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Re: Should we allow counterfeit items to be sold in the classifieds?
« Reply #125 on: October 25, 2012, 08:14:46 AM »
ei bro wag mo naman murahin mga mods natin, di naman natin pinapa sweldo yang mga yan. plus libre ang pag gamit sa philmusic so kung ano yung rules nung may-ari, sunod na lang tayo dun.

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Re: Should we allow counterfeit items to be sold in the classifieds?
« Reply #126 on: October 25, 2012, 02:41:29 PM »
ei bro wag mo naman murahin mga mods natin, di naman natin pinapa sweldo yang mga yan. plus libre ang pag gamit sa philmusic so kung ano yung rules nung may-ari, sunod na lang tayo dun.

Agree. Andami namang ibang site dyan. Unless Philmusic lang ang kayang puntahan ng browser mo.
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Re: Should we allow counterfeit items to be sold in the classifieds?
« Reply #127 on: October 25, 2012, 04:11:26 PM »
ANONG KARAPATAN NYO PIGILAN ANG MGA BUYER BUMILI NG CLASS A ITEMS?

KAYO BA MAGBABAYAD?

KAYO BA MAPAPAGOD MAKIPAG-MEET UP?

UU MAY ORIG NGA.. PERO SOBRANG MAHAL AT SAME QUALITY LNG NMAN SA CLASS A.

GAMITIN NYO PO ANG MGA UTAK NYO KUNG MAY MGA PINAG-ARALAN KAYO..

MGA [grape] BA KAYO O SADYANG MALIKOT LANG MGA UTAK NYO?


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Re: Should we allow counterfeit items to be sold in the classifieds?
« Reply #128 on: October 25, 2012, 04:15:16 PM »
Pinag-babawal din po ba magbenta ng class A na item specially 100% working xa?

Specially to my Irig Amplitube.
may orig nito pero same quality pero sobrang mahal..
Made in Japan.

Class A Made in China
Bkit yan bang mga Iphone,Ipad,Itouch nyo.. di ba galing ng China yan?

maging fair po kayo specially to the Admin's here.

dahil mas nagiging practical lng po ang mga musicians ngun dahil sa mahal na mga gamit nla.

pinagkakait ninyo ang kalayaan para mamili ang mga musicians pra sa mga gamit nla..

LABAS NA PO KAYO SA DEAL NG SELLER AT BUYER.

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Hirap ng [grape].
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Re: Should we allow counterfeit items to be sold in the classifieds?
« Reply #129 on: October 25, 2012, 04:17:24 PM »
^^ kalma lang brad  :-D


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Re: Should we allow counterfeit items to be sold in the classifieds?
« Reply #130 on: October 25, 2012, 04:27:38 PM »
Daming usapang peke ngayon ah. Meron yung "authentic" na Gibson, Fender, Ibanez, etc. sa guitar classifieds ngayon. How about mister irigonlineshop? Ano ba issue niya? Pekeng Irig? I never knew may ganun pala. Is it because made in China?

Going back to the non-Iphone era, diba ang Nokia may made in Finland, China, etc? Hindi naman peke yung made in China eh. Unless when the phone is openly called as "China phone", like the ones with tv kahit yung original model wala naman talagang tv. In the case of mister irigonlineshop, I really don't know kung peke nga ba o hindi yung item niya - whether if it's made in China or somewhere else.
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Re: Should we allow counterfeit items to be sold in the classifieds?
« Reply #131 on: October 25, 2012, 08:46:40 PM »
^^ kalma lang brad  :-D

hindi naman ako galit e :P gusto ko lang sabihin na [grape] sha. :P

Daming usapang peke ngayon ah. Meron yung "authentic" na Gibson, Fender, Ibanez, etc. sa guitar classifieds ngayon. How about mister irigonlineshop? Ano ba issue niya? Pekeng Irig? I never knew may ganun pala. Is it because made in China?

