actually i read different style ng pag tune na pero most of them applicable sa mga branded na drumset. i'm talking about fernando here. it's a case to case basis. sinunod ko yun nabasa ko pero still hindi ko napalabas yun sound na gusto ko that's why i'm asking for your suggestions maybe may alam kayo na maremedyohan fernando kit or based on your actual experience. medyo mahal kasi new drumset ngayon kaya i'm tryin na ayusin to anyway pangbahay lang naman at pang practise lang. pero syempre gusto ko din maging ok sound. :)
thanks for the suggestions man.
Quote from: bolshoiactually i read different style ng pag tune na pero most of them applicable sa mga branded na drumset. i'm talking about fernando here. it's a case to case basis. sinunod ko yun nabasa ko pero still hindi ko napalabas yun sound na gusto ko that's why i'm asking for your suggestions maybe may alam kayo na maremedyohan fernando kit or based on your actual experience. medyo mahal kasi new drumset ngayon kaya i'm tryin na ayusin to anyway pangbahay lang naman at pang practise lang. pero syempre gusto ko din maging ok sound. :)
thanks for the suggestions man.
maybe yung hanap mong tunog e hindi talaga kaya nung drumhead. you cant expect double plies/pinstripes to have highs while single ply heads like ambassadors wont give you much oomph.
i have encountered some drums that cant be tuned properly no matter what (like my 16" maya tom). the only solution is to recut the bearing edges.
Ok lahat ng mga suggestions sa thread na ito. Let's face it, ndi ganun kaganda ang quality ng drums ng Fernando lalo na yun old models. Kaya nga entry level lang sila eh. Supposedly yun ang type of drums for beginning drummers and as drummers progress so does their taste for better sounding drums.
To be practical try mo bumili ng earmuff. Yun ginagamit sa construction. A lot of drummers including myself use earmuffs for protection at it also enhances the bottom end or low frequencies. Lumalalim at nagakakaroon ng body yun tunog ng drums. Minsan kse sa mga gigs makakaencounter ka ng ndi maganda na drums. Kaya most drummers use the earmuffs para gumaganda ng konti yun sound and protection na rin. Try mo bro.
peace
yeah i saw those drum dials too... which again brings me to my next question... is it better to tune the drums tension wise rather than trying to tune it to a particular note? i mean lets say i got the tension on each lug of my 12" to lets say 12n/m(-1) then if i tune the 13 and 16 lugs at the same tension would they be in sync? i mean have that 1-2-5 thing going? next question would then be what tension/s would be best for a particular drum... (as i type this my mind goes...: well the answer to my question is personal preference) lol
i just went around a full circle... so lemme change this to guys help me TUNE my drums, my sizes are 12-13-16-22 14 snare, play alternative to rock... help :cry:
I believe that a drum will have an initial note when hit, after nun overtones na.
I use the ibanez metronome/tuner /w mic to know kung anong note yung nilalabas sa initial hit sa drum. I would tune by 3-4 notes (2 inch interval ang size ng toms). Its the same with a guitar string, may overtones pero may isang dominant note.
Prob ko, I couldn't get to tune the head by itself properly. Tsktsk.
Pao.M, di pa tayo nakakapagkita para dito. try mo. hehe. tapos turuan mo ko magdrums!
Sandy, sna marinig ko na drums mo! bummer, di pa din napapapalitan yung 16" floor ko.
I use the ibanez metronome/tuner /w mic to know kung anong note yung nilalabas sa initial hit sa drum. I would tune by 3-4 notes (2 inch interval ang size ng toms). Its the same with a guitar string, may overtones pero may isang dominant note.
^^^ kaw lang pao.m dito pre...pao.v ako :wink:
I believe that a drum will have an initial note when hit, after nun overtones na.
I use the ibanez metronome/tuner /w mic to know kung anong note yung nilalabas sa initial hit sa drum. I would tune by 3-4 notes (2 inch interval ang size ng toms). Its the same with a guitar string, may overtones pero may isang dominant note.
Prob ko, I couldn't get to tune the head by itself properly. Tsktsk.
Danny Carey: fairly tight. I'm going for definite pitches, and i like the drums to sing. i love sustain. I usually try to tune them to the triad of the songs we're recording. ninety percent of tool songs are in D, so i tune the toms D, F, and A. i try to hit the pitches of the triad because when they're in tune wth the songs, they sound bigger and fuller.
-pano ba mag-tune ng bass drum ng tama? - ung sakin kasi parang tunog nung sa parada masyadong malaki ung tunog.
-ano rin ba pedeng ilagay sa kwarto para di marinig ng kapit bahay?
-san ba merong mga tabs ng opm (esp. urbandub)?[/quote]
eh ung drumhead po sa unahan ng bass drum, nakakaapekto rin ba?
bakit nga pala ung ibang bass drum bay mga unan sa loob?
Tuning your drum from a specific note is a Bull. Sorry. A tom sound is composed of many frequencies. That's why there's what we call overtone coz some frequencies are not on the same scale. So the result is sound waves clashes together which gives you an annoying sound. The drum will sound with a specific note (Almost) if it has only one drumhead.
OH kala ko ba Maya ang iniskor mo?wow thanks.. pero gusto pa rin ang totoong ingay wahehe. tsetsempuhan ko na lang na wala ung kapit bahay namin.. (wala naman un sa umaga hanggang hapon eh..) hehehe :D
Anyway,palagay ko nang dalawa ang kit mo.Isa, pang practice,yung isa pang session.
Kung gusto mong Huwag madinig ng kapit-bahay nyo yung pang practice na kit mo,Gumamit ka ng Pearl Muffle Head,extreme silence to! Kahit Tatay mo sa kabilang kuwarto,di madidinig ang hataw mo!
Ang Pearl Muffle Head ay drumhead na parang stocking o net.Gawa ito sa nylon(siguro naka encounter ka na din nito,kulay black na screen)
Well,para magkaroon sya ng konting tunog, Iwan mong nkatono yung mga resonant heads ng kit mo,tapos yung Muffle head na pinaka batter head mo,isalpak mo at higpitan mo ng katulad ng natural na higpit ng mga batterheads para pareho ang talbog at feel.Lagyan mo ng Packaging tape sa gitna o gilid.
Mas maraming packaging tape na idikit,mas magre resonate ang drums(lalakas ang tunog)
Ito na lang ang alam kong PINAKAMURANG solution sa problema sa ingay.
Yun nga lang,di mo sya magagamit pang session sa band!Practisan lang talaga.
Ang point kasi dito,makapagpractice ka ng as natural as possible.Di kasi pwedeng hinaan ang palo,di rin advisable na takpan ng tela yung drums kasi mag iiba ang feel nito.
Yung cymbals,pwede dikitan mo din ng tissue paper para mabilis ang decay.
Ang ginawa ng mentor ko sa bass niya, nag-glue siya ng styrofoam (yung pangkama) paikot sa loob ng shell ng bass drum, katabi mismo ng batter head. Parang gumawa siya ng mas discreet version ng o-ring. :wink:
Well,Talagang masarap ang ingay ng drums!...Sa kuwarto kamo naka-set ang drums mo?!?hehe thanks i'll try that..
Masakit sa tenga yan! Siguraduhin mo na may mga kurtina sa paligid mo.kung puwede nga lang buong paligid makapal na kurtina para mabawasan ang resonance ng buong drums.Kasi madumi ang tunog ng drums pag di maganda ang acoustic ng lugar.
Kung maari nga lang maglagay ka pa ng earplug para di ka mabingi!
Makakabili ka nito sa mga music store.Proteksyon yan, kesa magsisi ka.
Ako very sensitive na ang tenga ko sa ngayon...NGAYON ko lang nararanasan.Dahil hindi ako nag iingat noon! Wala nang gamot ito!
Gusto mo bang makarinig na parang alanganing channel ng AM radio station ang paligid mo?!? :(
Ang ginawa ng mentor ko sa bass niya, nag-glue siya ng styrofoam (yung pangkama) paikot sa loob ng shell ng bass drum, katabi mismo ng batter head. Parang gumawa siya ng mas discreet version ng o-ring. :wink:
Quote from: GepAng ginawa ng mentor ko sa bass niya, nag-glue siya ng styrofoam (yung pangkama) paikot sa loob ng shell ng bass drum, katabi mismo ng batter head. Parang gumawa siya ng mas discreet version ng o-ring. :wink:
lam ko pwede rin ang rolled towel eh :)
hahatiin mo yung cork board tapos ilalagay mo sa gilid?di... ilalagay ko sa bintana namin :D
Quote from: intakehahatiin mo yung cork board tapos ilalagay mo sa gilid?di... ilalagay ko sa bintana namin :D
Quote from: intakeQuote from: GepAng ginawa ng mentor ko sa bass niya, nag-glue siya ng styrofoam (yung pangkama) paikot sa loob ng shell ng bass drum, katabi mismo ng batter head. Parang gumawa siya ng mas discreet version ng o-ring. :wink:
lam ko pwede rin ang rolled towel eh :)
i tried this ngaun lang dati ko pa balak gawin to eh dati kasi unan nakalagay, ok cya pero afterwards prang namiss ko ung character ng bass drum ko, kaya to get the most sound from my bass, i took the unan out at rolled towel nalang nilagay ko mas ok na cya ngayon mas fuller, boomier ung sound ng bass ko at mas malakas hehehe
yeah i saw those drum dials too... which again brings me to my next question... is it better to tune the drums tension wise rather than trying to tune it to a particular note?
Triggered na ata yung kay Tim e, kasi ang liliit ng bass sizes na gamit niya.
Dalawa ang gusto kong bass sounds:
1. Punchy bass tone, tulad nung kay Neil Peart.
2. Boomy tone, tulad kay John Mendoza ng Urbandub at Sammy Siegler ng Glassjaw.
Quote from: GepTriggered na ata yung kay Tim e, kasi ang liliit ng bass sizes na gamit niya.
Dalawa ang gusto kong bass sounds:
1. Punchy bass tone, tulad nung kay Neil Peart.
2. Boomy tone, tulad kay John Mendoza ng Urbandub at Sammy Siegler ng Glassjaw.
Hi Gep, which album are you referring to?
thanks
punchy ba ung ginagamit ng karamihan ng mga double-peds users?
Ah yun pala, kaya pala slow response
Just wondering, Does the beater affect the sound of the bass drum? if you use a wood beater would it sound "punchier" ?
tapos sa batter head naman.. very loose.. as in.. alang nakapihit na tension lug... sounds dumb pero.. ok cya.. low respose... wet floppy sound pag accents sa bass drum
pre bute hindi napupunit ung skin mo sa gilid.. ganyan din kasi ang set-up ko. eh 3 months pa lang ang pinstripe ko nasira na yung gilid ng skin dahil sa sobrang luwag...
Quotepre bute hindi napupunit ung skin mo sa gilid.. ganyan din kasi ang set-up ko. eh 3 months pa lang ang pinstripe ko nasira na yung gilid ng skin dahil sa sobrang luwag...
HAh?! :shock:
pano nangyari yun? 1 yr na ung pinstripe ko ah eversince ganun tuning ko.. baka naman may problema yang shell mo sir.. check mo lang
Quote from: DiademQuotepre bute hindi napupunit ung skin mo sa gilid.. ganyan din kasi ang set-up ko. eh 3 months pa lang ang pinstripe ko nasira na yung gilid ng skin dahil sa sobrang luwag...
