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Title: Analog vs. Digital delay
Post by: ioffendpeople on March 06, 2006, 08:45:18 PM
What's the difference? Advantages of one over the other? pls. share.  :D
Title: Re: Analog vs. Digital delay
Post by: pallas on March 07, 2006, 12:20:15 AM
Quote from: ioffendpeople
What's the difference? Advantages of one over the other? pls. share.  :D

digital to some is considered harsh, cold and sterile sounding but they have tap-tempo, crystal clear delays AND longer delay time.

analog are considered to be warm sounding with darker tones( the repeats degrade which means it will sound muddier as it trails away), shorter delay times and usually no tap tempo except for some new boutique analog delays with tap tempo namely the memory lane by diamond pedals. These days the digital emulation tsaka mga digital pedals are very good in sound namely the dd3, dd5, dd6 and the dd-20 and yung naayos na na issue ng echopark by line6.
Just so u know these days the Edge goes digital with his delays namely the KORG SDD300http://www.amnesta.net/edge_delay/...peace 8) http://www.amnesta.net/edge_delay/
Title: Analog vs. Digital delay
Post by: BAMF on March 07, 2006, 03:41:55 AM
I used to have an analog Bucket Brigade delay.

Couldnt stand the noise. Of course my experience is limited by that singular example, but IMHO if you go analog with your delay, better get a noise gate ready at the end of your signal path.

BAMF
Title: Analog vs. Digital delay
Post by: oasgomez-is-banned on March 07, 2006, 06:06:59 AM
For me, I prefer Analog Delay because it sounds more natural to my ears.  In fact, I am using an old Boss DM2 unit.  I dont know about noise in Analog Delays but my DM2 sounds ok.  Analog Delays have a tendency to roll off some presence but if your guitar and amp have natural presence, you can restore presence in some way.  Digital Delays have an advantage over Analog Delays in terms of longer delay times.

Other than that, I agree with most of the posts above.
Title: Analog vs. Digital delay
Post by: Phil on March 07, 2006, 07:43:42 AM
I use digital delay becuase it suits my taste in music.....and I like it.
Title: Analog vs. Digital delay
Post by: Taoistguitarist on March 07, 2006, 09:56:00 AM
Quote from: oasgomez
For me, I prefer Analog Delay because it sounds more natural to my ears.  In fact, I am using an old Boss DM2 unit.  I dont know about noise in Analog Delays but my DM2 sounds ok.  Analog Delays have a tendency to roll off some presence but if your guitar and amp have natural presence, you can restore presence in some way.  Digital Delays have an advantage over Analog Delays in terms of longer delay times.

Other than that, I agree with most of the posts above.


what's the longest delay time for your analog delay? Or better yet analog delays in general?  i'm thinking of trying out an analog delay to A/B with my RV3.
Title: Analog vs. Digital delay
Post by: ralphot on March 07, 2006, 10:31:35 AM
i have an arion sad-3 (was looking for an sad-1, but is very hard to find these days) - analog na stereo delay. the delays are very short, dark, muddy and too low on the mix to be even noticed. i use it mainly for its self-oscillation capabilities and not as a delay box per se.

a typical boss digital delay naman (dd-3 to 6) has a certain metallic ping to them when used on shorter delay modes. but the repeats are brighter and mas ramdam sa mix.

compared to a boss digi delay stomp, similar yung rv-3 to my sad-3 sonically (for my ears) - the delays tend to sound dark and muffled.
Title: Analog vs. Digital delay
Post by: pallas on March 07, 2006, 10:48:52 AM
Quote from: ralphot

compared to a boss digi delay stomp, similar yung rv-3 to my sad-3 sonically (for my ears) - the delays tend to sound dark and muffled.

