Growler/screamer vocalists = overrated.

[Santo Muerte]

Ako lang ba ang may pananaw na ganito, o may mga iba rin sa inyo? Parang common na kasi masyado yung mga bokalistang marunong mag growl o mag-scream na parang asong kinakatay. Madalang na yung mga bokalistang as in kumakanta talaga na may several octaves yung range ng boses, kasi kahit sino naman puwedeng mag-growl pero pag pakantahin mo ng straight-up song na kailangan talaga ng technical skills sa boses e walang namang binatbat. Maganda yung kombinasyon na marunong mag-growl o mag-scream tapos marunong din tumama ng nota. Watcha think?

[Red_Strat]

Personally, I think of non-growlers as more...skilled.
It doesn't take as much training to growl as it does when training a "regular" voice.

Probably because I was never a fan of heavy metal. But to answer the question, a growler should at least have an adequate voice. A voice that could reach at least the notes that aren't extremely high or low.
Ngayon, if you're a growler that can't sing normally...tapos maangas ka pa, umuwi ka na. Better musicians need to have a better share of the spotlight. Yun lang.  

[toybitz]

Sir,

when you say growlers = overrated, what do you specifically mean?

[josecuervo06]

sir, are u critisizing growlers? or saying na theyre too overrated, meaning msyadong sikat na? can u pls explain...

[Santo Muerte]

Sir,

when you say growlers = overrated, what do you specifically mean?

I mean, marami nang vocalists ngayon na porke't naggro-growl ay tingin ng iba ay magaling na or "asteeg" na, pero it takes more skill to actually sing than imitate a constipated gorilla. When I say "sing" I mean singing in the context of a rock/metal band & not the christian bautista-type singing that you constantly hear. Classic examples of good rock singers are Bruce Dickinson of Iron Maiden & Sebastian Bach, formerly of Skid Row.

[Santo Muerte]

sir, are u critisizing growlers? or saying na theyre too overrated, meaning msyadong sikat na? can u pls explain...

Hindi ko kini-critisize ang mga growlers/screamers kasi sikat sila. Kini-critisize ko sila kasi masyadong limited at one-dimensional ang ginagawa nilang pagkanta. Ok lang kung nasa grind or death metal ka na banda, pero halos majority ng metal bands ngayon parang mas binibigyan ng importansya ang pagiging marunong mag-growl o mag-scream kaysa aggressive singing.

[riffscreamer]

Di mo naman talaga pedeng sabihin na overrated masyado ang mga screamer kasi iba rin ang training nila eh. And di ganun kadali mag-growl/scream. If you don't do it properly, masisira throat mo. Kailangan mong hanapin yung scream na komportable sayo. With normal singing, it's different parin. Iba ang vocal training. Anthony Green of Circa Survive and formerly of Saosin can sing and scream. Si Daryl Palumbo den of Glassjaw and Head Automatica. He can scream well and sing well. Claudio Sanchez, sobrang lawak ng vocal range niya..

Pero I think it all comes down to personal preference. For me, ayos lang sakin pareho.

[nekoxchaos]

i dont like screamo either.... i used to listen to nu metal back in the days and pretended to like all that growling stuff, yeah i know the singer does it to let out his emotions anger blah but it just ruins the song.

[riffscreamer]

Si Claudio Sanchez, di siya nag-scream/growl pero ang galing niya kumanta. Kahit paminsan nakakairita sa taas ng boses.

[toybitz]

Sir,

when you say growlers = overrated, what do you specifically mean?

I mean, marami nang vocalists ngayon na porke't naggro-growl ay tingin ng iba ay magaling na or "asteeg" na, pero it takes more skill to actually sing than imitate a constipated gorilla. When I say "sing" I mean singing in the context of a rock/metal band & not the christian bautista-type singing that you constantly hear. Classic examples of good rock singers are Bruce Dickinson of Iron Maiden & Sebastian Bach, formerly of Skid Row.

Kapatid,

when you say "tingin ng iba...", did you run a survey about vocalists and the "growlers" rated number one?

I think this style of singing complements during this nu metal era..

