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Offline Bammbamm

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Jazz Jam Do's & Dont's
« on: January 21, 2007, 01:43:50 PM »
Please share your ideas on how a Jazz musician should conduct himself during jam sessions,especially if one is not familiar with the others' musical background or song repertoirs; or worse, first-time jammer. :|

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Re: Jazz Jam Do's & Dont's
« Reply #1 on: January 22, 2007, 01:28:20 AM »
Respect should always be a prime consideration - respect for other people's space, equipment and the music played.

It wouldn't hurt to 'survey' the scene first, as in, get to know who the players are and the songs they play, and gauge yourself accordingly if you deem yourself 'fit' for such an environment.

Now, even if you do feel you're more than qualified to jam, make sure you politely ask any of the band members if it's ok to sit in and play a tune or two.

When you get that far enough and actually do get asked to sit in, be very, very careful with the other person's equipment (assuming you didn't bring your own guitar or bass). Which means being careful with the belt buckle or anything that could cause scratches or dents on the instrument.

Being a guest jammer usually means being the one to call the tune. For practicality, it's best to stick to familiar tunes that most players would know. Don't say, "Giant Steps in F# in 9/8!!!"

Be mindful of your volume level, especially when soloing. Leave your Spinal Tap impressions at home. Likewise for your Metal Zone pedal ..

Always take your cue from the band leader as to when to solo. The worst thing you can do is abruptly cut someone off in mid-solo.

Most important of all: keep your solos short

If you've made it through your first tune, check if the audience (and the band) is still awake. If they want to hear more from you, they'll prod you on. Otherwise, that's your cue to step down.

When you do go offstage, never fail to thank the guy you borrowed your instrument from, and the rest of the band as well - and be quick in doing so.
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Re: Jazz Jam Do's & Dont's
« Reply #2 on: January 22, 2007, 01:45:06 AM »
Leave your Spinal Tap impressions at home. Likewise for your Metal Zone pedal ..

haha, discrimination! :-D

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Re: Jazz Jam Do's & Dont's
« Reply #3 on: January 23, 2007, 03:46:49 PM »
well said mr. deacon blues.  :-)
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Re: Jazz Jam Do's & Dont's
« Reply #4 on: January 23, 2007, 10:49:12 PM »
Thanks Deacon blues!

I think I've read that before in a saxophone website(?) :| but thanks!

Anyway, what if its just a casual jam where everyone doesn't know everyone,sort of an EB,you know. :|

I happen to jam with some guys kasi last december, very casual yung jam, walang particular song na tinugtog,talagang improvise. Nagstart maglagay yung bassist tapos nilagyan ko ng palo(drummer nga pala ko!)
Tapos si Lee von (Side A) ang nag gitara,tas may isang keyboardist. Bale pakiramdaman lang yung tugtugan,trip lang talaga. Bale alternate din yung mga musicians after a song or two, jamming-inuman lang naman kasi.

Ngayon, Im just curious kung kayo, usually how do you interact with other musicians sa ganitong situation(during playing)considering the fact na first time din lang kayo nag meet lahat. :-)

Share naman yung iba pa jan! Wala namang dogma dito, personal approach lang :-D
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Re: Jazz Jam Do's & Dont's
« Reply #5 on: January 24, 2007, 12:23:14 AM »
You're welcome anytime, bamm ..

So, it's an EB pala.

Looking back at my post, I just realized na parang napaka-formal pala nung mga suggestions that I came up with. I assumed that you're watching a band and jamming with them. Hindi pala.

If it's an EB thing, then anything goes! I don't really see any need for any rules because they don't apply.

Siguro, the only practical suggestion that I can offer (again) is for people to be more open about suggesting actual songs, with more creative and interesting chord changes, because ..

if you don't, it often turns out into those endless, eternal jams in A, D, or E minor, which gets boring really fast. I'm sure you know what I mean ..  :-)

Pakiramdaman is always the best way to start naman eh. But in time, I guess somebody has to give 'directions' or suggestions to everyone to get the ball rolling. Otherwise, the jam might turn out into something medyo magulo or walang direksyon. It's always nicer to hear a song with an actual intro, melody and a proper ending, diba?

Lee Von? Wow! I've heard a lot of good things about that guy. Fusion guy or something? You're obviously in good company.



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« Reply #6 on: January 24, 2007, 07:30:37 PM »
You're welcome anytime, bamm ..

So, it's an EB pala.

Looking back at my post, I just realized na parang napaka-formal pala nung mga suggestions that I came up with. I assumed that you're watching a band and jamming with them. Hindi pala.

If it's an EB thing, then anything goes! I don't really see any need for any rules because they don't apply.

Siguro, the only practical suggestion that I can offer (again) is for people to be more open about suggesting actual songs, with more creative and interesting chord changes, because ..

if you don't, it often turns out into those endless, eternal jams in A, D, or E minor, which gets boring really fast. I'm sure you know what I mean ..  :-)

Pakiramdaman is always the best way to start naman eh. But in time, I guess somebody has to give 'directions' or suggestions to everyone to get the ball rolling. Otherwise, the jam might turn out into something medyo magulo or walang direksyon. It's always nicer to hear a song with an actual intro, melody and a proper ending, diba?