Going back to the non-Iphone era, diba ang Nokia may made in Finland, China, etc? Hindi naman peke yung made in China eh. Unless when the phone is openly called as "China phone", like the ones with tv kahit yung original model wala naman talagang tv. In the case of mister irigonlineshop, I really don't know kung peke nga ba o hindi yung item niya - whether if it's made in China or somewhere else.

yung iRig kasi, brand yun. kung sana wlang tatak na iRig. pero yung gamitin nya yung iRig na brand to sell those as iRig Class A, its counterfeit kahit na saan mo tignan.

hindi nya ata matangap yun :p
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Re: Should we allow counterfeit items to be sold in the classifieds?
« Reply #132 on: October 25, 2012, 09:49:52 PM »
yung iRig kasi, brand yun. kung sana wlang tatak na iRig. pero yung gamitin nya yung iRig na brand to sell those as iRig Class A, its counterfeit kahit na saan mo tignan.

hindi nya ata matangap yun :p

I see. I get the picture. Well I guess bawal nga yun dito since bawal nga counterfeit sa PhilMusic.

@ mister irigonlineshop: Hindi lang naman PhilMusic ang market mo eh. Try mo din sa Facebook, Sulit, Ebay, OLX, etc.
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Re: Should we allow counterfeit items to be sold in the classifieds?
« Reply #133 on: October 26, 2012, 05:12:23 PM »
Daming usapang peke ngayon ah. Meron yung "authentic" na Gibson, Fender, Ibanez, etc. sa guitar classifieds ngayon. How about mister irigonlineshop? Ano ba issue niya? Pekeng Irig? I never knew may ganun pala. Is it because made in China?

Going back to the non-Iphone era, diba ang Nokia may made in Finland, China, etc? Hindi naman peke yung made in China eh. Unless when the phone is openly called as "China phone", like the ones with tv kahit yung original model wala naman talagang tv. In the case of mister irigonlineshop, I really don't know kung peke nga ba o hindi yung item niya - whether if it's made in China or somewhere else.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think authentic iRigs are Japan made, and definitely have a gold plated male jack, an embossed "CE" mark on the back, and comes with a registration card thingy. The ones being sold by irigonlineshop do not have gold plated male jacks, the "CE" mark on the back is engraved, and they don't come with registration cards.

Word of advice to people posting on this thread: let us be civil in dealing with this matter. We are not animals, let us conduct ourselves accordingly; let us not resort to foul language.

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Re: Should we allow counterfeit items to be sold in the classifieds?
« Reply #134 on: October 27, 2012, 03:24:10 AM »
Word of advice to people posting on this thread: let us be civil in dealing with this matter. We are not animals, let us conduct ourselves accordingly; let us not resort to foul language.

so you find 'ULOL' foul language? ano ba sa english ang ULOL? hindi ba 'stupid'?

how would you define this way of thinking?

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ANONG KARAPATAN NYO PIGILAN ANG MGA BUYER BUMILI NG CLASS A ITEMS?

KAYO BA MAGBABAYAD?

KAYO BA MAPAPAGOD MAKIPAG-MEET UP?

UU MAY ORIG NGA.. PERO SOBRANG MAHAL AT SAME QUALITY LNG NMAN SA CLASS A.

GAMITIN NYO PO ANG MGA UTAK NYO KUNG MAY MGA PINAG-ARALAN KAYO..

MGA [grape] BA KAYO O SADYANG MALIKOT LANG MGA UTAK NYO?

isnt this plain stupidity? hindi ba kabobohan at kamang-mangan ang pagiisip na ganito?

pardon me if you were offended. im just calling it as it is.
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Re: Should we allow counterfeit items to be sold in the classifieds?
« Reply #135 on: October 27, 2012, 03:28:34 AM »
so you find ULOL foul language? ano ba translation ng ULOL? hindi ba stupid?

how would you define this way of thinking?.

I wasn't referring to you, I was referring to irigonlineshop as he is the one who said "[apple] nyo admin kayo." Got it? Good.

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Re: Should we allow counterfeit items to be sold in the classifieds?
« Reply #136 on: October 27, 2012, 02:40:16 PM »
I wasn't referring to you, I was referring to irigonlineshop as he is the one who said [apple] nyo admin kayo." Got it? Good.

ah. okey. sorry :D

hindi na nya ata mababasa yan. banned na ang hinampak :P
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Re: Should we allow counterfeit items to be sold in the classifieds?
« Reply #137 on: January 22, 2013, 12:16:46 AM »
how about my for trade post?
i indicated "t-style"(definitely important when trading telecaster types),
i indicated "Homage" (that means alot in watch trades, and since the guitar is not a "replica" (could be a replica if i completed the slotted screws, NOS pots and caps)
i indicated "build".
i put the specs of the guitar and everything, the parts used, brands, licensed, 3rd party etc etc etc.
 i indicated that a "repro" decal was used and can be removed by interested party.
i thought i got everything covered big time...
... still got locked.

im lost here, help me out? thanks

Hi boss.

