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Offline starfugger

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Re: Magaling sa recording, sabit-sabit sa live.
« Reply #50 on: February 02, 2007, 10:58:42 AM »
i agree with bass cog's point of view. 

another thing i would like to add of course is that in my opinion every band has to include a sound engineer in their lineup.  sanay kasi tayo na puro musikero lang, and we forget that an engineer can help improve our sound on stage.  mas konti na ang poproblemahin natin.  we can concentrate on making music, the engineer takes care of our "tone". makakatulong ata yon.



are you talkin bout urself? if u are. i definitely agree  :-D

hehe bry.  im definitely flattered, pero di ko ata linya ang live e  :-( mejo mas mahirap sya kesa sa recording. 
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Re: Magaling sa recording, sabit-sabit sa live.
« Reply #51 on: February 02, 2007, 11:09:41 AM »
MWAHAHA.  i had the pleasure of meeting shinji last night at napag usapan din namin yan. minsan binubuksan ko palang yung plug to make some changes, naka-approve na yung client ... 

client: yaaaaaan ganyan, mas ok.   

me: wala pa po akong ginagawa ser. 

client: a, ganon ba?

anyhow, bawal ba pumihit yung tech ng banda?



Well, as a rule of thumb, you don't want to play with another surgeon's knives right?  Even if the sound coming from the house and dumb settings on the FOH is awful, all you can do is tell the techs what YOU HEAR AND WANT TO HEAR.  The assumption is, no one but the sound system people (probably enkargadors with a little sound tech knowledge) know what can work best with THEIR set-up.

Ang dapat kasi sa banda, maggawa ng DETAILED TECHNICAL RIDER.  From the number of Wedge monitors to the miking setup, to the preferred drums, cymbals and amps, you should SPECIFY these in a band's rider.  Now it is the obligation of the promoter of the event to find a soundsystem that can handle the needs of the band.

But then, in this country of "One Size Fits All" stage setups, I am not surprised why bands don't make tech riders.  Basta plug and play at may kuryente...

But then again, we should train the bands as well to know what they should look for in a sound system.  I remember Paul Van Dyke doing a show in M-bassy the Fort.  He asked his tech to visit the place before he arrived.  He said he shall be using EV SPEAKERS EXCLUSIVELY.  Pinatanngal yung house setup.

For tech riders, I suggest you go here ---> www.thesmokinggun.com  and you'll see tech and gig riders of the most famous musicians.  Oh BTW, look at Van Halen and Pantera's rider.  Alcohol seems to be treated a mineral water.
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Re: Magaling sa recording, sabit-sabit sa live.
« Reply #52 on: February 02, 2007, 06:26:47 PM »
Sa tingin ko po tama si skunkyfunk.

Kasi kani-kanina lang ung tugtugan ko at palpak to dahil sobrang sabog ung bass.

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Re: Magaling sa recording, sabit-sabit sa live.
« Reply #53 on: February 02, 2007, 10:41:14 PM »
skunkyfunk has a point, pero what if nga, generic sound system ang gamit mo sa performance mo, hindi ba dyahe yun? and here in our province, IT IS becoming a trend that sound systems have the knack to make your performance the most miserable one. excuse nila, baka bumigay raw sound system nila. and from their point of view, alam ko naman na they are concerned for their kit kasi there are those knuckleheads na grabe maglakas ng effects lalo na ang distortion. walang pakialam sa sound system basta malakas ang gamit nila. pero sana naman, wag nila lalahatin kasi ang ibang bands (katulad namin) exert the effort na as much as possible balanced and clear lahat ng instruments, tsaka who wants a sabog sound onstage diba? it doesn't hurt to bring a sound tech of your own, pero alam mo naman mga yan, merong mga sari-sariling pride rin. to date, iisa lang ang nakita ko dito na marunong magtimpla ng gamit nya. pero malaking problema pa rin sa amin ang monitors....
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Re: Magaling sa recording, sabit-sabit sa live.
« Reply #54 on: February 03, 2007, 12:37:12 AM »
skunkyfunk has a point, pero what if nga, generic sound system ang gamit mo sa performance mo, hindi ba dyahe yun? and here in our province, IT IS becoming a trend that sound systems have the knack to make your performance the most miserable one. excuse nila, baka bumigay raw sound system nila. and from their point of view, alam ko naman na they are concerned for their kit kasi there are those knuckleheads na grabe maglakas ng effects lalo na ang distortion. walang pakialam sa sound system basta malakas ang gamit nila. pero sana naman, wag nila lalahatin kasi ang ibang bands (katulad namin) exert the effort na as much as possible balanced and clear lahat ng instruments, tsaka who wants a sabog sound onstage diba? it doesn't hurt to bring a sound tech of your own, pero alam mo naman mga yan, merong mga sari-sariling pride rin. to date, iisa lang ang nakita ko dito na marunong magtimpla ng gamit nya. pero malaking problema pa rin sa amin ang monitors....

