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The Musician Forums => Guitar Central => Topic started by: judas.cradle on July 29, 2014, 05:48:30 PM
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Mga idol!
Sino sino pa ba mga Guitar Luthiers sa Pilipinas?
Ang kilala ko lang ay si Sir Max Rufo e. hehe
Pa-Post nalang po at palagay ng mga details nya.
like kung saan location nya at paano makoContact.
MagBigay nadin kayo ng Reviews. :)
kung meron din, palagay ng Pics ng mga Pinagawa nyo at mga ginawa nilang Gitara!
Salamat! :D
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:-D
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I think almost all of them has their separate threads here in PM. Just go search for it so that we can avoid redundancy.
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Mga idol!
Sino sino pa ba mga Guitar Luthiers sa Pilipinas?
Ang kilala ko lang ay si Sir Max Rufo e. hehe
Pa-Post nalang po at palagay ng mga details nya.
like kung saan location nya at paano makoContact.
MagBigay nadin kayo ng Reviews. :)
kung meron din, palagay ng Pics ng mga Pinagawa nyo at mga ginawa nilang Gitara!
Salamat! :D
Wala yatang luthier in the truest sense. Either Guitar repairman OR nagpapanggap na Guitar Builder.
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Wala yatang luthier in the truest sense. Either Guitar repairman OR nagpapanggap na Guitar Builder.
This. LOL. :-(
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http://talk.philmusic.com/index.php?topic=294599.0
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Wala yatang luthier in the truest sense. Either Guitar repairman OR nagpapanggap na Guitar Builder.
May I know how someone can qualify to be called a guitar builder?
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May I know how someone can qualify to be called a guitar builder?
royc, i'll share you how i see things.
Luthier is a heavy title. it is like being called a master chef.
a master is called a master because he has mastered the basics.
master chefs can cook anything out of anything because they know the basics.
a lot of "builders" in pinas are like Cooking enthusiasts, they follow cookbooks, so to speak.
here in Oz, many people build guitars as a hobby, some have been building for 20 years. but they don't dare call themselves Luthiers.
sa pinas talaga nagmamadali ang tao. even sa guns, naka ilang seminars lang eh gun instructor na. in martial arts ganun din sa pinas. mabilis ang pagpromote
LUthiery in other countries it takes many many years. and many many creations. kahit sa knife and blacksmithing industry ganun din. you have to come up with something really unique to show you
know what you've studied.
Perry Ormsby is one popular Luthier in Oz.
how was he able to demonstrate his mastery over the craft?
he has his own UNIQUE creations. kumbaga marami syang "thesis papers". systhesis ng kanyang pagaaral at experience. he has his own tuning system/compensation system. his own fret arrangement. his own bridges. his own paint formula.
he frequents international guitar shows and has gotten good PEER reviews from people in the industry, aside from customers. parang science community din yan,
if your research is praised by peers and scientific bodies, then it is scientifically sound.
he also has local substitutes for the popular gasgas to death na wood types.
his guitars are pulidong pulido. unlike some luthiers sa pinas, ie tabingi ang fret. how can you call yourself a master eh tabingi tabingi pa lang ang iyong gawa?
before creating his own guitars, pumasa siya sa standard ng iba't ibang popular brands at ginawa pa siyang official repair center. Gibson is one of them.
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Google search results define luthiers as someone who repairs OR build stringed instruments. Arie, arcee, micsis, and the likes would easily fit that definition. I also read of a guitar builder who was slammed for thinking that luthiers are limited to guitars.
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Mga idol!
Sino sino pa ba mga Guitar Luthiers sa Pilipinas?
Ang kilala ko lang ay si Sir Max Rufo e. hehe
Pa-Post nalang po at palagay ng mga details nya.
like kung saan location nya at paano makoContact.
MagBigay nadin kayo ng Reviews. :)
kung meron din, palagay ng Pics ng mga Pinagawa nyo at mga ginawa nilang Gitara!
Salamat! :D
http://talk.philmusic.com/index.php?topic=294599.0
regarding reviews, may mga dedicated threads naman para sa kanila, search button + back reading may help
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http://royconguitars.blogspot.com/2014/01/guide-to-local-luthiers.html?
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a word can have variable depths depending on how or where it is used.
one can be an accountant in Pinas, and won't be recognized in other parts of the world. however one can be a Chartered Accountant under the ICAEW and you'll be in demand
and well respected around the world.
iba ang selection, training, exposure, experience. ICAEW has proven this for many many decades.
can pinoys become a CA? sure. daanan lang nila yung processo. that is if kaya nila.
same thing with Luthiery. ano ba ang nadaan ni GY bago siya naging ganun kagaling?
sure. there are people in pinas that can do the work and loosely use the Luthier title. their exposure, training, experience will be different nga lang.
being world class is also another thing. you have to prove yourself on the international stage.
hindi naiiba sa drivers license. sure marami lisensyado to drive in pinas. but can they drive in other countries? dami pinoy bumabagsak sa driving test sa ibang bansa
despite of their claims. hence, no matter how overseas pinoys flaunt their licensees, hindi pinapansin ng mga LTO counterparts. na water down kasi ang image.
same banana din yan sa lutheirs, if the title is misused, it will not be taken seriously by others.
