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The Musician Forums => Guitar Central => Topic started by: randymarsh on January 28, 2013, 07:27:34 AM
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Yes folks. You heard me right. Yan ang na-eexperience namin ngayon dito sa Sydney. Just a few months ago, a major music shop chain "Allans and Billy Hyde" was foreclosed due to financial problems. Jackson's Rare Guitars, one of the best vintage/hi end guitar shop here in Sydney is also now closed.
When I arrive here in 2007, guitar shops agad ang hinanap ko and there were plenty around the CBD and Annandale area. Though prices are more expensive than US/Canada prices (a new Fender American Deluxe Tele is $1700 in the US while the negotiable price tag here is $2400), there's a wide selection of guitars, amps and gadgets you can choose from.
Now all that is left are smaller guitar stores. They don't stock high end equipment but rather cheap epiphones, squires, ibanez and the likes. Kung meron mang mamahaling gitara, you can look but not try it. These shops don't have much customers even on weekends but most of their sales are done online, thru ebay or other websites.
The Australian economy is doing much better than the US nowadays. Before the exchange rate was about 90 AU cents to an American dollar, today it's the other way around. I think the Philippine peso is rallying towards a better exchange rate against the dollar. A lot of Aussies would rather buy from the US and wait for a couple of weeks than go to a local music store due to the savings of buying online.
I think these are the signs
- We'll have to rely on other people for reviews and demo videos over the internet
- Fewer local music shops if not none, though stocks will be limited or per order basis
- If you want a high quality instrument, you'll have to trust the description and photos posted online by the seller
- You cannot test the guitar in the shop unless you are a valued customer or known personality
- Cheap and fake/imitation guitars will be wide spread (this is already happening)
- Resale value of guitars will go down drastically even for high end ones
I'm glad that music stores in the Philippines still stock better equipment but in a few years time we will follow other countries. Sulit, ebay.ph and the classifieds here are the starting point. Once we pinoys are comfortable with online trading/use of credit card, we will follow suit.
news link
http://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/music/strings-attached-as-guitar-store-goes-under-20121217-2bjai.html
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LOL. It's already happening here. Ang daming nagfe-feeling negosyante dito pero di naman registered sa DTI/SEC. Inaamag na yung mga pedals sa mga tindahan ng JB, Yupangco at Audiophile.
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LOL. It's already happening here. Ang daming nagfe-feeling negosyante dito pero di naman registered sa DTI/SEC. Inaamag na yung mga pedals sa mga tindahan ng JB, Yupangco at Audiophile.
Last December nagpunta ako ng Audiophile Mandaluyong. At least meron silang JS and JEM on display. Dito bihira na ako makakita ng JEM na nakadisplay, lalo na Gibson, Suhr, etc. Parang may hoarding nga ng Gibson LPs dito.
I think oversaturated na ang guitar market at yung ratio ng guitars vs owners.
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Ang daming nagfe-feeling negosyante dito pero di naman registered sa DTI/SEC.
Hahaha... Right on the money!! :-D
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Masyadong generous kasi si Mr Jim Ayson. Kung ako sa kanya, I'd be making profit for the classifieds section. Kung sa ibang bansa lang to, we will be paying 50 pesos just to get an ad in classifieds back to the first page.
Wala pa kasing concrete laws para sa online trading. Kawawa naman yung mga staff ng guitar shops kung hindi sustainable ang business.
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LOL. It's already happening here. Ang daming nagfe-feeling negosyante dito pero di naman registered sa DTI/SEC. Inaamag na yung mga pedals sa mga tindahan ng JB, Yupangco at Audiophile.
True.
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LOL. It's already happening here. Ang daming nagfe-feeling negosyante dito pero di naman registered sa DTI/SEC. Inaamag na yung mga pedals sa mga tindahan ng JB, Yupangco at Audiophile.
Aye. Lumalabas pa kasi mas mura if over the net ka bibili. Ano ba naman ang 2 to 4 weeks wait time. Win-win sitch din sa buyer and shipper.
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Siyempre kung saan ang mura dun ang tao...
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Aye. Lumalabas pa kasi mas mura if over the net ka bibili. Ano ba naman ang 2 to 4 weeks wait time. Win-win sitch din sa buyer and shipper.
yes, but not all the time win win, example korg pitchblack tuner - it retails before sa mga resellers dito 3k plus to 4k the most eh ngayon sa Audiophile 2,8k plus nlang srp. Artec pedals nung wala pa sa pinas umaabot din ng 4k sa mga resellers dito.
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good insights sir.
interesting read. thanks!
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yes, but not all the time win win, example korg pitchblack tuner - it retails before sa mga resellers dito 3k plus to 4k the most eh ngayon sa Audiophile 2,8k plus nlang srp. Artec pedals nung wala pa sa pinas umaabot din ng 4k sa mga resellers dito.
Yeah, but that was before the prices went down - before the units' origin changed to Vietnam. Assuming that the Pithblack before was 2.8k, and assuming that the market knew that SRP locally, they wouldn't opt to buy overseas. Plus, the shippers are in a business. Di sila papayag kung breakeven lang or worse, malulugi. Still a win-win.
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Siyempre kung saan ang mura dun ang tao...
tama :)
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I'm guilty of trying out in stores then buying in the internet because of the price. :wink:
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May mga tao kasing di makapaghintay ng 2-4 weeks kaya kung meron naman locally at maganda ang nai-offer na deal go na. Ako yun hehehe! :-D Pero ang laban dito is yung warranty pag locally ka bumili.
I love both online and local music stores. Para sa akin sana walang mawala sa kanila. Iba pa rin kasi yung masususbukan mo yung unit bago mo bilhin e.
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May mga tao kasing di makapaghintay ng 2-4 weeks kaya kung meron naman locally at maganda ang nai-offer na deal go na. Ako yun hehehe! :-D Pero ang laban dito is yung warranty pag locally ka bumili.
I love both online and local music stores. Para sa akin sana walang mawala sa kanila. Iba pa rin kasi yung masususbukan mo yung unit bago mo bilhin e.
when it comes to guitars, mas gusto ko matry ko muna bago ako magdecide to purchase.
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Yes folks. You heard me right. Yan ang na-eexperience namin ngayon dito sa Sydney. Just a few months ago, a major music shop chain "Allans and Billy Hyde" was foreclosed due to financial problems. Jackson's Rare Guitars, one of the best vintage/hi end guitar shop here in Sydney is also now closed.
So sorry to hear that.
Just over a year ago (Oct 2011) i got to visit Melbourne and was on Allans Music twice. Such a big store with every musical instruments you can imagine. But on the 2 occasions i was there for over 2 hours, i think they have only sold 1 MI Audio Neo Fuzz (me).
There were even very few walk-ins.
Even GC's in the U.S have very few customers coming in. It must be their internet sales that is keeping them alive.
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yeah, the best padin pag masusubukan mo yung Guitar, iba iba kasi ang feel, and you cant take anyone;'s word for it when it comes to a guitar's playability. Iba iba tayo eh.
Nakaklungkot naman yung mga nag sara na music stores sa AU, pwede rin na ang ikinaluge nila ay ang pag papasok ng mamahaling mga guitars pero wala namang bumibili. pansinin nyo sa mga local music stores, puro Low - Mid end guitars lang. Pinakamahal na ang mga US standrads and some Signature series guitars. walang custom shop level na naka display. Patay kasi ang pera dun eh
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Yes folks. You heard me right. Yan ang na-eexperience namin ngayon dito sa Sydney. Just a few months ago, a major music shop chain "Allans and Billy Hyde" was foreclosed due to financial problems. Jackson's Rare Guitars, one of the best vintage/hi end guitar shop here in Sydney is also now closed.
When I arrive here in 2007, guitar shops agad ang hinanap ko and there were plenty around the CBD and Annandale area. Though prices are more expensive than US/Canada prices (a new Fender American Deluxe Tele is $1700 in the US while the negotiable price tag here is $2400), there's a wide selection of guitars, amps and gadgets you can choose from.
Now all that is left are smaller guitar stores. They don't stock high end equipment but rather cheap epiphones, squires, ibanez and the likes. Kung meron mang mamahaling gitara, you can look but not try it. These shops don't have much customers even on weekends but most of their sales are done online, thru ebay or other websites.
The Australian economy is doing much better than the US nowadays. Before the exchange rate was about 90 AU cents to an American dollar, today it's the other way around. I think the Philippine peso is rallying towards a better exchange rate against the dollar. A lot of Aussies would rather buy from the US and wait for a couple of weeks than go to a local music store due to the savings of buying online.
I think these are the signs
- We'll have to rely on other people for reviews and demo videos over the internet
- Fewer local music shops if not none, though stocks will be limited or per order basis
- If you want a high quality instrument, you'll have to trust the description and photos posted online by the seller
- You cannot test the guitar in the shop unless you are a valued customer or known personality
- Cheap and fake/imitation guitars will be wide spread (this is already happening)
- Resale value of guitars will go down drastically even for high end ones
I'm glad that music stores in the Philippines still stock better equipment but in a few years time we will follow other countries. Sulit, ebay.ph and the classifieds here are the starting point. Once we pinoys are comfortable with online trading/use of credit card, we will follow suit.
news link
http://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/music/strings-attached-as-guitar-store-goes-under-20121217-2bjai.html
Is that the same as Allan's Music Store?!? Yan ba yung sa may Pitt Street and malapit sa Pitt Street Mall? I was in Sydney back in '07 also and yan rin yung unang music store na napuntahan ko sa Sydney. Nakakalungkot naman ito.... :-(
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this is the inevitable by-product of technology. sooner or later, yung mga tasks na kayang maaccomplish through the use of advanced technology eh ipphase-out na ang manual labor.
however, since tangible goods ang product, ang tumitiba ay ang shipping/logistics industry. kasi kung hindi satisfied, isasauli. gagasta para sa shipping ulit.
in short, people are paying for convenience. instead of travelling to the store, they order online. anyway, they get free shipping and if they dont like the thing, they can get their money back through refund kahit na may bawas na restocking fee or shipping cost na shouldered nila.
you save on rent and a lot of overhead costs. all you need is a warehouse and some people to move things around.
inevitable tlga. this is because we operate within the moneytary system.
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I hope the increasing market share of online music gear sellers drives down the SRP of products being sold in music stores here in the Philippines. Most of us won't rely on the online sellers if the difference in price compared to the music stores is negligible.
The ability to test items before purchasing, the in-store warranty and the elimination of risk of non-delivery would definitely be worth the premium.
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Kung nasa stores nga lang yung hinahanap ko eh, dun ako bibili eh. Pero wala eh. And I'm more into the 2nd hand market. Kung makakita man ako ng used item sa store, waaay overpriced. So, online ang resort ko.
Nagebenta din naman ang mga music stores online diba?
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I hope the increasing market share of online music gear sellers drives down the SRP of products being sold in music stores here in the Philippines. Most of us won't rely on the online sellers if the difference in price compared to the music stores is negligible.
The ability to test items before purchasing, the in-store warranty and the elimination of risk of non-delivery would definitely be worth the premium.
tama. kahit mga 25% - 30% lang ang ibaba ng presyo, tubo padin naman siguro sila doon.
