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« Reply #975 on: November 10, 2015, 03:41:44 PM »
Paano kayo magrecord ng clean electric guitar sound? :)
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« Reply #976 on: November 10, 2015, 04:24:00 PM »
Paano kayo magrecord ng clean electric guitar sound? :)

define clean guitar sound?

meron kasi akong mga classification sa clean guitar sound:

Clean Dry, as in Guitar straight to amp lang (hindi ko madalas ginagamit)

Clean Drive, guitar boosted by an od, pero hindi driven, low gain lamang para mainit na clean sound (madalas ko gamitin) think John Mayer's room for squares strat rhythm sounds

Clean Compressor, guitar passing thru a compressor. glassy, at pantay ang volume, hindi nangingibabaw ang bass (on a strat POV to), pantay ang bass at treble sounds. malakas pero walang grit. (think John Mayer's somethings missing rhythm sound or wheel)


with the proper Vst's kaya mo rin maachieve yung actual sound without micing an amp. sa Sonic State Studio (Silent Sanctuary, Kamikazee, Gloc9, Philia, Midnight Meetings, Maja, etc.), purely VSTs nalang, no amps na talaga. so far, very convincing talga.
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« Reply #977 on: November 10, 2015, 04:49:03 PM »
Paano kayo magrecord ng clean electric guitar sound? :)

I record direct. Guitar straight to interface. Then I fire up an amp and cab sim.

Tapos tama si boss ralph, depende sa definition ng clean.

I like "jazzy" cleans, yung dry na sinasabi ni ralph, depending on the sound I need, sometimes I don't even use an amp sim (sonic maximizer lang), and if I do, it's with the gain way down low, south of 9 o clock. mix eq to taste.

pag clean drive, I up the gain a bit, I usually set the gain such that the breakup point happens when I strum an open chord with force, with all pots open and the pup selector in the middle (for HH).

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« Reply #978 on: November 10, 2015, 08:17:43 PM »
define clean guitar sound?

meron kasi akong mga classification sa clean guitar sound:

Clean Dry, as in Guitar straight to amp lang (hindi ko madalas ginagamit)

Clean Drive, guitar boosted by an od, pero hindi driven, low gain lamang para mainit na clean sound (madalas ko gamitin) think John Mayer's room for squares strat rhythm sounds

Clean Compressor, guitar passing thru a compressor. glassy, at pantay ang volume, hindi nangingibabaw ang bass (on a strat POV to), pantay ang bass at treble sounds. malakas pero walang grit. (think John Mayer's somethings missing rhythm sound or wheel)


with the proper Vst's kaya mo rin maachieve yung actual sound without micing an amp. sa Sonic State Studio (Silent Sanctuary, Kamikazee, Gloc9, Philia, Midnight Meetings, Maja, etc.), purely VSTs nalang, no amps na talaga. so far, very convincing talga.
Clean drive or Clean compressor siguro bro. May balak kasi akong parang vibe/theme/concept nung balak kong EP. Naisip ko clean electric guitar + vocals lang yung vibe tapos parang magandang clean sound ng electric guitar baka kasi bumili ako ng semi-hollow this christmas so ayun haha naiisip ko lang kung ano yung mas babagay na sound sa balak ko and ano pwedeng gawin para ma achieve yun :)
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« Reply #979 on: November 11, 2015, 08:47:34 AM »
Clean drive or Clean compressor siguro bro. May balak kasi akong parang vibe/theme/concept nung balak kong EP. Naisip ko clean electric guitar + vocals lang yung vibe tapos parang magandang clean sound ng electric guitar baka kasi bumili ako ng semi-hollow this christmas so ayun haha naiisip ko lang kung ano yung mas babagay na sound sa balak ko and ano pwedeng gawin para ma achieve yun :)

