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a drummer came to me asking assistance... paano daw maging bright ang tunog ng kanyang PLANET Z na cymbals? crash, ride and hi-hats? wag na daw yung splash... orig yun e. suggestions lang mga kapatid.... wag nyo na lang i-suggest bumili ng bago...
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Re: ZYLDJIAN PLANET CYMBALS: BLOW TORCH to make it sound BRIGHT!!!! Comments?
« Reply #1 on: September 11, 2008, 05:37:40 AM »
Na try ko na para maging bright sounding ang planet z.... you must subtract weight
by holes like o zone sabian style...it will sound good for rock music application...medyo oriental na trashy ang dating. short sustain....Now i have 2 rock crash 14 at isang 16 ..compatible na sa Zildjan A custom splash 6 ...zildjan splash
 oriental 9 at Stagg myra splash 10.
eto na lang problem ko, hindi ko ma post pics,HELP pls
« Last Edit: September 11, 2008, 06:02:26 AM by Akira JUMBO »

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« Reply #2 on: September 11, 2008, 05:44:20 AM »
do not clean... number 1 :)
spit and let it dry
add blood
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Re: ZYLDJIAN PLANET CYMBALS: BLOW TORCH to make it sound BRIGHT!!!! Comments?
« Reply #3 on: September 11, 2008, 06:05:32 AM »
@threadstarter
Zildjian is spelled with out a a "Y" bro :wink:

@imagine1150
I agree that subtracting weight will more or less make the cymbal brighter.

Please visit the FAQ section for your image attachment query.

@smutdrummer
do not clean... number 1 :)
spit and let it dry
add blood
bury it
I think the procedures you gave will make the cymbal sound darker and warmer instead of brighter. Cleaner cymbals tend to sound brighter based on my experience.
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Re: ZYLDJIAN PLANET CYMBALS: BLOW TORCH to make it sound BRIGHT!!!! Comments?
« Reply #4 on: September 11, 2008, 08:24:53 AM »
deleted my reply kasi mali pala ung natatandaan ko.. he ehe..

here's a link that might help:

http://everything2.com/e2node/A%2520guide%2520to%2520selecting%2520Cymbals


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« Reply #5 on: September 11, 2008, 08:29:30 AM »
@threadstarter
Zildjian is spelled with out a a "Y" bro :wink:

@imagine1150
I agree that subtracting weight will more or less make the cymbal brighter.

Please visit the FAQ section for your image attachment query.

@smutdrummerI think the procedures you gave will make the cymbal sound darker and warmer instead of brighter. Cleaner cymbals tend to sound brighter based on my experience.

yup darker ang effect nito kasi ang gusto palabasin eh pakapalin yung cymbal. i never cleaned my cymbals and its more defined :).

ciguro kailangan d2 eh lihain ng lihain hehehe para numipis para mas bright.

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« Last Edit: September 11, 2008, 08:41:17 AM by Akira JUMBO »

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Re: ZYLDJIAN PLANET CYMBALS: BLOW TORCH to make it sound BRIGHT!!!! Comments?
« Reply #6 on: September 11, 2008, 09:04:56 AM »
a drummer came to me asking assistance... paano daw maging bright ang tunog ng kanyang PLANET Z na cymbals? crash, ride and hi-hats? wag na daw yung splash... orig yun e. suggestions lang mga kapatid.... wag nyo na lang i-suggest bumili ng bago...

blow torch will make it sound thrashy and dark. kailangan ipa torno (lathe) mo yung cymbal pero kung papano gawin yun e hindi ko alam, basahin mo yung cymbal-making guide sa cymbalholic.com

i suggest pumunta sya sa audiologist (meron sa megamall bldg A 5th floor) tapos palinis sya tenga. tapos pa hearing test na din sya.