If i were to operate a full scale music store chain, hindi na ako kukuha ng madaming pwesto, 3-4 branches lang sa metro manila then ONLINE na ang bentahan, then makikipag kaibigan ako sa madaming musikero para SMOOTH at mag karoon ng RAPPORT sa mga end users. At isa pa, hindi ako kukuha ng staff na mas mayabang pa saakin, yun ang nakaka sira din kung bakit ayaw na mag effort ng mga tao pumunta sa music store, teka OT na. hehe
Kung nasa stores nga lang yung hinahanap ko eh, dun ako bibili eh. Pero wala eh. And I'm more into the 2nd hand market. Kung makakita man ako ng used item sa store, waaay overpriced. So, online ang resort ko.
Nagebenta din naman ang mga music stores online diba?
GAS god. :mrgreen:
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Siyempre kung saan ang mura dun ang tao...
kung saan mura na may kalidad :)
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adapt or die.
guitar center and sam-ash didn't start out as the online musical instrument retailer that they are know today. both started as physical stores. they just adapted as time passed, to the new trends in selling musical instuments. you really can't blame the consumers coz they'll always go where they can get the maximum value for their hard-earned peso.
nakakapagtaka lang sa mga major retailers natin, bakit di sila mag umpisa sa online retailing? mahirap ba gumawa at mag maintain ng site kagaya ng musiciansfriend (with the convenience of credit card payment and shipping) ? panigurado marami silang mahahanap na tao na kayang gawin yung ganun, at kung sa online shop na, mababawasan na yung overhead cost nila, mababawasan din SRP ng mga binebenta nila. yung sound essentials, medyo naguumpisa na, tingnan nyo yung concierge service nila
http://www.sound-essentials.com/concierge.html
pero sana yung full e-commerce site.
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^ Agree. Siguro kulang sa research? Pero hindi rin. Evident naman na may market talaga sa online retailing. Yung pag execute siguro ang problema/mahirap(?)
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adapt or die.
guitar center and sam-ash didn't start out as the online musical instrument retailer that they are know today. both started as physical stores. they just adapted as time passed, to the new trends in selling musical instuments. you really can't blame the consumers coz they'll always go where they can get the maximum value for their hard-earned peso.
nakakapagtaka lang sa mga major retailers natin, bakit di sila mag umpisa sa online retailing? mahirap ba gumawa at mag maintain ng site kagaya ng musiciansfriend (with the convenience of credit card payment and shipping) ? panigurado marami silang mahahanap na tao na kayang gawin yung ganun, at kung sa online shop na, mababawasan na yung overhead cost nila, mababawasan din SRP ng mga binebenta nila. yung sound essentials, medyo naguumpisa na, tingnan nyo yung concierge service nila
http://www.sound-essentials.com/concierge.html
pero sana yung full e-commerce site.
TAMA! At dapat hanapin nila ako at ako na bahala.. DAPAT ako ang gagawa ng website nila haha...
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adapt or die.
This.
The rules have already changed with the advent of the internet. So, if you're still living in the Industrial Age process of setting up your business, you're in trouble. It's not that 'grey marketers' are bypassing the government by-laws, anyway. It's just that, that's the way how commercialism in THE Information Age has sprawled since Windows '95.
But, there really are some (usually hypocrites) who'd still want to shove to our throats the Industrial Age thought of procuring our acquisitions. They scoff on grey marketers. Yet, you see their pedalboards & instrument racks are sporting a heavily boutique setup. Stuff that you won't find on any commercial stalls such as JB & Yupango. Then, you ask yourself, how'd they get that? Was it done through another middle-man (read: grey marketer)? Didn't they themselves avoid local government tax by procuring the item themselves. ...if tax is the simple issue. Then we have to realize that there's a difference between Tax Evasion & Tax Avoidance. Even the government & politicians themselves have two sets of 'books' for their financial reports.
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^ Agree. Siguro kulang sa research? Pero hindi rin. Evident naman na may market talaga sa online retailing. Yung pag execute siguro ang problema/mahirap(?)
nope, dinosaurs lang yung may may-ari/decision makers. i'm sure internet savvy ang staff nila as evidenced by various philmusic members that are working for those stores. or hindi pa na present ng maayos yan, just give those power-brokers an in-depth study with "ka-ching" as your conclusion and i'm sure they'll go with the online model.
TAMA! At dapat hanapin nila ako at ako na bahala.. DAPAT ako ang gagawa ng website nila haha...
tama!
This.
The rules have already changed with the advent of the internet. So, if you're still living in the Industrial Age process of setting up your business, you're in trouble. It's not that 'grey marketers' are bypassing the government by-laws, anyway. It's just that, that's the way how commercialism in THE Information Age has sprawled since Windows '95.
But, there really are some (usually hypocrites) who'd still want to shove to our throats the Industrial Age thought of procuring our acquisitions. They scoff on grey marketers. Yet, you see their pedalboards & instrument racks are sporting a heavily boutique setup. Stuff that you won't find on any commercial stalls such as JB & Yupango. Then, you ask yourself, how'd they get that? Was it done through another middle-man (read: grey marketer)? Didn't they themselves avoid local government tax by procuring the item themselves. ...if tax is the simple issue. Then we have to realize that there's a difference between Tax Evasion & Tax Avoidance. Even the government & politicians themselves have two sets of 'books' for their financial reports.
actually matagal na yang storefront-less model ng pagbenta ng musical instruments. Carvin has been doing it that way ever since, mail order pa. nag iba lang ang medium ngayon dahil internet na, dati catalog/phone ordering. hindi ko talaga gets yung reluctance ng mga stores na mag shift sa online retail, ang mura na ng rates ng LBC ngayon sobrang ok pa ang service and i'm sure kaya nila makipag tie-up sa mga delivery companies for even cheaper rates kung kagaya ka ng JB/Yupangco.
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On the other hand, maganda namang may mga gumagawa ng effort magdala ng mga produkto locally kahit small-scale lang ang operations. Pero wag naman yung bastusan na tipong produkto ng may produkto eh nakikisawsaw pa yung mga ibang importer. Okay lang sana kung yung mga produkto eh walang local representation (e.g. Empress effects, Menatone, Moody's Straps, ADA, etc. wala pang nagdadala ng mga to locally), pero hindi ganun ang nangyayari e. May mga nakikita pa ako paminsan na nagbebenta rin ng Pedaltrain kahit malinaw naman na EpicTone lang ang lisensyado magbenta ng Pedaltrain products dito sa Pilipinas. Meron din namang nagbebenta ng TC Electronic products na galing sa Amazon, eBay o kung saan mang online store kahit JB Music naman ang official local distributor. Kung ayaw ng consumer bumili sa mga local distributor dahil sa presyo, mas maganda pang bumili na lang yung mga consumer straight from the Internet kaysa sa dumaan pa sa mga di official na nagbebenta.
A good way to analyze this is to imagine being the official dealer of the brands that other people are importing. Anong mararamdaman ninyo kung ang produkto na pinag-ubusan ninyo ng panahon at pinaggastusan ninyong makuhanan ng distributorship, i-import, i-market at bilhan ng stocks eh nilalako lang ng ibang colorum na tindero sa presyong mababa sa profitable price point nyo? Basta makalamang lang at kumita, magbebenta pa rin nang magbebenta tong mga to. Ang Pinoy modo at etiketa nga naman talaga o.
My stand is that I am against exclusive distributorship of music equipment products in the Philippines because it is anti-competitive and is anti-consumer due to price monopoly. BUT, if other people want to keep the major distributors honest with their prices, at least gawin naman nilang official yung pagcompete by making their businesses legitimate thru SEC/DTI/BIR and being official co-distributors of products that they want to sell. WALANG WARRANTY ang mga item na binili sa colorum na tindero, so a good starting point is to compete with the current distributors not just in PRICING but also in QUALITY OF SERVICE and AFTER-SALES SUPPORT.
Sa mga tatamaan, wag sana kayo ma-offend. Mas maganda lang kung legal ang trabaho para hindi kayo mayari ng BIR pag nag-crackdown na sila sa small-scale importers.
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yes, but not all the time win win, example korg pitchblack tuner - it retails before sa mga resellers dito 3k plus to 4k the most eh ngayon sa Audiophile 2,8k plus nlang srp. Artec pedals nung wala pa sa pinas umaabot din ng 4k sa mga resellers dito.
During those time bro, ang presyo ng AP sa pitchblack ay almost 4k din.. kaya yung 3k na bentahan dati ay mura na.. lately na lang sila nag price drop sa Pitchblack ng 2.8k..
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During those time bro, ang presyo ng AP sa pitchblack ay almost 4k din.. kaya yung 3k na bentahan dati ay mura na.. lately na lang sila nag price drop sa Pitchblack ng 2.8k..
i'm just pointing out na it's not always win win meaning it's not always cheaper to buy it through online resellers, just sighted out an example sa pricing( my bad for that kinda wrong details) i know na di 2,8k ang srp nya dati sa AP in fact it's 3,8k when me and my hubby bought it 4 yrs. ago in AP Festival. But we did ask for a quotation from of a well-known reseller here sa PM and ang price nya is 4,5k. i hope you get my point na it's not always win-win. I mean we're not pro local music store, We also look for better deals online as well. :) peace
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On the other hand, maganda namang may mga gumagawa ng effort magdala ng mga produkto locally kahit small-scale lang ang operations. Pero wag naman yung bastusan na tipong produkto ng may produkto eh nakikisawsaw pa yung mga ibang importer. Okay lang sana kung yung mga produkto eh walang local representation (e.g. Empress effects, Menatone, Moody's Straps, ADA, etc. wala pang nagdadala ng mga to locally), pero hindi ganun ang nangyayari e. May mga nakikita pa ako paminsan na nagbebenta rin ng Pedaltrain kahit malinaw naman na EpicTone lang ang lisensyado magbenta ng Pedaltrain products dito sa Pilipinas. Meron din namang nagbebenta ng TC Electronic products na galing sa Amazon, eBay o kung saan mang online store kahit JB Music naman ang official local distributor. Kung ayaw ng consumer bumili sa mga local distributor dahil sa presyo, mas maganda pang bumili na lang yung mga consumer straight from the Internet kaysa sa dumaan pa sa mga di official na nagbebenta.
Well.. those authorized dealers should also do their part well, lalo na at authorized sila.. Pre-order and air freight items should arrive at the expected dates and not take too long, otherwise, mapipilitan yung consumer na maghanap ng ibang source na mas reliable.
With regards to prices, alam naman natin na ang mahal sa JB.. kaya natuturn off ang ibang "educated" sa price at naghahanap ng ibang means na maka-acquire.. Now, not all of them (or us) have the capability to buy straight from the internet, that's why idadaan nalang namin sa iba.
Much like cooking hotdog for breakfast and going to some tapsilog karinderya.. Madali lang magluto ng hotdog para sa iba, pero para dun sa ilan na ayaw mahassle sa pagbili ng hilaw na hotdog, bibili nalang sila sa karinderya kahit may konting patong.. In the end, you still get a cooked hotdog.
