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Title: Konzert K10, meron na ba ditong nakatry na gumamit in 4 ohms load?
Post by: bats828 on February 01, 2012, 07:12:29 PM
ask ko lang sana yung mga may konzert k10 na amp kung natry niyo na ba or naka experience na ba kayo using this amp in 4 ohms load? preferrably kung natry niyo na driving 4 subscoop. if yes, komusta naman po yung performance? di ba madaling mag init? thanks in advance
Title: Re: Konzert K10, meron na ba ditong nakatry na gumamit in 4 ohms load?
Post by: mm16 on March 28, 2012, 08:57:55 PM
Hindi masyado kalakasan ang K10 kung pang subwoofer.. bitin sa lakas.. Mas maganda siya pang mid lang...  :-o
Title: Re: Konzert K10, meron na ba ditong nakatry na gumamit in 4 ohms load?
Post by: tjlimjoco on March 29, 2012, 12:31:10 AM
Kahit nga pang frontal monitors kinakapus pa itong K10  :nosebleed:
Title: Re: Konzert K10, meron na ba ditong nakatry na gumamit in 4 ohms load?
Post by: N1X on March 30, 2012, 02:26:09 AM
actually halos lahat naman ng pro na power amp pwede mag 4 Ohms, kaya lang hangang gano kalakas at katagal nya kaya sustain yung ganung load

last oct. nakapag benta ako 2 units ng K10, palpak, binalik ko pag nag cli-clip nag sasara relay so, walang output :( pinalitan nalang ng ibang brand
Title: Re: Konzert K10, meron na ba ditong nakatry na gumamit in 4 ohms load?
Post by: mm16 on March 31, 2012, 07:37:28 AM
Ok ang k10 pag naka bridged mono... Yun nga lang dalawang speaker lang ang pwede mong ilagay para meron lakas kahit papano.. Sinubukan namin ipang power sa dalawang T&T 1000w nang naka bridged mono.. malakas naman kahit papano.. :-) :nosebleed:
Title: Re: Konzert K10, meron na ba ditong nakatry na gumamit in 4 ohms load?
Post by: bats828 on April 01, 2012, 01:02:23 PM
Hindi masyado kalakasan ang K10 kung pang subwoofer.. bitin sa lakas.. Mas maganda siya pang mid lang...  :-o
sorry to disagree with you bro, gamit ko sa wbox ko with p audio imf hp18b 600 watts is konzert k10, ok siya tumunog. nasa technician din yan kung magaling siya sa pagtimpla. narent yung sound system ko in a graduation and 7th birthday party, and there was a guest dj, he was very satisfied sa tunog ng sounds, wbox  for the sub and b3 sigma 215A as mains lang ang set up. :-D
Title: Re: Konzert K10, meron na ba ditong nakatry na gumamit in 4 ohms load?
Post by: eirol_99 on April 01, 2012, 03:21:24 PM
sorry to disagree with you bro, gamit ko sa wbox ko with p audio imf hp18b 600 watts is konzert k10, ok siya tumunog. nasa technician din yan kung magaling siya sa pagtimpla. narent yung sound system ko in a graduation and 7th birthday party, and there was a guest dj, he was very satisfied sa tunog ng sounds, wbox  for the sub and b3 sigma 215A as mains lang ang set up. :-D


^like hehehe
Title: Re: Konzert K10, meron na ba ditong nakatry na gumamit in 4 ohms load?
Post by: mm16 on April 01, 2012, 08:37:31 PM
sorry to disagree with you bro, gamit ko sa wbox ko with p audio imf hp18b 600 watts is konzert k10, ok siya tumunog. nasa technician din yan kung magaling siya sa pagtimpla. narent yung sound system ko in a graduation and 7th birthday party, and there was a guest dj, he was very satisfied sa tunog ng sounds, wbox  for the sub and b3 sigma 215A as mains lang ang set up. :-D


Bro kaya ba nang k10 ang apat na T&T 1000watts?  :? :? panu po e set yun sa likod nang k10?

Salamat bro in advance... :cute:
Title: Re: Konzert K10, meron na ba ditong nakatry na gumamit in 4 ohms load?
Post by: N1X on April 02, 2012, 03:46:11 PM
panapat lang yan TNT AK18 siguro sa K10 kasi di naman kalakasan ang TNT na yan pero kung 4 na JH186 haha ewan lang natin  :-D
Title: Re: Konzert K10, meron na ba ditong nakatry na gumamit in 4 ohms load?
Post by: mm16 on April 02, 2012, 06:56:15 PM
panapat lang yan TNT AK18 siguro sa K10 kasi di naman kalakasan ang TNT na yan pero kung 4 na JH186 haha ewan lang natin  :-D


Yan ba yang jackhummer?? kaya ba nang k10 dalhin pang sub ang battle 18" na Live??
Title: Re: Konzert K10, meron na ba ditong nakatry na gumamit in 4 ohms load?
Post by: tjlimjoco on April 02, 2012, 07:23:47 PM
panapat lang yan TNT AK18 siguro sa K10 kasi di naman kalakasan ang TNT na yan pero kung 4 na JH186 haha ewan lang natin  :-D


Yan ba yang jackhummer?? kaya ba nang k10 dalhin pang sub ang battle 18" na Live??

Bos sa experience namin pinaka-ok pa ang P-Audio IMF HP18b na i-drive ng K10.  Mas efficient kasi ang P-Audio sa mga nabanggit nyong brands.  In short hindi "hard driven" ika nga o hindi "takaw amp".  :)
Title: Re: Konzert K10, meron na ba ditong nakatry na gumamit in 4 ohms load?
Post by: mm16 on April 02, 2012, 08:57:07 PM
Salamat bro for the info...  :-) :-)
Title: Re: Konzert K10, meron na ba ditong nakatry na gumamit in 4 ohms load?
Post by: mix on April 03, 2012, 01:07:32 AM
panapat lang yan TNT AK18 siguro sa K10 kasi di naman kalakasan ang TNT na yan pero kung 4 na JH186 haha ewan lang natin  :-D
swerte na kung pumalo ng 500w ang TNT,ang JH186  swerte na rin kng mka-700w yan.dinadaya kasi nila ang power para magmukha mura.
Title: Re: Konzert K10, meron na ba ditong nakatry na gumamit in 4 ohms load?
Post by: tjlimjoco on April 03, 2012, 09:02:54 AM
swerte na kung pumalo ng 500w ang TNT,ang JH186  swerte na rin kng mka-700w yan.dinadaya kasi nila ang power para magmukha mura.

Yan bos ang "trending" ngayon - false specs !!!  :-D
Title: Re: Konzert K10, meron na ba ditong nakatry na gumamit in 4 ohms load?
Post by: Audiomaster on April 03, 2012, 09:27:24 AM
Yan bos ang "trending" ngayon - false specs !!!  :-D

P audio lang ang walang daya  :-D
1700 W 41/2 voice coil  220 mm magnet walang daya
Title: Re: Konzert K10, meron na ba ditong nakatry na gumamit in 4 ohms load?
Post by: spacejam on April 03, 2012, 10:24:18 AM
P audio lang ang walang daya  :-D
1700 W 41/2 voice coil  220 mm magnet walang daya
Yan ang dating ko pang tinatnong... Alangan naman mas mataas ang watts nun sa pd1850 na precission device ? Mas malaki ang magnet nun and mas malaki ang  voice coil... 800w Lang nakasulat sa website ... I'm sure na world class materials ng mga precision device speakers...nakapagtataka...

http://www.precision-devices.com/ShowDetails.asp?id=15

Title: Re: Konzert K10, meron na ba ditong nakatry na gumamit in 4 ohms load?
Post by: eirol_99 on April 03, 2012, 05:41:37 PM
AES rated ang 1700w ng p-audio sd-18 1700 nila, yung PD eh RMS ang rating. di gaya ng light bulb ang speaker na if mas malakas wattage eh mas malakas ang ilaw.
Title: Re: Konzert K10, meron na ba ditong nakatry na gumamit in 4 ohms load?
Post by: tjlimjoco on April 03, 2012, 07:32:04 PM
Yan ang dating ko pang tinatnong... Alangan naman mas mataas ang watts nun sa pd1850 na precission device ? Mas malaki ang magnet nun and mas malaki ang  voice coil... 800w Lang nakasulat sa website ... I'm sure na world class materials ng mga precision device speakers...nakapagtataka...

http://www.precision-devices.com/ShowDetails.asp?id=15

Bos lumang model na yata ang PD1850 eh.