IMO lang, parang mas bagay ang cleans ng Tele, neck or middle position. Airy yung cleans ng neck pup nun, tapos saktong bite at attack naman galing sa bridge kung kailangan ng extra kick, pwedeng pwede pang solo electric work with vocals. Ok naman din ang HH/semi-hollow sound, but from a mixing perspective, nagooccupy sila ng parehong space ng vocals lalo na sa timbre ng voice mo. Pinaka sweet spot kasi ng HH cleans for solo work yung neck pup na naka-roll off pa yung tone knob, sobrang warm. So pwede rin naman but it will be a very warm record. But still, both can work pero magkaiba lang talaga yung vibe
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« Reply #980 on: November 11, 2015, 02:25:39 PM »
IMO lang, parang mas bagay ang cleans ng Tele, neck or middle position. Airy yung cleans ng neck pup nun, tapos saktong bite at attack naman galing sa bridge kung kailangan ng extra kick, pwedeng pwede pang solo electric work with vocals. Ok naman din ang HH/semi-hollow sound, but from a mixing perspective, nagooccupy sila ng parehong space ng vocals lalo na sa timbre ng voice mo. Pinaka sweet spot kasi ng HH cleans for solo work yung neck pup na naka-roll off pa yung tone knob, sobrang warm. So pwede rin naman but it will be a very warm record. But still, both can work pero magkaiba lang talaga yung vibe
Maganda rin effect yung neck ng Tele hahaha ginamit ko yung fender tele ni kuya at maganda nga combination kaso GAS talaga ako sa semi-hollow kasi type na type ko yung tunog and feel hahaha tapos baka bili ako ng decent amp siguro for recording or kung uubra yung direct tapos amp sim nalang. Haha sa tingin ko kasi ang sarap pakinggan ng cleans ng semi-hollow tapos may magandang attack ng reverb tapos magandang timpla ng reverb din sa vocals hahaha parang ang ganda ng vibe mas soulful :))
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« Reply #981 on: November 11, 2015, 02:31:28 PM »
Maganda rin effect yung neck ng Tele hahaha ginamit ko yung fender tele ni kuya at maganda nga combination kaso GAS talaga ako sa semi-hollow kasi type na type ko yung tunog and feel hahaha tapos baka bili ako ng decent amp siguro for recording or kung uubra yung direct tapos amp sim nalang. Haha sa tingin ko kasi ang sarap pakinggan ng cleans ng semi-hollow tapos may magandang attack ng reverb tapos magandang timpla ng reverb din sa vocals hahaha parang ang ganda ng vibe mas soulful :))

mag amp sim ka na lang hahaha mas mahirap magrecord ng amp kaysa mag amp sim ka. baka mapa-gas ka lang sa magandang amp at mic! plus that way pwede ka mag mix ng dry plus amped tones kasi swabe talaga ang tunog ng DI clean na HH lalo na pag semi hollow.
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« Reply #982 on: November 11, 2015, 09:20:12 PM »
mag amp sim ka na lang hahaha mas mahirap magrecord ng amp kaysa mag amp sim ka. baka mapa-gas ka lang sa magandang amp at mic! plus that way pwede ka mag mix ng dry plus amped tones kasi swabe talaga ang tunog ng DI clean na HH lalo na pag semi hollow.
Anong amp sim ba gamit mo? And meron bang magandang amp sim na free lang?
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« Reply #983 on: November 11, 2015, 09:24:52 PM »
Anong amp sim ba gamit mo? And meron bang magandang amp sim na free lang?
Check out the LePou amp sims. I personally like the Lextac amp sim for that pristine cleans.
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« Reply #984 on: November 11, 2015, 09:35:37 PM »
Check out the LePou amp sims. I personally like the Lextac amp sim for that pristine cleans.
Nandito ako sa site nila. Haha nadownlaod ko na yung amp sims, kailangan ko rin ba yung mga cab sims?
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« Reply #985 on: November 11, 2015, 09:41:46 PM »
Nandito ako sa site nila. Haha nadownlaod ko na yung amp sims, kailangan ko rin ba yung mga cab sims?
Yep, download ka rin ng cab sim at impulse.
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« Reply #986 on: November 11, 2015, 09:43:46 PM »
Yep, download ka rin ng cab sim at impulse.
Sorry noob question.. Ano yung impulse? at saan nakakadownload?
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« Reply #987 on: November 12, 2015, 01:15:38 AM »
Paano kaya ako makakakuha ng ganitong electric guitar sound using nung LePue amp sim + cab impulses?


