won't work.
Another thing is the hard drive. Although most current hard drives on the market today (even IDE) can handle 16 multi-track recordings at 24/48... maybe even more (I haven't been able to verify this so those that have tried 24/96 on a single IDE, please chime in). Considering that firewire 400 can handle well over 48 24/96 tracks, I don't see why a well built firewire drive can't do the same. The difference between your regular IDE and an uber SCSI drive is response time. SCSI drives don't sleep or spin down so response to "record" is instant. IDE has about 1/2 delay. No biggie if you just like letting the 'tape' roll.
How drives are physically connected to the bus system is important as well. On a firewire system, you're probably limited to 2 external FW drives + your interface. On a desktop system, try using SATA or ultra-SCSI whenever you can. But SCSI is getting kinda dated and expensive... support isn't as extensive... and in a clean DAW, 2-4 dedicated SATA drives will be more than enough. Take note also of the order of attachement on the IDE or SATA cable. Ideally, your storage drives are on a separate bus than your system drive. Connect your CD/DVD drive to the system drive cable. Let the storage drives have their own bus.
Graphics.. please do not get the latest/greatest Gaming card. These are great for games and non-critical apps.. but not for video or audio editing. Mainly because game card manufacturers sacrifice stability for raw power. They overclock cards and chips to gain 2fps more than the next guy. A video card with stable release drivers that are approved for your DAW software are your best bet.
Mobo... I've always preferred Asus with the Intel chipsets for my PC based stuff. Surf on approved mobos based on the audio software you want to use.
RAM... some people say it matters... personally, I haven't noticed any performance difference at all. It's either it passes error checking or it doesn't. Run your Mobos parity check every few weeks... you'd be surprised how running your computer a lot can wear out RAM. Better brands do last longer though and are more stable at higher clock speeds.
Always keep your software up to date... Windows or Mac. Use stable drivers not alpha or beta releases... unless you're willing to risk a crash. Do NOT install MS Office if you're on a Windows platform. In fact, if you're running a Windows machine, try not to install anything else except your DAW software, and maybe an audio editing app... nothing else. If you can unplug the thing from the net even better (download software updates on another PC, or just connect to update)
Mac users don't really have to dedicate a machine except if system drives are low on space. OSX doesn't carry much TSR type apps.. if you kill it... it's dead. Not running in the background. Macs are also built pre-matched. So system components are tested and controlled by Apple... if a software company says their program will run on a Mac... it will run on a Mac... period. Actually, good software companies even program their apps to NOT run at all if your system doesn't meet the minimum system requirements to perform the task up to THEIR MINIMUM standards.
Cooling... most A/V computers are in airconditioned rooms with at least 2 fans (one intake, one exhaust... good cases take into consideration airflow. Bad cases just have fan holes everywhere with no airflow dynamics) Elan-Vital and Lian-Li make some of the best DIY cases. Cheap cases are made of thin metal (or worse, plastic.. like the ones with the plexi-glass windows) which doesn't conduct heat very well and doesn't keep internals cool. You'll need more fans to keep cheap cases cool.
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thanks sa lahat. malinaw na ang lahat. $$$ lang talaga ang katapat. hehe.
i'll be looking up the tascams at audiophile.
a Pc, a mixer, a few mics i guess would be enough for a beginner like me. Just want to record my band's stuff for demo and study purposes...saka na cguro yung 'big professional' stuff.
salamat talaga
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If you intend to just record basic stuff, stereo (2 tracks only)... just for demo, or for you guys to share with your friends kind of thing... then that's doable at a fairly decent budget.
I'd like to personally recommend Tapco (Mackie's answer to Behringer) mixers. They're cheap, and good (you technically get the same pres as the Mackie VLZ line, except they're assembled in China) If you don't have a good soundcard, you can even get their Blend 6 USB interface, it's a mixer/soundcard all-in-one. Comes with recording software already I think.
And for mics, Shure's PG line is really great. Among the budget/entry level mics, these are my fav. They're cheap, durable, and sound good. **personal comparison against their SM line, the PG series isn't as sensitive and doesn't put out as hot a signal.**
Another brand to look at is Behringer. Considering your use, this may be a good option. Behringer stuff sounds really good. A lot of people have even commented that their ADA8000 sounds better than (or as good as) Focusrite's Octopre or the Digi002. (Google it... I was surprised to read remarks like this... apparently, consensus is, use an external clock) .. who knows? Maybe Berry makes better rack gear than they do mixers? The ONLY reason I'm not too fond of Behringer is their durability. You kinda have to REALLY take care of their stuff. This is kinda hard for road gigs. But for home studio..or even regular studio use... as long as you don't keep moving their stuff around, things will be ok. They seem to perform 2x above their price category. Their mics also rust easily... this may just be cosmetic... but it's still annoying.