Sa FANE loudspeakers naman, 4" voice coil diameter lang standard nila.  Meron 1200w, 1500w, 1000w, 800w, 400w etc.  AES rated na din.  Mapapansin nyo na hindi parang batya ang laki ng mga magnets nila  :-D.  Sa akin palagay, dito pumapasok ang speaker engineering na tinatawag.  :)

FANE WEBSITE:

http://www.fane-acoustics.com/professional.aspx
Title: Re: Konzert K10, meron na ba ditong nakatry na gumamit in 4 ohms load?
Post by: spacejam on April 03, 2012, 07:53:21 PM
Bos lumang model na yata ang PD1850 eh.

Sa FANE loudspeakers naman, 4" voice coil diameter lang standard nila.  Meron 1200w, 1500w, 1000w, 800w, 400w etc.  AES rated na din.  Mapapansin nyo na hindi parang batya ang laki ng mga magnets nila  :-D.  Sa akin palagay, dito pumapasok ang speaker engineering na tinatawag.  :)

FANE WEBSITE:

http://www.fane-acoustics.com/professional.aspx
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May nakapag subok ba nito? Totoo bang mas malakas Ito sa PD 1850...
Title: Re: Konzert K10, meron na ba ditong nakatry na gumamit in 4 ohms load?
Post by: tjlimjoco on April 03, 2012, 08:12:08 PM
Add ko din ito bos yung FAITAL PRO 18XL1600 (Made In Italy naman) na 4" voice coil diameter din pero pumapalo naman 1600w AES power handling.  Ang magnet din nyan hindi parang batya ang laki  :-D.  Kung papano nila napapa-abot ng 1600w sa 4" voice coil lang eh sa akin palagay ulit, nasa speaker engineering na yan pumapasok.

FAITAL PRO 18XL1600:

http://www.faitalpro.com/products/schede/hps.php?id=201070140

Title: Re: Konzert K10, meron na ba ditong nakatry na gumamit in 4 ohms load?
Post by: Audiomaster on April 03, 2012, 09:03:41 PM
Add ko din ito bos yung FAITAL PRO 18XL1600 (Made In Italy naman) na 4" voice coil diameter din pero pumapalo naman 1600w AES power handling.  Ang magnet din nyan hindi parang batya ang laki  :-D.  Kung papano nila napapa-abot ng 1600w sa 4" voice coil lang eh sa akin palagay ulit, nasa speaker engineering na yan pumapasok.

FAITAL PRO 18XL1600:

http://www.faitalpro.com/products/schede/hps.php?id=201070140

 made in italy pala ang faitalpro ang p audio gawa sa thailand at gawa sa china ang mga parts
Kaya walang daya ang p audio nasa engineering lang , hi end spk ang faitalpro ang p audio med end lang po!
Title: Re: Konzert K10, meron na ba ditong nakatry na gumamit in 4 ohms load?
Post by: spacejam on April 03, 2012, 09:06:00 PM


Sir Parang di nakapaniwala po Ito... Pero to tell you the truth sir... Nakita ko po Ang voice coil fatal pro and ng p. Audio ... Pag nakita nyo po Ang voice coil ng fatal pro alam nyo po Kung bakit mahal Ito... One of the best speakers in the world..Ang p.audio I also saw is better than the jackhammer or t&t voice coil... But compared to faital pro...iba talaga Ang technology ng fatal pro  :) Kung gusto nyo talagang branded speakers nyo... Buy faital  pro
Title: Re: Konzert K10, meron na ba ditong nakatry na gumamit in 4 ohms load?
Post by: spacejam on April 03, 2012, 09:10:17 PM
made in italy pala ang faitalpro ang p audio gawa sa thailand at gawa sa china ang mga parts
Kaya walang daya ang p audio nasa engineering lang , hi end spk ang faitalpro ang p audio med end lang po!
sir did you know na Ang may ari ng p.audio is a Chinese guy?
Title: Re: Konzert K10, meron na ba ditong nakatry na gumamit in 4 ohms load?
Post by: tjlimjoco on April 03, 2012, 09:39:39 PM
made in italy pala ang faitalpro ang p audio gawa sa thailand at gawa sa china ang mga parts
Kaya walang daya ang p audio nasa engineering lang , hi end spk ang faitalpro ang p audio med end lang po!

Bos ang ibig mong sabihin ay nagdadaya ang P-Audio?
Title: Re: Konzert K10, meron na ba ditong nakatry na gumamit in 4 ohms load?
Post by: king_james on April 03, 2012, 10:14:42 PM
@ tjlimjoco

Bro, whatever they claim to be this or that, I think you already substantiated your point on the speaker engineering issue like what you said about Fane and Faital Pro.  Nice point raised.   :-) :-)
Title: Re: Konzert K10, meron na ba ditong nakatry na gumamit in 4 ohms load?
Post by: spacejam on April 03, 2012, 10:20:07 PM
@ tjlimjoco

Bro, whatever they claim to be this or that, I think you already substantiated your point on the speaker engineering issue like what you said about Fane and Faital Pro.  Nice point raised.   :-) :-)

So ibig ba sabihin sir... Walang speaker engineering Ang precision device and void.. Di sila updated?
Young bago nilang speaker PD 1851 naka sulat sa webistr nila eh... 1000w RMS AND AES

http://www.precision-devices.com/showdetails.asp?id=86
Title: Re: Konzert K10, meron na ba ditong nakatry na gumamit in 4 ohms load?
Post by: Audiomaster on April 03, 2012, 10:22:17 PM
Yan bos ang "trending" ngayon - false specs !!!  :-D

sir like you said  same lang sa tingin ko sa p audio
Title: Re: Konzert K10, meron na ba ditong nakatry na gumamit in 4 ohms load?
Post by: spacejam on April 03, 2012, 10:39:31 PM
sir like you said  same lang sa tingin ko sa p audio

Sir for me naman...p.audio is better than the crowns and t&ts hence the price... But not as good as  the precision device and the nexo speakers hence also the price
Title: Re: Konzert K10, meron na ba ditong nakatry na gumamit in 4 ohms load?
Post by: Audiomaster on April 03, 2012, 11:09:45 PM
@ tjlimjoco

Bro, whatever they claim to be this or that, I think you already substantiated your point on the speaker engineering issue like what you said about Fane and Faital Pro.  Nice point raised.   :-) :-)

Sir wag niyo icompare ang p audio at faital pro baka ho magsara ang factory ng faital pro wala nang bumili puro p audio nalang ang bilhin :-D
Title: Re: Konzert K10, meron na ba ditong nakatry na gumamit in 4 ohms load?
Post by: king_james on April 04, 2012, 12:04:34 AM
I guess simply check first the manufacturer's website (kung meron) and the basic Thiele Small Parameters and perhaps some other (reputable) forums, just to have an idea about the speaker's history performance if any of us here in PhilMusic would want to invest on any speaker brand in the future.

At least we can have a better understanding on the speaker's specs and design technology.  Sa tagal at dami naman ng mga posts dito, we can learn more from the owners and users who can attest the real credibilty of a particular speaker brand. Just be patient lang to back read.   :-) :-)
Title: Re: Konzert K10, meron na ba ditong nakatry na gumamit in 4 ohms load?
Post by: king_james on April 04, 2012, 12:07:38 AM
So ibig ba sabihin sir... Walang speaker engineering Ang precision device and void.. Di sila updated?
Young bago nilang speaker PD 1851 naka sulat sa webistr nila eh... 1000w RMS AND AES

http://www.precision-devices.com/showdetails.asp?id=86

No bro.  Forgot to mention this share of yours.  My apologies.  I am just being aware of this brand.  Meron ka ba nito?    :-) :-)
Title: Re: Konzert K10, meron na ba ditong nakatry na gumamit in 4 ohms load?
Post by: spacejam on April 04, 2012, 12:11:06 AM
No bro.  Forgot to mention this share of yours.  My apologies.  I am just being aware of this brand.  Meron ka ba nito?    :-) :-)
I guess simply check first the manufacturer's website (kung meron) and the basic Thiele Small Parameters and perhaps some other (reputable) forums, just to have an idea about the speaker's history performance if any of us here in PhilMusic would want to invest on any speaker brand in the future.