It has a fender decal.  We know you have indicated it as homage, but it could get passed on and on and on until finally someone decides to sell it as an authentic fender. And it has happened.

Mas maigi na lang siguro na tanggalin ang decals ng mga partscaster or other guitars na built from different parts. That is, kung gusto talagang mai-post dito sa PhilMusic.

physically alisin? theres no serial number, nor any indication that will make the guitar any authentic than american burger
i wonder if i can just photoshop it na lang, and not mention the decal? thats how its done in the other forum anyway. tdpri. tgp. mylespaul. where they just block the logo. mas mabilis kasuhan sa kanila right? yet they just allow shooping the headstock. what do you guys think?

i guess my concern is how do i properly advertise it? if i remove "fender" text and one will think what is a "broadcaster?"
if i remove fender text, there are actually fender parts or licensed fender parts in the ad.
what if interested party like the decal too to complete the homage look?

also with regards to counterfeit, fakes etc... i think there should be a sticky on how to spot one. or some kind of neighborhood watch thread, where people can post the guitar they spotted and forum members can chime in how to spot if its fake. or atleast educate potential buyers what to look for in a real guitar e.g. shape. serial. minute details. dates. wood grain. feel of the knurl of the knob. request for an exploded view/detailed pics of disassembled parts, price.

What is the Philmusic stand on parts guitars? As in guitars made up of individual parts collected from other guitars. I'm not sure if this is what I think it is but one of my FS threads was shut down in the bass section. It was made clear that it was a parts bass with a P-series Jazz Bass neck and electronics in a replacement body with aftermarket guard. It was an old thread where I had been a different item, so akala ko routine maintenance to clear threads older than xxx days. When I saw an obviously faked "Fender Jazzmaster" in the guitar classifieds, I started to think na baka namisconstrue yung item ko as a fake. I wasn't passing my bass off as a Fender, but I clearly specified that I had a bass with Fender parts complete with serial number (which I did not mention, although I did state it was P-series MIJ).

Is there a better way to present parts guitars that isn't "misleading" or does the counterfeit restriction also apply to parts guitars?

Sorry, mejo praning. Pero I've been buying and selling here a while and it's the first time na nangyari 'to sakin. I messaged a mod about it (toybitz, was it you?) but I haven't gotten a response. This was months/weeks ago pa. If I should ever go out of line, sana man lang I could've been messaged or flagged or something.

http://talk.philmusic.com/index.php?topic=270546.msg3694299#msg3694299

I ended up selling it for much less. I only priced it that way because I was expecting a lowball and I got one.

sir Riff... my ad was locked by toybitz. -_- http://talk.philmusic.com/index.php?topic=282911

Sir riff. its doesnt seem fair??? kasi my ad is a custom strat. its a john mayer TBO stratocaster and its not the real deal which is a custom shop, only 83 in the world and costs $16k usd... I dont have that kind of money to spend for a guitar.  :-( a mayer fan went out of his way to pay tribute to JM. is that bad??  :cry: i dont think its fair that he categorized my guitar as counterfeit coz the body's not from fender. its a Micsis custom made body for cryin out loud. its not fake? its customed to be like john mayers guitar kahit sa specs and looks man lang...
-_- and it was captain backfire to who did the relicing job. nakalagay naman po clearly sa ad ko na its a custom micsis body tpos i tried reasoning with toybitz kindly pero, bakit ganun??? parang hndi nya naman inexercise ung good judgement?  :-( no exemptions daw kahit custom made :( e andami ko nkkta sa pm. ung iba nga walang tatak pero SG type or strat type. or upgraded parts and project guitars. e bakit tong sakin hndi pwde??? eeeeeeeehhh sighhhsss... btw, this guitar was formerly Nong's. a DIE HARD MAYER FAN... nsa classifieds na to dati pa, pero bkt nung ako na. wla na?? thanks. Bless u.

- post edited as per TS' request


i asked the present seller, si chuckell...hindi original fender body ang binebenta niya. Original fender neck.

so I locked it.

