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Re: Home Recording (Bedroom Players)
« Reply #575 on: September 01, 2015, 09:03:07 AM »

 
     Guys ask na rin ako question, yung bayaw ko may jamhub and Zoom H1 Handy Recorder
   
     Ang ginawa namin na setup Guitar>Zoom G3>Jamhub

                                                  E-Drums>Jamhub
 
                                                   Zoom H1 Handy Recorder > Jamhub


    Nung natapos kami magrecord- nung pinakinggan namin ang sagwa ng tunog. (Sabog)

    Yung Tunog ng guitar parang nirekta ko yung effects sa mixer
    Yung sa drums ok lang yung tunog

    Pero Overall - ang sagwa. sabog yung yunog. dahil siguro di namin natimpla yung volume ng effects and drums  mali yung setup namin?
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« Reply #576 on: September 01, 2015, 09:19:00 AM »
 
     Guys ask na rin ako question, yung bayaw ko may jamhub and Zoom H1 Handy Recorder
   
     Ang ginawa namin na setup Guitar>Zoom G3>Jamhub

                                                  E-Drums>Jamhub
 
                                                   Zoom H1 Handy Recorder > Jamhub


    Nung natapos kami magrecord- nung pinakinggan namin ang sagwa ng tunog. (Sabog)

    Yung Tunog ng guitar parang nirekta ko yung effects sa mixer
    Yung sa drums ok lang yung tunog

    Pero Overall - ang sagwa. sabog yung yunog. dahil siguro di namin natimpla yung volume ng effects and drums  mali yung setup namin?

set mo yung output ng G3 sa "Direct" (hindi combo/stack front or combo/stack return) tapos ensure mo na may amp sim sa chain ng G3 or else talagang tunog effects lang yan.
also ensure na hindi nagcclip yung signal or talagang sabog yan. pag yellow or red na yung signal mo, masyado na mainit.
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Re: Home Recording (Bedroom Players)
« Reply #577 on: September 01, 2015, 09:52:23 AM »


     
set mo yung output ng G3 sa "Direct" (hindi combo/stack front or combo/stack return) tapos ensure mo na may amp sim sa chain ng G3 or else talagang tunog effects lang yan.
also ensure na hindi nagcclip yung signal or talagang sabog yan. pag yellow or red na yung signal mo, masyado na mainit.



      Copy,  I'll try that. Tnx Bro
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« Reply #578 on: September 01, 2015, 04:41:27 PM »

I haven't actually tried this feature yet, but don't bet your dollar on it if you haven't tried it yet. There may be issues in word clock (especially kung walang word clock ports yung interface) and latency, especially when using different interfaces.

Yup sir...tried it. Tracked some drums using this method combining Tascam US1200 and Scarlet 2i2.

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« Reply #579 on: September 01, 2015, 04:51:43 PM »
Yup sir...tried it. Tracked some drums using this method combining Tascam US1200 and Scarlet 2i2.

nice, may latency ba? sino yung master/slave mo?
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« Reply #580 on: September 01, 2015, 04:55:49 PM »

nice, may latency ba? sino yung master/slave mo?

Alam ko sir yung Clock Source/Master ko is yung Tascam US1200. May latency around 6-7 ms...not noticeable.

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« Reply #581 on: September 01, 2015, 05:01:58 PM »
Alam ko sir yung Clock Source/Master ko is yung Tascam US1200. May latency around 6-7 ms...not noticeable.
nice. not bad, for drums. sa guitar siguro mas halata yung difference. but nothing a nudge won't fix  :)
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Re: Home Recording (Bedroom Players)
« Reply #582 on: September 04, 2015, 03:04:17 AM »
Hello friends! Just finished uploading the 3 pre-released tracks for the upcoming EP of my Project. They are Mixed and Mastered by yours truly. After a week of listening to them, i noticed a couple of stuff that needs to be adjusted and even re-record. But yeah...feast on them please. I am hoping that the pointers ill get from this process will better the output of the EP itself.

