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Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
« Reply #800 on: August 26, 2014, 08:17:13 AM »
Good day, is a power conditioner same with power filter?
can they solve the static/noise that I hear after recording a track at home?
And what brand or model can you recommend to me?
currently eyeing for a furman pst-6 hehe,
thanks :)

will backread more later.

I think they're the same thing. It still depends on the source of the static/noise, but it's still a good piece of gear to have and will help eliminate extra noise that comes from the power line, and help keep your gear alive too.
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« Reply #801 on: September 15, 2014, 09:33:49 AM »
Okay noob question. Say I have an audio interface that can record 2 tracks at a time, with 2 (not combo) XLR and 2 TRS inputs, and 1 phantom power switch (for both not for each input). Like this one: http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/MTrackPlus.html

Is phantom power only applied sa XLR inputs? or also sa TRS?

With phantom power ON, is it okay if I:
1)use a condenser (XLR) and a dynamic mic (XLR) at the same time?
2)use a condenser (XLR) and a guitar (TRS) at the same time?

Thank you very much!

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« Reply #802 on: September 15, 2014, 10:04:49 AM »
Okay noob question. Say I have an audio interface that can record 2 tracks at a time, with 2 (not combo) XLR and 2 TRS inputs, and 1 phantom power switch (for both not for each input). Like this one: http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/MTrackPlus.html

Is phantom power only applied sa XLR inputs? or also sa TRS?

With phantom power ON, is it okay if I:
1)use a condenser (XLR) and a dynamic mic (XLR) at the same time?
2)use a condenser (XLR) and a guitar (TRS) at the same time?

Thank you very much!

Yes, it's fine :) yung phantom power sa XLR lang, at di naman naapektuhan ang dynamic nung phantom power  :-D
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« Reply #803 on: September 15, 2014, 10:12:02 AM »
Yes, it's fine :) yung phantom power sa XLR lang, at di naman naapektuhan ang dynamic nung phantom power  :-D

Ayun, so sa XLR input lang nga hahaha. Thanks!!

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Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
« Reply #804 on: September 15, 2014, 10:21:07 AM »
Plug your mics first, then turn on the phantom.
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« Reply #805 on: October 13, 2014, 09:40:55 AM »
How do you "cleanly" raise/boost a recorded guitar with low volume level? Hindi na kasi namin pwede ulitin eh. Yung other instruments tama ang level, yung guitar mahina (medyo maliit yung waveform, pero hindi naman maliit na maliit) kaya pag nagmix ako hinahabol ko pababa, kaya overall nagiging mababa level ng buong kanta, mga 60-70% ng dapat na level lang ang nagagawa ko. Pano kaya?

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« Reply #806 on: October 13, 2014, 09:52:34 AM »
How do you "cleanly" raise/boost a recorded guitar with low volume level? Hindi na kasi namin pwede ulitin eh. Yung other instruments tama ang level, yung guitar mahina (medyo maliit yung waveform, pero hindi naman maliit na maliit) kaya pag nagmix ako hinahabol ko pababa, kaya overall nagiging mababa level ng buong kanta, mga 60-70% ng dapat na level lang ang nagagawa ko. Pano kaya?
feeling ko mali ito pero baka pwede mo itaas yung level ng guitar track using plugins (pang amplify, or yung mga output level fader sa mga EQ), or same plugin pero sa master track mo ilalagay. Mas malinis siguro kung yung guitar lang ang itataas.
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« Reply #807 on: October 13, 2014, 10:04:31 AM »
^Oo nga no, try ko padaanin sa something na maamplify, acoustic kasi eh na mic'd satisfied na sana ako sa tunog EQ na lang ginalaw ko ng konti pero yun nga mahina..

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« Reply #808 on: October 13, 2014, 10:48:23 AM »
^Oo nga no, try ko padaanin sa something na maamplify, acoustic kasi eh na mic'd satisfied na sana ako sa tunog EQ na lang ginalaw ko ng konti pero yun nga mahina..


download a loudness maximizer plugin. LOUDMAX search mo. yun ang gamit kong pangamplify ng mga acoustic tracks ko.
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« Reply #809 on: October 13, 2014, 10:54:06 AM »

download a loudness maximizer plugin. LOUDMAX search mo. yun ang gamit kong pangamplify ng mga acoustic tracks ko.

question sir, naeencounter mo ba sa plugin na ito yung nagpupump yung volume dahil sa compression/limiting? yung mga tracks ko kasi alam ko mahina  and sure ako sa settings ko rin pero di ko ever matimpla na lalakas yung track na pang loudness wars level na hindi nagpupump yung volume nya dahil sa compression.
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« Reply #810 on: October 13, 2014, 11:07:00 AM »
^Salamat sa mga reply! :)

Nilista ko na hehe!

oohhhh loudness war. lurk mode na lang ako walang alam eh haha

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« Reply #811 on: October 13, 2014, 11:19:32 AM »
question sir, naeencounter mo ba sa plugin na ito yung nagpupump yung volume dahil sa compression/limiting? yung mga tracks ko kasi alam ko mahina  and sure ako sa settings ko rin pero di ko ever matimpla na lalakas yung track na pang loudness wars level na hindi nagpupump yung volume nya dahil sa compression.