At
least we can have a better understanding on the speaker's specs and design technology.  Sa tagal at dami naman ng mga posts dito, we can learn more from the owners and users who can attest the real credibilty of a particular speaker brand. Just be patient lang to back read.   :-) :-)

Sir , Di po same Ang level ng faital pro and p. Audio. Anybody who is in the pro audio business knows that.Ang crown po and t&t have their own websites...
Title: Re: Konzert K10, meron na ba ditong nakatry na gumamit in 4 ohms load?
Post by: king_james on April 04, 2012, 12:20:10 AM
@ spacejam

Bro I think I never mentioned that Paudio and Faitalpro is on the same level.  :-) :-)

BTW please share the Crown and T&T websites so that we can view their respective specs.
Title: Re: Konzert K10, meron na ba ditong nakatry na gumamit in 4 ohms load?
Post by: spacejam on April 04, 2012, 12:23:36 AM
Sir google search mo na lang :)
Title: Re: Konzert K10, meron na ba ditong nakatry na gumamit in 4 ohms load?
Post by: king_james on April 04, 2012, 12:27:02 AM
Sir google search mo na lang :)

Thanks bro for the valuable info.  Akala ko alam mo  :-) :-)
Title: Re: Konzert K10, meron na ba ditong nakatry na gumamit in 4 ohms load?
Post by: spacejam on April 04, 2012, 12:35:38 AM
Sir mabilis  Lang naman po yan... Type mo crown Philippines... Lalabas na po yun website nila... Then type mo neusch and t&t llamas naman po website ng sound pro
Kung tinatamad Ito na Lang po para direct...

http://www.crown.com.ph/

http://www.soundprofessionals.com.ph/

hope this helps
 :-D
Title: Re: Konzert K10, meron na ba ditong nakatry na gumamit in 4 ohms load?
Post by: king_james on April 04, 2012, 12:38:35 AM
@ spacejam

Thanks  :-) :-)
Title: Re: Konzert K10, meron na ba ditong nakatry na gumamit in 4 ohms load?
Post by: Audiomaster on April 04, 2012, 12:42:56 AM
I guess simply check first the manufacturer's website (kung meron) and the basic Thiele Small Parameters and perhaps some other (reputable) forums, just to have an idea about the speaker's history performance if any of us here in PhilMusic would want to invest on any speaker brand in the future.

At least we can have a better understanding on the speaker's specs and design technology.  Sa tagal at dami naman ng mga posts dito, we can learn more from the owners and users who can attest the real credibilty of a particular speaker brand. Just be patient lang to back read.   :-) :-)

+100
Title: Re: Konzert K10, meron na ba ditong nakatry na gumamit in 4 ohms load?
Post by: spacejam on April 04, 2012, 12:44:14 AM
 @ king James
You're welcome  :-D
Title: Re: Konzert K10, meron na ba ditong nakatry na gumamit in 4 ohms load?
Post by: N1X on April 04, 2012, 03:12:10 AM
siguro mga sir to make the story short, lets face the fact na halos lahat naman ng gamit may hanganan. and we can't tell who's good and not. wala rin ako respeto sa K10 pero kung babasehan naman presyo nya napaka layo sa mga Crell at Lexus na yan
Title: Re: Konzert K10, meron na ba ditong nakatry na gumamit in 4 ohms load?
Post by: mm16 on April 04, 2012, 10:38:19 AM
Sir mabilis  Lang naman po yan... Type mo crown Philippines... Lalabas na po yun website nila... Then type mo neusch and t&t llamas naman po website ng sound pro
Kung tinatamad Ito na Lang po para direct...

http://www.crown.com.ph/

http://www.soundprofessionals.com.ph/

hope this helps
 :-D

Salamat bro finally nakita ko na website ng neusch at T&t.. Matagal ko na search sa google peru hindi ko makita kita..   :-) :-)
Title: Re: Konzert K10, meron na ba ditong nakatry na gumamit in 4 ohms load?
Post by: 1022jv on October 25, 2012, 01:18:06 PM
Yan ang dating ko pang tinatnong... Alangan naman mas mataas ang watts nun sa pd1850 na precission device ? Mas malaki ang magnet nun and mas malaki ang  voice coil... 800w Lang nakasulat sa website ... I'm sure na world class materials ng mga precision device speakers...nakapagtataka...

http://www.precision-devices.com/ShowDetails.asp?id=15

 Look at the specs of the speaker Paudio Sd18-el 1700watts.  Gumagamit sila ng  square wire sa voice coil.  Mas tipid sa lugar yung square wire kaysa round wire.  Yung live anu ba ginamit na wire sa voice coil?  Kung false specs po yung Paudio, Bakit sing lakas lang yung C18-650el 1200watts 4inch coil at yung SD18-el 1200 watts 5inch coil.   
Title: Re: Konzert K10, meron na ba ditong nakatry na gumamit in 4 ohms load?
Post by: Live Pro Audio on October 26, 2012, 11:48:51 AM
  Yung live anu ba ginamit na wire sa voice coil? 

Live spk use pure copper 6sn flat wire for battle 18
Our new model use titanium copper voice coil
Title: Re: Konzert K10, meron na ba ditong nakatry na gumamit in 4 ohms load?
Post by: alghanold on October 27, 2012, 05:33:04 AM
Look at the specs of the speaker Paudio Sd18-el 1700watts.  Gumagamit sila ng  square wire sa voice coil.  Mas tipid sa lugar yung square wire kaysa round wire.  Yung live anu ba ginamit na wire sa voice coil?  Kung false specs po yung Paudio, Bakit sing lakas lang yung C18-650el 1200watts 4inch coil at yung SD18-el 1200 watts 5inch coil.   

 Hnd lng wattage ng speaker basehan ng lakas. Higher wattage speaker are mostly loaded to bass reflex cab to achieve high spl. In a horn design box is a different story hnd wattage ang hinahanap nyan, a 600 to 1000 watt with hi xmax at bl, low qts, ok na yan. Speaker are rated at thermal watt hnd katulad sa amplifier kaya the higher the watts the higher the compression.
Title: Re: Konzert K10, meron na ba ditong nakatry na gumamit in 4 ohms load?
Post by: mants on October 27, 2012, 07:11:46 AM
Hnd lng wattage ng speaker basehan ng lakas. Higher wattage speaker are mostly loaded to bass reflex cab to achieve high spl. In a horn design box is a different story hnd wattage ang hinahanap nyan, a 600 to 1000 watt with hi xmax at bl, low qts, ok na yan. Speaker are rated at thermal watt hnd katulad sa amplifier kaya the higher the watts the higher the compression.
sir sa horn loaded box like WSX some are using JH186 , Lexus, Live, C18 1200wtts ,IMF 18B, SD18el ,sa mga local at china speakers karamihan ay walang tayong makikitang TS parameters ,so papaano po kaya natin malalaman kung anong local at china speakers ang match sa wsx , yong Paudio meron TS parameter sa site nila..
Title: Re: Konzert K10, meron na ba ditong nakatry na gumamit in 4 ohms load?
Post by: Live Pro Audio on October 27, 2012, 09:06:48 AM
Live spk have TS parameters inside the box , sir jojo already made some wsx box for our spk
Title: Re: Konzert K10, meron na ba ditong nakatry na gumamit in 4 ohms load?
Post by: 1022jv on October 27, 2012, 09:53:55 AM
Hnd lng wattage ng speaker basehan ng lakas. Higher wattage speaker are mostly loaded to bass reflex cab to achieve high spl. In a horn design box is a different story hnd wattage ang hinahanap nyan, a 600 to 1000 watt with hi xmax at bl, low qts, ok na yan. Speaker are rated at thermal watt hnd katulad sa amplifier kaya the higher the watts the higher the compression.
   Yung sound output po yung sinasabi ko yung actual sound po.  May nakarinig dito na yung C18-650el 1200 watts ay sing lakas or mas malakas ng kaunti sa SD18-EL 1000watts sa parehong amp at box.  Ako mismo nakarinig rin ng comparison nila. 
Title: Re: Konzert K10, meron na ba ditong nakatry na gumamit in 4 ohms load?
Post by: Max_C on October 27, 2012, 12:14:21 PM
   Yung sound output po yung sinasabi ko yung actual sound po.  May nakarinig dito na yung C18-650el 1200 watts ay sing lakas or mas malakas ng kaunti sa SD18-EL 1000watts sa parehong amp at box.  Ako mismo nakarinig rin ng comparison nila.
Tama ka brad. Yun nabili ko na SD18EL 5" VCOIL 1000W kay Sir Jef dito sa Philmusic pina demo ko sa kaibigan namin na meron bagong C18 650EL 4" VCOIL 1200W.  Halos parehas ang lakas.  Ang amp ko muna ginamit na RMX5050 at next yun CRELL CA20 din ng kaibigan ko.  Ang maganda sa bagong C18 ay magaan lang.  Ang lumang SD18EL sobrang bigat at umaangal lagi yun mga boys!
Title: Re: Konzert K10, meron na ba ditong nakatry na gumamit in 4 ohms load?
Post by: Ja! on October 27, 2012, 12:40:18 PM
sir Max_C kamusta tunog ng rmx 5050 at kumpara sa crell ca-20?
Title: Re: Konzert K10, meron na ba ditong nakatry na gumamit in 4 ohms load?
Post by: Max_C on October 27, 2012, 01:10:50 PM
sir Max_C kamusta tunog ng rmx 5050 at kumpara sa crell ca-20?
Brad parehas malakas ang 2 amps pero kung sa sound quality ang pag-uusapan, malaki ang lamang ng RMX5050. 

