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Title: Cymbals: To clean/Not to clean
Post by: omnicloud7 on April 10, 2010, 09:47:48 PM

Saw this in other forums, Na-intriga ako sa topic! :lol: They say that the patina's what makes the cymbal age, giving it a new tone and sound. Napapansin ko nga rin talaga na a cymbal does sound much more darker and richer as it ages, some prefer this, siguro mostly Jazz drummers, kasi mas nagbleblend na talaga yung tunog nung cymbal. Plus we should never underestimate the power of the stick, nagmemellow yung cymbal dahil lumalambot kahit papaano yung alloy nung cymbals over time due to hitting, ano sa tingin niyo?

After cleaning cymbals, I also do notice that it begins to sound brighter again, siguro kasi yung mga dirt na nastuck sa mga grooves nung cymbal nawala na? so mas madami ng vibrations and attack. Bumabalik yung shimmer! Mas loud na siya ulet.

I always hated that "new cymbal" sound, mas prefer ko yung "aged/darker" sound it produces after time. Just wanted to get your insights mga sir. Let's make this a fun and interesting topic. Thanks!  :-)

Title: Re: Cymbals: To clean/Not to clean
Post by: redvillain on April 10, 2010, 10:21:38 PM

same here, i dont personally go for the NEW cymbal sound kasi malakas tlga, but in the other end hindi ko rin nmn gusto na masyadong dark ung sound niya, so i clean it lightly hehehe so that it would sound somewhere in between.

Title: Re: Cymbals: To clean/Not to clean
Post by: bonzter on April 11, 2010, 12:07:12 AM

Sa akin naman,I dont clean the traditionally made cymbals, like the K's but for the Brilliant, nililinis ko talaga, kasi mawawala ang character ng pagiging clear and bright and tunog ng brilliant cymbals.

Title: Re: Cymbals: To clean/Not to clean
Post by: NiardicA on April 11, 2010, 08:16:05 AM

Z Customs kasi ako (Primary aquired cymbals Z Custom Dynobeat hats, 19 Proj Crash).... must clean talaga... brilliant finish trip ko...

Title: Re: Cymbals: To clean/Not to clean
Post by: plep on April 11, 2010, 08:20:04 AM

i don't clean mine. i don't care how my cymbals look, just how they sound, and some cymbals do sound better when left to build up a nice patina. there are some, though, that don't really sound all that different whether clean or not--my 18" AAXplosion, for one. at dahil as good if not better ang tunog pag madumi ang cymbal, di ko na sila nililinis.

nakakatipid ako sa pera dahil hindi ko kailangan bumili ng kung anu-anong cleaning products, hindi ko pa kailangan magkandahirap linisin ang mga pahirapan linisin. pasok na pasok ang hindi paglinis ng cymbals sa pagiging kuripot at tamad ko hahaha

Title: Re: Cymbals: To clean/Not to clean
Post by: redvillain on April 11, 2010, 12:29:10 PM

well since nasa cleaning thread na rin tayo, do you think soaking the cymbal in coke will remove the dirt?

Title: Re: Cymbals: To clean/Not to clean
Post by: NiardicA on April 11, 2010, 12:35:24 PM

to clean.. pero not exactly brilliant... hahaha ang hirap at nakakatamad mag kuskos...

hangang ganyan lang kaya ko..

Newly aquired Zildjian 14" Dynobeat hats... pati Z logo nilagyan ko... hahaha
(http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t210/UpGrade_2007/hats4.jpg?t=1270959868)
(http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t210/UpGrade_2007/hats2.jpg?t=1270960056)
(http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t210/UpGrade_2007/hats.jpg?t=1270960091)

hahaha labo pics... as you can see di ko parin napa kintab..... dadalin ko na nga alng kai Autoexec.... hahaha

Title: Re: Cymbals: To clean/Not to clean
Post by: mambo on April 11, 2010, 08:26:37 PM

minsan pag bago nakaka oc rin dahil bago pa eh, ero minsan hinahayaan ko na lang. punas punas lang.hehe

Title: Re: Cymbals: To clean/Not to clean
Post by: omnicloud7 on April 12, 2010, 01:10:55 PM

Yung mga iba sa US, totoo nga talaga, binabaon nila yung cymbals nila sa lupa! Yung isang sikat na drummer daw for 2-3 years ata binabaon. grabe.  :lol:

Title: Re: Cymbals: To clean/Not to clean
Post by: imaginaryeric on April 12, 2010, 02:03:29 PM

Quote from: mambo on April 11, 2010, 08:26:37 PM

minsan pag bago nakaka oc rin dahil bago pa eh, ero minsan hinahayaan ko na lang. punas punas lang.hehe

Actually totoo ito. Nakaka-OC mga fingerprints sa bagong cymbal, lalo na pag hindi mo fingerprints. Pero in time, I realized, WTH, stick with the program and let it age.

