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Title: 4 PIECE ARMY!!!
Post by: sandythedrummer on July 03, 2007, 12:52:17 PM
For all minimalist here, let's unite!!!! Seriously, do we need monstrous kit??? Hahaha!! Tabi-tabi po sa mga Portnoy Fans.
Reasons for going 4 Piece 1. I can keep everything closer to me. 2. I can play the ride with arms down. 3. Almost every Bar here in the Philippines have 4 piece set up. So i need to get used to it.
4 Piece Soldier Sandy Reporting Sir!!!
22" Kick 10" Rack tom 14" Floor tom Snare drum Varies (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v731/sandyman/DSCN1942.jpg)
I also tried this very comfy set up. Ang wierd ng feel!!! (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v731/sandyman/DSCN0824.jpg)
Title: Re: 4 PIECE ARMY!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: drumster on July 03, 2007, 03:15:09 PM
The 4-piece kit is the staple set-up. More or less, almost all drumset drummers would go through this basic setup. Somehow, it's a classic, industry-standard setup.
I grew up using a 4-piece setup. My first kit was a 5-piece kit. But I removed the second rack tom. I thought that the 4-piece setup is the industry standard, is the most versatile, and it challenges me (up until now) to be creative out of a few pieces of drums. And I also like the fact that the ride cymbal can be positioned closer to me.
I still dream of having a multi-tom drumkit someday. But somehow, we will still come home and play on a basic, less-is-more 4-piece kit.
Title: Re: 4 PIECE ARMY!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Cris on July 03, 2007, 03:21:13 PM
tanong ko lang sir, ano po ba ung usual size ng mga toms sa four piece?? 14" at 16"? o 12" at 16"? pwede rin ba ung 12" at 14" parang fusion?
Title: Re: 4 PIECE ARMY!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: drumster on July 03, 2007, 03:34:59 PM
A traditional 4-piece drumkit consists of a 14" snare drum, a 13" rack tom, a 16" floor tom, and a bass drum.
Bass drum size varies. During the pre-war era, drumsets are actually contraptions made up of drums, cymbals and sound effects put together (hence the term trapset, or traps for short). The first drumsets were marching drums and stuff put together. Thanks to the invention of the bass drum pedal, the idea of a drummer playing many percussion instruments at the same time was born.
Going back to bass drum sizes... The first drumsets used those huge marching bass drums, which are more or less 28" in diameter. Drummers during the pre-war era got tired of lugging around huge bass drums, so they requested the drum manufacturers to make small bass drums. The 18" bass drums were introduced.
During the 60's, rock music became mainstream, and drummers want bigger drum sounds. 22" drum sizes became the industry standard since then.
Oops I got carried away... Nag-kwento na ako about bass drums. :-D Anyway...
Regarding the tom sizes... Currently, choice of tom sizes is up to the drummer's preference and/or the style of music. It can be a 12" rack/16" floor combo, or a 12"/14", or a 10"/14", or a 10"/16", or a 13"/18"... It depends! There are no written rules to follow. 8-)
Title: Re: 4 PIECE ARMY!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Cris on July 04, 2007, 09:28:58 PM
waw galeng.. thank you sir sa info... :lol:
Title: Re: 4 PIECE ARMY!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: otep on July 04, 2007, 09:57:09 PM
haha ako din eh
4pc din ako ngaun hehe, kasi yun nga napansin ko, halos lahat ng church na natutugtugan namin 4 pc lang ang kit,
saka i agree with sir dio, im challenging my self myself to be musical with minimal things,
4 now my set up is
20" bass drum 12" tom 16" floor tom 14" snare
18" and 16" crash 14" hats
before eto set up ko e
20" bass drum 10" tom 12"tom 13" tom 16" floor tom
16(2x) and 18 crashes 10" splash 18" china
haha medyo minimal talaga ako ngayon hehe
Title: Re: 4 PIECE ARMY!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: glynminded on July 05, 2007, 01:40:31 AM
Back then I always used a 5 piece kit... I remember when we had gigs and the setup was a 4 piece... I always asked for the missing rack tom... It always pissed off the technician coz they would go find it in some storage room ahahaha... the transition of the hands with the toms far from each other was very difficult for me... that was until the time I grew up more and I learned to do much more creative fills that didn't need all the toms... that's when I decided to go 4-piece... ahaha... now everytime there's a gig and the setup is a 5 piece, I would remove the second rack tom ahaha... sometimes it still pisses the technicians coz I bother them "tol pakitabi naman kung saan baka mawala" ahahaha... back then I really enjoyed with a 5 piece, now I enjoy playing with 4 piece.