Comments and Criticism are most welcome!!!

Check out the tracks here: https://soundcloud.com/death-becomes-me/sets/dbm_pre_release (free Downloads din)

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« Reply #583 on: September 04, 2015, 08:47:12 AM »
Hello friends! Just finished uploading the 3 pre-released tracks for the upcoming EP of my Project. They are Mixed and Mastered by yours truly. After a week of listening to them, i noticed a couple of stuff that needs to be adjusted and even re-record. But yeah...feast on them please. I am hoping that the pointers ill get from this process will better the output of the EP itself.

Comments and Criticism are most welcome!!!

Check out the tracks here: https://soundcloud.com/death-becomes-me/sets/dbm_pre_release (free Downloads din)

Thanks!!!! :razz:

IMO more mids lang sa drums for more attack, tapos ok na!  :) yung kick medyo touchy preference yan pero sakin lang parang feel ko mas ok pag may click ng konti (attack din).

yung vox siguro up lang ng konti sa mix, para mas in your face  :lol: I like it though, may hangin.
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Re: Home Recording (Bedroom Players)
« Reply #584 on: September 04, 2015, 12:59:31 PM »
ako may question. i suspect kase na adik ata ako sa tunog ng hihat (although hindi naman ako drummer) and i don't own proper monitors.

supposing na na-mixdown mo na lahat (with compression/brickwall limiter & everything), and if you were to SOLO the hihat, how loud should it be?

'it depends' and 'its all relative' answers are anticipated, pero i'm looking for ballpark estimates and personal preferences (in dB sana).

either my hearing has a 15 khz dip (old age?) or i really have to get studio monitors.
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« Reply #585 on: September 04, 2015, 01:05:31 PM »
ako may question. i suspect kase na adik ata ako sa tunog ng hihat (although hindi naman ako drummer) and i don't own proper monitors.

supposing na na-mixdown mo na lahat (with compression/brickwall limiter & everything), and if you were to SOLO the hihat, how loud should it be?

'it depends' and 'its all relative' answers are anticipated, pero i'm looking for ballpark estimates and personal preferences (in dB sana).

either my hearing has a 15 khz dip (old age) or i really have to get studio monitors.

louder than the ride but not louder than the kick or snare. I can't make a call  on a solo'd hi hat and give a db measure because db is relative.
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« Reply #586 on: September 04, 2015, 01:28:02 PM »
louder than the ride but not louder than the kick or snare. I can't make a call  on a solo'd hi hat and give a db measure because db is relative.

yup ganyan din type ko (louder than ride cymbal). my nephew once complained that the stompbox preset i chose was too bright daw during a guitar lesson, so baka nga humina pandinig ko sa high frequencies.

personal preference niyo ulit: ano target average RMS niyo (assuming na drums are present throughout the song)?

if i recall correctly (doubtful), karen carpenter songs are around -20 dB, GNR (appetite for destruction) around -15 dB, and first britney spears hit is around -12 dB.

i don't respect the EU standards (-18 db ba yun?) pero i also don't subscribe to 'volume wars part 2'. pag sa film kase annoying yung bumubulong yung bida sabay biglang may malakas na sabog. kainis.
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Re: Home Recording (Bedroom Players)
« Reply #587 on: September 04, 2015, 02:56:24 PM »
Rule of thumb sa recording ng drums, snare at kick lang ang malakas. yung hihat, unless may complicated pattern na ginagawa ang drummer (ala dave matthews/carter beauford), mahinang mahina lang lalo na kung puro wash.
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« Reply #588 on: September 04, 2015, 03:09:52 PM »
Rule of thumb sa recording ng drums, snare at kick lang ang malakas. yung hihat, unless may complicated pattern na ginagawa ang drummer (ala dave matthews/carter beauford), mahinang mahina lang lalo na kung puro wash.

isama mo na rin si jb leonor (the dawn), mahilig sa 16 beat, signature eh  :-D

hmm tuloy napaisip ako kung anu-anong drum sounds ang mga nagustuhan ko. oo type ko nga tunog nung sa dave matthews, chaka drummer ng primus. type ko rin tunog ng drums ng simple minds (he he he hey!).
 
