Resonance Dead Spot

[Eivar]

Gusto ko lang sana makakuha ng opinions sa inyo.

I'm experiencing a deadspot, the resonance type, on my 17th fret 3rd string (G string). The note will play but will decay drastically, not the same with other notes na slowly mag decay. Mejo same behavior with 2nd string 13th fret (same note)

Dinala ko na sa Guitar 1 Custom and sa Guitar Hospital for setup so fret level and setup ay ruled out na.

Galing ako sa shred style so di ko pansin dati, ngayon ala-sustain solo inaaral ko.

Experience nyo din ba sa gitara nyo to? Na-fix nyo ba?

[modmod]

Picture bro ng guitar.

[caloyburger]

Have the same thing on my SG, 3rd string, 11th fret. Seems to be common on SGs due to the long unsupported neck which allows for freer vibrations. Doesn't really bother me so I'm not after any remedy but I believe adding more mass (fat finger on headstock) will shift the frequency changing the position of the deadspot. It will still be there but hopefully in a position that you hardly use/ won't bother you.

[Eivar]

Picture bro ng guitar.

what angle or shot or which part of the guitar you want me to zoom in? just asking what guitar issues are you looking for that can affect dead spot.

Have the same thing on my SG, 3rd string, 11th fret. Seems to be common on SGs due to the long unsupported neck which allows for freer vibrations. Doesn't really bother me so I'm not after any remedy but I believe adding more mass (fat finger on headstock) will shift the frequency changing the position of the deadspot. It will still be there but hopefully in a position that you hardly use/ won't bother you.

so I guess your "remedy" is to live with it? before i can live with it since i play most is shred style, but now i'm trying to be melodic and be as flexible with other style, it bothers me kasi yung note is very common which is "do" or "C" when doing common scales from common key signatures i like (G major, E minor, C Major, A minor).

[curiousdcat]

Same prob with a guitar of mine. Tuning up or down will only move the "dead spot" higher or lower also. This would mean that the particular frequency of the note is conflicting with the overall resonant frequency of the guitar. As suggested above, acquiring Fat Fingers (http://www.fender.com/en-PH/accessories/fatfinger/fatfinger-guitar-nickel/) will change that frequency and move it to another location on the fretboard due to the additional mass. Where it moves it varies from one guitar to the next again because of the unique frequencies each and every guitar has or reacts to.

[nathanmanansala]

'round here thats whats called "hiyaw"

[Rmansh]

Gusto ko lang sana makakuha ng opinions sa inyo.

I'm experiencing a deadspot, the resonance type, on my 17th fret 3rd string (G string). The note will play but will decay drastically, not the same with other notes na slowly mag decay. Mejo same behavior with 2nd string 13th fret (same note)

Dinala ko na sa Guitar 1 Custom and sa Guitar Hospital for setup so fret level and setup ay ruled out na.

Galing ako sa shred style so di ko pansin dati, ngayon ala-sustain solo inaaral ko.

Experience nyo din ba sa gitara nyo to? Na-fix nyo ba?

your fret/s is probably not seated properly. you need to glue it, then level it. leveling without glueing the frets is a waste of time and money.

[free2rock]

your fret/s is probably not seated properly. you need to glue it, then level it. leveling without glueing the frets is a waste of time and money.

+1, you will need to remove the fret, clean the slot, install a new fret with glue or wick in superglue.

[Eivar]

Same prob with a guitar of mine. Tuning up or down will only move the "dead spot" higher or lower also. This would mean that the particular frequency of the note is conflicting with the overall resonant frequency of the guitar. As suggested above, acquiring Fat Fingers (http://www.fender.com/en-PH/accessories/fatfinger/fatfinger-guitar-nickel/) will change that frequency and move it to another location on the fretboard due to the additional mass. Where it moves it varies from one guitar to the next again because of the unique frequencies each and every guitar has or reacts to.

I've researched about fat fingers, and as you have said, it will only move the dead spot into another note. One day I might be using that note more frequently so baka di na naman ako makatulog dun sa dead spot na nilipatan, hehehe! I'll look into the fat fingers tho, Thanks sa suggestion.

'round here thats whats called "hiyaw"

I've read that "hiyaw" here, and I believe I know what it sounds (slight wah? increasing volume when bending?), and I believe "hiyaw" should be a positive guitar character. Pero ito hindi ata "hiyaw", "HIYA" ata tong problem ko. 

your fret/s is probably not seated properly. you need to glue it, then level it. leveling without glueing the frets is a waste of time and money.

+1, you will need to remove the fret, clean the slot, install a new fret with glue or wick in superglue.