HAh?! :shock:
pano nangyari yun? 1 yr na ung pinstripe ko ah eversince ganun tuning ko.. baka naman may problema yang shell mo sir.. check mo lang
O baka masyadong na-stress yung Pinstripe head mo. Ilan ang lugs ng bass drum mo?
6 ata ang lugs ko.
Just as I thought. Sorry to say, 6 lugs are too few for a modern kick drum. Less lugs, less tension... Less support for the loose tuning. There should be at least 8 for 22" kicks. High-end models have 10.
woooH buti nlang 8 sakin... kaya pla eh.. ung mga bagong local na drums... 5 lugs lng toms.. pti ung sa floor 5 lugs lng :shock:
woooH buti nlang 8 sakin... kaya pla eh.. ung mga bagong local na drums... 5 lugs lng toms.. pti ung sa floor 5 lugs lng :shock:
so wala na ba talaga pag asa?? basta 6 lugs hindi recommended na luwagan ko yung bass skin ko.??
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so wala na ba talaga pag asa?? basta 6 lugs hindi recommended na luwagan ko yung bass skin ko.??
Wag mo na lang i-tune na masyadong loose. Try a loose-to-medium tension. Para di masyadong mahirapan yung kick batter mo.
Compare it to firemen holding and stretching this round cloth (the one they use to rescue people from burning buildings; victims can jump down on it like a trampoline). If there are, say only a few firemen holding the cloth, will it be stable enough to support the jumper's weight? Now, let's add some more firemen to stabilize it...
That's my analogy on drumhead tension and number of tension lugs.
8)
Triggered na ata yung kay Tim e, kasi ang liliit ng bass sizes na gamit niya.
Dalawa ang gusto kong bass sounds:
1. Punchy bass tone, tulad nung kay Neil Peart.
2. Boomy tone, tulad kay John Mendoza ng Urbandub at Sammy Siegler ng Glassjaw.
i adore Mike Cosgrove's kick and toms in anthology as well as Chad Smith kick and snare in stadium arcadium.
as personal rule I don't use internal mufflers such as pillows, blankets etc in my kick...i also toggle between a 4" ported coated reso with a dry vents on the side for that 70s sound or an unported and uncoated reso for a more modern thud; i use both with an externally muffled EMAD. I tune the kick starting with the batter by finger tightening all the rods, then 2 full 360 turn on each, then i move to the reso and approach it similarly.
:D
a lot of literature have promoted that there is no need to use pillows if you tune your kick properly and right. i personally agree with this and i find that putting internal mufflers defeats the manufacturer's design intentions, otherwise they would have included pillows and blankets with their final products.
:D
meron ngang bass na nakasulat bossing peeves does this mean na pang bass drum yung ibinigay sakin??
thanks!!!
wala si peeves, so ako muna...
yes..
pang bass drum nga yan..
exchange mo sa store and sabihin mo ang gusto mo pang 16" na TOM.
tapos sabay irapan mo yung nagbenta sayo.
hehehe.. joke...
papalitan mo lang, kausapin mo ng mabuti..
kasi may mga iba di nag-eexchange eh...
post mo dito pag inangasan ka nung pinagbilhan mo.
peace!
sir pwede ko ba ask kung magkanu price ng mula 5 upto 8 pc drum mic kit thanks!!!Di ko maintindihan kung bakit ayaw ma-send by PM ang sagot ko sa inquiry mo. Pero ito ang presyo...
vinci rodriguez of the drumshop does tuning services..i just dont know how much he charge..mismo pumalo yan si pareng vinci bro.. :mrgreen:..
The easiest way to tune your drums....for a price.
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paheram pleassssseeeee...The easiest way to tune your drums....for a price.
Drumdial Drum Tuner
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Oo nga sobrang mahal. Pero puwede naman makihiram diba? :-D
for that oomph sound, considering your heads are pinstripes like mine, tune the reso at least 1-2 key turns higher that the batter. kung kulang pa yun para sa taste mo, taasan mo pa ng konti...
tulad rin ng sabi ni miggleness, experiment ka lang ng experiment, medyo matagal na process pero once you find your sound, ang sarap ng feeling...
:-D
hindi ako. si sir tito. tito marquez. sa kanya ko pinagawa karamihan sa mga drums ko. yung iba, branded na signature snares, pero yung karamihan kay sir tito.
hindi ko alam kung meron nang 14" si sir tito. yung 10dia.x8, 5t ang presyo, so hindi siguro malayo dun yung 10x10.
for more details, follow this link...
http://talk.philmusic.com/board/index.php/topic,24945.0.html
asa lesson ni dave weckl back to basics yun. tapos custom mo na lang kung ano trip mo sound....
hi just a question, whats the point of de-tuning the lug after?
Isa sa pinakamahirap itono para sa akin eh ang floor tom. Ang gamit ko ngayong drums eh Pearl Export na luma. Yung wala pang ISS. Remo Pinstripe na medyo luma ang batter head ko at Pearl na white sa ilalim. Can you give me tips sa pagtono nito? Parang gong na sabog ang tunog eh. Ayaw ko naman ng patay ang tunog. Sa tingin ko nakakapagpa-gong ng tunog nito ay yung ilalim. Do I need to change my resonant head na? Ano suggestions nyo kung ganun?
baka naman masyado na bugbog yung heads mo kaya patay na talaga tunog. naghahanap na ng kapalit :-D
pero mahirap talaga lalo na yung mga 16 na floor toms. pinakamadaling solution e gamitan mo ng O-ring o kaya tapalan mo ng tissue para muffled
Try changing your resonant head to a thin, clear, single ply one.ano ba mga available na thin clear single ply dito sa atin? ok na ba yung Lazer?
Tune your batter head lower than the resonant.ganito ginagawa ko minus the "to get the sound you want" (di ko kasi magustuhan), "small pillow", tsaka yung "de-tune 1 lug". thanks for the tip. i'll try it out.
To get even tension across all lugs, Tune all your lugs finger tight first, then use quarter turns or less when fine tuning to get the sound you want.
Place a small pillow under the resonant head... while pressing your thumb on the center of the batter, tap a drumstick one and a half inches below each lug to hear the tone... try tuning each lug so that the tone will somewhat sound the same.
When you get the desired tone... de-tune one lug at least half a turn...
Sabi nga e: "Let it ring!"haha. pasigaw? parang beyblade ba yun? :-D
Try changing your resonant head to a thin, clear, single ply one.ano ba mga available na thin clear single ply dito sa atin? ok na ba yung Lazer?
ano ba effect pag hindi pantay yung bearing edges ng shell?
at pano ko mapapantay yung bearing edges?
Bakit ang bilis yatang mapudpod ng coating ng Emperor compared sa Ambassador. Ka i-install ko lang last week sa lahat ng toms pero gasgas na yung nasa 10" 12" & 14" toms kahit na nag t-tune pa lang ako. Samantalang yung Ambassador sa snare walang kagalos-galos :x
sir ano po ba pedeng heads for my yamaha DP series..
medyo panget na kasi yung tunog nya e...
curret heads nya is
coated ambasador for the snare batter
remo pinstripe for all the toms, batter din
yamaha U2 heads ang resonant.. (stock lang)
here's the pix
(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b386/hpesoj01/HPIM2122.jpg)
p.s hindi kasali yung 10" snare ko, hahah ayos na tunog nun heheh spoiled skin yun haha
ok... ive been ......I guess what Im after is how do you guys tune your floor toms?
medyo challenging talaga i-tune ang 16" na toms... for me I tend to tune my 16" a tad bit higher than usual. personally I would prefer a 14" tom... :lol:kakagawa ko lang nito. imbis 16" floor tom gamit ko, ginamit ko yung 14" tom bilang floor tom. syempre gamit ko rin tuning ko. ang ganda parin ng tunog! :-D
every drum has it's own characteristics.. so it's just an ongoing process og tuning drums... 9 years nakong drummer.. i always encounter new drums
kung san san.. so may mga tricks ako na di nagana sa iba.. so always discover
new things.. nakatulong ba?
what i mean is just experiment...
bsta keep the tensions equal to each other..
to the resonant batter... i keep one lug superloose..
to give it a descending tone.. i'm happy with that..
hope it works for you dude..
panu po linisin yung tunog ng kick drum???
tips naman po sir
these topics might also be of help:
drumset tuning and head selection thread
http://talk.philmusic.com/board/index.php/topic,10184.0.html
snare drum tuning and head selection thread
http://talk.philmusic.com/board/index.php/topic,11719.0.html
floor tom tuning thread
http://talk.philmusic.com/board/index.php/topic,44824.0.html
dami pa tips sa ibang threads.... enjoy! :-)
walang rep?:(
may nagsabi kasi sa kin dito na okay daw emperor sa taas, tapos sa ilalim ambassador. kasi daw single ply batter para mas may tone and stuff... tapos double yung ilalim para may depth daw...
i'm not sure=/
ano sa tingin nyo? *toms
guys ask ko lang po.... nahirapan akong matono ng floor tom kadalsan masyadong lubog un tune....can you give me some tips... i'm a kind kasi ng drummer na high pitch ang gusto ung tipong ung snare malutonh na tunog pati ung 2 toms matining din... i used to copy the tune used by tony royster.......salamat po....=)
My 10" snare (that I used as a tom when my tom broke) has 6 lugs...
My new 10" acrylic also has 6.
I guess the problem with 5 is you can't partner the opposing lugs. But I've had decent results with my old generic 5-lug 12-incher.
Same ang process ko for reso and batters. It just differs how high-pitched your tom to be (batter), or if you prefer attack or warm resonance with decay (reso).
Here's what I do:
1. Finger tight all the screws
2. Palm the centre of the head
3. Apply around 2 turns to all the screws in the "star" order.
(http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/8846/zestar.jpg)
4. Tap the skin 1 inch from the each lug, and try the best you can to make sure that the pitch is uniform across all the lugs. (This helps eliminate baaad and overly-complex overtones)
5. Apply a uniform set of turns around the lugs again, til you get your desired pitch / skin tightness.
Based on experience, mas nadadalian akong i-tune ang small toms (10 and 12) compared to larger ones (14 and 16). Pero it's all about pitch uniformity - and - finding the sweet spot that the tom was made for.
pangit ba ang magiging tunog or madali mawala sa tono kapag 4 lugs lang ang 10" tom?oks naman bro...yung catalina ash na 8" 4 lugs lang.