Never mentioned anything about counterfeit (such a strong word). So sa paguusap na lang iyon nila ni Nong iyon.

we locked Esse's gibson replica, so there, I locked the fender replica.

I hope this helps boss.

As far as everybody had agreed, custom made items are fine, as long as it's not decaled/redecaled etc. If we are to give an exemption for custom made copies, personally assembled, relic'd, setup declared as a replica or tribute (with decals and all), would everyone agree?

also there is a matter that I would like to discuss that perhaps might had been overlooked, if not given lesser attention:

Is there a better way to present parts guitars that isn't "misleading" or does the counterfeit restriction also apply to parts guitars?

discuss.
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Re: Should we allow counterfeit items to be sold in the classifieds?
« Reply #138 on: January 22, 2013, 11:39:12 AM »
i like the suggestion above...something that went like..."bakit hindi na lang tanggalin ang decal para mabenta dito sa Philmusic".

that's a proactive and more responsible approach.
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Re: Should we allow counterfeit items to be sold in the classifieds?
« Reply #139 on: January 22, 2013, 02:51:03 PM »
i like the suggestion above...something that went like..."bakit hindi na lang tanggalin ang decal para mabenta dito sa Philmusic".

that's a proactive and more responsible approach.
kaso sir pano pag ung project guitars? gaya ng akin? "Micsis" ang brand ng body ko, nakaindicate naman. bawal po ba un?? Neck ko fender talaga. hindi ba sya nag ffall sa category ng custom guitar??? indicated naman sa ad ko. iibahin ko nalang ung title... FS: Custom Stratocaster (TBO inspired) something like that. pwde ba un?
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Re: Should we allow counterfeit items to be sold in the classifieds?
« Reply #140 on: January 22, 2013, 07:54:17 PM »
kaso sir pano pag ung project guitars? gaya ng akin? "Micsis" ang brand ng body ko, nakaindicate naman. bawal po ba un?? Neck ko fender talaga. hindi ba sya nag ffall sa category ng custom guitar??? indicated naman sa ad ko. iibahin ko nalang ung title... FS: Custom Stratocaster (TBO inspired) something like that. pwde ba un?

May custom guitar na na-lock ang thread:

Based on the discussion, it won't be allowed. Even the $8K '59 Tom Bartlett LP replica FS thread was locked (it has a Gibson Logo).


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Re: Should we allow counterfeit items to be sold in the classifieds?
« Reply #141 on: January 23, 2013, 12:27:28 AM »
May custom guitar na na-lock ang thread:

ni re-decals po ba sya?? ewan ko kung same case ng sakn ung sa LP. hehehe mahirap kasi baklasin at icustom ung body nun.  :-D hayyy. bahala na. hehe
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Re: Should we allow counterfeit items to be sold in the classifieds?
« Reply #142 on: February 04, 2013, 08:35:37 AM »
As discussed and deliberated by the mod team, we're allowing custom made items, redecaled or not as long as exhaustive details were presented. Those who simply redecal their items (e.g. for the sake of upping their item value - "fernando redecaled to gibson" etc.) are not allowed still.

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Re: Should we allow counterfeit items to be sold in the classifieds?
« Reply #143 on: February 04, 2013, 01:21:39 PM »
As discussed and deliberated by the mod team, we're allowing custom made items, redecaled or not as long as exhaustive details were presented. Those who simply redecal their items (e.g. for the sake of upping their item value - "fernando redecaled to gibson" etc.) are not allowed still.

bro, mawalang galang na pero i have to disagree.

once a certain decal is applied where there wasnt originally one, thats a copyright infringement then and there.

the issue isnt whether or not the buyer is aware of the authenticity of the item. that should be a given and sellers should be exhaustive in their representation of their items. a certain brand is the manufacturer's property. they have sole prerogative to use it on the items they deem their own 'creation'. we may not and should not use it at our own dispense, whether or not our copy is better than the original themselves.

OK. some may say 'i use it for my personal use'. Granted, even though that is still disrespectful of the brand.

for example: Rickenbacker protects their brand so carefully that they pounce on reproductions like starved hyenas. More so, on ebay, they actively report sellers who put Rickenbacker truss rod covers on sale. Imagine that. Since the TRCs carry their brand name, they want to keep the prestige of owning a Rick to those who really own them. That is one of their selling point. If anyone can make their copies look like originals, that affects the company's strategy in keeping their business alive.

