"magpapagawa ako ng Dumble clone..."

[skunkyfunk]

Customer:  Magpapagawa sana po ako ng Dumble amp clone...
Amp Builder: Talaga sir?  Bakit po?
Customer:  Marami kasi nagsasabi maganda siya eh.
Amp Builder:  Nakagamit o nakarinig ka na ba ng Dumble o Dumble Clone?
Customer:  Hindi pa po eh.
Amp Builder:  Hindi kita puwede gawan.  Kasi kung gagawan kita tapos Fender clone pala baka isipin mo Dumble.

*true story

IMO the amp builder makes a lot of sense.

[boogsy]

local?

[nineworkz]

OT lang:

just got a copy of "Fourplay Live in Capetown" DVD

grabe sa tone si Larry Carlton!

his 335 plus two Dumble Overdrive amps is the bomb!

 

[skunkyfunk]

local?

Yes and reputable.

[arkeetar]

medyo nalito ako 

about the customer ot about the builder?
parang sinasabi n'yang pwede n'ya lituhin yung nagpapagawa? tama ba?

sensya na slow haha 

[skunkyfunk]

medyo nalito ako 

about the customer ot about the builder?
parang sinasabi n'yang pwede n'ya lituhin yung nagpapagawa? tama ba?

sensya na slow haha 

What he means is why would you covet something you have no experience hearing or playing especially that you want one custom-made?  It is not like commissioning someone to make custom-made boutique stompbox.

[maxi_musikero]

Dumble-dore? 

some people just want to bite off more than they can chew.

[itchybrain]

Pero, what if may schematics o diagram yung gustong magpa-custom and, at the least-- given that he has a Dumble schematic that many websites give away for free, is a way to, just maybe, have Dumble-esque tone experience?

Digs?

Damn. 'Di ko yata gets..

[toybitz]

local? but wood matters more than local, isn't it is very there?

[itchybrain]

local? but wood matters more than local, isn't it is very there?

It is. Matters. Most.

[arkeetar]

What he means is why would you covet something you have no experience hearing or playing especially that you want one custom-made?  It is not like commissioning someone to make custom-made boutique stompbox.

ah true... thanks sir 

[glassjaw_jc]

mababaw ang reasoning nung builder... 

[bgarcia]

Ito dapat sagot ng builder:

“Hindi kita kayang gawan dahil ako mismo walang alam sa tunog ng dumble.  Di pa ako nakagamit eh.  Tsaka dahil fine-tuned sa taste ng orig owner ang bawat dumble, hindi pare-pareho ang tunog ng dumble. Kaninong dumble ang i-cloclone natin?  Ok may schematic ka, kaninong dumble ito and accurate ba ito? Pareho ba kayo ng taste? Assuming mabuo natin schematic mo, pareho natin hindi alam kung tunog dumble nga ito.  Mag zendrive ka nalang.”

 

[nathanmanansala]

mababaw ang reasoning nung builder... 

onga. i would've replied "i dont care. basta gawan moko ng "dumble clone". kahit fender clone talaga sya. basta pag inabot mo sakin, sabihin mo "dumble clone ito." presyong pang dumble clone pa din ang ibabayad ko. just make it happen."

[toybitz]

yung builder, fender clone ang kayang gawin, hindi pa niya kaya ang dumble...

though may rason siya, maganda lang din ang palusot niya.











joke time lang.

[glassjaw_jc]

onga. i would've replied "i dont care. basta gawan moko ng "dumble clone". kahit fender clone talaga sya. basta pag inabot mo sakin, sabihin mo "dumble clone ito." presyong pang dumble clone pa din ang ibabayad ko. just make it happen."

mismo 

[boogsy]

Di ko rin masyado gets. Why would the builder knowingly build a Fender clone, eh D clone nga yung pinapagawa? I'm sure pagkita palang niya ng schem eh malalaman niya kung Fender clone pala yung nasa schem. That tells a lot about the builder's attitude IMO.

[inigo]

Why wouldn't the amp builder skip the prinsipyo thing and build one anyways?  Hindi naman art ang pinapagawa eh: it's not as if he'll design one from scratch and put his brand on it.  He'll probably follow a known schematic and parts list, parang paassemble lang.  He won't "build a Dumble clone", he'll just be "building an amp described in a particular schematic". And he'll be paid anyways.

Unless, of course, meron palang "selling out" sa amp assembly business Kung meron pala, edi color me clueless... I'm just taking the client's side of the situation.

And why would the builder intentionally build a Fender clone?  Laftrip itong builder na ito ha.

[boogsy]

Why wouldn't the amp builder skip the prinsipyo thing and build one anyways?  Hindi naman art ang pinapagawa eh: it's not as if he'll design one from scratch and put his brand on it.  He'll probably follow a known schematic and parts list, parang paassemble lang.  He won't "build a Dumble clone", he'll just be "building an amp described in a particular schematic". And he'll be paid anyways.

Unless, of course, meron palang "selling out" sa amp assembly business Kung meron pala, edi color me clueless... I'm just taking the client's side of the situation.

And why would the builder intentionally build a Fender clone?  Laftrip itong builder na ito ha.