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Mga sir,
Im also a newbie but have little knowledge in sound mixing. Gusto ko lang po magtanong tungkol dun sa analog mixer>audio interface card to pc and software. Pano po b magrecord ng band? Is it all going in at the same time? Ex. drums,2guitar,bass gtr. and keyboard pano po ito lahat papasok sa pc at the same time kung halimbawa gagamitin ay creative sound card lang muna o kaya ay yung behringer- fca202? pano ito mailalagay sa mga individual tracks ito ng software for further editing ang balancing. Pasensya na po nagtatanong lang.
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ojotek, you need a multi-channel audio interface with separate inputs for all your instruments if you want to put those instruments in different tracks. for example you want to record 4 drum channles (kick, snare, 2 overheads), 2 guitars, 1 bass, and 1 vocals ALL AT THE SAME TIME, then u need an interface with at least 8 line/mic inputs (if the interface has line inputs only, then u still need separate mic preamps for all your mics --- mixers normally have mic preamps). If you are using a creative soundblaster sound card, then you have no choice but to mixdown all your mixer channels to two tracks (stereo, Left and Right), and then record those 2 tracks using your soundblaster's line input. alternately, u may choose to record a stereo track of the drums first, then 2 guitars during the second pass (overdub), etc etc until you get all the audio u need onto separate tracks. but there is no way you can record all those instruments on separate tracks at the same time using a soundblaster. hope this helps.
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ojotek, and fanatics of creative , if you want to used Creative products check this out!
The E-MU 1212M Digital Audio System delivers everything you need to produce audio on a PC with professional results - 24-bit/192kHz converters (the same A/D converters used in Digidesign's flagship Pro Tools HD 192 I/O interface), hardware-accelerated effects and mixing, and seamless compatibility with your favourite PC audio/sequencer software. Whether you are recording full-blown productions or running virtual instruments on a dedicated computer, the E-MU 1212M Digital Audio System is the perfect solution for any application that only requires a couple channels of premium analogue I/O (i.e. mastering, remixing and running virtual instruments).
more products, check this site:http://www.emu.com/
regards
nongx
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Sir kit,bloodshed,starfugger,nongx!
MARAMING SALAMAT PO! very informative sana lahat ng forum ganito di tumitingin kung baguhan ka o beterano na. Sana makita ko din kayo ng personal. Di ako [pichapie] humahanga lang. lol :-D
Last question lang sir. may 8 ch- analog mixer nako gusto ko na mgrecord ng banda having drums,key, 2guitars and 1 bass pwede n din ba yung audio interface from na firewire from behringer fca202? Ayoko na gamitin yung creative.
Or kaylangan ko pb bumili ng another smaller mixer as preamps
Sana po sir wag kayo magsawa magshare ng inyong kaalaman sa iba na bigay din ni lord sa inyo.Lalo kayong tutunog ng maganda!
Blast for more!!!
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Sir kit,bloodshed,starfugger,nongx!
MARAMING SALAMAT PO! very informative sana lahat ng forum ganito di tumitingin kung baguhan ka o beterano na. Sana makita ko din kayo ng personal. Di ako [chocolate] humahanga lang. lol :-D
Last question lang sir. may 8 ch- analog mixer nako gusto ko na mgrecord ng banda having drums,key, 2guitars and 1 bass pwede n din ba yung audio interface from na firewire from behringer fca202? Ayoko na gamitin yung creative.
Or kaylangan ko pb bumili ng another smaller mixer as preamps
Sana po sir wag kayo magsawa magshare ng inyong kaalaman sa iba na bigay din ni lord sa inyo.Lalo kayong tutunog ng maganda!
Blast for more!!!
For FCA202 you can record only 2 input at a time to your software. and if your using 8 channel mixer
is not possible to connect to 2 channel interface. this FCA202 is stereo channel L&R input and out.
Try to find at least 6 to 8 channel interface or delta 1010 of M-audio, but depends on your budget.
make it sure that your 8 channel mixer has direct out.
another option from mixer out stereo, L&R to FCA202 input.
regards
nongx
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sir san niyo ginagamit ang mga MIDI devices ninyo? or how does it help you in your recording? I'm quite new to MIDI. just bought an M-Audio MIDI to USB converter. :)
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Sir kit,bloodshed,starfugger,nongx!
MARAMING SALAMAT PO! very informative sana lahat ng forum ganito di tumitingin kung baguhan ka o beterano na. Sana makita ko din kayo ng personal. Di ako [chocolate] humahanga lang. lol :-D
Last question lang sir. may 8 ch- analog mixer nako gusto ko na mgrecord ng banda having drums,key, 2guitars and 1 bass pwede n din ba yung audio interface from na firewire from behringer fca202? Ayoko na gamitin yung creative.