Lee Von? Wow! I've heard a lot of good things about that guy. Fusion guy or something? You're obviously in good company.





Your'e right about everything you've said,bro.Thanks again!

 Bale first time ko lang kasi maki jam sa mga di ko kilala,saka ibang genre. Na intimidate na lang ako nung after one song, may pumalit na bahista, odd time yung nilagay- di ko na alam nasan yung 'one'! Mahirap na manghula, kaya pinasa ko na yung stick kay Jojo Laforteza  :lol:
Now, Im wondering kung anong impression nila about my playing. :oops:

Anyways, Lee Von is a very disciplined artist/guitarist. Marunong sya magdala ng tunog nya, kahit yung mga bassist na ka jam nya e mas maraming notang tinitipa (Im exagerrating) Hindi rin sya pa show off. Kahit ina alaska sya ng tropa na kanta ng Side A ang tugtugin!  :lol:
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Re: Jazz Jam Do's & Dont's
« Reply #7 on: January 28, 2007, 02:07:04 PM »
Ang masasabi ko lang...

PLEASE LANG, TAMA NA YUNG FUNK IN "E"... NA MAY WALANG KATAPUSANG TUTUPANK-TUTUPANK NA BASS SOLO SA DULO!!!

Tantanan na rin yung mga one-chord vamp, na walang intro, walang melody, walang form... at hindi mai-ending-ending nang maayos.

Nothing kills the mood faster than sh_t like that.

Oh... at kung tapos ka nang sumolo, wag ka nang sumolo pa ulit!

I've seen more than a couple of guitar players fall guilty of that at more than a couple of jam sessions. Yung gitarista na nga ang unang sumolo... tas nung tapos na ang lahat sumolo't dapat babalik na ng melody o ie-ending na yung kanta, biglang sumolo pa uli yung gitarista!

Haaayyy... like the joke says... how many guitar players does it take to screw in a lightbulb? One. And the world revolves around him.
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« Reply #8 on: January 28, 2007, 07:13:45 PM »
@ Aya_Yuson- Tama ka jan ser! :lol:
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Re: Jazz Jam Do's & Dont's
« Reply #9 on: January 30, 2007, 08:29:39 AM »
AABA forms dapat?

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« Reply #10 on: January 30, 2007, 08:37:53 AM »
Ang masasabi ko lang...

PLEASE LANG, TAMA NA YUNG FUNK IN "E"... NA MAY WALANG KATAPUSANG TUTUPANK-TUTUPANK NA BASS SOLO SA DULO!!!

Tantanan na rin yung mga one-chord vamp, na walang intro, walang melody, walang form... at hindi mai-ending-ending nang maayos.

Nothing kills the mood faster than sh_t like that.
crap. di nako pwede maki-jam. :D

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« Reply #11 on: January 30, 2007, 09:41:46 AM »
AABA forms dapat?



... well... ideally, yeah. AABA forms sana. Standards.

Pero kahit hindi. Basta may maliwanag na form, may melody. At higit sa lahat, yung alam ng lahat kung paano ie-ending!
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« Reply #12 on: January 30, 2007, 12:48:19 PM »

Nakakahiya nga naman sa mga tulad na ni Senor Aya na talagang malayo na ang naaabot tungkol sa kanilang musicality, talaga naman pong aayawan kayo ng mga funk jam na in E na walang katapusan. Natawa ako dun sa tutupank na bass solo sa dulo.... sign talaga ng walang ending na maayos e...

Pero nakaranas naman din ako ng pinajam ako tapos ang chord progression pang John Coltrane na di ko mahabol-habol dahil lipat nang lipat. Di naman kasi ako magaling pang gitarista.   Parang gusto kong agawin yung tambourine mula sa drummer at yun na lang ang tugtugin ko.

Isa pa siguro itong lesson sa jamming.  Tignan mo rin ang kakayahan mong tumugtog as compared to the other players na nandoon sa stage.  Pag sa tingin mong di naman kayo magtutugma, huwag nyo nang pilitin. Pero kung nagkakasayahan naman at ka-level mo ang tugtugan, kahit ba Johnny B. Goode ang gawin niyo for 40 minutes I'm sure it will be one hell of a jam.

nathan, okay lang iyon.  May mga gitarista pa ring nag-eenjoy sa mas simpleng tugtugan like "Funky E" simply because hanggang doon pa lang siguro ang musical capabilities nila.. . No offense kay Boss Aya, whom I know as one of the finest pickers in the country many years ago pa (Remember me, sir?). Pero ako, I'd be more than willing to play the never ending EM7 - AM7 vamp of Himig Natin anytime for those who would care to jam with me.

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« Reply #13 on: January 30, 2007, 01:00:33 PM »
I'm afraid some of you may have missed the point. Wala namang problema ang one-chord-jam, eh. Basta may MELODY at may FORM.

At may ending na klaro.

Trip din naman ang modal, eh. Basta nga may melody, form at ending. Wag lang yung tamang never ending story yung kanta.