It's all good with 4 lugs, as to 5 lug toms check the tension and ginawa ko before is gawing basis rin ang ears to equalize and makuha yung desired tone.. Okay naman yan kahit local pa to, matono mo lang ng maayos kung ano hinahanap mo na boses at okay ka na 8-)
eh sir peeves pano dapat ung tightness ng each head? panu po dapat?bro tingin ko kasi jan men...yung overall sound na lumalabas kasi naka rely yan sa tuning at sa acoustics...minsan maganda ang tuning mo sa kit mo, pero pag dinala mo sa smaller place or mas malaki...nag iiba...sa opinion ko naman po...to make the tom resonance shorter, kailangan mo ng less tension sa resonant head...basically yun ang aadjust mo, then yung batter naman yung desired pitch na gusto mo. :-)
bro tingin ko kasi jan men...yung overall sound na lumalabas kasi naka rely yan sa tuning at sa acoustics...minsan maganda ang tuning mo sa kit mo, pero pag dinala mo sa smaller place or mas malaki...nag iiba...sa opinion ko naman po...to make the tom resonance shorter, kailangan mo ng less tension sa resonant head...basically yun ang aadjust mo, then yung batter naman yung desired pitch na gusto mo. :-)sir kibohead, hindi po ba pag ganun ung tuning eh parang magkaka overtones lalo kasi mas maluwag ung reso?
Di naman siya short resonant eh. It just sounds that way because of the ambient micing. That's how you'll hear it pag malayo.oo nga...patience talaga noh...tsk...minsan nakaka bad trip...pero sabi nga ni sir inigo walang short cut.
Pero to add to peeves' reply, just tune it 1-1.5 turns past fingertight, and that's about medium tightness na. Trial and error sa gusto mong tightness. There's no shortcuts to this, so be patient.
thanks! subukan kong mag experiment minsan ng combinations ng tight-loose heads... :-D
Hi guys,Aquarian on the bass drum remo coated ambassador on snare
im going to have my old kit restored. part of the restoration is to give it some new heads.
i've already decided on what to get for the toms. sa snare and bass nalang.
re the snare, i plan to use the remo emperor x on the batter... sa reso kaya ano maganda? snare wires... do i need to replace? if so, ano kaya maganda?
sa bass naman, i read sa drum tuning bible that using remo ps3 on both the batter and reso would need little or no internal muffling at all. has anyone tried this already? also, what are the pros and cons if i dont put a hole on the reso side sa bass drum?
any inputs will truly be appreciated.
Thanks. :-)
any inputs re the hole or no hole on the bass drum?
thanks sir. :-)
any inputs re the hole or no hole on the bass drum?
@daleee
uhhh. i just do what dave weckl does.
- I put the head on the shell
- I put the hoop and finger tight the tuning rods
- I tune the head a bit higher that what I really want
- while tuning the head, I press down on the center as the cracking noise somes out
well. thats what I do. (my snare drum is a pearl 5x14 export with a remo emperor X on it.)
As time passes, I don't re tune my drum but it gets better for me.
Cheers and happy drumming to you, sir daleee
Thanks! I've seen that part of Dave Weckl's Video, but apart from that, do you let the head seat by itself, say, overnight?
hi mga master drummers,
i have my old fernando drumset(not that old naman) sinimulan kong i restore since uso ulit ang bands ngayon and gusto ko ulit tumugtog.
i started with the heads. i bought the protone (pearl) double layer heads yun parang remo pinstripe pero mas cheaper sya. dun lang kasi kasya budget ko as of now :? puro batter side lang ang pinalitan ko from the toms to the bass drum. sa snare naman i used the coated one like the ambassador of remo. and for the resonant or resonance side i still used the old single layer fernando heads.now my next step is how to make it sound very nice (tuning).sa mga toms, kelangan bang mas banat ang bottom side?i tried tuning it pero di ko marinig yun deep sound na gusto kong marinig na narinig ko sa pearl drumset using that heads too.sa bass drum naman parang kulang sa boom.i tried putting this fiber sheet, yun white.
Help naman mga master para hindi naman masayang bili ko sa mga heads ko.i'm planning also to buy this mute thing, yun round na clear plastic na pinapatong sa mga top heads. need your suggestion. thanks po.
Ok ba pang Tono yung nabibiling Drum torque ng pearl???
yun tumutunog kapag nasa tono na
nde ko kasi matono yung drums ko, iba iba yung tono kada logs, nag paparehas ba yung tono pag gumamit ng torque key?
mga sir tanong ko lang po kung anu masasabi nyo sa coated heads para sa toms? i'm planning to replace my heads sa tom with coated ones eh..tnx for your opinions!
i use uratex foam all around my bass drum very loud period 150 pesos lang very very good price hehe
branded or hindi branded pwede pa ring maging maganda ang tunog. ako nga pare, i spend 3 hours of tuning sa isang snare ko lng. ganun talaga it doenst matter kung ano pa tatak nyan,just follow the instruction. find the "sweet spot" ng tinotono mo. :wink: gudluck
Mga Sir! ask ko lang. im planning to buy a drum head for my fernando snare("14), ano po bang magandang heads para dito? ung pinaka affordable yet great sound na po. papalitan ko din po ba ung ilalim? sobrang pangit kasi ng overtones eh. thanks sa mga suggestions!! :-D :-D
mga tol anong magandang brand ng drum heads?
mga tol anong mgndang brand ng drum heads?
Mga sir may problema po ako sa floor tom ko, kakabili ko lang nitong set dito lang din. Masyadong masikip yung head para sa shell, ano po kayang remedyo dito? Malabong maitono ng maayos kasi talagang sobrang sikip, kinailangan ko pa pukpukin paangat yung gilid ng head para lang matanggal.
Ano kaya remedyo mga master? Lihahin ko ng pabilog yung kahoy? Salamat!
yikes! bumili ka na lang ng bagong branded head! assuming na generic yung head sa floor tom, it's not worth damaging the bearing edges off your floor tom. :wink:Ay ganun po ba sir? Kasi remo encore din yung head, puwede rin sigurong factory defect? Generic nga lang po pala yung floor tom na nandito, kakashift ko lang kasi sa drums kaya bumili lang muna ako ng pampraktis, yun nga lang gusto ko kasi maitono ko. Salamat po sa reply sir! 8-)
sensya na po beginner pa lang po when it comes to drums. ung bibilhin ko kasi na drum set walang 16" na floor tom, 12" hi tom saka 13" lo tom lang. pede bang ma-tono ung 13" lo tom katulad ng sa floor tom?
pwede naman siyang magamit as floor tom pero tuning wise not as low as a floor tom yung makukuha mo na sound due to the size difference.. :wink:
mga sir.. eto naman pong snare na to:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_A9ukvQTCc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_A9ukvQTCc)
ung tunog nya is "TAK".. ganun gs2 ko tunog ng snare ko eh.. help mga sir
yes, someone who tunes drums. I guess drumtech nga. any recommendations?
yes, someone who tunes drums. I guess drumtech nga. any recommendations?
mga bossing na drummer :-D ask lng ako sa inyong mga opinion... with regards sa tom2x, tom and floor tom, pwede ba yun lagyan ng 2ply batter head sa taas at 1ply batter head nman as reso? ano kaya tunog ng mga toms? any ideas kng sino naka alam at naka try na? thanx :mrgreen:
i use my 13" tom as floor tom bro, its either babaan mo yung tono ng 13" or taasan mo yung tuning ng other toms mo to compensate yung tono ng 13" mo as floor tom... :-D
me. magandang combo yan, mas buo and malalim yung tunog compared sa single ply batter+reso head combination IMO. may option ka din to go with coated 2-ply batter heads for a warmer sound. :wink:
mga sirs, pede pa bang matono nang maayos yung 14" snare ko .. kaso 6 lugs lang sya .. kung palitan ko ng heads, mag iimprove kaya yung tunog nya ? ganun din sa 16" floor tom ko .. 6 lugs lang din
me. magandang combo yan, mas buo and malalim yung tunog compared sa single ply batter+reso head combination IMO. may option ka din to go with coated 2-ply batter heads for a warmer sound. :wink:
bossing, anong 2-ply drum heads ba ma recommend mo? gusto ko din sana yung coated kaso after some time nagiging madumi yung heads eh..
mga sir maiba ako...in drum tuning...what would you trust more, a drum dial or your ears? I've tried tuning with and without a drum dial...kaso minsan kahit pareho ang reading sa drum dial per lug, magkakaiba yung tono per lug...so i fine-tune the lugs using my ears after using a drum dial. Is this a good drum tuning practice?
mga sir maiba ako...in drum tuning...what would you trust more, a drum dial or your ears? I've tried tuning with and without a drum dial...kaso minsan kahit pareho ang reading sa drum dial per lug, magkakaiba yung tono per lug...so i fine-tune the lugs using my ears after using a drum dial. Is this a good drum tuning practice?
Question lng po.. Sino na po ba dito yung nakatry na mag palit ng tension rods? At may naka try na ba dito na pinalitan yung tension rods ng allen bolt, same size, din sa tension rods.. so instead na drum key yung gamitin for tuning eh, allen screw driver na yung gamit? Same pa rin ba yung tuning ng drums? I was thinking of modding my kit... Need your opinions... :-D :-D :-D :mrgreen:
hello guys tanong ko lang kung ano tiningn nyo na bagay sa 14x6.5 na batter head? remo cs o evand hd dry salamat kung may idea din kayo sa price ayos yun!! :-D
yung tamang tunog ng arcade fire, medyo punchy yung tunog medyo dry ata eh hehe di ko lang sure, basta medyo solid yung body, tama ba? vp na snare gamit ko, yung head naka kabit pinstipe na coated. thanks!
HD dry pasok bro, ST dry pala yung nasa isip ko na crisp sounding hehe! :-D
may idea ka ba kung magkano yung presyuhan nyan ngayon? salamat bro!
Hi! my friends is looking for drumheads... can you give me some advices in buying drumheads (brands, where to buy, and price ranges) ..
Thanks Philmusic!
mga idol, suggest naman kayo ng pinaka da-best na drumhead for my catalina maple.. preferred ko na brand is REMO, at pang all around genre sana, yung pinaka versatile..thank!! :-D
Master plitipiw40315 gayahin ko lang po yung post niyo. Pareho po kasi tayo ng gustong mangyari eh at Catalina Maple rin po yung kit ko :-)
mga idol, suggest naman kayo ng pinaka da-best na drumhead for my catalina maple.. preferred ko na brand is REMO, at pang all around genre sana, yung pinaka versatile..thank!! :-D
Master plitipiw40315 gayahin ko lang po yung post niyo. Pareho po kasi tayo ng gustong mangyari eh at Catalina Maple rin po yung kit ko :-)
mga idol, suggest naman kayo ng pinaka da-best na drumhead for my catalina maple.. preferred ko na brand is EVANS, at pang all around genre sana, yung pinaka versatile..thanks!! :-D
wala pang skin na ginagawa na "versatile" hehe subjective kasi sa tenga ng tao ang tunog na pasok sa genre of choice. but anyways, here are a couple of tried and tested tips IMO :-Dthanks MASTER RIFF malaking tulong to ..balak ko magpalit ng evans g2 sa toms ko :-D :-D :-D
1.) Snare:
batter - single ply coated (Remo Ambassador / Evans G1)
reso - single ply clear (Remo Ambassador or Diplomat / Evans Hazy 200 or 300)
2.) Toms:
batter - double ply or single ply with overtone control ring (clear or coated) (Remo Emperor, Pinstripe or Powerstroke 3 / Evans G2, EC2, Genera or Hydraulic)
reso - single ply (clear or coated) (Remo Ambassador / Evans G1)
3.) Bass:
batter - single ply with overtone control ring or double ply (clear or coated) (Remo Powerstroke 3 or Powersonic / Evans EQ4, EMAD, GMAD, EMAD2)
reso - single ply with overtone control ring (Remo Powerstroke 3 / Evans EQ3 or REMAD)
gusto ko makuha tunog neto kaso di ko magawa.. im using remo pinstripe clear.