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Based on the definition of what a luthier is, there are luthiers in the Philippines. I did not see the term "recognized worldwide" as a pre-requisite to being called a luthier.
BTW ICAEW and PICPA have an MOU to work more closely together. I believe that is an indication that local accountants' capabilities are not [edited] as low as you think.
Arie is also recognized by Gibson, if my memory serves me right. I believe they went here to meet him.
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its about being accepted by fellow luthiers around the word. parang Peer acknowledgement. then ibig sabihin sound ang experience mo.
like what i previously said, pag na acknowledge ng scientific community na tama ang methodology mo. then that means tama ang ginagawa mo. yun ang analogy.
sa ibang bansa nga ang pagiging carpentero ay dumadaan pa sa apprenticeship eh.
if pinas will always think its the best, it will never move beyond 3rd world status.
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The ts is looking for luthiers in The Philippines
Baket biglang gumulo ang usapan
Sa pilipinas ang kahulugan ng luthier ay taga gawa ng gitara
Sa ibang bansa, ibang usapan na yan.
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Based on the definition of what a luthier is, there are luthiers in the Philippines. I did not see the term "recognized worldwide" as a pre-requisite to being called a luthier.
BTW ICAEW and PICPA has an MOU to work more closely together. I believe that is an indication that local accountants' capabilities are as low as you think.
Arie is also recognized by Gibson, if my memory serves me right. I believe they went here to meet him.
OT: I worked with Chinese, Mongolian, Australian, British and even American CPAs. I'll pick Filipino CPAs without thinking twice.
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good read..
its true in Philippine setting...guitar techs, and guitar repairmen..and hobbyists are often called luthier as general term... but in more sophisticated societies..luthiery is an art and science that needs years and years of experience..guitar building...woodwork..etc..
notice in foreign forums..they usually address guys who do those typical run of the mill jobs like soldering, guitar set up..string change, pickup change etc...repainting...as.."GUITAR TECHNICIAN"--guitar tech for short...common comments for threads about guitar set up..
"Take it to a tech"...or "find a reputable tech to fix your truss rod" etc..
Seldom you will see them dropping the word "LUTHIER" for set up jobs and wiring repairs..
kaya nga nakakatawa paminsan makakita ng mga post na..
"Badtrip LUTHIER ko! layo pa naman ng dinayo ko...pinaayos ko yung fret buzz pagbalik sakin may buzz parin..at lalong lumalala.." type of comments... in the true sense pag luthier sobrang high level na ng understanding niya ng guitara..dapat siguradong pagbalik sa iyo wala ng problema..or at least sinabihan ka man lang about how the guitar moves due to weather etc..etc...
eto question...do you think the guys at Sta. Mesa..or Guitar Salon..or sa RJ Galleria dati na nagrerepair ay LUTHIER?!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luthier
medyo mahilig lang kasi pinoys sa "titles"...mga honorable, his excellency, congressman, his holiness etc...pero di naman talaga deserving artista lang or sumayaw sayaw sa entablado...
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The ts is looking for luthiers in The Philippines
Baket biglang gumulo ang usapan
Sa pilipinas ang kahulugan ng luthier ay taga gawa ng gitara
Sa ibang bansa, ibang usapan na yan.
Siguro kasi lumabas yung phrase na truest sense... This whole thing is loaded with baggage and can be interpreted in different ways.
I actually think this is relevant because nicknames and titles get thrown around here too lightly for my liking. On the other hand, I also think that titles and peer recognition are two different things and doesn't necessarily go hand in hand.
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My reaction was as a result of the statement that wala yatang luthier in the truest sense. That to me is an allegation that no pinoy luthier deserves the title. To that I have to disagree.
Before reacting I searched the net for the definition of luthier. No world class recognition was mentioned.
BTW I agree that those who only do setups, but no repairs and cannot build are guitar techs.
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Siguro kasi lumabas yung phrase na truest sense... This whole thing is loaded with baggage and can be interpreted in different ways.
I actually think this is relevant because nicknames and titles get thrown around here too lightly for my liking. On the other hand, I also think that titles and peer recognition are two different things and doesn't necessarily go hand in hand.
Haha this thread actually turned out to be a good discussion about the true sense or meaning of the word luthier and applying it in our philippine setting. The title actually fits the discussions. Sorry ts, mag search ka na lang ng luthiers sa search buttons. Dont worry philmusic still uses the word luthiers for guitar tech and repairman.
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'Beauty of the Burst' author, world renowned collector and Gibson rep Yasuhiko Iwanade flew in from Japan and visited Arie. And you believe there are no pinoy luthiers?