Parang sobrang layo ng tunog ko eh  :cry:
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« Reply #988 on: November 12, 2015, 09:30:17 AM »
Sorry noob question.. Ano yung impulse? at saan nakakadownload?

yung impulse isa syang WAV file (or some other proprietary file) na kinacapture yung frequency response ng isang space, cavity, material, etc. usually a space or cavity is mic'd and a full range tone such as a gunshot or a full range sweep is fired/played in the space and the resulting sound is recorded. In the case of speakers like cab impulses, they simply send the signal through the speakers, although they can also mic the cab itself inside and out to replicate the sound of the cabinet itself.

When you load the impulse into the cab sim or an impulse deconvolver, science happens such that your new input signal (in this case the guitar signal) "replaces" the gunshot/full range sweep and thus triggers the frequency response of the space/cavity/material.

Impulses are different from EQ because it replicates the response and timbre of the space/material, instead of just adding and cutting frequencies. This is like trying to make a DI overdrive signal sound like it came out of a Twin Reverb using just the EQ - it just won't happen. You need to replicate the response of the amp and the cab through impulses or similar tech.

google mo lang yan, sobrang dami  :lol: although I use Guitar Rig 5 and Amplitube 3 for my cab and mic sim duties  :)

Paano kaya ako makakakuha ng ganitong electric guitar sound using nung LePue amp sim + cab impulses?


Parang sobrang layo ng tunog ko eh  :cry:

ito ba yung sinasabi mo na gusto mo na sound? di ba single coil to? personally di ko pa nahanapan ng ganyang tone yung mga LePou sims. Pero I think yung stock Fender cleans ng Amplitube medyo malapit na.
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« Reply #989 on: November 12, 2015, 11:13:46 AM »
paps janmayer, ang semi hollow na HH, ngongo ah. warningan lang kita. single coils pa din pag clean. there's a reason kung bakit marami paring users ng single coil. iba talga ang cleans ng SC.

i think kung strumming kasi, clean + slight comp ka lang. para hindi harsh.
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« Reply #990 on: November 12, 2015, 11:26:41 AM »
paps janmayer, ang semi hollow na HH, ngongo ah. warningan lang kita. single coils pa din pag clean. there's a reason kung bakit marami paring users ng single coil. iba talga ang cleans ng SC.

i think kung strumming kasi, clean + slight comp ka lang. para hindi harsh.

+1 my sentiments exactly. think Jerome Rico, really mid heavy and nasally. not a bad thing for instrumentals, not so good for guitar+vocal work. It has to be at least a P90 semi hollow.
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« Reply #991 on: November 12, 2015, 11:38:25 AM »
+1 my sentiments exactly. think Jerome Rico, really mid heavy and nasally. not a bad thing for instrumentals, not so good for guitar+vocal work. It has to be at least a P90 semi hollow.

mismo, tandaan, kaya naka ES HH si JM kasi 3 piece sila at hindi naman siya nagiistrum. licks na pasundot sundot yun. which is a strong point of that kind of guitar.

i got a semi hollow, kaso p90s single coil parin. sobrang nasal talaga pag HH. except kung magsswap ka ng pickups.
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« Reply #992 on: November 12, 2015, 12:47:27 PM »
yung impulse isa syang WAV file (or some other proprietary file) na kinacapture yung frequency response ng isang space, cavity, material, etc. usually a space or cavity is mic'd and a full range tone such as a gunshot or a full range sweep is fired/played in the space and the resulting sound is recorded. In the case of speakers like cab impulses, they simply send the signal through the speakers, although they can also mic the cab itself inside and out to replicate the sound of the cabinet itself.

When you load the impulse into the cab sim or an impulse deconvolver, science happens such that your new input signal (in this case the guitar signal) "replaces" the gunshot/full range sweep and thus triggers the frequency response of the space/cavity/material.

Impulses are different from EQ because it replicates the response and timbre of the space/material, instead of just adding and cutting frequencies. This is like trying to make a DI overdrive signal sound like it came out of a Twin Reverb using just the EQ - it just won't happen. You need to replicate the response of the amp and the cab through impulses or similar tech.

google mo lang yan, sobrang dami  :lol: although I use Guitar Rig 5 and Amplitube 3 for my cab and mic sim duties  :)

ito ba yung sinasabi mo na gusto mo na sound? di ba single coil to? personally di ko pa nahanapan ng ganyang tone yung mga LePou sims. Pero I think yung stock Fender cleans ng Amplitube medyo malapit na.
Thanks paps gets ko na rin yung impulse kagabi hahaha may nadownload akong compilation eh sobrang daming impulse nakakatuwa.