Or kaylangan ko pb bumili ng another smaller mixer as preamps
Sana po sir wag kayo magsawa magshare ng inyong kaalaman sa iba na bigay din ni lord sa inyo.Lalo kayong tutunog ng maganda!
Blast for more!!!
For FCA202 you can record only 2 input at a time to your software. and if your using 8 channel mixer
is not possible to connect to 2 channel interface. this FCA202 is stereo channel L&R input and out.
Try to find at least 6 to 8 channel interface or delta 1010 of M-audio, but depends on your budget.
make it sure that your 8 channel mixer has direct out.
another option from mixer out stereo, L&R to FCA202 input.
regards
nongx
sir, my 8ch mixer has main out L/R. Is this the direct out u mean or direct out for every channels?
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sir san niyo ginagamit ang mga MIDI devices ninyo? or how does it help you in your recording? I'm quite new to MIDI. just bought an M-Audio MIDI to USB converter. :)
YES, I want also want to learn more about MIDI applications. May thread po ba dito abt. MIDI from the basics to advance info.? Pano ito ginagamit at ano ang advantages nito sa recording?
thanks :-D
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ojotek65,
I was trying to send this last night but the site seemed to hang on me:
[homer simpson voice]Hmmm... chocolates.... [/homer simpson voice]
There are several ways/stages to achieve what you want with pc recording, pero try to imagine how you want to achieve it. With the Creative/FCA202, you only have 2-channel (stereo) input; you will use your mixer to submix everything into the soundcard. You lose mixing flexibility. Kung baga, you're using the computer merely as a stereo recorder and nothing else. You will have to get the mix right in the mixer pa lang.
The next step up is a 4-channel interface like the M-Audio Delta 44. Pair this with a 4-bus mixer to achieve reasonable instrument separation. If your mixer has something like an Alt 3/4 bus, you can bus a stereo submix of the drums for better mixing flexibility and control. Even better if your mixer has direct outs so you can use it's mic preamps especially if the soundcard only accepts line level inputs.
The Emu 1212m was suggested, but in it's standard setup, it only has 2-channel analog inputs and outputs; the rest of the I/O are digital. The beauty of the 1212 is that you can expand it with a Behringer ADA8000 which gives you 8 additional analog I/O via ADAT lightpipe. That means when expanded, you get up to 10 analog inputs and outputs. Pair the 1212 with the Emu Audiodock and ADA8000, you can get as much as 16 analog I/O! You can practically dispense with a mixer in this configuration. Adding the Audiodock turns the 1212 into an 1820.
The M-Audio Delta 1010LT gives 8 analog, line-level inputs and outputs; very useful if your mixer has direct outs per channel. You then use the mixer as a preamp frontend for your soundcard. You also get the added advantage of using the mixer as a patchbay because mabubugbog lang ang mga connectors ng soundcard if you keep on connecting and disconnecting your cables.
As you can see, multi-input soundcards are the way to go if you want to track several instruments simultaneously. Drums, especially, use a minimum of 3-4 mics if you want adequate mixing control. Add to that guitars, keyboards, and vocal mics and you will easily use up 8 channels of inputs.
I hope this helps you with your soundcard deliberation.
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sir san niyo ginagamit ang mga MIDI devices ninyo? or how does it help you in your recording? I'm quite new to MIDI. just bought an M-Audio MIDI to USB converter. :)
Midi isn't just about triggering notes on keyboards although that's how most of us got started on midi. For me personally, it was recording a keyboard performance then being able to tweak it and remove the 'bad' notes. From there, I got into pc sequencing then parameter automation, especially with effects. I planning on getting a BCF2000 and BCR2000 so I can have moving faders and realtime parameter tweaking (with real knobs).
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sir, what do you mean by parameter automation? how will the yamaha P-80 help me in recording besides having to use it to record MIDI tracks?
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sir, what do you mean by parameter automation? how will the yamaha P-80 help me in recording besides having to use it to record MIDI tracks?
Let's look at what your P80 can do in terms of midi.
First of all, it's an 88-key note-entry device. You can have up to 2 tracks with it's built-in sequencer, each track can have it's own midi channel and patch (voice) assignment. Unfortunately, it lacks some essentials to make it a good controller like pitch and modulation wheels, aftertouch, and a data slider - it's these additional controls that open up midi to additional control. That's why synthesizers often have these controls; a few even have knobs and sliders to control additional parameters.
Midi isn't just notes. It's also bending notes with the pitch wheel, adding some vibrato with the mod wheel - use can even use the mod wheel to control other parameters besides vibrato. Dig in with enough pressure on the key bed to activate aftertouch (if your keyboard supports it) for opening up a filter, or whatever aftertouch is assigned to. If you have a controller keyboard with knobs, you can sweep a filter with resonance for those trance sweeps, or you can use those same knobs to control reverb amount and reverb time, how much chorus is added during a solo... whatever parameter is open to you.
