my input / para sa mga potential buyers:
1) please, always do your research about the item that you are getting - it saves time and money.
2) read and research: you get to be well-informed and knowledgeable - less likely to get scammed. read the product reviews as well.
3) if possible, puntahan nyo na lang yung seller sa house nila - test hanggang sawa ka dun. iwas ka pa sa no-shows/indian. pag nagka problema, at least alam mo na kung saan mo sya hahanapin
4) extensively check the item that you are getting. wag kang magmadali. better safe than sorry.
5) go over the ad, read the ad carefully - some questions regarding the item you are eyeing is already there at the ad.
hmmm.. yun lang.
BUYERS:
1. Make sure na maayos ang usapan at lahat ng doubts about sa item na bibilhin eh sabihin na nang maliwanagan.
2. Huwag magtanong ng magtanong sa buyer dahil nakakabuwiset yun. Gaya nga nung sinabi ni Sir Electrosushi, do your own research tapos chaka mo icompare kung tama ba yung nalalaman mo sa sinasabi niya.
3. Huwag tumawad kung hindi naman kailangan bawasan yung presyo. Dati bumili ako ng gitara at tinanggap ko ang fixed price niya na 9k. Pero pagkita namin, eh tabingi yung neck, so dun na ako tumawad kasi ipapagalaw ko pa yung guitar at wala akong pera para dun.
4. Dapat mag-agree kayo sa TIME and PLACE dahil kung hindi, eh maghahanapan kayo niyan. May nakameet ako nung kailan lang, may ka-deal siya sa Trinoma tapos nasira yung cellphone niya eh hindi niya pa alam kung saan sila magkikita nung seller, ayun ewan ko kung anong nangyare. Sana successful yung deal nila.
5. Dapat legit ang pangalan ng seller at alam mo ang address, at REAL name niya. Para pag may internal problems yung item na binili mo eh meron kang babalikan hindi yung ikaw yung matatalo.
i am from Davao City, so things are harder to me than usual both as buyer and seller, pero over the years i have perfected a system.
AS BUYER (applies only to items 4K and above, i give a lot of leeway to cheaper stuff):
-will only pay thru bank deposit
-make sure that the seller has a decent track record.
-check the seller's communication skills, age and work. the better the job is, the least you'd have to worry about getting scammed.
-check to see how consistent the seller is ... if i detect any form of inconsistency, im backing out.
and finally ... bad deals are different from scams. learn to accept bad deals and move on. i have had a lot of bad deals, and i am ok with it... i understand the risk in transacting online.
funny though, i have had more bad deals in pinas than in ebay or talkbass. to be honest, i trust them sellers more, hehe.
SELLERS:
1. Kumpleto dapat ang information about sa thread, at ito ang reference:
- Matinong thread title, Ex. (FS/FT: Ibanez GSA60 (BLACK) 8k FIXED!)
- Specifications
- Issues/Flaws
- Pictures
- Possible meet-up places
- Cellphone/Landline numbers and if possible, a Facebook account/Yahoo Messenger account
- RFS/RFT (Reason for selling/Reason for trading)
2. Ientertain ang mga buyers
3. Make sure you both have each other's trust.
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Percussions (Drums, Cymbals, etc.)
I. Buying
A. Brand new
1. be sure to buy on genuine seller, i mean yung may permit,.. or para makamura bumili sa kaibigan / kakilala,.. if stranger ang seller, look for serial number for cymbals,
same sa drum shells, look also sa stamps logos if smooth finished..
compare the Suggested Retail Price "SRP" to the pricing of the seller
B. Second hand
1. for cymbals, if needed use a magnifying glass and check for dents or cracks around the edge of the cymbal , check also the hole it must be in PERFECT CIRCLE
second priority is the cosmetics, check for the stains and scratches, also for the logo, if the logo is still there check the stiff surface of the logo and compare it to the wide surface of the cymbal, it must be almost same in color, because it means that it was barely polished, and it was nice because its your choice to polished it or not,.. "wrong polishing leads the cymbal to cracked"
ask the owner for what cleaning chemical did they use.. decline if you hear metal polisher or any polisher used in appliances or "CAT/ROTC patches"
compare the Suggested Retail Price "SRP" to the pricing of the seller
for drum shells/hardware
check for rusty parts like washers lugs and all metal parts, it must be in clean good condition, still it depends on the price .. also look for bearing edges, cracks for the shell, no threads must be loose, look for the color of the shell and tap it, it must sound crisp, because if it sounds like "makunat" maybe that shells are soaked or wet once or more,.. that will ruin the flow of sound waves..
compare the Suggested Retail Price "SRP" to the pricing of the seller
C. Brand new condition
1. check for receipt and boxes, also look for fingerprints, "cause of handling with hands sweating"
look for dust if it is kept nicely.. in short it must be like new as the seller says,.. it depends pa din sa usapan and pricing
compare the Suggested Retail Price "SRP" to the pricing of the seller
I. Selling
A. Brand new
1. your item must be Genuine
you must be selling the item with your enough knowledge of the item you were selling
you must be reasonable with your price
B. Second hand
1. you must prepare and clean your item before posting it, for fast and presentable ads
YOU MUST INFORM ALL THE ISSUES OF THE ITEM YOU WERE SELLING EITHER SMALL OR BIG!! "damn tamaan ka sana!!TAKE NOTE OF THIS i'm one of the VICTIM! i will not include your name pero makonsensya ka naman!
take note of this sellers and buyers NO HIDDEN DEFECTS!
