Author Topic: Mixing a live band concert (Read 2998 times)

Xelly · « **on:** July 18, 2011, 11:57:41 PM »

Eto ang nilalaman ng banda mga sir:
A. Drums tracks: 1. Snare, 2. Kick, 3. Tom, 4. Overhead
B. Bass
C. 2 tracks E. guitars
D. 2 tracks Acoustic guitar
E. Synthesizer
F. 2 tracks ng choir
G. 7 tracks for main vocals

1st concern ko is bleed sa drums. How can I deal with it? Iniisip ko lagyan ko muna ng Noisegate then compressor the EQ. Pero kayo mga sir ano ginagawa ninyo sa bleeding ng drums?
2nd concern ko is yung dynamics ng guitars. Sa 1st part ng concert super lakas nung dalawang guitarista kaya super lakas din ng recorded audio nila then sa gitna humina na sila na as in ang hina naman. Iniisip ko matinding compression eh.

Sa ngayon yun palang mga concern ko mga sir. Hingi sana ako ng tulong ninyo. Thanks in advcance.

sl1200ltd · « **Reply #1 on:** July 19, 2011, 01:44:33 AM »

Hi, what type and models ng mga drum mics mo?, suggestion is before gating any drum mics please check proper positioning of drum mics, baka rin sa choir and vocal mics nanggagaling yung bleed kapag maraming open vocal mics pumapasok din tunog ng drums. Then kung malakas pa rin bleed then gate those snare mic and condensers.

nolit · « **Reply #2 on:** July 19, 2011, 08:17:33 AM »

Try considering a panels to cage the drum set. Even bars do this. Minimizes the bleeds of drums to other instruments especially to the vocals.

Sa pagkakwento mo tungkol sa guitars, I think its a problem of the guitarist. Baka talga hininaan nila ung volume nila sa amp so if your guitars are miked then apektado talaga un sa mix. I suggest to use a DI nalang. Para kahit ano gawin nila sa amp nila, ayos lang sa mix mo. But of course miked guitar amps are better than DI. In this case paluin mo sa ulo ang gitarista para mag tanda.

Xelly · « **Reply #3 on:** July 19, 2011, 12:25:32 PM »

Salamat sa inputs mga sir!! More inputs pa!!

Para pala sa info nyo mga sir, raw files na yung binigay sa akin. Tapos na yung concert eh. Ang trabaho ko ngayon is mamix itong files na ito.

mikep · « **Reply #4 on:** July 19, 2011, 05:11:14 PM »

Don't worry about the drum bleeds. Bleeds are part of live music. Concentrate on how the instruments and the vocals sound. Then balance well. Put down the drum tracks if that bothers you. Sometimes you can mute the snare and toms and just let the kick and the overhead mics do the job. As for the guitars, balance them and automate them so that at the portion where they are too low in volume, they go higher in gain. Concentrate on the musicality, balance and feel. Being a live recording, there really would be a lot of bleeds and faults and all. If you are still bothered by the guitar volumes, punch them out and replace them. Putting the new tracks together in the mix will not really be that noticeable. Use your creativity - add reverb, delays, etc, record in the same room you had your live recording, others. Lots of things that can be done. Good luck in your project.

Xelly · « **Reply #5 on:** July 20, 2011, 06:47:38 AM »

^^ Uy maraming salamat sir Mike!!! Malaking tulong ito!!! Sir pwede paPM ng email ninyotry ko maemail kayo ng sample ng project ko hingi sana ako ng comments and suggestions ninyo.

alien_inside · « **Reply #6 on:** July 20, 2011, 06:56:25 AM »

+10000 on this: Bleeds are part of live music.

alien_inside · « **Reply #7 on:** July 20, 2011, 07:07:46 AM »

On your track EQs, make sure they are not conflicting frequencies.

Xelly · « **Reply #8 on:** July 20, 2011, 07:15:14 AM »

Quote from: alien_inside on July 20, 2011, 07:07:46 AM

On your track EQs, make sure they are not conflicting frequencies.

Yes sir noted!!!

nolit · « **Reply #9 on:** July 20, 2011, 10:25:17 AM »

Quote from: alien_inside on July 20, 2011, 06:56:25 AM

+10000 on this: Bleeds are part of live music.

Parang puso yan.. you need to bleed to be in love. hehehehe. ?Emo?

marbinism · « **Reply #10 on:** July 20, 2011, 12:04:30 PM »

+100 informative

Xelly · « **Reply #11 on:** July 20, 2011, 12:21:47 PM »

Quote from: nolit on July 20, 2011, 10:25:17 AM

Parang puso yan.. you need to bleed to be in love. hehehehe. ?Emo?

Yes bro mahal ko na ngayon ang bleeds!!!

2nd time ko lang kasi magmix ng live recording eh. Usually studio recording ako.

mikep · « **Reply #12 on:** July 20, 2011, 03:50:56 PM »

You can reach me through this site by PM or tracksacoustics@gmail.com. Thanks.

alien_inside · « **Reply #13 on:** July 20, 2011, 07:42:41 PM »

The more processors you have, the more problem you get. start pre-mixing 2 or 3 hours before the concert proper. dont mix while concert is going on. bypass all compressor-limiters and EQs. try mixing first with the board alone and on your headphones, floor monitors only ( if instruments are also sent there - usually naman eh ) FOH off... if not, dont mix with FOH at very loud sound yet. concentrate what you hear on headphones. if you got the mixing right at ow levels and headphones, boost up your FOH and start taming freqs with your EQs, and get some punch and kicks with your COMP-LIMs.

