USB and Firewire Mixers

[xjepoyx]

I decided to open a topic re: USB and Firewire mixer kasi daming OT na sa ibang thread re: usb and firewire mixers.

cge lahat ng mag inquire ... here it is

[bugoy]

yeah ? anong advantage  ? i used to own a US224 TASCAM i had no problems recording w/ it ? umabot pa nga ako sa isang project ng 22 tracks wala naman ako naging prob ? ewan ko lang cguro dahil di rin naman ako recording guru kaya wala ako napansin ne prob pero it did the job well

[xjepoyx]

I used to own a USB Mixer, Alesis Multimix 8 USB that was packaged with the Podcasting Kit of Alesis. I decided to go firewire for lesser latency coz firewire is way faster than USB in transfer rate.

[KitC]

Usb usually has high cpu utilization. USB 1.1 is usually works best in 2-channel in and out for glitch-free operation; if you exceed that, crackling is often the result although there are exceptions. USB 2 is supposedly faster than firewire 400 but the high cpu loading is a major factor. There are usb 2 interfaces that work without a hitch but I user reviews are a bit rare (maybe because no one is complaining?).

Firewire and usb 2 have similar throughput speeds but firewire puts less load on the cpu. This makes it ideal to gang up several FW interfaces on the same FW port.

[abyssinianson]

I currently use the Mackie Universal control on my PC rig and the Control 24 for my PT setup. Having a control surface is really nice especially if you are like me who learned to mix using an old school analog style mixer with tons of knobs and faders. Mixing with a hardware controller is nice because it gives you a reference point to the sound in your sequencer which is hard to get when you are adusting levels with a mouse. I like the Mackie Universal (it gets the job done nicely) but I really do wish some of the stuff on it was more rugged and heavier feeling like the Control 24 which just feels like a rock all over. The 24 is heavy and I like that when I mix with heavy faders since I can ride the faders with a lighter hand than I would with something that has little weight to it.

[Phil]

hmmmm...so this is a good buy then?

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Tascam-FW1082-10-Channel-FireWire-Audio-MIDI-Interface?sku=706931

[abyssinianson]

looks nice - has pres, control surface option, a jog wheel (oh I love jog wheels), separate monitor outs from the TRS jacks - I like it. Tascam has good support and workmanship in their products too so I imagine this will last a long time. Anyone have any experience with this item?

[xjepoyx]

hmmmm...so this is a good buy then?

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Tascam-FW1082-10-Channel-FireWire-Audio-MIDI-Interface?sku=706931

YES! thats what i really want. Kapos lang sa budget ako hehe

[Phil]

hmmmm...so this is a good buy then?

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Tascam-FW1082-10-Channel-FireWire-Audio-MIDI-Interface?sku=706931

YES! thats what i really want. Kapos lang sa budget ako hehe

olrayts!!!...so thats my next purchase.

[Phil]

... a lot of guys over at Cakewalk forums say this is really good.

http://www.americanmusical.com/item--i-RME-FIREFACE.html#

what do you guys think?

[xjepoyx]

kung ako tatanungin ill go for the tascam pa rin kasi may midi kumbaga nandun na lahat ng kailangan mo

FWIW


PEACE!

[Phil]

kung ako tatanungin ill go for the tascam pa rin kasi may midi kumbaga nandun na lahat ng kailangan mo

FWIW


PEACE!

cheaper pa pre, no?

[xjepoyx]

yup!

[guitarer7]

I used to own a USB Mixer, Alesis Multimix 8 USB that was packaged with the Podcasting Kit of Alesis. I decided to go firewire for lesser latency coz firewire is way faster than USB in transfer rate.

Sir,

May tanong lang ako tungkol sa Alesis Multimix Firewire, nung binasa ko yung features nya may nakalagay na "Record each mixer channel, plus the main stereo mix".  Tama ba intindi ko? lahat ng channels eh ma-irerecord ko all at the same time?, and would appear sa recording software ko as separate tracks?

Nagtanong ako sa local distributor ng Alesis, wala pa daw sila nito..
meron akong nakita na Alesis Multimix 16 Firewire sa 5th Ave, kaya lang nung tinanong ko kung may 8 or 12 channels sila wala pa daw,
Sir may alam ka ba kung saan meron nung 8 or 12 channels lang?, saan nyo po nabili yung sa inyo? Thanks

[xjepoyx]

I used to own a USB Mixer, Alesis Multimix 8 USB that was packaged with the Podcasting Kit of Alesis. I decided to go firewire for lesser latency coz firewire is way faster than USB in transfer rate.

Sir,

May tanong lang ako tungkol sa Alesis Multimix Firewire, nung binasa ko yung features nya may nakalagay na "Record each mixer channel, plus the main stereo mix".  Tama ba intindi ko? lahat ng channels eh ma-irerecord ko all at the same time?, and would appear sa recording software ko as separate tracks?

Yes you can record all tracks at the same time individually on seperate tracks on your software. kung 12 mics gamit mo for a drum track pede mo iassign per bus sa software mo lahat ng inputs individually. bale controlado mo lahat ng tracks mo individually during mixing na.

Nagtanong ako sa local distributor ng Alesis, wala pa daw sila nito..
meron akong nakita na Alesis Multimix 16 Firewire sa 5th Ave, kaya lang nung tinanong ko kung may 8 or 12 channels sila wala pa daw,
Sir may alam ka ba kung saan meron nung 8 or 12 channels lang?

its funny ... kasi ang local distro dito eh ang avesco at sila ang supplier ng 5th ave. ive seen the 8 and 12 sa 5th ave sa sm north recently lang.

local price yata nila for a 8fw is 33k.

saan nyo po nabili yung sa inyo? Thanks

i got both of my 16 and 8mmx fw sa US pa and its way cheaper hhehehe

if you want to get a cheap alesis visit http://talk.philmusic.com/board/index.php?topic=34395.0


PEACE!