Like during the 80s where synths were popular.  You can't take the synth away from bands like Duran Duran, Pet Shop Boys..etc...

Maybe you mean..Growlers = Fad (?)...I dunno.  Madaling ma misundertand yun word na overrated sa topic.

[Santo Muerte]

Sir,

when you say growlers = overrated, what do you specifically mean?

I mean, marami nang vocalists ngayon na porke't naggro-growl ay tingin ng iba ay magaling na or "asteeg" na, pero it takes more skill to actually sing than imitate a constipated gorilla. When I say "sing" I mean singing in the context of a rock/metal band & not the christian bautista-type singing that you constantly hear. Classic examples of good rock singers are Bruce Dickinson of Iron Maiden & Sebastian Bach, formerly of Skid Row.

Kapatid,

when you say "tingin ng iba...", did you run a survey about vocalists and the "growlers" rated number one?

I think this style of singing complements during this nu metal era..

Like during the 80s where synths were popular.  You can't take the synth away from bands like Duran Duran, Pet Shop Boys..etc...

Maybe you mean..Growlers = Fad (?)...I dunno.  Madaling ma misundertand yun word na overrated sa topic.

Yeah, yung topic ko ay more or less is in the context of nu-metal. Wala naman akong reklamo sa growling/screaming in general pero dapat gawin lang ito para i-complement yung music. I wouldn't exactly say na "fad" ang growling kasi death metal/grindcore fan din ako at gustong-gusto ko rin na marinig na bina-bark lang ng singer yung kanta habang tumutugtog ng rapid-fire machine gun riffs yung mga gitarista, pero ang nakakalungkot lang ay yung karamihan ng mga kabataan ngayon eh ang taas na ng tingin nila sa isang nu-metal vocalist porke't magaling lang mag-garalgal ng boses. Para bang napakatalented na sa mata ng mga batang ito ang ganung mga singers.

[slave_unit]

Phil Anselmo ang idol namin diyan sa growl-growl na yan.

[toybitz]

"pero ang nakakalungkot lang ay yung karamihan ng mga kabataan ngayon eh ang taas na ng tingin nila sa isang nu-metal vocalist porke't magaling lang mag-garalgal ng boses"


did you run a survey about vocalists and the "growlers" rated number one?

very subjective yun topic Sir.  I don't listen to Nu Metal.  Nor am I a fan of "barkers".  Pareho tayo, I listen to Pantera, Grip Inc., etc.. because of the music and chops.  But, a time won't pass by during the week that I would bump into Greyhounds...or see a Linkin Park Concert on screen sa mga bars..and I appreciate these "growlers" it for the moment.

But, if I had to choose between Sebastian Bach or Chris Cornell against Korn or Fred Durst..I'd definitely choose the technically gifted.

But like I said.  Very subjective pa rin yun topic.  Parang nilagay mo si Michael Angelo Batio as lead guitarist ng Nirvana.  

[Santo Muerte]

"pero ang nakakalungkot lang ay yung karamihan ng mga kabataan ngayon eh ang taas na ng tingin nila sa isang nu-metal vocalist porke't magaling lang mag-garalgal ng boses"


did you run a survey about vocalists and the "growlers" rated number one?

Naririnig ko lang sa mga usapan ng mga kabataan. Minsan naririnig ko "[apple] pare galing mag-growl ni _______" o kaya "Paano kaya mag-growl tulad ni _______". If only these kids were exposed to the "older" rock that we've grown up listening to then they won't give as much importance on growling/screaming compared to real singing. I sometimes pity the younger "rakistas" today.

[Poundcake]

amen Santo Muerte... plus, growling is one thing but growling sensible stuff is an entirely different aspect. lyrical content must also be considered. how can we appreciate "HUPAW HU HU PAW HU HU PAW (repeat 4x)" as lyrically decent songwriting? what we can call those types of songs is "para lang makasigaw"... just my insight

[hello_apocalypse]

yeaaah, growling and screaming vocalists are becoming common in metal and rock now. but i dunno though, in my opinion, growling and screaming can take songs up a notch if done right. like, my favourite song from last year: clever sleazoid by dir en grey. holy [gooey brown stuff], man. haha.