Sa patagalan ng paggamit, ang CA20 kapag umiiinit na, napapansin namin humihina ang bayo.  Sa RMX5050 consistent ang lakas ng bayo.

Sa speaker protection naman, bagsak dito ang CA20. Dami nasibak samin na speakers. Hindi ko lang alam sa mga bagong batch ng CA20 kung ok na sila.

Title: Re: Konzert K10, meron na ba ditong nakatry na gumamit in 4 ohms load?
Post by: audio fanatic on October 27, 2012, 06:07:45 PM
Live spk have TS parameters inside the box , sir jojo already made some wsx box for our spk
napanood ko dati sir sa youtube yong testeng ng WSX ng masterfix loaded ng storm @ 20k saka live batle 18 sa sobrang lakas ng speaker at amps ay napapalakad yong box,,ganon po ba ka lakas yong live speaker,,
Title: Re: Konzert K10, meron na ba ditong nakatry na gumamit in 4 ohms load?
Post by: 1022jv on October 28, 2012, 12:14:54 AM
napanood ko dati sir sa youtube yong testeng ng WSX ng masterfix loaded ng storm @ 20k saka live batle 18 sa sobrang lakas ng speaker at amps ay napapalakad yong box,,ganon po ba ka lakas yong live speaker,,
Anung amp ang ginamit?
Title: Re: Konzert K10, meron na ba ditong nakatry na gumamit in 4 ohms load?
Post by: alghanold on October 28, 2012, 03:31:08 AM
sir sa horn loaded box like WSX some are using JH186 , Lexus, Live, C18 1200wtts ,IMF 18B, SD18el ,sa mga local at china speakers karamihan ay walang tayong makikitang TS parameters ,so papaano po kaya natin malalaman kung anong local at china speakers ang match sa wsx , yong Paudio meron TS parameter sa site nila..
Karamihan myrun pero mga basic lng binigay at pwding makuha yn ibang values by deriving and computing. Search nu sa net yan formula kng panu makuha dami site dyan. Yn xmax ng driver sa loob sukatin ang vc length at gap height then subtract then divide by 2. Masukat lng pg inalis yn vc. About china speaker malalaki lng mga magnet kaya normaly mataas ang BL value at pg mataas BL normaly mababa dn yn qts  value kaya mdyo ok na ilagay sa mga horn box.kahinaan lng pg  malamg humahataw pa pero pg ilang oras na at uminit na malaki na ang loss o power compression, mataas yn compresion ratio kaya kht mg gain ka pa sa amp at mixer d na lalakas. D ba naeexperience nio to mga bro, sinabayan pa ng china amp na pg umiinit humuhina dn, d lalong humina pa.hehehe
Title: Re: Konzert K10, meron na ba ditong nakatry na gumamit in 4 ohms load?
Post by: audio fanatic on October 28, 2012, 07:10:10 AM
Anung amp ang ginamit?
Live Fet3000 yong amps na ginamit sir,, live battle 18 at live tsunami @20k yong speaker
Title: Re: Konzert K10, meron na ba ditong nakatry na gumamit in 4 ohms load?
Post by: spacejam on October 28, 2012, 08:53:55 AM
Karamihan myrun pero mga basic lng binigay at pwding makuha yn ibang values by deriving and computing. Search nu sa net yan formula kng panu makuha dami site dyan. Yn xmax ng driver sa loob sukatin ang vc length at gap height then subtract then divide by 2. Masukat lng pg inalis yn vc. About china speaker malalaki lng mga magnet kaya normaly mataas ang BL value at pg mataas BL normaly mababa dn yn qts  value kaya mdyo ok na ilagay sa mga horn box.kahinaan lng pg  malamg humahataw pa pero pg ilang oras na at uminit na malaki na ang loss o power compression, mataas yn compresion ratio kaya kht mg gain ka pa sa amp at mixer d na lalakas. D ba naeexperience nio to mga bro, sinabayan pa ng china amp na pg umiinit humuhina dn, d lalong humina pa.hehehe

It depends on the materials used like cone, damper and voice coil.. Also the cooling system. And the design ng speaker. Just because malaki magnet but the materials used are sub stanndard.. Walang kwenta...  Pero Kung world class quality Ang materials ginamit I'm sure na maganda po yan. Taob pati po neo speakers ng branded... Malaking factor po Kung malaking magnet and malaking voice coil... Pero you better need a big amp to drive the speaker...
Title: Re: Konzert K10, meron na ba ditong nakatry na gumamit in 4 ohms load?
Post by: mants on October 28, 2012, 12:14:51 PM
It depends on the materials used like cone, damper and voice coil.. Also the cooling system. And the design ng speaker. Just because malaki magnet but the materials used are sub stanndard.. Walang kwenta...  Pero Kung world class quality Ang materials ginamit I'm sure na maganda po yan. Taob pati po neo speakers ng branded... Malaking factor po Kung malaking magnet and malaking voice coil... Pero you better need a big amp to drive the speaker...
doon nalang ako sir sa 220mm magnet size at 4"VC pero branded naman at cgurado ang mga materyales na ginamit at dina din kailangan ng malakas na amps na pang drive...maybe sa iloilo kailangan nila talaga ng malalaking magnet at VC na speaker kc nag babattle sila doon,,at kaya yata lumabas  ngayon yong mga 6" VC at 300mm magnet size ay para doon sa taga iloilo  :-D
Title: Re: Konzert K10, meron na ba ditong nakatry na gumamit in 4 ohms load?
Post by: 1022jv on October 28, 2012, 01:20:49 PM
doon nalang ako sir sa 220mm magnet size at 4"VC pero branded naman at cgurado ang mga materyales na ginamit at dina din kailangan ng malakas na amps na pang drive...maybe sa iloilo kailangan nila talaga ng malalaking magnet at VC na speaker kc nag babattle sila doon,,at kaya yata lumabas  ngayon yong mga 6" VC at 300mm magnet size ay para doon sa taga iloilo  :-D
   Tama ka Sir. Mants.  :-D
Title: Re: Konzert K10, meron na ba ditong nakatry na gumamit in 4 ohms load?
Post by: spacejam on October 28, 2012, 04:00:04 PM
doon nalang ako sir sa 220mm magnet size at 4"VC pero branded naman at cgurado ang mga materyales na ginamit at dina din kailangan ng malakas na amps na pang drive...maybe sa iloilo kailangan nila talaga ng malalaking magnet at VC na speaker kc nag babattle sila doon,,at kaya yata lumabas  ngayon yong mga 6" VC at 300mm magnet size ay para doon sa taga iloilo  :-D

Sir Hindi po binibili ng Customer brand... Binibili nila quality na speaker. Meaning po faital pro, precision device, Rcf, 18 sound and b&c...yan Ang tunay
 na quality speaker

