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Offline dequi09

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« Reply #50 on: August 25, 2006, 05:04:26 PM »
Samick? How much bro?  :D
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« Reply #51 on: August 25, 2006, 05:27:35 PM »
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CXP-200R SAMICK
8CHANNEL 200W

Nahanap ko na ang specs. Mono lang, hindi stereo. Underpowered yan para sa dalawang 200 watts na speaker. :(



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- 8Channel Mic(XLR) & Line Input(1/4")
- Each Channels Phantom Power(48V) & S/W
- 3-Band Active EQ(Channel)
- RCA Jacks for in-outputs
- Digital Multi Effects & Send/Return Jacks
- 7-Band Graphic EQ(Master)
- Digital Multi Effects 256 Program
- Output Power : 200W/4 Ohm
- 485 × 280 × 265(mm)
- 14.7Kg, Wooden
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Offline vinokulafu

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« Reply #52 on: August 25, 2006, 06:47:48 PM »
ganyan nga ung mixeramp bro
ano ibig mo sabihin pag underpowered sa 2 200watts speaker bto?
sa ngayon ang kinakabit namin na speaker ung sansui na 150 wattsrms pang component na speaker nga lang
sinubukan din namin sa isang 400w na konzert speaker
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« Reply #53 on: August 25, 2006, 10:34:42 PM »
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ganyan nga ung mixeramp bro
ano ibig mo sabihin pag underpowered sa 2 200watts speaker bto?

ibig sabihin kulang sa lakas ang mixer amp: 400 watts yung dalawang speaker tapos ang mixer amp ay 200 watts lang... kitang-kita na no match. dapat pareho lang o mas mataas ang power ng mixer amp. pinagusapan na natin ito sa mga naunang posts ng thread na ito.

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sa ngayon ang kinakabit namin na speaker ung sansui na 150 wattsrms pang component na speaker nga lang

ingat nalang, hindi designed ang pang component na speaker para sa PA application. dalawang speaker na tig 150 watts = 300W?

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sinubukan din namin sa isang 400w na konzert speaker

400W RMS, program, o peak? ilan ohms?
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« Reply #54 on: August 25, 2006, 10:37:50 PM »
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bro kelangan daw dalawang 200watts na speaker e,

teka muna, sino may sabi dalawang 200 watts na speaker ang kelangan? RMS, program, o peak power?
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« Reply #55 on: August 26, 2006, 02:54:09 PM »
tumawag kami bro sa JB, ang sabi 200watts 8ohms
kung dalawang 100watts nman dapat 4ohms daw

yung component na ikinabit nman 150W RMS ang isa

ung konzert nman 400W RMS pero isang speaker lang ito kasi dipa sila nakabili ng kapair nito.8 ohms

anu nga pala kahalagahan ng maliit na magnet sa malaki?
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« Reply #56 on: August 26, 2006, 10:07:49 PM »
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tumawag kami bro sa JB, ang sabi 200watts 8ohms

ang sabi sa specs ng samick mixer amp Output Power: 200W/ 4 Ohm, diba? pero walang binanggit na Output Power sa 8 Ohms. saan ba nakuha ng JB ang 200watts 8ohms?!? malabo yata ang sabi nila.  :?

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kung dalawang 100watts nman dapat 4ohms daw

ang total ng dalawang speaker na tig 100watts 8ohms ay 200watts 4ohms. yan dapat ang kelangan. kahit hindi eksakto, basta hindi masyadong malayo sa 200W/ 4 Ohm spec ng samick mixer amp.  :wink:

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yung component na ikinabit nman 150W RMS ang isa

kung 8ohms ang sansui component speaker, ang total ng dalawang speaker na yan ay 300watts 4ohms. no match ang 200W/ 4 Ohm samick mixer amp.  :(

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ung konzert nman 400W RMS pero isang speaker lang ito kasi dipa sila nakabili ng kapair nito.8 ohms

no match pa rin ang 200W/ 4 Ohm samick mixer amp para sa isang 400W 8ohms konzert speaker. mas lalo na pag dalawang konzert speaker na ang total ay 800watts 4ohms!  :shock:

pagdating sa palakasan, mahihirapan si samick. itotodo niya ang kanyang lakas at magtutunog distorted. kapag itinuloy-tuloy pa rin ang pasok ng distorted signal (kuryente) sa speaker, masusunog ang tweeter dahil sa sobrang init ng voice coil.  :cry:

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anu nga pala kahalagahan ng maliit na magnet sa malaki?

