Author Topic: First Time Gear Buyer Questions Here! (Read 233259 times)

or6 · « **Reply #150 on:** October 09, 2008, 10:34:54 AM »

Quote from: paeng16 on October 08, 2008, 01:14:22 PM

My Newbie experience (hope you can get more info from this)

Idol ko si Lars Ulrich ng Metallica pero I started as a guitar player in music (actually Pioano kasi bata palang ako gi-ne-GAY ata ako ng nanay ko eh!) ehhehehe.

After reaching my peak sa guitar, I then moved to Drums and idolize Lars Ulrich.

So I went Window-shopping and found 8K crappy drum set. This is fine with me (at first) pero I find it "wasting" 8K kung yun ang bibilin ko. So I increase my budget and ended sa DDRUM na worth 26K.

The night nang unuwi ko yung set, syempre setup ko agad (excited kasi ako hehe). During setting up, naBASAG yung lock nung Floor TOM . So the following day, sinabi ko sa JB at papalitan daw nila. pero they also told me na "Sir next time dahan dahan lang po ang pag lock para di mabasag yung iba".

So binigyan nila ako ng replacement which is DIFFERENT COLOR and MADE . So I find it "NOT ACCEPTABLE". After discussing it with JB people. I then decided to change to "Pearl Forum". naging 32K na hehehe.. Pero wala akong trouble sa hardware and it sounded better sa DDRUM.

Yung DDRUM ko is Standard Set while yung Pearl forum is Fusion Set. This is why I told you before, try mo muna yung 2 set and then decided. (which I decided to get Fusion set).

OK, now that I have my set, PRACTICE PRACTICE PRACTICE hanggang naka buo na ako ng mga favorite songs ko. hehehe. At since nagimprove na yung drumming skills ko (thanks to YouTube and the movies I got from there). Gusto ko i-upgrade yung set ko.

So I got the following;
1) Gibraltar Double-pedal
2) HiHat Drop Clutch
3) Change my skins to REMO PINSTRIP and Emperor X for the snare.
4) Bought 12" K Splash, 14" & 18" China, 14" ZBT Crash and 16" A Custom medium crash.
5) Extra cymbal stands.

Moreover, when I bought the splash cymbal. 1st I bought the 10" A Custom splash. Kinabukasan sinoli at pinapalitan ko ng K 12"kasi hindi ko type yung tunog sa JB. Which the good people in JB accepted din.

Now I am playing more complicated pieces like TOTO, old school heavy metal like Metallica Megadeth, etc.,

Now I am looking for a 16" Floor tom para mahaba haba ang rolling at mas heavy (kung kailangan) ang tom beats.

Moral of my story is..

1) Stay away from crappy items and always compare the prices with New and 2nd hand items. kasi kung konti lang ang difference eh sa New kana. May WARRANTY PA!

And in the first place, ask your self.. BAKIT BINEBENTA YUNG 2nd hand?
A) maybe may mas maganda sa market?
B) Maybe hindi nagustuhan nung unang mayari.
C) Maybe may damage na.
D) etc etc...

2) Buy using your ear or how you feel. Hwag yung sa TINGIN lang! Music is listening not looking right?!

3) Go for GOOD or HIGH Quality items. kasi kung mag sawa ka or plano mo nang ibenta. MAGANDA ang RESALE value nya kesa sa mga crappy items.

Hope this helps and let me know kung kelan kita sasamahan ah! hehehe

---> NOSEBLEED!

di ko naintindihan ibang specs/terms na sinabi mo, di bali malalaman ko lahat yan in time.

btw, guys ano ibig sabihin ng 5pcs with hardware? tnx

sjon014 · « **Reply #151 on:** October 09, 2008, 10:48:26 AM »

Heheh, granted, medyo nosebleed nga siguro yung mga sinabi ni sir paeng, pero sort it out and read through it. It's good advice.

Hardware refers to the mounting equipment and other stuff (i.e. malalaking piraso ng bakal) you need to put the drumkit together and start playing! (Except cymbals hahah)

A standard 5-pc drumset with hardware means:
Five actual drums:
-Snare drum
-Three toms (commonly 12", 13", and 16" -or- 10", 12", and 14")
-One bass drum

Hardware:
-Snare stand
-Bass Pedal
-Tom holder/s
-Hi-hat stand
-Straight or boom cymbal stand/s

If you happen to see something labled as "5-piece shell pack" though, no hardware is included. Just the drums.