So hindi ko na pinupunasan yung cymbals ko. :D

Title: Re: Cymbals: To clean/Not to clean
Post by: wilpredo on April 12, 2010, 07:58:44 PM

ako brilliant cymbals lang nililinis ko like a customs kasi OC ako sa finger prints and stick marks  :lol:  pero yung dark crash ko di ko na nililinis  :-)

Title: Re: Cymbals: To clean/Not to clean
Post by: redvillain on April 12, 2010, 08:49:17 PM

Quote from: omnicloud7 on April 12, 2010, 01:10:55 PM

Yung mga iba sa US, totoo nga talaga, binabaon nila yung cymbals nila sa lupa! Yung isang sikat na drummer daw for 2-3 years ata binabaon. grabe.  :lol:

parang sand blasting pre, ung ride ni benny greb ung sand ride.

Title: Re: Cymbals: To clean/Not to clean
Post by: jake z on April 13, 2010, 01:29:53 PM

I wonder kung ano itsura ng cymbals kapag na sand blast. :?

Title: Re: Cymbals: To clean/Not to clean
Post by: mambo on April 13, 2010, 01:48:27 PM

Quote from: jake zulueta on April 13, 2010, 01:29:53 PM

I wonder kung ano itsura ng cymbals kapag na sand blast. :?

diba yung meinl na ride ni benny greb naka sandblast?

Title: Re: Cymbals: To clean/Not to clean
Post by: jake z on April 13, 2010, 02:39:20 PM

pa post naman ng pic sir nun ride... byzance ba?

Title: Re: Cymbals: To clean/Not to clean
Post by: omnicloud7 on April 13, 2010, 02:57:09 PM

Ito yung Meinl Sand Ride Benny Greb Sig. Sa video sinabi niya na kaya sinandblast kasi yun talaga habol niya, yung "aged" effect. :lol:

(http://img3.musiciansfriend.com/dbase/pics/products/3/9/2/618392.jpg)

Title: Re: Cymbals: To clean/Not to clean
Post by: jake z on April 13, 2010, 03:20:52 PM

Quote from: omnicloud7 on April 13, 2010, 02:57:09 PM

Ito yung Meinl Sand Ride Benny Greb Sig. Sa video sinabi niya na kaya sinandblast kasi yun talaga habol niya, yung "aged" effect. :lol:

(http://img3.musiciansfriend.com/dbase/pics/products/3/9/2/618392.jpg)

byzance nga... ang cute. parang semi brilliant finish.hehe. e pano yung mga vault cymbals ng sabian? di ba nakabaon din yun?

Title: Re: Cymbals: To clean/Not to clean
Post by: mambo on April 13, 2010, 03:28:35 PM

Quote from: omnicloud7 on April 13, 2010, 02:57:09 PM

Ito yung Meinl Sand Ride Benny Greb Sig. Sa video sinabi niya na kaya sinandblast kasi yun talaga habol niya, yung "aged" effect. :lol:

(http://img3.musiciansfriend.com/dbase/pics/products/3/9/2/618392.jpg)

haha kulit nung benny greb na prang simpson inspired na caricature. hehe

Title: Re: Cymbals: To clean/Not to clean
Post by: archraven_012 on April 15, 2010, 02:36:38 AM

sa akin din di ko nililimis masyado....mas maganda sa akin yun lalo na sa mga gig ko...

Title: Re: Cymbals: To clean/Not to clean
Post by: redvillain on April 18, 2010, 07:58:01 AM

hanep din yang ride ni benny greb, pwera pa sa aged effect gusto niya crashable siya, tapos ung bell somewhere parang bell ng mga heavy rides then pagka nag rride siya ung dating medyo bright... man this is one flexible cymbal!

Title: Re: Cymbals: To clean/Not to clean
Post by: mahikawon666 on April 18, 2010, 09:49:51 AM

Quote from: NiardicA on April 11, 2010, 12:35:24 PM

to clean.. pero not exactly brilliant... hahaha ang hirap at nakakatamad mag kuskos...

hangang ganyan lang kaya ko..

Newly aquired Zildjian 14" Dynobeat hats... pati Z logo nilagyan ko... hahaha
(http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t210/UpGrade_2007/hats4.jpg?t=1270959868)
(http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t210/UpGrade_2007/hats2.jpg?t=1270960056)
(http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t210/UpGrade_2007/hats.jpg?t=1270960091)

hahaha labo pics... as you can see di ko parin napa kintab..... dadalin ko na nga alng kai Autoexec.... hahaha

congrats sa cymbals mo di ko lang nabutan yun binibenta mo....sayang mura p

Title: Re: Cymbals: To clean/Not to clean
Post by: cs_mapper on April 20, 2010, 12:38:15 PM

nung kapanahunan ko sa drums mas gusto ko super clean mga cymbals ko kasi nasa rock/metal/grunge/  band ako kaya i need all the penetration/attack, longer decay, brilliance etc etc sa mga cymbals ko. i even use a power ride para mas makapal pa rin yung background shimmer yet washy yet with a little warmth tonality wise hehe pag ride ako sa bandang gitna at super loud naman pag nag ride ako sa bell and bombastic ang tunog pag nag-crash ako dun hehe. Paiste rules tlga for rock drumming afaic!!! yung EFX cymbal ko ang lupit ang liit pero ang ingay sarap magaksento dun hehe!

kapag pinuntahan ko sa tata boy lopez (RIP my friend) sa bandang angeles ayun hehe
sarap pakkingan mga super vintage cymbals nya (malinis sila pero di na makintab) na swak na swak tlga pag nag jazz sila lalu na pag swing or fast be-bop jazz. ok din sa mga classic pop/rock tunes.
trip din nya magbaon ng cymbals sa lupa kaso ninakaw daw yung 3 ride and crash cymbals nya na sana after a year gagamitin na sana nya hehe.