Thanks for your suggestion, I'll bring it back to my luthier for reseating that specific fret, pero sa sweldo na siguro, newly leveled pa lang kasi.

Pero contakin ko baka may warranty si luthier, I'll update once accomplished.

[Eivar]

By the way, baka may iba pa kayo masuggest na remedy that requires a luthier para masabay ko na if ever. Thanks for your  replies.

[curiousdcat]

A temporary solution, while you have not yet dropped the guitar off at your guitar tech's, is to play with the headstock touching or in contact with one of the walls in your room. From experience, solid concrete would be better but door jambs would do as well. Hollow wooden walls have very little effect.

I had Arie check on my guitar with the same problem years ago when I had newly purchased it but he was unable to fix the problem despite his well-known abilities and capabilities. No fret reseating or reglueing was done, attempted or even considered then but I truly hope that it would resolve the issue. Please tell me if it does so that I could have mine done as well. 

[Eivar]

@curiousdcat

Have you tried changing string brand? Or gauge? Well Arie suggested to do it and test again the dead spot before doing any intrusive job.

[curiousdcat]

@curiousdcat

Have you tried changing string brand? Or gauge? Well Arie suggested to do it and test again the dead spot before doing any intrusive job.

Yes to both. I've even changed nut type, upgraded my saddles and tone block to brass and used different tunings but the issue remains. Try changing string brand and gauge still though because that might work on your end. If it does not, I think Arie now might have a solution because, as you implied, he is looking at an intrusive job as a last resort. I do not think he would even consider it if it would not have any effect.

[bryanarzaga]

it might be there's too much space in the fretslots and that i know is common on some imports that do not glue their frets, gluing fills up the void/space so whatever reverberates on the frets will go down to the neck.

try experimenting with your pickups lowered and if the problem still persist then its the neck, i would suggest to take the guitar to rchino and have it looked at.

i've done this to cheap and 1400$ guitars, it works. ebmm, prs, j-custom,warrior instruments, suhr and anderson do it for a reason.

[skunkyfunk]

Before you accuse your guitar of dead spots, ensure that your frets are dressed properly.

[Eivar]

Before you accuse your guitar of dead spots, ensure that your frets are dressed properly.

My guitar's frets are dressed properly, perfectly leveled and crowned and action setup not too low recently by Arie Hipolito last week. Definitely no fret buzz on the deadspot location.

So my guitar is guilty of a dead spot! 

[Rmansh]

try this

[Eivar]

^^^

I'll let the professionals do that for me.  Pass muna ako sa mahirap ireverse na DIY. 

[Eivar]

I tried changing brand of strings, no luck.

I tried clamping a small vise to the headstock, immitating a fat finger, it reduced the dead spot but still lacks sustain like other notes.

Will leave it to luthier for partial refretting of deadspot.

[bryanarzaga]

I tried changing brand of strings, no luck.

I tried clamping a small vise to the headstock, immitating a fat finger, it reduced the dead spot but still lacks sustain like other notes.

Will leave it to luthier for partial refretting of deadspot.

hey man, i think if you go for a refret, its better to do it right the first time, whatever frets you have, buy some jescar (not dunlop), have the slot refilled and re-cut and then glue the frets after its been set-in

i mentioned it to bring it to chino and he'll make it happen

[brandey]

sa acoustic guitar ko napansin yung ganyang problem. Halos lahat ng A notes kulang sa sustain. Nararamdaman ko rin sa kahoy na parang may kumokontra sa pagvibrate ng sound pag A ang note.

[Eivar]

hey man, i think if you go for a refret, its better to do it right the first time, whatever frets you have, buy some jescar (not dunlop), have the slot refilled and re-cut and then glue the frets after its been set-in

i mentioned it to bring it to chino and he'll make it happen

noted, thanks for the suggestion

sa acoustic guitar ko napansin yung ganyang problem. Halos lahat ng A notes kulang sa sustain. Nararamdaman ko rin sa kahoy na parang may kumokontra sa pagvibrate ng sound pag A ang note.

Well, sa acoustic i think i can live with it, pero kasi pag sa electric and naka drive mode ka, and you need to sustain that note, its kinda frustrating that it dies fast. I even cranked my amp's drive to full and my pedal to full gain and volume, still dies fast.

[lykenhowl]

Nangyayari pa rin ba pag tinaasan mo action ng guitar mo?

[jw44]

You might try this.
If you are in standard tuning, tune your guitar half step lower.  Check again where you find dead spots.   

[agent_otso]

string intonation on bridge sir?done?