^_^

or6 · « **Reply #152 on:** October 09, 2008, 12:16:00 PM »

ah.. now i get it

so wala pa pala ang cymbals kapag sinabing ganon. then ang basic na kasamang cymbals ay 3? tama ba? so kapag naghanap ako ng drumset ang hahanapin ko pala e 5pc with hardware and cymbals? anong term dun? standard starter kit?
tnx

paeng16 · « **Reply #153 on:** October 09, 2008, 02:19:57 PM »

Quote from: or6 on October 09, 2008, 12:16:00 PM

ah.. now i get it

so wala pa pala ang cymbals kapag sinabing ganon. then ang basic na kasamang cymbals ay 3? tama ba? so kapag naghanap ako ng drumset ang hahanapin ko pala e 5pc with hardware and cymbals? anong term dun? standard starter kit?
tnx

Sorry sa Nose bleed post ko!

Anyways, I went last night sa JB Mega and found they have Pearl Target Under 20K color maroonish. nice yun. (yan ah! kina-kanvas na kita!

)

If you happen to drop by sa JB Music Megamall, look for Nelson (the drum doctor) and tell him na "GF" kita!

or Good Friend

Don't worry, I will look sa AudioPhile Pioneer branch at sa Yamaha Megamall.

paeng16 · « **Reply #154 on:** October 09, 2008, 02:35:19 PM »

To or6

Ang the best talaga is to bring along a drummer when shopping. (ehem! ehem!)

Like me, when I first bought my very first car. dala ko yung "mechanic at driver namin"....

"kilala lang" pala namin,

hindi mismong amin

mondi99060451 · « **Reply #155 on:** October 09, 2008, 06:19:41 PM »

up natin to para sa mga newbs

sjon014 · « **Reply #156 on:** October 09, 2008, 09:22:09 PM »

Quote from: or6 on October 09, 2008, 12:16:00 PM

ah.. now i get it

so wala pa pala ang cymbals kapag sinabing ganon. then ang basic na kasamang cymbals ay 3? tama ba? so kapag naghanap ako ng drumset ang hahanapin ko pala e 5pc with hardware and cymbals? anong term dun? standard starter kit?
tnx

Well, usually wala talagang kasama - pero may stock brass (low-end) cymbals lang in the case of Pearl and Tama Imperialstars. But I've seen JB, Yupangco, and Forerunner package cymbal sets as a sort of "promo". See for yourself when you visit the stores. For example: (sa JB, in their big yellow info tags)

Gretsch Blackhawk 5-pc Set w/ hardware plus FREE ZBT Pro 4 4-pc cymbals. Reg price: 45,000 Sale price: 38,000
(sample lang yung prices)

Ayun, they "package" some of their drums with entry-level cymbal packs. By the way, these packs come in "three-piece" and "four-piece". Three-piece means you have Hi-Hats, and a Crash-Ride. Four-Piece means you have Hi-hats, a separate Crash, and a separate Ride.

If I were you though, I'd inquire about drumset prices without cymbal packs - so I can buy the cymbals separately.

jcberedo · « **Reply #157 on:** October 09, 2008, 11:45:53 PM »

Guys I need help here. I want to buy a drumset, cymbalset and accessories. I have a budget of 60k for all of them. I also want to include a splash, china, doublepeds and extra hardwares (for the splash and china). What brand can you guys recommend? My musical styles are rock and progressive rock. Please advise. Thanks!

boypalo · « **Reply #158 on:** October 09, 2008, 11:51:31 PM »

tama drums and double peds. tapos cymbals depende sa taste mo pero personally gusto ko sabian. pero it's still up to you.

jcberedo · « **Reply #159 on:** October 09, 2008, 11:55:36 PM »

Quote from: boypalo on October 09, 2008, 11:51:31 PM

tama drums and double peds. tapos cymbals depende sa taste mo pero personally gusto ko sabian. pero it's still up to you.