napakabright na ng mga planet z, puro zzzzzz (high freq) na nga naririnig ko pag ginamit yun sa recording lalo na yung hihat. kaya siguro mas makakatulong yung audiologist

by the way, im not joking  :-D

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« Reply #7 on: September 11, 2008, 10:10:02 AM »
I agree! I used Planet Z's during the first year of my drumming, and they're REALLY bright. HARSH, even. High-pitched and cutting (cutting from the drum throne. Pag nasa malayo ka na, wala na hahaha) din sya. It's a whole lot of bright noise... without much tone. :lol:

My crash ride made an excellent base for my trash stack though.^_^
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« Reply #8 on: September 11, 2008, 10:28:45 PM »
do not clean... number 1 :)
spit and let it dry
add blood
bury it




kaawa naman yung cymbals.
may nakapg sabi saakin. pwede mong linisin para ma maintain yung sound nun. or may nakita ako na yung planet Z at may mga small holes. nakalimutan ko lang kung kanino eh. =D
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« Reply #9 on: September 12, 2008, 01:50:32 AM »
@threadstarter
Zildjian is spelled with out a a "Y" bro :wink:

@imagine1150
I agree that subtracting weight will more or less make the cymbal brighter.

Please visit the FAQ section for your image attachment query.

@smutdrummerI think the procedures you gave will make the cymbal sound darker and warmer instead of brighter. Cleaner cymbals tend to sound brighter based on my experience.
or is it...
baka psychological lang..
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« Reply #10 on: September 12, 2008, 08:49:49 AM »
overly bright na nga ang planet z e.

tanong lang... bakit umuuso tong planet z improvement? guys, inferior product ang planet z. wala ako paki kung zildjian ang nakatatak diyan, hindi mo maiimprove ang tunog niyan to the point na kapantay na niya ang mga pro-level (kahit pa mga mid-level) na cymbals. sige, saludo ako sa pagsubok niyong pagandahin gear niyo, kaso kailangan natin maging realistic.

ang naiisip ko lang na solusyon sa planet z eh ganito:

1. kung wala ka pang planet z, wag mo nang bilhin. sayang lang oras mo.

2. if for some reason you're stuck with them, sell them and save up for better cymbals. sa mga kung anu anong pinaggagawa niyo sa planet z niyo para "mapaganda" ang tunog, baka masira lang yan at imbis na may cymbal ka na may resale value pa kahit paano, basura na lang ang hawak mo.

3. if you want to experiment, hammer/lathe/cook/stack/bury/etc it to make an interesting effects cymbal. kaso wag mo asahan na mapapatunog aax/a custom (or kahit apx/z custom pa nga) yung ride/crash/hats mo. planet z lang yan e. may hangganan ang kaya niyan.
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« Reply #11 on: September 12, 2008, 09:07:41 AM »
or is it...
baka psychological lang..

agree

kaya nagiging dark ang tunog ng cymbal e hindi dahil sa dumi kundi dahil niluma na ng paggamit at ng panahon. kahit madumi cymbal mo pero hindi mo pinapalo, hindi rin magbabago tunog nun.

pareho lang naman ng hand hammering ang ginagawa nating pagpalo sa cymbal pero kung papaluin mo ng martilyo e pinapabilis mo lang yung proseso (ng pag dark at pag mellow ng tunog ng cymbal)

overly bright na nga ang planet z e.

tanong lang... bakit umuuso tong planet z improvement? guys, inferior product ang planet z. wala ako paki kung zildjian ang nakatatak diyan, hindi mo maiimprove ang tunog niyan to the point na kapantay na niya ang mga pro-level (kahit pa mga mid-level) na cymbals. sige, saludo ako sa pagsubok niyong pagandahin gear niyo, kaso kailangan natin maging realistic.

ang naiisip ko lang na solusyon sa planet z eh ganito:

1. kung wala ka pang planet z, wag mo nang bilhin. sayang lang oras mo.