A good way to analyze this is to imagine being the official dealer of the brands that other people are importing. Anong mararamdaman ninyo kung ang produkto na pinag-ubusan ninyo ng panahon at pinaggastusan ninyong makuhanan ng distributorship, i-import, i-market at bilhan ng stocks eh nilalako lang ng ibang colorum na tindero sa presyong mababa sa profitable price point nyo? Basta makalamang lang at kumita, magbebenta pa rin nang magbebenta tong mga to. Ang Pinoy modo at etiketa nga naman talaga o.
Hehehe.. Competition eh.. Kung saan mas mura, kalimitan doon talaga ang punta.. Being the dealer, dapat sila mas may control sa prices.. for sure nakukuha nila yan ng mas mas mas mas mura kaysa sa nakikita nating online price, authorized dealer sila eh.. So if they want to keep up, siguro dapat maging competitive sila.. What's the R&D for? Dapat nakikita na nila yan..
I can't speak enough for ethics.. pero kasi, minsan yung consumer din naman talaga ang lumalapit dun sa importer para mag-ask ng isang particular item.. ang gagawin lang ng importer ay oorderin.
My stand is that I am against exclusive distributorship of music equipment products in the Philippines because it is anti-competitive and is anti-consumer due to price monopoly. BUT, if other people want to keep the major distributors honest with their prices, at least gawin naman nilang official yung pagcompete by making their businesses legitimate thru SEC/DTI/BIR and being official co-distributors of products that they want to sell. WALANG WARRANTY ang mga item na binili sa colorum na tindero, so a good starting point is to compete with the current distributors not just in PRICING but also in QUALITY OF SERVICE and AFTER-SALES SUPPORT.
In time siguro.. mahirap naman na starting business ka pa lang, wala ka pa masyadong tinutubo sa benta eh magbabayad na agad ng tax.. Ano naman yun diba? Nag business ka pa kung yung net income ay pupunta lang sa tax..
May iba namang registered.. pero yung iba, baka naman nagsisimula pa lang talaga..
As for warranty.. ang bilis ng turnaround ng items.. di pa tapos warranty, nasa ads na (lalo na for small items).. So some people could not care less with regards to warranty.. and mindset din ay "kilala" na yung brand kaya may peace of mind na may kalidad yung produkto.. hassle na lang sa part nila pag biglang nasira.. Kung gitara naman, wala namang warranty mga gitara sa stores eh..
Then again.. minsan nga hassle pa yung warranty ng stores eh.. peperahan ka lang sa parts, wait time, travel cost (sa pagdadala sa main repair branch), etc.. Most of the time nga hindi nila gamay yung produkto nila.. So where does the quality of service and after sales support come to play? hehe..
Sa mga tatamaan, wag sana kayo ma-offend. Mas maganda lang kung legal ang trabaho para hindi kayo mayari ng BIR pag nag-crackdown na sila sa small-scale importers.
All posted replies were just my opinions. :-) Maganda kung legal.. pero para dun sa mga legal na, ayus-ayusin naman nila ang trabaho.
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i'm just pointing out na it's not always win win meaning it's not always cheaper to buy it through online resellers, just sighted out an example sa pricing( my bad for that kinda wrong details) i know na di 2,8k ang srp nya dati sa AP in fact it's 3,8k when me and my hubby bought it 4 yrs. ago in AP Festival. But we did ask for a quotation from of a well-known reseller here sa PM and ang price nya is 4,5k. i hope you get my point na it's not always win-win. I mean we're not pro local music store, We also look for better deals online as well. :) peace
No worries bro. :-) in all honestly, I think Audiophile has a fair pricing. Ngayong nag price drop sila ng pitchblack, mas mahirap na silang tapatan.
Shippers will just price it according sa internet price + shipping cost + patong... Nagkakataon lang talaga minsan na mas mataas ang patong ng local stores kaya nagiging mas mura yung pinapaquote from shippers despite the shipping cost and patong..
Peace. :-)
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Dapat mkpag tie up sla n rin sa lazada hehe
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-sometimes there are items not carried by our local guitar shops and the only way to get them is to purchase them online...
-most of the time, items in our local guitar shops are not updated (old models, sometimes discontinued) / you may sometimes get rusty strings if you are unlucky
-sometimes sobrang mahal ng tinda ng local guitar shops <_<
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Well.. those authorized dealers should also do their part well, lalo na at authorized sila.. Pre-order and air freight items should arrive at the expected dates and not take too long, otherwise, mapipilitan yung consumer na maghanap ng ibang source na mas reliable.
With regards to prices, alam naman natin na ang mahal sa JB.. kaya natuturn off ang ibang "educated" sa price at naghahanap ng ibang means na maka-acquire.. Now, not all of them (or us) have the capability to buy straight from the internet, that's why idadaan nalang namin sa iba.
Much like cooking hotdog for breakfast and going to some tapsilog karinderya.. Madali lang magluto ng hotdog para sa iba, pero para dun sa ilan na ayaw mahassle sa pagbili ng hilaw na hotdog, bibili nalang sila sa karinderya kahit may konting patong.. In the end, you still get a cooked hotdog.
Wrong analogy, bro. Ang hotdog na hilaw na niluluto ng mga carinderia ay binili lang locally at hindi exclusive gamitin at ibenta ng piling mga tao o kumpanya. At kung yung proseso ng katamaran sa pagluto ng hilaw na hotdog ang pino-point out mo, then it's the cooking service that you're talking about, not the commodity itself (the cooked hotdog). Hindi ganun sa trading. Kung hindi ka legally entitled magbenta ng cooked hotdog, then hindi ka talaga dapat nagbebenta nun. Otherwise, illegal seller ka dahil di ka naman authorized. Madali lang naman ang solution dun: i-register ang negosyo (hindi to mahal, sa totoo lang) at mag-apply sa manufacturer bilang co-distributor. Mas makakalamang pa nga kayo kung gawin nyo nun kasi dealer rates ang makukuha nyo at hindi lang Internet shop rates so hindi problema ang ROI dun.
Hehehe.. Competition eh.. Kung saan mas mura, kalimitan doon talaga ang punta.. Being the dealer, dapat sila mas may control sa prices.. for sure nakukuha nila yan ng mas mas mas mas mura kaysa sa nakikita nating online price, authorized dealer sila eh.. So if they want to keep up, siguro dapat maging competitive sila.. What's the R&D for? Dapat nakikita na nila yan..
I can't speak enough for ethics.. pero kasi, minsan yung consumer din naman talaga ang lumalapit dun sa importer para mag-ask ng isang particular item.. ang gagawin lang ng importer ay oorderin.
Yun na nga, puro presyo at mura lang kasi ang iniisip, wala nang pakialam kung nakakasagasa na ng iba. Yun lang ang sinasabi ko. The independent importers have gotten a free ride on advertising thru PhilMusic, but this is one of the issues that we're currently discussing about.
In time siguro.. mahirap naman na starting business ka pa lang, wala ka pa masyadong tinutubo sa benta eh magbabayad na agad ng tax.. Ano naman yun diba? Nag business ka pa kung yung net income ay pupunta lang sa tax..
May iba namang registered.. pero yung iba, baka naman nagsisimula pa lang talaga..
In time? The last time I checked, requirement ang SEC/DTI registration, business at BIR permit PRIOR to starting business operations. Walang test run test run yun. Kung sa tingin nyo malulugi kayo kung magbayad kayo ng buwis, ang ibig sabihin nun sablay ang business model nyo so magre-tweak kayo ng business model at value chain nyo para ang neto eh kumita pa rin kayo nang maayos after tax. It won't cost you an arm and a leg, bro.
As for warranty.. ang bilis ng turnaround ng items.. di pa tapos warranty, nasa ads na (lalo na for small items).. So some people could not care less with regards to warranty.. and mindset din ay "kilala" na yung brand kaya may peace of mind na may kalidad yung produkto.. hassle na lang sa part nila pag biglang nasira.. Kung gitara naman, wala namang warranty mga gitara sa stores eh..
Then again.. minsan nga hassle pa yung warranty ng stores eh.. peperahan ka lang sa parts, wait time, travel cost (sa pagdadala sa main repair branch), etc.. Most of the time nga hindi nila gamay yung produkto nila.. So where does the quality of service and after sales support come to play? hehe..
Culture na lang yun dito. Pero kung matino kang kumpanya, naturalmente yun na kasama ang after-sales support pag nagbebenta ka ng gamit. Sales din ang trabaho ko kaya alam ko ang value ng after-sales support. In terms of music equipment, pwedeng direct replacement agad yun pag may nasira. Pwede ring libre na ang repair for the duration of the warranty period. Maraming bumibili pa rin ng mga major items tulad ng amp at gitara sa mga major distributors dahil sa after-sales support. Isipin mo na lang kung rehistrado ang business mo, legit distributor ka at may after-sales services kang mas matino kaysa sa ino-offer nung mga ibang kumpanya? That's the time na mapapaisip sila na kailangan na nilang ayus-ayusin ang presyo at serbisyo nila.
Pero oo, agree ako na medyo walang kwenta ang after-sales support ng mga major distributors pag gitara ang item.
All posted replies were just my opinions. :-) Maganda kung legal.. pero para dun sa mga legal na, ayus-ayusin naman nila ang trabaho.
Agreed. Nakikita naman natin ang mga sablay nung mga big boys at may opportunity naman tayo para higitan yun. Kaya sa mga maliliit na negosyo, ayus-ayusin na rin sana yung mga basics tulad ng business registration para makagawa kayo ng impact dito sa industriya. I'm with everyone as far as having more competitive pricing is concerned (e.g. kampeon pa rin yung P25k list price nung TC Electronic Nova Delay sa JB Music, solid sa taga), but we gotta do it the right way.
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On the other hand, maganda namang may mga gumagawa ng effort magdala ng mga produkto locally kahit small-scale lang ang operations. Pero wag naman yung bastusan na tipong produkto ng may produkto eh nakikisawsaw pa yung mga ibang importer. Okay lang sana kung yung mga produkto eh walang local representation (e.g. Empress effects, Menatone, Moody's Straps, ADA, etc. wala pang nagdadala ng mga to locally), pero hindi ganun ang nangyayari e. May mga nakikita pa ako paminsan na nagbebenta rin ng Pedaltrain kahit malinaw naman na EpicTone lang ang lisensyado magbenta ng Pedaltrain products dito sa Pilipinas. Meron din namang nagbebenta ng TC Electronic products na galing sa Amazon, eBay o kung saan mang online store kahit JB Music naman ang official local distributor. Kung ayaw ng consumer bumili sa mga local distributor dahil sa presyo, mas maganda pang bumili na lang yung mga consumer straight from the Internet kaysa sa dumaan pa sa mga di official na nagbebenta.
A good way to analyze this is to imagine being the official dealer of the brands that other people are importing. Anong mararamdaman ninyo kung ang produkto na pinag-ubusan ninyo ng panahon at pinaggastusan ninyong makuhanan ng distributorship, i-import, i-market at bilhan ng stocks eh nilalako lang ng ibang colorum na tindero sa presyong mababa sa profitable price point nyo? Basta makalamang lang at kumita, magbebenta pa rin nang magbebenta tong mga to. Ang Pinoy modo at etiketa nga naman talaga o.