OK. some may say 'its not as if were copying Ricks. Fenders and Gibsons are everywhere. it wont hurt them like it will smaller companies'.

And AGAIN. That is not the point. For whatever reason they have, they OWN that brand. You should not use it.

OK. for some cases where the guitar is made up of different parts, one may say 'but that was an original Fender body. I could certainly use that decal'.

Well, you may definitely say that body was from a Fender but it doesnt warrant the use of a decal on a headstock where it never had one.

For guitars with a different body but has an original Fender neck, well lucky you. But that should be mentioned.

MODS, to allow custom made items to make use of a brand name where it shouldnt be at and yet at the same time disallow those who simply re-decal their items is a double-standard. It's indirectly saying you can get away with it because you have resources.

I suggest we make it as simple as this: you may not put on sale a guitar/item that has a decal/brand name where it never had one.

I think that is fair and is less open for contention.
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Re: Should we allow counterfeit items to be sold in the classifieds?
« Reply #144 on: February 05, 2013, 06:18:15 AM »
Point taken, but our decision is that we'd like to exercise a bit of leniency here. We do not want to encourage people to just start re-decaling their guitars like crazy, but for what it's worth, I would rather focus on the seller's INTENT. I believe that the re-decaling of the guitars in question here is just for aesthetic purposes (even Gil Yaron and Bartlett do this), and as long as all re-decaling/modding is publicly declared with no intention of duping someone or increasing the value of their item, then it shouldn't be a problem. Truth be told, it's quite amazing and perplexing at the same time that we're so particular about decals. If we're really going to be completely legalistic about this matter, then all Strat-like guitars shouldn't be allowed to be posted in the Classifieds (especially the Japanese lawsuit guitars such as Tokai, Fresher Straighter, Greco and even Suhr to a certain extent) because more than the logo, those guitars copied the parts, aesthetics/layout, etc. of the Fender Stratocaster. The same goes with Teles, LPs, SGs, etc. Then let's open another can of worms by looking at the DIY pedals that other "builders" just copied from DIY websites. It can only get more complicated from this point on.

The sales transactions done by most forumites via PhilMusic are technically personal transactions and not business transactions. This may be an extreme example, but it's like a forumite selling his well-used but trusty Acer laptop with an Apple sticker at the back (or on top of the logo even) to someone as an Acer with an Apple sticker on it. If the intent is not to dupe the buyer into thinking that the laptop that he's selling is an Apple (which would require the buyer to be a complete moron for him to fall for this one, but this is just a hypothetical example), then it should be fine. However, if the forumite does this without full disclosure of his item's particulars to maximize his profit, then we can classify this member as one who intends to sell his item for business purposes. And speaking of "business purposes," allowing "businesses" to operate in PhilMusic even without proper registration and documentation is an even bigger and more serious issue, one that I personally wish to resolve as soon as possible. Screening entities who intend to do business here will effectively take out those who want to earn a quick buck by regularly selling Class A/misrepresented guitars.

Anyway, going back, I'll just reiterate our current ruling: we will allow "custom" guitar builds as long as they are publicly declared and are for private purposes/transactions only. However, this new rule is still on its test phase. As soon as we see someone abusing this rule, we'd have to completely ban re-decaled or custom guitar builds altogether. Having said that, we'll need the help of the entire community (especially the Watch Team) in policing the items being posted here.
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Re: Should we allow counterfeit items to be sold in the classifieds?
« Reply #145 on: February 20, 2013, 04:50:13 PM »
ehehe opinion ko lang toh ha, di ko na binasa lahat kasi ang hahaba , me flames

mejo malalim kasi ang term na counterfeit sating mga pinoy weh

suggest ko lang mga buyer is be vigilant sa pagbili, alamin and cons and pros

check all the specs and details , , test it many times until your hearts desire, ikaw ang buyer weh  :-\

then pag satisfy ka na buy it if u want it..

meron tayong tintawag na copy, semi orig, semi copy ,orig , custom made etc etc

matagal na rin naman me mga items na ganito 80's pa sa Vmapa pa nga nuon weh,pero di naman

umaangal ung mga nabili dun

kahit ako bumili na rin dati nang local copy, anyweizz, nasa ating mga buyer pa rin un..

peace mga bro, no offense meant to anyone  :idea:
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Re: Should we allow counterfeit items to be sold in the classifieds?
« Reply #146 on: June 22, 2013, 11:48:14 PM »
As discussed and deliberated by the mod team, we're allowing custom made items, redecaled or not as long as exhaustive details were presented. Those who simply redecal their items (e.g. for the sake of upping their item value - "fernando redecaled to gibson" etc.) are not allowed still.