Title: Re: Konzert K10, meron na ba ditong nakatry na gumamit in 4 ohms load?
Post by: alghanold on October 28, 2012, 05:39:56 PM
It depends on the materials used like cone, damper and voice coil.. Also the cooling system. And the design ng speaker. Just because malaki magnet but the materials used are sub stanndard.. Walang kwenta...  Pero Kung world class quality Ang materials ginamit I'm sure na maganda po yan. Taob pati po neo speakers ng branded... Malaking factor po Kung malaking magnet and malaking voice coil... Pero you better need a big amp to drive the speaker...
We all know by the price alone and compare to those reputable brands we can conclude that this speaker are low grade. They used low cost materials that in the run long expect mechanical failure so it is advisable to buy  those reputable brands.
Title: Re: Konzert K10, meron na ba ditong nakatry na gumamit in 4 ohms load?
Post by: 1022jv on October 28, 2012, 05:49:58 PM
Sir Hindi po binibili ng Customer brand... Binibili nila quality na speaker. Meaning po faital pro, precision device, Rcf, 18 sound and b&c...yan Ang tunay
 na quality speaker
     Maaford ba ng karamihan ang mga  speaker na yan dito?  Yung Paudio lang yata ang bang of the buck speaker dito may durability at good sound quality, kahit saan isabak pewde na.   Hindi man sila ang pinakamalakas pero hindi rin sila nagpapahuli sa mga branded na sinasabi mo.
Title: Re: Konzert K10, meron na ba ditong nakatry na gumamit in 4 ohms load?
Post by: mants on October 28, 2012, 06:25:17 PM
Sir Hindi po binibili ng Customer brand... Binibili nila quality na speaker. Meaning po faital pro, precision device, Rcf, 18 sound and b&c...yan Ang tunay
 na quality speaker
mostly naman sir pag ang isang brand ng speaker ay kilala na sa ibang bansa at marami na ang gumagamit nito international nangangahulogan na ito ay may quality ,,
Title: Re: Konzert K10, meron na ba ditong nakatry na gumamit in 4 ohms load?
Post by: spacejam on October 28, 2012, 07:28:25 PM
mostly naman sir pag ang isang brand ng speaker ay kilala na sa ibang bansa at marami na ang gumagamit nito international nangangahulogan na ito ay may quality ,,
Yes po. Yan po mga brand na ginagamit ng mga touring companies... Mahal sila pero proven na..also forgot to mention another brand na proven... fane po.
Title: Re: Konzert K10, meron na ba ditong nakatry na gumamit in 4 ohms load?
Post by: alghanold on October 28, 2012, 07:46:15 PM
B&c speakers bro daming sinusuplyan yan dyn ngpapagawa ang martin audio, danlley, eaw. Basrmax,
Title: Re: Konzert K10, meron na ba ditong nakatry na gumamit in 4 ohms load?
Post by: spacejam on October 28, 2012, 07:51:48 PM
Yes actually sir napansin ko Lang sa china... Mas gusto nila European brand kesa American brand... Mas prefer nila Rcf, B&C and Martin audio speakers while here mas prefer natin jbl.
Title: Re: Konzert K10, meron na ba ditong nakatry na gumamit in 4 ohms load?
Post by: spacejam on October 28, 2012, 07:56:38 PM
     Maaford ba ng karamihan ang mga  speaker na yan dito?  Yung Paudio lang yata ang bang of the buck speaker dito may durability at good sound quality, kahit saan isabak pewde na.   Hindi man sila ang pinakamalakas pero hindi rin sila nagpapahuli sa mga branded na sinasabi mo.

Sorry I beg to differ. Kaya Nga mas mahal Ang mga branded sa p. audio is because their material is much much better than that. Once saw faital pro voice coil and isa Lang masasabi ko... Wow! Ngayon alam ko na Kung bakit mahal faital pro
Title: Re: Konzert K10, meron na ba ditong nakatry na gumamit in 4 ohms load?
Post by: alghanold on October 28, 2012, 08:04:22 PM
Faital pro bagong company pa yn pero succesful sa market
Title: Re: Konzert K10, meron na ba ditong nakatry na gumamit in 4 ohms load?
Post by: spacejam on October 28, 2012, 08:06:25 PM
Yes may quality :)
Title: Re: Konzert K10, meron na ba ditong nakatry na gumamit in 4 ohms load?
Post by: 1022jv on October 28, 2012, 08:50:26 PM
Yes may quality :)
  Yung European Brands at American Brands Speakers talagang mataas yung quality nila. Yung parts na ginagamit hindi generic, there parts are made for one specific design or model and cannot be used in another if possible. Hindi katulad ibang Asian Brands na generic dahil yung isang part pwede mo magamit sa maraming brands of speakers.  Tulad ng double magnet bihirang makita yan sa european at american brands.
Title: Re: Konzert K10, meron na ba ditong nakatry na gumamit in 4 ohms load?
Post by: tjlimjoco on October 29, 2012, 01:51:51 AM
Sa Faital Pro, B&C, Fane, RCF, 18 Sound at PD speaker components, ilang grupo na kaya gumagamit nito sa Pinas ?
Title: Re: Konzert K10, meron na ba ditong nakatry na gumamit in 4 ohms load?
Post by: ermita on October 29, 2012, 02:49:17 AM
would also add ng Celestion, Royal Turbomax, Volt amongst good European drivers.

must admit some of them do sound really good on a right box and good engineer :)

but that doesnt mean they dont fail as well as generic drivers do :-)

Title: Re: Konzert K10, meron na ba ditong nakatry na gumamit in 4 ohms load?
Post by: alghanold on October 29, 2012, 03:45:09 AM
Celestion at b&c yn ang supplier ng qsc na ginagamt sa box nla. I only know jbl, ev,das,rcf, cv manufacturd ther own driver  at the same time box. Most professional speaker manufacturer, b&c ang provider ng driver nla even famous l-acoustic sa b&c. Nexo,turbosound, bose, d&b, yorkville sa b&c. good engineering tong b&c
Title: Re: Konzert K10, meron na ba ditong nakatry na gumamit in 4 ohms load?
Post by: ermita on October 29, 2012, 05:00:59 AM
agree B&C drivers are really good quality and sounding drivers....(do like the sound of their comps :))........Sica also from Italy provides loudspeakers for other Manufacturers.

Beyma and BMS are good sounding drivers also.
Title: Re: Konzert K10, meron na ba ditong nakatry na gumamit in 4 ohms load?
Post by: mants on October 29, 2012, 07:06:41 AM
Sa Faital Pro, B&C, Fane, RCF, 18 Sound at PD speaker components, ilang grupo na kaya gumagamit nito sa Pinas ?
sa mahal ng price ng mga ito sir, baka mangilan ngilan lang ang meron nito ,yong may mga malalaking sounds lang cguro ang meron nito saka yong madatung :-D,,eh Paudio nga halos di pa kaya  :-D
Title: Re: Konzert K10, meron na ba ditong nakatry na gumamit in 4 ohms load?
Post by: spacejam on October 29, 2012, 08:48:52 AM
agree B&C drivers are really good quality and sounding drivers....(do like the sound of their comps :))........Sica also from Italy provides loudspeakers for other Manufacturers.

Beyma and BMS are good sounding drivers also.

Yes heard about beyma and bms... But never hEard of Sica... New company?
Title: Re: Konzert K10, meron na ba ditong nakatry na gumamit in 4 ohms load?
Post by: tjlimjoco on October 29, 2012, 10:30:11 AM
sa mahal ng price ng mga ito sir, baka mangilan ngilan lang ang meron nito ,yong may mga malalaking sounds lang cguro ang meron nito saka yong madatung :-D,,eh Paudio nga halos di pa kaya  :-D

Yun na nga Bos Mants. 

Nakakwentuhan ko dati si Bos Richard Tan. Hirap daw talaga nila maibenta ang Faital Pro dahil, una, mahal ito at pangalawa, yun na-compare nila sa P.audio Sd18-1700el, halos parehas lang daw ang lakas at quality. Gamit pa nilang amp ay yun Powersoft  :-o