My stand is that I am against exclusive distributorship of music equipment products in the Philippines because it is anti-competitive and is anti-consumer due to price monopoly. BUT, if other people want to keep the major distributors honest with their prices, at least gawin naman nilang official yung pagcompete by making their businesses legitimate thru SEC/DTI/BIR and being official co-distributors of products that they want to sell. WALANG WARRANTY ang mga item na binili sa colorum na tindero, so a good starting point is to compete with the current distributors not just in PRICING but also in QUALITY OF SERVICE and AFTER-SALES SUPPORT.
Sa mga tatamaan, wag sana kayo ma-offend. Mas maganda lang kung legal ang trabaho para hindi kayo mayari ng BIR pag nag-crackdown na sila sa small-scale importers.
went to our municipality's BIR office last Jan. 25 (friday) to inquire about DTI registration since i plan to have one project go full scale na. too bad sa Lipa ko pa daw kelangan magrehistro sa DTI (which is napakalayo from Nasugbu). considering doing the online DTI registration instead. yay or nay?
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went to our municipality's BIR office last Jan. 25 (friday) to inquire about DTI registration since i plan to have one project go full scale na. too bad sa Lipa ko pa daw kelangan magrehistro sa DTI (which is napakalayo from Nasugbu). considering doing the online DTI registration instead. yay or nay?
go for online bro.
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went to our municipality's BIR office last Jan. 25 (friday) to inquire about DTI registration since i plan to have one project go full scale na. too bad sa Lipa ko pa daw kelangan magrehistro sa DTI (which is napakalayo from Nasugbu). considering doing the online DTI registration instead. yay or nay?
Mukhang okay yung online registration, pero personally, mas proven sa akin yung mano-mano registration. I have yet to try the online thing kaya di ko mare-recommend yung online sayo. One-time lang naman yun, paglaanan mo lang ng isang araw. Makakapunta ka naman from Nasugbu to Lipa nang mas mabilis (although hindi pa rin malapit, hehe) via Star Tollway (thru Tagaytay). Pagdating sa BIR naman, maghanap ka lang ng retainer who will do your books, print receipt books and go to the BIR office to pay for your taxes. Mura lang din yun.
Pedal project yan, I assume? Go for it, bro.
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sabagay olats ang websites ng mga government agencies. bago ka pala pumunta alamin mo na din kung saang zone ka under (most probably isa lang yan sa case mo) ako kase nun, sa pasig yung business address kaso nung pumunta ako sa dti office sa tapat ng megamall, pina punta ako sa DTI makati kase dun daw naka zone yung lugar namin. so onting research muna bago bumiyahe para di sayang ang oras. go to entrepreneur.com.ph andaming useful info dun tungkol sa process ng business registration
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yep man. been thinking of releasing one na tipong level-up ba. been working closely with kevin regarding the project and realized had to register na para legal, lalo na sa place namin sinisilip ng mga kapitbahay ang mga "negosyo" ultimo tindahang maliit (when they themselves have kin/friends who arent registered; that's another story). hence medyo na-alarm ako konti when i learned that BIR is going after online sellers; it seems BIR is one step ahead ah hehehe.
by February tapos na siguro registration ko. yung trip to Lipa lang ang medyo pinaghahandaan ko. tamad ako mag-commute eh. delikado naman pag byahe.
hinde. tamad lang talaga ako bumiyahe hehehe.
actually excited ako magbigay ng resibo lol!
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yep man. been thinking of releasing one na tipong level-up ba. been working closely with kevin regarding the project and realized had to register na para legal, lalo na sa place namin sinisilip ng mga kapitbahay ang mga "negosyo" ultimo tindahang maliit (when they themselves have kin/friends who arent registered; that's another story). hence medyo na-alarm ako konti when i learned that BIR is going after online sellers; it seems BIR is one step ahead ah hehehe.
by February tapos na siguro registration ko. yung trip to Lipa lang ang medyo pinaghahandaan ko. tamad ako mag-commute eh. delikado naman pag byahe.
hinde. tamad lang talaga ako bumiyahe hehehe.
actually excited ako magbigay ng resibo lol!
Dalhin naten ke burgs mga pedals mo bro! :)
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Dalhin naten ke burgs mga pedals mo bro! :)
Good luck lang sa video demo fees. I heard (but not confirmed) he charges $50 per hour for all related pedal demo work. This includes setting up the equipment, actual recording of the demo video and post-processing. Hehe.
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Good luck lang sa video demo fees. I heard (but not confirmed) he charges $50 per hour for all related pedal demo work. This includes setting up the equipment, actual recording of the demo video and post-processing. Hehe.
Oo nga eh, medyo mahal daw sumingil. Try ko i-confirm hehe. I can send some his way kung gugustuhin ni ZABFx :-D
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Dalhin naten ke burgs mga pedals mo bro! :)
lulz di na siguro. bukod sa kung anumang fees, parang desperate naman ako kung papadala ko talaga lol! sa ngayon pokus muna sa legal side of things.
nga pala, cutie pie yung BIR person nung town namin (Tuy). parang sarap magbayad ng tax lagi hehehe.
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lulz di na siguro. bukod sa kung anumang fees, parang desperate naman ako kung papadala ko talaga lol! sa ngayon pokus muna sa legal side of things.
nga pala, cutie pie yung BIR person nung town namin (Tuy). parang sarap magbayad ng tax lagi hehehe.
Kabayan! Batangas City ako bro. Ehehe.. wait meron ako tropa na nagtatanong about Zabfx. PM kita. :)
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It's sad to hear Allan's/Billy Hyde Music in trouble. Magkahiwalay pa sila nung nasa Brisbane ako. I bought my Cole Clark there. Medyo mahal kumpara sa Audiophile or even Yupangco in some instances (yes, that's right). But a great store nonetheless. Saan na ako makakabibili nung Kwik Fret pag napadpad ulit ako ng Australia? (Arjin? :wave:)
I knew a lot of physical shops were going to get in trouble the moment more people started bitching, bakit ang mahal niyan, e ganito lang yan sa musiciansfriend.com. But if our local companies are smart enough, I'm sure they will find different ways to move with the times. It's either that or they'll be left behind.
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It's sad to hear Allan's/Billy Hyde Music in trouble. Magkahiwalay pa sila nung nasa Brisbane ako. I bought my Cole Clark there. Medyo mahal kumpara sa Audiophile or even Yupangco in some instances (yes, that's right). But a great store nonetheless. Saan na ako makakabibili nung Kwik Fret pag napadpad ulit ako ng Australia? (Arjin? :wave:)
Yes magkahiwalay sila dati then binili ng Allans Music lahat ng Billy Hyde. Let me check the Kwik Fret, I buy one for you para hindi ka na mahirapan maghanap.
I knew a lot of physical shops were going to get in trouble the moment more people started bitching, bakit ang mahal niyan, e ganito lang yan sa musiciansfriend.com. But if our local companies are smart enough, I'm sure they will find different ways to move with the times. It's either that or they'll be left behind.
Actually yan ang debate dito ng consumers sa ibang forum. Tulad nalang sa groceries dito merong Coles, Woolworths at Aldi's. Cheapest and Aldi's pero they stock no name brands at minimal lang ang employees nila while Woolworths and Coles mas mahal ng konti dahil malaki ang overhead nila. The good thing here in AU is their values towards the working class. The extra dollar paid for an item ensures na ang employees nila is rightfully paid, which is the opposite ng ginagawa ng Aldi's (german owned). I read somewhere that Allan's music supported their employees para makahanap ng ibang work at hindi naman sila makawawa kapag nagsara na yun company.
Sa tingin ko madali lang mag-adapt sa technology. Yung maaapektuhan ng closure/downsize ang mahihirapan.
At nung teenager ako, dalawang reason lang kaya ako pumupunta sa mall. It's either to play video games or to see the nice guitars on display. Kawawa naman yung kabataan kung sa internet nalang sila makakakita ng magandang gamit. :-D
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Good luck lang sa video demo fees. I heard (but not confirmed) he charges $50 per hour for all related pedal demo work. This includes setting up the equipment, actual recording of the demo video and post-processing. Hehe.
100 /hr. :-D
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If we can only build a Guitar Center here. Is that really so haaaaard?
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It's not the music shops. It's our government: 1) ang mahal ng import tax. Gumagastos daw ang yupangco ng millions pag may dumating silang shipment. Ang sound essentials, 40% ang binabayaran nila sa customs. So para kumita sila kelangan mataas ang patong. Kaya lets understand why Mahal sila Magbenta. It is reasonable. 2) nationwide shipping. Sa china, mas mura pag mag ship from makati to qc kaysa mag meetup. Sa lbc 2k ang shipping ng gitara kahit makati to makati. So pano mabubuhay ang online retail dito? Small items siguro pwede pa kaya good job ang lavaza. And it's a vicious cycle. Since madami pa din tao walang tiwala sa online, konti ang volume ng shipments kaya mahal. Yung mga camera saka celfone puro meetups pa din para maka sigurado ang buyer - mrt, malls, etc. Pag nag mature na ang infrastructure natin, online retail can thrive. It's not the registration and tax, hindi sya mahal. And maliit lang ang tax pag less than 1.5 million pesos ang annual gross sales. Its the importation that makes prices so high here. Ganun din sa China and anywhere else - mahal din ang fenders and other US made brands dahil madaming import charges and taxes. Kaya dumadami ang 'made for china domestic market' na products. May BMW 3 and 5 series na made in China only available in China na malaking mura vs made in germany. Since malaki ang market, kaya nila ma sustain. E dito sa Pinas limited ang market for high end stuff kaya better pa din sa online shippers dahil makaka mura ang consumers. If mapansin nyo, mura ang low end stuff sa mga music store. Yung high end ang mahal. Pano, Mahal ang importation fee. Sana maging friendly ang government natin sa worldwide trade para mas madami maging available sa pilipinas at lower prices. Sa hong kong for example, sobrang simple ng taxation and importation kaya mas nae encourage ang mga businessmen. Example, they can subsidize 50% of cost if a hong kong company goes to NAMM to promote a product. Now that's a business-friendly environment.
My 2 cents.
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Ako, all my guitars came from yupangco, handog sale. siguro accesories laging dito sa philmusic kasi mas mura. pero sa guitars, gusto ko magcompare, itry lahat. merong mabalikan in case defective. etc.
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matagal na rin nabanggit ni Ed Roman tungkol sa eBay at ang epekto nito sa guitar industry. sa mga hindi pa nakakaalam, try nyo basahin:
http://www.edroman.com/rants/japanese.htm
http://www.edroman.com/general/ebay.htm
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last time i checked, the capitalist world wasn't fair... complain all you want but things have been changing way back then.
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last time i checked, the capitalist world wasn't fair... complain all you want but things have been changing way back then.
+1000!!!