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'Beauty of the Burst' author, world renowned collector and Gibson rep Yasuhiko Iwanade flew in from Japan and visited Arie. And you believe there are no pinoy luthiers?
nothing against arie, or any of the mentioned above..pano kung siya yung "expert" na tingin ni Yasuhiko, qualified na agad as luthier?
i have nothing against titles, i call them luthier, CPA, Engr., Manong foreman or kung ano pa..di ko na kelangan ng malupit na evaluation
good read though..carry on
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kasama ba sa criteria ng pgiging "luthier" kung gaano kaayos yung shop nya, may pinuntahan kase ko minsan na "luthier", bahing ako ng bahing dahil sa amoy at kalat. :)
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kasama ba sa criteria ng pgiging "luthier" kung gaano kaayos yung shop nya, may pinuntahan kase ko minsan na "luthier", bahing ako ng bahing dahil sa amoy at kalat. :)
i think, maari tong aspect na ito...pogi points din sa kanya and reflection ng mindset niya...parang mga masterchefs sa mga bigatin na restaurants...concious sila sa mga mansta at talsik sa white chefs uniform nila....kaya graceful mga galaw nila..
para ding sa construction site or kahit office ng lawyer or architect mo..dapat laging maayos at presentable...mindset at way of life kasi yan eh..for me plus points ito..
sa isip ko yung image ng mga high caliber masters ay japanese na gumagawa ng samurai...skills and spiritual at way of life yung paggawa ng craft niya...
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My reaction was as a result of the statement that wala yatang luthier in the truest sense.
That to me is an allegation that no pinoy luthier deserves the title. To that I have to disagree.
Like you, I too would disagree ...but I think I understand the basis for the opposite POV.
Before reacting I searched the net for the definition of luthier.
Then you might have arrived at the root of almost all contention here: that the term
luthier (or guitarrero) traditionally relates to acoustic stringed instruments, which
are in certain ways more demanding in terms of craftsmanship than electrics, and,
more to the point, is a regulated title in the Old World, earned after apprenticeship
under a master. In that particular application, the term denotes someone who can
build a guitar from nearly scratch, with some purists machining even the gears for
tuning mechanisms, in their tiny one-man (or nearly so) shops.
In that "strictest sense" of regulated apprenticeship and certification, yes, it might
seem that there are no Filipino "luthiers" (Adolfo Timuat y Toyoda aside... and yes,
I'm not sure Tabo Derecho qualifies)... but only if one has his head firmly planted
in the Old World, where it's not so much having the actual skill, but having the formal
certification of such skill, that matters.
To one who does have his head so-planted, then the only way for a local Filipino to
be able to claim to be a "luthier" is to train in Spain and set up shop here; and then
HE/SHE can begin training apprentice luthiers here, under the same guild guidelines.
Magiging lineage/pedigree 'yan.
Pero naman, if you bring a Spanish-trained luthier to the Philippines, e malamang na
mangangapa yan, kasi iba ang climate and raw materials, no matter how well-certified
he is as an Old World "luthier": malamang talbog sila kay Tabo.
Natatawa nga ako sa criticisms of Pinoy-made acoustic guitars: palpak daw because
the boards tend to shrink and even split in a drier overseas climate. But acoustic guitars
built in drier overseas climates are just as 'palpak', because they can't handle our local
humidity: bubuntis na lang ang soundboard sa bridge, kakalas ang binding, sakal ang
neck, etc... but I digress.
Henyweyyy....
OP was likely asking about electrics, so all of the ^above "strictest sense" blah
never applied. He was likely asking about build/repair of electrics, and the highly skilled
builders we have in this country would more than satisfy his guitar-needs.
Do I think local builders of electrics are world-class?
For custom/pasadya one-offs, I think they have what it takes.
With enough incentive, any of the better "builders" here could match the quality of many
'names' abroad. Kaso nga lang, asaan ang incentive? Lowball ang budget ng clients, e.
Kung bihira lang ang high-end customer, why maintain high-end inventory? If they have
little experience sustaining volume of high-quality inventory, e di kulang rin ang overall
experience nila in terms of consistency in quality, production management, and above
all, aftersales service... all of which counts when assessing "world class" operations.
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and for local "luthiers" ..not really sought after mga pieces of works nila.....mahirap pa ibenta..
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and for local "luthiers" ..not really sought after mga pieces of works nila.....mahirap pa ibenta..
The more telling fact to be pointed out here is that people are actually trying to sell their custom guitars.
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The more telling fact to be pointed out here is that people are actually trying to sell their custom guitars.
Agree with this. may factor parin talaga ng "wanting more". GAS never ends hahahah
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Luthier came from the French word luth. It is also not another name for guitarrerro since luthier applies to any stringed instrument.
Incidentally, what do you call someone who built these guitars if luthier is not the correct term?
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Or the persons who repaired these guitars?
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What about those who do not use traditional guitar materials and invent their own pickups?
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IMO, one word. "Luthier".
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A Guitar Builder is anyone who builds guitars. Ang nagpapanggap na Guitar Builder is someone who does not know how to build guitars and passes it off as a guitar. Parang siyang DIY na palyado - 90% ng mga nandito sa Pinas ay ganyang klase.