Pati sila Bass Head na nagpasok ng PD, B&C at Fane ganun din ang naikwento.  At dahil na din sa mahal ng mga tinda nila at lagi P.audio ang reference ng mga inaalok nila.  Proven na daw kasi ang performance at mas affordable ang P.audio.  Kwento ko nga kay Bos Marcel na kami satisfied na sa IMF na very standard model lang :-D
Title: Re: Konzert K10, meron na ba ditong nakatry na gumamit in 4 ohms load?
Post by: 1022jv on October 29, 2012, 12:18:31 PM
Sa Faital Pro, B&C, Fane, RCF, 18 Sound at PD speaker components, ilang grupo na kaya gumagamit nito sa Pinas ?
  Mas marami pangang customer yung LIVE speakers kaysa mga first class na brands na ito.  Yung LIVE speakers naman ay alternative sa PAudio dahil maganda ang materails na ginagamit pero may feedback na may problema sa matching ng boxes at amps.  Yung Paudio kahit saan isabak na box maganda ang resulta at kahit hindi kalakasan ang amps maganda parin ang tunog.  Kahit yung DIY na amp ko na mahina maganda ang resulta sa ng IMF HP18s.
Title: Re: Konzert K10, meron na ba ditong nakatry na gumamit in 4 ohms load?
Post by: Live Pro Audio on October 29, 2012, 12:43:25 PM
  Mas marami pangang customer yung LIVE speakers kaysa mga first class na brands na ito.  Yung LIVE speakers naman ay alternative sa PAudio dahil maganda ang materails na ginagamit pero may feedback na may problema sa matching ng boxes at amps.  Yung Paudio kahit saan isabak na box maganda ang resulta at kahit hindi kalakasan ang amps maganda parin ang tunog.  Kahit yung DIY na amp ko na mahina maganda ang resulta sa ng IMF HP18s.
Sir 1022jv sir kaya po nag labas po kami ng mga bagong amp na macth sa mga spk namin na affortable sa price parin , may quality po din mga material ng mga live spk kaya po ang testing ground po namin ang iloilo kasi po ang mga ilongo po ang pinaka malakas gumamit ng amp at spk pag makapasa sa kanila ang qulity eto ay matibay sa pukpukan sa sound, saka lahat po ng parts ng spk na amin model ay may nabibiling parts sa affortable price para po abot kaya ng mga users
Title: Re: Konzert K10, meron na ba ditong nakatry na gumamit in 4 ohms load?
Post by: 1022jv on October 29, 2012, 04:36:10 PM
Sir 1022jv sir kaya po nag labas po kami ng mga bagong amp na macth sa mga spk namin na affortable sa price parin , may quality po din mga material ng mga live spk kaya po ang testing ground po namin ang iloilo kasi po ang mga ilongo po ang pinaka malakas gumamit ng amp at spk pag makapasa sa kanila ang qulity eto ay matibay sa pukpukan sa sound, saka lahat po ng parts ng spk na amin model ay may nabibiling parts sa affortable price para po abot kaya ng mga users
  Hindi po ako nakaka-aaford ng power amps.  DIY lang yung power amps na kaya ko. Swerte nalang kung aabot ng 500watts yung power amp ko.  Nagpagawa po ako kasi ng box.  Yung LIVE PA-1000 po yung unang gamit ko pero  ng IMF yung ginamit ko mas gumanda yung sound output kaya naibenta ko yung LIVE
Title: Re: Konzert K10, meron na ba ditong nakatry na gumamit in 4 ohms load?
Post by: Live Pro Audio on October 29, 2012, 10:32:55 PM
Sir 1022jv fet1000 is only 24k srp for 1000W @8 ohms 1550W @ 4 ohms per ch
Title: Re: Konzert K10, meron na ba ditong nakatry na gumamit in 4 ohms load?
Post by: gribox on October 29, 2012, 11:17:44 PM
Sir 1022jv fet1000 is only 24k srp for 1000W @8 ohms 1550W @ 4 ohms per ch

sir pa post naman ng internal nitong FET1000 amp...salamat!
Title: Re: Konzert K10, meron na ba ditong nakatry na gumamit in 4 ohms load?
Post by: Live Pro Audio on October 29, 2012, 11:36:27 PM
sir pa post naman ng internal nitong FET1000 amp...salamat!
Sir Gribox you can visit our facebook acct live pro audio product you can see the amp and our other products
Title: Re: Konzert K10, meron na ba ditong nakatry na gumamit in 4 ohms load?
Post by: superwup on October 30, 2012, 07:08:24 AM
Happy to see the designer of Live Audio products in this forum so you can ask directly the "man" who is in charge of the Live products....... :)
Me? Still very happy with me Tsumami's in my Cyclops and the Battle 12 inch  plus the battle high44 in my MT122 .
Very nice cristal clear sound.............

Ps the Live microphone stand will outperform all the other available brands for only 1000 at Raygin, very heavy duty, i need more of them next time i am in Manila... :-D
Title: Re: Konzert K10, meron na ba ditong nakatry na gumamit in 4 ohms load?
Post by: 1022jv on October 30, 2012, 09:01:13 AM
Sir 1022jv fet1000 is only 24k srp for 1000W @8 ohms 1550W @ 4 ohms per ch
      Kahit 24k wala akong instant cash small set-up lang yun sa akin, so ngayon DIY lang muna yung amps ko.  Sir. Live bakit mariming MAUDIO power amp users sa Cebu kung meron naman LIVE?  Yung iba na Galing Crell CA series nag-shift to MAUDIO hindi sa LIVE.  Malakas naman yung amp nyo diba?
Title: Re: Konzert K10, meron na ba ditong nakatry na gumamit in 4 ohms load?
Post by: mm16 on October 30, 2012, 09:11:14 AM
Happy to see the designer of Live Audio products in this forum so you can ask directly the "man" who is in charge of the Live products....... :)
Me? Still very happy with me Tsumami's in my Cyclops and the Battle 12 inch  plus the battle high44 in my MT122 .
Very nice cristal clear sound.............

Ps the Live microphone stand will outperform all the other available brands for only 1000 at Raygin, very heavy duty, i need more of them next time i am in Manila... :-D


+1 ako dito..

Based sa narinig ko sa Lianga Surigao Del Sur na nag served nang Sounds and Lights with band set-up... Yung isang Sound System All Original from US na pinadala sa kanya which is the Peavey Brand. Yun lahat speakers na ginamit niya from hi's down to sub. processors all raine with drive rack pa+, behringer amps for hi's and meds, crown amps for subs and Allen and heath Mixer VS All LIVE spk, processors dbx with drive pa+, qsc amps for mids [12inch mids] and hi's and Ultimate battle amp for subs and Allen and heath mixer..

*Crystal clear with super crisp sound - They are both the same.
*Subs - Live Spk are better.
*Hi's - They are both the same.
*Mid's - They are both the same.
*Over All performance in terms of Louder,crystal clear,freezing cold :cool: sound,and Longer Used I think the Live Spk set-up are better base on what i heard even the owner of the Peavey Set-up said that Live Spk are better than his Peavey speaker.

Basi lang po yan sa narinig ko at sa interview ko sa may ari ng peavey set-up.. Walang bias to ah?  :wave: . Peace sa mga branded user's..  :wave: :-D  Pasensya na din sa bold letters at colored text.. emphasize ko lang mga masters...  :wave: Salamat...
Title: Re: Konzert K10, meron na ba ditong nakatry na gumamit in 4 ohms load?
Post by: Live Pro Audio on October 30, 2012, 09:23:17 AM
  Hindi po ako nakaka-aaford ng power amps.  DIY lang yung power amps na kaya ko. Swerte nalang kung aabot ng 500watts yung power amp ko.  Nagpagawa po ako kasi ng box.  Yung LIVE PA-1000 po yung unang gamit ko pero  ng IMF yung ginamit ko mas gumanda yung sound output kaya naibenta ko yung LIVE
Sir1022jv bagong labas lang kasi mga fet series namin you can try to compaire the 2 amps and post it again the result here if you are in cebu you know where to go to ask and compaire thanks for the info
Title: Re: Konzert K10, meron na ba ditong nakatry na gumamit in 4 ohms load?
Post by: 1022jv on October 30, 2012, 11:18:40 AM
Sir1022jv bagong labas lang kasi mga fet series namin you can try to compaire the 2 amps and post it again the result here if you are in cebu you know where to go to ask and compaire thanks for the info
  Yung Speaker po yung PA live-1000 po.  Di pa po ako bumibili ng power amps dahil hanngang DIY amps lang po ang kaya ko.
Title: Re: Konzert K10, meron na ba ditong nakatry na gumamit in 4 ohms load?
Post by: Live Pro Audio on October 30, 2012, 11:36:43 AM
Mga sir the new fet series is copy of the QSC GX series
Title: Re: Konzert K10, meron na ba ditong nakatry na gumamit in 4 ohms load?
Post by: alghanold on October 31, 2012, 04:16:23 AM
  Yung Speaker po yung PA live-1000 po.  Di pa po ako bumibili ng power amps dahil hanngang DIY amps lang po ang kaya ko.

anung brand ng circuit ang diy mong ampli bro.
Title: Re: Konzert K10, meron na ba ditong nakatry na gumamit in 4 ohms load?
Post by: 1022jv on October 31, 2012, 05:43:38 AM
anung brand ng circuit ang diy mong ampli bro.
  Hindi ako sure pero 70-0-70 Vac lang yung supply.  Yung circuit board binili ko sa taga ilo-ilo.  Galing po ako sa thread ng Elab.ph   May post doon about amps at binili ko yung amp board.
Title: Re: Konzert K10, meron na ba ditong nakatry na gumamit in 4 ohms load?
Post by: Xelly on November 02, 2012, 10:09:38 AM
Nice read!! Pansin ko lang mga sir off topic na pala itong thread na ito sa mga usapan natin dito. Suggest ko kay TS gawin nalang "Pro-audio Speakers" thread or kung anuman. :-D
Title: Re: Konzert K10, meron na ba ditong nakatry na gumamit in 4 ohms load?
Post by: soundtech on November 02, 2012, 11:45:21 AM
      Kahit 24k wala akong instant cash small set-up lang yun sa akin, so ngayon DIY lang muna yung amps ko.  Sir. Live bakit mariming MAUDIO power amp users sa Cebu kung meron naman LIVE?  Yung iba na Galing Crell CA series nag-shift to MAUDIO hindi sa LIVE.  Malakas naman yung amp nyo diba?
sir sorry po ot ulit . marami po gumagamit ng Maudio power amp. dahil subok na niya yun quality at lakas nito. :) :) :)
Title: Re: Konzert K10, meron na ba ditong nakatry na gumamit in 4 ohms load?
Post by: Audiomaster on November 02, 2012, 01:16:35 PM
sir sorry po ot ulit . marami po gumagamit ng Maudio power amp. dahil subok na niya yun quality at lakas nito. :) :) :)