Yes bro ganyan sana yung gusto ko na sound. Hahha di ko makuha sa tele ni kuya
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« Reply #993 on: November 12, 2015, 12:49:47 PM »
mismo, tandaan, kaya naka ES HH si JM kasi 3 piece sila at hindi naman siya nagiistrum. licks na pasundot sundot yun. which is a strong point of that kind of guitar.

i got a semi hollow, kaso p90s single coil parin. sobrang nasal talaga pag HH. except kung magsswap ka ng pickups.
ahh yep tama! Naka p90s nga ang gamit ni James Bay dito.. Anyway, kaya kayang makakuha ng ganyang tone sa fender mim tele?
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« Reply #994 on: November 12, 2015, 01:05:29 PM »
ahh yep tama! Naka p90s nga ang gamit ni James Bay dito.. Anyway, kaya kayang makakuha ng ganyang tone sa fender mim tele?

kaya naman i would think. pero matinding tiyaga ito paps dahil magkaiba talaga agn character ng P90 sa normal na pickup hahaha. maganda nga ang tunog ng p90. parang normal single coil with more oomph. hahaha try mo tele neck, or middle, tapos roll down onti ng tone knob, tapos fender or JC120 amp sim for cleans. no experience sa lepou, baka si bro boxedking may inputs :) kung sa guitar rig to, i'd use the JC Clean, tapos tube compressor, then middle pickup or neck ng tele mo. adjust to taste.
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« Reply #995 on: November 12, 2015, 01:09:26 PM »
kaya naman i would think. pero matinding tiyaga ito paps dahil magkaiba talaga agn character ng P90 sa normal na pickup hahaha. maganda nga ang tunog ng p90. parang normal single coil with more oomph. hahaha try mo tele neck, or middle, tapos roll down onti ng tone knob, tapos fender or JC120 amp sim for cleans. no experience sa lepou, baka si bro boxedking may inputs :) kung sa guitar rig to, i'd use the JC Clean, tapos tube compressor, then middle pickup or neck ng tele mo. adjust to taste.

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« Reply #996 on: November 12, 2015, 01:22:54 PM »
kaya naman i would think. pero matinding tiyaga ito paps dahil magkaiba talaga agn character ng P90 sa normal na pickup hahaha. maganda nga ang tunog ng p90. parang normal single coil with more oomph. hahaha try mo tele neck, or middle, tapos roll down onti ng tone knob, tapos fender or JC120 amp sim for cleans. no experience sa lepou, baka si bro boxedking may inputs :) kung sa guitar rig to, i'd use the JC Clean, tapos tube compressor, then middle pickup or neck ng tele mo. adjust to taste.


tread lightly sa tone knob tho. mas maganda sana kung linear ang pots nung gitara. kasi mas accurate sa adjustment. kung audio taper kasi, extrems lang ang setting so mejo mas mahirap mahui yung setting na hinahanap mo.
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« Reply #997 on: November 12, 2015, 01:29:22 PM »
Saan ako makakakuha ng fender ot jc120 amps sim? Le pou LeXtact kasi gamit kong amp sim tapos nilalagyan ko ng cab loader, niloload ko impulse ng fender bassman or junior hahaha
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« Reply #998 on: November 12, 2015, 01:40:15 PM »
Saan ako makakakuha ng fender ot jc120 amps sim? Le pou LeXtact kasi gamit kong amp sim tapos nilalagyan ko ng cab loader, niloload ko impulse ng fender bassman or junior hahaha

Amplitube ata yung meron ng JC120. Sure ako may Fender yun, yun ang gamit ko for cleans eh  :lol: may cab and mic sim na rin yun.
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« Reply #999 on: November 12, 2015, 01:54:44 PM »
Amplitube ata yung meron ng JC120. Sure ako may Fender yun, yun ang gamit ko for cleans eh  :lol: may cab and mic sim na rin yun.
May bayad ba amplitube papps? Ang gamit ko is yung  custom shop verison yung free pero wala akong makitang fender sim haha
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