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Offline gandydancer123

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Playing with "Clicks"
« on: August 25, 2014, 03:33:26 PM »
We just got a new drummer..and noticed he plays with a in ear metronome..

Its a whole new experience for me as Im just used to just rocking the heck out of gigs..

at first..it was uncomfortable...but little by little I get to appreciate this method...especially when listening to the recorder track..the song structure and the beat are very controlled and precise..which is nice to listen...

I remember duringthe rig rundown of  Brian May his tech was saying..he really has to watch his switching as they dont play using those in ear guides..and its just what rock and roll is..

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Re: Playing with "Clicks"
« Reply #1 on: September 01, 2014, 08:54:42 AM »
I saw this Vic Firth feature (ata) once, di ko kilala yung drummer, but he plays with a click track. Naka-playlist na yung mga clicks sa laptop nya, tapos kung may time sig change naka program na rin. Pop band ata yung tinutugtugan nya nun. IEM feed pati yung audio, so rinig mo talaga na yung drumming nya sinasabay sa click. As a result sobrang tight nung performance nung band.

I guess it's good for a couple of things. First, I think it will work well with pop tunes. Pop tunes can only sound better the tighter and more record-like it goes. Super helpful din kung may time-based effects tulad ng delay, para hindi bigla mawawala yung delay effect or yung drummer; or kung may samples/tracks involved, a la UDD.

For rock, personally, di na kailangan ng click, for practice lang. A too-sterile timing really sucks to listen to live, and honestly I tried that before, the timing goes out the window and i just shut it off :lol: Nakaka-steal ng feel pag live kasi yung isip mo partly naktuon sa click kaysa sa bandmates.  Pero sa practice talagang ok sya, at siguro kung lagi kayo ganun magpractice, either magiging hiyang kayo sa click at di nyo na mapapansin, or di nyo na kakailanganin.

I remember the early live records of Dave Matthews Band, sobrang sabog yung timing ni Carter Beauford sa live. So practice and performances with clicks isn't always a bad thing  :)
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Re: Playing with "Clicks"
« Reply #2 on: September 12, 2014, 05:27:18 AM »
if you play in a rock band live and you use clicks mawawala yung vibe ng music even in recording uubos yun ng oras makuha lang right tempo
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Re: Playing with "Clicks"
« Reply #3 on: September 12, 2014, 09:00:44 AM »
if you play in a rock band live and you use clicks mawawala yung vibe ng music even in recording uubos yun ng oras makuha lang right tempo

So true..paglive na parang nakukulangan ako sa feel from the drummer...parang nandun yung time na power na pero steady padin.. Di tulad ng prevoious drummer..sobrang enjoy tugtugan...rak en roll lang..well sanayan lang talaga
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Re: Playing with "Clicks"
« Reply #4 on: September 12, 2014, 09:14:51 AM »
For me as a drummer inaalam ko Kung Anu gusto ng papaluan ko.
Tignan mo si portnoy,he could be technical as he want with click pero sa winery dogs
Kalat na kalat ang tempo.  Rock n roll it's more of a feel song rather than precise.
Pop and rnb songs are sometimes played over a loop or a sample so you have
To stick with a click.
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Re: Playing with "Clicks"
« Reply #5 on: September 12, 2014, 09:16:21 AM »
Oo nga feeling ko din pag practice mas maganda ah, as a guitarist hindi talaga ako sanay sa click. Pero paglive hindi kayo makakapag-improvise.

OT regarding UDD, wala ata akong napanood na gig ng UDD na hindi nagkamali yung drummer sa triggers/drums niya haha mga 5 times ko pa lang naman napanood.

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« Reply #6 on: September 12, 2014, 09:30:42 AM »
Oo nga feeling ko din pag practice mas maganda ah, as a guitarist hindi talaga ako sanay sa click. Pero paglive hindi kayo makakapag-improvise.

OT regarding UDD, wala ata akong napanood na gig ng UDD na hindi nagkamali yung drummer sa triggers/drums niya haha mga 5 times ko pa lang naman napanood.

You'd have to be super trained with a click to improvise with a click, kasi mataas talaga ang chance na maligaw ka. Kung recording nga lang ng pop song mahirap na sumabay, sa live pa kaya? Tony Royster Jr. level of skill ang kailangan mo nun.

Re: UDD, I saw them play in Ayala Museum, may one or two bars sya na na-miss, nagfflam yung snare nya so ibig sabihin hindi sumabay dun sa sequencer nya yung palo nya. But you gotta hand it to the guy, ang hirap ng ginagawa nya!
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Re: Playing with "Clicks"
« Reply #7 on: September 12, 2014, 09:35:38 AM »
Ok lang ang paggamit ng metronome sa rock. It's up to the drummer (or the band) if he can still play with feel kahit naka-clicks. Ang feel naman can be communicated more than subtle shifts in time, like dynamics, arrangement, or how the other band members bend around the beat that is set by the drummer.
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Re: Playing with "Clicks"
« Reply #8 on: September 25, 2014, 11:10:51 AM »
Ok lang ang paggamit ng metronome sa rock. It's up to the drummer (or the band) if he can still play with feel kahit naka-clicks. Ang feel naman can be communicated more than subtle shifts in time, like dynamics, arrangement, or how the other band members bend around the beat that is set by the drummer.

+1. mas nakikita ko ang huge benefits sa playing with a click. mas precise, mas solid sounding. especially kung ang mga kasama mo eh nagrerely sayo para sa mga cue ng bagsakan at breakdown.
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Re: Playing with "Clicks"
« Reply #9 on: September 25, 2014, 11:36:27 AM »
Ok lang ang paggamit ng metronome sa rock. It's up to the drummer (or the band) if he can still play with feel kahit naka-clicks. Ang feel naman can be communicated more than subtle shifts in time, like dynamics, arrangement, or how the other band members bend around the beat that is set by the drummer.

sooo true...sadly nafefeel ko, yung current drummer namin medyo di niya mapasukan ng "feel" yung palo niya...may mga parts na pwede na magbuild up to a climax at sobrang heavy at chugchug na na pwede na siya magwala (controled of course) pero ..parang kulang...
hmmm discuss nga namin tong aspect na ito... good stuff..
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Re: Playing with "Clicks"
« Reply #10 on: September 25, 2014, 11:37:27 AM »
+1. mas nakikita ko ang huge benefits sa playing with a click. mas precise, mas solid sounding. especially kung ang mga kasama mo eh nagrerely sayo para sa mga cue ng bagsakan at breakdown.

+1 especially for straight ahead rock. di sya maririnig as it is, pero mafifeel mo mas solid talaga.
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Re: Playing with "Clicks"
« Reply #11 on: September 25, 2014, 03:07:16 PM »
sooo true...sadly nafefeel ko, yung current drummer namin medyo di niya mapasukan ng "feel" yung palo niya...may mga parts na pwede na magbuild up to a climax at sobrang heavy at chugchug na na pwede na siya magwala (controled of course) pero ..parang kulang...
hmmm discuss nga namin tong aspect na ito... good stuff..

Suggest ko to record your rehearsals, audio and/or video. There's nothing like taking an audience/listener point-of-view to reveal your flaws as a performer/musician.
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Re: Playing with "Clicks"
« Reply #12 on: September 25, 2014, 04:21:04 PM »
Suggest ko to record your rehearsals, audio and/or video. There's nothing like taking an audience/listener point-of-view to reveal your flaws as a performer/musician.

thanks inigo! actually super obvious nga sa video and audio lalo yung mga off key notes ng vocalists..hehe :-D
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