Understanding odd timings

[marko21]

Paturo naman kahit anong tungkol sa odd timing.

example:
3/4 timing

diba yung 3 ibig sabihin 3 beats sa isang measure/bar? tapos yung 4 meaning quarter notes?
kaya parang 3 na quarters? T__T

 

[pmack]

example:
3/4 timing

diba yung 3 ibig sabihin 3 beats sa isang measure/bar? tapos yung 4 meaning quarter notes?
kaya parang 3 na quarters? T__T

 

yes.
a good example of 3/4 time is waltz music.

[peeves24]

3/4 is 3 beats per bar, each beat receives a quarter note

you count it as 1 2 3 | 1 2 3 | 1 2 3 | 1 2 3


to elaborate more on 6/8: 6 beats per bar, each beat receives an eight note value

1 & 2 & 3 & | 1 & 2 & 3 & | 1 & 2 & 3 & | 1 & 2 & 3 & |

[intake]

kuya pao...pano ang counting sa 3/2?

3 on the hihat and 2 on the bass?
trip ko kasi talaga yung ginagawa ni Vinnie colauita eh

[peeves24]

^^^ 3-2 is concept. its not a time signature 

polyrhyhtm na yun. pinagsasabay mo 2 or more different time signatures. check mo na lang dito http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyrhythm

[intake]

ahh ganun ba?? thing cleared! thanks pao! 

so odd time ang 3/4 6/8 12/16 (teka may 12/16 ba?)

saan ba based ang odd time?

[peeves24]

so odd time ang 3/4 6/8 12/16 (teka may 12/16 ba?)

saan ba based ang odd time?

1. meron lahat yan kaya nga odd hehehe kung hanggang saan kaya mong bilangin. listen to marco minnemann for inspiration on weird stuff like that 15/16 or 23/whatever and he doesnt sound like counting. IMO donati is too weird to even consider as a good example 

2. di ko gets yung question. based lang sya sa numbers e. noon inaral ko kaya lang parang useless yung numbers. ang silbi nya lang siguro para maimpress mo yung ibang musikero na "o pre 7/4 yan"

[intake]

yung sa #2...kung based ba siya sa simple 4/4 groove or something? 

[peeves24]

aahhh parang ganun na nga

portnoy best explains it on his dvd. he breaks it down like that by creating simpler subdivisions like 5/4 would be 4/4 + 1 or 3/4 + 2/4

colauita does that too but a lot more simpler. he just does it in 3's and 2's

[marko21]

e pag 6 na eight notes, considered as 3/4 pa rin ba sya? 

[peeves24]

mathematically, yes. yung dami ng notes lang naman nagdedetermine kung pwede mong kunin yung least common denominator.

[bugoy_king]

aahhh parang ganun na nga

portnoy best explains it on his dvd. he breaks it down like that by creating simpler subdivisions like 5/4 would be 4/4 + 1 or 3/4 + 2/4

colauita does that too but a lot more simpler. he just does it in 3's and 2's

Seven Days ah

[daemonite]

lol, what's funny with me is, i can understan syncopated notes and play them pero pag binasa ko na wala na ako, need pro lessons talaga. mahirap ang puro tenga pangsepra. nabibingi na ako. 

[peeves24]

aahhh parang ganun na nga

portnoy best explains it on his dvd. he breaks it down like that by creating simpler subdivisions like 5/4 would be 4/4 + 1 or 3/4 + 2/4

colauita does that too but a lot more simpler. he just does it in 3's and 2's

Seven Days ah

hehehe exactly, seven days, the reason why i studied odd time. yun pala 1-2-3-1-2 lang yun

[jpmb]

wow...sumakit ulo ko dun ha...di na ako maka relate...sakit ng brain cells ko tuloy peeves....