2. if for some reason you're stuck with them, sell them and save up for better cymbals. sa mga kung anu anong pinaggagawa niyo sa planet z niyo para "mapaganda" ang tunog, baka masira lang yan at imbis na may cymbal ka na may resale value pa kahit paano, basura na lang ang hawak mo.

3. if you want to experiment, hammer/lathe/cook/stack/bury/etc it to make an interesting effects cymbal. kaso wag mo asahan na mapapatunog aax/a custom (or kahit apx/z custom pa nga) yung ride/crash/hats mo. planet z lang yan e. may hangganan ang kaya niyan.

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« Reply #12 on: September 12, 2008, 12:10:50 PM »
may hammering technique para mag dark ang cymbals iba din para maging bright(ayon kay johan)  so hindi sya pareho. dumi,stickmarks,patina etc yes nakaka apekto sa tunog ng cymbals.diba nga kaya pag nilinis mo eh nag iiba tunog? saka mga bro hayaan natin yung tao kung ano gusto nyang gawin sa planet z nya. kung naghahanap pa sya ng mas bright o opinyon nya yun,baket kelangan sabihin na may problema sya sa pandinig o pag iisip? hindi nman nya ata gusto maging tunog high end ah(sa pagkaka basa ko) gusto nya maging bright. sinabi bang gusto maging a custom o aax etc? o baka hibdi ko lang na basa? 

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« Reply #13 on: September 12, 2008, 01:08:14 PM »
saka mga bro hayaan natin yung tao kung ano gusto nyang gawin sa planet z nya. kung naghahanap pa sya ng mas bright o opinyon nya yun,baket kelangan sabihin na may problema sya sa pandinig o pag iisip? hindi nman nya ata gusto maging tunog high end ah(sa pagkaka basa ko) gusto nya maging bright. sinabi bang gusto maging a custom o aax etc? o baka hibdi ko lang na basa? 

well humihingi siya ng comments e. tinutulungan ko rin siya kasi dati eh nasa ganyang posisyon din ako. pinakita ko lang sa kanya ang mga mas maganda niyang magagawa sa cymbals niya.

may mga lazer / planet z din kasi ako dati, at nag experiment din ako sa kanila para pagandahin ang tunog... may mga okay naman kalabasan, kaso in general eh limitado lang ang kaya mong magawa. yung mga maganda kinalabasan, as effects cymbals talaga. nagiba talaga tunog nung cymbal mula sa ano yung dapat niyang tunog. halimbawa, yung 20" lazer ride ko ginawa kong china (hand hammered pa! as in martilyong pangkarpintero pa ang gamit wahahahah) na ASTIG yung tunog (raw trashy attack, NO SUSTAIN!), kaso dahil di ko alam ginagawa ko eh naging marupok siya at kusa ring nasira. yung isa naman e 12" splash na binaliktad ko yung bow (naging parang china splash), na naging china-bell yung tunog. okay siya sa stack kaso otherwise eh masyado siyang maingay.

yung reference naman sa paggawa ng high-end na tunog galing sa planet z eh dun naman sa isa pang planet z improvement thread (cymbal tuning ata yung title)

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« Reply #14 on: September 12, 2008, 01:42:52 PM »
eto mahaba...pero i apologize in advance, opinion ko lang po ito based sa aking experience

there are so many myths about cymbals that i find it very hard to believe what i read. sorry dun sa mga naniniwala na maduming cymbal dark tapos pinunasan lang naging bright ulit pero hindi ko talaga maisip o madaan sa experiment e.