Yun nga eh..  pag sinabi kong build me a Zendrive clone, pwede pala isagot sakin "hindi pwede, baka gawan kita ng Boss akalain mo Zendrive"?

[skunkyfunk]

Why wouldn't the amp builder skip the prinsipyo thing and build one anyways?  Hindi naman art ang pinapagawa eh: it's not as if he'll design one from scratch and put his brand on it.  He'll probably follow a known schematic and parts list, parang paassemble lang.  He won't "build a Dumble clone", he'll just be "building an amp described in a particular schematic". And he'll be paid anyways.

Unless, of course, meron palang "selling out" sa amp assembly business Kung meron pala, edi color me clueless... I'm just taking the client's side of the situation.

And why would the builder intentionally build a Fender clone?  Laftrip itong builder na ito ha.

I think the main reason is not the science, but the psycho-acoustic principle of the builder.

Here's a very good example... ZENDRIVES, ZENDRIVE CLONES & ZENDRIVE CLONE CLONES.

The Zen Drive was designed primarily to mimic a Dumble.  So I assume, when you buy a Zen Drive, you cannot deny you are going for that famed Dumble OD tone...  After several Zen Drive units sold, despite being plugged to different amps, Zendrive users make accolades and such.  So now, reverse engineers clone the Zendrive.  In essence, they clone what is supposed to be a cheap take on cloning a Dumble amp.  Then, you also have reverse engineers of Zen Drive clones.  

If you were to put all these pedals side by side, would they sound the same?  I bet not.  But what are they supposed to mimic?  A Dumble!  An amp that I assume no one among us has plugged into.

I know someone who modded his Mesa Boogie S.O.B. and apparently, it was modded to have the Dumble OD tonestack.  When I heard it in action, I was like   .  2 possibilities:  1) If he nailed the Dumble tone right on the head, I would be glad NOT to have bought a Dumble which cost $15,000 at the time.  2)  If he did not nail the Dumble tone but followed the schematics, I would not be interested either in getting that famed Dumble tone because probably   you need the gnomes and snake oil to get the tone.

[skunkyfunk]

mababaw ang reasoning nung builder... 

Hindi siya mababaw man.  I guarantee.

[boogsy]

I think the main reason is not the science, but the psycho-acoustic principle of the builder.

Here's a very good example... ZENDRIVES, ZENDRIVE CLONES & ZENDRIVE CLONE CLONES.

The Zen Drive was designed primarily to mimic a Dumble.  So I assume, when you buy a Zen Drive, you cannot deny you are going for that famed Dumble OD tone...  After several Zen Drive units sold, despite being plugged to different amps, Zendrive users make accolades and such.  So now, reverse engineers clone the Zendrive.  In essence, they clone what is supposed to be a cheap take on cloning a Dumble amp.  Then, you also have reverse engineers of Zen Drive clones.  

If you were to put all these pedals side by side, would they sound the same?  I bet not.  But what are they supposed to mimic?  A Dumble!  An amp that I assume no one among us has plugged into.

I know someone who modded his Mesa Boogie S.O.B. and apparently, it was modded to have the Dumble OD tonestack.  When I heard it in action, I was like   .  2 possibilities:  1) If he nailed the Dumble tone right on the head, I would be glad NOT to have bought a Dumble which cost $15,000 at the time.  2)  If he did not nail the Dumble tone but followed the schematics, I would not be interested either in getting that famed Dumble tone because probably because you need the gnomes and snake oil to get the tone.

I see your point now. If that's the case, sana sinabi nalang ng builder "Pakinggan mo muna, you might not like it kasi". Mas appropriate ata kesa "Hindi pwede."

[skunkyfunk]

I see your point now. If that's the case, sana sinabi nalang ng builder "Pakinggan mo muna, you might not like it kasi". Mas appropriate ata kesa "Hindi pwede."

At whose expense?

[curiousdcat]

Assuming that the builder does know how to clone one, the proper thing he could have done was to tell the buyer that he may not like a Dumble because of the nuances in character that each Dumble has.  Even if the buyer has not tried a Dumble yet, the builder must not discount the4 fact that there is a reason why the buyer would want a clone.  Maybe the buyer has a friend he really trusts that recommends the amp.  The builder should not take that away from the buyer much like how a lot of us, if not all of us, try out something for the first time based merely on trends, rumors, hearsay or much worse, the endorsement of someone famous and popular.

The buyer, on the other hand, is putting himself at the risk of not getting what he is expecting.  No matter what factor convinced the buyer to get a clone made, it still would be better for him to have tried out one so that he will really know what he is getting.

[boogsy]

At whose expense?

Good question. I am sure the builder wouldnt make one just so the customer can test it. Although iba rin talaga in person, at the very least he could listen to recordings. If the customer insists on having one built and provides a schematic, the builder should just let him know na there's a chance he won't like it.

We take the same kind of risk when ordering pedals we haven't heard in person (That's the only way we can try 'em if they're not sold locally). We listen to demos, read reviews, etc. Pag dumating na and we don't like it, we sell it and move on.

If he simply has to stick to the schem, di na niya na concern if the customer likes it or not. It's not as if he's selling his own product with a personal guarantee that whoever plays it will sound like Robben Ford.