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Re: True Acoustic Tone
« Reply #750 on: April 17, 2008, 12:15:31 PM »
mga sir ano po ba type ng lr baggs na pwede sa artcore hollowbody.

yung tipong piezo pick up na ginanagamit ng contrabass players na di na kaylangan ng on board eq sa mismong guitar?

thanks po in advance :-)

mas mganda ang K & K pickups vs lrbaggs. If you want an UST, try the Highlander IP-52 (check the number, i am not sure of this #)
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« Reply #751 on: April 17, 2008, 12:27:47 PM »
One man's junk is another man's treasure...

A few weeks ago, I chanced upon this ugly duckling at a garage sale. The moment I saw it I knew I was going to buy it - dusty sound cavity, rusty strings and all. Heck, I didn't even bother to play it. Just gave it a once-over and when I was certain there were no structural damage, I brought home an MIJ '73 Tokai Hummingbird Custom W-300...

Scarred as it is, it sounds marvelous - the best sounding 70s MIJ I've played and heard. Definitely solid top (spruce) and from the way it projects, vibrates and resonates, solid back and sides as well (rosewood). Some Tokai Registry forumites speculate that this model's back and sides may even be made of...Brazilian Jacaranda. But even if it isn't, I still consider this a great catch. Got it very cheap too - Elixirs being sold in the local market cost a bit more :)

Definitely ugly, yet definitely beautiful :)

Aged guitars as such have already 'opened up' so expect an airy boom from it. The top looks cedar (which would give it a warm sound like classicals) because of the the darkened color, otherwise it must be oxidized (from age) spruce. The grains look IRW, a macro photo would reveal if it is Dalbergia Nigra. It looks beautiful!! and the sound, I would expect, as well....
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« Reply #752 on: April 17, 2008, 03:06:04 PM »
sir question lang po...

do applause uses solid wood as top?

i.e
AE247 applause adamas holes deep bowl...

solid spruce po ba?
or laminated ang tops ng applause...

un lang po
samalat ^__^
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« Reply #753 on: April 17, 2008, 03:51:56 PM »
mas mganda ang K & K pickups vs lrbaggs. If you want an UST, try the Highlander IP-52 (check the number, i am not sure of this #)

yung k & k po ba radius type na mic sytem? locally available ba siya?
tsaka ano po yung UST? Hehe.

may nagsuggest kasi sakin na contrabass player..tyr ko daw yung shure SM57.Balak ko kasi i-mic yung f-holes.thanks




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« Reply #754 on: April 18, 2008, 01:29:15 AM »
yung k & k po ba radius type na mic sytem? locally available ba siya?
tsaka ano po yung UST? Hehe.

may nagsuggest kasi sakin na contrabass player..tyr ko daw yung shure SM57.Balak ko kasi i-mic yung f-holes.thanks

K & K is a transducer type which you will glue to the underside of the bridge (bridgeplate). 3 pickups yan for lo/mid/hi areas ng bridge.

Ang Shure SM57 ay dynamic tight cardiode pattern microphone na ginagamit ng industry as standard for micing instruments. Highly used yan for drums.

The problem with micing a stringed instrument is 1) feedback; unless magaling ang EQ ng soundtech mo, forget about micing 2) can you imagine a mic larger than a tobacco attached to your guitar's F-hole??; unless naka steady ka lang at di ka gumagalaw while playing. 3) tight ang response ng SM57, kaya kung gumagalaw ka habang playing, at ma off-axis ang bato ng tunog ng f-hole mo, iba-iba ang mapipickup ng SM57. FORGET ABOUT micing a guitar in a regular environment!!




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Re: True Acoustic Tone
« Reply #755 on: May 09, 2008, 02:36:09 PM »
Guys, ask lang po..

May Zoom 505 for acoustic po ba?

or Zoom 504II lang talga?

and how much kaya yang ganyan na 2nd hand dito sa phil..

gusto ko po sana bumili ng Zoom504 for acoustic or kung meron mang 505[heheh]


kung meron po kayo for sale.. or may alam kau...
inform niu po ako please...
budget is mga 2k cguru...
kasi may nakita ako kaso sold na 2k ata 504.
di ko sure...

sana may tumulong...
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Re: True Acoustic Tone
« Reply #756 on: May 09, 2008, 02:46:36 PM »
Quote
Guys, ask lang po..

May Zoom 505 for acoustic po ba?

or Zoom 504II lang talga?

and how much kaya yang ganyan na 2nd hand dito sa phil..

gusto ko po sana bumili ng Zoom504 for acoustic or kung meron mang 505[heheh]

i had a zoom504II...for may acoustic...well natanggal lang naman yung natural sound ng acoustic ko. hehehe....kaya sa electric guitar ko nalang pinagamit sa churchmate ko. Nagpalit ako ng A2...masmaganda sya sa 504II ko. less na yung digital sounding. mas maraming tweaking at effects kang magagawa sa acoustic mo. kaya lang may hahanapin mo parin yung natural sound ng acoustic mo e. kaya balik ako sa acoustic without an affects.

