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Re: [grape] question: Linux based OS vs. Windows
« Reply #25 on: November 06, 2009, 05:54:27 PM »
i just recently installed ubuntu on my dads old laptop. thumbs up.  it took me a while to get the wifi card working but with a bit of patience umandar naman.  the advantage of linux is that there is no need to install an anti-virus so the pc can run a bit faster than expected.  also there is virtually all sorts of windows app alternative, name it.  all you have to do is click on application>ubuntu software center  and then choose what you need.  everything comes free.  ang saya.  you also have the peace of mind of using legit software, diba?

download ubuntu from their site.  then fix your BIOS so that it boots from the cd.  then install ubuntu as you would windows.  that easy. 

i installed, then uninstalled WINE from that computer so as to make sure i don't pick up viruses that can be activated thru it.  a more refined version of WINE would be Crossover Linux.  it's more well developed and the creators offer support.  personally, if there is an alternative free app from the software center, i would rather not have anything microsoft on a linux machine to keep it more secure.

i heart ubuntu 9.10 :)


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Re: [grape] question: Linux based OS vs. Windows
« Reply #26 on: November 06, 2009, 06:05:51 PM »
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Re: [grape] question: Linux based OS vs. Windows
« Reply #27 on: November 06, 2009, 06:35:32 PM »
i just recently installed ubuntu on my dads old laptop. thumbs up.  it took me a while to get the wifi card working but with a bit of patience umandar naman.  the advantage of linux is that there is no need to install an anti-virus so the pc can run a bit faster than expected.  also there is virtually all sorts of windows app alternative, name it.  all you have to do is click on application>ubuntu software center  and then choose what you need.  everything comes free.  ang saya.  you also have the peace of mind of using legit software, diba?

download ubuntu from their site.  then fix your BIOS so that it boots from the cd.  then install ubuntu as you would windows.  that easy.  

i installed, then uninstalled WINE from that computer so as to make sure i don't pick up viruses that can be activated thru it.  a more refined version of WINE would be Crossover Linux.  it's more well developed and the creators offer support.  personally, if there is an alternative free app from the software center, i would rather not have anything microsoft on a linux machine to keep it more secure.

i heart ubuntu 9.10 :)




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I enjoy the games in ubuntu.
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Re: [grape] question: Linux based OS vs. Windows
« Reply #28 on: November 06, 2009, 09:19:27 PM »
i just recently installed ubuntu on my dads old laptop. thumbs up.  it took me a while to get the wifi card working but with a bit of patience umandar naman.  the advantage of linux is that there is no need to install an anti-virus so the pc can run a bit faster than expected.  also there is virtually all sorts of windows app alternative, name it.  all you have to do is click on application>ubuntu software center  and then choose what you need.  everything comes free.  ang saya.  you also have the peace of mind of using legit software, diba?

download ubuntu from their site.  then fix your BIOS so that it boots from the cd.  then install ubuntu as you would windows.  that easy. 

i installed, then uninstalled WINE from that computer so as to make sure i don't pick up viruses that can be activated thru it.  a more refined version of WINE would be Crossover Linux.  it's more well developed and the creators offer support.  personally, if there is an alternative free app from the software center, i would rather not have anything microsoft on a linux machine to keep it more secure.

i heart ubuntu 9.10 :)




so wala ka windows apps sa laptop? and that would prevent viruses from coming in right?
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Re: [grape] question: Linux based OS vs. Windows
« Reply #29 on: November 07, 2009, 01:14:20 AM »
mas ok ang linux kasi less virus pero mas madaling gamitin ang windows hehe


yung mga gusto ng ubuntu, sign up lang po kayo sa site nila tapos idedeliver yung free cd. na try na namin.. may libreng sticker hehe


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« Reply #30 on: November 07, 2009, 02:15:30 AM »
so wala ka windows apps sa laptop? and that would prevent viruses from coming in right?

im not too sure but i read something to that effect.  your computer could pick up windows viruses which might not run on your linux machine but can be passed on via usb, etc onto other machines. 
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Re: [grape] question: Linux based OS vs. Windows
« Reply #31 on: November 07, 2009, 06:38:48 AM »
one thing i did like about ubuntu 9.10 is the easy updating/downloading of packages/codecs/plugins. downside, compared to 9.04 i couldnt access my other drives. i still have yet to figure that out.