A Guitar Builder is different from a Luthier. People who assemble and build guitars for Paul Reed Smith are called guitar builders but Paul Reed Smith - I consider a Luthier.
For me a Luthier is someone who is schooled in the art of guitar building or mentored under a known craftsmen for a significant experience OR educated thru a ton of experience at least thirty years or so with famous artists abroad and is considered an authority by American, Japanese and European companies.
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Luthier came from the French word luth. It is also not another name for guitarrerro since luthier applies to any stringed instrument.
Hi.
I'll assume you're addressing me, since you're focusing on the term guitarrero.
Luthier and guitarrero are interchangeable within the context of this forum,
which doesn't dwell so much on lutes, lyres, harps... but on guitars; and
most especially within the context of OP's request for info. Thread title pa lang,
he asked for "guitar luthiers", so I was operating in that vein.
If you want to get all pedantic and stuff, that can be fun, but you maybe ought devote
the energy to playing with Alex, since he's the one who seems to be belittling local talent.
Incidentally, what do you call someone who built these guitars if luthier is not the correct term?
IRL, I routinely refer to them by name, followed by "yung gumagawa ng gitara".
In GC forum, I favor "builder", because "luthier" sounds un peu trop efféminé pour moi, kek.
Luthier, guitarrero, or builder... it's really all the same to me, because, as I had
alluded to prior: I don't have my head firmly planted in the Old World or the so-called New.
I don't place much stock in pedigree either. It's the actual goods that count.
If a guitar sounds good to me and plays well for me, then that's all that matters.
I don't even care if it sounds good to others, including some self-proclaimed 'tone experts'.
Now, some 'tone experts' have the attitude that if it's local, it is generally inferior to imports.
I don't value their opinions on that subject too much, as I have my own ears/eyes/fingers
to make my own assessments.
I play because I want to play: not to impress others or pretend at credibility.
I buy a guitar because I need one to play, not to impress others or pretend at credibility.
Cheers.
:)
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If a guitar sounds good to me and plays well for me, then that's all that matters.
I don't even care if it sounds good to others, including some self-proclaimed 'tone experts'.
Now, some 'tone experts' have the attitude that if it's local, it is generally inferior to imports.
I don't value their opinions on that subject too much, as I have my own ears/eyes/fingers
to make my own assessments.
I play because I want to play: not to impress others or pretend at credibility.
I buy a guitar because I need one to play, not to impress others or pretend at credibility.
Cheers.
:)
+1
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I don't place much stock in pedigree either. It's the actual goods that count.
I agree. A luthier, by definition, builds or repairs stringed instruments. IMO, it does not matter where he got the training as long as he does his job to the satisfaction of his customers.
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Amen.
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Well said Horge... well said :)
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If you want to get all pedantic and stuff, that can be fun, but you maybe ought devote
the energy to playing with Alex, since he's the one who seems to be belittling local talent.
Sobrang taas ang tingin niyo sa local talent -- what little exists.
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I agree. A luthier, by definition, builds or repairs stringed instruments. IMO, it does not matter where he got the training as long as he does his job to the satisfaction of his customers.
Maraming sira ulong customers na mas marunong pa sa mga nag rerepair. Mga iba naman ang baba ng standards. Mga iba kuripot. Kaya mga training degree para ipakita na the person repairing your guitar has met the minimum standards of what is regarded worldwide as a luthier.
As an analogy, parang piloto iyan. Its not only the satisfaction of the passengers that count but that he is also knowledgeable and passed the minimum requirements to fly a passenger air plane.
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I mean common guys... Gusto niyo tawag na Guitar Luthier ang taga gawa niyo ng gitara pero gusto niyo naman presyong guitar repair man. If anybody cares to check the prices of acknowledged and known guitar luthiers outside the Philippines, would any of you care to pay for the same service at their rates?
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It's frustrating to know that it's nobody's fault that we can't agree on a proper term for "people who fix and/or build guitars and other stringed instruments." People tend to assign additional significance to the title "luthier" after all. It does sound a lot like the No true Scotsman fallacy to me though.
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I mean common guys... Gusto niyo tawag na Guitar Luthier ang taga gawa niyo ng gitara pero gusto niyo naman presyong guitar repair man. If anybody cares to check the prices of acknowledged and known guitar luthiers outside the Philippines, would any of you care to pay for the same service at their rates?
Can you please provide a link to a site that supports your definition of what a luthier is?
Cost of service in the Philippines is way lower than the same service when done in the states.
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Can you please provide a link to a site that supports your definition of what a luthier is?
Cost of service in the Philippines is way lower than the same service when done in the states.
There you go... its all in the price. How sad, in the other thread, at least someone pointed out that we should give our local guitar builders a chance by paying them as much and trusting them to deliver on the same value.