Title: Re: 4 PIECE ARMY!!!
Post by: greysky on July 05, 2007, 03:26:00 AM
same setup here im also using a 4 piece setup and yes, one of my reason also is to keep the ride closer to me :-D
Title: Re: 4 PIECE ARMY!!!
Post by: daemonite on July 05, 2007, 08:50:10 AM
Wow, so most of us using the Traditional set-up wants the ride closer....
Pwede naman mag5 piece na malapit ang ride, parang naka-floor na rin yung mid-tom.
Eto nga rin pala set-up ko sa bahay
22" BD 10" Tom 16" Floor tom 14" Snare
14" Zbt Pro Hi-hats 20" Zbt Pro Ride
yung crash ko nevermind na lang hehehe....
Title: Re: 4 PIECE ARMY!!!
Post by: RazeLJoeY on July 05, 2007, 02:06:49 PM
i agree with daemonite..
22" Bass 10" Tom 14" Snare 16" Floor Tom naman ako.. *im planning to hang my 13" tom beside the floor tom..parang set-up ng DDrums pero instead of 14" tom e 13" tom lang..ganun..
Hi-hats, Crash and Ride..
for me naman i like less drums and more cymbals.. kaso kulang pa ung cymbals ko e..ipon pa ko..
Title: Re: 4 PIECE ARMY!!!
Post by: Bammbamm on July 05, 2007, 02:49:17 PM
My thumbs were sored from setting up my drum kit this morning, and it took me 3 hours before I was able to sound-test....not yet finished until now. :-P.... with my cybals stands....
feels like I wanna join this army! :-D
Title: Re: 4 PIECE ARMY!!!
Post by: in_the_tent on July 05, 2007, 03:04:46 PM
i'm in.:)
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Post by: intake on July 05, 2007, 04:44:59 PM
i think im slowly turning into the 4 piece army..
i have to admit, i can play alot easier!
pero...ala eh trip ko parin talaga 6 piece
pag gig siguro 4 piece para less hassle
Title: Re: 4 PIECE ARMY!!!
Post by: RazeLJoeY on July 05, 2007, 05:42:47 PM
tama si intake..masmadali nga pumalo pag simple ang set..
count me in..
Title: Re: 4 PIECE ARMY!!!
Post by: alvin_11 on July 05, 2007, 07:29:32 PM
yeah mga pare..pasensya na sa pag epal ko pero 4pcs. din ang set up ko
22" bass drum 14" snare 14" floor tom 10" rack tom
cymbals: ride (kasing baba nung floor tom, mga 2' lang ang angat sa floor tom) crash 18" sa taas ng ride crash hats..
Title: Re: 4 PIECE ARMY!!!
Post by: cymor on July 05, 2007, 07:41:43 PM
I myself am using a 4 piece kit...but 2 cymbals only Hatz and a Crash..pati po tambourine.. (http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/8354/dsc00199qa3.jpg) tapos nakatambak lng po ung isa kong tOM...wahehe
Title: Re: 4 PIECE ARMY!!!
Post by: peeves24 on July 06, 2007, 02:04:07 PM
im very proud to say that im a true blue 4-piece army card carrying member
bago-bago pa B8's ko nyan... mitello yung drum set ko (generic na, 2nd hand pa) na pinalitan ko lang yung balat.
Title: Re: 4 PIECE ARMY!!!
Post by: jefisipbata on September 26, 2007, 03:18:28 PM
same here.. 4 piece, mas simple...dati nagagalit pa utol ko pag inaalis ko yung isang rack tom (sa kanya kase yung drumset), hanggang sa napagod din sya kakabalik ng toms...yun, ngaun 4 piece na din sya...
Title: Re: 4 PIECE ARMY!!!
Post by: dreamtheaterfan66f on September 26, 2007, 04:18:09 PM
gusto ko nga masanay nito e. kc un nga usualy mga house kits 4 piece lng kng d man nsa baba ung isang rack tom. bihira ako mkkta ng my traditional na 5 piece na nsa taas tlg ung rack toms. nagpost nga ko sa pinoydrums na yahoo group dti kng pano masanay sa four piece e. nagstart kc tlg ko sa 5 piece and gusto ko tlg ng 7 or 8 piece un ang ideal set ko. pero gusto ko masanay sa 4. tma un nkakachallenge tlg pg 4 piece. sarap cgro kng sanay ka sa 4 piece tpos basic setup lng pti cymbals. hats crash and ride.