suggestion lang po. pangdagdag mo nalang yan sa matinong acoustic. :D

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« Reply #757 on: May 09, 2008, 04:28:19 PM »
FOR K&K, GET THE MINI WESTERN IF YOU ARE INSTALLING IN AN ACOUSTIC STEEL.[/size][/color].

that's what i ordered and, finally, dadating na this month.

will be installing them in a Morris F20 (OM gtr).  if i like em, i'll buy more guitars to put em in.  ;-)

btw, in my last acoustic gig, i used Shadow quick mount transducer on the Morris.  in searching for 'better' pus, i've forgotten how competent these are.  they are MUCH BETTER THAN PIEZO by several orders of magnitude. ;-)


my fellow Jook Jam-mer ('messyhands' in this forum) built a DIY K&K clone for his 12 string.  maganda raw but i haven't heard it myself.  will report back here.
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« Reply #758 on: May 09, 2008, 04:34:39 PM »
@deltaslim

how much yung K&K for steel ?

ako kukuha ng shadow mo ah , just in case  :-D
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« Reply #759 on: May 09, 2008, 07:47:18 PM »
@deltaslim

how much yung K&K for steel ?

ako kukuha ng shadow mo ah , just in case  :-D

$86 ung K&K Pure Western Mini.  mas mura if you try to buy seconds via eBay, which is what messyhands did.

re Shadow, tignan natin how things turn out... these are very handy to keep around tho. ;-)

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« Reply #760 on: May 10, 2008, 04:53:02 AM »
Holy smokes, I just tried a 12-string Martin a few days ago and it made me want to buy one! I feel like I'm being sucked into the vortex that leads to the world of acoustic guitar GAS  :-o :-o

I also got to try a Taylor 12-string T5 and while its acoustic tone does sound good, I understand that it's not a pure acoustic guitar. Which 12-string models have you tried so far? And which particular model do you guys find the best among all of those that you have tried?

DISCLAIMER: I'm only asking. I don't have plans to buy... not just yet! :lol:
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« Reply #761 on: May 10, 2008, 08:02:43 AM »
Holy smokes, I just tried a 12-string Martin a few days ago and it made me want to buy one! I feel like I'm being sucked into the vortex that leads to the world of acoustic guitar GAS  :-o :-o

I also got to try a Taylor 12-string T5 and while its acoustic tone does sound good, I understand that it's not a pure acoustic guitar. Which 12-string models have you tried so far? And which particular model do you guys find the best among all of those that you have tried?

DISCLAIMER: I'm only asking. I don't have plans to buy... not just yet! :lol:

i have tried the 12 string Taylor - very nice. However, I prefer the sound of the Martin and Alvarez Yairi 12 strings. I tried a Guild too but that ended being too bright for my taste. I tried a Goodall and Greenfield too were really nice and tempting. A note about Greenfields...be careful, they may induce bad, bad GAS:) I'd like a 12 string but I don't see myself using them a lot except for doubling parts, however, I am in the market for a nice baritone. I am currently having an acoustic made by luthier, Andrew White, so if that project turns out well, I would like to look into getting a baritone from him. Greenfield has a nice baritone model but they are kinda pricey so i'd have to think long and hard about that investment......with a guitar at that pricetag, I;d better be writing gigging and writing more songs than I am now to justify the cost..lol
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« Reply #762 on: May 10, 2008, 09:34:06 AM »
For the country blues (Leadbelly, Blind Willie McTell, etc.) fanatics the best 12-strings are these:


http://www.fraulini.com/models.html


It's reported that these sound, look, and play closest to the original Stella 12s.





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« Reply #763 on: May 10, 2008, 09:39:42 AM »
For the country blues (Leadbelly, Blind Willie McTell, etc.) fanatics the best 12-strings are these:

It's reported that these sound, look, and play closest to the original Stella 12s.






wows...that one is a looker! If it does sound like a Stella, I'd love to hear it live.
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« Reply #764 on: May 10, 2008, 12:09:57 PM »
wows...that one is a looker! If it does sound like a Stella, I'd love to hear it live.

I know Alvin Youngblood Hart has a Fraulina 12string. I think it's the one he uses here for, what else, a traditional tune popularized by Leadbelly.

If that doesn't convince you, well perhaps just trust that there's some iota of truth in Paul Germania's hyperbole: ""It sounds more like a Stella than a Stella!"

Nga pala... Fraulini does a Stella 12string repro:
http://www.fraulini.com/leadbelly.html
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« Reply #765 on: May 10, 2008, 12:28:46 PM »
I know Alvin Youngblood Hart has a Fraulina 12string. I think it's the one he uses here for, what else, a traditional tune popularized by Leadbelly.

If that doesn't convince you, well perhaps just trust that there's some iota of truth in Paul Germania's hyperbole: ""It sounds more like a Stella than a Stella!"

Nga pala... Fraulini does a Stella 12string repro:
http://www.fraulini.com/leadbelly.html

thanks for the link! man, that was a treat. the thing certainly sounds like the stella's used in those old recordings. i've never seen a real one up close but this repro sounds awesome.
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« Reply #766 on: May 10, 2008, 12:44:33 PM »
thanks for the link! man, that was a treat. the thing certainly sounds like the stella's used in those old recordings. i've never seen a real one up close but this repro sounds awesome.

