Chaining Multi with your Analog Setup

[Avatarsaint]

Is it alright? Tipong pang reverb at delay mo lang yung multi effects? And for modulation. 

I'm planning kasi sa ganitong setup 

Amp <- EQ <- Multi (Delay, Reverb) <- Digitech Badmonkey <- Boss MT-2 <- Wah <- Guitar

Nasubukan niyo na ba? I need your opinion. Thanks in advance! 

[usermarc]

Tried (almost)  the same set up lately. Medium to loud studio volume level.

Amp fx return<-sonic stomp<-zoom multi (delay, reverb, compressor)<-bad monkey<-shredhead<-Guitar

Although I have no idea kung ano ang epekto ng wah nang may naka-chain na multi...

I was playing with another guitarist, also with a hybrid set up. I had to turn up the mix level on the delay and reverb effects. Napansin ko na during louder volumes, mas madaling nalulunod yung repeats and shimmer ng multi na gamit ko compared sa dati kong ginagamit na analog delay pedal. Mas versatile lang ngayon sa ganitong hybrid set up dahil sa saved patches that you can easily scroll through for every other song/tune. (not to mention the tap tempo option included in the multi)

I cannot confirm if you'll have the same results as i had. It may also depend on the multi unit you are planning to use. Hindi rin ako nakapag-tweak ng matagal sa loob ng studio habang nasa jam dahil narin ubos-oras. Usually, sa bahay ko tinitimpla (low volume) then kaunting adjustment habang kasabay na ang banda.

Hope this helps.

[metalmaster]

Pwede naman, wala namang rules kung ano gusto mo sa chain ng effects mo.. pero kung ako tatanungin mo kung ano mas maganda para sakin syempre puro analog lahat...

[randymarsh]

kung concerned ka sa tone sucking, signal buffering, etc.... get a looper.



the cheap PLX-8 looper (the big block with switches above the pedal board) is what I use to connect/disconnect pedals in the effects chain. you can also have multiple settings stored in different banks.

i only have 1 bank setting (4 patches, the tuner and wah is always in the chain)

clean - tuner -> wah -> plx8 in -> compressor -> mod force (chorus) -> multistomp (reverb) -> digital delay -> plx8 out
overdrive - tuner -> wah -> plx8 in -> green mile od -> plx8 out
crunch - tuner -> wah -> plx8 in -> noise suppressor in -> keeley ds-1 or tonebone hot british -> noise suppressor out -> plx8 out
lead - tuner -> wah -> plx8 in -> noise suppressor in ->  gray od -> keeley ds-1 or tonebone hot british -> noise suppressor out -> digital delay -> plx8 out

all the effects on the board are always ON (except for the ds1 and tonebone, I only use one depending on the song or group of people I jam with). it's complicated to setup at first pero effective 

[Garner]

you can also have multiple settings stored in different banks.

So parang naka multi ka din bro? May tanong lang ako kunwari yung clean patch naka on, pwede mo ba I-on yung Green mile? or Tonebone? Thank you!

[jm the mute]

way back 2004 up to 2006, my setup included a zoom multi-effects along with some analog pedals

guitar > boss cs-1 > raon wah > boss ds1 > nobels od > zoom607 (yes, yung pang bass) > digitech bad monkey od > amp

the idea was to use the zoom607 as a stand alone pedal for delay and chorus.
I also experimented with the zoom's amp and cab sims, noise reduction..and even its eq settings.
basically just trying to get a good sound out of any venue amp that I plug into.

I guess ok naman sya. I survived gigs using what I had and making them work. maybe not the best "tone" I've ever had...but it worked.

what made me remove the zoom out of my chain eventually was that I liked the ease of control of having knobs on a pedal instead of pressing buttons to change parameters.
plus....it was not mine. it belonged to my bassist.

[randymarsh]

So parang naka multi ka din bro? May tanong lang ako kunwari yung clean patch naka on, pwede mo ba I-on yung Green mile? or Tonebone? Thank you!

Yes para karing naka multi effects pero analog (or halo with digital).

Lahat ng effects naka engage or ON. So for example sa clean setting channel ko, kahit i-OFF ko yung tonebone walang effect dahil naka bypass siya unless i-edit ko yung patch at i-ON ko sa PLX yung loop ng tonebone. sa crunch and lead setting ko, pwede ko patayin both dirt pedals to get a clean tone.

Ok din yung PX-PRO kasi pwede mo connect yung footswitch from amp sa looper pati effect loop. Mas complicated nga lang.

Check mo yung demo sa youtube para makita mo rin paano i-program yung looper.

[agent_otso]

check sir jam bumanlag ng EVEN yung set up nya ok naman. 