Sir kung malakas ang Maudio bakit po walang gumagamit sa amin dto sa iloilo sa battle of the sound wala kahit isang maudio akong makikita?
Title: Re: Konzert K10, meron na ba ditong nakatry na gumamit in 4 ohms load?
Post by: soundtech on November 02, 2012, 01:26:37 PM
Sir kung malakas ang Maudio bakit po walang gumagamit sa amin dto sa iloilo sa battle of the sound wala kahit isang maudio akong makikita?
bakit taga ilo-ilo ka ba?
Title: Re: Konzert K10, meron na ba ditong nakatry na gumamit in 4 ohms load?
Post by: 1022jv on November 02, 2012, 04:19:36 PM
Sir kung malakas ang Maudio bakit po walang gumagamit sa amin dto sa iloilo sa battle of the sound wala kahit isang maudio akong makikita?
  Diba sa Ilo-ilo marami ding gumagamit ng Lexus Power amps?  Sa Cebu hindi ito yung commonly used in fact wala pa akong nakita na gumagamit nito sa Cebu. 
Title: Re: Konzert K10, meron na ba ditong nakatry na gumamit in 4 ohms load?
Post by: Audiomaster on November 02, 2012, 04:54:24 PM
  Diba sa Ilo-ilo marami ding gumagamit ng Lexus Power amps?  Sa Cebu hindi ito yung commonly used in fact wala pa akong nakita na gumagamit nito sa Cebu.
Yes sir dto sa iloilo maraming may Lexus at crell ,mayron ba mga battle of sound sa cebu
Title: Re: Konzert K10, meron na ba ditong nakatry na gumamit in 4 ohms load?
Post by: 1022jv on November 02, 2012, 11:36:55 PM
Yes sir dto sa iloilo maraming may Lexus at crell ,mayron ba mga battle of sound sa cebu
  Wala ditong battle of the sounds, icome ang proirity nila dito.  Di naman gaanon marami yung mobile sounds dito pero halos lahat  MAudio ang gamit nila.  Yung Crell CA Series di na gaanong ginagamit dahil malakas manira ng speaker.  Baka kung may Lexus amp dealer dito sa Cebu baka sisikat rin ang Lexus dito.  Sa ngayon wala pa akong alam na Lexus dealer dito sa Cebu. :-P
Title: Re: Konzert K10, meron na ba ditong nakatry na gumamit in 4 ohms load?
Post by: soundtech on November 04, 2012, 12:52:10 PM
Sir kung malakas ang Maudio bakit po walang gumagamit sa amin dto sa iloilo sa battle of the sound wala kahit isang maudio akong makikita?
hindi namin minamarket ang soundquest at m audio sa ilo-ilo, soundstandard ang minamarket namin sa ilo-ilo, ang         m audio naman sa cebu.
Title: Re: Konzert K10, meron na ba ditong nakatry na gumamit in 4 ohms load?
Post by: Audiomaster on November 04, 2012, 03:13:11 PM
  Wala ditong battle of the sounds, icome ang proirity nila dito.  Di naman gaanon marami yung mobile sounds dito pero halos lahat  MAudio ang gamit nila.  Yung Crell CA Series di na gaanong ginagamit dahil malakas manira ng speaker.  Baka kung may Lexus amp dealer dito sa Cebu baka sisikat rin ang Lexus dito.  Sa ngayon wala pa akong alam na Lexus dealer dito sa Cebu. :-P
Dto sa iloilo sa mrm halos lahat ng products mayron wala lang ang maudio at soundquest
Title: Re: Konzert K10, meron na ba ditong nakatry na gumamit in 4 ohms load?
Post by: jtaruki on November 04, 2012, 04:52:26 PM
Technically di ako fanatic ng IloIlo battle, sa Iloilo ako nag aral ng college at na iexperience ko ang Dinagyang every year, technically matinding bass or massive talaga ang gusto nila doon, 1996 pa ako sa sound business pero tuwing napag uusapan ang Battle ng Iloilo napapa iling na lang ako,, Kaya sa tuwing may mga concerts na highly technical sa mall or mga venues di naman nakakapasok ang mga  Sound system na kasama sa Battle, mga sound system yan sa Iloilo na ang binabantayan ay Battle at mga fiesta sa mga bayan. Walang mapipikon kasi sa karamihan dito sa forum technicality ang pinag uusapan...   
Title: Re: Konzert K10, meron na ba ditong nakatry na gumamit in 4 ohms load?
Post by: jofel on November 04, 2012, 04:58:40 PM
Technically di ako fanatic ng IloIlo battle, sa Iloilo ako nag aral ng college at na iexperience ko ang Dinagyang every year, technically matinding bass or massive talaga ang gusto nila doon, 1996 pa ako sa sound business pero tuwing napag uusapan ang Battle ng Iloilo napapa iling na lang ako,, Kaya sa tuwing may mga concerts na highly technical sa mall or mga venues di naman nakakapasok ang mga  Sound system na kasama sa Battle, mga sound system yan sa Iloilo na ang binabantayan ay Battle at mga fiesta sa mga bayan. Walang mapipikon kasi sa karamihan dito sa forum technicality ang pinag uusapan...
+1 :-)

For me lang po, loud music is good only when it is clean.  :-)
Title: Re: Konzert K10, meron na ba ditong nakatry na gumamit in 4 ohms load?
Post by: Audiomaster on November 04, 2012, 05:02:46 PM
Technically di ako fanatic ng IloIlo battle, sa Iloilo ako nag aral ng college at na iexperience ko ang Dinagyang every year, technically matinding bass or massive talaga ang gusto nila doon, 1996 pa ako sa sound business pero tuwing napag uusapan ang Battle ng Iloilo napapa iling na lang ako,, Kaya sa tuwing may mga concerts na highly technical sa mall or mga venues di naman nakakapasok ang mga  Sound system na kasama sa Battle, mga sound system yan sa Iloilo na ang binabantayan ay Battle at mga fiesta sa mga bayan. Walang mapipikon kasi sa karamihan dito sa forum technicality ang pinag uusapan...
Tama ka dyan sir kimukuha ng mga mall ay mga may hi end na gamit yung mga may orig na gamit saka completo sa lights at tracess karaniwan dto kasi sa iloilo puro palakasan ang mga mobile iilan lang ang may k na pang concerts
Title: Re: Konzert K10, meron na ba ditong nakatry na gumamit in 4 ohms load?
Post by: jtaruki on November 04, 2012, 05:17:24 PM
+1 :-)

For me lang po, loud music is good only when it is clean.  :-)

+1  :)

Akala kasi ng iba pag malakas yun na yun,, kaya nga may mga outboard sweeteners tayo, di yan ginagamit para abusuhin at palakasin lang  ang system use it the right way mga bro,  di yung basag na eh cge parin tayo para lang masabi na winner ang nasabing producto...

Title: Re: Konzert K10, meron na ba ditong nakatry na gumamit in 4 ohms load?
Post by: jofel on November 04, 2012, 05:28:59 PM
+1  :)

Akala kasi ng iba pag malakas yun na yun,, kaya nga may mga outboard sweeteners tayo, di yan ginagamit para abusuhin at palakasin lang  ang system use it the right way mga bro,  di yung basag na eh cge parin tayo para lang masabi na winner ang nasabing producto...