Title: Re: Cymbals: To clean/Not to clean
Post by: shaun_kuyukot on April 21, 2010, 11:23:54 AM

The dark sounding cymbals, After using I just use a cotton cloth to get the moisture and maybe sweat after playing.

For the Brilliant finish cymbals - I use a cymbals cleaner, To get that bright cutting sound.

I really depends on you. Hahaha.

Wala naman rules sa drums eh.  :-D

Title: Re: Cymbals: To clean/Not to clean
Post by: Gep on April 21, 2010, 02:00:29 PM

Quote from: cs_mapper on April 20, 2010, 12:38:15 PM

kapag pinuntahan ko sa tata boy lopez (RIP my friend) sa bandang angeles ayun hehe
sarap pakkingan mga super vintage cymbals nya (malinis sila pero di na makintab) na swak na swak tlga pag nag jazz sila lalu na pag swing or fast be-bop jazz. ok din sa mga classic pop/rock tunes.
trip din nya magbaon ng cymbals sa lupa kaso ninakaw daw yung 3 ride and crash cymbals nya na sana after a year gagamitin na sana nya hehe.

I was lucky enough to own one of sir Boy's cymbals. I bought his 70's Avedis 21" Medium Ride.
Pero binenta ko na rin kay herbiboy.
I might reconsider buying it back.

Title: Re: Cymbals: To clean/Not to clean
Post by: hen8 on May 30, 2010, 02:34:33 PM

ano mga panlinis niyo sa cymbals niyo?  :-D

Title: Re: Cymbals: To clean/Not to clean
Post by: omnicloud7 on May 30, 2010, 04:37:55 PM

Quote from: hen8 on May 30, 2010, 02:34:33 PM

ano mga panlinis niyo sa cymbals niyo?  :-D

We all have different ways. :lol:

Check them out here: Cymbal care and maintenance thread
http://talk.philmusic.com/board/index.php/topic,10612.0.html

Title: Re: Cymbals: To clean/Not to clean
Post by: hungryperformance on May 30, 2010, 09:15:14 PM

sa brilliant finish dapat talaga linisin, kaso tamad lng ako maglinis.. :-D

Title: Re: Cymbals: To clean/Not to clean
Post by: Akira JUMBO on June 19, 2012, 11:51:36 AM

I prefer uncleaned cymbals. I am a fan of dirty cymbals with patina especially the hammering of the rides. I just wipe all my pies from time to time; it's a great way to preserve their logos as well.

Title: Re: Cymbals: To clean/Not to clean
Post by: gss on June 19, 2012, 01:29:39 PM

Due to the uncertanties of finding the "appropriate" cleaning method/technique, my cymbals ended up as uncleaned. I'm starting to like the aged look... :)

Title: Re: Cymbals: To clean/Not to clean
Post by: Sherwin_xx2002 on June 19, 2012, 03:00:19 PM

Parang mas gaganda ang tunog ng cymbals pag hindi nalilinisan....  :)

Title: Re: Cymbals: To clean/Not to clean
Post by: skunkyfunk on June 19, 2012, 08:02:44 PM

Gunk = changes tone.
Cleaning gunk = changes tone (for better or worse; depends on your ears)

Title: Re: Cymbals: To clean/Not to clean
Post by: michael.astigin on October 11, 2013, 10:11:13 AM

2nd hand lang yung cymbals ko nung nabili ko kaya nung umpisa madalas ko siya nililinis
pero sa ngayon kapag may gig na lang
minsan hindi pa
importante din se na malinis at magandang tingnan ang mga gamit mo

Title: Re: Cymbals: To clean/Not to clean
Post by: kimpoy19 on October 12, 2013, 04:57:12 PM

may kakilala akong may nagmamay-ari ng k dark custom set na zidjian. ung medium ride nya eh hindi niya nililinis because may gusto niya yung dark and heavy sound for jazz musics pero yung hats and crash niya lang yung nililinis (not totally bright). It's a very nice combination for that set. sa ngayon, nagpalit siya ng hats, ginawa niyang A custom para may lighter sound.

In my part naman, may gusto ko yung nililinis esp sa crash ang high hats, gusto ko kasing mejo angat at mas clean ang tunog. yung sa ride naman, nalinis ku na yun kaso 1tym pa lang. hehe.. mas clean yung naging tunog at mas humaba yung vibration. hehe