I also would like to announce the recently inducted members of the "classifieds watch team" to help us mods in implementing fair trade across PM's Classified Boards.


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mga sir tanong ko lang kc binura ng 1 of the mods ung IFS ko elegee na custom strat with fender decals I included all the details and stated that its fenderized the price is fair the decal were put there for aesthetic purposes hnd para increase ung price. now is there anyway that i can still post it? i mean its given its an elegee "fenderized" custom strat if the buyer wants a fender then he/she can just simply ignore my post and look for another IFS. mga boss pinaghirapan ko ung post na un, took pictures ,rent a PC just for it to be posted then buburahin lang hnd ko nman sinabeng orig na fender eh ive included all the details as stated above but still may nag bura pa dn. will wait for ur reply salamt!

http://talk.philmusic.com/index.php?topic=295435.msg4061997#msg4061997

Offline Riff_6603

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Re: Should we allow counterfeit items to be sold in the classifieds?
« Reply #147 on: August 16, 2013, 03:49:02 AM »

also there is a matter that I would like to discuss that perhaps might had been overlooked, if not given lesser attention:

What is the Philmusic stand on parts guitars? As in guitars made up of individual parts collected from other guitars. I'm not sure if this is what I think it is but one of my FS threads was shut down in the bass section. It was made clear that it was a parts bass with a P-series Jazz Bass neck and electronics in a replacement body with aftermarket guard. It was an old thread where I had been a different item, so akala ko routine maintenance to clear threads older than xxx days. When I saw an obviously faked "Fender Jazzmaster" in the guitar classifieds, I started to think na baka namisconstrue yung item ko as a fake. I wasn't passing my bass off as a Fender, but I clearly specified that I had a bass with Fender parts complete with serial number (which I did not mention, although I did state it was P-series MIJ).

Is there a better way to present parts guitars that isn't "misleading" or does the counterfeit restriction also apply to parts guitars?

Sorry, mejo praning. Pero I've been buying and selling here a while and it's the first time na nangyari 'to sakin. I messaged a mod about it (toybitz, was it you?) but I haven't gotten a response. This was months/weeks ago pa. If I should ever go out of line, sana man lang I could've been messaged or flagged or something.

http://talk.philmusic.com/index.php?topic=270546.msg3694299#msg3694299

I ended up selling it for much less. I only priced it that way because I was expecting a lowball and I got one.

discuss.

Resurrecting the thread. Medyo umikot tayo sa decal issue noon, na-overlook na yung frankenstein/partscaster topic. Inputs anyone? The mod team is pretty OK with it, I would like to hear the forumites' side this time around.

mauna na ako magsabi - "Can of worms now open" :idea:

Offline rtf_axeman

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Re: Should we allow counterfeit items to be sold in the classifieds?
« Reply #148 on: August 16, 2013, 07:40:48 AM »
discuss.


Resurrecting the thread. Medyo umikot tayo sa decal issue noon, na-overlook na yung frankenstein/partscaster topic. Inputs anyone? The mod team is pretty OK with it, I would like to hear the forumites' side this time around.

mauna na ako magsabi - "Can of worms now open" :idea:

imo its alright, as long as DECLARED, not that anyone would actually buy one  :wave:

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Re: Should we allow counterfeit items to be sold in the classifieds?
« Reply #149 on: August 16, 2013, 01:36:50 PM »
imo its alright, as long as DECLARED, not that anyone would actually buy one  :wave:

+1. The concern comes when even the seller does not know whether or not the item s/he is selling is counterfeit/frankenstein/whatever. Not everyone one of us here are knowledgeable about the musical instruments we play. This is where the Classifieds watch team, the entire community and the "Report to Moderator" button comes in, I guess.

A question for the mods, what happens when a forumer hits the "Report to Moderator"/RTM button? I clicked it once earlier this week, and was satisfied to see the immediate result. I'm asking this with due recognizance of the effort the sellers make in posting their items. At para na rin masigurado kong hindi ako, bilang yun taong pinindot ang RTM button, nakaka-agrabyado.