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Offline jazhombie

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outside playing??
« on: May 09, 2007, 02:31:10 PM »
anyone here can explain or even post an example or soundclips-on how to play outside fluently?... tnx in advance  :-D
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Offline FullofEbak

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Re: outside playing??
« Reply #1 on: May 09, 2007, 04:44:00 PM »
is it easier to play outside over a dom7? Accdg to the forums i've read, knowing when to go back home plays a big part, for rules, i havn't really come across any...  :? is this logical.
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Offline jazhombie

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Re: outside playing??
« Reply #2 on: May 09, 2007, 06:10:05 PM »
Quote from: fusionenigma on May 09, 2007, 05:45:57 PM
i add a lot of passing notes especially when soloing over modal tunes. useful din chromaticism in giving a sense of anticipation. about playing fluently... know the tune by heart. play the notes of the melody every now and then. hum your improv then translate it into guitar notes. practice technical exercises... ang fluent na guitar playing mo jazhombie ha.  :-) i myself play sloppy sometimes lalo na pag di pa warmed up or antok na. he he
the thing is bro, pag napapakinggan ko si scott hnderson or let say pat metheny, they seem to play things naturally without thinking this and that--it just comes out naturally.. tnx sa tips.. may be i have to tke things by heart.. :-D
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Offline psychic_sushi

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Re: outside playing??
« Reply #3 on: May 10, 2007, 01:23:20 AM »
from hanging out and watching jano in the past...

i learnt that a strong, steady rhythmic motif can make an interavllic shape fluid, regardless of any key.

what a bastard! hahahahah  :-D

really, methinks that the focus on rhythm, as in putting it in the drivers seat, and leaving harmony and melody at the trunk, makes outside lines-patterns-shapes-intervals.... fit! as i heard him also state- there are no wrong notes, only wrong resolutions.

as for me playing outside...

... only when it's not raining, and when the neighbors are not asleep  :-D
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Re: outside playing??
« Reply #4 on: May 10, 2007, 09:07:25 AM »
hahaha sa labas ng haws ok ha!!!! :-D
jazhombie jam tayo????
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Offline jazhombie

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Re: outside playing??
« Reply #5 on: May 10, 2007, 10:50:00 AM »
Quote from: edmund on May 10, 2007, 09:07:25 AM
hahaha sa labas ng haws ok ha!!!! :-D
jazhombie jam tayo????
san sir? ask mo kung ok sa haus nila anton(psychic sushi).. completo dun.. or sa haze pwede rin sa 28 available ako.. :-D
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Offline jazhombie

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Re: outside playing??
« Reply #6 on: May 10, 2007, 10:59:45 AM »
Quote from: psychic_sushi on May 10, 2007, 01:23:20 AM
from hanging out and watching jano in the past...

i learnt that a strong, steady rhythmic motif can make an interavllic shape fluid, regardless of any key.

what a bastard! hahahahah  :-D

really, methinks that the focus on rhythm, as in putting it in the drivers seat, and leaving harmony and melody at the trunk, makes outside lines-patterns-shapes-intervals.... fit! as i heard him also state- there are no wrong notes, only wrong resolutions.

as for me playing outside...

... only when it's not raining, and when the neighbors are not asleep  :-D
heard the man.. those blinding garsed-speeding lines.. niwey kelan jam? :-D
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Offline nicemusic

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Re: outside playing??
« Reply #7 on: May 10, 2007, 12:39:51 PM »
Think of Thelonious Monk... :-D

outside playing boarders beyond theory kasi, by theory its not supposed to fit...


"You know, anybody can play a composition and use far-out chords and make

it sound wrong. It’s making it sound right that’s not easy."

--Thelonious Monk, 1961

I have also watched Scott Henderson's video lesson melodic phrasing a hundred times...

Tha man really hits the spot!

Try to find a copy and i hope it opens doors for you... 8-)
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Offline jazhombie

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Re: outside playing??
« Reply #8 on: May 10, 2007, 02:28:56 PM »
shapes is important too... i think, similar to sushi's, i come up with same shapes then do 'side stepping' to go out...

but still, cant do thing's fluetly.. kelngan cguro, religious practice sa phrasing..

niwey, i'll try to purchase scott's 'phrasing lesson'...hmmm.. tnx 'nice music'..
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Re: outside playing??
« Reply #9 on: May 10, 2007, 04:54:04 PM »
is it true about that jazz cat who played "out" always and so fluently that one time he heard a really 'weird' chord and he was dumbfounded how to play it?