suggestion naman mga sir.. lutong kase ng tunog eh..
wala pang skin na ginagawa na "versatile" hehe subjective kasi sa tenga ng tao ang tunog na pasok sa genre of choice. but anyways, here are a couple of tried and tested tips IMO :-D
1.) Snare:
batter - single ply coated (Remo Ambassador / Evans G1)
reso - single ply clear (Remo Ambassador or Diplomat / Evans Hazy 200 or 300)
2.) Toms:
batter - double ply or single ply with overtone control ring (clear or coated) (Remo Emperor, Pinstripe or Powerstroke 3 / Evans G2, EC2, Genera or Hydraulic)
reso - single ply (clear or coated) (Remo Ambassador / Evans G1)
3.) Bass:
batter - single ply with overtone control ring or double ply (clear or coated) (Remo Powerstroke 3 or Powersonic / Evans EQ4, EMAD, GMAD, EMAD2)
reso - single ply with overtone control ring (Remo Powerstroke 3 / Evans EQ3 or REMAD)
mga sir,tanong lang po san po kaya ako makakabili ng O-rings? para dun sa mga toms ko
ang size nila ay 10,12,14. :-) saka mag kano pa kaya magagastos ko dun? gusto ko lang po
kasi maitono drums ko ng maganda :-).
mga idol, suggest naman kayo ng pinaka da-best na drumhead for my catalina maple.. preferred ko na brand is REMO, at pang all around genre sana, yung pinaka versatile..thank!! :-D
sa Lazer
sir mag kano po kaya yun?
salamat po.
Panalo to! Salamat master Riff_66603! Actually sir lahat ng nabanggit niyo nasa choices ko na talaga eh, yun nga lang di rin makapili ng maayos dahil yung iba wala pa saten dito sa Pinas. Thanks ulit sir! Mod ka na rin pala :-) nice! :-D
Happy drumming!
mga nasa around 150-200+ yung mute rings nila AFAIK pero baka nagtaas na din.. kung may mga luma kang heads pwede mo gawing mute rings yun or moongel na lang meron din si master vincher - www.thedrumshopmanila.com :-Dah.sige po sir.maraming salamat po.
Hi guys,
this maybe a stupid person (I'm not a drummer), but is there a professional drum setup guy? Like what a luthier is to a guitar. Someone who can go to our place and tune/setup/fix our drumset (because it sounds like crap).
Thanks!
ako din, I need someone who could tune my drums the way I want it :)
suggestion ko lang po
1. ano tatak ng heads stock ba? pag oo palitan mo ng remo heads pag gusto mo mura palitan mo ng lazer heads yung coated kulay puti, tapos bilhan mo din ng mufler yung sa tom,tom at floor tom sa lazer din nabibili yun ring na bilog pinapatong sa gilid ng heads.
2, yung snare mo ba metal o wood?palitan mo din heads ng remo or lazer coated, check mo din yung snare wires kung masyado malapad or madami strands pwede ka bumili mas konte, yung saken binawasan ko pinutol cutter
3.tapos tono mo nalang yung heads ng top at buttom.
4. may na encounter kasi ako generic din na snare ang hirap itono nde ko makuha gs2 ko tunog nde ko alam kung sa design ba yun, kahit palit heads, yamaha snare gamit ko madali lang itono
how much mo ba nakuha ser? ang gtx kc entry level kit lang. what you pay is what you get. ika nga nila. or maybe try to change the heads and the snare wire.
cheers! :-)
ANSWERE:
1) stock lang pero try ko bumili ng lazer heads pero pinkamalapit samin SM manila dun may lazer store
2) wood ung snare
3) marunong ako mag tono salamat
4) ang main problem ko talga ung "ECHO"
meron na din ako na encounter na snare picolo na wood generic nde ko na babanggitin brand bka may ma offebd parang ganun sa description mo tunog kahit ano gawin ko tono palit ng wire,skin ayun binenta ko solve ang problema ko he..he.. i've guess design is the factor.
overtones are a common problem. kahit maganda po ung kit sir talagang issue yon. well of course the area is another thing but here are a few things that you can do do remove the overtones.
1. use an o-ring and put it to your snare or drum that you want the overtone removed. makakabili ka ng ganito sa mga music stores kahit saan at mura lang naman.
2. try replacing the head of the drum. in most cases, drummers would use a coated head for the snare (as this helps in reducing the overtone). kung kulang pa rin try using a coated head + the o-ring. that will cause a major reduction in overtone believe me. as mga toms naman, you can place an o-ring o kaya gumamit ka ng double ply head and that would work out fine. Kung mag lalagay ka pa ng o-ring kasama ng double ply head baka hindi na mag resonate ung toms mo at hindi mo na ma appreciate.
3. ung bottom head ng drums malaki din ang kinalaman sa tone ng drum. try loosening the bottom head and tighten/loosen the batter head and from there you will hear that mag iiba ung sound. remember, kung mahigpit ung bottom head mas mataas ang sound ng drum at mas malapit ito sa paggawa ng overtone.
hope that helps sir :-D
Yung sinasabi po nilang "kumakanta yung mga toms", pano po ba magagawa yun?
I mean, batter is higher than reso? Batter and reso are almost identical? Batter is lower than reso? Di ko po makuha yung gusto kong tunog ng 10'' tom ko eh..It has Evans G2 Clear batter and Gretsch stock single ply reso.. Thanks
Tanong lang po uli... I have this TAMA Superstar kit...magandang kit right? pero stock heads suck! :evil:
Okay kaya kung ang ang palitan ko lang na heads ay un batter? -trip ko kasi kunin un Evans Onyx na 2ply. Basta un black :-)
Kasi mukhang pwede pa naman un resonant ko. still looking new. Sa tuning...I think i can na rin.
isa na ako sa mga most commenter na pare-parehas lang ang sinasabi.. Pinstripe . haha! balance naman kasi talaga tumunog yun, kahit mga gospel drummers, naka-pinstripe lang din sila. wag lang sa snare tsaka kick, there's more options sa mga yun. pero kung gusto mong flexible sa lahat ng tugtugan, Pinstripe for the win!
note: metal tugtugan..hehe. Punchy ang habol dito. 2ply yan right?
Pero eto nga ang pinakatanong ko, since na pinstripe ang nirerequest niyo, take note na batter lang ang papalitan ko. I'll keep my reso heads on. Would it still sound great or what? New head on the batter+old stock head reso :-D
how old is your drum set?
Maganda ang stage custom. I'd buy it if I had the money. But the local price sa PP and Yupangco is ridiculous.
yung echo na sinasabi mo overtones yun, the more na mahigpit ang tuning mo the more na magkaka overtones. maglagay ka ng moongel, o kaya duct tape. para mabawasan overtones.
Duct Tape? National Bookstore or any hardware store.
Just a newbie drummer with a recently acquired drum set.
After some reading, I chose Evans as my preferred brand.
Please correct me if I am wrong... Is it only JB Music that carry Evans drum heads locally?
The recent JB Music sale gave me the impression that the breath and depth of the availability and replenishment of Evans heads in the Philippine market is NOT good.
I couldn't get ALL the heads I needed after scouring a lot of their branches (SM North, Trinoma, SM Mega, Parksquare, Harrison, ATC).
I had to source several heads online (eBay, Amazon).
Is this really the usual case (few head models/poor stock) and I'm better off buying online?
Or was my timing just bad?
Tips? Sources?
Thanks for any input on this matter.
sa tingin ko sir talagang hindi pa complete ang Evans heads nila, kaya kulang pa ang mga choices natin dito, malay lang po natin ngayong parating na daw stocks nila baka may dumagdag ng pagpipilian.
ang pangit lang,napansin ko sa mga stock nilang coated heads na evans ang dumi, kahit pa nakabox. (experience ko lang po ito kapag nagpupunta ako ng jb para bumili ng heads, kaya minsan nakakadismaya bumili).
Maybe your timing was just bad.. All my Evans heads, batter or reso came from JB Music.. Actually it's Salongga Music Store in Cubao, it's also a JB music company.. As of now after the Himig Lakas Sale that lasted till October 31, all their branches are still in the process of replenishing new heads.. Just too bad that it takes time..
Just a tip;
If you still want to use Evans but JB Music has still no stock, you can place your order to Vinci Rodriguez of the Drum Shop Manila and he'll order it from you FRESH from the U.S.
Try Aquarians.. Sa mga naresearch ko, they have one of the best batter heads for bass drums. Di pa naman ako nakakatry, never bought a head bigger than 16" hehe :D
Mga sirs, meron akong pearl export drums. I'm thinking of putting double ply heads as reasonant heads para maachive yung round, fat, focused sound sa toms. Lalo na sa 16" floor tom. Meron na bang naka try neto? Para maalis yung "wangy" sound? :?
ano ba yung batters mo? paano mo ba itinono? kasi anything thicker than the usual single ply reso would deaden the sound of your drums. you could try using moongels sa batters or use mute rings instead.
Mga tol patulong naman, im planning to replace my bass drum batter next week.. PDP lang kse gamit ko now, ung 1 ply.. And im choosing between these heads..
REMO Powersonic or EVANS Emad Onyx.. Which one is better?..
BTW yung kit ko is a PEARL export series.. 22" Yung Kick..
Thanks!.. :mrgreen:
^Baka masyado mataas yung batter mo? Try mo above wrinkle lang yung setting
Hi,
san mo nabili pearl export mo? I'll be buying my first kit kasi e..
Nagawa ko na yun sir. Hindi ok yung tunog. Loose yung tunog.
stock heads pa rin ba? yung suggestion ni marko21, ginawa mo rin ba yun sa bottom head? ang "wangy" term mo ba yung parang plastic slap na tunog? if yes, tight na yung heads nun and you need to loosen both heads.
ang pagtono very tiny turns lang kapag nasa point ka na wala ng wrinkles. trial and error lang naman sa simula, yung tiny turns na sinasabi ko parang 12oclock to 1 oclock turn lang yun. paluin mo sa center yung head saka mo gawin yung pag turn. dapat marinig mo na tumaas yung pitch ng head habang nagsusustain pa. kapag malapit na sa interval yung pitch nung top at bottom heads, mawawala yung "loose" na tunog na sinasabi mo at magiging full at round sya kahit konting pihit lang sa tension rods.
kapag wala ka narinig na change, ibig sabihin lang nun di pa narerecognize ng tenga mo yung small pitch changes. remember, every movement of your tension rod will cause a change in your sound. just keep doing it, you'll be able to recognize pitch shift by doing this a lot then you'll be able to tune your drums.
@master muziquero-sa jb music ko po binili yun evans onyx heads..tnx po sa pagchek ng kit ko :-) :-)
Thanks sa info sir.. Kaso galing nako JB kahapon wala na daw csilang stock ng onyx!.. :-(magkano kuhamo sa EC2?
Sayang, kaya EC2 nalang binili ko..
magkano kuhamo sa EC2?