Your welcome, bro.

Would love to own one of these one day. Even if I wanted cheaper clones, wala din naman e. Habang nagiipon, I'll continue to build chops to live up to expectations that go with owning such an excellent and legendary instrument... all this before I announce that I'm going to New York...  ;-)  :-D   The thing with acoustics kasi is it's just you and your guitar; WYSIWIG, there's no hiding.  It's either sublime beauty or brutal honesty.  :-D

Btw, bro, if you're into custom built acoustics, I know there is a plan of a Stella floating around in the web. My friend in VA had one custom made by a luthier in Cebu. May sablay yung gawa pero up close kita mo agad ang ganda ng porma ng Stella 12 design. :-D   I think I kept a copy of the plan he emailed.  PM me your email addy.
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« Reply #767 on: May 10, 2008, 02:14:28 PM »
Your welcome, bro.

Would love to own one of these one day. Even if I wanted cheaper clones, wala din naman e. Habang nagiipon, I'll continue to build chops to live up to expectations that go with owning such an excellent and legendary instrument... all this before I announce that I'm going to New York...  ;-)  :-D   The thing with acoustics kasi is it's just you and your guitar; WYSIWIG, there's no hiding.  It's either sublime beauty or brutal honesty.  :-D

Btw, bro, if you're into custom built acoustics, I know there is a plan of a Stella floating around in the web. My friend in VA had one custom made by a luthier in Cebu. May sablay yung gawa pero up close kita mo agad ang ganda ng porma ng Stella 12 design. :-D   I think I kept a copy of the plan he emailed.  PM me your email addy.

i'll make sure to take a look at those plans. i've only built one acoustic so far and that was almost 10 years ago. since then, i've mainly built solidbodies but i've worked up a few ideas so maybe a stella would be a good way to get my feet wet again.

chops. yeah, it is always an ongoing process pero dahan dahan lang yan di ba? personally, i've been doing more fingerstyle these days because i don't exercise my techniques for it as much as i would like to. i write songs on acoustic but i usually perform them in a band setting with an electric. by using acoustics more i am also discovering a few bad habits that I need to change so that is yet another work in progress. i agree that the concept of WYSIWYG on acoustics really lets people see what you have to offer as a player and for songwriters performing solo, it is a great way to cut your teeth on the live circuit because you have to come up with inventive ways to keep the people interested.
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« Reply #768 on: May 12, 2008, 09:24:54 AM »
$86 ung K&K Pure Western Mini.  mas mura if you try to buy seconds via eBay, which is what messyhands did.

re Shadow, tignan natin how things turn out... these are very handy to keep around tho. ;-)

woah... ang mura naman ng K&K, i was expecting around $150 +

hmm.... now you got me thinking ..  :-D

re shadow, basta i'll be waiting on the side.  :-D
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« Reply #769 on: May 17, 2008, 10:45:11 PM »
Guys ask lang po...
im planning to buy[actually magtabi palang ng pambili]
 ng acoustic AMP

mga 30 watt lang po. dito nadin sa philm. kasi cant afford Bnew.

ano po ba magandang brand? and suggested model na acoustic AMP.
By the way my Guitar is applause AE247

mga magkano po kaya ang 30watt amp? pag 2nd hand dito[considering w/ good condition]

and anong amp po ba?
is it Laney acoustic amp[i.e]
? help po =(
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« Reply #770 on: May 23, 2008, 02:51:40 PM »
Question.. Ok lang ba magpalit-palit ng piezo ng acoustic guitar? I mean can we just pull-out a stock pickup of a Yamaha (actiVE)  and put a fishman piezo?
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« Reply #771 on: May 23, 2008, 03:35:44 PM »
i think pwede naman. unless yung piezo mu e naka attached sa din sa saddles.

you can plug the piezo sa on-board preamp ng acoustic mo kung meron, kung wala sa end pin jack mo i aattach
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« Reply #772 on: May 24, 2008, 03:39:26 PM »
Great knowledge. Thanks mr Dan :wink:
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« Reply #773 on: May 25, 2008, 01:41:51 AM »
unless sanay ka na gawin yan, mas safe siguro if sa luthier mo ipapagawa.  mejo delicate kasi ang acoustic guitars compared to electrics.  :-)
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« Reply #774 on: May 25, 2008, 02:09:20 AM »
Guys ask lang po...
im planning to buy[actually magtabi palang ng pambili]
 ng acoustic AMP

mga 30 watt lang po. dito nadin sa philm. kasi cant afford Bnew.

ano po ba magandang brand? and suggested model na acoustic AMP.
By the way my Guitar is applause AE247

mga magkano po kaya ang 30watt amp? pag 2nd hand dito[considering w/ good condition]

and anong amp po ba?
is it Laney acoustic amp[i.e]
? help po =(

since wala pang sumasagot ng tanong mo, ako na lang bro.  :-D

kung starter acoustic amp ang hanap mo, siguro pwede na yung 30-watts na Laney.  ang alam ko may nagbebenta ng Laney acoustic amp sa classifieds hanapin mo na lang.
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