6 months kong di nilinis yung aax studio crash ko, kapal ng alikabok. pinunasan ko sya para kumintab pero bakit pareho pa rin tunog? as in walang pinagkaiba before ko punasan. try it, close your eyes, drop preconceptions and just believe in what you will hear.

my aax crash did not go into any significant physical (hammer, liha, torno) or chemical change (sunugin) at di ko rin sya nagagamit. nakalagay lang sa stand. why would i expect the sound change? kulang sa panahon siguro?

try ko kaya 10 years instead of 6 months? YES magbabago tunog nun. magkakaron ng corrosion e. chemical change. kaya lang di ko alam kung magiging mas dark ba sya o magiging bright.



i dont know anything about hammering and i certainly dont dispute johan's claims (rip) but i always try to modify every cheap cymbal i get by following some ideas from him and mike skiba but none of them made these cymbals sound brighter



from experience (coz i do not know any better) they became darker and thrashier instead. pinakamagandang nangyayari kapag naghand hammer ka e bumubuka yung tunog kahit pa wala kang sundin na pattern. basta bugbugin mo ng martilyo yung cymbal, bubuka yung tunog nya. you'll hear more frequencies from the cymbal than before

eto proof kahit hindi ko alam ang ginagawa ko:


bottomline is: A CYMBAL IS A CYMBAL

hindi sya tulad ng drums na pwede mong ma improve yung tunog (lalo na kung hindi mo alam ang ginagawa mo) na papalitan mo lang head. gusto mo ng bright, bili ka ng bright. if we know what johan knows then it would be nice to mod a cymbal but in order to know what he knows, we need to practice and make mistakes. that process makes it more difficult and expensive than say, buy a new cymbal perhaps?



@ushuaia
the guy, or his drummer friend asked for opinions, hence they got it

my previous comment about the guy needing to go visit an audiologist maybe out of topic and/or out of line but how can any drummer not notice how bright and harsh planet z's are? i was partially joking hence the smiley but i guess you took the comments here too seriously.

in fact, para sa lahat, kung hindi pa kayo nagpunta sa audiologist, i strongly urge you to visit and have a cleaning. it wont help you with your cymbal choices but it will definitely help you understand what you are taking for granted which is your hearing.


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« Reply #15 on: September 12, 2008, 03:21:37 PM »
Before he starts to experiment with his cymbals, he should know how to spell it right first....    :?
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« Reply #16 on: September 12, 2008, 06:20:15 PM »
Pag gamit ko planet Z ko nag susuot ako ng sunglasses kasi sobrang bright na, tapos gusto mo pa gawing mas bright?

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« Reply #17 on: September 12, 2008, 08:05:31 PM »
eto mahaba...pero i apologize in advance, opinion ko lang po ito based sa aking experience

there are so many myths about cymbals that i find it very hard to believe what i read. sorry dun sa mga naniniwala na maduming cymbal dark tapos pinunasan lang naging bright ulit pero hindi ko talaga maisip o madaan sa experiment e.

6 months kong di nilinis yung aax studio crash ko, kapal ng alikabok. pinunasan ko sya para kumintab pero bakit pareho pa rin tunog? as in walang pinagkaiba before ko punasan. try it, close your eyes, drop preconceptions and just believe in what you will hear.

my aax crash did not go into any significant physical (hammer, liha, torno) or chemical change (sunugin) at di ko rin sya nagagamit. nakalagay lang sa stand. why would i expect the sound change? kulang sa panahon siguro?

try ko kaya 10 years instead of 6 months? YES magbabago tunog nun. magkakaron ng corrosion e. chemical change. kaya lang di ko alam kung magiging mas dark ba sya o magiging bright.



i dont know anything about hammering and i certainly dont dispute johan's claims (rip) but i always try to modify every cheap cymbal i get by following some ideas from him and mike skiba but none of them made these cymbals sound brighter



from experience (coz i do not know any better) they became darker and thrashier instead. pinakamagandang nangyayari kapag naghand hammer ka e bumubuka yung tunog kahit pa wala kang sundin na pattern. basta bugbugin mo ng martilyo yung cymbal, bubuka yung tunog nya. you'll hear more frequencies from the cymbal than before

eto proof kahit hindi ko alam ang ginagawa ko:


bottomline is: A CYMBAL IS A CYMBAL

hindi sya tulad ng drums na pwede mong ma improve yung tunog (lalo na kung hindi mo alam ang ginagawa mo) na papalitan mo lang head. gusto mo ng bright, bili ka ng bright. if we know what johan knows then it would be nice to mod a cymbal but in order to know what he knows, we need to practice and make mistakes. that process makes it more difficult and expensive than say, buy a new cymbal perhaps?