Its funny I was telling my friend luthier that since his refret jobs are considered by many to be on the level of world class, to increase his price because I felt he was under paid - in the USA he would be paid 4x as much - but he refused to. That's why we were talking about migrating abroad. Ang masakit lang sa Pinoy, 1/4 the price pero expectation USA quality. Sana man 1/4 USA quality. Heh heh.
This reminds me of my Made In China Sony Experia Z1. It cost me P36k which for me its the most expensive cellphone I have bought at this point in time. Yet following your logic, dapat hindi ganun ka mahal. Mas sulit pa yata kung bumili na lang ako ng Vertu.
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Can you please provide a link to a site that supports your definition of what a luthier is?
Better yet, I will give you a definition much better than mine or yours:
John Monteleone was born in Manhattan in 1947 and was raised on Long Island. He had taught himself at an early age to build guitars and began professionally restoring and building stringed musical instruments in 1973 after graduating Tarkio College with a degree to teach music.
Recognized as being one of the finest living archtop guitar and mandolin makers in the world today, John Monteleone has been at the forefront of innovative cutting-edge archtop instrument making for many years.
His uniquely designed instruments are the essence of artistic expression, reflected in the subtle but challenging marriage of form and function.
John Monteleone has been pushing the luthiery envelope for more than forty years with his refreshing passion for new and elegant designs. Producing instruments of great tonal expression is also one of Monteleone’s missions in life.
A dedication to the refined harmonic balances of tone and playability is always the central nucleus of structural foundation around which he often introduces the more interesting design accents and playful nature of his original and beautiful works.
Although Monteleone offers a line of standard high-end instruments he is also well known for his one-of-a kind extravagantly individualized and prized custom works of playable musical art.
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I think almost all of them has their separate threads here in PM. Just go search for it so that we can avoid redundancy.
di ko po alam name nila , nagSearch ako dito pero wala ako nakita, yung kay sir max lang po. hehe
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http://talk.philmusic.com/index.php?topic=294599.0
ayon, di ko ito n akita . XD
asige . sana lang din mura, kasi papagawa sana ako ng neck . XD
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kasama ba sa criteria ng pgiging "luthier" kung gaano kaayos yung shop nya, may pinuntahan kase ko minsan na "luthier", bahing ako ng bahing dahil sa amoy at kalat. :)
saan yung luthier na yon idol?
nagpagawa ka? howmuch? XD
wala naman ako sa ganun , actually mas priority ko yung quality and price. XD
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wala naman ako sa ganun , actually mas priority ko yung quality and price. XD
Try niyo po sir kay Arcee, Sa may Pacita, San Pedro Laguna. Meron din po silang sariling thread dito just search for it :)
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Try niyo po sir kay Arcee, Sa may Pacita, San Pedro Laguna. Meron din po silang sariling thread dito just search for it :)
asige po . XD
malayo nga lang pero kung mura naman, bka pwede nadin. salamat idol! XD
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asige po . XD
malayo nga lang pero kung mura naman, bka pwede nadin. salamat idol! XD
Here's a list with location
http://royconguitars.blogspot.com/2014/01/guide-to-local-luthiers.html?m=1
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ayon, di ko ito n akita . XD
asige . sana lang din mura, kasi papagawa sana ako ng neck . XD
Here's a friendly piece of advice... Pag merong nag quote sa iyo ng neck for less than P7,000, mag-ingat ka, maghanap ka ng sample work at kilatisin mo muna.
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just to add to the current discussion ... i am with firemodel on this.
for repairs and set-up work, we have some great guys here in pinas. but if you want a high quality custom guitar, you will not get it here. hell, i even had one made in the USA for $2,300 ... and the guy is a "guitar builder," not a real luthier. i wish i bought a Sadowsky with the money i spent.
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I had one of our guys here in PH .. build me a custom for 67385.55 pesos and It feels and plays like a 4K usd worth suhr modern to me :) .minsan nasa nagpapagawa din kasi siguro ito ... if your willing to spend more cash and time to provide our locals with say wood, parts and to discuss thoroughly yung gusto mo maging outcome ng custom mo .. then you'll definitely get the quality your looking for. just my 2 cents .. no intention to offend anyone peace guys ♥♥
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I had one of our guys here in PH .. build me a custom for 67385.55 pesos and It feels and plays like a 4K usd worth suhr modern to me :) .minsan nasa nagpapagawa din kasi siguro ito ... if your willing to spend more cash and time to provide our locals with say wood, parts and to discuss thoroughly yung gusto mo maging outcome ng custom mo .. then you'll definitely get the quality your looking for. just my 2 cents .. no intention to offend anyone peace guys ♥♥
So, if the Suhr Modern was priced at P67,384.55 -- one peso less than the local custom, would you still buy the local custom? Just a question for clarification. Peace.
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So, if the Suhr Modern was priced at P67,384.55 -- one peso less than the local custom, would you still buy the local custom? Just a question for clarification. Peace.
Ill of course buy the Suhr one (which is what I modeled my custom from) that would be a relief :). if it was that cheap :) . ♥♥♥ additional info (my custom has the same hardware as the legit suhr modern minus the cooked caramelized magic wood :) ).