[guitarer7]

I used to own a USB Mixer, Alesis Multimix 8 USB that was packaged with the Podcasting Kit of Alesis. I decided to go firewire for lesser latency coz firewire is way faster than USB in transfer rate.

Sir,

May tanong lang ako tungkol sa Alesis Multimix Firewire, nung binasa ko yung features nya may nakalagay na "Record each mixer channel, plus the main stereo mix".  Tama ba intindi ko? lahat ng channels eh ma-irerecord ko all at the same time?, and would appear sa recording software ko as separate tracks?

Yes you can record all tracks at the same time individually on seperate tracks on your software. kung 12 mics gamit mo for a drum track pede mo iassign per bus sa software mo lahat ng inputs individually. bale controlado mo lahat ng tracks mo individually during mixing na.

Nagtanong ako sa local distributor ng Alesis, wala pa daw sila nito..
meron akong nakita na Alesis Multimix 16 Firewire sa 5th Ave, kaya lang nung tinanong ko kung may 8 or 12 channels sila wala pa daw,
Sir may alam ka ba kung saan meron nung 8 or 12 channels lang?

its funny ... kasi ang local distro dito eh ang avesco at sila ang supplier ng 5th ave. ive seen the 8 and 12 sa 5th ave sa sm north recently lang.

local price yata nila for a 8fw is 33k.

saan nyo po nabili yung sa inyo? Thanks

i got both of my 16 and 8mmx fw sa US pa and its way cheaper hhehehe

if you want to get a cheap alesis visit http://talk.philmusic.com/board/index.php?topic=34395.0


PEACE!

Sir, salamat ng marami...

[bindoy]

peace to all sir jepoy!ang ganda thread na to...start nyo...dami tutunan just by reading posts....

[TheHunter]

Hey! I using Phonic Helixboard 12FW (firewire) and I'm happy with it. Very low latency up to 0.5 ms but I normally use 4ms during tracking.

BTW someone might be interested with this new model of Alesis iO/26, 8 mic pre + MIDI + ADAT looks amazing versus price.

[xjepoyx]

Hey! I using Phonic Helixboard 12FW (firewire) and I'm happy with it. Very low latency up to 0.5 ms but I normally use 4ms during tracking.

BTW someone might be interested with this new model of Alesis iO/26, 8 mic pre + MIDI + ADAT looks amazing versus price.

now thats what im talkin about!

[KitC]

Hey! I using Phonic Helixboard 12FW (firewire) and I'm happy with it. Very low latency up to 0.5 ms but I normally use 4ms during tracking.

Hunter,

That's a very low latency figure; even lower than the RME's Fireface800's 1.5 ms. What DAW and pc specs are you using?

[TheHunter]

Hunter,

That's a very low latency figure; even lower than the RME's Fireface800's 1.5 ms. What DAW and pc specs are you using?

Desktop:
IBM, 1.6 P4, 256 RAM
Cubase LE

Notebook:
Sony, 1.7 Athlon, 512 RAM
Adobe Audition

I did tried tracking (1 track) at 0.5ms in my Sony notebook and I've got one or two click in my recording. After playing around with latency I normally now used 3~4 ms which is OK even up to 4 tracks. I think if I have 1G of RAM or more I can use 0.5ms without pop or click.

[xjepoyx]

Hunter,

That's a very low latency figure; even lower than the RME's Fireface800's 1.5 ms. What DAW and pc specs are you using?

Desktop:
IBM, 1.6 P4, 256 RAM
Cubase LE

Notebook:
Sony, 1.7 Athlon, 512 RAM
Adobe Audition

I did tried tracking (1 track) at 0.5ms in my Sony notebook and I've got one or two click in my recording. After playing around with latency I normally now used 3~4 ms which is OK even up to 4 tracks. I think if I have 1G of RAM or more I can use 0.5ms without pop or click.

i got 2GB of ram but im not able to get that 0.5ms latency. My normal latency is 5ms

[KitC]

I can do 2 ms on the EMu but that's pushing it. Normal latency is 4 or 5 ms during tracking. Anong gamit mong soft sa phonic, Hunter? Sonar or Cubase? FYI, Cubase has a better indicator of latency than most soft pero there is a way to actually measure it. I think sa Sound on Sound yung latency test dati.

[bindoy]

peace sir hunter, ang tindi ng baba ng latency nyo po ah..parang lam ko 2ms lang, mababa na yun...sir, kamusta naman po ung sound?ok naman po?ngatz.gbu

[TheHunter]

I can do 2 ms on the EMu but that's pushing it. Normal latency is 4 or 5 ms during tracking. Anong gamit mong soft sa phonic, Hunter? Sonar or Cubase? FYI, Cubase has a better indicator of latency than most soft pero there is a way to actually measure it. I think sa Sound on Sound yung latency test dati.

I use Adobe Audition 2.0

btw I've got a few of clicks before I reinstall my windows so I decided to fresh install since my notebook comes with XP Home and upgrade to XP Pro SP2 coz I don't want to loose my softwares installed. After checking with Microsoft, I fresh install my XP Pro SP2 and install no other software except Office (sorry  ) and Audition, turn the windows setting to classics, no effects, no icons at desktop, no wallpaper, used autoruns to disable running unnecessary windows components.

By default the Phonic driver set to 3ms and I have no problem of using it. I increase this setting to 4ms if I tracking 2 or more tracks.

Nice to measure the latency using third party software... any link?