@ushuaia
the guy, or his drummer friend asked for opinions, hence they got it

my previous comment about the guy needing to go visit an audiologist maybe out of topic and/or out of line but how can any drummer not notice how bright and harsh planet z's are? i was partially joking hence the smiley but i guess you took the comments here too seriously.

in fact, para sa lahat, kung hindi pa kayo nagpunta sa audiologist, i strongly urge you to visit and have a cleaning. it wont help you with your cymbal choices but it will definitely help you understand what you are taking for granted which is your hearing.


sorry lunch break at wala magawa kundi magtype...
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« Reply #18 on: September 13, 2008, 12:45:14 PM »
yes peeves,but bright for you may not be too bright for him. still hindi (para sakin) tama na sabihing baka may problema sya sa pandinig. kung para sayo walang mali dun its your ipinion bro. second hindi natin narinig yung planet z nya.well malay mo sa ilang milyong panet z na ginawa ng zildjian nag kataong yung kanya e medyo dark compared sa nagamit mo diba? hindi din naten alam. regarding sa maduming cymbals,well bro i dont know what your hearing pero sa experience ko din old cymba,l yung madumi tlaga,stick marks.tuyong finger prints etc(hindi alikabok bro)yung dumikit na sa cymbal, sounds diff. maybe bec na mumufle yung cymbal. hindi ko sigurado kung nakaka muffle ang alikabok,but thats what i heard. and i wont tell you to see a audiologist bec we hav diff opinions 8-)
« Last Edit: September 13, 2008, 12:52:43 PM by ushuaia »

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« Reply #19 on: September 13, 2008, 03:00:58 PM »
different spokes for different folks eh?  :lol:
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« Reply #20 on: September 15, 2008, 08:54:08 AM »
yes peeves,but bright for you may not be too bright for him. still hindi (para sakin) tama na sabihing baka may problema sya sa pandinig. kung para sayo walang mali dun its your ipinion bro. second hindi natin narinig yung planet z nya.well malay mo sa ilang milyong panet z na ginawa ng zildjian nag kataong yung kanya e medyo dark compared sa nagamit mo diba? hindi din naten alam. regarding sa maduming cymbals,well bro i dont know what your hearing pero sa experience ko din old cymba,l yung madumi tlaga,stick marks.tuyong finger prints etc(hindi alikabok bro)yung dumikit na sa cymbal, sounds diff. maybe bec na mumufle yung cymbal. hindi ko sigurado kung nakaka muffle ang alikabok,but thats what i heard. and i wont tell you to see a audiologist bec we hav diff opinions 8-)

yep its all good...


para tuloy gusto ko magkaron ng 16 planet z na crash. masyado kasing choked yung tunog nya (kahit 90's or yung bagong labas ngayon), parang masarap pukpukin para bumuka yung tunog o kaya sabian b8

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« Reply #21 on: September 23, 2008, 12:30:18 PM »
help naman bka may kilala kayo nagbebenta ng ride na planet Z? ung unang labas pa... i'll buy it!! 09222977759 thnks!
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« Reply #22 on: September 24, 2008, 12:03:47 AM »
kawawang planet z

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« Reply #23 on: September 24, 2008, 11:33:29 PM »
kawawang planet z
hehe ewan ko ba kung bat natawa ako dito.
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« Reply #24 on: September 24, 2008, 11:46:12 PM »
Pag gamit ko planet Z ko nag susuot ako ng sunglasses kasi sobrang bright na, tapos gusto mo pa gawing mas bright?

nyeheheh this made my day