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« Reply #589 on: September 04, 2015, 06:07:33 PM »
yup ganyan din type ko (louder than ride cymbal). my nephew once complained that the stompbox preset i chose was too bright daw during a guitar lesson, so baka nga humina pandinig ko sa high frequencies.

personal preference niyo ulit: ano target average RMS niyo (assuming na drums are present throughout the song)?

if i recall correctly (doubtful), karen carpenter songs are around -20 dB, GNR (appetite for destruction) around -15 dB, and first britney spears hit is around -12 dB.

i don't respect the EU standards (-18 db ba yun?) pero i also don't subscribe to 'volume wars part 2'. pag sa film kase annoying yung bumubulong yung bida sabay biglang may malakas na sabog. kainis.

meron ako nabasa sa library dati (whoaaahhh hahaha) galing sa libro ni Bob Katz. Tawag nya dun yung K-system. Bale yung speakers nya naka-calibrate na mag-out ng 83dB SPL at 0db where 0dB is either 20, 14, or 12 dB below full scale. They're called K-20, K-14, and K-12 respectively. yung K-14 for music, K-12 for broadcast, tapos yung K-20 for film and audiophile. The end goal is that at 0dB, naaabot mo yung "ideal" loudness which based on the research of THX or Dolby I can't recall, is not too loud and not too soft. then because 0dB is actually a reference point rather than when a digital signal starts to clip like 0dBFS, it gives you 20db, 14 db and 12db headroom for the three K-system scales.

I recall Sugarfree's Tala-Arawan is a really quiet record, maybe you can reference that. UdD's Capacities is also loud enough but not hot. As for foreign records, may nagleak/ripped na copy ng Death Magnetic na ginamit ata sa guitar hero or some game tapos maganda yung master nya, yung nasa CD release yung hot record.

madaya yung drums ni Carter Beauford naka close mic din yung ride  :lol:
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Re: Home Recording (Bedroom Players)
« Reply #590 on: September 05, 2015, 04:07:09 PM »
meron ako nabasa sa library dati (whoaaahhh hahaha) galing sa libro ni Bob Katz. Tawag nya dun yung K-system. Bale yung speakers nya naka-calibrate na mag-out ng 83dB SPL at 0db where 0dB is either 20, 14, or 12 dB below full scale. They're called K-20, K-14, and K-12 respectively. yung K-14 for music, K-12 for broadcast, tapos yung K-20 for film and audiophile. The end goal is that at 0dB, naaabot mo yung "ideal" loudness which based on the research of THX or Dolby I can't recall, is not too loud and not too soft. then because 0dB is actually a reference point rather than when a digital signal starts to clip like 0dBFS, it gives you 20db, 14 db and 12db headroom for the three K-system scales.

I recall Sugarfree's Tala-Arawan is a really quiet record, maybe you can reference that. UdD's Capacities is also loud enough but not hot. As for foreign records, may nagleak/ripped na copy ng Death Magnetic na ginamit ata sa guitar hero or some game tapos maganda yung master nya, yung nasa CD release yung hot record.

madaya yung drums ni Carter Beauford naka close mic din yung ride  :lol:

Like ramdam mo yung sizzle pero di ka maiirita kasi di balanced yung mix.
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Re: Home Recording (Bedroom Players)
« Reply #591 on: September 06, 2015, 12:43:07 AM »
Hello friends! Just finished uploading the 3 pre-released tracks for the upcoming EP of my Project. They are Mixed and Mastered by yours truly. After a week of listening to them, i noticed a couple of stuff that needs to be adjusted and even re-record. But yeah...feast on them please. I am hoping that the pointers ill get from this process will better the output of the EP itself.

Comments and Criticism are most welcome!!!