Okei lang po bang reso yung tig 310 na heads sa lyric, yung pdp na my white sa gilid?.. Sa toms po.. :?
ok sila.
last year i bought a whole set. comparable to clear ambassadors in my opinion.
pero ang napansin ko lang, madali "lumuwang" yung head. meaning madali mahila from their respecitive aluminum collars (i think that's what they're called).
kaya ingat lang baka ma-over tighten mo yung pagtono.
pero for the price, ok na ok sila.
ngayon pang resonant ko na lang sila. :)
yung 12" 900, yung 16" 1,050.. Di nakasale sir eh..salamat sa reply!
attack, lazer, remo encore halos pareho lang sila. they may even be made from the same factory.
i suggest pdp sa lyric. mas muffled kasi yun at baka mahirapan ka magtono sa encore, lazer or attack
guys ask ko lang pano po mag tono ng 5 lugs na tomtom
nahihirapan po kasi ako itono ung tom tom kong dalawa :(
tips nmn po dyan mga guys
thanks po
My 10" snare (that I used as a tom when my tom broke) has 6 lugs...
My new 10" acrylic also has 6.
I guess the problem with 5 is you can't partner the opposing lugs. But I've had decent results with my old generic 5-lug 12-incher.
Same ang process ko for reso and batters. It just differs how high-pitched your tom to be (batter), or if you prefer attack or warm resonance with decay (reso).
Here's what I do:
1. Finger tight all the screws
2. Palm the centre of the head
3. Apply around 2 turns to all the screws in the "star" order.
(http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/8846/zestar.jpg)
4. Tap the skin 1 inch from the each lug, and try the best you can to make sure that the pitch is uniform across all the lugs. (This helps eliminate baaad and overly-complex overtones)
5. Apply a uniform set of turns around the lugs again, til you get your desired pitch / skin tightness.
Based on experience, mas nadadalian akong i-tune ang small toms (10 and 12) compared to larger ones (14 and 16). Pero it's all about pitch uniformity - and - finding the sweet spot that the tom was made for.
this might help! :-D
^snare ba, toms, o bass drum?
kapag toms, it's recommended na you use 1-ply heads sa reso so your drums can sing. so ang mga alam ko na 1-ply, eto ang madalas gamitin:
Remo Diplomat
Remo Ambassador.
Evans G1.
Evans Genera Resonant
^yun talaga ang advisable, pre. ano ba ang reso na gamit mo ngayon? john bonham even used coated ambassadors on the reso of his toms. sa snare kasi usually dapat manipis talaga yung sa reso. like hazy 200 or hazy 300.
Still, provided you like the sound, you can use any drum head anywhere you like. :)
^yun talaga ang advisable, pre. ano ba ang reso na gamit mo ngayon? john bonham even used coated ambassadors on the reso of his toms. sa snare kasi usually dapat manipis talaga yung sa reso. like hazy 200 or hazy 300.
Still, provided you like the sound, you can use any drum head anywhere you like. :)
Share lang po. Bagong damit!
(http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee510/blindedfox/2012-02-27201542.jpg)
Evans Onyx 2-Ply. Ganda ng tunog even for a cheap kit. Super sarap itono!
hindi ba masyado nang dead ang tunog nyan, bro? 2-ply na 7.5mil na tapos may moongel pa? i suggest i-try mo na walang moongel tapos paglaruan mo yung tuning para mas ma explore mo yung range nung drum heads. IMHO lang naman, bro. hehe. if they sound good to you, then don't mind me. :lol:
anyway, ganda tingnan! bagay sa kulay ng kit mo yung heads.
kita ko sa pic parang enclosed ung drums mo sa small space tapos concrete wall yang katabi ng drums. mag riring talaga yan bro. dahil sa acoustics ng room. pag dinala mu sa labas, mag iba tunog nyan. maybe fit lang sa small space ung ginawa mung tuning at dampening ng drums. pero pag sa labas yan, i think dead ung sound. hindi kakanta ung toms. just my 23 cents.
nice yung heads bro inggit ako sa color. hehe
kita ko sa pic parang enclosed ung drums mo sa small space tapos concrete wall yang katabi ng drums. mag riring talaga yan bro. dahil sa acoustics ng room. pag dinala mu sa labas, mag iba tunog nyan. maybe fit lang sa small space ung ginawa mung tuning at dampening ng drums. pero pag sa labas yan, i think dead ung sound. hindi kakanta ung toms. just my 23 cents.
nice yung heads bro inggit ako sa color. hehe
Hello, fellow forum-ers!
Ayun, kakakuha palang namin ng PDP Mainstage Kit para samin ng kapatid ko. First time palang namin magkadrum-set kaya hanggang arrangement lang kami tsaka tightening ng mga components pero yung sound hindi kami convinced na okay na sya..
eto nga pala yung drums nung kit:
8 x 10" and 9 x 12" toms
14 x 16" floor tom [kasama ride, crash, hi-hats na may hardware]
18 x 22" bass drum
5 x 14" snare
-yung toms binilhan na ng Remo weatherking pinstripe para sa batter head..sa batter head lang wala sa resonant (gamit namin parin yung pre-packed heads)
- tapos snare naman, weatherking coated ambassador..para rin sa batter head only..wala sa ilalim
- bass drum, wala pang modifications, pre-packed heads parin yung gamit namin
kaya tanong ko lang kung anong dapat na ipang partner sa resonant head galing dun sa mga batter head na binili namin..
pati kung ano maganda head para sa bass drum
hehe sensya na sa lahat..sobrang bago lang talaga
salamat ng marami in advanced!
guys, question lang, mejo tight budget ngayon,
gaano ba kalaki ang difference between lazer and remo heads?
iniisip ko kasi snare lang muna ang remo, ang toms ko gawin ko na lang lazer muna?
pati ano pala marerecommend niyong remo head para sa steel na snare?
salamat :D
para sa snare, generally remo coated ambassador or pwede din remo coated emperor. kung gusto mo mag-lazer heads muna sa toms, hanapin mo yung parang powerstroke nila na heads (clear with built in tone control ring) swabeng swabe yun pramis!
salamat po, kagagaling ko lang sa JB megamall, out of stock ang remo ambasador/emperor :(
ung sa lazer po ba na sinasabi niyo, eto po ba un?
(http://www.lazermusic.com.ph/images/products/image/PD2-056.jpg)
yup! that's it exactly. btw, nasa JB pati Lazer megamall ako kanina around 2-3PM, kung nagkasabay tayo sana tinapik mo lang ako or something hehe.. Kahit naman hindi ko personally kilala basta tanong tungkol sa drums lagi ako ready tumulong. :-Dsalamat po sir riff nandun din po pala kayo haha. :D mga around 1-2 ako nandun. wala na ring ganyan sa lazer eh. so naisip ko po pumunta sa raon sa weekend. mayroon kaya nyan pati nung remo ambassador doon?
salamat po sir riff nandun din po pala kayo haha. :D mga around 1-2 ako nandun. wala na ring ganyan sa lazer eh. so naisip ko po pumunta sa raon sa weekend. mayroon kaya nyan pati nung remo ambassador doon?
meron naman siguro. you could try ali mall cubao din, meron dun lazer pati nandun din salonga (JB music main) banda.salamat po ulit sir riff
Guys so mga 4 months na since I started drumming and bought by first drumset which is a normal Fernando. tas bumili ako ng b8 pro cymbals. Nagtono ng drums ko e yung teacher ko dati, taga yamaha siya pero ngayon di na ko naglelessons. So pano ko papagandahin tunog nito. Kaya ba sa tuning lang o kelangan na ng bagong heads? Thanks guys!
pano po ittune ung toms na parang tunog metallica.. ung parang kay lars po..
New tuner in the market for those who does not have an Apple product to use the iDrumTune:
http://www.tune-bot.com/
Though imho the iDrumTune is a more practical tuner for the price as the TuneBot retails for $99.
great share! marami daw discrepancies sa readings ng tuning though according sa reviews online. I'd go buy it though if it were half the price! :lol:
mga sir, what can you say about remo emperor X?.. san store po ba meron nito? ang lutong kasi ng tunog nya... :-D
IDRUMTUNE!!!
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7106/7621078624_8871c62afe_z.jpg)
i highly recommend this to everyone. it works great medyo mabagal lang kesa kung kaya mo magtono gamit tenga lang kasi hihintayin mo magdisplay yung frequency after nung hit. ang dali na mag fine tune later using idrumtune. this is great for toms...not so much for snares and kick drums because they are very personal, always follow your taste.
yun lang, kailangan mo ng ipod, ipad, iphone at $1.99
I'm planning to buy the first upgrades to my all-stock Fernando kit. Due to budget limitations, eto lang po ang plano ko bilhin muna:
Sabian AAX cymbal set (14" hi-hat, 16" crash, 20" ride) - 12k ang asking price, brand new, with bag
Remo Clear Pinstripe Drumheads (for all toms)
Remo Coated Ambassador Drumheads (for snare)
Ano po palagay niyo mga master?
Should I change the reso too or pwede na muna yung stock reso ng Fernando?
Sabian AAX or Sabian B8?
OT po...sorry...how will I know if the Sabians are original or fake?
Salamat sa replies mga master. I went to JB Music sa Megamall to buy Remo Clear Pinstripes for the toms and the floor tom, unfortunately walang stock kaya Evans Clear EC2 nabili ko. I also got a Remo Coated Ambassador for my snare. Ang problema ko ngayon ay pagtotono. Baka may taga Pasig jan na pwede ako tulungan at turuan magtono? Tatanawin ko na malaking utang na loob. :-)
I'm not from pasig but I could help you out in tuning your set. ok ka ng sat evening? may mini EB pa kasi ako pupuntahan ng hapon eh. PM me so we could talk about it in detail. regards!
Sir, salamat ulit sa offer mo. Next time na lang pag may problema na malupit. :-D
Mga master, ano po magandang reso for bass drum and toms? Ang heads ng toms ko are clear Evans EC2's, tapos yung bass drum balak ko clear na Evans EMAD2 ang ikabit.
for toms, you could NEVER go wrong with G1 clears. for the BD, you could opt to go with EMAD Reso's or EQ3 Reso's. not too sure if it's available locally though. nandyan naman si reims aka wireme for special orders though. :-D
I'm planning to change all my tom's heads - do I need to change the resos as well? This is the first time that I'll be changing my tom heads... thanks...
Available at Lyric. :razz:
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magkano gep?
P4,500. :)
hirap kasi itono yung floor tom.. suko na ko baka sa skin lang eh.. sonor smart force po kasi gamit ko kit.. thanks sa reply boss!! :cute:
Kasi when I tune my drums I always hear what I've been hear before .. any ideas using application ?
Try nyo rin panoorin yung videos ni bob gatzen to get an idea on how to tune it.
Ahhh ! @cokiee evans g2 gamit ko since when i have my drum kit i practice in remo , then i conclude na mas pabor ako sa evans.. and nahihirapan ako mag tune by ear ..
sino naka-testing sa inyo ng LAZER-REMO ut heads made in taiwan? lalo na yung pinstripe tska yung snare contolled head nila?
ask ko lang po, anyone here tried PDP heads? any comparisons to it? it sells at P275 in a store near me, the same price as lazer heads.