Gusto ko rin TAMA. How much b ung cheapest line nila? Gusto ko rin Sabian pero dami na kasi gumagamit nun. Maiba nmn ok b ang Paiste? Where is the BEST place to buy all those stuffs for 60k?

boypalo · « **Reply #160 on:** October 10, 2008, 12:26:34 AM »

http://talk.philmusic.com/board/index.php/topic,33857.0.html

kung may naisip ka pa iba na tatak search mo nalang

jcberedo · « **Reply #161 on:** October 10, 2008, 06:23:12 AM »

Quote from: boypalo on October 10, 2008, 12:26:34 AM

eto para di ka mahirapan. basahin mo nalang mga reviews dito

eto pala halos parehas
http://talk.philmusic.com/board/index.php/topic,41598.0.html

eto shopping thread
http://talk.philmusic.com/board/index.php/topic,34526.0.html

eto reviews ng products
ZILDJIAN
http://talk.philmusic.com/board/index.php/topic,18828.0.html
WUHAN
http://talk.philmusic.com/board/index.php/topic,23592.0.html
PAISTE
http://talk.philmusic.com/board/index.php/topic,18397.0.html
MEINL
http://talk.philmusic.com/board/index.php/topic,19516.0.html
STAGG
http://talk.philmusic.com/board/index.php/topic,29016.0.html
TAMA
http://talk.philmusic.com/board/index.php/topic,24487.0.html
MAPEX/BLACK PANTHER
http://talk.philmusic.com/board/index.php/topic,24814.0.html
PEARL
http://talk.philmusic.com/board/index.php/topic,6997.0.html
VATER
http://talk.philmusic.com/board/index.php/topic,96019.0.html
eto IRON COBRA THREAD
http://talk.philmusic.com/board/index.php/topic,18426.0.html
pati drumshoes meron
http://talk.philmusic.com/board/index.php/topic,33857.0.html

kung may naisip ka pa iba na tatak search mo nalang

NICE!! Thanks man!

paeng16 · « **Reply #162 on:** October 10, 2008, 09:16:20 AM »

Quote from: sjon014 on October 09, 2008, 09:22:09 PM

Well, usually wala talagang kasama - pero may stock brass (low-end) cymbals lang in the case of Pearl and Tama Imperialstars. But I've seen JB, Yupangco, and Forerunner package cymbal sets as a sort of "promo". See for yourself when you visit the stores. For example: (sa JB, in their big yellow info tags)

Gretsch Blackhawk 5-pc Set w/ hardware plus FREE ZBT Pro 4 4-pc cymbals. Reg price: 45,000 Sale price: 38,000
(sample lang yung prices)

Ayun, they "package" some of their drums with entry-level cymbal packs. By the way, these packs come in "three-piece" and "four-piece". Three-piece means you have Hi-Hats, and a Crash-Ride. Four-Piece means you have Hi-hats, a separate Crash, and a separate Ride.

If I were you though, I'd inquire about drumset prices without cymbal packs - so I can buy the cymbals separately.

or ask paengs assistance to escort you...

paeng16 · « **Reply #163 on:** October 10, 2008, 09:19:23 AM »

// COPY-PASTE from the other thread //

sa 60K budget..

Pwede ka mag gretch, pearl, tama, Ludwig etc. Pero consider mo muna to.

1) Cymbals < mahal to at baka mawalan ka nang budget for this babies.
2) Skins or bater heads. (yung mga nasa new drums kasi 1 ply lang, pag narinig mo yung mga pinstipe ma papawow ka men.).
3) double-kick or twin-pedal. < mga 7k to 8K din to. iba na kasi yung may ABANG na double-kick sa single kick eh. Kasi less than a year (for newbies) magsasawa ka sa single kick at hahanap ka din ng double-kick.
4) THRONE - a good throne like gibralter cost about 3K. Men importante ito kahit sinong drummer will agree.

So given all those things and with 60K budget, i'd go for...
1) ludwig(birch) 8,12,13,16 toms with conversion kit this is under 40K sa JB with ZBT cymbals na to.
2) Buy double-kick na gibraltar (mga 7K to 8K).
3) Gibraltar throne (3K).
4) Zildian K 12" Splash + gibraltar boom (mga 7K itong 2)
5) sukli pang PEGASUS (kasi konti nalang eh) hehehe..

That is my best estimate for the "PRESENTLY" available drum sets sa JB. AudioPhile madami ding TAMA.

Sa set na yan, you can play almost anything (metal, pop, rock, jazz, etc). Ang haba pa ng ROLLING mo (kasi 4 toms) at yan Splash K mo.. MA-AARAWS KA (hhehe).. Yung double-kick... well dagdag sa SKILL mo yan..

black_panther · « **Reply #164 on:** October 10, 2008, 10:38:18 AM »

hey man, just in case you are considering mapex drums/stagg cymbals then i can help you work out that 60k budget pare, just pm me and i will have our mapex team help you..cheers...let the black panther roar!!!!!!!!

www.mapexdrums.com

in_the_tent · « **Reply #165 on:** October 10, 2008, 11:38:57 AM »

stagg cymbals is the way to go bro..

drums maraming maganda.

jcberedo · « **Reply #166 on:** October 10, 2008, 12:37:47 PM »

Eh guys how about gibraltar hardwares? Where can I find those doublepeds n cheap dw pero matibay.