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went to our municipality's BIR office last Jan. 25 (friday) to inquire about DTI registration since i plan to have one project go full scale na. too bad sa Lipa ko pa daw kelangan magrehistro sa DTI (which is napakalayo from Nasugbu). considering doing the online DTI registration instead. yay or nay?
bro nagawa ko na yan, kahit na mag register ka online, you will still need to register in person, i rereserve mo lang online is yung business name, bale check lang kung available yung business name mo. Pag dating mo dun, papa fill up ka padin ng application form, kasi hindi daw nila ma pull up yung online registration mo kasi wala silang internet access. Also, papakialaman din ng DTI yung Bussiness name mo. After nun, kuha ka pa barangay clearance (for sole prop) tapos munisipyo na, then BIR. kahit online seller ka, mag babayad ka pa ng accidental insurance, at kung ano anong fees. handa mo around 5-7k para lang sa registration. Pag nagpa register ka kasi, no such thing as ONLINE SELLER,. Pag nag register ka, i aassume ng DTI (sole prop /SEC (corporation) na TINDAHAN, PWESTO or OPISINA (professional services like real estae, law office etc) ang itataguyod mo. Good luck :)
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100 /hr. :-D
:-o :-D :-D
i think it's the other way around. the internet has provided a way to minimize monopoly of gear. it also helped bring down prices a bit, and has given better access to a variety of gear. if physical shops cannot compete with online shops, panahon na siguro para umisip ng bagong tactic. use the internet as well, and in the case of some physical stores, RELEASE THE SHILLS.
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bro nagawa ko na yan, kahit na mag register ka online, you will still need to register in person, i rereserve mo lang online is yung business name, bale check lang kung available yung business name mo. Pag dating mo dun, papa fill up ka padin ng application form, kasi hindi daw nila ma pull up yung online registration mo kasi wala silang internet access. Also, papakialaman din ng DTI yung Bussiness name mo. After nun, kuha ka pa barangay clearance (for sole prop) tapos munisipyo na, then BIR. kahit online seller ka, mag babayad ka pa ng accidental insurance, at kung ano anong fees. handa mo around 5-7k para lang sa registration. Pag nagpa register ka kasi, no such thing as ONLINE SELLER,. Pag nag register ka, i aassume ng DTI (sole prop /SEC (corporation) na TINDAHAN, PWESTO or OPISINA (professional services like real [ice cream], law office etc) ang itataguyod mo. Good luck :)
noted man! last year ko pa kasi iniisip, just needed some prodding (got plenty o'prodding from reading BIR news and first-hand experience dito sa opis, :D).
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Nice read,,, yung Promo rin ng mga local music store most of the time sablay...
Nakalagay sale on Zoom products 50% off... yun pala selected items lang... 8-)
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:-o :-D :-D
i think it's the other way around. the internet has provided a way to minimize monopoly of gear. it also helped bring down prices a bit, and has given better access to a variety of gear. if physical shops cannot compete with online shops, panahon na siguro para umisip ng bagong tactic. use the internet as well, and in the case of some physical stores, RELEASE THE SHILLS.
he told me he is overpayed :-D
you can try , ok naman sya sa pro bono minsan e
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the gray market din...killing the local guitar shops softly.
Nice read,,, yung Promo rin ng mga local music store most of the time sablay...
Nakalagay sale on Zoom products 50% off... yun pala selected items lang... 8-)
if course naman boss...may negosyo bang gustong malugi?
eg.
bumili ka ng noong 2003 ng Greco Japan LP eg500 ng 12K...after 2 years nagsawa ka...binenta mo ng 12K.
bumili ka nitong 2011 ng Greco Japan eg500 ulit..dahil nagtaas ang presyo ng mga 2nd hand guitars ng mga taong ito..iniskor mo ng 18k...after two years...nagsawa ka uli...ibebenta mo ba ng 12K?
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kailangan makabili na ako ng US made sa local shops bago pa sila malugi sa mga online sellers!
gusto ko din natetest at nakakapili sa madaming models eh. para mas macompare.
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the gray market din...killing the local guitar shops softly.
if course naman boss...may negosyo bang gustong malugi?
eg.
bumili ka ng noong 2003 ng Greco Japan LP eg500 ng 12K...after 2 years nagsawa ka...binenta mo ng 12K.
bumili ka nitong 2011 ng Greco Japan eg500 ulit..dahil nagtaas ang presyo ng mga 2nd hand guitars ng mga taong ito..iniskor mo ng 18k...after two years...nagsawa ka uli...ibebenta mo ba ng 12K?
naguluhan ako sir sa example nyo, pero na gets ko. hehe :wave:
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naguluhan ako sir sa example nyo, pero na gets ko. hehe :wave:
naguluhan din ako, tsaka di ko na-gets.
sa tingin ko ang gusto sabihin ni yekoz eh yung paglagay ng "50% off on Zoom products" syempre ang iisipin ng makakakita, lahat ng zoom products naka 50% off, yun pala selected lang. e di ilagay na lang "50% off on selected Zoom products", otherwise nangloloko ka lang diba?
as for the "grey market is killing the local guitar shops", the local guitar shops don't have anyone else to blame but themselves. if you're blaming the government for higher operational cost, then streamline you're business model in a way that trims the fat so to speak (like going online perhaps :-D ) the importers (i'm one of them) are just filling the void that the local shops are unwilling to fill. do you think musicians would be willing to trade a few hundred pesos for peace of mind? i'd rather buy here even if it's more expensive than have something shipped if i know that the warranty and after sales service is good. unfortunately, wala ata sa vocabulary ng music stores yung after sales coz majority are crap (with the exception of the music source).
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naguluhan ako sir sa example nyo, pero na gets ko. hehe :wave:
haha! sorry boss. pero ayos, na gets mo kahit papaano.
pag sinabing 50% ang zoom...malabo talagang lahat ng zoom products at 50% off...
parang piso fare ng cebu pacific...lahat ba ng upuan na available sa eruplano na piso fare? bilang lang kung ilang upuan ang ibebentang sa halagang piso.
regarding sa example ko..hindi mo siyempre ibebenta ang bago labas na modelo na nabili sa masmataas na exchange rate na kaperahas sa older version na nabili sa mas murang halaga.
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At nung teenager ako, dalawang reason lang kaya ako pumupunta sa mall. It's either to play video games or to see the nice guitars on display. Kawawa naman yung kabataan kung sa internet nalang sila makakakita ng magandang gamit. :-D
kids these days dont go out for the same reasons we did. plus everything is online na.
wanna play video games with your friends (arcade dati)? go online play mmorpg
wanna hear the latest album from your favorite band (record bars like music1 dati)? go online and stream it
wanna hear what that new pedal sounds like (music shop dati)? go online and listen to clips
wanna see what that nice guitar is really like (music shop ulit)? go online and watch video reviews
kids these days only go out to hang out sa starbucks.
kaya sa Eastwood (and i've complained about this way too much), you have 4 starbucks, 2 coffee bean and tea leaf, and at least 4 other coffee shops but just 1 music shop (lyric) and no record bars.
effin frou-froupuccino drinkin kids!!! geroffamahlawn!!!
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kids these days dont go out for the same reasons we did. plus everything is online na.
wanna play video games with your friends (arcade dati)? go online play mmorpg
wanna hear the latest album from your favorite band (record bars like music1 dati)? go online and stream it
wanna hear what that new pedal sounds like (music shop dati)? go online and listen to clips
wanna see what that nice guitar is really like (music shop ulit)? go online and watch video reviews
kids these days only go out to hang out sa starbucks.
kaya sa Eastwood (and i've complained about this way too much), you have 4 starbucks, 2 coffee bean and tea leaf, and at least 4 other coffee shops but just 1 music shop (lyric) and no record bars.
effin frou-froupuccino drinkin, J Co eatin' kids!!! geroffamahlawn!!!
Fixed! :-D
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naalala ko, lagi ako dumadaan sa RJ sa may park square dati, para tignan yung BC Rich copy nila. I didnt care about the guitar being an "RJ", to me it was just an awesome looking guitar that i can rock with. Sometimes i hope mababawa lang ang kaligayahan ko, just like when i was a kid, ang gusto ko lang, maging rockstar, fcuk the tone., lol
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Fixed! :-D
man insane yung pila dun (i live just across the street from there). akala ko mawawala na yung mga pila after nung "blockbuster opening weekend". hanggang ngayon parang pila pa din sa Enteng Kabisote movie. mapipilitan kang bumili ng at least a box kasi ang tagal mong pipila for it. :lol:
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man insane yung pila dun (i live just across the street from there). akala ko mawawala na yung mga pila after nung "blockbuster opening weekend". hanggang ngayon parang pila pa din sa Enteng Kabisote movie. mapipilitan kang bumili ng at least a box kasi ang tagal mong pipila for it. :lol:
OMG!!! I was in MOA kanina lang... Bibili dapat ako nyan. Nag-park pa ako malapit sa area nya. Dang! Malayo pa lang ako, kitang-kita ko na ang pila! Kinuha ko na lang ang kotse sa parking lot at nag-drive thru sa Krispy Kreme sa kabilang side. Kainis!!! :eek: :eek: :eek:
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naalala ko, lagi ako dumadaan sa RJ sa may park square dati, para tignan yung BC Rich copy nila. I didnt care about the guitar being an "RJ", to me it was just an awesome looking guitar that i can rock with. Sometimes i hope mababawa lang ang kaligayahan ko, just like when i was a kid, ang gusto ko lang, maging rockstar, fcuk the tone., lol
I remember going to RJ Guitars sa Robinsons Galeria when I was a teenager. Some kid brought in an ESP James Hetfield electric for a string change. And this poster of Kirk Hammett holding a KH2. I been imagining myself playing the guitar ever since. Then I entered the workforce and was able to buy a KH2. The magic is gone. Mas masaya dati, nung allowance lang na galing sa magulang ang budget :)
kids these days only go out to hang out sa starbucks.
Starbucks in the Philippines is a joke. You can't even order a signature iced chocolate with the ice crushed. I've ordered the same stuff in different places around the world, sa atin lang di pwede dahil frap na raw yun.
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Jackson's Rare Guitars, one of the best vintage/hi end guitar shop here in Sydney is also now closed.
Sarado na Jackson's?!? Awwww... I wonder how they disposed of all those vintage guitars. Around 2000 they had almost one whole wall of old Gibson LPs, including lotsa Goldtops. Pagakakita ko nun parang may soundtrack sa ulo ko, "Hallelujah, hallelujah... "
Where are you in Sydney? I underestimated the distance and stupidly walked all the way to Annandale from Circular Quay where I was staying while I was working there. The local acoustic guitar shops are pretty cool, though. Buhay pa ba sila?
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Where are you in Sydney? I underestimated the distance and stupidly walked all the way to Annandale from Circular Quay where I was staying while I was working there. The local acoustic guitar shops are pretty cool, though. Buhay pa ba sila?
I'm 15 minute drive away from the CBD. There are still some shops around that are surviving pero hindi na kasing boom gaya ng dati.