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^pics :)
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old pictures :)
Naka Cl at LF pa sya nung time na ito .
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^^^ may I ask kung sinong nag build nito?
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Oo naman bro :) Mike Sison :)
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looks good! specs breakdown naman! hehe
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lahat ng nasa suhr GG modern hehehe same lang minus the blower switch :D and mid pick ups. it would be the ff: Dimarzio Evolution mid.. Gotoh 510TS-SF1 tremolo bridge, Tremol no , Suhr SSH+ humbucker (zb) ,SSV humbucker (zb) pickups, Sperzel Locking .
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Here's a friendly piece of advice... Pag merong nag quote sa iyo ng neck for less than P7,000, mag-ingat ka, maghanap ka ng sample work at kilatisin mo muna.
here's a breakdown of how much it actually cost materials wise to make a guitar neck in Manila
maple a 1 x 4 x 30in = 0.83 board foot blank will cost you = 207 pesos regardless of figure its the same price when you get them from the lumber yard
frets lets say 150-250 assuming the luthier imports it himself via lets say jescar
truss rod will set you back around 150 pesos both for vintage type and double action
less labor we are around 600-700 pesos in materials
labor wise it depends on the builder how he values his labor, problem is most people want to pay less but expects to get more than what they actually paid for
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I had one of our guys here in PH .. build me a custom for 67385.55 pesos and It feels and plays like a 4K usd worth suhr modern to me :) .minsan nasa nagpapagawa din kasi siguro ito ... if your willing to spend more cash and time to provide our locals with say wood, parts and to discuss thoroughly yung gusto mo maging outcome ng custom mo .. then you'll definitely get the quality your looking for. just my 2 cents .. no intention to offend anyone peace guys ♥♥
how much did it actually cost you? i mean less parts just the build itself, wood and labor? thanks
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here's a breakdown of how much it actually cost materials wise to make a guitar neck in Manila
maple a 1 x 4 x 30in = 0.83 board foot blank will cost you = 207 pesos regardless of figure its the same price when you get them from the lumber yard
frets lets say 150-250 assuming the luthier imports it himself via lets say jescar
truss rod will set you back around 150 pesos both for vintage type and double action
less labor we are around 600-700 pesos in materials
labor wise it depends on the builder how he values his labor, problem is most people want to pay less but expects to get more than what they actually paid for
nice share!
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truss rod will set you back around 150 pesos both for vintage type and double action
less labor we are around 600-700 pesos in materials
labor wise it depends on the builder how he values his labor, problem is most people want to pay less but expects to get more than what they actually paid for
OT. saan ka nakabili ng truss rod locally?(pref.bass) im looking for one for a restoration project. TIA
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Ganda. Swabe talaga gumawa yan si sir mike. Btw, knot ba yung nasa left side?
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how much did it actually cost you? i mean less parts just the build itself, wood and labor? thanks
My friend also had a Suhr Modern-type build done by Elegee, and it set him back around 55k. I asked Micsis naman how much it would cost to build something similar, with Suhr pickups, locking tuners, Gotoh trem, and a figured maple top, around 55-60k din. Gilead (Kevin/free2rock) also said a custom guitar built to my specs (Suhr Standard-based, with a 1-pc baked maple neck and figured maple top) would be around the same price range. I'm guessing it's also the same for the Modern build posted here that Micsis built.
edit: I didn't see that you specified only the wood and labor -- sorry! IIRC, nasa 20k range. So yung parts talaga ang nagpapamahal sa overall build.
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respect to all our luthiers... hope that their generation will pass through their sons and daughters(won't know) here in pampanga i only know one but it seems ceased :-\ ..subscribed
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My friend also had a Suhr Modern-type build done by Elegee, and it set him back around 55k. I asked Micsis naman how much it would cost to build something similar, with Suhr pickups, locking tuners, Gotoh trem, and a figured maple top, around 55-60k din. Gilead (Kevin/free2rock) also said a custom guitar built to my specs (Suhr Standard-based, with a 1-pc baked maple neck and figured maple top) would be around the same price range. I'm guessing it's also the same for the Modern build posted here that Micsis built.
I think as much as we want to fantasize that they are equal to a REAL Suhr Modern. They are NOT. I probably have been the longest Suhr Modern Owner if NOT in the Philippines maybe in the whole Asia for the simple reason my Suhr Modern belongs to the first batch ever built. In fact, I got the guitar just a few days when the first Moderns were shipping out. And I can tell you than NONE of the guitar builders you mentioned can equal my specific Suhr Modern in tone (specially this aspect), quality of materials and workmanship.
That being said, there are also plenty of Suhr duds just as there are plenty of Elegee and Micsis duds -- probably Gilead too.