though may mga astig na games siya ah. theres a game you can download for free which is very much like guitar hero (and you can even import guitar hero songs).

edit: i still couldnt find linux graphics drivers for my laptop :-( im stuck with a 800x600 reso.
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« Reply #32 on: November 07, 2009, 09:25:42 AM »
one thing i did like about ubuntu 9.10 is the easy updating/downloading of packages/codecs/plugins. downside, compared to 9.04 i couldnt access my other drives. i still have yet to figure that out.

though may mga astig na games siya ah. theres a game you can download for free which is very much like guitar hero (and you can even import guitar hero songs).

edit: i still couldnt find linux graphics drivers for my laptop :-( im stuck with a 800x600 reso.

sorry to hear about your drivers. yun lang hassle sa linux.  kailangan chagain yung drivers when you're out of luck.  may issue pala yung ubuntu 9.10 ko.  when i insert dvd's i have to right click the icon and select eject to eject it.  hindi gumagana yung button sa dvd drive with dvd's.  also, i need two apps to make sure the network manager authenticates the wifi connection.  somehow yung built in network manager hindi maka authenticate ng maayos so i had to install RutilT wifi device manager and use it side by side the stock network manager.  there's also a keyring issue which makes you have to enter your password every time you wirelessly connect to the net.  there's a work around pero i don't wanna risk it after trying the first time and getting completely locked out of my desktop (and had to reinstall).
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Re: [grape] question: Linux based OS vs. Windows
« Reply #33 on: November 07, 2009, 12:10:41 PM »
sorry to hear about your drivers. yun lang hassle sa linux.  kailangan chagain yung drivers when you're out of luck.  may issue pala yung ubuntu 9.10 ko.  when i insert dvd's i have to right click the icon and select eject to eject it.  hindi gumagana yung button sa dvd drive with dvd's.  also, i need two apps to make sure the network manager authenticates the wifi connection.  somehow yung built in network manager hindi maka authenticate ng maayos so i had to install RutilT wifi device manager and use it side by side the stock network manager.  there's also a keyring issue which makes you have to enter your password every time you wirelessly connect to the net.  there's a work around pero i don't wanna risk it after trying the first time and getting completely locked out of my desktop (and had to reinstall).

that is one of the security features kaya di mabayrusan ang ubuntu (imo)
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Re: [grape] question: Linux based OS vs. Windows
« Reply #34 on: November 08, 2009, 02:38:08 PM »
sorry to hear about your drivers. yun lang hassle sa linux.  kailangan chagain yung drivers when you're out of luck.  may issue pala yung ubuntu 9.10 ko.  when i insert dvd's i have to right click the icon and select eject to eject it.  hindi gumagana yung button sa dvd drive with dvd's.  also, i need two apps to make sure the network manager authenticates the wifi connection.  somehow yung built in network manager hindi maka authenticate ng maayos so i had to install RutilT wifi device manager and use it side by side the stock network manager.  there's also a keyring issue which makes you have to enter your password every time you wirelessly connect to the net.  there's a work around pero i don't wanna risk it after trying the first time and getting completely locked out of my desktop (and had to reinstall).

well graphic drivers wouldnt be much of a problem if my onboard was ati or nvidia or even intel. my onboard is sis mirage 3.

hmm just curious, what makes crossover better than wine?

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« Reply #35 on: November 09, 2009, 07:25:42 AM »
i did a bit of research and apparently, Crossover's code is a refined version of Wine.  i'm guessing more MS apps work with it, plus you get support after purchase (that's perhaps why more apps run on it).

btw, the old laptop on which i installed ubuntu had an sis video card which could be detected properly.  but i'm pretty sure it's not the same model. 

you might've seen this link before but if you haven't, it may be worth looking at.