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im in..great insights
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Yes folks. You heard me right. Yan ang na-eexperience namin ngayon dito sa Sydney. Just a few months ago, a major music shop chain "Allans and Billy Hyde" was foreclosed due to financial problems. Jackson's Rare Guitars, one of the best vintage/hi end guitar shop here in Sydney is also now closed.
When I arrive here in 2007, guitar shops agad ang hinanap ko and there were plenty around the CBD and Annandale area. Though prices are more expensive than US/Canada prices (a new Fender American Deluxe Tele is $1700 in the US while the negotiable price tag here is $2400), there's a wide selection of guitars, amps and gadgets you can choose from.
Now all that is left are smaller guitar stores. They don't stock high end equipment but rather cheap epiphones, squires, ibanez and the likes. Kung meron mang mamahaling gitara, you can look but not try it. These shops don't have much customers even on weekends but most of their sales are done online, thru ebay or other websites.
The Australian economy is doing much better than the US nowadays. Before the exchange rate was about 90 AU cents to an American dollar, today it's the other way around. I think the Philippine peso is rallying towards a better exchange rate against the dollar. A lot of Aussies would rather buy from the US and wait for a couple of weeks than go to a local music store due to the savings of buying online.
I think these are the signs
- We'll have to rely on other people for reviews and demo videos over the internet
- Fewer local music shops if not none, though stocks will be limited or per order basis
- If you want a high quality instrument, you'll have to trust the description and photos posted online by the seller
- You cannot test the guitar in the shop unless you are a valued customer or known personality
- Cheap and fake/imitation guitars will be wide spread (this is already happening)
- Resale value of guitars will go down drastically even for high end ones
I'm glad that music stores in the Philippines still stock better equipment but in a few years time we will follow other countries. Sulit, ebay.ph and the classifieds here are the starting point. Once we pinoys are comfortable with online trading/use of credit card, we will follow suit.
news link
http://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/music/strings-attached-as-guitar-store-goes-under-20121217-2bjai.html
buti nga sa inyo sa Sydney ganyan lang ang difference sa US prices. it's higher sa ibang states. tapos limited pa ang pagpipilian.
ganyan talaga ang nangyayari ngayon, pati din naman sa ibang bansa. maraming "pinatay" ang internet.
you'd also have to take into consideration Australian business laws na mas stricto sa US. this is also aside from Australia having the highest wages in the world (high cost of living din)
pinaka masarap na panahon ng E-commerce ay noong late 90s or early 2000s. doon talaga kahit ano mabibili mo basta mabayaran mo. eh ngayon, may mga trade agreements. may mga websites sa, say US, na hindi nagshiship sa, say, Australia. although hindi pa din probihitive dahil marami rami pa din ang willing to ship. you'd just have to find them.
I believe na once maging very common ang online selling, baka pag interesan na yan ng gobyerno. dati more than a sum of 1000 dollars ang pwede mong bilin at iparating sa Auspost na hindi ka matatax. ngayon ata 900+ na lang.
pati damit at groceries online na din. and even my friend buys his toilet paper online.
mas mahala talag sa Aus, kaya mas makakatipid ka sa online purchase. im sure there will be ways around that later.
I know of someone who owns his own lot, and building, he lives there but the first floor is his shop. family owned. wala siyang renta. tumutulong ang family niya. so he's capable of competition.
siguro panahon lang yan before a solution comes up. malay natin, sa sobrang dadami later ang mag oonline purchase, then mas lalaki at mas magiging makulay ang black market (ie. gumtree)
now kung iilang thousand dollars lang ang pinag uusapan, some australians would rather have a custom guitar made, starting with highly selected wood and materials. kung dadaigin lang ng local made ang foreign guitars. bakit ka pa mag foreign if local is WAY better? Perry Ormsby has been making killer guitars for so long na. He even made one for a Quiet Riot member.
He even helps people become self sufficient by conducting guitar making classes, refret and redressing courses, pickup making classes. if you're able to build a guitar , im sure it will be easier to maintain guitars. he conducts these classes all over Australia (base from what i saw in the facebook wall posts)
as for me, under the conditions you've mentioned, when the time comes na you'd really want a good guitar, kailangan na talaga ng planning. like another friend of mine, he lives in Sydney. pinagplanuhan niya talaga.
tiniming niya sa trip niya to the US. pinag ipunan, para malaki ang budget and may range siya. he was able to find what he liked. happy siya.
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The online shops are cr*p too. For example ebay, it's flooded by sellers from China at dahil mura ang shipping at presyo ng items nila even local suppliers are having hard time competing with them.
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^ mahihirapan yang mga local sellers dahil sa labor ng Aus at taxation.
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IMHO
Isn't that guitar players are almost always after the tone, feel, playability and comfort of their dream guitar?
WHY then buy online?
There is absolutely no way of satisfying the above characteristics of a guitar when buying online. You have nothing to assess, you only have pictures or MP3s. You can't hold the neck or feel the weight nor listen to its sonic properties.
I do not understand why people buy guitars online, I can't seem to justify the reason why people buy online...unless perhaps they buy online just for the mere feeling of excitement when the package arrives?
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IMHO
Isn't that guitar players are almost always after the tone, feel, playability and comfort of their dream guitar?
WHY then buy online?
There is absolutely no way of satisfying the above characteristics of a guitar when buying online. You have nothing to assess, you only have pictures or MP3s. You can't hold the neck or feel the weight nor listen to its sonic properties.
I do not understand why people buy guitars online, I can't seem to justify the reason why people buy online...unless perhaps they buy online just for the mere feeling of excitement when the package arrives?
kasi may return policy. Balik lang nang balik hanggang makuha mo yung guitar na tama. The thought goes like this: alam mo ang sound ng humbucker, single coil. Alam mo na ang ginagawa ng split coil, trem, locking tuners, yung bridge na to. Alam mo na yung ginagawa nung mga tone at volume pots mo. alam mo na yung body shape at construction na gusto mo. Pili ka ng isa. One week to try. Pwede mo pa nga i-gig eh. Pag ayaw, ship it back, palitan ng iba, rinse and repeat hanggang makuha ang gusto.
Some of the local guitar shops aren't helping in this situation either, as some of them don't want you to hold and play the merchandise. Parang, nag-effort ka pa bumiyahe tapos ayaw pala. And with those bulk shipping service things, it's even more affordable to purchase a guitar online and have it shipped here.
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IMHO
Isn't that guitar players are almost always after the tone, feel, playability and comfort of their dream guitar?
WHY then buy online?
There is absolutely no way of satisfying the above characteristics of a guitar when buying online. You have nothing to assess, you only have pictures or MP3s. You can't hold the neck or feel the weight nor listen to its sonic properties.
I do not understand why people buy guitars online, I can't seem to justify the reason why people buy online...unless perhaps they buy online just for the mere feeling of excitement when the package arrives?
convenience bro.
you can always ship it back if theres a warranty.
haha. pero i havent bought anything online.
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kasi may return policy. Balik lang nang balik hanggang makuha mo yung guitar na tama. The thought goes like this: alam mo ang sound ng humbucker, single coil. Alam mo na ang ginagawa ng split coil, trem, locking tuners, yung bridge na to. Alam mo na yung ginagawa nung mga tone at volume pots mo. alam mo na yung body shape at construction na gusto mo. Pili ka ng isa. One week to try. Pwede mo pa nga i-gig eh. Pag ayaw, ship it back, palitan ng iba, rinse and repeat hanggang makuha ang gusto.
Some of the local guitar shops aren't helping in this situation either, as some of them don't want you to hold and play the merchandise. Parang, nag-effort ka pa bumiyahe tapos ayaw pala. And with those bulk shipping service things, it's even more affordable to purchase a guitar online and have it shipped here.
i agree with the guitar shops.
rj stores (aaaargh).
pinakamasklap yung pcpark e. nung hahawakan ko yung isang tele nila sabi sakin, sir mahal yan.
ha?hahahaha. :-D
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kasi may return policy. Balik lang nang balik hanggang makuha mo yung guitar na tama. The thought goes like this: alam mo ang sound ng humbucker, single coil. Alam mo na ang ginagawa ng split coil, trem, locking tuners, yung bridge na to. Alam mo na yung ginagawa nung mga tone at volume pots mo. alam mo na yung body shape at construction na gusto mo. Pili ka ng isa. One week to try. Pwede mo pa nga i-gig eh. Pag ayaw, ship it back, palitan ng iba, rinse and repeat hanggang makuha ang gusto.
Some of the local guitar shops aren't helping in this situation either, as some of them don't want you to hold and play the merchandise. Parang, nag-effort ka pa bumiyahe tapos ayaw pala. And with those bulk shipping service things, it's even more affordable to purchase a guitar online and have it shipped here.
I see what you mean, pero diba may cost din yung shipping back sa seller? Pano pa kung multiple times ka nag palit? Eh di napamahal ka pa?
Honestly, palagi ako bumibili sa Sweetwater at eBay ng guitar accesories at parts, pero parts na maliliit lang (pots, screws, picks, strings, tubes) yung tipong alam ko na hindi ko ibabalik kasi alam ko what I see is what I get, di katulog ng isang buong guitar, parang may element of surprise, baka panget or pwede ring sobrang ganda naman (swerte kumbaga).
Halimbawa may tao naka base sa Pinas, bumili sa Sweetwater, tapos ayaw, sure pwede mo ibalik pero sagot mo yung return shipping, plus yung import taxes pa ng customs and to mention the horrors of international shipping.
PERO kung ang isang tao eh based sa USA at yung online seller eg USA based din, i think mag wo-work out yung online guitar shopping kung free yung return shipping.
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i agree with the guitar shops.
rj stores (aaaargh).
pinakamasklap yung pcpark e. nung hahawakan ko yung isang tele nila sabi sakin, sir mahal yan.
ha?hahahaha. :-D
Yes! RJ stores! puro flaws na nga yung mga units ayaw pa ipatest. Bad trip din yung akala nila nagsshopping ka sa raon at di mo alam yung ginagawa mo. Minsan gusto ko magdala ng mamahaling gamit para lang ipamukha na oy alam ko ang tinitingnan ko.
I see what you mean, pero diba may cost din yung shipping back sa seller? Pano pa kung multiple times ka nag palit? Eh di napamahal ka pa?
Honestly, palagi ako bumibili sa Sweetwater at eBay ng guitar accesories at parts, pero parts na maliliit lang (pots, screws, picks, strings, tubes) yung tipong alam ko na hindi ko ibabalik kasi alam ko what I see is what I get, di katulog ng isang buong guitar, parang may element of surprise, baka panget or pwede ring sobrang ganda naman (swerte kumbaga).
Halimbawa may tao naka base sa Pinas, bumili sa Sweetwater, tapos ayaw, sure pwede mo ibalik pero sagot mo yung return shipping, plus yung import taxes pa ng customs and to mention the horrors of international shipping.
PERO kung ang isang tao eh based sa USA at yung online seller eg USA based din, i think mag wo-work out yung online guitar shopping kung free yung return shipping.
yeah, I was referring to the ones based in the US. Kung online shoppingsa pinas, oo sobrang mahal nyan. But then iba na talaga ang mga shoppers ng mga instruments ngayon. Yung hindi gear at tone freaks ah, yung normal na tumutugtog lang - gneerally happy naman sila sa tunog ng kung ano man ang bilhin nila, partly because hindi pa nila marinig at maramdaman yung difference. So as long as hindi super weird yung setup at hindi malayo sa tone na target nila, masaya na sila dun.