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I think as much as we want to fantasize that they are equal to a REAL Suhr Modern. They are NOT. I probably have been the longest Suhr Modern Owner if NOT in the Philippines maybe in the whole Asia for the simple reason my Suhr Modern belongs to the first batch ever built. In fact, I got the guitar just a few days when the first Moderns were shipping out. And I can tell you than NONE of the guitar builders you mentioned can equal my specific Suhr Modern in tone (specially this aspect), quality of materials and workmanship.
That being said, there are also plenty of Suhr duds just as there are plenty of Elegee and Micsis duds -- probably Gilead too. The biggest difference is I have a lifetime warranty from Suhr.
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meeh.
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I think as much as we want to fantasize that they are equal to a REAL Suhr Modern. They are NOT. I probably have been the longest Suhr Modern Owner if NOT in the Philippines maybe in the whole Asia for the simple reason my Suhr Modern belongs to the first batch ever built. In fact, I got the guitar just a few days when the first Moderns were shipping out. And I can tell you than NONE of the guitar builders you mentioned can equal my specific Suhr Modern in tone (specially this aspect), quality of materials and workmanship.
That being said, there are also plenty of Suhr duds just as there are plenty of Elegee and Micsis duds -- probably Gilead too.
That's nice, but I never said anything about their build qualities even being comparable. I dunno where you got that idea, honestly. The person I replied to was merely asking how much the Micsis Suhr Modern build turned out and I just gave my input based on my experience of asking for a quote from those builders. :)
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My friend also had a Suhr Modern-type build done by Elegee, and it set him back around 55k. I asked Micsis naman how much it would cost to build something similar, with Suhr pickups, locking tuners, Gotoh trem, and a figured maple top, around 55-60k din. Gilead (Kevin/free2rock) also said a custom guitar built to my specs (Suhr Standard-based, with a 1-pc baked maple neck and figured maple top) would be around the same price range. I'm guessing it's also the same for the Modern build posted here that Micsis built.
edit: I didn't see that you specified only the wood and labor -- sorry! IIRC, nasa 20k range. So yung parts talaga ang nagpapamahal sa overall build.
thanks sa reply bro and i totally understand everything on your post if you know what i mean :)
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That's nice, but I never said anything about their build qualities even being comparable. I dunno where you got that idea, honestly. The person I replied to was merely asking how much the Micsis Suhr Modern build turned out and I just gave my input based on my experience of asking for a quote from those builders. :)
Not really directed to you as the source, but rather a general statement on my part.
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My friend also had a Suhr Modern-type build done by Elegee, and it set him back around 55k. I asked Micsis naman how much it would cost to build something similar, with Suhr pickups, locking tuners, Gotoh trem, and a figured maple top, around 55-60k din. Gilead (Kevin/free2rock) also said a custom guitar built to my specs (Suhr Standard-based, with a 1-pc baked maple neck and figured maple top) would be around the same price range. I'm guessing it's also the same for the Modern build posted here that Micsis built.
Re: Guitar Luthiers in the Philippines -- alam niyo po ba kung sino po sa mga local luthiers ang may plek machine same gamit ng suhr for their fret work?
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Re: Guitar Luthiers in the Philippines -- alam niyo po ba kung sino po sa mga local luthiers ang may plek machine same gamit ng suhr for their fret work?
walang may plek dito bro, on a business standpoint parang d viable masyadong malaki ang investment sa plek iilan lang naman ang willing mag bayad sa 2500 nga na refret yung iba parang namamahalan pa lol
this is roger sadowsky's opinion
"I am often asked my opinion of the PLEK machine.....
I was one of the first people that PLEK approached many years ago....and I have stayed current on the improvements they have made over time. Honestly, I have yet to find a good reason to purchase a PLEK.
First of all, I made my reputation on my fretwork. There is no machine on the planet that can do better fretwork than Sadowsky Guitars. Second, there is a fundamental flaw with the logic behind the PLEK. 99% of all neck problems are in the true-ness of the fingerboard. I am fundamentally opposed to removing material from the frets to compensate for problems in the fingerboard. If there is a playability issue with one of my instruments, I will remove the frets, rework the fingerboard and then refret with our impeccable fretwork.
I can see some benefit to companies that import a lot of inexpensive instruments or to repair shops that do a lot of fret dressing and set-up work. However, a PLEK machine brings no "value added" to Sadowsky Guitars, other than having to pass the $100,000 + expense to my customers.
My final word on the subject is that the US sales representative for PLEK, after working on one of my instruments, called to tell me "Roger--you are about the only builder I know who does not need a PLEK".
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Re: Guitar Luthiers in the Philippines -- alam niyo po ba kung sino po sa mga local luthiers ang may plek machine same gamit ng suhr for their fret work?
Bago yata magka plek machine ang mga local repairmen ay dapat mo turuan muna kung paano mag refret with the exception of one. heh heh
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My final word on the subject is that the US sales representative for PLEK, after working on one of my instruments, called to tell me "Roger--you are about the only builder I know who does not need a PLEK".
dapat si johan tinanong nya din :lol:
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I think as much as we want to fantasize that they are equal to a REAL Suhr Modern. They are NOT. I probably have been the longest Suhr Modern Owner if NOT in the Philippines maybe in the whole Asia for the simple reason my Suhr Modern belongs to the first batch ever built. In fact, I got the guitar just a few days when the first Moderns were shipping out. And I can tell you than NONE of the guitar builders you mentioned can equal my specific Suhr Modern in tone (specially this aspect), quality of materials and workmanship.
