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Re: Pro Guitar Luthier Bad Experiences
« Reply #25 on: May 06, 2013, 03:59:00 PM »
Bro no offense pero walang silbi yung payo mo kung hindi namin malalaman kung sinong luthier ito.

Why not post your concern sa thread nitong pro luthier, almost all the pro luthier already have a thread here sa philmusic. And post some pics para makarelate kame.

+1. balewala kung blind item dito.
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« Reply #26 on: May 06, 2013, 03:59:00 PM »
so si mang max nga?
try mo kayang kalabitin baka tumunog...

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« Reply #27 on: May 06, 2013, 04:00:59 PM »
post pics.

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« Reply #28 on: May 06, 2013, 04:07:06 PM »
my experience with a pro luthier.. repaint din..

http://talk.philmusic.com/index.php?topic=56756.msg3052076#msg3052076

recently ini-strip ko yung paint dahil alon alon yung top.. to my dismay, parang tinanggal lang yung body at binugahan ng pintura.. parang hndi man lang sinand para ma kuminis, nasa ilalim pa din yung orig paint.. buong buo pa! sama mo na yung neck pocket, cavities, at kung ano ano pang nasa body. lahat may pintura. he offered me a backjob though, pero hindi ko na pinatos. lesson learned, kung kaya mo gawin, wag mo na ipagawa sa iba. para wala ka ng sisihin pa.  :-)

di pala ako ang una... at di parin sya natuto... marami na palang reklamo sa kanya bakit wala syang ginagawa about it...

TS, I saw one of your posts there (the link provided).  ^-^
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« Reply #29 on: May 06, 2013, 04:11:14 PM »
OT - ang pangit na ng quote function. sakit sa mata niyan pag sobrang haba na.  :lol:
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« Reply #30 on: May 06, 2013, 04:13:38 PM »
OT - ang pangit na ng quote function. sakit sa mata niyan pag sobrang haba na.  :lol:

Old school quoting. Pwede mo naman tanggalin yung ibang quoted post. :-)
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« Reply #31 on: May 06, 2013, 04:24:09 PM »
I was once a customer of Mr. Rufo, that was back in 2009 when I requested for a repaint.  He told me it will only take him about two weeks but it actually took him three months and the repaint was really bad.  Plus I actually got pissed with his son, his son was in college back then and whenever I try to call Mr. Rufo during those times, his son kept on telling me that his father was "busy" doing his project for his theory.  I mean, WTF dude, can't you finish your own thesis/project? It will be for your own good anyway.

Wala lang nakwento ko lang, sobrang badtrip ako sa anak nya pati sa bagal at pangit ng trabaho nya, simula non eh kay micsis na ko.
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« Reply #32 on: May 06, 2013, 04:31:49 PM »
Waiting for the reveal.

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« Reply #33 on: May 06, 2013, 04:42:24 PM »
Plus I actually got pissed with his son, his son was in college back then and whenever I try to call Mr. Rufo during those times, his son kept on telling me that his father was "busy" doing his project for his theory.  I mean, WTF dude, can't you finish your own thesis/project? It will be for your own good anyway.

WTF indeed!
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« Reply #34 on: May 06, 2013, 04:43:06 PM »
kung ako sa inyo dun na lang kayo sa ibang luthier... mahirap kausap ito eh... kilala nyo ba kung sino ito?

Bro no offense pero walang silbi yung payo mo kung hindi namin malalaman kung sinong luthier ito.

Why not post your concern sa thread nitong pro luthier, almost all the pro luthier already have a thread here sa philmusic. And post some pics para makarelate kame.

http://talk.philmusic.com/index.php?topic=56756.new#new

Bro si mang max pala yun

Regarding sa long waiting at hindi masyadong polido mukhang si mang max nga. Nagpagawa din ako dati kay mang max sobra tagal, hinde ganun kaperfect yung paint job pero for me it worth the price i paid. Btw how much ba sir yung binayad mo? If mahal binayad then its your bragging rights to complain and advise all of us to go somewhere else. But if he only asked a cheap amount for the job then think again before posting.

