Recording problem

[demet]

Hi,

I have a slight problem with recording.  When I record vocals, the mic also picks up the playback in my headphones.  Any ideas on how to fix this problem?

thanks in advance...

[KitC]

Aside from watching your headphone levels, you also need headphones that fit snugly over the ears, and are closed backs. Loose fitting earcups only make bleed worse and of course, open backed headphones are... well, open.

I've been toying with the idea of using DJ-style headphones with only 1 earcup, or maybe even in-ear-monitors to minimize headphone bleed. If you have any defective headphone with 1 channel working, that's a start since most singers monitor thru one channel only while hearing their voice with their 'free' ear. I was thinking that any discarded earbud phones with 1 channel working should also be applicable.

[abyssinianson]

I use 2 methods to avoid can bleed in my mixes. One is to use standard reference headphones with a head sweatband to clinch them tighter on your head, or you can use on-stage monitors with the ear molds for monitoring your track mix while you lay down vocals.

[xjepoyx]

i really wanna try those in-ear phones but its to expensive...

might as well get a closed back headphones



PEACE!

[spilledmilk]

anu to tape recording or digital/sa PC?

[abyssinianson]

anu to tape recording or digital/sa PC?

doesn't matter - can bleed can happen to both methods of recording.

[demet]

na try ko na yung headphones ng ipod...kaso naririnig pa rin yung teble niya...ang tinis kasi...digital recording to meng...

[xjepoyx]

i was refering to Shure, Senheisser and M-Audio In-ear monitors

[demet]

i was refering to Shure, Senheisser and M-Audio In-ear monitors

ooooh...saucy....hehehehe....it's in my wish list....hehehehe

[starfugger]

hey guys.  i currently use vic firth isolation earfones and there's no bleed whatsoever.  problem is it can get uncomfortable during long hours of recording.  works with vocals and soft acoustic instruments.  also works great on drums, so that the drummer doesnt have to crank up his/her monitor volume just to hear the guide tracks on top of all the live drum sound. but the best use it provided me so far is during mic setup, specially guitar amp micing. i am able to sweep across the cab and find that sweetspot even without assistance

i think these iso earfones are aailable in JB stores.  cost is around 3.5k more or less.

[mikep]

Just a question?  Why are you bothered by bleeds from the headphones?  Do you intend to have the vocal used as an acapella, the reason why you would not want the bleeds?  If not, bleeds are part and partial of how the sound is suppose to be.  That is part of the recording process.  When you record things live, all the instruments really bleed into the vocal mic.  Make use of the bleeds creatively.  The bleeds can result to having some sort of depth in the recording process.  In the first place, when all the elements are combined together, all the noises, the bleeds, the coughs, etc.  make recording more natural and human.  At least that's what I think.

FWIW

[kedysanchez]

My thoughts  are basically with Senor Mike.  Ever since I can remember, the recording process has always acknowledged the existence of headphone bleeds.  By acknowledging, it means we all knew it existed and we tried our best to control headphone bleeding. We lowered it as much as possible so that it would not be that uncomfortable naman to the vocalist.  Also, we knew that maximum volume from the headset MAY result in feedback when the vocalist inches closer to the mic.

However, we never complained about it nor have I encountered explaining to the client that his recording quality is so bad due to headphone bleeding.  By the way, we HAVE recorded a capella albums numerous times with no hitches ( I witnessed Ryan's second a capella album recording BTW).

So as long as you keep the bleed at manageable levels, I don't see any problems.

[xjepoyx]

me jepoy padawan absorbed master mike and master kedy's inputs...


nice inputs.... atleast now i know that bleeds are ok as long as it is managable....





PEACE!

[marvinq]

well, if you absolutely need the bleeds to be at a minimum...

(1) i've read (although i've never really tried) that you can use earphones, then use ear muffs (is that what they're called? -- those things that look like headphones, but there are no speakers inside). or use something like the VIC FIRTH POWERED STEREO ISOLATION HEADPHONES. (I just realized starfugger already suggested this...)

(2) lower the volume of the music going to the headphones, or lower the tracks you don't need to listen to.

(3) if you're using a click track, use a sound with less high frequency content. logic pro uses a sound called klopfgeist, which is pretty much like an 808 kick pitched upwards. it doesn't bleed as much as cowbell, sidestick, or those click sounds from roland sequencers.

hope this helps, although i agree with mikep and kedysanchez' points.