Help po mga sir!!! San po ba nakakabili ng tension rod? Kasi bingkong na pala yung isang tension rod ng snare ko. :cry: ehh iba din kasi yung tension rod nung generic kong snare. Help po please. :cry:
Sorry bro, ano yung bingkong?
Anyways, when you mean tension rods,
Are you talking about the snare wires? Or lugs?
Snare wires are at the resonant head of the snare, kung yun lang hinahanap mo marami nun sa jb at lazer. Price depends on brand and how many wires would it have.
Ay sorry, tabingi po yung ibig sabihin ng bingkong.
Yung sa lugs po, sir. :cry: tabingi na po yung isa eh. :/ Kapag Pearl po ba, may exclusively made silang tension rod/bolts?
Yup, they have they're own tension rods.
Pero mahirap maghanap nyan bro, at medjo hindi friendly and price kasi per set yun.
I had a similar problem like that, pearl forum 14x6 snare missing a lug.
Sympre wala ko nahanap, or pre-order pa which is costly.
I ended up at lazer sm manila.
Yun nga lang, I had to replace the whole set.
But here's the catch, hindi fit yung screws ng us to china.
Much bigger yung us, so bibili ka pa ng screws.
Advise ko bro, kung hindi pearl yung mabibili mo, better bring the snare before you purchase para masukat mo.
Try to look din sa classifieds, malay mo maka chamba ka dun.
Thanks for the tip, sir!!!
Mga magkano po inabot? Tas iba pa din po ba kapag Japan naman? Maybechabaygulay. :cry:
Anyway, may nakita ako sa classifieds kaso, yun nga, as set: 28 pcs for 2800. Ang worry ko lang din po ay bukod sa per country, eh baka nagvavary din siya per model ng snare. :cry:
Yung generic, less than 500 lang sa lazer.
Pero try mo mag post sa classifieds or check the item first. Kung pearl to pearl, same size ng screws yun.
what do you guys use to muffle your bass drum,? tricks like using gels,accessories, etc
no port/hole or with port/hole ??
advantages/disadvantages to this, or is this done just make it easier for the sound guy to mic/unmic'd your drum?
Get the Evans Emad or Remo power stroke pro. even without pillows inside they sound great. considering you tune them correctly :)
Get the Evans Emad or Remo power stroke pro. even without pillows inside they sound great. considering you tune them correctly :)maganda ba yung powersonic?
maganda ba yung powersonic?
pillow should be used for sleeping... he he he... 8-)
1) try the Pearl Air Suspension Feet. They make a major difference. It adds resonance and sustain.
2) Try tuning your heads higher. Instead of just a dry thud from a loose head, the higher fundamental and harmonics will help make the sound more audible, and will project better. It might not sound "low" from the drivers seat, but it usually does from the audience and with close-mikes.
help naman. nag restore ako ng generic metal snare, painted it and bought new batter head,remo encore coated ambassador and new gibraltar snare wire 20 strands. ano kayang magandang reso para makuha ung gusto kong tunog na "pak". parang tunog na gamit ni vic mercado. and magkano kaya ang pinaka murang throw off kasi parang masisira narin sya.
Hi guys, my friend recently bought a yamaha drumset we are not satisfy with its sound
the 1st owner bought it 2 yrs ago and didnt used it for almost 1 year..
does it affects the tunning and sound
please help us with your expertise :))
It shouldn't unless nabasa or nainitan masyado yung drums per se (if nakastore sa bodega or something). anything that might affect the drum's material, be it the shells, heads, hardware, etc. makaka-affect yun. if OK pa naman lahat, then a proper tuning should do the trick.
hmm.. loosen po kasi ung mga heads, di ako marunong mag tune..
pano po ba mgtune ng resonant at batter head (which should be more tight)
gnun
THANKS PO :)
hmm kahit mga sound ng parokya or silent sanctuary xD gigmaker po siya maple set standard sizes po hehe..
hirap po kasi ako sumunod sa mga tutorial sa youtube, any suggestion po on how to tune it?
anu ba logic ng powersonic ng remo? hehe,kumuha ako but didn't install it,hehe.tama kasi ako magmuffle sa luob. parang may smiley face yung skin,hehe
Nakapowersonic ako sa set ko. I get more attack and tone control out of it depending on how I set it up. Mas resounding and focused yung tone kapag di nakakakabit yung clip-on muffler pero mas may attack yung sound kapag nakakabit na. Talo lang kapag vented ang head mo, kahit naka kickport plakda pa din ang sound.
haha! tama nga gut feeling ko,kasi natira sa jb mga vented na reso skins,sabi ko aantay na lang ako ng walang butas na skin,hehe,salamat! anung bass mo pala tito riff? hehe.angkop kaya skin ko para sa maple mahogany 10 ply? :idea:
sa 22 incher na poor man's maple siya nakakabit. mas OK sa reference yun lalo warm and round yung combo ng kahoy mo. Orgasmic talaga yung set mo. :drool:
Hello there Drum Masters! :wave:
I have a Sonor 507 standard set, and i am planning to replace the stock heads of my toms, as much as possible i would like to get a great sound without putting on muffler rings any recommendations and advice for me :? Budget would be around 2K.Thanks in advance! :mrgreen:
Hello there Drum Masters! :wave:
I have a Sonor 507 standard set, and i am planning to replace the stock heads of my toms, as much as possible i would like to get a great sound without putting on muffler rings any recommendations and advice for me :? Budget would be around 2K.Thanks in advance! :mrgreen:
Brother man! kung pang bahay siya and gusto mo lang bawasan yung Overtones niya, (aka yung tunog "atiatihan"), siguro I'd suggest you replace them with two-ply heads/hydraulic heads. :) with these heads kasi, minimal, if not none existent na halos yung overtones. :)
sa budget mo, pwede mong itry palitan yung heads mo nung LAZER na 2ply heads. i think kasya sa budget mo yun :) baka swertehin ka pa, may mga REMO Encore din sila dun for cheap. :) try mo lang din dumaan :)
Uhm... Try 2ply batter head sa lazer. If may kaunti pang cash, try mo magpalit ng reso. :-D
Sir!I'll try this one, yes nagtanong tanong din ako about sa suggestions mo and i did get a lot of good feedbacks about it. just a quick questionm what brand will that be?remo or something generic?anyway, i'll try and go and purchase it as soon as possible. Many THANKS! :mrgreen:
good day mga chif, kahapon napadaan ako ng jb bago umuwi galing binyag, napabili ako ng remo ambassador clear(wlang makitang coated) para sa snare(impluse buy i admit may amats kasi)
pero nung nakabit ko paguwi ko takte ang sarap sa tenga kaysa dun sa kasamang remo china nung drumset, kahit kaninang umaga na wala na akong amats maganda talaga sa pandinig ko kahit alam kong mali pa ang tono nun haha.
ngayon nangangate akong palitan lahat ng heads ng tom at reso nung snare, ano ba marerecommend nyo? ito naiisip ko
snare emperor batter na, ambassador snare side 3mil
toms emperor batter, ambassador standard 10mil
bass drum head no idea pero saka na siguro
di ko pa sure kung ano gusto kong tunog since di panaman ako magaling, gusto ko lang yung pinaka standard na setup ng karamihan.
salamat ng marami, btw cheapo fernando drums lang gamit ko if that matters sa selection, thanks ulit!
So far so good naman sa head choices bro, pero for the toms, you might wanna consider yung REMO PINSTRIPE. tapos mas manipis ng onti na reso para mas humihinga yung toms mo :)
for the Bassdrum, PowerStroke3 siguro sir. :)
Yung sa snare naman, Emperors are great for snares, lalo na yung coated, pero keep in mind bawas ang overtones niya, so pag sa open venue mo siya gagamitin, magtutunog dead siya. so, you might want to look at the Remo Coated Controlled Sound (Reverse Dot) makapal, pero hindi naman sobra :)
two cents langs sir :)
Thanks chif, sa reso ng toms ambassador na yung 10mil(na batter ng snare) or meron kang specific na marerecommend?
Mas manipis sana papi. para mas mag ring yung toms. :)
ah para kasing ang nakikita ko lang sa remo ambassadors eh 10ply, 3ply saka yung isang klase na 2ply, di kaya masyado manipis yung 3ply?
btw clear na emperor yung nasa snare, pero nasa bahay lang naman yun sarado pa kwarto kaya ikot na ikot yung tunog
Mil ata yung sinasabi mo bro, ply means layer so kung ten ply yun, wala na, pwede na gawing pinggan yun hahaha! :) anyway, mas okay talaga sa reso ang manipis bro. 3Mil sounds good. tapos thick batters parang emperor, pinstripe at powerstrokes. :)
haha sorry i got mixed up, MIL yun dapat angkapal nga nun kung 10ply,
PERO
papalitan ko muna ng coated emperor yung snare saka ambasador hazy reso para masubukan ko kung ok din sya, yung ambs clear ilagay ko muna sa tom masubukan muna yung tunog. salamat ulit
sayang wlang coated emperor sa jb fairview, hazy lang na clear nabili ko(wla ring coated kaya nawiwirdohan tuloy ako kita ko na yung snare stand :eek: )
yung sa tunog di ko ma explain pero gustong gusto ko sya, tapos kada pihit nag iiba yung tono kung ano gusto ko, hindi katulad ng una parang 1 settings lang, ngayon marami nang setting magaganda pa sa tenga.
kaso ganun pala talaga yun, nagkabit ako sa salas namin, pagpasok ko sa kwarto nag adjust ulit ako malaki pala tlga epekto ng kwarto sa maririnig mo, open kasi yung salas while yung kwarto wala maski bintana, pintuan lang na may konting sound proofing
Any thoughts on Aquarian's power trio? :)
Exactly brother man, Like I said earlier, the sound will change depending on the venue variables (i.e. Open Venues, Small Room, Halls, etc.) so you have to consider that when you're replacing your drum heads.
So, nagustuhan mo yung Hazy as reso? :D
wala talagang coated emperor jan kay JB, pwede ka magpaorder pero nasa 1.5k - 1.8k as far as I recall. =))
yep, me gusta :mrgreen:, mukang magiging wierd lahat tingnan kung walng coated na heads para sa toms, isa isahin ko nlng palitan para makabisado ko tunog at kaibahan, ayaw ko munang bumalik ng jb baka mapakaskas ng cymbal mahirap na masisira budget :cry:
ngapala, gusto ko ng malinis na "pak" yng parang pinupukpok na kahoy, 3-4 full turns past finger tight yung ginawa ko sa batter, mga 2-3 naman sa reso katakot bka mapunit. yung wire hinigpitan ko ng husto hirap nnga i lock. hindi ko pa na eexperimentohan masyado kagabi, hays hirap ng malayo ang bahay hindi maenjoy ang hilig
Told you :D hahahaha love the Hazy Reso! hahaha!
Hmmmm... ano bang specs nung snare mo? Size, Depth, shell material?
yung standard 14 ng fernando
Steel?
ganito sya chif
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kulay black lng
Ah okay, so wood siya.