At walang tutupank-tutupank.  :-D

Pero oo, sang-ayon ako na dapat ngang makibagay sa mga kasama mo sa entablado't sa kakayahan nila.
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« Reply #14 on: January 30, 2007, 01:07:25 PM »
Hahaha.  I really enjoy the tutupank tutupank part :-D.

May isa pang mas malabong ending, Senor,.... yung mapapagod magtutupank yung bahista kaya ipapa drum solo na lang hanggang magsawa. 


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« Reply #15 on: January 30, 2007, 01:12:00 PM »
Onga, totoo.

Pero mas hassle yung tutupank tutupank.
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Re: Jazz Jam Do's & Dont's
« Reply #16 on: January 31, 2007, 02:57:38 AM »
Ang masasabi ko lang...

PLEASE LANG, TAMA NA YUNG FUNK IN "E"... NA MAY WALANG KATAPUSANG TUTUPANK-TUTUPANK NA BASS SOLO SA DULO!!!


Aya,

"E" as in "EPOL" or "E" as in "EGOL"?

 :? :? :?





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« Reply #17 on: January 31, 2007, 05:00:46 AM »
may narinig akong jam, gitara ang una nagsolo tapos after ng lahat magsolo, solo ulit ng gitara, hindi yung melody kundi solo ulit. haha. inabot siguro ng mga 10 mins lahat. hehe
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« Reply #18 on: January 31, 2007, 06:18:03 PM »
E as in, "eh, kasi naman..." at "'Eto na naman tayo...".
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« Reply #19 on: March 28, 2007, 05:14:49 PM »
how bout yung ayaw mag bigay at gahaman mag solo???..bassist here my experienced lang me kajam dalawang sax and trumpets..puro kanila di na pinagbigyan ang gitarista ,bahista at drummer... :? :?

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« Reply #20 on: March 29, 2007, 02:49:24 PM »
how bout yung ayaw mag bigay at gahaman mag solo???..bassist here my experienced lang me kajam dalawang sax and trumpets..puro kanila di na pinagbigyan ang gitarista ,bahista at drummer... :? :?
ang twag jan ego-tripping at sugapa... yung atat at gusto bida parati, maraming ganyan hehehe :-D :-D :-D

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« Reply #21 on: March 29, 2007, 10:10:46 PM »
yup feeling ata nila big band pa cla e jamming nga e..dun sa big band cla bida dun hehe

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« Reply #22 on: March 30, 2007, 03:41:05 PM »
nice inputs! haha, nakakatawa ung funk in e. really reminds mo of my high school days. tapos kameng mga drummer ultra poste mode. tapos akala mo time for a drum break or solo of some sort kasi magouout ung gitarista un pala bass solo. then after a melody hihina ulit akala mo drum break or solo of some sort tapos fade to end pala. haha. bitter.

some tips lang sa drummers, based on experience. keep the mood going. improvise creatively but never, ever overplay. and when the tune needs the swing, keep swinging. and dynamics, know when to tone down, and keep the punches interesting. know your role in the band, stay in your space, and phrase your solos well. un lang. :-) 

final thought - have a good attitude. enjoy your playing. kung hindi ka binigyan ng solo spot don't mess up the song. a solo is not the only way to tell how good a drummer is.

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Re: Jazz Jam Do's & Dont's
« Reply #23 on: March 30, 2007, 04:24:39 PM »
Ang masasabi ko lang...

PLEASE LANG, TAMA NA YUNG FUNK IN "E"... NA MAY WALANG KATAPUSANG TUTUPANK-TUTUPANK NA BASS SOLO SA DULO!!!

Tantanan na rin yung mga one-chord vamp, na walang intro, walang melody, walang form... at hindi mai-ending-ending nang maayos.

Nothing kills the mood faster than sh_t like that.

Oh... at kung tapos ka nang sumolo, wag ka nang sumolo pa ulit!

I've seen more than a couple of guitar players fall guilty of that at more than a couple of jam sessions. Yung gitarista na nga ang unang sumolo... tas nung tapos na ang lahat sumolo't dapat babalik na ng melody o ie-ending na yung kanta, biglang sumolo pa uli yung gitarista!

Haaayyy... like the joke says... how many guitar players does it take to screw in a lightbulb? One. And the world revolves around him.



BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!  :lol: :lol: :lol:

galing kosa..tu tu pank tu tu pank pank pank tu tu pank..

Nasaring rin lang naman:

" Jam tayo"

"Cge, jazz naman".

" Jazz? dapat Maj7!" ....Kraaaaang.  :-D
 

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Re: Jazz Jam Do's & Dont's
« Reply #24 on: March 31, 2007, 11:43:10 PM »

some tips lang sa drummers, based on experience. keep the mood going. improvise creatively but never, ever overplay. and when the tune needs the swing, keep swinging. and dynamics, know when to tone down, and keep the punches interesting. know your role in the band, stay in your space, and phrase your solos well. un lang. :-) 

final thought - have a good attitude. enjoy your playing. kung hindi ka binigyan ng solo spot don't mess up the song. a solo is not the only way to tell how good a drummer is.


Thank u very much, sir! :-)
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