MIXNG goes from song to song during the concert. you must also have a list of the line up songs, so you know what's next to mix ( ex: add some LFs to the vocals when a slow music is up next. )

alien_inside · « **Reply #14 on:** July 21, 2011, 02:50:19 AM »

It is faster that you be able to adopt your ears for mixing a live concert. kasi nga sanay ka na sa studio mix. you already know the settings.

ang mahirap, yung taga-live scene ka, then suddenly, may tatawag sa'yo, and says... "pihit ka nga muna sa studio ko". . .

studio to live is easier than live to studio...

please correct me if i am wrong.

Xelly · « **Reply #15 on:** July 21, 2011, 03:04:24 PM »

^^ Mukhang tama naman kayo sir. Salamat sa points ninyo!!
Clarify ko nalang rin mga sir. Yung situation ko is narecord na yung concert. Tapos binigay nalang sa akin yung raw wav files(19 wav files) tapos imimix ko para marelease siya as live concert album. Yun ang challenge ko ngayon mga sir. Post nalang kayo ng tips and tricks ninyo or best practices!! Maraming salamat!!

nolit · « **Reply #16 on:** July 21, 2011, 04:06:30 PM »

Mukhang matinding editing ang kailangan mo gawin. Audio restorations, recording moving faders, etc....

alien_inside · « **Reply #17 on:** July 21, 2011, 09:19:06 PM »

Quote from: Xelly on July 21, 2011, 03:04:24 PM

^^ Mukhang tama naman kayo sir. Salamat sa points ninyo!!
Clarify ko nalang rin mga sir. Yung situation ko is narecord na yung concert. Tapos binigay nalang sa akin yung raw wav files(19 wav files) tapos imimix ko para marelease siya as live concert album. Yun ang challenge ko ngayon mga sir. Post nalang kayo ng tips and tricks ninyo or best practices!! Maraming salamat!!

this is a little bit hard... but not that hard. do you mean 19 wav files per song? or a re you going to mix just ONE song?

Xelly · « **Reply #18 on:** July 22, 2011, 05:54:57 PM »

Quote from: alien_inside on July 21, 2011, 09:19:06 PM

this is a little bit hard... but not that hard. do you mean 19 wav files per song? or a re you going to mix just ONE song?

Bale 19 tracks(4 tracks sa drums, 6 sa instruments, 7 sa vocals tapos 2 sa choir) sir so isang track is isang wav file. Tapos yung buong concert is 15 songs. Imimix ko sir yung buong concert. Ang technique na ginagawa ko ngayon na helpful is automate everything!!! Pero sobrang madugo!!!

alien_inside · « **Reply #19 on:** July 22, 2011, 11:37:46 PM »

Magkano bayad per song? tulungan kita gusto mo??? hehe...

nolit · « **Reply #20 on:** July 23, 2011, 06:47:30 AM »

allen nandito ka ba ngayon sa pinas?

alien_inside · « **Reply #21 on:** July 23, 2011, 07:27:11 AM »

OT: Nolit, next week pa siguro... 10 days lang ako, then balik ulit.

@Xelly: sa Nuendo ako nag-mi-mix....mas warm ang tunog nya eh... match na match sa NS10...

Xelly · « **Reply #22 on:** July 23, 2011, 08:05:15 AM »

Quote from: alien_inside on July 22, 2011, 11:37:46 PM

Magkano bayad per song? tulungan kita gusto mo??? hehe...

PM sent

MYN11 · « **Reply #23 on:** July 24, 2011, 10:58:57 PM »

Hi bro. Musta na?

First, kung 15 songs yung imimix mo, try to separate each song para per song ka magmix (that is kung straight 2 hrs plus files yung binigay sa yo).

Definitely automation is your friend here

. Pag live tracks talaga paiba-iba ng volume.

Mix mo muna yung instruments. Pag solid na yung sound sa yo saka mo buksan yung vocals. Then vice versa, try to mute the instruments then mix mo din vocals (andami niyan so definitely di puedeng same levels lahat).

Eto optional lang. Make those live audience claps cleaner by inserting some samples na di galing sa mismong concert niyo

. Yes daya yun pero minsan annoying yung mismong recorded audience claps/noises right?

. Pero kung malinis naman yung materials ng mismong concert, by all means mix it and use it

Sa mastering (I'm using CD Architect), wag kang maglagay ng 2 secs in between songs para isang straight live concert pa din ang tunog/dating ng final cd master mo.

Xelly · « **Reply #24 on:** July 25, 2011, 08:24:34 AM »

Quote from: MYN11 on July 24, 2011, 10:58:57 PM

Hi bro. Musta na?

First, kung 15 songs yung imimix mo, try to separate each song para per song ka magmix (that is kung straight 2 hrs plus files yung binigay sa yo).

Definitely automation is your friend here . Pag live tracks talaga paiba-iba ng volume.

Mix mo muna yung instruments. Pag solid na yung sound sa yo saka mo buksan yung vocals. Then vice versa, try to mute the instruments then mix mo din vocals (andami niyan so definitely di puedeng same levels lahat).

Eto optional lang. Make those live audience claps cleaner by inserting some samples na di galing sa mismong concert niyo . Yes daya yun pero minsan annoying yung mismong recorded audience claps/noises right? . Pero kung malinis naman yung materials ng mismong concert, by all means mix it and use it

Sa mastering (I'm using CD Architect), wag kang maglagay ng 2 secs in between songs para isang straight live concert pa din ang tunog/dating ng final cd master mo.

Noted ito sir Rey!!! Isang malaking tulong!!! Maraming salamat!!!

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