Ayaw mo ng alingawngaw na tunog bakal? (Overtones)
gusto mo as in solid PAK lang? parang tunog ng drums ng itchyworms? :D
sample artist papi para matancha natin.
pero just so you know, limited lang ang tuning capabilities ng snare mo. never expect a picolo sound from a 14 x 5.5 snare. :D lalo na kung 6 lugger lang. pero tingnan natin, sinong artist ba ang gusto mo makuha? :D
ah picolo nga siguro un, pero hanggat kaya nung snare susubukan ko hehe, salamat ng marami chif, gusto ko yung sa tunog ng join the club - nobela
Hihi... sakto good friend ko drummer nila hahahaha!
Anyway, mejo mahihirapan ka makuha yung sound na yun brother kasi una sa lahat, makapal ang drumhead na gamit mo ngayon. Usually Ambassadors yung ginagamit niya eh (with proper muffling) and also, tuning wise, mahihirapan ka makuha yun kasi 6 lugger ang snare mo. what you can do, is to use an ambassador, try a tight tuning on the Batter (Top) and a semi tight reso (bottom), then muffle appropriately using moongel or duct tape.
Brian uses a Sonor Force 13X6 Birch Snare or a Joey Jordison Signature 13 x 6.5 Power Picolo.
Both ambassador heads, pero yung sonor, semi tight lang yung batter tapos muffled. Yung JJ cranked. as in tight talaga.
Hope this helps sir.
wow nice, laking tulong nito chif salamat ng marami, nga pala line 6 spider iv user din ako hehe, kaso mas mahal ko pumalo kaysa kumaskas, gitarista lang namin natutuwang mag experimento dun
Welcome bro hahahaha
OT: Don't get me wrong, the Line6 Spider IV is great solidstate amp. pero yung claim kasi nung guy na yan sa sig ko eh, panis daw ang Dual Rectifier dun. HAHAHAHA #whatisnakakatawa
OT : naman, bka di pa nga nakarinig ng Dual Rectifier + Good player,
Non OT, lilipat ako sa mas malawak lugar sa bahay gagawing bodega yung kwarto ko, dun sa lilipatan ko open sya at malawak, tiles yung sahig kaya ayaw ko dun nakakainis yung tunog, ayaw ko naman mag carpet tamad ako mag linis
Hey man, The Power Trio is a set of Aquarian Triple Threat (Snare), Force Ten (Toms), Super Kick-10). So far, I've heard the Triple Threat and Force Ten.
my thoughts on these are:
Triple Threat = Remo Emperor X Coated
Force Ten = Remo Pinstripes
Thanks bro.. I wanna try the power trio hehe
Try some of these out:
- Tune bottom head higher than top head.
- If bottom head is old, battered and/or sounds dead, replace.
- If bottom head is a thick variety (Pinstripe, G2, Emperor, etc), replace with a thinner one (Diplomat, etc).
- Check bearing edges. If too round, have it shaven to have a more pronounced edge.
I'll skip the third one. I'll get new Ambs/Diplos and see if it makes things any better. But the fact that removing the reso altogether didn't make the issue go away may point me toward a bearing edge problem. That would suck though, and I might end up selling the whole kit for a junior sized Pearl kit or a Medeli kit.
sige, pag may pambili na ako ng bagong heads :-D setup mo na rin yung ML X ko para di sayang yung bisita mo :wink: , mas malayo pa bahay ko kina Guada eh.
Pag naayos mo yung rack toms ko, ewan, basta I owe you one :cute:
you don't need new heads I think. basta parinig muna hahahaha.
EH DI SUNDUIN MO KO. like sa eastwood. or sa katip hahahaha tapos pakainin mo ako HAHAHAHAHA
Look for utube video of bob gatzen,nakakaantok pero very insightful,madami din sa utube na iba.
Ang akin to make it simple,tight ang snare,really tight top,slight top on bottom,on toms same sound ang taas at baba,and the pitch should be your own preference,bass drum loose as in wrinkling skin loose for the batter or the side that you hit,and the skin on front not so much. :-D
those bob gatzen videos are the bomb, you should watch them.
"Tunog balikbayan box" haha... the $h!t. Wag kalimutan ang reso heads ha, tumutulong sya sa ... ahm.. RESOnance. Ika nga sa bokalista eh yan ang pinaka vibrato mo (loosely speaking).
Depende din kasi sa sound na gusto mo. Broadly speaking, dalawang campo yan, yung kumakanta yung drums at yung pang rock. :)
Best to start with the first one. :wink:
Describe ko lang ginagawa ko ah, pero kunin mo lang lahat ng mga tips na ibibigay dito sa thread na to and use what works for you and your kit :)
First step, take your rack toms off the mounts. This will help a lot, kasi hindi sasakit ang katawan mo sa kakastretch sa toms at sa ilalim.
remove both heads from the high tom and start over.
Simula ka sa batter/top head. Place head on the drum, then the hoop, tapos finger tight lahat ng lugs. Take your drum key and turn one lug clockwise one full turn. tapos lipat ka sa lug sa harapan nun, right across the drum, one full turn ulit. tapos lipat ka sa lug sa tabi nun, full turn. tapos yung lug across, full turn. basta criss-cross pattern sya.
Repeat mo lang hanggang hindi na tunog balikbayan box yung head pag tinapik mo ng mga daliri mo. mga 2-3 full turns yun. pag na-reach mo na yung level na to half to 1/4 turns na lang per lug. keep tuning until malapit ka na sa pitch na gusto mo.
Pag malapit ka na sa pitch na gusto mo, put your three fingers at the center of the head and apply light pressure. tapikin mo gamit ng drum key o ng stick yung head sa tapat ng lugs tapos hanapin mo yung pinakamalapit sa gusto mo. Once you find it, tune the other lugs to match the pitch of that lug, at ideally criss-cross pattern pa rin. so tapik, 1/4 turn, check, lipat. tapik, 1/4 turn, check, lipat. in the end dapat lahat ng lugs pareho ang pitch. tapos hampasin mo nang normal gamit yung stick. dapat kumakanta yung drum. pag ok na yan, reso head naman.
Ganun din, pero this time ilapag mo yung batter side sa unan or kumot para ma-mute muna. so head, hoop on, finger tight, tapos criss cross. after nung 2-3 full turns, check mo yung pitch. ang goal mo maging pareho yung pitch ng batter at reso. same techniques apply. pag nahihirapan ka magdistinguish ng pitch na galing sa reso at batter, i-mute mo sya ng kamay mo, apply light pressure sa gitna with three fingers.
Ideally sobrang resonant ng drum mo pag tapos na. Pero kung hindi, try raising the pitch of your reso head. (Pag hindi pa rin, sumuko ka na lang katulad ko at tangalin yung reso head, ayos naman ang tunog nya! "concert toms" ang tawag dyan :wink: ) Pag ok na, move on to the mid tom and the floor tom. same techniques apply
As to the floor tom, gusto ko talaga kumakanta sya. Most people like it thuddy, but personally I think the power of the floor tom comes from the boom it gets from resonating well. Kung masyado boomy para sayo, lagyan mo ng 2 inch piece of duct tape malapit sa edge, no more.
Personally I tune the drums to a major chord para di alanganin yung tunog ng rolls at mas matindi yung effect pag pinagsabay mo yung hataw sa toms. so kunwari yung high tom ko malapit sa G (so), tune ko yung mid tom ng E (mi) at yung floor tom nasa C (do). but of course your mileage may vary, kung ano pa rin ang ok ang tunog, dun ka.
Sa snare, di ako expert dyan. pero ang ginagawa ko, batter head as comfortably tight, meaning basta makuha ko na yung stick response na gusto ko, stop na. reso head, not so tight, basta hindi nya ka-pitch yung rack toms. You can tune the batter head more loose for that 60s-80s sound, tighter if you want more overtones. Ang danger lang sa super tight na batter baka hindi na magrespond sa light taps at ghost notes yung snare wires mo, at baka magwarp pa yung drum or head, o mastrip yung thread ng bolts.
Sa bass drum, di naman ako picky. Reso head basta mawala lang yung wrinkles, pero even tuning pa rin. Batter head, parang snare, pag ok na yung response sa pedal (hindi masyado malambot) stop na. tapos magaan na unan sa loob na nagttouch sa batter at reso nang sabay. Pwede rin jazz style na itune mo nang mataas at parehong pitch yung reso at batter but you might not like it.
Pag hindi talaga maganda tunog, tiyagain mo lang. balikan mo in a couple of weeks, baklasin mo kit mo at i-tune ulit. If you can't make stock heads sound passable, then theres no way new, better heads can improve your tone because you lack the tuning skills :)
Pag may reklamo si Ralph sa tips ko, sa kanya ka makinig :-D
mas expert ka kasi sakin eh, mas refined na ang tone at techniques mo :))
Wala naman pong reklamo. GRABE HA. di naman ako reklamador HAHAHAHA
una sa lahat bro, anong drumheads ang gamit mo?
mas expert ka kasi sakin eh, mas refined na ang tone at techniques mo :))
di pa rin. hahahaha you da man parin! home studio owner ka na eh!ikaw din kaya, may Medeli ka pa oh! :))
topic for the next EB???
Wala naman pong reklamo. GRABE HA. di naman ako reklamador HAHAHAHA
una sa lahat bro, anong drumheads ang gamit mo?
Evans G2 po hirap matono kya ginamitan ko nalang ng muffler para mute hirap itono eh haha :))
Evans G2 po hirap matono kya ginamitan ko nalang ng muffler para mute hirap itono eh haha :) )
G2 is double ply na if im not mistaken, so muffling it might dead-en the sound of your toms if tuned too tight :D 12, 13 and 16 inches po ba ang toms niyo?
Yup 2 ply na yun,kasi talagang Minsan kelangan romansahin ang drums para makita kinikilig ng sound. :cute:
10, 12 and 16 po sir :)
di ko po kasi talaga matono so ang ginagawa ko nalang mute pero gusto ko sana ung open sound kaso naman ang gara ng tunog -.-
beginner lang po kasi ako eh nung nabili ko tong drums sa audiophile di pwede itono kasi di mag kakasya sa box pg iuuwi na haha
Haha! Kelangan naman kasi romansahin,hehe,I like that setup,singing rack toms tapos uber deep floor tom,hehe.sarap Niyan!
Haha! Kelangan naman kasi romansahin,hehe,I like that setup,singing rack toms tapos uber deep floor tom,hehe.sarap Niyan!
pwede mo ba i-describe ng mas detalyado yung tunog pag walang mutes? nacurious lang ako. tsaka ano ang target mo na sound. bigay ka ng album/kanta para mas makatulong kami :)
btw, astig yung fusion kit mo ah. inggit ako. :cry:
Thanks bro !I don't like his floor tom, it's too dead. Hydraulics yung naka salpak eh hahaha. I can't see the badge on the rack toms, Evans ba yun?
kahit parang ganto lang okay na kopero gusto ko din medyo muffled tas ung tunog nya "boom" na ma reso gnun :))
I don't like his floor tom, it's too dead. Hydraulics yung naka salpak eh hahaha. I can't see the badge on the rack toms, Evans ba yun?
Ang dating sakin yung rack toms naka G2 sa taas tapos tuned to the same pitch yung batter at reso, or yung reso mas mataas by a third. yung batter mga 3/4 to 1.5 turns yung after the head starts to resonate. Pag yung kit na yan sinalpakan mo pa ng muffler rings/gels/duct tape/tissue, sobrang dead na sya.