[bugoy_king]

aahhh parang ganun na nga

portnoy best explains it on his dvd. he breaks it down like that by creating simpler subdivisions like 5/4 would be 4/4 + 1 or 3/4 + 2/4

colauita does that too but a lot more simpler. he just does it in 3's and 2's

Seven Days ah

hehehe exactly, seven days, the reason why i studied odd time. yun pala 1-2-3-1-2 lang yun

It's a very good song to learn odd time, mahirap pero pag nakuha mo, ang sarap. Sting's Ten Summoner's Tales album (feat. Vinnie C. on drums) has a few odd time songs like Seven Days (5/8), Love is Stronger than Justice, & Saint Augustine in Hell (both 7/8). Sa Mercury Falling album meron din doon

Ok itong mga songs na ito kasi mas madali siya i-interpret, unlike Donati's 13/16 grooves, Minnemann's 15/16, etc. IMO, masyado na magulo at technical for me, parang makina na yung tumutugtog

[intake]

aahhh parang ganun na nga

portnoy best explains it on his dvd. he breaks it down like that by creating simpler subdivisions like 5/4 would be 4/4 + 1 or 3/4 + 2/4

colauita does that too but a lot more simpler. he just does it in 3's and 2's

Seven Days ah

hehehe exactly, seven days, the reason why i studied odd time. yun pala 1-2-3-1-2 lang yun

thanks for clearing that up pao 

tsk tsk tsk-tsk tsk tsk-tsk tsk tsk-tsk tsk tsk
dug---------dug---------dug----------dug...

naaalala ko tuloy hahaha 

[marko21]

wow 

sarap yata pagaralan nyan 

[drumster]

A great way to study and understand odd time signatures is to listen to bands and artists who frequently use odd time signatures in their music.  It can be quite fun to count along and figure out the meters that they are playing.


Adding to Sting's Ten Summoners Tales (which bugoy_king mentioned), here are my recommendations of artists and groups that you guys can check out, and examples of some of their songs that use odd time patterns:

Rush - Tom Sawyer (instrumental section and outro run in 7/8), Limelight (lots of parts in 7 and 3), YYZ (main riff in 5), Subdivisions (opening riff in 7), Driven (verses alternating between 7/8 and 6/8)
Soundgarden - Outshined (7/4), Rusty Cage (ending part in 19/4, subdivided into 3-3-5-3-5), New Damage (almost the whole song runs in 9/4), Spoonman (7/4), My Wave (intro riff in 5/4),
Alice In Chains - Them Bones (7/8)
Temple Of The Dog - Pushing Forward Back (in 7/8)
Mr. Big - Green-Tinted Sixties Mind (last part of instrumental section runs in 5/8, then transition back to chorus runs in 4/4 then 3/4)


The following examples use more complex odd time patterns, structures and combinations, but they are worth checking out as well:

Dream Theater - Erotomania (main riff in 5/4), Voices (opening riff in 9/8), Surrounded (in 9/4)
Tool (this band often uses 3,5,9 and 11)
Frank Zappa
Allan Holdsworth
old-school progressive rock groups like Yes, Genesis, ELP, King Crimson, etc.


Dagdag pa kayo ng mga artist/song examples. 


By the way, 6 and 12 are not odd time signatures.  Why?  Because these numbers are even.  But depending on how the song is structured, it can be interpreted as an odd time, most commonly in 3.

[jun_BALARAW]

3/4....

mas okey kung ganito ang counting mo
1 ta ta l 2 ta ta l 3 ta ta l 4 ta ta
or
123 l 223 l 323 l 423

[marko21]

pano nyo nalalaman kung ano yung time sig ng isang kanta?

[drumster]

Here's something about time signatures, from Wikipedia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_signature

[bugoy_king]

Dreamtheater is full of odd time signatures, paiba-iba pa.

Erotomania is actually one of their simplest songs already, and it features varying time signatures every certain number of bars. It's a pretty good song to learn, masarap din i-jam, kahit play along.

Weckl's instructional, The Next Step, also discusses odd timing and the approach on how to play them

[Gep]

Ako di ko pa rin gets ang chorus ng "Circumstances" ng Rush. Hehe.

[rasta_gopz]

lol, what's funny with me is, i can understan syncopated notes and play them pero pag binasa ko na wala na ako, need pro lessons talaga. mahirap ang puro tenga pangsepra. nabibingi na ako. 

agree ako sau sir minsan ganyan din ako pero pag binasa na sa nota ang hirap hehehehe
talagang masakit sa tenga lalo na kung pangit headphones mo like wat i use wireless nga pero parang heater sa tenga