http://www.davidjmoore.com/2008/01/27/how-to-get-the-sis-mirage-1-graphics-chip-to-work-with-ubuntu/
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Re: [grape] question: Linux based OS vs. Windows
« Reply #36 on: November 09, 2009, 09:21:34 PM »
Ang ubuntu at ang linux po ba ay iisa? :?
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Re: [grape] question: Linux based OS vs. Windows
« Reply #37 on: November 09, 2009, 10:52:26 PM »
Ang ubuntu at ang linux po ba ay iisa? :?

gawa po ng linux ang ubuntu =]
kumbaga sa microsoft, yun yung windows7 nila hehe  :mrgreen:

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Re: [grape] question: Linux based OS vs. Windows
« Reply #38 on: November 12, 2009, 05:33:42 AM »
yun ang maganda sa Linux... pwede mong buhayin uli yung mga lumang laptops :)

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« Reply #39 on: November 12, 2009, 09:54:45 AM »
if i get a spankin' brand new laptop, sigurado akong i will be running ubuntu on it.  :) or some other flavor of linux. 
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Re: [grape] question: Linux based OS vs. Windows
« Reply #40 on: December 02, 2009, 08:03:25 PM »
- Open source softwares are widely maintained by the people within the GNU community (You can browse into docs/mailing lists/forums). On the other hand, closed-source software are usually maintained by programmers within the company, and your only option is to WAIT for updates and fixes to arrive, when bugs and crashes are unveiled.

- Open source softwares derive their software from their closed-source counterparts. For that, it's a 50-50 situation -- sometimes open source can go head-to-head (or in small cases, out-perform) with the other (e.g. 7-Zip vs. WinRAR); and some top proprietary softwares are woth the bill, and does the job than the second-rate-trying-hards (e.g. Adobe Photoshop vs. GIMP).

- Lastly, open source invites terrorism......... YEAH RIGHT  :roll:


Mas safe ang linux based os sa virus to a certain extent because windows is more popular, hence more viruses are made for windows.
(nasa pag-iingat nalang rin yun at antiviral software mo, itigil ang kakadownload ng porno)

Mas maganda itry mo windows 7 or apple snow leopard
Yes, but that's just the tip of the iceberg... There are more reasons why Windows is completely vulnerable to viruses compared to Linux (read this):

Linux hardly has any viruses. And that's not like "Oh well, not very often, you know". That's like "If you've ever heard of a real Linux virus, please tell me". Of course, a Linux virus is not impossible to get. However, Linux makes it very hard for this to happen, for several reasons:

    * Most people use Microsoft Windows, and pirates want to do as much damage (or control) as possible: therefore, they target Windows. But that's not the only reason; the Apache web server (a web server is a program located on a remote computer that sends web pages to your browser when you ask for them), which is open source software, has the biggest market share (against Microsoft's IIS server), but it still suffers from much fewer attacks/flaws than the Microsoft one.
    * Linux uses smart authorization management. In Windows you (and any program you install) usually have the right to do pretty much anything to the system. If you feel like punishing your PC because it just let your precious work disappear, you can go inside the system folder and delete whatever you want: Windows won't complain. Of course, the next time you reboot, trouble begins. But imagine that if you can delete this system stuff, other programs can, too, or just mess it up. Linux doesn't allow that. Every time you request to do something that has to do with the system, an administrator password is required (and if you're not an administrator on this system, you simply can't do it). Viruses can't just go around and delete or modify what they want in the system; they don't have the authorization for that.
    * More eyes make fewer security flaws. Linux is Open source software, which means that any programmer in the world can have a look at the code (the "recipe" of any program), and help out, or just tell other developers "Hey, what if blah blah, isn't this a security flaw?".

IMO, reason 2 really makes sense.

Dapat bootable image yung maobtain mong copy, then burn it to a CD.

Boot from the CD, follow the instructions. Parang nagiinstall ka lang din ng Windows from scratch.


FYI, there is this thing in the GNU world called "LIVE CD": by definition, it's a bootable installation CD, with an added option to run the OS "live" even before installing it to your hard drive, so that you can have a taste of it.

ive tried Mandriva(command line based pa to hehehe) Fedora and Ubuntu...

ang masasabi ko lang eh it takes time and patience to get used to it..pero pag nakuha mo na kung paano sya gamitin like kung pano mag execute ng programs, san makakahanap ng emulators and stuff, madami kang maiisip na possibilities sa paggamit nyan..

the new Ubuntu and Fedora looks awesome btw

wikipedia also has tons of stuff that can help you.