Regarding sa mga pinalitang parts mukhang hinde gagawin ni mang max yun, by accident siguro hehe magulo lang talaga shop ni mang max hehe


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« Reply #35 on: May 06, 2013, 04:51:51 PM »
a ganun ba yun sir pag mura lang pwede ng pangit ang gawa? diba pangalan din nya ang pumapangit? sir kahit libre pa yan kung may value ka sa taong nagpagawa sayo gagandahan mo ang gawa mo, dapat tama. - think again before posting.

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« Reply #36 on: May 06, 2013, 04:59:05 PM »
There was a time na galing ako sa isang luthier. Sinubukan ko lang, 1stym. Di kopa nasubukan magpaluthier. After 7yrs of storage of my Ibanez artcore hindi ko alam kung may problemana ba sya or may mga parts na kailangan ngpalitan, takot pa ako nuon gumalaw ng gitara because of lack of knowledge bout it. Kaya ang sabi ko papa proper set up ko lang, intonation, change of strings etc.

So i was there on the luthiers place, ang sabi sakin my guitar was in perfect shape nothing to worry strings lang daw kailangang palitan, then sabi nya ibibgay nya nalang daw ng free yung intonation strings na lang babayaran ko sila na raw magkakabit. So tuwang tuwa ako sabi ko jackpot ako sa luthier na 'to kasi grabe magbigay ng consideration. So there it is, my guitar has its new strings then sabi nya gagalawin nya lang daw intonation, nagulat ako nagpaalam pa sya, umoo naman ako. Then try na sa mga amp. Pagdating sa bayaran. . .

Naglabas ako ng pambayad sa strings,to my surprise biglang may extra charge na 400. - FOR BASIC SET UP DAW!?

Ang sabi nya free na raw. BIGLANG NAGBAGO ISIP??? pwedeba yun?
Mula nun hindi nako bumalik sa kanya at hindi na nagpunta sa kahit kaninong luthier.
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« Reply #37 on: May 06, 2013, 05:02:41 PM »
I was once a customer of Mr. Rufo, that was back in 2009 when I requested for a repaint.  He told me it will only take him about two weeks but it actually took him three months and the repaint was really bad.  Plus I actually got pissed with his son, his son was in college back then and whenever I try to call Mr. Rufo during those times, his son kept on telling me that his father was "busy" doing his project for his theory.  I mean, WTF dude, can't you finish your own thesis/project? It will be for your own good anyway.

Wala lang nakwento ko lang, sobrang badtrip ako sa anak nya pati sa bagal at pangit ng trabaho nya, simula non eh kay micsis na ko.

he texted me last night ang sabi nya iintayin nya daw ako sa shop nya, paguusapan daw yung sa bridge saddles at sa paint job nya once and for all, at wag daw akong magsabi ng bad things sa good reputation nya, iintayin nya daw ako bukas... as if parang naghahamon sya ng suntukan... ganun ang text nya sakin...

ang alam ko medyo may issue yun gawa nya specially sa paint job, you should have consulted forumers here first bago ka sana nagpunta duon, cant blame you though, ang mura kasi ng singil nya. may thread din sya dito and yun iba nagpost na ng concern, same paintjob problem. Thanks to Philmusic! And he sent you a text, what made you feel na "naghahamon sya ng suntukan"? ganun ba talaga si mang max in person? alam ko mabait na na tao yan
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Re: Pro Guitar Luthier Bad Experiences
« Reply #38 on: May 06, 2013, 05:03:41 PM »
Meron din akong experience i-share ko lang.

months ago nagdala ako sa kanya ng tele para i-refret, bow ang neck ng tele ko kasi hindi ko pa ina-adjust thinking na total ipaparefret ko maaayos din iyon. so eto na ang story.

pumunta ako sa shop niya para kunin na ang guitar. naayos na ang lahat so kulang nalang ng polishing ng neck.

so testing muna at na appreciate din niya (lutheir) na despite sa age ng tele ko straight pa din ang neck, maganda pa ang tuners at maganda ang tunog. then ibinigay na niya sa katulong niya ang guitar para pakintabin ang neck. nasa loob ako noon at sa labas nila ginagawa iyon.