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I see what you mean, pero diba may cost din yung shipping back sa seller? Pano pa kung multiple times ka nag palit? Eh di napamahal ka pa?
That is why, for better or worse, our local market will stay as it is for the meantime. But in countries like the US and even Australia, it's not difficult to see why physical stores are struggling.
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Yes! RJ stores! puro flaws na nga yung mga units ayaw pa ipatest. Bad trip din yung akala nila nagsshopping ka sa raon at di mo alam yung ginagawa mo. Minsan gusto ko magdala ng mamahaling gamit para lang ipamukha na oy alam ko ang tinitingnan ko.
yeah, I was referring to the ones based in the US. Kung online shoppingsa pinas, oo sobrang mahal nyan. But then iba na talaga ang mga shoppers ng mga instruments ngayon. Yung hindi gear at tone freaks ah, yung normal na tumutugtog lang - gneerally happy naman sila sa tunog ng kung ano man ang bilhin nila, partly because hindi pa nila marinig at maramdaman yung difference. So as long as hindi super weird yung setup at hindi malayo sa tone na target nila, masaya na sila dun.
one time at a crappy store in sta mesa...was window shopping..and all the crap P.O.S. guitars were plastic wrapped..took one off the stand..and this grumpy old man..scolded me for touching it..
was so pissed and insulted..wanted to throw a rock at his store window...
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one time at a crappy store in sta mesa...was window shopping..and all the crap P.O.S. guitars were plastic wrapped..took one off the stand..and this grumpy old man..scolded me for touching it..
was so pissed and insulted..wanted to throw a rock at his store window...
haha oo nga.akala mo ginto e,pag naka shorts ka lang parang baba ng tingin sa iyo.
pag nakapolo ka, sir ng sir.
pero di lang naman sa music store yan, kahit saan. ewan ko ba, ine equate ng mga salesperson ang yaman sa porma.
minsan nga mas mayaman pa yung mukhang ewan lang e. haha.
okay back to topic.sorry ts. :-D
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I see what you mean, pero diba may cost din yung shipping back sa seller? Pano pa kung multiple times ka nag palit? Eh di napamahal ka pa?
i think you are missing the point. The most important thing is you are able to try it for free, plug it to your rig , gig with it for a short time (the best way to test a guitar). kahit magasgasan ok lang and if not satisfied you can return it . Dito mo maassess yun feel at sound kung gusto mo na talaga o hindi. IIRC Kauer guitars offered it sometime, one of their custom guitar worth 4-5k USD na pwede mo itest at isoli kung di mo magustuhan. unbeatable offer.
Also, nobody returns it multiple times, normally they will give you the right one the 2nd time. pag 3rd time ka nagsoli there is something "fishy" na about the buyer. so the first time you return it you need to be clear about what you really need.
my 2 cents
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haha oo nga.akala mo ginto e,pag naka shorts ka lang parang baba ng tingin sa iyo.
pag nakapolo ka, sir ng sir.
pero di lang naman sa music store yan, kahit saan. ewan ko ba, ine equate ng mga salesperson ang yaman sa porma.
minsan nga mas mayaman pa yung mukhang ewan lang e. haha.
okay back to topic.sorry ts. :-D
one advantage of the internet vs. guitar shops: the internet doesn't discriminate based on what you wear. you could be buying your next guitar naked and the internet won't care
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me thinks... online guitar shops should coincide with their own guitar shop. or music shop for that matter.
both have their own good points.
Online shops can showcase their products immediately, taking consideration of those musicians who live far from their shops.
Whilst, traditional guitar shops cater to those who want to concretely see & feel those axes.
And what i'm saying is, guitar shops with online presence can give & reach out to more potential customers.
I'm saying online meaning, their online website should be promptly updated. Not updated per week or per month.
Take for example, Anderton's music store in UK.
Checkout their youtube videos & their online shop, you'll see what i mean.
just my thoughts
BR & God bless
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me thinks... online guitar shops should coincide with their own guitar shop. or music shop for that matter.
both have their own good points.
Online shops can showcase their products immediately, taking consideration of those musicians who live far from their shops.
Whilst, traditional guitar shops cater to those who want to concretely see & feel those axes.
And what i'm saying is, guitar shops with online presence can give & reach out to more potential customers.
I'm saying online meaning, their online website should be promptly updated. Not updated per week or per month.
Take for example, Anderton's music store in UK.
Checkout their youtube videos & their online shop, you'll see what i mean.
just my thoughts
BR & God bless
agreed with this...saw one popular shop with this model..quite successful..as they really have good prices..and takes the effort to shoot the actual guitar nicely and completely..
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while i'm all for technological advancement, I still believe that there's nothing like trying out the gear muna before buying it.
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pero di lang naman sa music store yan, kahit saan. ewan ko ba, ine equate ng mga salesperson ang yaman sa porma.
Dumaan ako kahapon sa mga music stores kasi naghahanap ako ng capo. I went by Music for Little Mozarts (I think subsidiary ng Lyric?) and asked for a capo pero sabi sakin next week pa daw dating nung mga capo. Tinignan ko yung display and I saw one kaya tinanong ko yung salesman. Sabi sakin "mahal po kasi yan. next week pa po yung dating nung mga murang capo."
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while i'm all for technological advancement, I still believe that there's nothing like trying out the gear muna before buying it.
Agree. and nothing beats walking inside a guitar store.......nothing!
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Agree. and nothing beats walking inside a guitar store.......nothing!
nothing beats walking inside a guitar store...WITH MONEY. hehe
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nothing beats walking inside a guitar store...WITH MONEY. hehe
i agree with feeling & hearing gear personally in the store.
What i actually like about shops that have both product availability methods is,
you can use the one that suits your needs.
I'm satisfied in buying SW gear or other general recording gears from online shops.
But I enjoy walking in music shops to check out guitars, amps, pedals, effects & other tone defining HW gear...
And I think I'm not ok with buying my next guitar or amp online.
BR & God bless
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parang chicks na may mga online profiles nila...na pagkaganda,sexy at pagkaputi..at blemish free...
pagkameet up..KABOOM! ikaw ba yan ate?!
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i think you are missing the point. The most important thing is you are able to try it for free...
are you talking about online stores here?
because if you are...i doubt that there exist an online store which will allow their items to be ship to your doorstep for you to try for free.
you actually have a higher chance of trying your favourite guitar on a brick and mortar store, for free.
parang chicks na may mga online profiles nila...na pagkaganda,sexy at pagkaputi..at blemish free...
pagkameet up..KABOOM! ikaw ba yan ate?!
exactly.
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PERO again, it depends kung san ka naka base.
Kung sa USA ka, eh na perfect na nila at na streamline ang online shopping kaya practical na, pero kung nasa Pinas ka tapos bibili ka sa US, tapos papa-ship mo sa bahay mo...tapos pagdating ayaw mo pala yung color kasi iba sa yung shade sa screen monitor mo, sus, goodluck!
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are you talking about online stores here?
because if you are...i doubt that there exist an online store which will allow their items to be ship to your doorstep for you to try for free.
ng ayaw mo pala yung color kasi iba sa yung shade sa screen monitor mo, sus, goodluck!
err. sonicassault already defined Return policy that applies to other countries . I thought we are talking about the same thing since you quoted it. but then you probably thought its local.
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A lot of Custom boutique builders offer returns even if "shade " lang yun issue. My replica from UK comes with it and a "Tone Guarantee". He said if his build is not at par with the Best replica builders of today in terms of TONE and CRAFTSMANSHIP, I can return it. full refund.
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nothing beats walking inside a guitar store...WITH MONEY. hehe
nothing beats walking inside a guitar store... WITH MONEY...during SALE! :-P
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it depends on how you view a Sale
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it depends on how you view a Sale
ang tingin ko sa sale: getting an item without certainty of its availability, for its regular ticket price in the US... lalo na pag JB music ang pinag uusapan!! :lol:
pag hindi naman during sale bumili: parang yung pag nastuck ka sa traffic tapos ang benta sayo sa maliit na bote ng mineral water 50 isa pero kailangan mo talaga bilhin eh. <_<
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pansin ko kasi sa mga Sale yun yung napag piliian na.
pag dumating ang say, isang shipment ng gitara, of course they get to check them. lalo na pag may magandang tumunog.
sureball good and high paying -frequent buying customers get first dibs. unless someone purchases internally. lalo na kung maganda tumunog. if they're allowed to purchase internally...
then didisplay sa shop. mapagpipilian. boom.
same thing with amps and pedals. to me they're not the same if even if they're of the same make and model.
accessories pwede pa siguro.
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Hi Rmansh,
Na curios kasi ako sa nabanggit mo na "The most important thing is you are able to try it for free..."
Regardless kung nasang bansa nandun yung customer at online store, imposible na may online store na papayag na mag pa-try for free (with free shipping and handling).
Ibang scenario yung online store na may return policy, kasi nabayaran mo na yung item bago mo nakuha, so may cost kana.
Kung mangyaring hindi pala gusto yung item, pwede mo ibalik for a refund or replacement pero ikaw parin mag babayad ng return shipping, so another cost.
err. sonicassault already defined Return policy that applies to other countries . I thought we are talking about the same thing since you quoted it. but then you probably thought its local.
edit:
A lot of Custom boutique builders offer returns even if "shade " lang yun issue. My replica from UK comes with it and a "Tone Guarantee". He said if his build is not at par with the Best replica builders of today in terms of TONE and CRAFTSMANSHIP, I can return it. full refund.
Out of curiosity, given na ang isang customer ay UK based tapos yung "custom boutique builders" ay UK based din.
Diba since custom guitar, yung customer ang pipili ng wood for the top, back, neck, finish, paint color, inlays, tuners, hardware parts, body shape, etc...so pano transaction nun? Puro email lang with pictures and MP3 sound clips?
Kung nag pa custom ka ng guitar, diba gusto mo puntahan yung shop nung luthier?
Either siguro, gusto mo makita kung malinis ba siya sa gamit, professional ba, totoo bang may tools siya for making a guitar, marami ba siyang ready made sample designs, I-try siguro yung ibang finish product niya para may baseline ka kung ano gusto mo.
Hindi ko talaga ma-imagine na bibili ang isang customer ng guitar online with full confidence na ito ang gusto ko na guitar kasi ang ganda ng tunog nito, finish, feel at comfort.
Kahit siguro nasa US ako hindi ako bibili online, kahit may return policy.
Plus I cant be bothered to do unnecessary paper work for having buyer's remorse.
I would rather walk into a brick and mortar store, try a guitar on any amp available, talk to the sales guy (baka maging friends pa kami), and when I'm ready to buy I can ask for a deal, go home and be happy with it.
Ito po opinion ko.
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I think I'd only buy guitars online which are made outside the brand's country of origin, or if it's a Japanese brand.