Amen to that sir.  :-)
Title: Re: Konzert K10, meron na ba ditong nakatry na gumamit in 4 ohms load?
Post by: tjlimjoco on November 05, 2012, 08:09:35 AM
Technically di ako fanatic ng IloIlo battle, sa Iloilo ako nag aral ng college at na iexperience ko ang Dinagyang every year, technically matinding bass or massive talaga ang gusto nila doon, 1996 pa ako sa sound business pero tuwing napag uusapan ang Battle ng Iloilo napapa iling na lang ako,, Kaya sa tuwing may mga concerts na highly technical sa mall or mga venues di naman nakakapasok ang mga  Sound system na kasama sa Battle, mga sound system yan sa Iloilo na ang binabantayan ay Battle at mga fiesta sa mga bayan. Walang mapipikon kasi sa karamihan dito sa forum technicality ang pinag uusapan...
Mismo bos  :)


For me lang po, loud music is good only when it is clean.  :-)
+ 100 bos  :wave:
Title: Re: Konzert K10, meron na ba ditong nakatry na gumamit in 4 ohms load?
Post by: trance on November 05, 2012, 08:16:22 AM
+1 :-)

For me lang po, loud music is good only when it is clean.  :-)

ito ang tama.... at MALINAW
Title: Re: Konzert K10, meron na ba ditong nakatry na gumamit in 4 ohms load?
Post by: spacejam on November 05, 2012, 09:33:12 AM
ito ang tama.... at MALINAW

Kanya kanya market... Sa Manila and Cebu gusto nila malinaw na bass sa Iloilo and cotabato halimaw na bass gusto nila.
 :)Di mo pwede sabihin Kung sino ang tama o mali dahil kanya kanya taste yan. Tulad sa spaghetti maasim ang  original lasa nyan pero dito sa pilipinas gusto nila matamis. Respect each other taste po. Peace
Title: Re: Konzert K10, meron na ba ditong nakatry na gumamit in 4 ohms load?
Post by: 1022jv on November 05, 2012, 09:35:49 AM
+1 :-)

For me lang po, loud music is good only when it is clean.  :-)
   :)Mahirap tong dalawa pag sabayin pero if you have the right equipment makakamit mo ito yun nga lang gagastos ka talaga but then sulit pa rin.
 
Title: Re: Konzert K10, meron na ba ditong nakatry na gumamit in 4 ohms load?
Post by: king_james on November 05, 2012, 11:06:07 AM
Technically di ako fanatic ng IloIlo battle, sa Iloilo ako nag aral ng college at na iexperience ko ang Dinagyang every year, technically matinding bass or massive talaga ang gusto nila doon, 1996 pa ako sa sound business pero tuwing napag uusapan ang Battle ng Iloilo napapa iling na lang ako,, Kaya sa tuwing may mga concerts na highly technical sa mall or mga venues di naman nakakapasok ang mga  Sound system na kasama sa Battle, mga sound system yan sa Iloilo na ang binabantayan ay Battle at mga fiesta sa mga bayan. Walang mapipikon kasi sa karamihan dito sa forum technicality ang pinag uusapan...

 :-) :-)
Title: Re: Konzert K10, meron na ba ditong nakatry na gumamit in 4 ohms load?
Post by: trance on November 05, 2012, 04:01:00 PM
masmasarap parin pakinggan sa tenga ang MALINAW  :-D (ito ang taste ko)
Title: Re: Konzert K10, meron na ba ditong nakatry na gumamit in 4 ohms load?
Post by: 1022jv on November 05, 2012, 05:50:57 PM
  Iba talaga yung may clarity dahil parang langit.   :)   Pero yung puro lakas lang at walang clarity parang impyerno yata yung tunog >:D
Title: Re: Konzert K10, meron na ba ditong nakatry na gumamit in 4 ohms load?
Post by: king_james on November 05, 2012, 07:33:27 PM
masmasarap parin pakinggan sa tenga ang MALINAW  :-D (ito ang taste ko)
Me too  :) :)

  Iba talaga yung may clarity dahil parang langit.   :)   Pero yung puro lakas lang at walang clarity parang impyerno yata yung tunog >:D
You said it right bro  :-) :-)
Title: Re: Konzert K10, meron na ba ditong nakatry na gumamit in 4 ohms load?
Post by: kartar on November 06, 2012, 06:44:02 PM
masmasarap parin pakinggan sa tenga ang MALINAW  :-D (ito ang taste ko)

ah MALINAW!

akala ko "masmasarap parin pakinggan sa tenga ang HALIMAW  :-D (ito ang taste ko)"

nice, you've got it..
Title: Re: Konzert K10, meron na ba ditong nakatry na gumamit in 4 ohms load?
Post by: mm16 on November 06, 2012, 06:52:17 PM
ask ko lang sana yung mga may konzert k10 na amp kung natry niyo na ba or naka experience na ba kayo using this amp in 4 ohms load? preferrably kung natry niyo na driving 4 subscoop. if yes, komusta naman po yung performance? di ba madaling mag init? thanks in advance

Sagutin ko lang to.. :?

Meron na nakagamit ng K10 pinang power sa anim(6) na T&T 1000watts 18" speakers. Bale tatlong(3) speakers Stereo Mode... T&T speaker nilagay sa Wbin box. Ok naman ang performance pati sa linaw at lakas. Ginamit sa band set-up.. Sana makatulong..  :-)
Title: Re: Konzert K10, meron na ba ditong nakatry na gumamit in 4 ohms load?
Post by: 1022jv on November 07, 2012, 12:52:52 AM
Sagutin ko lang to.. :?

Meron na nakagamit ng K10 pinang power sa anim(6) na T&T 1000watts 18" speakers. Bale tatlong(3) speakers Stereo Mode... T&T speaker nilagay sa Wbin box. Ok naman ang performance pati sa linaw at lakas. Ginamit sa band set-up.. Sana makatulong..  :-)
   Yung Konzert K10 may nag DIY naba nito? 
Title: Re: Konzert K10, meron na ba ditong nakatry na gumamit in 4 ohms load?
Post by: mm16 on March 17, 2013, 09:44:59 PM
K10 no input signal?  :? Anu kaya probleman nito mga masters?  :? The Amp is ok and functioning only no input signal or wala pumapasok na signal sa amp.. Ok naman ang signal wires.gumana siya sa ibang amp.. Pa Help po. :cute:
Title: Re: Konzert K10, meron na ba ditong nakatry na gumamit in 4 ohms load?
Post by: 1022jv on March 18, 2013, 11:20:49 AM
K10 no input signal?  :? Anu kaya probleman nito mga masters?  :? The Amp is ok and functioning only no input signal or wala pumapasok na signal sa amp.. Ok naman ang signal wires.gumana siya sa ibang amp.. Pa Help po. :cute:
Anu gamit mong input? yung balanced or unbalanced? Kung unbalanced ang gamit mo dapat yung cold nakaconnect sa sleeve or signal ground.
Title: Re: Konzert K10, meron na ba ditong nakatry na gumamit in 4 ohms load?
Post by: mm16 on March 23, 2013, 04:26:01 PM
Ok na ulit ang k10.. pag uwi namin galing gig pinatugtug namin sa bahay.. ayun tumunog ulit. binurn test namin,ok na ok siya wala problema.. Anu kaya nangyari sa kanya doon sa gig.. :? :? No idea kami... Blank Stares... :nosebleed:
Title: Re: Konzert K10, meron na ba ditong nakatry na gumamit in 4 ohms load?
Post by: kartar on June 16, 2013, 02:33:39 PM
Ok na ulit ang k10.. pag uwi namin galing gig pinatugtug namin sa bahay.. ayun tumunog ulit. binurn test namin,ok na ok siya wala problema.. Anu kaya nangyari sa kanya doon sa gig.. :? :? No idea kami... Blank Stares... :nosebleed:

mas maganda sir kung maipacheck up nyo yan sa technician, baka sa burn in test nyo ay maayos yan tas baka bigla kang ipahamak nyan sa gig mo.
Title: Re: Konzert K10, meron na ba ditong nakatry na gumamit in 4 ohms load?
Post by: 1022jv on June 17, 2013, 12:23:51 AM
Ok na ulit ang k10.. pag uwi namin galing gig pinatugtug namin sa bahay.. ayun tumunog ulit. binurn test namin,ok na ok siya wala problema.. Anu kaya nangyari sa kanya doon sa gig.. :? :? No idea kami... Blank Stares... :nosebleed:
  Kailangan mo ng bak-up amplifier para sa K10 baka biglang masibak yung amp mo.
Title: Re: Konzert K10, meron na ba ditong nakatry na gumamit in 4 ohms load?
Post by: tjlimjoco on June 17, 2013, 02:09:25 PM
  Kailangan mo ng bak-up amplifier para sa K10 baka biglang masibak yung amp mo.
+1 B0s. Kahit anung amp mas maigi lagi may "back-up" ka na bitbit  :)
Title: Re: Konzert K10, meron na ba ditong nakatry na gumamit in 4 ohms load?
Post by: mix on June 09, 2016, 12:03:46 PM
Last service namin May 28-29 2016 Gumalaw yon magnet ng live PA 1000w ko,,around 2mm ang ibinaba sa kadikit na magnet 4 times pa lng nagamit naka-single ako per channel m10 sventa gamit ko.