Hindi ko alam ang ibig nila sabihin ng "sasabog" ang gamit.  Sumasabog ang gamit kung:

1.  Underrated ang amps for instruments.  For SS amps believe me, a 100W would blow easily in open-air venues.  For Bass amps, at LEAST 300W!  Tube amps sound much better cranked but they are hard to maintain. 
2.  Walang compressors sa FOH!  Ito yung phenomenon na pumuputok ang mic signals pero di mo dinig sarili mo in a full mix.
3.  Walang outboard compressor to stereo bus to the house.  Chances are - puwede pumutok tweeters mo.
4.  Walang matinong subwoofers.
5.  Walang matinong crossover kung may subs.
6.  DC or AC noise coming from bad electrical power.  Use power conditioners please...



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Re: Magaling sa recording, sabit-sabit sa live.
« Reply #55 on: February 03, 2007, 12:41:58 AM »
maybe one of those reasons, pero i think what they are talking about, kasi di naman sila siguro masyado technical (heck! kami pa nga nagturo dun sa isa eh), yung tipong baka raw madistort na yung mga speakers nila. ewan ko ba. lalo na yung sound system na nire-rent ng san miguel dito (sensya na mainit talaga ulo ko sa mga yun eh). pag clean tone ang part ng song mo, ayos sya, pagdating sa distorted na part, bigla ihihina ang levels mo nung alang kwentang tech nila. tapos yung mga roadies nila mahilig manghina ng amps sa stage. di na nga kami magkarinigan sa monitors na hindi rin ata nakakabit sabay hihinaan pa ang amps. pusang gala!
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Re: Magaling sa recording, sabit-sabit sa live.
« Reply #56 on: February 03, 2007, 01:27:03 AM »
ako sa tingin ko yung recorded material sa cd is just a standard version nung kanta ng mga artists.  they can make it "perfect" for listening so to speak. Pagdating naman sa live, delivery na yan. para sakin dapat makuha mo ung tao,.... kasi hindi nalang sya audio experience eh,... nagiging audio-visual na sya.  the energy should always be higher. the whole chemistry thing should be there. sa totoo lang kung ung banda magaling magdala, kahit sumabit pa yan sa live, minsan ayos lang eh,... wag lang sobra,..  :lol: lalo na for musicians like us, syempre ang sama naman sa tenga kung sobra ung sabit. ung tipong parang hindi na talaga ikaw ung nasa recording. matalino na rin ung mga listeners ngayon. alam na kung para silang niloloko nung banda.

maraming pwedeng ibahin sa live act such as artistic representations of the song like ung pagiiba ng tono or pag iba ng konti ng groove. marami namang "tools" para maging interesting ung live performance eh. so i guess for the record, para sakin, the live performance should really be a much much better experience than just listening to recorded material. after all, mahirap naman na sarili mong kanta hindi mo matugtog ng maayos.  just my 2 cents,...  :-D

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Re: Magaling sa recording, sabit-sabit sa live.
« Reply #57 on: February 03, 2007, 01:32:46 AM »


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Re: Magaling sa recording, sabit-sabit sa live.
« Reply #58 on: February 03, 2007, 03:54:23 AM »
para sakin kase meh iba tlga mas sumasarap pa sa live eh kesa sa astig na album nila,..

at meron din nman tlgang ang galing sa recording pero sablay sa live tlga.merong oks nga ang banda pero sablay ang vox,,meron ding parehong sablay..


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Re: Magaling sa recording, sabit-sabit sa live.
« Reply #59 on: February 04, 2007, 03:21:00 AM »
Example: Nung mga 1st year high skul ako may chance na napanood ko yung E-heads ng Live, Sobrang Fanatic ako nun and that time nagaaral na ako ng guitara nun particularly mga songs nila. Technically hindi pa ako ganun ka enhance at ka update about sa technology nun.

The Eheads was a great studio band, but when I used to watch them around 1998-2000 there were pretty sloppy live. My favorite quote from Raimund at the time (was "We suck live.") This is not to disparage them as musicians, but they did fall into a rut around this time and didn't practice that much.