I would rather recommend Linux Mint instead -- it offers better simplicity for Linux beginners. Then later on you can progress by trying other distros like Fedora, then Sorcerer Linux if ever (for me, this is the most powerful distro.) If you can, you might as well explore the BSD world as well (you can try FreeBSD for that).

And by the way, there's a Linux distro developed by Filipinos -- Bayanihan 5. Check it out.

http://bayanihan.gov.ph
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Re: [grape] question: Linux based OS vs. Windows
« Reply #41 on: December 02, 2009, 09:10:20 PM »
http://www.kahelos.org/ is also pinoy made
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« Reply #42 on: December 31, 2009, 11:56:01 AM »
im back in this thread and i still havent resolved my graphics card issue for my laptop.

a friend of mine told me to try ndiswrapper also to solve my wifi problems. havent tried it but it did work for him. im thinking of doing the same for my graphics driver. any known wrapping app for this?

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« Reply #43 on: January 01, 2010, 07:03:36 PM »
update: finally found the drivers for sis mirage 3. i should have looked at the chipset aside from the model code. usb audio interface at wifi card nalang, okay na tong laptop ko for an ubuntu studio setup. (at panapat ko sa mga kids na kumukuha ng macbooks para gawing bling-bling hehe)

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« Reply #44 on: January 03, 2010, 12:02:32 AM »
update: finally found the drivers for sis mirage 3. i should have looked at the chipset aside from the model code. usb audio interface at wifi card nalang, okay na tong laptop ko for an ubuntu studio setup. (at panapat ko sa mga kids na kumukuha ng macbooks para gawing bling-bling hehe)

sir try nyo rin yung 64 Studio, sa pagkakaalam ko Debian based siya.
stable release nila is 2.0, though sinusubukan ko ngayon yung 3.0 beta 3 (gumamit ng Ubuntu Hardy packages kasi "stable" daw).
cant wait for the 3.0 release :D

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« Reply #45 on: January 03, 2010, 04:32:06 PM »
sir try nyo rin yung 64 Studio, sa pagkakaalam ko Debian based siya.
stable release nila is 2.0, though sinusubukan ko ngayon yung 3.0 beta 3 (gumamit ng Ubuntu Hardy packages kasi "stable" daw).
cant wait for the 3.0 release :D

i was actually thinking of switching to 64 studio for my laptop in case i couldnt find any vid card drivers and all. pero okay lang. maybe when i see the need to reformat my whole laptop (its on dual boot with win xp though thinking of switching to win7).

so hows the gui on 64 studio?

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Re: [grape] question: Linux based OS vs. Windows
« Reply #46 on: January 13, 2010, 11:38:50 PM »

 :oops:

should i? should i not?
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« Reply #47 on: January 14, 2010, 05:02:27 PM »
go for it! though it may take some tweaking but the commands are almost easy as copy paste! lots of tips on the ubuntu forums website. kaunting tweaking nalang at mapapagana ko na yung wifi at globe tattoo on linux :-D theres also crossover for your windows based needs.

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« Reply #48 on: January 14, 2010, 05:21:07 PM »
go for it! though it may take some tweaking but the commands are almost easy as copy paste! lots of tips on the ubuntu forums website. kaunting tweaking nalang at mapapagana ko na yung wifi at globe tattoo on linux :-D theres also crossover for your windows based needs.

waaah! what if my sun broadband wont work? what if my video card wont go well with it? what if the programs i need doesnt have drivers yet??? haha i need do to more research!  :|
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« Reply #49 on: January 14, 2010, 08:10:59 PM »
waaah! what if my sun broadband wont work? what if my video card wont go well with it? what if the programs i need doesnt have drivers yet??? haha i need do to more research!  :|

napagana ko na kanina yung wifi at globe broadband. like i said it needs tweaking. as for video cards, the big names like nvidia or ati have drivers for them most of the time. as for the other drivers, what do you need anyway? i currently have crossover for linux for my windows apps...pero plants vs zombies yung nakainstall pa lang dun. :-D