hindi ko na masyadong iniintindi yan dahil sa bagong neodymium magnet na mas maliit at magaang pa kesa ferrite magnet. yan ang ginagamit ng mga modernong speaker ngayon...
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Offline vinokulafu

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« Reply #57 on: August 28, 2006, 10:09:57 AM »
panu yung bro?
ang sabi kasi ng JB dalawang 100watts kung 4 ohms
dalawang 200watts 8ohms pwede daw
ibig sabihin ba nito dahil 2 200watts na 8ohms= 400watts mas malakas ang buga ng sound
kaysa sa dalawang 100watts 4ohms=200watts?

yung peavey na nabanggit nyo diba 75watts 4ohms=150watts
makaabante kaya ito sa pang band rehearsal set-up?

ung guitar amp ko isang 100watts saka isang 75 watts
ung bass amp nman mga 100watts din
and siyempre may drum set
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« Reply #58 on: August 28, 2006, 11:46:57 AM »
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panu yung bro?
ang sabi kasi ng JB dalawang 100watts kung 4 ohms
dalawang 200watts 8ohms pwede daw

kalimutan mo na ang sinabi ng JB. hindi nila binabasa ang specs mabuti o hindi nila naintindihan ang specs. sa samick ka dapat maniwala!

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ibig sabihin ba nito dahil 2 200watts na 8ohms= 400watts mas malakas ang buga ng sound
kaysa sa dalawang 100watts 4ohms=200watts?

mas malakas ang buga ng sound pag ang output power ng mixer amp ay at least 400W/ 4 Ohm. liwanagin ko lang, ang total ng dalawang 100watts 4ohms na speaker ay 200watts 2ohms. ayon sa samick use above 4 ohms speaker, diba? hindi pwedeng gumamit ng dalawang 100watts na 4ohms kasi mas mababa pa sa 4ohms ang total nito. ang pwedeng gamitin ay dalawang 100watts na 8ohms kasi ang total nito ay 200watts 4ohms na tamang-tama sa samick mixer amp na 200W/ 4 Ohm.

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yung peavey na nabanggit nyo diba 75watts 4ohms=150watts
makaabante kaya ito sa pang band rehearsal set-up?

70watts 8ohms yung peavey 110DL. ang total ng dalawang speaker na ito ay 140watts 4ohms. gaanong kalaki ang kuwarto ng band rehearsal studio: length x width x ceiling height? ilan ang seating capacity?

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ung guitar amp ko isang 100watts saka isang 75 watts
ung bass amp nman mga 100watts din
and siyempre may drum set

ang samick mixer amp mo ay 200watts lang. sana hindi mo tinipid ang mixer amp. tagilid si samick!  :cry:
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Offline vinokulafu

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« Reply #59 on: August 28, 2006, 12:51:43 PM »
ung karaniwang laki lang ng kwarto na pag inilagay mo mga amp na to
may enough space ung mga musikero at hindi nagsisiksikan
kumabaga cguro liitan mo ng konti ung JB music store sa north edsa.

bro talagang hindi ba pwedeng gamitin ung 250wattsRMS 8ohms dito sa mixer amp ko?
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« Reply #60 on: August 28, 2006, 01:29:33 PM »
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bro talagang hindi ba pwedeng gamitin ung 250wattsRMS 8ohms dito sa mixer amp ko?

pwedeng gamitin pero huwag mo nga lang lalakasan para maiwasan ang clipping sa mixer amp mo. clipping ang nangyayari pag pinipwersa ang underpowered amp. distortion ang tunog na maririnig pag mag clip ang amp. DC ang kuryente na papasok sa speaker pag patuloy ang clipping ng amp. Masusunog ang tweeter pag sumobrang init ang voice coil dahil sa kuryenteng DC na pumapasok sa speaker. Kaya alalay ka nalang sa volume kung pipilitin mong gamitin yung dalawang 250wattsRMS 8ohms speaker sa 200W/ 4ohms na samick mixer amp.  :roll:
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« Reply #61 on: August 29, 2006, 12:39:09 PM »
bro gano kalakas lang pwede pag 250watts ang gagamitin ko? mga kalahati ng master volume or sobra ng konti pwede ba?
kung 1 pinakamahina and 10 maximum ng master volume hanggang san lang dapat?
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« Reply #62 on: August 29, 2006, 01:00:34 PM »
hindi ko kayang sagutin yan.  :(