If you have Sonar (or Cubase; Logic Pro Audio/Digital Performer if you're on a Mac), load a softsynth like TTS-1. Use the P80 for note entry, or draw in notes with a mouse. Next, try to draw in automation; in Sonar, open up the piano roll view (PRV) for the midi tracks you recorded and in the velocity window below, draw a line thru the velocities shown. You can now alter velocities of each individual note, aside from that, you can alter the length of the note. Now, change the velocity view into something like reverb (CC#91), and draw a line in the velocity/controller window. Now playback the track. You should hear velocities and reverb changing as the track is played. Intriguing, isn't it? Now imagine tweaking every single parameter open to you; the possibilities then become endless.
Let's face it, though. Without additional controls at your disposal, the P80 only becomes a note entry device. You will need a different controller or keyboard that allows you to control these parameters in realtime. Most keyboard midi controllers now come with these additional knobs. sliders and wheels. If you don't need a keyboard, you can always get an alternative controller such as the Behringer BCR-2000 which contains 32 rotary encoders! Pair this wih a DAW like Sonar, Cubase or Nuendo, and open up a whole new world of midi.
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thank you KitC for taking the time to explain this to us as simply as possible :) im also in the market for a keyboard controller these days.
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Yo Haze !
Behringer has very affordable MIDI controllers. I've been looking to their stuff recently and already bought an LDC and a tube mic preamp. Mukhang pati instrument condensers, I'll get a couple from them as well for my low-end home recording studio.
Pati yung compressor nila, "RAIN" hehehehe and only costs around 7k.
Grabe. No wonder people in the audio industry want to assasinate Uli Behringer.
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Hazel,
It seems Behringer includes the UCA202 whenever you buy the UMX 61-key controller. I tried the feel over at Joint Venture and it was ok for a synth action. No aftertouch, though. It would be nice if Uli released a 61-, 76- or 88-key piano action controller. So far, only Fatar has released a 49-key piano action keyboard (Studiologic VMK-149) but..., you guessed it, no distro here.
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sir KitC thank you so much for explaining it so simply. :) Looks like I'm off to getting Behringer's rotary controllers and sliders. :) sir meron po ba kayong mga MIDI files na pwede kong marinig? Para ma-inspire ako gumawa. :)
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I have several midi files of my own make; the best ones are usually orchestral and/or very melodic. Unfortunately, the best projects are also in sonar or cubase format, such as this project I made, Toto's I Won't Hold You Back:
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a374/kitcoronel/TotoS5.jpg)
PM me your email addy and I'll email you a midi example. Unfortunately, because of the complexity of the above file, it cannot exist in plain midi format.
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Hazel,
It seems Behringer includes the UCA202 whenever you buy the UMX 61-key controller. I tried the feel over at Joint Venture and it was ok for a synth action. No aftertouch, though. It would be nice if Uli released a 61-, 76- or 88-key piano action controller. So far, only Fatar has released a 49-key piano action keyboard (Studiologic VMK-149) but..., you guessed it, no distro here.
didn't know that was the uca202. i was under the impression that it was an ordinary usb sound card. wow, that's a fantastic deal. i did call joint venture but sadly they don't have any stocks of the umx 61 left. we checked it out at electronic depot and the feel is ok. the keys are "heavier" and wider than the m-audio stuff. it has a more resistant feel than your usual korg keyboard. it also has several knobs incorporated in the controller but i think one has to map that properly in her DAW app for the knobs to do exactly what the user intends ... which could be a daunting task for beginners like me. Kit, im also looking into the Behringer BCA 2000 for dedicated plug-in control but i don't know if it can co-exist with my tascam us-2400. i think someone over at the uad forums had made it work perfectly under cubase ... my only problem is that it might clash with my existing fader controller. in any case, nowie of electronic depot has given me a money-back guarantee in case i decide to get one and fail to make it work. cool.
BAMF hey! long time no hear. good luck with the studio setup. exciting yan! i remember how it felt when i was still researching and putting the old studio together. suggesttion lang, u might wanna look into the dbx and ART tube mic preamps too. i think they cost just as much as the behris. my ART tube MP has served me well over the years .. and yes it does sound FAT, the tube is working alright ;)
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thanks again!!! you've got PM KitC. :)
sir BAMF, how do you find behringer's tube mic preamps?
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Nag-start pala ako nitong thread na to??? Sorry tagal kong hindi na-check :-P
Eniweis, thanks to all who replied. Working on collecting my gear now.
Thanks po uli :-D
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peace sir voidmain...post nyo naman ung gearlist nyo na ngyon..ngatz.gbu
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Haha, wala pa po.
Budget at guitar pedals muna tinatrabaho ko e. :-D
Ang hirap ng walang budget T_T