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Title: Re: 4 PIECE ARMY!!!
Post by: bugoy on September 26, 2007, 10:02:56 PM
pero hindi sakin yung bass drum hehehe hiram ko lang wala akong sariling bass drum :-D anglabo no ?
Title: Re: 4 PIECE ARMY!!!
Post by: manson on September 28, 2007, 09:48:20 AM
hello. Sir drumster I got a question.
Since math in an integral part of drumming or music for that matter. what would be the effects of using a 5 piece kit compared to a 4 piece? I mean 5 is a prime number so does that affect your overall drum "vocabulary" compared to a 4 piece set up? or even a 7 piece kit? just a thought... :-D
Title: Re: 4 PIECE ARMY!!!
Post by: drumster on September 28, 2007, 06:25:59 PM
Hey bro manson!
Hmm I think it doesn't matter that significantly, in terms of drumming vocabulary. It just depends on what you play on the drumkit and how you play it. Even with just a single snare drum, there are so many possible things to play on that single piece of instrument, whether viewed in a mathematical, rudimental, artistic, or musical aspect. Same goes for, say, a hi-hat. Or a kick and snare. Or a kick and snare and hat. Or a ride and hat. And so forth. Or even on a Bozzio-style monster kit!
So, the effect of using a 5-piece kit compared to a 4-piece kit? With a 5-piece kit, you simply have one more voice or instrument, which is often an additional tom.
But there are some who have far-out thinking regarding drum setups and its relation with numbers, such as Danny Carey of Tool. I read one of his old Modern Drummer interviews, and he said his drum set-up has a sense of balance due to his 5 toms (his old Roto-tom counted) and his 6 electronic pads. Five represents masculinity and six represents femininity... Something like that. Strange. :-D
From the Tool site - http://www.toolband.com/identity/index.html
"Danny then set up his drums into proportions utilizing the circle and square of the New Jerusalem and uttered a short prayer relating to the principles of the ace of swords from the book of Thoth. He then performed a ritual utilizing his new found knowledge of the unicursal hexagram to generate a pattern of movement in space relating to Fuller's vector equilibrium model."
Yes, the awesome Danny Carey is quite a strange man. 8-)
Title: Re: 4 PIECE ARMY!!!
Post by: grendil8 on September 30, 2007, 12:49:07 PM
tama ka, most of bars here in phil using 4 piece.. [ice cream] talaga, 1 time tumugtug ako, 4 piece lang ung drumset nila, nahirapan ako kasi sa studio na pinag praktisan namin 5 pcs or minsan 6 pcs.. sarap mag rolling db?
ask lang, di ba pag nag rorollings ka bitin kapag 2 toms lang?? ako bitin eh
Title: Re: 4 PIECE ARMY!!!
Post by: daemonite on September 30, 2007, 02:25:37 PM
tama ka, most of bars here in phil using 4 piece.. [ice cream] talaga, 1 time tumugtug ako, 4 piece lang ung drumset nila, nahirapan ako kasi sa studio na pinag praktisan namin 5 pcs or minsan 6 pcs.. sarap mag rolling db?
ask lang, di ba pag nag rorollings ka bitin kapag 2 toms lang?? ako bitin eh
same tayo ng iniisip. kahit na di pa ako masyadong marunong mag drums. iniisip ko rin pag 4-piece ang setup. :)
Title: Re: 4 PIECE ARMY!!!
Post by: manson on October 03, 2007, 08:10:26 PM
@drumster
yeah Im a HUGE danny carey fan. he has some far out ideas which are very intriguing. i heard once that he recorded in a room filled with helium. weirdo. hehe. thanks for the info. :-D
Title: Re: 4 PIECE ARMY!!!
Post by: drumster on October 03, 2007, 08:19:19 PM
^ You're welcome, bro manson.
Yeah that's true. They did that for their 10,000 Days album.
"One of the things I learned to do better record the high end was to completely flood the room with helium so the air is thinner than oxygen. It just created this transient high end for the cymbals to cut through better. Helium is lighter than air, so sound waves travel through it quicker."
- Danny Carey, Modern Drummer magazine, July 2006
I can now imagine people having a conversation in a helium-filled room. :-D
Title: Re: 4 PIECE ARMY!!!
Post by: drummer_boy17 on October 03, 2007, 08:52:04 PM
thanks sa mga info.. kahit mdyo matagal na akong nag du-drums.. nangangarap parin ako mgkaroon ng sariling kit :(
Title: Re: 4 PIECE ARMY!!!
