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Offline brianb

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Re: Jazz Jam Do's & Dont's
« Reply #25 on: April 06, 2007, 08:56:23 PM »
I found a couple of anecdotes about jazz jamming with Charlie Parker, from Aebersold's jazz handbook:

First, one from Charlie himself:

"I knew how to play two tunes in a certain key, the key of D for saxophone
(alto sax), F concert. I learned how to play the first eight bars of Lazy River and I
knew the complete tune to Honeysuckle Rose. I never stopped to think about there being
other keys or nothin' like that. So I took my horn out to this joint where a bunch of fellows
I'd seen around were, and the first thing they started playing was Body and Soul, longmeter,
you know. So, I go to playing my Honeysuckle Rose and there ain't no form of
conglomeration, you know, so ... they laughed me off the bandstand ... they laughed at me
so hard ....... I was about 16 or 17 at the time. I never thought about there being any more
keys, you know."

Another one from John Welch (friend of Jamey Aebersold):

"I was eighteen years old and very naive. I had studied arranging with Bill
Russo. I went out to South Dakota to the University there to study music and found myself
really unhappy with the situation. I wrote back and forth to Bill Russo and he got me in with
Lennie Tristano in New York City for lessons. So, I took the bus to New York and my first
weekend in New York I went down to the Village with my horn (trombone) to a club called
the Open Door. There was a big sign on the window saying "Jam Session - Sunday Afternoon".
This was Sunday afternoon so I went in with my horn and a group was playing a
Blues in F. So I thought, well great, I enjoy playing Blues in F. I put my case on the table,
took my trombone out and just walked right up and started to sit in with them. My playing
at that point in my life was influenced by George Brunies, a Dixieland trombonist, so I
started playing tailgate trombone with this group. They immediately brought Blues in F to
a screeching halt and the piano player said, 'Cherokee in E' and took it at a tempo you
wouldn't believe. I thought, well that's cool. I don't know Cherokee and I don't play very
well in that key and I sure can't play that fast on trombone, so I'll sit this one out. So, I went
back to the table and laid the horn in the case on the table and sat there. Everyone was
looking at me as though cancer had arrived. Finally a guy in the audience came over and
started unscrewing my horn, taking it apart and putting it away in the case. And he just
looked down at me and said, 'Kid, you're obnoxious.'

"The band that day at the Open Door was Bud Powell, Max Roach., Charles Mingus,
Miles Davis and none other than Charlie Parker himself!

"George Wallington was the fellow who came over to my table and dismantled my
horn. And after he said that, I got the message!

"I realized I had really done something terrible. So they broke the set and Bird
came over, came right straight over to my table. I remember him turning the chair around
so he was leaning on the back as he faced me. Then he started talking to me. He said,
'Look kid, what you were doing didn't really fit in with this group, but you were doing it well.
You really were laying it down. That's great! And you just keep going.'

"Bird was so compassionate in that moment with me when everyone else was
ready to kill me. And this struck me very much. As a matter of fact, when I think of Charlie
Parker, I would have to say he affected me much more as a human being in my reaction to
other human beings at that moment than musically."

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Re: Jazz Jam Do's & Dont's
« Reply #26 on: April 07, 2007, 01:06:29 AM »
^^^^Thanks for sharing that, brianb. Quite moving as well as inspiring. Thanks again,man! :-)
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Re: Jazz Jam Do's & Dont's
« Reply #27 on: April 07, 2007, 04:52:07 PM »
Ayos yung "Anecdotes" a. Nakakaaliw din mga sinabi ni Aya sa mga tutupank na solo sa bass. Napurga ka na din pala sa tutupank! Ewan ko ba kung bakit karamihan sa mga nagsusulputang "bahista" ang alam sa solo ng bajo e puro tutupank lang...papano kaya kung ang pyesa "Waltz For Debby" :-D :-D sabay tutupank gagawing solo ng bahista!!! Sabagay si Jonas Hellborg nga nag-tutupank din na solo sa Goodbye Pork Pie Hat kasama si McLaughlin (di ko nga pala nagustuhan ginawa ni Hellborg) ewan ko lang kung ayos sa inyo yun.

Eto lang maidadagdag ko: Ibagay lang natin lahat ng gagawin natin sa sitwasyon ng Jam Session. Kung bagay mag-tutupank bakit hindi di ba? :wink: 8-)
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« Reply #28 on: April 11, 2007, 07:44:49 PM »
brianb, thanks for that, it was very nice very nice.

I can totally relate to the John Welch story, situation wise. I've been a good boy ever since  :wink:
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« Reply #29 on: April 12, 2007, 09:52:58 AM »
Nice account there bro.

Hehehe what a time to be in sittin' with THE cats.

I'd give anything to be John Welch at that moment. Kahit Pinulupot pa ni Bird yung Trombone sa leeg ko okey na.
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« Reply #30 on: April 13, 2007, 11:01:02 AM »
T_ngina, kakaiyak naman yang anecdote na yon.

Sensya na, emo mode ako ngayon.  :-D

Pero di nga...

Knowing about Charlie Parker's personal history and having read and heard a lot about what was like in the jazz world over there back then, wow, i'm completely blown away reading about what Bird did for that trombonist.