..thats why im on the lookout for a boss rv3...oh kayo jan na ayaw na rv3 8)
Title: Re: Analog vs. Digital delay
Post by: wh1t33rick on June 24, 2009, 08:53:02 PM
Ibinabalik lang ang thread patungkol sa analog at digital delay kayo dyan.....

who is using both in the chain and settings to share? Im using both digital delays and just want to change the other one for an analog type any suggestions? May it be DIY pedals ok din! :lol:
Title: Re: Analog vs. Digital delay
Post by: anoemous on June 24, 2009, 09:38:54 PM
wow ayos to ah  :lol:

tanong ko na din, anong brand ng delay ang maganda na pwede mag store ng madaming settings ng delay? sa mga songs kasi namin i use a lot of delay in different settings. kaya ngayon multi effects na lang muna ang ginagamit ko. im thinking of either dd20 or line 6 kasi  :-)
Title: Re: Analog vs. Digital delay
Post by: saijo on June 24, 2009, 09:49:53 PM
^throw in a nova delay
Title: Re: Analog vs. Digital delay
Post by: pangalan on June 25, 2009, 01:07:57 AM
I had a DL4 and an RV-3. I liked them. With DL-4, maraming options, and you can store a few settings. RV-3 naman, the combination of the reverb and delay is amazing.
I put these away after getting a DM-2. The sound is just more natural to me, eventhough the delay time is pretty damn short (about 300 ms?), the weird crazy oscillations definitely make up for it.
Title: Re: Analog vs. Digital delay
Post by: Saturn/Return on June 25, 2009, 02:42:36 AM
Ibinabalik lang ang thread patungkol sa analog at digital delay kayo dyan.....

who is using both in the chain and settings to share? Im using both digital delays and just want to change the other one for an analog type any suggestions? May it be DIY pedals ok din! :lol:

I have one of each on my board :-) Can't live without one or the other. They're two different animals and I love both equally. Sounds great when cascaded too.

Try the artec analog delay:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2zBl65_iVc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2zBl65_iVc)

Or the carbon copy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJPde-C28iU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJPde-C28iU)


Title: Re: Analog vs. Digital delay
Post by: Poundcake on June 25, 2009, 03:01:05 AM
I prefer digital delay. I'm not too crazy about the tone alteration that analog delay units inherently do. I've been using TC Electronic delay units (Vintage Delay, Nova Delay) for the past two years and so far, I'm completely satisfied with both.

For anoemous:
Here are some delay pedals that can store multiple settings:
- Line 6 DL-4
- TC Electronic Nova Delay
- Eventide TimeFactor
- Empress Super Delay
- DigiTech Time Bender
- BOSS DD-20
Title: Re: Analog vs. Digital delay
Post by: smartkat on June 25, 2009, 03:16:54 AM
definitely analog. It sounds right and natural.
Title: Re: Analog vs. Digital delay
Post by: Jejan on June 25, 2009, 03:20:33 AM
I really like the sound of the Digital Delay. The sound is consistent.
Title: Re: Analog vs. Digital delay
Post by: wh1t33rick on June 25, 2009, 05:53:31 AM
^throw in a nova delay

haha im such a fan of nova delays...I'm incomplete without it in my board :-D
Title: Re: Analog vs. Digital delay
Post by: arkeetar on June 25, 2009, 08:09:13 AM
i guess digital (dd3) but i'm waiting for my hardwire dl8 (hybrid?)  :lol:

for analog delays i'll use it for reverb simulation only  :lol:
Title: Re: Analog vs. Digital delay
Post by: anoemous on June 25, 2009, 10:13:24 AM
I prefer digital delay. I'm not too crazy about the tone alteration that analog delay units inherently do. I've been using TC Electronic delay units (Vintage Delay, Nova Delay) for the past two years and so far, I'm completely satisfied with both.

For anoemous:
Here are some delay pedals that can store multiple settings:
- Line 6 DL-4
- TC Electronic Nova Delay
- Eventide TimeFactor
- Empress Super Delay
- DigiTech Time Bender
- BOSS DD-20



^throw in a nova delay


thanks for the tips!  :-) ill try to look for demos in youtube so that i can decide which delay is suitable for me  :-) as of now mukhang ok yung line 6 dl4 although i heard that may mga issues daw dun in terms of reliability of the unit.  :-)
Title: Re: Analog vs. Digital delay
Post by: Opay21 on June 26, 2009, 09:11:40 PM
In my opinion and my style of playing, I use DD's for ping pong  effects. My analogue delay(antala) is almost on all the time. :-D Gives my tone a bit more character.
Title: Re: Analog vs. Digital delay
Post by: pallas on June 27, 2009, 02:25:00 AM
DD3s lalo na pag MIJ cover a lot of ground for me. I mainly use an old boss dm3 for slapback duties.