... it was simple major chord.


But yeah, Thelonious nails it.  Any fool can play "out", but only geniuses like Monk and Powell can make it "feel" like it wasn't. 
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Offline psychic_sushi

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« Reply #10 on: May 11, 2007, 12:40:29 AM »
ahhhh...

The Loneliest Monk  :-D


lemme assess my sched, jam tayo lahat sana, or meet up at an EB. Jazz take over!!!  :-)

patterns and shapes are great, as long as you don't live by them. I dig the expansiveness of quartals, and warping them in and out, and messing with wider intervals  :evil: I dont even wanna touch on holdsworth, he scares the living daylights out of me. Garsed and Jim Muller are more digestable.

Jano = Gambale  :wink:

I is I who is working on being Garsed! (wannabe!)  Hahahahahah  :-D
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Re: outside playing??
« Reply #11 on: May 11, 2007, 08:47:37 AM »
Quote from: psychic_sushi on May 11, 2007, 12:40:29 AM

lemme assess my sched, jam tayo lahat sana, or meet up at an EB. Jazz take over!!!  :-)


Sama ako ha kahit observer lang...
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Offline jazhombie

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Re: outside playing??
« Reply #12 on: May 11, 2007, 08:53:25 AM »
Quote from: Boddhisattva on May 11, 2007, 08:47:37 AM
Quote from: psychic_sushi on May 11, 2007, 12:40:29 AM

lemme assess my sched, jam tayo lahat sana, or meet up at an EB. Jazz take over!!!  :-)


Sama ako ha kahit observer lang...
ur always wecome sir,,, jam k n rin... :-D
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Re: outside playing??
« Reply #13 on: May 11, 2007, 03:55:34 PM »
Quote from: jazhombie on May 10, 2007, 02:28:56 PM
shapes is important too... i think, similar to sushi's, i come up with same shapes then do 'side stepping' to go out...

but still, cant do thing's fluetly.. kelngan cguro, religious practice sa phrasing..

niwey, i'll try to purchase scott's 'phrasing lesson'...hmmm.. tnx 'nice music'..

your most welcome!

if you can drop by my office i can give you a vcd copy(free  :-D)

pm me if your interested ok...

there's so much to learn... :?
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Offline deltaslim

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Re: outside playing??
« Reply #14 on: May 11, 2007, 03:58:04 PM »
Quote from: jazhombie on May 11, 2007, 08:53:25 AM
Quote from: Boddhisattva on May 11, 2007, 08:47:37 AM
Quote from: psychic_sushi on May 11, 2007, 12:40:29 AM

lemme assess my sched, jam tayo lahat sana, or meet up at an EB. Jazz take over!!!  :-)


Sama ako ha kahit observer lang...
ur always wecome sir,,, jam k n rin... :-D

jazz ba kamo?  out pa?  sige, i'll bring bib pamunas ng laway ko habang nanonood sa inyo... :-D
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Offline nicemusic

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Re: outside playing??
« Reply #15 on: May 11, 2007, 03:59:27 PM »
Quote from: deltaslim on May 10, 2007, 04:54:04 PM
is it true about that jazz cat who played "out" always and so fluently that one time he heard a really 'weird' chord and he was dumbfounded how to play it?

... it was simple major chord.


But yeah, Thelonious nails it.  Any fool can play "out", but only geniuses like Monk and Powell can make it "feel" like it wasn't. 

Ive read that somewhere too...

Thelonious Monk and Bud Powell are buddies 8-)

Both are great in what they do. :-)
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Offline jazhombie

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Re: outside playing??
« Reply #16 on: May 11, 2007, 05:06:05 PM »
Quote from: nicemusic on May 11, 2007, 03:55:34 PM
Quote from: jazhombie on May 10, 2007, 02:28:56 PM
shapes is important too... i think, similar to sushi's, i come up with same shapes then do 'side stepping' to go out...

but still, cant do thing's fluetly.. kelngan cguro, religious practice sa phrasing..

niwey, i'll try to purchase scott's 'phrasing lesson'...hmmm.. tnx 'nice music'..

your most welcome!

if you can drop by my office i can give you a vcd copy(free  :-D)

pm me if your interested ok...

there's so much to learn... :?
wow, how generous naman sir...wer office nyo sir? niwey tnx..
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Offline jazhombie