C. Brand new condition
1. your item must be Genuine
you must be selling the item with your enough knowledge of the item you were selling
you must be lowered with your price compare to the brand new
i am from Davao City, so things are harder to me than usual both as buyer and seller, pero over the years i have perfected a system.
AS SELLER:
-do not accept verbal reservations. only reserve an item for 3 hours, anything longer than that, i am more than happy to accept the money and ship the item to the guy that would pay.
-only accept payments thru my bank account
-put lots of good quality pictures
-write all 'must know' stuff in bullet form
and finally ... bad deals are different from scams. learn to accept bad deals and move on. i have had a lot of bad deals, and i am ok with it... i understand the risk in transacting online.
funny though, i have had more bad deals in pinas than in ebay or talkbass. to be honest, i trust them sellers more, hehe.
CHARACTERISTICS OF A FRIGGIN SCAMMER:
1. He/She keeps changing the info about the product he/she gives to the buyer.
2. He/She does not show up at your desired meeting place for a number of times.
3. He/She does not want the buyer to test or even post pictures of the said item.
Huwag magtanong ng stupid questions!
- "Nung binili mo ba yan naka-kahon?"
- "Paano ang tunog nyan?"
- "Bakit walang case? Diba pag bnew dapat may kasamang case?"
- "Wala ka na bang binebentang ibang items?" or maghahanap ng wala naman dun sa binebenta.
- At ang pinaka-nakaka-inis sa lahat "Kuya, magkaano yung item mo?" at "Ano nga ba yung binebenta mo?"
Fixed price is FIXED. Bakit tatawad pa?
Kapag nagbebenta ako, binibigay ko na lahat ng info, issues at pictures. Kaya mag-basa muna bago mag-tanong.
@TS
magpost ka na rin ng template para sa mga sellers (para pwede nila i-copy/paste)
important points:
location/meet-up locations (kainis kase kung kelangan pang tanungin)
FS, FSO, FT, FTO, FS or FT
more substantial RFS (got a new one, gathering dust, quitting, need cash, it's complicated)
kung meron nang ganito, okay mananahimik na ako, hehehe
Percussions (Drums, Cymbals, etc.)
I. Buying
A. Brand new
1. be sure to buy on genuine seller, i mean yung may permit,.. or para makamura bumili sa kaibigan / kakilala,.. if stranger ang seller, look for serial number for cymbals,
same sa drum shells, look also sa stamps logos if smooth finished..
compare the Suggested Retail Price "SRP" to the pricing of the seller
B. Second hand
1. for cymbals, if needed use a magnifying glass and check for dents or cracks around the edge of the cymbal , check also the hole it must be in PERFECT CIRCLE
second priority is the cosmetics, check for the stains and scratches, also for the logo, if the logo is still there check the stiff surface of the logo and compare it to the wide surface of the cymbal, it must be almost same in color, because it means that it was barely polished, and it was nice because its your choice to polished it or not,.. "wrong polishing leads the cymbal to cracked"
ask the owner for what cleaning chemical did they use.. decline if you hear metal polisher or any polisher used in appliances or "CAT/ROTC patches"
compare the Suggested Retail Price "SRP" to the pricing of the seller
for drum shells/hardware
check for rusty parts like washers lugs and all metal parts, it must be in clean good condition, still it depends on the price .. also look for bearing edges, cracks for the shell, no threads must be loose, look for the color of the shell and tap it, it must sound crisp, because if it sounds like "makunat" maybe that shells are soaked or wet once or more,.. that will ruin the flow of sound waves..
compare the Suggested Retail Price "SRP" to the pricing of the seller
C. Brand new condition
1. check for receipt and boxes, also look for fingerprints, "cause of handling with hands sweating"
look for dust if it is kept nicely.. in short it must be like new as the seller says,.. it depends pa din sa usapan and pricing
compare the Suggested Retail Price "SRP" to the pricing of the seller
I. Selling
A. Brand new
1. your item must be Genuine
you must be selling the item with your enough knowledge of the item you were selling
you must be reasonable with your price
B. Second hand
1. you must prepare and clean your item before posting it, for fast and presentable ads
YOU MUST INFORM ALL THE ISSUES OF THE ITEM YOU WERE SELLING EITHER SMALL OR BIG!! "damn tamaan ka sana!!TAKE NOTE OF THIS i'm one of the VICTIM! i will not include your name pero makonsensya ka naman!
take note of this sellers and buyers NO HIDDEN DEFECTS!
C. Brand new condition
1. your item must be Genuine
you must be selling the item with your enough knowledge of the item you were selling
you must be lowered with your price compare to the brand new
For the buyer and seller:
1. They must exchange personal informations and references to each other. (must be verified first)
Pictures.