then naghanap yung katulong niya ng screw driver, akala ko may hihigpitan lang na screw, then all of a sudden niluwagan ang truss rod ng guitar. S**T! sabi ko sa sarili ko, ganun b talaga kung refret lang binayaran mo ibabalik sa dating kondisyon ang neck ng guitar mo?? hindi ko na pinansin iyon baka utos sa kanila ng amo nila.  :)

then after 2 weeks, umangat ang gilid ng frets at kailangan ulit ng dressing.

hindi ko na ibinalik sa kanya ang guitar dahil sa inis ko, ako nalang ang gumawa ng fret dressing at truss rod adjustment.

ngayon happy ako sa guitar ko hehehe  :)

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Re: Pro Guitar Luthier Bad Experiences
« Reply #39 on: May 06, 2013, 05:06:12 PM »
@PhosHilaron

very good point.  any job regardless of amount of money involved, expected na yun from customers na maayos ang gawa.  sana hindi niya nalang tinanggap kung hindi niya kayang gawin ng maayos o ang kalalabasan lang ang ganun.  sana mabasa niya to. 

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Re: Pro Guitar Luthier Bad Experiences
« Reply #40 on: May 06, 2013, 05:12:21 PM »
I was once a customer of Mr. Rufo, that was back in 2009 when I requested for a repaint.  He told me it will only take him about two weeks but it actually took him three months and the repaint was really bad.  Plus I actually got pissed with his son, his son was in college back then and whenever I try to call Mr. Rufo during those times, his son kept on telling me that his father was "busy" doing his project for his theory.  I mean, WTF dude, can't you finish your own thesis/project? It will be for your own good anyway.

Wala lang nakwento ko lang, sobrang badtrip ako sa anak nya pati sa bagal at pangit ng trabaho nya, simula non eh kay micsis na ko.

he texted me last night ang sabi nya iintayin nya daw ako sa shop nya, paguusapan daw yung sa bridge saddles at sa paint job nya once and for all, at wag daw akong magsabi ng bad things sa good reputation nya, iintayin nya daw ako bukas... as if parang naghahamon sya ng suntukan... ganun ang text nya sakin...

No.... gusto niya lang i-correct ang bad job. sana hindi mo muna kinuha ang guitar mo hanggang sa hindi maayos ang pagka paint.
maayos din kausap si mang max.

nagpa repaint na din ako dati, tumagal din dahil sa hindi magandang panahon.

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« Reply #41 on: May 06, 2013, 05:19:27 PM »
san ka ba nanggagaling at nakailang balik ka na ba? akala ko 2 years ago pa yang repaint job na yan

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« Reply #42 on: May 06, 2013, 05:19:48 PM »
a ganun ba yun sir pag mura lang pwede ng pangit ang gawa? diba pangalan din nya ang pumapangit? sir kahit libre pa yan kung may value ka sa taong nagpagawa sayo gagandahan mo ang gawa mo, dapat tama. - think again before posting.


ok lang pala na mababa ang kalidad ng gawa ng pinoy kasi mura lang ang bayad? ganya ba talaga prinsipyo natin? ingatan natin ang pangalan natin, mura o mahal o kahit libre pa. wag sanang madiktahan ng pera ang kalidad ng gawang pinoy.

maybe this is just all about managing your expectations.

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« Reply #43 on: May 06, 2013, 05:24:33 PM »
san ka ba nanggagaling at nakailang balik ka na ba? akala ko 2 years ago pa yang repaint job na yan

Parang 'yun nga din alam ko e. 'Di makaget-over? Patuloy na paninira?
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« Reply #44 on: May 06, 2013, 05:49:27 PM »

ang alam ko medyo may issue yun gawa nya specially sa paint job, you should have consulted forumers here first bago ka sana nagpunta duon, cant blame you though, ang mura kasi ng singil nya. may thread din sya dito and yun iba nagpost na ng concern, same paintjob problem. Thanks to Philmusic! And he sent you a text, what made you feel na "naghahamon sya ng suntukan"? ganun ba talaga si mang max in person? alam ko mabait na na tao yan

nung binasa ng wife ko yung text message ang sabi nya di nya akalain na magtetest si mang max ng ganun... as if parang naghahamon, parang pumunta ka dito sa shop ko para mapag usapan natin lahat once and for all, iintayin kita dito sa shop ko, bukas magpunta ka, parang sya pa ang galit.