Iba rin kasi ang tunog ng drums na dumaan sa microphone, lalo yung na-mix na sa mga kanta. Yung muffled tapos may boom na ma-reso sa records lang yan naririnig, kasi yung attack nanggagaling sa almost-dead na drum tapos yung tails at "boom" dialed in na sa reverb. Meron nyan sa real life pero ibang iba ang tunog, mas organic at open, dinig mo yung hinagpis nung puno na pinatay para maging kahoy ng drums mo.
Malaki rin ang influence ng room sa tunog na naririnig mo. Usually maaaccentuate nyan yung high frequencies lalo na yung pagka tunog plastik ng toms dahil sa matigas na mga pader, tapos pag carpeted naman di mo maappreciate yung resonance ng drums masyado kasi naaabsorb.
I suggest you tune your G2 and resos to the pitch you want, same pitch on both sides. Tapos bumili ka ng earmuffs sa hardware, mga tig-200 lang yan. Pakinggan mo yung kit mo through the earmuffs. Parang low pass filter yan, so nasisimulate nya yung tunog ng drums sa mic'd environment o kaya sa less reflective room tapos nasa audience ka. Pag hindi ka pa rin happy, isalpak mo yung single ply stock heads mo, tune mo the same way, tapos salpakan mo ng muffler rings. Yung drummer namin nakakuha ng magandang sound sa floor tom nya ng ganyan. Kapag ayaw pa rin, dalhin mo na si Ralph dyan :-D
It's an art bro,I'm ok in tuning drums without mic,pero when it's miced setup bano pako,haha
Tagal ko na din kasi nag ttono wala talaga pag asa dami ko ng pinanood na tutorials -.- HAHAHA
How To Tune Your Toms - Quick & EASY w/ Rob BrownHow to Tune Your Bass Drum - Quick & EASY w/Rob BrownHow To Tune A Snare Drum: Perfect Sound in Less Than 2 Minutes w/Rob Brown
Sir drum tuning has a learning curve...you acquire the skill as you gain more experience, I can't even say if I'm good at it at this point after a few years of doing it. I always thought that there's both science and art to tuning...and I realized you can't do it alone and I'm thankful to this forum for providing a wealth of information, just like the one below that I'm sharing...di ko ito matutuklasan if not for philmusic. It's a take on the practical side of tuning. I tried it and boy I can't believe it but it works :):
http://talk.philmusic.com/index.php?topic=10184.0
Sana may Before and After audio clips :)
Dude, anong method ang gumana? :)
just a weird suggestion. crank up your toms to like the timabale sounding type then tune it lower in quarter turns.dont
forget to push the head after you loosen it. :-D
di kaya nagwarp ang bilog ng toms mo from storage?
I actually like my toms nice and tight, parang yung FT ko tunog pang orchestra.
The lugs won't go so far though, sagad na, at baka nga out of round na sya dahil sa storage.
Notable kasi nung kinuha ko may kalawang yung boots sa loob ng high tom, tapos may amag yung hoop ng bass (pero ok naman yung bass, ganda ng tunog!)
Yung 12" ko ganto rin. Pag nakadetach sa tom arm. Ok tumunog(May sustain). Pero pag nakakabit na sa arm. Wala na. As in patay na patay. May space naman yung bottom rim sa bass drum hindi siya nakadikit. Btw, hindi siya virgin tom.
My 13" sounds ok naman. Ginawa ko na siyang floating floor tom. Ano kaya problema nito? <_<
8-10-14 na raw tayo :wink:
Panong 8-10-14 sir? Hahahaha! Nakakalungkot kasi. Natono mo na ng maayos pero wala sa drumset. Pag nilagay mo sa rack. Patay na. :cry:8 and 10 inch na rack tapos 14 na FT :lol: I swear I've heard 8" toms singing with pinstripes on, eh ako naka 12-13 na G2 ayaw pa rin kumanta! :eek:
8 and 10 inch na rack tapos 14 na FT :lol: I swear I've heard 8" toms singing with pinstripes on, eh ako naka 12-13 na G2 ayaw pa rin kumanta! :eek:
virgin toms ka ba? or yung naka-TOM ARM insert? mejo mas madalas dead sounding ang non virgin toms because of the holes (parang sa vented snare kumbaga)
yung kay bro JVIADO, bro check mo yung tom arms tska mounting hardware ng drums mo, baka may maluwag na or kumakalog. this is another killer of resonance. :)
virgin toms ka ba? or yung naka-TOM ARM insert? mejo mas madalas dead sounding ang non virgin toms because of the holes (parang sa vented snare kumbaga)
yung kay bro JVIADO, bro check mo yung tom arms tska mounting hardware ng drums mo, baka may maluwag na or kumakalog. this is another killer of resonance. :)
8 and 10 inch na rack tapos 14 na FT :lol: I swear I've heard 8" toms singing with pinstripes on, eh ako naka 12-13 na G2 ayaw pa rin kumanta! :eek:
Oo nga sir. Maluwag na nga yung tom arm ko. Pano kaya to? Bili na ko bagong tom arm?
Natono ko siya ng sobrang ganda nung wala sa arm. Pag kabit mo sa tom arm..... :lol: :lol:
Hahahaha!! :lol: G2 Clear over Genera Resonant ako sa toms. TBH, ngayon ko lang narinig tumunog yung drums ko ng maayos. :-D
Pero ok nga yung sinabi ni sir raLpH_pEtRucCi na itune mo yung tom mo sir ng hindi nakamount. :) yun yung issue ko sa 12"ko na tom. Natotono ko siya ng maayos pag hindi nakamount. :)
Oo nga sir. Maluwag na nga yung tom arm ko. Pano kaya to? Bili na ko bagong tom arm?
Natono ko siya ng sobrang ganda nung wala sa arm. Pag kabit mo sa tom arm..... :lol: :lol:
Hahahaha!! :lol: G2 Clear over Genera Resonant ako sa toms. TBH, ngayon ko lang narinig tumunog yung drums ko ng maayos. :-D
Pero ok nga yung sinabi ni sir raLpH_pEtRucCi na itune mo yung tom mo sir ng hindi nakamount. :) yun yung issue ko sa 12"ko na tom. Natotono ko siya ng maayos pag hindi nakamount. :)
actually ralph deads na yung ball mount ko eh (tanging sakit ng yamaha) baka dun din. although true mas resonant nga sya pag tuned off the rack, pero di pa rin ako satisfied eh, boxy talaga.
PROMISE this weekend talaga magrerecord na ako ng samples.
nako, palit na ng mounts. or mount mo via snare stand. i prefer mounting via snare stand hahahaha
Sige sir. Balitaan ko kayo sa tunog pag nakapag palit na ko mounts. Masyado mahal ang snare stand at hindi ako sanay sa pwesto pag snare stand. HAHAHAHA!! :lol:
maraming salamat sir raLpH_pEtRucCi. :-D :-D
pag wala parin, eb na tayo sainyo HAHAHAHAH
nako, palit na ng mounts. or mount mo via snare stand. i prefer mounting via snare stand hahahaha
parang may nabasa ako sa drummerworld forums na tonekill daw yung sa snare stand mo i-mount? totoo ba yun? eh ang lakas ng ang snare eh :|
pwede naman may tennis balls eh. =))
Try mo yung mount ng tom ng Gibraltar,maganda yun humawak ng toms. ^-^
I hate those YESS mounts <_<
Also, the YESS mount "hug" a huge portion of the tom >.< not that huge but enough to affect yung overall sound nya. I ended up placing my old Yamaha on a snare stand. I hate that dead "thunk"
:eek:
(http://www.rhythmbase.co.uk/image/cache/data/products/GM_TOM-1-750x750.jpg)
I should look into that! Nakapagbasa din ako sa ibang forums na may resonance issues din ang Yamaha YESS mounts
tulad ng sakin. Apparently pag umabot ka na sa gitna ng mounting rod nya bigla mamamatay yug resonance ng drum.
for some of the forumers anyway. I'll try locking my toms to the edge of the mounting rod and see if that helps.
I'm still very much open to replacing the mounts though, I hate those YESS mounts <_<
Low probability na it's about the mount, as heads will vibrate kahit non-resonant ang shell. Try looking for canceling tones from other toms that are attached to the mount (bass drum and the other rack tom). Dampen the heads of other drums (batter and reso) and hit it while on the mount. Then trial and error to find out which head cancels the tom.
ayun hahaha so sa mounts nga ang problem hahahaha :D
Mount ang salarin! Astig!
Grabe halos dalawang buwan na patay ang toms mo ah. Hehe.
Po post ko sana pics nung gig maker at absolute series,huli nako,ahaha :eek:
Wala wifi sa Bahay e,sa trabaho lang gamit ko,hehe
(http://i1294.photobucket.com/albums/b605/harugrugrug/cdc896cde8eea604b14b85fddd6b8578_zpse5bd8ffa.jpg)
Ayan siya paps.
^Old maple customs also have non-YESS mounts. I have a 10 inch tom that has this.
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a359/inigomortel/Stuff%20for%20Sale/IMG_5105.jpg) (http://s15.photobucket.com/user/inigomortel/media/Stuff%20for%20Sale/IMG_5105.jpg.html)
My kit's other toms (12, 14, 16) have YESS mounts and I really couldn't make a significant difference on resonance.
^Old maple customs also have non-YESS mounts. I have a 10 inch tom that has this.
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a359/inigomortel/Stuff%20for%20Sale/IMG_5105.jpg) (http://s15.photobucket.com/user/inigomortel/media/Stuff%20for%20Sale/IMG_5105.jpg.html)
My kit's other toms (12, 14, 16) have YESS mounts and I really couldn't make a significant difference on resonance.
^Old maple customs also have non-YESS mounts. I have a 10 inch tom that has this.
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a359/inigomortel/Stuff%20for%20Sale/IMG_5105.jpg) (http://s15.photobucket.com/user/inigomortel/media/Stuff%20for%20Sale/IMG_5105.jpg.html)
My kit's other toms (12, 14, 16) have YESS mounts and I really couldn't make a significant difference on resonance.
I'm tempted to post something stupid like "ser last price po?" but I remembered di pala FB to heheAhaha! Gas Ka na ng omni! Ahaha! Yup! That tom kick serious butt.
I'm tempted to post something stupid like "ser last price po?" but I remembered di pala FB to hehe
#doesnotaffectthesound ehehe
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA yun yung favorite ko eh! basag na yun cymbal tapos may cut na 2 inches tapos #doesnotaffectthesound HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
tska yung favorite nilang: MINT CONDITION. NO LOGOS. WOW.
help mga master sa pag ttune ng drums kakapagod na :))
hahahaha!
http://www.tune-bot.com/
bili ka sa lyric
i have to try the real tune-bot.
i have an android app of tune-bot, then nakalagay dun yung frequencies for the particular tone. May calculation dun, ok kaya yun gamitin?
Magkano ba tune-bot?
sir anong name nung android app yun? thanks!
Tuwing kailan kayo nagpapalit ng resonant heads? Same time ba ng pagpalit ng batter or iba? Ano yung nagtitrigger sa inyo na palitan ito? :)