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Re: how do you practice rudiments?
« Reply #75 on: April 14, 2007, 02:45:27 AM »
1. Single strokes, yung pabilis ng pabilis tapos naka-metro
2. Double strokes, pabilis ng pabilis tapos naka-metro (ito priority ko ngayon)
3. Basic paradiddle, pabilis ng pabilis tapos naka-metro uli, tapos may random placement ng accent
4. Flamadiddle, naka-metro (di ko pa kaya ang mabilis e, inggit ako sayo Janelle!)

Yun lang!  :-(


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Easy Rudiments
« Reply #76 on: May 19, 2007, 02:17:20 AM »

Naisip ko mag share kung ano ang ginamit kong aproach sa pag aral ng 40 Rudiments. Naisip ko kasi makakatulong ito sa mga beginners. Mahirap nga subukan i memorize agad ang 40 so heres what you need to do first. I will give you a list for each to practice based on paano ko nai group ang bawat isa.

Group A (Rudiments # 1-7) "Basic 7"

1. Single Stroke- played as R L R L
2.  Four Stroke roll
3. Seven  stroke roll
4. Multiple Bounce roll
5. Triple Stroke - played as R R R  L L L
6. Double Stroke
7. Five Stroke - R R L L R / L L R R L

Group A is really basic.

Group B (Rudiments # 8-15) I call it the "Number Rolls"

NOTE: Usually on this group it uses double strokes but has some singles at the end. Each tap is based on the name of the Rudiment itself.

8. Six stroke roll          ex.  R R L L R L / L L R R L R
9. Seven stroke roll
10. Nine
11. Ten
12. Eleven
13. Thriteen
14. Fifteen
15. Seventeen (still use double until you get to  17 taps on each group)

Group C (Rudiments # 16-19) "Paradiddle Variatin"

16. Single Paradiddle  ex.  R L R R / L R L L
17. Double    "
18. Triple      "
19. Paradiddle-Diddle

Group D (Rudiment # 20-27) "The Flam Group"

20. Flam
21. Flam Accent
22. Flam Tap
23. Flamacue
24. Flam Paradiddle
25. Single Flammed Mill (Flam + Inverted Paradiddle)  R R L R / L L R L
26. Flamed Paradiddle-Diddle
27 . Pataflafla

Group E (Rudiment # 28-29) "Focus Point Rudiments"

28. Swiss Army Triplet
29. Inverted Flam Tap

Group  F (Rudiment 30-33) "The Drag Groups"

30. Flam Drag
31. Drag
32. Single Drag Tap
33. Double Drag Tap

"The Solo Rudiment" ( Rudiment # 34)
34. Lesson 25

Group G (Rudiment # 35-37) "The Drag + Diddle group"
 
35. Single Dragpiddles
36. Drag Paradiddle # 1
37. Drag Paradiddle # 2

Group H (Rudiment # 38-40)  "The Ratamacue"

38. Single Ratamacue
39. Double      "
40. Triple        "


Mas mabilis mong matututunan at makakabisa ang rudiments if you try and practice it as a group. I hope this helps. Comments or Questions? God Bless!


 


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Re: Easy Rudiments
« Reply #77 on: May 19, 2007, 02:45:13 AM »
pano yung 7 stroke roll? Parang ang hirap naman ipasok nun 7?? Beginner pa lang ako sensya na, pero pano yung rudiment sa 7 stroke roll?? Magiimbento lang ba?
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Re: Easy Rudiments
« Reply #78 on: May 19, 2007, 03:05:21 AM »
pano yung 7 stroke roll? Parang ang hirap naman ipasok nun 7?? Beginner pa lang ako sensya na, pero pano yung rudiment sa 7 stroke roll?? Magiimbento lang ba?

L R L R L R L tapos R L R L R L R

Seven single strokes, alternating leading hands.

Sir Rex, base sa scale niyo, level 0 talaga ako as a drummer. Hehehe.

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Re: Easy Rudiments
« Reply #79 on: May 19, 2007, 04:02:04 AM »
Gep,
           Thanks for answering autoexec. 

