what is wrong with selling out?

[roldanbergertson]

why do other people say "taena sell out yan" or if they once knew people with bands na sikat na they say "la yan si "ANO" biglang sumellout Amp@#$%!".

[Metal Gear Solid]

because you lose integrity and creative control over your music when you sell out.

[the_godfather]

because you lose integrity and creative control over your music when you sell out.

Tama! kaso di naman naten masisisi yung mga sell out bands, kasi kailangan din nila kumita. maski ako given a chance, kahit tawagin akong sell out ok lang, at least ako kumikita ng pera. yung mga namimintas na sell out di naman kumikita. 

[Endshiftresign!]

because you lose integrity and creative control over your music when you sell out.

+111111.

that's why as far as i can tell, i will do everything in my power never to sell out.     and if i may add, music loses its soul if one sells out for the almighty peso...

[the_godfather]

sa hirap ng buhay dito, I would rather be a sell out and earn money kesa mamatay ng dilat sa gutom. Think about it fellas.

[Fatalis]

Sell out..., hirap kase ng music industry naten eh.
You'll be tagged as a sellout if you're changing your music just to please everbody. Changing music is cool, if you're doing it for the right reasons.

[eggmate egg egg]

i think there is nothing wrong with selling out as long as you play what you really like.there are some bands who sold out without expecting it or did'nt even make an effort to sell out,simply means they make good music and they've made other people appreciate and like what they do.and it proves how good you are if people are tryin to buy your product instead of other's.besides if your makin money out of your music then why not grab it,you're earning and at the same time you're enjoying.Just try not to be somebody for fame and money.
just have fun.

[badongrodrigs]

selling out is cool if you want more money.

[Metal Gear Solid]

Selling out is not crossing over to the mainstream ok? Some crossover to the mainstream while maintaining integrity. Creative control ang usapan pag selling out.

Ex: Gawa ka ng HIT para kumita ka. Bangitin mo yung uso ngayon. Me na Me! gawa ka ng kanta para KUMITA LANG. Walang kahulugan. Walang intention. Walang kaluluwa. Para sa sponsors mo. Tanduay, Smart, Tokyotokyo, ABS CBN, GMA7, Redhorse. Gawa ka ng kanta alinsunod sa KAGUSTUHAN ng record company at producers mo. Para sa corporate radio.

Selling out was never great. Para saan pa at naging musikero ka? Instrumento ka na lang ng mga nabanggit ko. Hindi ka na musikero na may sariling utak. 

[the_godfather]

Selling out is not crossing over to the mainstream ok? Some crossover to the mainstream while maintaining integrity. Creative control ang usapan pag selling out.

Ex: Gawa ka ng HIT para kumita ka. Bangitin mo yung uso ngayon. Me na Me! gawa ka ng kanta para KUMITA LANG. Walang kahulugan. Walang intention. Walang kaluluwa. Para sa sponsors mo. Tanduay, Smart, Tokyotokyo, ABS CBN, GMA7, Redhorse. Gawa ka ng kanta alinsunod sa KAGUSTUHAN ng record company at producers mo. Para sa corporate radio.

Selling out was never great. Para saan pa at naging musikero ka? Instrumento ka na lang ng mga nabanggit ko. Hindi ka na musikero na may sariling utak. 

Wala naman na tayo magagawa dahil yan ang sistema sa pilipinas eh. tsaka para saan at naging musikero ka kung ang makakarinig ng kanta mo kapwa banda mo na kasama mo lang sa gig? kadalasan pa nga sa gig pag huli kang tumugtog wala pa manonood sayo kund barkada na kasama mo dahil yung ibang banda tugtog-uwi na isa pang ayoko na ugali ng mga banda dito. iba pa rin yung feeling na marinig mo yung kanta mo na kinakanta ng ibang tao or pinapatugtog sa radyo. syempre music is our art and ako, gusto ko i-share yung art ko sa iba at maappreciate nila. Ok lang naman gumawa ng isa-dalawang kanta na pangbakyaan/pangbenta sa madla basta wag pakikialaman yung ibang kanta. and i've hear sa ibang threads dito na yung ibang recording artist ganon ang ginagawa.