Ergo, I'd only buy Fender, Gibson, Dean online if it's MIM/MIK/MIJ. I'd only buy an Ibanez, Yamaha, Takamine online if it's MIK/MIC.
Otherwise, I'd still buy from a shop.
The logic behind it is that these are assembly line models, and in an assembly line, the quality is pretty much at par with each other. Of course there will be bad guitars, but getting golden ones are far and few in between. More confident with MIJ guitars too, because of the Japanese and their obsession with six sigma standards and shiz.
Pag USA guitars na, you really have to test its sound and feel. More handcrafted parts = more error.
Parang sa drums lang, pag bibili lang naman ako ng Zildjian A customs (machine hammered), online na lang, yung tunog nyan pareho sa A Customs na narinig ko dun sa isang drummer. Pero pag bibili ako ng Bosphorus (handmade cymbals) kailangan sa shop ako bumili, kasi for sure may golden stuff dyan, may hindi ko rin feel.
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Hi Rmansh,
Na curios kasi ako sa nabanggit mo na "The most important thing is you are able to try it for free..."
Regardless kung nasang bansa nandun yung customer at online store, imposible na may online store na papayag na mag pa-try for free (with free shipping and handling).
Ibang scenario yung online store na may return policy, kasi nabayaran mo na yung item bago mo nakuha, so may cost kana.
Kung mangyaring hindi pala gusto yung item, pwede mo ibalik for a refund or replacement pero ikaw parin mag babayad ng return shipping, so another cost.
Out of curiosity, given na ang isang customer ay UK based tapos yung "custom boutique builders" ay UK based din.
Diba since custom guitar, yung customer ang pipili ng wood for the top, back, neck, finish, paint color, inlays, tuners, hardware parts, body shape, etc...so pano transaction nun? Puro email lang with pictures and MP3 sound clips?
Kung nag pa custom ka ng guitar, diba gusto mo puntahan yung shop nung luthier?
Either siguro, gusto mo makita kung malinis ba siya sa gamit, professional ba, totoo bang may tools siya for making a guitar, marami ba siyang ready made sample designs, I-try siguro yung ibang finish product niya para may baseline ka kung ano gusto mo.
Hindi ko talaga ma-imagine na bibili ang isang customer ng guitar online with full confidence na ito ang gusto ko na guitar kasi ang ganda ng tunog nito, finish, feel at comfort.
Kahit siguro nasa US ako hindi ako bibili online, kahit may return policy.
Plus I cant be bothered to do unnecessary paper work for having buyer's remorse.
I would rather walk into a brick and mortar store, try a guitar on any amp available, talk to the sales guy (baka maging friends pa kami), and when I'm ready to buy I can ask for a deal, go home and be happy with it.
Ito po opinion ko.
if i may lang po, i know this is addressed to Rmansh but, i'd like to share something.
dati ka kabilang baryo ko lang yung world class luthier na si Perry Ormsby, yung gumawa ng bass guitar na may kuko ni Randy Rhoads.
so maraming umoorder sa kanya from other countries. just like other luthiers, pictures, videos, web cam...lahat ba ng pwedeng gawin para makita ng client, gagawin. flying in is also an option. why not? hindi lang nga practical.
but as someone who lives near him, he told me that if i ever get to buy one from him, pwede raw ako dumalaw. BUT hindi pwede naroon lagi kasi mahalaga oras niya at mahirap gumawa ng gitara na may iba pang obligation, tulad ng pamilya etc tapos kailangan maganda yung quality. si perry pag hindi maganda yung body, tinatapon niya.
i have visited his shop numerous times when it was still open for tour.
so bottom line is, im sure most of them will be accommodating if you live nearby.
pero yun lang talaga ang "laro" if you live far far away. you have to trust the maker.
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Hi Rmansh,
Na curios kasi ako sa nabanggit mo na "The most important thing is you are able to try it for free..."
Regardless kung nasang bansa nandun yung customer at online store, imposible na may online store na papayag na mag pa-try for free (with free shipping and handling).
Ibang scenario yung online store na may return policy, kasi nabayaran mo na yung item bago mo nakuha, so may cost kana.
Kung mangyaring hindi pala gusto yung item, pwede mo ibalik for a refund or replacement pero ikaw parin mag babayad ng return shipping, so another cost.
Out of curiosity, given na ang isang customer ay UK based tapos yung "custom boutique builders" ay UK based din.
Diba since custom guitar, yung customer ang pipili ng wood for the top, back, neck, finish, paint color, inlays, tuners, hardware parts, body shape, etc...so pano transaction nun? Puro email lang with pictures and MP3 sound clips?
Kung nag pa custom ka ng guitar, diba gusto mo puntahan yung shop nung luthier?
Either siguro, gusto mo makita kung malinis ba siya sa gamit, professional ba, totoo bang may tools siya for making a guitar, marami ba siyang ready made sample designs, I-try siguro yung ibang finish product niya para may baseline ka kung ano gusto mo.
Hindi ko talaga ma-imagine na bibili ang isang customer ng guitar online with full confidence na ito ang gusto ko na guitar kasi ang ganda ng tunog nito, finish, feel at comfort.
Kahit siguro nasa US ako hindi ako bibili online, kahit may return policy.
Plus I cant be bothered to do unnecessary paper work for having buyer's remorse.
I would rather walk into a brick and mortar store, try a guitar on any amp available, talk to the sales guy (baka maging friends pa kami), and when I'm ready to buy I can ask for a deal, go home and be happy with it.
Ito po opinion ko.
Sa UK may ganito
Sale of goods act 1979 section14
"Any item purchased can be returned and given a full cash or credit card value if you have the receipt. "
"Goods have to be fit for the purpose for which they were intended"
what i meant is kung hindi mo nagustuhan at naisoli mo yun item, generally speaking, you are able to try it for free . to some people, its ok for expensive guitars pero kung 300$ lang yun guitar, its not worth it. sagot mo talaga shipping.
regarding custom guitars, its risky. so you have to research. my experience in guitar selection is limited to what guitar stores offer so I ask experts. I have some gibsons and some others i have sold still, knowing there is something better out there keeps my GAS alive.
regarding Damien Probett he is one of the most experienced builders around , he used to work at Charlie Chandlers Uk. Their clients include Jimmy Page, Jeff Beck, Paul McCartney, etc etc. I would rather trust him my hard earned money than anybody from yupangco or rj store.
long time ago my first Gibson standard to me was "The One", then i was invited to a tone party. big mistake! meron pa pala mas maganda sa Gitara ko! from there I learned you really need TONS of experience in handpicking a superb guitar or let the experts do it for you. There is no shame here, you gain a lot of information pa nga. kaya hindi na ako sumasama sa Tone Parties lol
But then you have to think about the big picture here. Are you satisfied with what local guitar stores offer or you want something better? Is your Experience in Handpicking a guitar enough or you want to learn more? yun lang jm2cents
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agree re: experience ang kailangan to choose a superb guitar.
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Excellent point sonic, rmansh, analog and I get them.
So now I partially understand why people buy online.
However, for me, personally, I think hindi ko pa kaya kumagat sa online shopping, mapa cheap, custom or boutique man ng instrument.
Thanks for introducing me the name Perry Ormsby, I enjoyed browsing around his website.
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Excellent point sonic, rmansh, analog and I get them.
So now I partially understand why people buy online.
However, for me, personally, I think hindi ko pa kaya kumagat sa online shopping, mapa cheap, custom or boutique man ng instrument.
Thanks for introducing me the name Perry Ormsby, I enjoyed browsing around his website.
One of the reasons I still wouldn't buy online, even with midrange MIJ consistent quality stuff, is that I don't get to choose the stock, and I don't like the manner of delivery. Of course from one continent to another, pare-pareho lang naan ang shipping nyan. Pero pag galing sa port papunta sayo, balahura na minsan ang delivery eh, makikita mo yung box mo parang used and abused na, yung $500-$1000 guitar mo di mo alam kung buhay pa sa loob. Tapos yun din, hassle din yung di mo trip yung stock tapos papabalik mo atminsan di mo pa makukuha yung eksaktong gusto mo.
Pag sa music store kasi, hihimasin mo lang tapos malalaman mo na agad kung siya na ang the one, at pag nasira ang gitara mo in transit, ikaw lang ang masisisi mo
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One of the reasons I still wouldn't buy online, even with midrange MIJ consistent quality stuff, is that I don't get to choose the stock, and I don't like the manner of delivery. Of course from one continent to another, pare-pareho lang naan ang shipping nyan. Pero pag galing sa port papunta sayo, balahura na minsan ang delivery eh, makikita mo yung box mo parang used and abused na, yung $500-$1000 guitar mo di mo alam kung buhay pa sa loob. Tapos yun din, hassle din yung di mo trip yung stock tapos papabalik mo atminsan di mo pa makukuha yung eksaktong gusto mo.
Pag sa music store kasi, hihimasin mo lang tapos malalaman mo na agad kung siya na ang the one, at pag nasira ang gitara mo in transit, ikaw lang ang masisisi mo
pag maganda response sa himas, yun na!
Excellent point sonic, rmansh, analog and I get them.
So now I partially understand why people buy online.
However, for me, personally, I think hindi ko pa kaya kumagat sa online shopping, mapa cheap, custom or boutique man ng instrument.
Thanks for introducing me the name Perry Ormsby, I enjoyed browsing around his website.
Glad you liked the website.
magaling si Perry, nakakahanap siya ng mga substitute woods at yung concepts sa luthiery inaapply niya in an innovative way. doon mo talaga makikita yung luthier vs others.
others kasi follow books, parang recipe ba... pero ang tunay na Chef, nakakagawa ng talagang masarap na dish, na maboboggle ka talaga pag nalasahan mo.
Ganun din ang tunay na luthier imho.
tsaka siya bago nag sarili na certify siya under different big brands to officially maintain and repair guitars. actually pati amps din pero nagfocus na siya sa gitara.
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pag maganda response sa himas, yun na!
pag tumindig agad.. ang balahibo sa ganda ng tunog, yun na! :wink:
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Agree. and nothing beats walking inside a guitar store.......nothing!
what about walking out with a guitar? :idea:
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Excellent point sonic, rmansh, analog and I get them.
So now I partially understand why people buy online.
However, for me, personally, I think hindi ko pa kaya kumagat sa online shopping, mapa cheap, custom or boutique man ng instrument.
Thanks for introducing me the name Perry Ormsby, I enjoyed browsing around his website.
thats alright, its a personal choice naman. karamihan din ng gamit ko nabili ko sa shop pero pag umabot na sa 1.5-2k usd online na ako tumitingin. like this one
http://ronkirn.com/holiday.htm
btw these guys are small company luthiers, wala silang shop karamihan sa garage lang ang operation unlike Guitarcenter.
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what about walking out with a guitar? :idea:
better :idea:
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okay discounts ni Ron Kirn ah. good price
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okay discounts ni Ron Kirn ah. good price
eto bago ni Ron kirn at 1598$ :drool:
http://ronkirn.com/blackie.htm
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that's very tempting. hahaha
the barnbusters sound good in youtube.