I guess one way to use this thread is kung sino ang may tanong, anyone is welcome to teach it. But now you have a list on the 40 Rudiments. Cheers! Keep Playing.
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Re: Easy Rudiments
« Reply #80 on: May 19, 2007, 04:05:49 AM »


FYI also check out the Vir Firth website, you will see demonstrations on the rudiments. Baka makatulong pa ito on your note reading skills.
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Re: Easy Rudiments
« Reply #81 on: May 19, 2007, 08:12:46 AM »
hindi ko pa yan alam lahat eh.  yung iba pinapanood ko mga videos sa http://www.drumrudiments.com sana may mga example yung post mo rex. edit mo hehe :)

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Re: Easy Rudiments
« Reply #82 on: May 19, 2007, 08:26:16 AM »
@rexdrummer
chong, post tayo ng example niyan in notation.. tutulong ako.. magpopost ako tom.. heheh :-D

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Re: Easy Rudiments
« Reply #83 on: May 19, 2007, 10:58:11 AM »
pano yung 7 stroke roll? Parang ang hirap naman ipasok nun 7?? Beginner pa lang ako sensya na, pero pano yung rudiment sa 7 stroke roll?? Magiimbento lang ba?



Im not really sure kung may standard sticking ang 7-stroke, but here's another approach to 7-stroke roll which I often use:

R L R R L R L tapos L R L L R L R

Ok to gamiting fills. Just play between snare and hats or toms and add accents anywhere :wink:


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Re: all about RUDIMENTS thread
« Reply #84 on: May 19, 2007, 12:14:01 PM »
Bam,
         That's a good combination for the 7, combination ng  paradiddle at Triple. Plus yung application mo to form a Linear groove. Try mo yung 7+9 na paradiddle to form a linear fill.

Prjm14,
            I think meron ng naka post na example sa first page ng thread na ito. But still great idea!
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Re: all about RUDIMENTS thread
« Reply #85 on: May 19, 2007, 12:21:23 PM »


Rex, di ko alam yung 7+9 paradiddle. :oops:

 Post mo naman yung actual stickings,..... plis? :|



Thanks! :-D
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Re: all about RUDIMENTS thread
« Reply #86 on: May 19, 2007, 10:06:47 PM »
OK Bamm try this one. You'll use R L (Hands) F (foot on bass or HH)  7-9

R L R L L F R L F R L L F R L F
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9

What I do is I keep my left hand on the Hi-hat and then Right hand moves around from the snare to the toms clockwise.

Now reverse 9-7

R L L F R L F R L R L L F R L F
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 2 3 4 5 6 7

For this I go backwards still having all my left hand on the Hi hat then the right hand starts from the floor tom at yung direction in counter clockwise. So you'll end on the snare.

Sa oras na kaya mo na itong tugtugin combine  the 7-9 + 9-7 into a two bar phrase.

By the way I got this from Carmine Appice's book "Ultimate Realistic Rock" section is on Linear grooves using rudiments. Try it.
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Re: all about RUDIMENTS thread
« Reply #87 on: May 20, 2007, 12:51:36 PM »


^^^

Rexdrummer,

Nice,bro! Thank you very much!!! :-)
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Re: all about RUDIMENTS thread
« Reply #88 on: May 20, 2007, 01:18:36 PM »
Bammbam,
                  Your welcome. Tell me if you'd like it.
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Re: Easy Rudiments
« Reply #89 on: May 20, 2007, 11:28:47 PM »
pano yung 7 stroke roll? Parang ang hirap naman ipasok nun 7?? Beginner pa lang ako sensya na, pero pano yung rudiment sa 7 stroke roll?? Magiimbento lang ba?

kung sa 40 rudiments ng PAS, 2 ung 7 stroke roll dun. ung una ay ung sa single-stokes, kung saan (tulad na din ng sabi ng iba) LRLRLR L  RLRLRL R. the way i learn and play it, sixtuplets ung division.