Post by: RazeLJoeY on October 04, 2007, 07:04:15 PM
14"x5.5" Pearl Forum Snare (Remo Pinstripe Batter, Gretsch Stock Head Reso) 22" Bass Drum (Remo Encore Batter, Laser Stock Head Reso) 12" Lift Tom (Remo Encore Batter, Gretsch Stock Head Reso) 16" Floor Tom (Remo Encore Batter, Trak Stock Head Reso)
All rewrapped with Cream Wood Finish Vinyl Wrap and Transparent Glass Adhesive wrap
Cymbals
14" Zildjian ZHT Hi-Hats 20" Zildjian ZHT Medium Ride 16" Zildjian ZHT Medium Thin Crash 16" Zildjian ZXT Medium Thin Crash 10" Zildjian Edge Flash Splash 11" Zildjian Chinese Oriental Splash
Hardware
Heavy Duty Generic Hi-Hat Stand Heavy Duty Generic Boom Stand Heavy Duty Dady Boom Stand GIBRALTAR SC-4B Tension Rod (Snare) GIBRALTAR SC-15F Universal Bass Drum Pedal Spring (Bass Pedal) GIBRALTAR SC-4425B-1 Cymbal Boom Arm Ratchet Tilter (2pcs) GIBRALTAR SC-SPC Single Ball L-Rod Platform w/ Clamp GIBRALTAR SC-GCA Grabber Cymbal Arm GIBRALTAR SC-GPRMC Power Rack Multi Clamp (3pcs) GIBRALTAR SC-GRSMC Road Series Rack Multi Clamp (2pcs) 4Feet 1 1/2" Stainless Steel Pipe for Rack
Title: Re: 4 PIECE ARMY!!!
Post by: bugoy on October 04, 2007, 10:05:48 PM
diyan ba galing yung 13" na tom na binili ko sayo ? ganda ng set mo ah hehehe
Title: Re: 4 PIECE ARMY!!!
Post by: RazeLJoeY on October 04, 2007, 10:10:06 PM
diyan ba galing yung 13" na tom na binili ko sayo ? ganda ng set mo ah hehehe
haha uu pre..thank you..
Title: Re: 4 PIECE ARMY!!!
Post by: bloodshedd on October 05, 2007, 11:35:28 PM
Yung drummer din namin is getting used sa 4-piece kit which I really like in live performance situations because a lot of venues nowadays utilize that setup. Dati kasi pag hindi 5-piece yung setup eh parang napilayan yung drummer namin....at least ngayon eh kamado na sya...
Though sa recording eh 5-piece fusion-type kit pa rin ang ipapagamit ko sa kanya para mas me variety sound-wise... I love those long tom rolls eh!!!
Title: Re: 4 PIECE ARMY!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: cs_mapper on October 06, 2007, 12:27:42 AM
I still dream of having a multi-tom drumkit someday. But somehow, we will still come home and play on a basic, less-is-more 4-piece kit.
Trust me the 4 piece is still the greatest set up afaic. Of course pag natikman mo na malaking set up babalikan mo pa rin ang 4 pc in the long run.
Title: Re: 4 PIECE ARMY!!!
Post by: inigo on December 10, 2007, 11:21:01 AM
Buhayin ko lang...
I played the first time sa 19 East this weekend and used their semi-monster kit... and I sucked big time. I was so used to the 4-piece, hat-crash-ride set up that when I sat on their kit, nalito ako kung ano papaluin every time. Plus, I was so busy thinking about what to hit (and what not to hit) with my hands, that nadadapa ako with my feet!
I guess it pays to get used to BOTH stripped down and fully-loaded drum kits.
Title: Re: 4 PIECE ARMY!!!
Post by: maplesyrup on December 10, 2007, 01:10:36 PM
oks 4pc kit.. konti lang papaluin! ako nasanay ako sa 4pc dahil wen i start drumming im so into dave grohl. kaya pati kit nya ginagaya ko! pero now.. nagsasanay nako ng 5-7 kit set up wala lang.. nakakapanibago kasi pag umupo ka sa maraming toms.. natatanga ka minsan kung ano papaluin!hehehehe! yun lang! bow
Title: Re: 4 PIECE ARMY!!!