If i wanna go loco yung udstomp by yamaha oks sya.

Anolog tsaka Digital rocks my world.
Title: Re: Analog vs. Digital delay
Post by: wh1t33rick on June 27, 2009, 06:40:17 AM

Anolog tsaka Digital rocks my world.

I'm willing to try for this setup... :-D what is your setting btw sir? care to share..
Title: Re: Analog vs. Digital delay
Post by: micl0x0 on October 13, 2009, 04:28:04 AM
tama! why not use both.
Title: Re: Analog vs. Digital delay
Post by: omarrodriguezvic on October 13, 2009, 04:38:46 AM
both of them ay may ibat ibang character.. kung ano maganda sayo yun ang kunin. mas maganda if you have both. I currently have arion sad-1 and planning to get a digital delay para doble saya..
Title: Re: Analog vs. Digital delay
Post by: paperlungs on October 13, 2009, 04:42:56 AM
IMO,it's better to have both of them on your board.
Title: Re: Analog vs. Digital delay
Post by: omarrodriguezvic on October 13, 2009, 05:22:50 AM
I used to have an analog Bucket Brigade delay.

Couldnt stand the noise. Of course my experience is limited by that singular example, but IMHO if you go analog with your delay, better get a noise gate ready at the end of your signal path.

BAMF


Sir Bamf, I have an arion sad-1, bucket brigade din to diba? hmmm.. wala naman akong ingay na naexperience using it.. sa ibang units siguro..

OT:

-may mod ka ba to make a digital delay sound like an analog pero switchable? I mean you can still produce both analog and digital sounds on it with a switch?
Title: Re: Analog vs. Digital delay
Post by: mbsunga on October 13, 2009, 06:29:16 AM
tried using digital, and the sound is very clear and of course loooonngeeer delay time
Title: Re: Analog vs. Digital delay
Post by: raybrig on October 13, 2009, 09:36:17 AM
Planning to make my (upcoming) analog delay to sound like a "reverb".
Tapos baka lang mag digital ako. Pero di pa ako tinatamaan ng GAS hehe
Title: Re: Analog vs. Digital delay
Post by: arkeetar on October 13, 2009, 09:42:51 AM
Planning to make my (upcoming) analog delay to sound like a "reverb".
Tapos baka lang mag digital ako. Pero di pa ako tinatamaan ng GAS hehe

nyahaha daming options pa man din  :lol:
Title: Re: Analog vs. Digital delay
Post by: raybrig on October 13, 2009, 10:21:11 AM
^ Kaw nagturo sakin nun technic na to hehe
Title: Re: Analog vs. Digital delay
Post by: arkeetar on October 13, 2009, 10:24:36 AM
^ Kaw nagturo sakin nun technic na to hehe

nyahaha mas ok kasi... s'kin huh haha nahawa ka na rin pala... nahawa lang din ako kay jim  :lol:
Title: Re: Analog vs. Digital delay
Post by: boogsy on October 13, 2009, 11:26:25 AM
Neither is better than the other:

Digital for pristine repeats, longer delay times (usually more than 2 seconds), tap tempo, and sometimes even short loops.

Analog for warmer repeats, natural sounding echoes, with shorter delay times (usually up to 500ms)
Title: Re: Analog vs. Digital delay
Post by: raybrig on October 13, 2009, 11:28:32 AM
Neither is better than the other:

Digital for pristine repeats, longer delay times (usually more than 2 seconds), tap tempo, and sometimes even short loops.