As many have said about Bird, he could be both angelic and evil.

What a guy.
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« Reply #31 on: April 14, 2007, 10:44:14 AM »
No Tutupank-Tutupank? XD Magagalit bassist sa banda ko. Sobrang slapper haha.
 
I think, one of the most important parts in jamming is to know WHEN TO STOP. As much as we like listening to solos and playing, nobody wants to hear you come in and play a 72 minute solo. Also, yes, no more repetitive funks in E lol.

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« Reply #32 on: April 14, 2007, 12:38:44 PM »
two-pank :-D :-D

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« Reply #33 on: April 14, 2007, 04:31:01 PM »
Tutupank Shakur.
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« Reply #34 on: April 14, 2007, 10:35:28 PM »
Is it ok ba to jam onstage with people you've never played with before?


BTW,

Diba yung mga natural modes, named after the populations o greece? bakit walang spartan mode XD

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« Reply #35 on: April 14, 2007, 11:00:45 PM »
^^^^ :roll:

Ok lang siguro......

...basta walang tutupank-tupank!  :-D





Natatawa ko everytime pinanonood ko yung video ng jam namin last time....tutupank-tupank at may pa- tapping-tapping pa...

Pero ok lang, di naman jazz yun e......aah...Do da phunk-tuphunk!  :-D


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« Reply #36 on: April 14, 2007, 11:21:11 PM »
How about Funk in Eb? Diba Eb is the sexy key?

Haha, jazz tapping, Stanley Jordan style ba?

Haha, kung spartan mode, mababali yung fretboard XD

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« Reply #37 on: April 14, 2007, 11:52:19 PM »
how bout superlocrian mode with tupank solos? :-D

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« Reply #38 on: April 16, 2007, 08:58:29 AM »
BWAAHAHAHAHAHAA!

Tutupank sa Saxophone Pwede ba?
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« Reply #39 on: April 16, 2007, 06:18:44 PM »
Ewan ko ba kung bakit karamihan sa mga nagsusulputang "bahista" ang alam sa solo ng bajo e puro tutupank lang...papano kaya kung ang pyesa "Waltz For Debby" :-D :-D sabay tutupank gagawing solo ng bahista!!!

I shudder to think! Taka lang ako paano naipasok ni Jonas yung slap bit niya dun sa "Goodbye, Pork Pie Hat". Parang okay lang naman...
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« Reply #40 on: April 16, 2007, 09:41:06 PM »
BWAAHAHAHAHAHAA!

Tutupank sa Saxophone Pwede ba?


Tototot-totooot! :-D  Pwede siguro... basta wag sa E? :lol:
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« Reply #41 on: April 16, 2007, 09:53:37 PM »
bakit sa E lang di pwede?

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« Reply #42 on: April 17, 2007, 08:56:11 AM »
Kasi yung Sax sa Eb. Dugtungan ba ng GI Pipe para Matono sa E.

tutupank fever kaaagad. Toooot tooooot pank  :lol:  :lol:

Eh sa drums? Tugudug tuguddug pank?
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« Reply #43 on: April 17, 2007, 09:31:17 AM »
Kasi yung Sax sa Eb. Dugtungan ba ng GI Pipe para Matono sa E.

tutupank fever kaaagad. Toooot tooooot pank  :lol:  :lol:

Eh sa drums? Tugudug tuguddug pank?

3plets na tgudug! :-D

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« Reply #44 on: April 17, 2007, 04:25:56 PM »
Kasi yung Sax sa Eb. Dugtungan ba ng GI Pipe para Matono sa E.

tutupank fever kaaagad. Toooot tooooot pank  :lol:  :lol:

Eh sa drums? Tugudug tuguddug pank?


ahhh.  :lol:

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« Reply #45 on: April 17, 2007, 04:29:37 PM »
3plets na tgudug! :-D

Eh di Tri tri pank na pla yun ano?   :lol:
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« Reply #46 on: April 18, 2007, 10:08:41 PM »
Kung sa flute kaya...  :-D

How DO you ask a bad if you can sit in with them?



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Re: Jazz Jam Do's & Dont's
« Reply #47 on: April 18, 2007, 10:23:30 PM »
tutupank tutupank!  :lol:

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« Reply #48 on: April 22, 2007, 10:39:17 AM »
T_ngina, dumikit na talaga yung tutupank, ah.

 :lol: :lol: :lol:

Mga 'tol, para sa plaka lang, ha... (for the record)

I have nothing against slapping, popping or tapping. Neither do i have anything against the key of E.

What i do abhor is the triumph of mediocrity, ignorance, apathy and sheer laziness over the pursuit of excellence.

Many bassists' tutupank solos are cringe-worthy only because they're resorted to for lack of anything else in their vocabulary.

Sa madaling sabi... wala ng ibang alam kaya tutupank in E na lang.

Magaling at matalino ang Pinoy.

Kadalasan tamad lang mag-isip.
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« Reply #49 on: April 22, 2007, 10:36:23 PM »
tamad nga minsan karamihan, sama na ako dun,hehehe... topak topak tupank tupnak din... :-D