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Re: outside playing??
« Reply #17 on: May 11, 2007, 06:25:49 PM »
Quote from: deltaslim on May 11, 2007, 03:58:04 PM
Quote from: jazhombie on May 11, 2007, 08:53:25 AM
Quote from: Boddhisattva on May 11, 2007, 08:47:37 AM
Quote from: psychic_sushi on May 11, 2007, 12:40:29 AM

lemme assess my sched, jam tayo lahat sana, or meet up at an EB. Jazz take over!!!  :-)


Sama ako ha kahit observer lang...
ur always wecome sir,,, jam k n rin... :-D

jazz ba kamo?  out pa?  sige, i'll bring bib pamunas ng laway ko habang nanonood sa inyo... :-D
i'll bring my jacket pag ikaw n ang mg-jam..nkakakilabot bwat notang bitwan mo.. :-D
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Offline psychic_sushi

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Re: outside playing??
« Reply #18 on: May 12, 2007, 05:57:34 AM »
Quote from: Boddhisattva on May 11, 2007, 08:47:37 AM
Quote from: psychic_sushi on May 11, 2007, 12:40:29 AM

lemme assess my sched, jam tayo lahat sana, or meet up at an EB. Jazz take over!!!  :-)


Sama ako ha kahit observer lang...

hey Bodd!!

damn, tagal na pala tayo di nag jam! since last with jim, that was about it. hmmm... i'll try my bestest to set something up.
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Offline psychic_sushi

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Re: outside playing??
« Reply #19 on: May 12, 2007, 05:58:55 AM »
Quote from: fusionenigma on May 11, 2007, 06:53:25 PM
Quote from: deltaslim on May 11, 2007, 03:58:04 PM
Quote from: jazhombie on May 11, 2007, 08:53:25 AM
Quote from: Boddhisattva on May 11, 2007, 08:47:37 AM
Quote from: psychic_sushi on May 11, 2007, 12:40:29 AM

lemme assess my sched, jam tayo lahat sana, or meet up at an EB. Jazz take over!!!  :-)


Sama ako ha kahit observer lang...
ur always wecome sir,,, jam k n rin... :-D

jazz ba kamo?  out pa?  sige, i'll bring bib pamunas ng laway ko habang nanonood sa inyo... :-D

dala na rin ako pamunas baka mag nose bleed ako.  :-)

i, on the other hand, shall sport adult diapers...



just in case i sh#t myself  :lol:
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Re: outside playing??
« Reply #20 on: May 12, 2007, 10:39:52 AM »
sali ako!!! pwede magdala ng videocam para may pag-aralan ako? kung may...iba...kayo gustong i-document pagkatapos ng jam e ok lang basta hindi na ako ang cameraman.  :wink:
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« Reply #21 on: May 12, 2007, 11:55:04 AM »
sama ko jan,san po ba?kelan?

di ko pa kasi namimeet karamihan dito sa forums,kaya gusto ko manuod....para maraming mapulot :-)
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« Reply #22 on: May 12, 2007, 03:26:01 PM »
Quote from: psychic_sushi on May 12, 2007, 05:57:34 AM
Quote from: Boddhisattva on May 11, 2007, 08:47:37 AM
Quote from: psychic_sushi on May 11, 2007, 12:40:29 AM

lemme assess my sched, jam tayo lahat sana, or meet up at an EB. Jazz take over!!!  :-)


Sama ako ha kahit observer lang...

hey Bodd!!

damn, tagal na pala tayo di nag jam! since last with jim, that was about it. hmmm... i'll try my bestest to set something up.

Yeah, work always get in the way of music...   ummh...  but on the other hand work allows me to buy music stuff. I'll drop by PIMP sometime
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Re: outside playing??
« Reply #23 on: May 13, 2007, 12:39:56 AM »
Quote from: deltaslim on May 10, 2007, 04:54:04 PM
But yeah, Thelonious nails it.  Any fool can play "out", but only geniuses like Monk and Powell can make it "feel" like it wasn't. 
i'm that fool :lol:

i hit a lot of "out" notes but usually not on purpose. madalas ,when i'm not looking at what my hands are doing and they get knocked half a step off (usually in the wrong direction). minsan, i get cocky and start placing chromatics in the wrong places. also, when i lose track of where the music is and i fail to move with it. :lol:
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Offline renvill2

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Re: outside playing??
« Reply #24 on: May 14, 2007, 06:40:05 PM »
tama kayo, Monk rightly exemplifies this type of (out) playing.

others who typify this side-stepping of notes are:

steve coleman, kenny garrett and greg osby.
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