well, yes. hahaha kaya may eq at compressor parin ako sa chain. mas gusto ko lang na pangamplify yung loudness maximizer kesa sa sliders ng track. pero in time, sa tamang pag gamit ng threshold nung maximizer, mahuhuli mo rin.

disclaimer, sa acoustic track at vocal track ko lang sya ginagamit.
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« Reply #812 on: October 13, 2014, 11:35:50 AM »
^Salamat sa mga reply! :)

Nilista ko na hehe!

oohhhh loudness war. lurk mode na lang ako walang alam eh haha

Loudness War: yung time na full-swing ang music industry nun at CD ang de facto format ng music. peak ng loudness wars yung 90s to early 2000s.

Ang ginagawa ng mga record companies noon, gumagawa sila ng mga "hot" records, meaning yung mga levels ng tracks noon sagad lagi sa 0db, kaya pag-rip mo ng mga CD's nung panahon na yun, puro square kasi naka clip halos lahat, into at fade out lang ang hindi.

Ginawa nila to thinking na pag mas malakas ang tracks mo, mas attention grabbing (duh) at nagtatranslate yun sa mas mataas na sales. At siya nga naman, kung nagrelease ka ng well-mastered record sa panahon na yun, malamang hindi maririnig yung music mo compared sa nakakabingi na records.

Saktong grunge/nu metal/hip hop/rap pa ang uso noon kaya hindi napapansin ng tao masyado na ultra compressed ang mga pinapakinggan nila, walang dynamics, walang air, nakakfatigue. Fortunately dahil sa advocacy ng ilang mga engineers at artists na feeling engineer, nagkaroon naman ng movement toward normalcy. Although pumapalo pa rin ng 0db ang mga tracks ngayon, usually peaks na lang sya, hindi na yung 90% ng track.

Para marinig yung difference ng loudness war era na music tsaka yung noon at ngayon, try mo pakinggan side by side yung mga albums na to pero wag mo gagalawin yung volume knob mo:

Pre-Loudness War:
Kill em All - Metallica
Off the Wall - Michael Jackson

Loudness war era:
Sa Wakas - Sugarfree
Fragmented - Up Dharma Down (particularly Pag-Agos)
Meteora - Linkin Park
Invincible - Michael Jackson
Death Magnetic - Metallica (original release)
Crash - Dave Matthews Band

Post-Loudness war:
Tala-Arawan - Sugarfree
Capacities - Up dharma Down
A Thousand Suns - Linkin Park
Michael - Michael Jackson
Death Magnetic - Metallica (Guitar Hero mix)
Away from the World - Dave Matthews Band
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« Reply #813 on: October 13, 2014, 11:42:01 AM »
Yan pala yung napanood ko sa youtube dati nung nagsearch ako ng Dani California, comparison ng CD at Vinyl version.. hmm

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« Reply #814 on: October 13, 2014, 11:57:01 AM »
Yan pala yung napanood ko sa youtube dati nung nagsearch ako ng Dani California, comparison ng CD at Vinyl version.. hmm

medyo unfair pa yung ikumpara sa vinyl version kasi talagang hindi ka pwede mag master beyond a certain point or else sabog mismo yung grooves nung plaka. sa digital kasi, pwede ka magmaster kahit gaano kalakas, magcclip lang yung signal. Dun mo makikita na nag-effort na rin yung mga producers na magprint ng mas tamang mix na kahit papaano matutuwa yung engineer.
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« Reply #815 on: October 13, 2014, 12:14:34 PM »
Sabi nga ni Tom Petty.. "Recording, it's an entirely different art form."

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« Reply #816 on: October 13, 2014, 01:20:18 PM »
Sabi nga ni Tom Petty.. "Recording, it's an entirely different art form."

word. His segment in Sound City comes to mind. Ibang iba pa ang recording noon! Live tracking, full band, bleed everywhere!  :lol:
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« Reply #817 on: October 13, 2014, 04:01:33 PM »
^IMO dapat yung pinakacore ng song full band sabay sabay talaga, mas may feel pa rin.

Oo nga sir, sa sound city docu ko yata yan narinig! :) Nakakatawa yung part na ineexplain ni Neve mismo yung console kay Dave Grohl hahah

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« Reply #818 on: October 13, 2014, 04:20:45 PM »
^IMO dapat yung pinakacore ng song full band sabay sabay talaga, mas may feel pa rin.