pwede malaman sa tunog kung overdriven na ang amp... distorted!  :shock:

mas mura naman ang 100watts speaker pero bakit 250watts speaker ang gusto mo?
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« Reply #63 on: August 29, 2006, 01:52:38 PM »
hindi ba mas malakas kung 200 watts?
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« Reply #64 on: August 29, 2006, 01:53:33 PM »
nangyari na sa amin yan. twice :roll: . sira amp namin. pero wala pa akong kaalam alam nun. :roll:
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« Reply #65 on: August 29, 2006, 01:54:55 PM »
bro, suggettion ko lang listen to this man's advice. he know's what he's talking about. :)
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« Reply #66 on: August 29, 2006, 02:13:31 PM »
anung nangyari sa amp nyo pakikwento nman bro
para makapagingat ako sa mga ganyan

baka lang kc pwede 200 watts para mas malakas e
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Offline Tarkuz Toccata

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« Reply #67 on: August 29, 2006, 02:17:02 PM »
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hindi ba mas malakas kung 200 watts?

siempre hindi. power handling ng speaker ang watts.

kung gusto mo ng malakas, hanap ka dapat ng speaker na mataas ang sensitivity. basahin mo mabuti ang specs.
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« Reply #68 on: August 29, 2006, 02:21:53 PM »
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anung nangyari sa amp nyo pakikwento nman bro
para makapagingat ako sa mga ganyan


sa isang church dati, bumili ng Carlsbro powered mixer at 2 Konzert Speakers. di nagtagal, nasira yung mixer.

me guitar amp kami noon na 15w, kinabitan ng 4x10 speker. d nagtagal, bumigay yung amp.:)

dont know the details though. :)
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Offline vinokulafu

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« Reply #69 on: August 29, 2006, 02:29:40 PM »
ibig sabihin yung 100watts 4 ohm compared
sa 200watts 8ohms parehas lang ang lakas
kung ikakabit ko sa mixeramp ko?
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« Reply #70 on: August 29, 2006, 03:18:06 PM »
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ibig sabihin yung 100watts 4 ohm compared
sa 200watts 8ohms parehas lang ang lakas
kung ikakabit ko sa mixeramp ko?

kalimutan mo na ang sinabi ng JB, plis lang. hindi naman sila masyadong marunong sa sound system e.

linawin ko uli ha. dalawang 100watts 8ohms ang dapat mo ikabit sa mixeramp mo, hindi dalawang 100watts 4ohms. mali yung sinabi sayo ng JB.

balik tayo sa tanong mo. dalawang 100watts (200watts total) kumpara sa dalawang 200watts (400watts total), kung ikakabit sa mixeramp mo, alin ang mas malakas? para masagot yung tanong mo, dapat malaman muna ang SENSITIVITY ng mga speakers. paki check nalang ng mga specs uli...
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« Reply #71 on: August 29, 2006, 04:38:44 PM »
ok bro thanks, pasencya na medyo sa kakulitan ko
kasi ung wharfdale  sa raon ung binabalak nmin bilhin ng tatay ko
e medyo di rin kc cya marunong masayado sa matching ng speakers and amp e
may 250 watts kasi dun na speaker un sana bibilhin nmain e. ayoko kasi magkamali
sa pagbili alam mo na pagnabili ko na un hindi ko na pwedeng ibalik.

pero enough n din ba ung lakas nung mixer amp ko para sa band rehearsal nmain
hindi nman metal mga tugtog nmin. tipong pang show band lang nman e?
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« Reply #72 on: August 29, 2006, 04:43:18 PM »
ung nbanggit mong peavey malaki ba un
ang enough ba ung ibubugang soung nun para sa band rehearsal
 gaano kalaki pala speaker nu?
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Offline Tarkuz Toccata

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« Reply #73 on: August 29, 2006, 06:41:43 PM »
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pero enough n din ba ung lakas nung mixer amp ko para sa band rehearsal nmain
hindi nman metal mga tugtog nmin. tipong pang show band lang nman e?

mas okey sana kung ang output power ng samick mixer amp mo ay 400 watts mono o 200 watts stereo sa 4 ohms. Pero wala na tayong magagawa, nandiyan na yan e...
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« Reply #74 on: August 29, 2006, 06:46:22 PM »
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ung nbanggit mong peavey malaki ba un
ang enough ba ung ibubugang soung nun para sa band rehearsal
 gaano kalaki pala speaker nu?

ano sukat ng kuwarto: length x width x height?
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