Tungkol sa mga advertisement, aminin na naten na lahat tayo kailangan ng pera para mabuhay or pambili ng music gears na kailangan naten. So I don't think it will hurt at all. Just my opinion though.

[inigo]

musician ≠ artist

[BassCog]

I think we can simplify the argument:

If you can sleep at night with what you do with your music, then to hell with everyone else. Bitter ocampo lang yan.

We can't judge from the outside if one is selling out or not. eh kung magaling ba talagang pop song machine yung banda and that really is the aim, then hell, let them.

huwag lang sila magpaartist effect na wala sa place. Pop music people should stick by their guns and admit its pop. just as people from heavier music should stop complaining why the mainstream doesn't like them....kasi yun na nga, hindi kayo mainstream eh. That's why I like Lito Camo; he makes no bones about his music. As for people who keep on defending themselves...well, they don't sleep well at night, do they? back to the simple argument. haha!

Heck, I'd be surprised if my band suddenly got famous in the mainstream. but if it does happen, then hurray! and you can bet we didn't sell out.

[Santo Muerte]

Kung alam mo na palang mahirap ang pera sa musika eh dapat siguro may day job ka rin na masasandalan kasi kahit kumikita ang banda mo sa pagsusulat ng mga jingle tungkol sa sabon o sa underarm deodorant wala pa ring kasiguruhan yan na baka bukas o makalawa tatangkilikin pa rin kayo ng mga tao, kasi sa ayaw natin o gusto ang mainstream crowd puro sunod sa uso lang ang mga yan.

Gaya ng matagal ko nang sinasabi, mas gugustuhin ko pang magkaroon ang banda ko ng "cult following" na mga loyal na fans kaysa maging sikat sa mainstream ng ilang taon lang. Mas magandang magkaroon ng mga tagahangang walang pakialam kung anong usong musika at tinatangkilik ang banda mo dahil naging inspirasyon nila ang musika mo. Mas gugustuhin ko pang maalala ng mga tao ang banda ko na tipong "Putsa, yung banda ni Santo Muerte kakaiba at walang katulad ang musika sa mga ibang bandang narinig ko." Kaysa maalala dahil sa isang hit song lang o kaya jingle.

[daztyne12]

minsan ang nangyayari, napipilitan ka tumugtog ng di mo gusto, kasi ito daw ang uso ngayon, para lang kumita.  Sooner or later, you will feel musically burned... ang mahirap, you will end up quitting....   

[SCREWER]

maybe law of attraction.. , the more you avoid selling out the more you get closer to it....as much as possible, we shouldn't be worried about money when creating music...I hope I could.. ..
wala naman sigurong mali sa sell out kung jan ka nagsimula at kung jan nasanay ang tao sayo...madami kasi banda dito napipilitan sumakay at sumunod nalang sa uso...yung iba naman nag papa kengkoy kahit di naman sila ganun..

[the_godfather]

Let's face it na lang, lahat naman tayo gusto kumita sa pag-gawa ng music tulad ng mga artist na iniidolo naten. Nagkataon lang na sa bansa naten iba ang takbo ng music industry, unlike sa ibang bansa na musicians are free to express themselves. Siguro pinakikialaman din sila ng mga record company kahit pano.

[maxi_musikero]

does selling out really mean you lose creative control over your material?

please enlighten me. 

[SCREWER]

does selling out really mean you lose creative control over your material?

please enlighten me. 

probably yes...or about 88 % or somethin..hehe...i mean you're still creative..
kaso mejo ndi mo na mailalabas yung personal mood mo..lagi mo maiisip pag nag susulat, "dapat makaka relate agad ang tao sa lyrics"...madalas pilit eh..depende siguro sa category or level ng pagka sell out..

[Bolt Thrower]

probably yes...or about 88 % or somethin..hehe...i mean you're still creative..
kaso mejo ndi mo na mailalabas yung personal mood mo..lagi mo maiisip pag nag susulat, "dapat makaka relate agad ang tao sa lyrics"...madalas pilit eh..depende siguro sa category or level ng pagka sell out..

agree to that bro. amen!