Check out the tracks here: https://soundcloud.com/death-becomes-me/sets/dbm_pre_release (free Downloads din)

Thanks!!!! :razz:
These are the things I noticed for the track The Lesser Evil:
1. Medyo mas angat in terms of volume yun rhythm guitar sa left speaker. Siguro boost the mids just a bit of the guitar in the right channel.
2. Additional "click" sa kick, less sa "boomy" sound.
3. I like the snare sound
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Re: Home Recording (Bedroom Players)
« Reply #592 on: September 06, 2015, 12:46:27 AM »

IMO more mids lang sa drums for more attack, tapos ok na!  :) yung kick medyo touchy preference yan pero sakin lang parang feel ko mas ok pag may click ng konti (attack din).

yung vox siguro up lang ng konti sa mix, para mas in your face  :lol: I like it though, may hangin.

Salamat sa response sir!!! Noted!

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« Reply #593 on: September 06, 2015, 12:48:42 AM »

These are the things I noticed for the track The Lesser Evil:
1. Medyo mas angat in terms of volume yun rhythm guitar sa left speaker. Siguro boost the mids just a bit of the guitar in the right channel.
2. Additional "click" sa kick, less sa "boomy" sound.
3. I like the snare sound

Copy sir! Noted! Yup napansin ko din yung boom ng kick drum. Salamat po sa suggestion!

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« Reply #594 on: September 07, 2015, 09:07:07 AM »
These are the things I noticed for the track The Lesser Evil:
1. Medyo mas angat in terms of volume yun rhythm guitar sa left speaker. Siguro boost the mids just a bit of the guitar in the right channel.
2. Additional "click" sa kick, less sa "boomy" sound.
3. I like the snare sound

Di na pantay yung hearing ng mga tenga ko kaya diko na napansin yung disbalanse nung volume ng rhythm guitar  :-(
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« Reply #595 on: September 29, 2015, 08:46:45 AM »
Been a while since someone posted here. Buhayin natin.

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Recorded using the pinoy-made Angry Fishbol distortion. Used the 2 voicings of the pedal left and right. Not sure if I'm doing him disservice though.  :-D

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« Reply #596 on: September 29, 2015, 12:29:06 PM »
Been a while since someone posted here. Buhayin natin.

https://soundcloud.com/redmjay/snake-without-fangs

Recorded using the pinoy-made Angry Fishbol distortion. Used the 2 voicings of the pedal left and right. Not sure if I'm doing him disservice though.  :-D

Did you use compressor on the final mix? Your sound is so "crushed"
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« Reply #597 on: September 29, 2015, 01:36:07 PM »
Did you use compressor on the final mix? Your sound is so "crushed"

Uy feedback. Hehe nice to see one.  :-D no compresor. No mixing done as well. Everything is raw. Recorded in Garage Band. Drums - finger drums, Bass - touch bass, Guitars - IRIG Pro using Amp Sim ng Garage Band, Vocals - Ipad Mic only  :-D

Didn't even merge the track. It lost a lot of high EQ when it got converted to a compressed format.

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« Reply #598 on: September 29, 2015, 02:38:37 PM »
Did you use compressor on the final mix? Your sound is so "crushed"

Didn't even merge the track. It lost a lot of high EQ when it got converted to a compressed format.

feeling ko magkaiba ang tinutukoy nito.

coy_2cute: compression used on final mix like a brickwall limiter (compressed ang dynamic range/levels).

jgmredor: compression as in reduce file size/bitrate per second as with lossy audio codecs (mp3).
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« Reply #599 on: September 29, 2015, 02:52:13 PM »
feeling ko magkaiba ang tinutukoy nito.

coy_2cute: compression used on final mix like a brickwall limiter (compressed ang dynamic range/levels).

jgmredor: compression as in reduce file size/bitrate per second as with lossy audio codecs (mp3).

I'm guessing baka may automatic dynamic range compression sa GarageBand dahil sa iPad ginamit. Hula lang naman, dahil sigurado hindi ganun kaganda yung gain control sa mga built-in preamps ng mobile device.
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