[plissken]

kung concerned ka sa tone sucking, signal buffering, etc.... get a looper.



the cheap PLX-8 looper (the big block with switches above the pedal board) is what I use to connect/disconnect pedals in the effects chain. you can also have multiple settings stored in different banks.

i only have 1 bank setting (4 patches, the tuner and wah is always in the chain)

clean - tuner -> wah -> plx8 in -> compressor -> mod force (chorus) -> multistomp (reverb) -> digital delay -> plx8 out
overdrive - tuner -> wah -> plx8 in -> green mile od -> plx8 out
crunch - tuner -> wah -> plx8 in -> noise suppressor in -> keeley ds-1 or tonebone hot british -> noise suppressor out -> plx8 out
lead - tuner -> wah -> plx8 in -> noise suppressor in ->  gray od -> keeley ds-1 or tonebone hot british -> noise suppressor out -> digital delay -> plx8 out

all the effects on the board are always ON (except for the ds1 and tonebone, I only use one depending on the song or group of people I jam with). it's complicated to setup at first pero effective 

Nice looper! Was this purchased from lazer? How much?

[fizz450_03]

@ randy

ayos yan ah, it wouldn't matter how may pedals i chain into the looper?

and that mod force!!! by itself wala bang suck yung mod force? if i understand it correctly, it's a digital effect?



@ ts

bro i'm currently using a toneworks at the end of my signal chain to give me reverb, delay and other modulations...

wah > od > dirt 1 > dirt 2 > signal booster > eq (which i use more as a cut off and mid booster) > ax1500g

there is some tonesuck i believe, but it occurs much more apparently with some effects like if i use compressors, the expression pedal based effects and amp sims... so far with reverb and delay, i don't hear noticeable differences.

[randymarsh]

@ randy

ayos yan ah, it wouldn't matter how may pedals i chain into the looper?

and that mod force!!! by itself wala bang suck yung mod force? if i understand it correctly, it's a digital effect?

kung creative ka technicaly walang limit. you can have 8 separate pedal boards and switch between each using the looper.
ang issue ko lang with the looper is yung initial setup (building patch cables and power supply lines) pero after nun ok na.

the mod force is true bypass (daw sabi sa manual). it is a digital effect along with the zoom multistomp and digital delay on my board.

Nice looper! Was this purchased from lazer? How much?

not sure about the price sa Pinas pero mura lang ito dahil Joyo ang manufacturer.

[Rectifier]

Hindi ba nagtutunog digital yung mga analog dirt pag naka chain na sa multi kahit ang gamit eh mod/delay lang

[fizz450_03]

@ rectifier

hindi naman, at least not to me. not sure sa mga mas matalas ang tenga


@ randy

ayos makahanap nga niyan 

[dendelion]

Hindi ba nagtutunog digital yung mga analog dirt pag naka chain na sa multi kahit ang gamit eh mod/delay lang

Sa experience ko hindi naman.I'm using a zoom g3x sa effects loop of my ht 20 then 3 dirt pedals in front of the p.Sounds nice pa rin naman. 

[ayofish]

ito sample ng mix of analog and digital.

https://soundcloud.com/angelo-gimenez-1/iron-man-black-sabbath-cover

I used my lt-dist pedal and vintage od with a zoom g3x. Ok naman tunog. amp sim sa g3x pati reverb.

[musicdigitalsounds]

Sa experience ko dati naging manipis yung tunog pero dati pa naman to sa mga lumang version ng zoom plus mt2 lalo naging nasal yung tunog, kaya hindi ko na inulit mag chain ng multi and analog.

[samuelfianza]

Make sure na naka off lahat sa multi maliban dun sa gagamitin mong effect.

[titser_marco]

Is it alright? Tipong pang reverb at delay mo lang yung multi effects? And for modulation. 

I'm planning kasi sa ganitong setup 

Amp <- EQ <- Multi (Delay, Reverb) <- Digitech Badmonkey <- Boss MT-2 <- Wah <- Guitar

Nasubukan niyo na ba? I need your opinion. Thanks in advance! 

Hindi ka naman makukulong if you do that, so OK lang.

Kidding aside, it shouldn't be an issue. If anything, even a full analog pedalboard gets digitized at some point during shows where they mic/DI the amps: the reverbs, comps, and other effects on the FOH booth are in most cases digital. Stop being prissy and just play.


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[dyeriboy]

I also use a g3  for my delay modulation ok naman para sa akin ang tunog.  Importabte ok sayo ang tunog mo ...Setup is   Amp  - g3 - ultimate drive- TOD v1 - wah - guitar

[MYN11]

I'm just using my AxeFx2 here for the effects (Mods, Delays, Reverbs)

[Garner]

Yes para karing naka multi effects pero analog (or halo with digital).

Lahat ng effects naka engage or ON. So for example sa clean setting channel ko, kahit i-OFF ko yung tonebone walang effect dahil naka bypass siya unless i-edit ko yung patch at i-ON ko sa PLX yung loop ng tonebone. sa crunch and lead setting ko, pwede ko patayin both dirt pedals to get a clean tone.

Ok din yung PX-PRO kasi pwede mo connect yung footswitch from amp sa looper pati effect loop. Mas complicated nga lang.

Check mo yung demo sa youtube para makita mo rin paano i-program yung looper.

Wow ang galing! Hehe inaaral ko pa lang kasi yung mga looper/switch. San ka nakabili niyan sir? Nahihirapan kasi ako kapag mag o-on ako ng dirt, gusto ko off muna yung comp so dalawa kelangan at the same time hehe pwede ko siya gamitin on that specific application diba? Salamat ulit sir!