[maxi_musikero]

probably yes...or about 88 % or somethin..hehe...i mean you're still creative..
kaso mejo ndi mo na mailalabas yung personal mood mo..lagi mo maiisip pag nag susulat, "dapat makaka relate agad ang tao sa lyrics"...madalas pilit eh..depende siguro sa category or level ng pagka sell out..

hindi ba baligtad yung mangyayari?  the fact that you sold out, means that people like the material you make...so hindi mo na kailangan mag-isip ng dapat maka-relate yung mga tao sa lyrics mo kasi pasok nga yung mode of writing mo sa taste nila.  diba?

[SCREWER]

hindi ba baligtad yung mangyayari?  the fact that you sold out, means that people like the material you make...so hindi mo na kailangan mag-isip ng dapat maka-relate yung mga tao sa lyrics mo kasi pasok nga yung mode of writing mo sa taste nila.  diba?

well kung pumatok na yung music sa tao then there's no problem with that, bale past tense na yun haha.....but if you're just planning to sell out or trying to make a catchy song for easy money then that's intentional or maybe unnatural lalo na kung ang tunay talaga na influences mo ay ndi mainstream...let's say I love writing disturbing and dark songs in which I expect that most people wouldn't appreciate and I just like it that way...now in this case it wouldn't be easy for me to decide switching to pop genre just to get the hook...yun lang naman..
so I guess yung kamikazee obviously nag sell out nga simula lumabas yung narda..kasi ndi naman ganun tunog nila dati...but I'm not saying it's wrong..

[the_godfather]

well kung pumatok na yung music sa tao then there's no problem with that, bale past tense na yun haha.....but if you're just planning to sell out or trying to make a catchy song for easy money then that's intentional or maybe unnatural lalo na kung ang tunay talaga na influences mo ay ndi mainstream...let's say I love writing disturbing and dark songs in which I expect that most people wouldn't appreciate and I just like it that way...now in this case it wouldn't be easy for me to decide switching to pop genre just to get the hook...yun lang naman..
so I guess yung kamikazee obviously nag sell out nga simula lumabas yung narda..kasi ndi naman ganun tunog nila dati...but I'm not saying it's wrong..

Tama! kasi ang layo talaga ng pinagbago ng tugtugan nila nung nag-narda na sila. halata na inaabot talaga nila yung masa. iba talaga pag nag-mainstream ka na dito sa'ten. although nangyayari rin sa foreign bands yung ganito. kumpara mo yung mga unang album ng incubus sa mga albums nila ngayon.

[daztyne12]

ive listened to a band named face to face (hardcore punk o post hardcore ) meron silang isang song na may conversation with their manager sa intro ng kanta, and their manager told them not to record their original composition because people dont want to hear that kind of song, nag debate sila for a few minutes and bigla nilang tinugtog ung iriginal compositon nila in that album(walang nagawa ung manager nila).

nakalimutan ko ung song title kasi naka tape pa ang record ko nun

[bhenard]

ive listened to a band named face to face (hardcore punk o post hardcore ) meron silang isang song na may conversation with their manager sa intro ng kanta, and their manager told them not to record their original composition because people dont want to hear that kind of song, nag debate sila for a few minutes and bigla nilang tinugtog ung iriginal compositon nila in that album(walang nagawa ung manager nila).

nakalimutan ko ung song title kasi naka tape pa ang record ko nun

uy gandang story nyan ah

[scofield]

i guess for me, whats wrong with it is when you are compromising your beliefs and principles to the extent that you dont have your own identity or your "identity"is from what the rec labels or fans dictate you, i guess thats wrong with selling out as a person, you are lying to yourself.

the other side is - people hate bands na sumikat because they felt a certain intimacy and connection to that indie (or used to be indie band) and when they went famous mawawala na yun kasi the intimacy and connection that you once had with that artist is now shared by many others

meron naman yung factor na music geek sh*t

ean i think im just rambling and thinkin out of my a$$ haha