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Re: Magaling sa recording, sabit-sabit sa live.
« Reply #60 on: February 04, 2007, 07:55:26 PM »



+1000000000000000000

Haha. Nahuli siyang nag lilip sync dati di ba?  :lol:  :-P

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Re: Magaling sa recording, sabit-sabit sa live.
« Reply #61 on: February 04, 2007, 08:56:44 PM »
yeah sa saturday night live

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Re: Magaling sa recording, sabit-sabit sa live.
« Reply #62 on: February 05, 2007, 12:16:58 PM »
4 me HALE! tnong nu nlng s vox nla :-D
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Re: Magaling sa recording, sabit-sabit sa live.
« Reply #63 on: March 31, 2007, 12:22:02 PM »
i agree. yung mga punk/metal bands yung sumasablay pag live. kasi yung songs nila ay talagang draining ng boses at stamina. kaya pag naghe-head bang pa sila on stage tapos yung songs nila ay yung puro pasigaw, maya-maya wala na, pagod na. i saw dictalicense once. i couldn't understand their lyrics na nga, putol-putol pa yung songs nila kasi naka-3 or 2 songs na sila consecutive.

eheads din daw dati nung bago pa lang sila. my sister had a chance to see them dati on one of their college days gigs sa upd. super sintonado daw ni ely. pero as the eheads matured, medyo ok na raw. havent seen them live, pero my sister had, several times before.



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« Reply #64 on: March 31, 2007, 02:18:44 PM »
i agree. yung mga punk/metal bands yung sumasablay pag live. kasi yung songs nila ay talagang draining ng boses at stamina. kaya pag naghe-head bang pa sila on stage tapos yung songs nila ay yung puro pasigaw, maya-maya wala na, pagod na. i saw dictalicense once. i couldn't understand their lyrics na nga, putol-putol pa yung songs nila kasi naka-3 or 2 songs na sila consecutive.

eheads din daw dati nung bago pa lang sila. my sister had a chance to see them dati on one of their college days gigs sa upd. super sintonado daw ni ely. pero as the eheads matured, medyo ok na raw. havent seen them live, pero my sister had, several times before.



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not all punk/metal bands sucks live...

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Re: Magaling sa recording, sabit-sabit sa live.
« Reply #65 on: March 31, 2007, 10:03:59 PM »
Kung iba sa recording at iba sa live.... SANDWICH NA TO!!!  :lol:

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Re: Magaling sa recording, sabit-sabit sa live.
« Reply #66 on: April 01, 2007, 12:12:06 AM »
i agree. yung mga punk/metal bands yung sumasablay pag live. kasi yung songs nila ay talagang draining ng boses at stamina. kaya pag naghe-head bang pa sila on stage tapos yung songs nila ay yung puro pasigaw, maya-maya wala na, pagod na. i saw dictalicense once. i couldn't understand their lyrics na nga, putol-putol pa yung songs nila kasi naka-3 or 2 songs na sila consecutive.

eheads din daw dati nung bago pa lang sila. my sister had a chance to see them dati on one of their college days gigs sa upd. super sintonado daw ni ely. pero as the eheads matured, medyo ok na raw. havent seen them live, pero my sister had, several times before.



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not all punk/metal bands sucks live...


yeah, sorry. not all punk/metal bands suck live. masyado kong nageneralized yung statement ko.  :-P



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Re: Magaling sa recording, sabit-sabit sa live.
« Reply #67 on: April 01, 2007, 02:30:42 AM »
pde b foreign?hehe

MR. BIG - mas nagagalingan ako sa live kesa recording

TOTO - magaling sa live at recording

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Re: Magaling sa recording, sabit-sabit sa live.
« Reply #68 on: April 01, 2007, 10:11:09 PM »
this is the opposite of what this forum is about: bands that do good live.

itchyworms, magaling. nakakadala.  :mrgreen:

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Re: Magaling sa recording, sabit-sabit sa live.
« Reply #69 on: April 01, 2007, 11:30:07 PM »
Hale! piyok naman lagi si Champ eh.. at tsaka Mayonaisse. well, paminsan lang.. at tsaka Hilera! haaay nako.. ang bulok ng boses nun talaga. :x

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Re: Magaling sa recording, sabit-sabit sa live.
« Reply #70 on: April 02, 2007, 11:27:09 AM »
Spongecola!
Hale!
 Ox sila sa recording, TAOB naman sa live...

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« Reply #71 on: April 02, 2007, 11:28:59 AM »
eh sa tugtugan ng hilera hindi naman ata kelangan ng magandang boses...

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« Reply #72 on: April 02, 2007, 12:04:12 PM »
eh sa tugtugan ng hilera hindi naman ata kelangan ng magandang boses...
i dunno.. para sakin hindi masyadong maganda yung boses niya tuwing live. and i think it's needed if you want to see or hear a good band.

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« Reply #73 on: April 02, 2007, 07:32:30 PM »
Hale! piyok naman lagi si Champ eh.. at tsaka Mayonaisse. well, paminsan lang.. at tsaka Hilera! haaay nako.. ang bulok ng boses nun talaga. :x

kahit naman sa recording panget boses ni champ e. ngongo. kainis. :evil:



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« Reply #74 on: April 02, 2007, 07:55:27 PM »
try nyo manood ng gigs ng orange n lemons.. malinis sila as in "cd quality" wag lang ulit mangagaya..  :-D