Analog for warmer repeats, natural sounding echoes, with shorter delay times (usually up to 500ms)

Yes. Preference!
Title: Re: Analog vs. Digital delay
Post by: Musikerochan on October 13, 2009, 01:37:40 PM
i havent tried a full-on analog pero based dun sa clips na narinig ko na, darker nga yung repeats.


pero i prefer digital delays, even the cheap ones, hitik sa feature. longer delay times, clearer repeats, tap tempo capabilities. sarap ding pang-techno :D
Title: Re: Analog vs. Digital delay
Post by: raphy137 on October 30, 2009, 04:13:28 PM
aun got my answer ..... Thanks mga sir !
Title: Re: Analog vs. Digital delay
Post by: pochbelmonte on February 11, 2011, 09:51:16 PM
puro delay ah. what about others?
Title: Re: Analog vs. Digital delay
Post by: teleclem on February 12, 2011, 10:44:16 AM
puro delay ah. what about others?

Meaning other types of effects?

I think some digital delays(with their 'analog voicing') can really stand up to or even beat the 'real' analog ones. Sa slapback lang ako 'di kuntento. And I haven't seen anything that can stand up to a big box dmm for that sound (as of now). That said, I'd go for a digital delay.
Title: Re: Analog vs. Digital delay
Post by: Musikerochan on February 14, 2011, 10:01:05 AM
when i want to give my lines a bit of "body", i kick in my Rebote 2.5 delay (digital processing using the PT2399 chip; sounds "analog-ish" due to dirty repeats).

when i want repeats as more of an effect, definitely digital delays.
Title: Re: Analog vs. Digital delay
Post by: pualux on February 14, 2011, 10:44:22 AM
If I want an analog voiced delay, kukunin ko parin yun sa analog mode ng digital delay ko hehe
Title: Re: Analog vs. Digital delay
Post by: samuelfianza on February 14, 2011, 11:05:29 AM
I prefer Digital Delay, clearer sound.
Title: Re: Analog vs. Digital delay
Post by: geda on February 14, 2011, 12:08:38 PM
Diba ang alam kong analog delay ay yung meron pang reel tape & meron disk drum. at ang housing nya ay malaki. At yung mga digital delay na ay yung mga regular stomp box and claiming analog delays. I'm a bit confuse  :roll:

or laymans term na ngayon ang analog basta nasa stomp box, and digi pag nasa multifx.

Title: Re: Analog vs. Digital delay
Post by: Musikerochan on February 14, 2011, 01:05:01 PM
merong mga stompbox delays na digitally-processed pero voiced para ma-emulate yung dirty repeats ng analog. best example is the Rebote. yung delayed signal nya is processed by the digital chip tapos filtered para padumihin yung mga repeats.

yung ibang stomps (dd-3/5/7/6, behringer dd100, boston dd100, etc.) are digital delays din. pero stomps sila. hindi limited sa multi yung mga digital delays AFAIK.

OTOH may debate pa rin how BBD delays should be treated. let's wait for the experts to chime in.
Title: Re: Analog vs. Digital delay
Post by: Saxtone on February 14, 2011, 01:26:29 PM
Ahmmm guys what do you call that Digilog Mod on delays?
Its modding a digital delay with analog warmth who has tried that?

Awesome ba yun?
Title: Re: Analog vs. Digital delay
Post by: teleclem on February 15, 2011, 08:26:30 AM
Diba ang alam kong analog delay ay yung meron pang reel tape & meron disk drum. at ang housing nya ay malaki. At yung mga digital delay na ay yung mga regular stomp box and claiming analog delays. I'm a bit confuse  :roll:

or laymans term na ngayon ang analog basta nasa stomp box, and digi pag nasa multifx.



Like an echoplex?

Mas 'Tape Delay' ang tawag diyan. Yung may bbd, like Carbon Copy, Memory Lane, etc are the ones usually called 'Analog Delay'. That's how most people refer to them at least.
Title: Re: Analog vs. Digital delay
Post by: geda on February 15, 2011, 10:31:45 AM
all your post are true and correct. kaya don't tell or say maga stomp box today ay analog. Kung talagang purist ka. humanap ka ng analog module and equipment.
... well it goes with the same in dirt pedals...