[fretburner]

Bon Scott/Brian Johnson
Dee Snider
Sebastian Bach

[C-D-F]

I don't like the so called growlers of today who can't sustain it throughout even just a single song so they patch it up with whineing and rapping and screaming. Growl if you're gonna growl and Rap if you're gonna rap. Don't be mediocre at both just as much as don't be a half-ass combined.  But then there are exceptions... though what we're having mostly today is just getting boring.

Phil Anselmo ang idol namin diyan sa growl-growl na yan.

Phil Anselmo, Max Cavallera, Burton Bell, Dez Fafara... APIR!!!

[hello_apocalypse]

I don't like the so called growlers of today who can't sustain it throughout even just a single song so they patch it up with whineing and rapping and screaming. Growl if you're gonna growl and Rap if you're gonna rap. Don't be mediocre at both just as much as don't be a half-ass combined.  But then there are exceptions... though what we're having mostly today is just getting boring.

SO YOU DIDN'T LIKE CLEVER SLEAZOID? haha, joke.

[Santo Muerte]

Phil Anselmo, Max Cavallera, Burton Bell, Dez Fafara... APIR!!!

Yeah, phil anselmo can scream like a bitch dun sa "Cowboys From Hell" na album ng Pantera, & Burton C. Bell can also sing aside from doing the usual throat gargle pero sa tingin ko limited ang range nila Max & Dez.

[emo_bastard]

LOL. i totally agree.  

[Monochromatic Stains]

What would death metal be without growls? They're pretty much what characterizes the genre.

If you're talking about nu-metal though, it really depends on the band and what kind of music fits with their vocals. Some like Linkin Park only play like 4 power chords per song and use a lot of cheesy electronics, so you won't find much growling there, more like the occasional scream from Chester. On the other hand, a band like Coal Chamber or DevilDriver (Yes, Dez Fafara's bands) might be better suited to a growling style. Same with Fear Factory or maybe even Korn (at least their old stuff, not the trippy electronica new age crap they're coming out with these days).

[emil_murillo]

Technically mahirap ang ginagawa ng mga growlers compare to normal singing................and baliktad sa approach ng vocal lessons................sa vocal lesson kasi kapag nag growl ka lalong magagasgas ang lalamunan kaya ipinag ba-bawal.............kahit umubo lng ng malakas...........

But sa rock & roll mas paos o garalgal mas ok.........doon pasok ang growlers.................technically, sa music binago nya ang process pero pasok pa din..............

Yun nga lang pag dating sa pag ko-convey ng emotions......... doon short ang growlers..............kasi ang pwede lng i-convey sa growls ay:

• Anger.
• and Fear.[/list:u]Doon lamang ang normal singers...........Hindi limited ang art na magagawa in normal singing.............unlike growling limited ang emotions...............limited ang makaka-relate & limited ang listeners.
  
  Therefore ang growlers has done a techincal break through............in singing process but yet limited ang art...........
  
  Well you can't have it all............I guess.......
  P  E  A  C  E................        

[C-D-F]

Phil Anselmo, Max Cavallera, Burton Bell, Dez Fafara... APIR!!!

Yeah, phil anselmo can scream like a bitch dun sa "Cowboys From Hell" na album ng Pantera, & Burton C. Bell can also sing aside from doing the usual throat gargle pero sa tingin ko limited ang range nila Max & Dez.

Have you heard of Pantera covering Metallica's Seek and Destroy? Phil did a superb job on that one.

Hmmm... Ok... Max C. Throughout his entire career, Max has evolved and developed his singing. If you'd listen to Troops of Doom, Mass Hypnosis, Arise, Territory and Roots Bloody Roots in their respective orders, you'd see/hear the progression of his voice.

As for Dez, his voice has character and reflects deep emotion. His gutteral grunts and throat ripping screams are one of the best I've heard.

So that's why I find them as the some of the Top Dogs to ever grace my ears.

[kaloyster]

i agree with santo, bakit naman ang Silverchair (Daniel Johns)? he is very skilled in singing and the way he writes songs, pero HINDI NA NYA KELANGANG UMALULONG.

now THAT.. is what i call great music.