*No TXT spelling please.
-Mod

paeng16 · « **Reply #167 on:** October 10, 2008, 02:15:45 PM »

Quote from: jcberedo on October 10, 2008, 12:37:47 PM

Eh guys how about gibraltar hardwares? Where can I find those doublepeds n cheap dw pero matibay.

*No TXT spelling please.
-Mod

Yan ang the best men... GIBRALTAR..

HiHat Drop clutch, Double pedal, cymbal/splash stand and Throne ko Gibraltar men.

Hindi ka mapaaphiya dyan at SOLID ang PAGKAGAWA.... (SOSI PA!) hehehe

Sa JB ako nakabili ng mga yan..

jcberedo · « **Reply #168 on:** October 10, 2008, 05:17:01 PM »

Quote from: paeng16 on October 10, 2008, 02:15:45 PM

Yan ang the best men... GIBRALTAR..

HiHat Drop clutch, Double pedal, cymbal/splash stand and Throne ko Gibraltar men.

Hindi ka mapaaphiya dyan at SOLID ang PAGKAGAWA.... (SOSI PA!) hehehe

Sa JB ako nakabili ng mga yan..

Where yung JB? Sensya na ha medyo ignorant ako sa mga yan. Hehe.

boypalo · « **Reply #169 on:** October 10, 2008, 05:19:06 PM »

Quote from: jcberedo on October 10, 2008, 05:17:01 PM

Where yung JB? Sensya na ha medyo ignorant ako sa mga yan. Hehe.

sa mga malls meron nyan. JB music and sports

Cairo · « **Reply #170 on:** October 11, 2008, 10:02:38 PM »

Pano po ba nakapackage ang Tama drums pag binili ng brand new? Nag iisip po kasi ako kung anong sasakyan ang gagamitin ko.. Pick up ko lang po kasi sana.. TIA

jcberedo · « **Reply #171 on:** October 11, 2008, 11:05:10 PM »

Quote from: Cairo on October 11, 2008, 10:02:38 PM

Pano po ba nakapackage ang Tama drums pag binili ng brand new? Nag iisip po kasi ako kung anong sasakyan ang gagamitin ko.. Pick up ko lang po kasi sana.. TIA

in boxes syempre per drum. dapat Van ang dala mong vehicle.

Cairo · « **Reply #172 on:** October 11, 2008, 11:27:11 PM »

ah ok.. thanks po!

Kasya po kaya sa FX? May 2 po akong companion..

sixars · « **Reply #173 on:** October 11, 2008, 11:42:48 PM »

good evening po sa mga members ask ko lang po kung ok yung x-trekII na drum set sa raon(9.5k), remo na daw po heads nya ewan ko lang po kung totoong remo yun?
x-trek din kasi nakalagay sa heads nya tapos yung remo nasa ilallim lang.
bago palang din kaya wala rin gaano alam pagdating sa mga teknikal na aspeto.
tapos meron dito sa amin inaalok lazer naman (12k) may kasama ng ride yung planet Z pero yung hi hats at crash niya stock, pero remo na head nung snare nya. medyo naguguluhan po kasi ako eh, maraming salamat po mabuhay po kayo.

boypalo · « **Reply #174 on:** October 11, 2008, 11:58:57 PM »

Quote from: sixars on October 11, 2008, 11:42:48 PM

good evening po sa mga members ask ko lang po kung ok yung x-trekII na drum set sa raon(9.5k), remo na daw po heads nya ewan ko lang po kung totoong remo yun?
x-trek din kasi nakalagay sa heads nya tapos yung remo nasa ilallim lang.
bago palang din kaya wala rin gaano alam pagdating sa mga teknikal na aspeto.
tapos meron dito sa amin inaalok lazer naman (12k) may kasama ng ride yung planet Z pero yung hi hats at crash niya stock, pero remo na head nung snare nya. medyo naguguluhan po kasi ako eh, maraming salamat po mabuhay po kayo.

siguro totoo naman na remo yun. may ganun din sa ibang heads diba? tama ba ko? sa pearl at mapex ata ganun din. yung tatak malaki tapos remo na maliit sa baba. correct me if i'm wrong

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