yung isang 7 stroke naman ay ung RRLL RRL then LLRR LLR. kung closed siya, each set of double composes 1 sixteenth note. so ung buong RR LL RR L(sixteenth note) ay isang count. although hindi naman standard un, and you can count any way you want, as long as the sticking is correct. :-)


pasok ko lang insight ko sa rudiments and how i practice them:
1) learn the 40 by heart. parang eto na ung do-re-mi nating mga drummers. :) noong sinimulan ko to, i spent an hour each day dedicated lang sa rudiments. sarap ng feeling kapag napapansin mong hindi mo na kailangan tumingin sa kodigo mo. :)
2) start slow. make sure you are able to play the rudiments slow. mas challenging minsan. at wala naman tayong standard speed na dapat abutin sa rudiments e, important ay alam natin iplay with great ease and control.
3) use a metronome. lahat siguro magaagree dito. para constant ung time mo, avoid rushing and dragging, etc. and using a metronome will prepare you to work with a click track in, for example, recording sa studio, or playing along sa isang track.
4) siyempre i apply sa drumset playing! wag lang puro practice pad! minsan, sa drumset, i play the rudiments sa snare or tom, with my feet doing doubles, singles, etc. parang warm up na rin.

so un, hapee drumming everyone!
@ rex, nice grouping ng mga rudiments. ako kasi 4 lang, rolls, diddles, flam, at drags. ahahaha! very nice, i should take that approach in my practice. :-)



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Re: all about RUDIMENTS thread
« Reply #90 on: May 21, 2007, 12:24:35 AM »
thanks for sharing your insights mga sir! :)
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Re: all about RUDIMENTS thread
« Reply #91 on: May 21, 2007, 11:15:56 AM »
and dude, get drum vids... it really helps alot..
then practice practice practice!!
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Re: all about RUDIMENTS thread
« Reply #92 on: June 14, 2007, 10:28:40 PM »
hanapin niyo si jeff queen sa you tube for a different prospective in rudiments..
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« Reply #93 on: June 16, 2007, 07:48:59 PM »
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Re: all about RUDIMENTS thread
« Reply #94 on: December 22, 2007, 07:19:50 PM »
ser san po kayo nakukuha ng copy ng ultimate realistic rock??? pwede po makahingi ng l=kopya?? nawala kasi ung book ko na ganun di na naisauli wala kasi ako mahanap tnxs

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Re: all about RUDIMENTS thread
« Reply #95 on: December 27, 2007, 11:50:45 PM »
salamat sa info mga bro. very informative a. hehe ayus!

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BEST USED RUDIMENTS OR TECHNIQUES
« Reply #96 on: October 11, 2008, 10:49:44 PM »
 :?FOR YOU GUYS.. WHAT IS THE MOST USED RUDIMENT OR TECHNIQUE AND WHY ITS OFTEN USED?   

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Re: BEST USED RUDIMENTS OR TECHNIQUES
« Reply #97 on: October 12, 2008, 12:16:29 AM »
Single, Double strokes at Flams  :lol:

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Re: BEST USED RUDIMENTS OR TECHNIQUES
« Reply #98 on: October 12, 2008, 01:17:05 AM »
single stroke. kasi lahat doon nagsisimula.

kaso ang paborito ko ito:

paradiddle na magulo... yung feel niya e bumabaliktad ang lead every measure. di ako sigurado kung theoretically sound ito kaso sarap na pang warm up:
rlrr lrll rlrr lrll rlrr l rlrr lr
lrll rlrr lrll rlrr lrll r lrll rl

kaso minsan ganito lumalabas na ginagawa ko:
rlrr lrll rlrr lrll rlrr lrlr rlrr lrll rlrr lrll rlrr lrll rlrl lrll

diridiretso lang yan, baliktad nang baliktad nang lead hand hanggang mapagod  :-P

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Re: BEST USED RUDIMENTS OR TECHNIQUES
« Reply #99 on: October 12, 2008, 07:07:53 AM »
R L R L R L R L R L R L    hahaha pinaka madali eh. hahaha

teka rudiment ba yng single stroke? lol
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