Oo nga sir, sa sound city docu ko yata yan narinig! :) Nakakatawa yung part na ineexplain ni Neve mismo yung console kay Dave Grohl hahah

Yung hindi nya alam na high school dropout si Dave  :lol:

Medyo OT, medyo BTT: counted ba as analog ang isang recording kung kunwari nagrecord ka ng isang kanta sa protools, tapos bawat isang track idadaan mo sa isang track sa isang Neve console, to 2 inch tape? Balita ko kasi yun ang ginagawa minsan sa mga tracks na minamaster abroad para makuha yung "analog sound". pero di ba pag ganun parang dinaan mo lang sa EQ yung digital tracks mo? Alam ko meron pa ngang plugin na ang purpose lang ay i-emulate yung "warmth" ng Neve console, tapos may blind A/B test pa sila eh.
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« Reply #819 on: October 13, 2014, 05:17:58 PM »
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« Reply #820 on: October 13, 2014, 06:01:38 PM »
After maka-backread ng konti. . . So it means na mas magandang mag-recording na full band all-at-once setting? Kesa sa one-by-one tapos bahala na editing sa multi-track or per track? Pahingi po ako ng enlightenment mga masters.. :? Super noob sa recording..

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« Reply #821 on: October 13, 2014, 06:31:56 PM »
After maka-backread ng konti. . . So it means na mas magandang mag-recording na full band all-at-once setting? Kesa sa one-by-one tapos bahala na editing sa multi-track or per track? Pahingi po ako ng enlightenment mga masters.. :? Super noob sa recording..

It depends on what you want to achieve. Each has its pros and cons. Sa full band, you have one arrangement, and one shot to get EVERYTHING right. Kung tight yung band, several takes, and you're done. If they're not tight, or super OC, it will take forever TOGETHER, but the end result is as live as you can get. Then you can have overdubs for additional effects or parts. What you can achieve is basically what you get from the early 60s to 80s music, or for a more modern version, the stuff you can watch from Live from Abbey Road and Tower Sessions.

Pag per track naman, super linis bawat instrument, and there's pretty much infinite room for anything you want to do with a certain voice in the mix. This is the more prevalent form of recording today, especially with really powerful computers and samplers. If you have a pop production for example, someone can write a scratch in an iPad, and then add parts until it all comes together, then overdub everything for the final take. Not to mention vocals, which sometimes can take all 16 tracks just for layering and doubling and harmonies. Instrument micing too, especially overproduced drums, which can also take up to 10 mics plus triggers for  four piece kit. You can experiment with wild effects and not affect any other voice in the mix as far as the wet output is concerned, or you can be ultra nitpicky and achieve a very sterile sound. This method has the most flexibility in terms of production value, but has less "air" and live feel compared to one off recordings.
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« Reply #822 on: October 14, 2014, 11:47:17 AM »
^Super noob here too. Hehe. RHCP live daw nagrerecord ng pinakacore ng songs (accdg sa isang interview ng mixing engineer na si Ethan Mates), then siyempre overdubs, backing vocals. Super rehearsed na siguro yun, and alam naman nating tight talaga sila lalo na ang drummer. Kapag ganun naman nga ang drummer... haha. Anyway multitrack pa rin naman kahit sabay sabay. Ang talagang old school eh noong wala pang multitrack, yung mics lang sa room, mala-early beatles yata, yun ang tunay na live recording for me.

Personally, gusto ko yata at least may isang kasabay kahit bassist or drummer.. or kahit sabay sabay lahat, except sa vocals. Or..........pwede rin naman siguro sabay sabay, pero separate rooms.

Si Dave Grohl daw first ever niya gumamit ng click sa recording sa "Lithium".


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« Reply #823 on: October 14, 2014, 12:09:10 PM »
^Super noob here too. Hehe. RHCP live daw nagrerecord ng pinakacore ng songs (accdg sa isang interview ng mixing engineer na si Ethan Mates), then siyempre overdubs, backing vocals. Super rehearsed na siguro yun, and alam naman nating tight talaga sila lalo na ang drummer. Kapag ganun naman nga ang drummer... haha. Anyway multitrack pa rin naman kahit sabay sabay. Ang talagang old school eh noong wala pang multitrack, yung mics lang sa room, mala-early beatles yata, yun ang tunay na live recording for me.

Personally, gusto ko yata at least may isang kasabay kahit bassist or drummer.. or kahit sabay sabay lahat, except sa vocals. Or..........pwede rin naman siguro sabay sabay, pero separate rooms.

Si Dave Grohl daw first ever niya gumamit ng click sa recording sa "Lithium".

Nung nagrecord kami sa Circus studios, syempre 2 inch tape, tapos since mga high school pa lang kami nun, walang click track. We did it multitrack style, isa-isa ang pagrecord, but when I did the drums, we had a guide track thing going on, so everyone was plugged in and recorded, and then when we were happy with how the drums came out, the other guys overdubbed their parts until the whole song was completed.

It could also be a nightmare too. In another band, where I was doing guitars, our drummer sucked back then, and it took us 6 hours to track the drums for one song. And since his timing was sloppy and there were no click tracks or on-time guide tracks, the bassist and I were also at it for 6 damn hours and our fingers were literally bleeding. Tapos 2 inch tape pa yun kailangan maghintay ma-rewind yung tape  :eek:

So basically either technique has their place, and it does sometimes depend on how the band itself works.
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« Reply #824 on: October 14, 2014, 02:39:41 PM »
Maiba tayo, tumingin tingin lang ako ng mga studio sa net.. Bakit marami akong nakikita na track ball ang gamit instead of mouse?

Eto sa idol ko haha