That being said, there are also plenty of Suhr duds just as there are plenty of Elegee and Micsis duds -- probably Gilead too.
Awesome bro . Kakaingit naman yang suhr mo <3 hoping to see vids or clips of you rocking out that suhr of yours . Your tone must be remarkable :) . Sana mag ka suhr din ako <3 in the meantime ipon muna ako at tiwala sa pcso lotto haha.
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walang may plek dito bro, on a business standpoint parang d viable masyadong malaki ang investment sa plek iilan lang naman ang willing mag bayad sa 2500 nga na refret yung iba parang namamahalan pa lol
this is roger sadowsky's opinion
"I am often asked my opinion of the PLEK machine.....
I was one of the first people that PLEK approached many years ago....and I have stayed current on the improvements they have made over time. Honestly, I have yet to find a good reason to purchase a PLEK.
First of all, I made my reputation on my fretwork. There is no machine on the planet that can do better fretwork than Sadowsky Guitars. Second, there is a fundamental flaw with the logic behind the PLEK. 99% of all neck problems are in the true-ness of the fingerboard. I am fundamentally opposed to removing material from the frets to compensate for problems in the fingerboard. If there is a playability issue with one of my instruments, I will remove the frets, rework the fingerboard and then refret with our impeccable fretwork.
I can see some benefit to companies that import a lot of inexpensive instruments or to repair shops that do a lot of fret dressing and set-up work. However, a PLEK machine brings no "value added" to Sadowsky Guitars, other than having to pass the $100,000 + expense to my customers.
My final word on the subject is that the US sales representative for PLEK, after working on one of my instruments, called to tell me "Roger--you are about the only builder I know who does not need a PLEK".
I was about to post this, he he he.
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Precise and meticulous work on fingerboard and frets talaga muna dapat.
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Bago yata magka plek machine ang mga local repairmen ay dapat mo turuan muna kung paano mag refret with the exception of one. heh heh
even that one isn't perfect but i believe he is the best and most qualified among them bunch when it
come to repairs and restorations, but he has limitations like everybody else,
believe it or not may mga bagay na d nya kayang gawin na kaya nang iba, i know for a fact
cause some of his customers will go to other repair persons when he declines a certain job
that is way beyond his ability, you see everybody has its own talents and expertise and limitations
too.
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even that one isn't perfect but i believe he is the best and most qualified among them bunch when it
come to repairs and restorations, but he has limitations like everybody else,
believe it or not may mga bagay na d nya kayang gawin na kaya nang iba, i know for a fact
cause some of his customers will go to other repair persons when he declines a certain job
that is way beyond his ability, you see everybody has its own talents and expertise and limitations
too.
Are you sure he declines because its beyond his abilities or something else? Heh Heh. Something to think about....
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Are you sure he declines because its beyond his abilities or something else? Heh Heh. Something to think about....
yes im pretty sure he declined because it was beyond his ability otherwise he could easily have
taken the Job it was a complex pickup switching combination from one of his regulars, he said
he cant figure out how to execute the custom wiring combi, to his credit at least he was honest
about it. then another repair guy took the job and executed the customers request.
i know your a fan and i myself but he has limitations like everybody else maybe were forgetting
that he is only human.
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yes im pretty sure he declined because it was beyond his ability otherwise he could easily have
taken the Job it was a complex pickup switching combination from one of his regulars, he said
he cant figure out how to execute the custom wiring combi, to his credit at least he was honest
about it. then another repair guy took the job and executed the customers request.
i know your a fan and i myself but he has limitations like everybody else maybe were forgetting
that he is only human.
if we are talking about the same person, i had my greco es335 restoed by him but was not satisfied by the way my guitar neck buzzed. according sa kanya, normal daw sa hollowbody yun. i had it checked by somebody else and it turned out fine.
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yes im pretty sure he declined because it was beyond his ability otherwise he could easily have
taken the Job it was a complex pickup switching combination from one of his regulars, he said
he cant figure out how to execute the custom wiring combi, to his credit at least he was honest
about it. then another repair guy took the job and executed the customers request.
i know your a fan and i myself but he has limitations like everybody else maybe were forgetting
that he is only human.
Baka hindi nya forte ang electronics/custom wiring.
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Baka hindi nya forte ang electronics/custom wiring.
he is well verse but yung demand nang customers baka well beyond his ability, he is really good though and i believe his
refrets and restorations The best sa pinas
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Long good read. Some posts back mentioned, if it gets the job done, its good. Or parang ganun.
So, any recommendation within QC/Manila? Looking to have a guitar restored sana and latest info ay makakatulong. Salamat :)
Edit: checked the list and meron na napili puntahan. :)
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