Post by: Akira JUMBO on December 10, 2007, 08:41:49 PM
I played the first time sa 19 East this weekend and used their semi-monster kit... and I sucked big time. I was so used to the 4-piece, hat-crash-ride set up that when I sat on their kit, nalito ako kung ano papaluin every time. Plus, I was so busy thinking about what to hit (and what not to hit) with my hands, that nadadapa ako with my feet!
I guess it pays to get used to BOTH stripped down and fully-loaded drum kits.
Very helpful information! Thanks for sharing Inigo! :wink:
Title: Re: 4 PIECE ARMY!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: drumster on December 11, 2007, 03:02:28 AM
I played the first time sa 19 East this weekend and used their semi-monster kit... and I sucked big time. I was so used to the 4-piece, hat-crash-ride set up that when I sat on their kit, nalito ako kung ano papaluin every time. Plus, I was so busy thinking about what to hit (and what not to hit) with my hands, that nadadapa ako with my feet!
I guess it pays to get used to BOTH stripped down and fully-loaded drum kits.
The first drums that i played was a 5 pc kit. I'm not saying that the kit was ugly or hindi cya maganda. I just did not fell in love with it. As well as the monster kits. But when i saw a 4 piece set, it was love at first sight and I dreamed of having one. Now, i have a 4 piece kit and I'm very contented and happy with it. Yes, I'm having troubles sa mga gig kung 5 pc or larger kits ang gagamitin ko. I'm being rattled what to hit and it was stressful for me. To deal with it, i always bring with me my drum key and remove the extra tom.
Title: Re: 4 PIECE ARMY!!!
Post by: Eni on January 13, 2008, 07:39:01 PM
sali po. :lol: (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v71/enieka27/DSC00032.jpg) mas malinaw..
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Post by: cs_mapper on January 13, 2008, 09:48:29 PM
iba tlga pag 4 piece lang. parang simple lang pero di rin.
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Post by: plep on January 14, 2008, 12:47:07 PM
ako best of both worlds... binaba ko yung 13" tom ko, parang floor tom na siya. merong accessibility/ease of use ng 4-piece, variety of sounds ng 5-piece.
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Post by: efixtar on January 31, 2008, 12:15:57 PM
sarap mgrockout sa 4pc hehe pti no offense sa mga 5pc/bigkits.. hindi naman din kasi lahat ng toms at cymbals nagagamit aun hehe peaceout :lol:
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Post by: Paolo-I-b on January 31, 2008, 12:25:05 PM
^are you sure about that, sir?
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Post by: rhanen28 on January 31, 2008, 08:36:04 PM
ako din try ko na rin mag 4 piece hindi ako makapag decide kung 12 or 13" ang tatangalin kong toms
Title: Re: 4 PIECE ARMY!!!
Post by: phfreq on November 09, 2009, 11:10:50 AM
4 piece army drum line :-)
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Title: Re: 4 PIECE ARMY!!!
Post by: killikillers on November 09, 2009, 11:25:49 AM
same here.. 4 piece, mas simple...dati nagagalit pa utol ko pag inaalis ko yung isang rack tom (sa kanya kase yung drumset), hanggang sa napagod din sya kakabalik ng toms...yun, ngaun 4 piece na din sya...
same here, kahit pag tumugtog sa bar inaalis ko talaga ung isang rack tom para magkaroon ng space para sa ride ko or sasalpakan ko ng boom arm depende sa kit
so far hindi pa ako nabibitin sa 4piece kit dahil may double peds naman to fill teh gaps
-- pero syempre wag kalimutang ibalik ung tom after tumugtog nakakahiya naman sa susunod na band :lol:
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Post by: Darel on November 10, 2009, 02:22:32 AM
1st kit ko (tama rockstar dx) 5 piece yun.. dun ako natuto. then one time sa isang gig, may drummer na nag suggest na pag aralan ko raw mag 4 piece na lang. kaya pala niya sinuggest yun, ayaw pala niya nagagalaw yung set up na gagamitin niya.. haha well, as the days goes by, nasanay ako sa 4 piece na set up dahil sa mga studio ganun lagi set-up nila. and nung may mall tour pa kami, ganung set-up lang gamit ko, (para bawas buhat na rin.) Ngayon na lang ako nag maraming toms dahil mas gusto ko ngayon maraming nagagawang fills. hehe..
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Post by: kimpoy19 on November 10, 2009, 12:23:06 PM
Sa Church namin, binago ko yung set-up ko. 4 piece na, Nasira kasi yung 13" ko. Hindi panaman ako sanay ng ganun. Pero wala akong magagawa. Aantayin ko nalang bumili ng Bago yung church.