Videos.
Mobile numbers.
Landline numbers.
Fax numbers.
Office address.
Home address.
Name of Father.
Name of Mother.
Birthplace.
Birthday.
Nationality.
Likes and dislikes.
Slogan.
Huwag tumawad kung walang pambili. :-D
dapat ring mag-ingat sa mga G-cash transactions. mas okey pa 'yung bank deposit transactions, maaari mong ma-trace yung account.
ang hirap sa buyers gusto brand new barat naman.yer right bro.
eto pa.
yung mga nang hhijack ng thread ng seller, sasabihin "ang mahal naman ng ano mo. kay ganito mas mababa presyo. dun nalang kayo bumili."
eto worse:
"ang mahal naman niyan. sakin ganito lang presyo. goodluck." tapos pag may nag inquire sisingit siya "sakin ka nalang bumili ganito lang presyo."
ako lang ba naiinis sa ganito o normal lang siya? pambabastos na yun di ba? respeto sa pricing ng bawat isa. makikita din naman ng buyers yung thread ng iba at makakapagdecide kung alin ang pipiliin niyang presyo. kung iisipin mo sa totoong buhay para mo naring siniraan yung kapwa mo nagnenegosyo. respeto lang di ba.
I think maganda if this would be stickied sa classifieds. It would be nice to have some kind of standards or set of rules for defining the condition/cosmetics of the item.
"Scenario:
Scammer sees "Item A" from Items for Sale section and sees the Bank Details of the Seller. Scammer notifes Seller about his intention to get "Item A"
Scammer posts another Item for Sale ("Item B" which could be different Item type with "Item A") with the same price of Item A. He also posts the bank details of Seller of Item A
Buyer of Item B notifies hsi intention to buy and deposist money in Seller's Bank details. After notifying the Scammer, Scammer then notifies Seller that he already deposited the money in his account. Seller sends "Item A" to Scammer which Buyer paid for to get "Item B". Buyer of Item B of course would not receive any items from the money he deposited in Seller's bank account."
SOURCE: http://www.tipidpc.com/viewtopic.php?tid=198361&page=1
For Sellers:
Please post pictures on your ad. And not just a link to Sulit or other ad sites. PhilMusic is not Sulit's extension. If you want to sell your ware, it takes only 5 minutes to learn how to post pictures here.
Good day!
I have a scenario na gustong malinawan, if this is LEGAL/OK?
Seller A, sells Item A for a very cheap price. Item A is minty lets say 9/10 and 10/10 functionality and for its price its a steal.
Buyer A, buys the Item A immediately like a day or after ita has been posted.
Few days past maybe less than a week or so.
Buyer A, sells the same Item A, now with a higher value.
Let's just say its none of anybody's business, but looking at it its a coward's thing to do (IMO). What do you think mga sir?
PHILMUSIC NEWBIE BUY AND SELL FOR DUMMIES(hints,tips,scam proofing,do's and dont's)
4. Alam ko binanggit ko na sa number 3 pero uulitin ko ulit dito na itanong kung may defect ba or issues. At kung meron at gusto mo talaga yung pedal at gagana pa din naman makipagnegotiate ka kung paano magiging arrangements niyo. Mahirap yung nabili mo na yung item tapos pagdating mo sa bahay saka mo nalaman yung mga defects niya. Iba siyempre yung defects na napagusapan niyo na bago iclose ang deal kaysa sa mga susulpot na defects kung kailan naiuwi mo na yung item.
Good day!
I have a scenario na gustong malinawan, if this is LEGAL/OK?
Seller A, sells Item A for a very cheap price. Item A is minty lets say 9/10 and 10/10 functionality and for its price its a steal.
Buyer A, buys the Item A immediately like a day or after ita has been posted.
Few days past maybe less than a week or so.
Buyer A, sells the same Item A, now with a higher value.
Let's just say its none of anybody's business, but looking at it its a coward's thing to do (IMO). What do you think mga sir?
Good day!
I have a scenario na gustong malinawan, if this is LEGAL/OK?
Seller A, sells Item A for a very cheap price. Item A is minty lets say 9/10 and 10/10 functionality and for its price its a steal.
Buyer A, buys the Item A immediately like a day or after ita has been posted.
Few days past maybe less than a week or so.
Buyer A, sells the same Item A, now with a higher value.
Let's just say its none of anybody's business, but looking at it its a coward's thing to do (IMO). What do you think mga sir?
ask lang po about sa pag up... every 24hours po ba or pag nag change na ng date... like for example ee 6am ka po nag post ng Feb. 4 tapos 12mn na ng Feb. 5 pwede na po ba mag up nun? thank you... newbie po kaya nag tatanong...
change date ang basis
very informed details and info..salamat sa tips mga bossings..i've been a victim once, hindi na tlga yun mauulit.. :-(
taga-dito ba sa philmusic ang nambiktima sayo?
Hello I am a newbie po mga sir
Ask ko lang kung saang thread pwedeng mag post ng for sale na pedals?
Salamat po in advance! :-D
http://talk.philmusic.com/index.php?board=168.0
That is for guitar related pedals.