Mahirap maginterpret ng text message. Bakit 'di mo tawagan para malinaw? Malakas ang loob mo mag-labas ng loob dito, dapat may lakas ka din ng loob harapin at tawagan siya.
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« Reply #45 on: May 06, 2013, 05:50:15 PM »
I think, pagusapan ninyo ng mabuti yung hassle..kung kailangang ulitin ni Max Rufo yung buong paint job..gawin na niya..kailangan niyang palitan yung bridge..palitan na..

Im pretty sure di naman siya magiiwan ng UNSATISFIED customer ..pagusapan nalang ng maayos..

tapos patulong nalang tayo sa mga forumers na malapit at madalas kay Mang Max na tutukan yung back job para wala ng pabalik balik.
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« Reply #46 on: May 06, 2013, 05:51:52 PM »

ang alam ko medyo may issue yun gawa nya specially sa paint job, you should have consulted forumers here first bago ka sana nagpunta duon, cant blame you though, ang mura kasi ng singil nya. may thread din sya dito and yun iba nagpost na ng concern, same paintjob problem. Thanks to Philmusic! And he sent you a text, what made you feel na "naghahamon sya ng suntukan"? ganun ba talaga si mang max in person? alam ko mabait na na tao yan

nung binasa ng wife ko yung text message ang sabi nya di nya akalain na magtetest si mang max ng ganun... as if parang naghahamon, parang pumunta ka dito sa shop ko para mapag usapan natin lahat once and for all, iintayin kita dito sa shop ko, bukas magpunta ka, parang sya pa ang galit.

Mahirap maginterpret ng text message. Bakit 'di mo tawagan para malinaw? Malakas ang loob mo mag-labas ng loob dito, dapat may lakas ka din ng loob harapin at tawagan siya.

mismo..mahirap maginterpret ng text message..

kailangan pagusapan...mas maganda kakalabasan ng back job pag open yung communication
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« Reply #47 on: May 06, 2013, 05:54:59 PM »
I had my share of bad experiences with a pro guitar luthier, thanks to everyone who understand my piont. God bless us all!

"You will never change what you tolerate.” ― Joel Osteen

May God bless you, indeed.
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« Reply #48 on: May 06, 2013, 06:22:19 PM »
a ganun ba yun sir pag mura lang pwede ng pangit ang gawa? diba pangalan din nya ang pumapangit? sir kahit libre pa yan kung may value ka sa taong nagpagawa sayo gagandahan mo ang gawa mo, dapat tama. - think again before posting.

ok lang pala na mababa ang kalidad ng gawa ng pinoy kasi mura lang ang bayad? ganya ba talaga prinsipyo natin? ingatan natin ang pangalan natin, mura o mahal o kahit libre pa. wag sanang madiktahan ng pera ang kalidad ng gawang pinoy.

Factor mo rin yung reason kung bakit mura ang singil niya. Ano ba ang painting equipment na gamit niya?

Baka yung ibang luthiers, kaya nakakapag demand ng mas mataas na presyo ng repaint ay dahil mahal ang investment nila sa equipment na ginagamit nila.

Hindi ako magbabayad ng 8k para sa repaint na spraycan lang ang gamit.. pero kung sisingilin ako ng 1500 para sa spraycan repaint, pwedeng papayag ako.. pero hindi ko ieexpect na airbrush at parang naka compressor ang quality ng paint job..

Tingnan mo rin lahat ng sides. Naka factor yan sa costing ng trabaho ng mga gumagawa, I'm sure..

Tingnan mo Gibson (or kahit sino siguro), sisingil ba sila ng mura para sa fret leveling na trabaho kung PLEK machine ang gamit nila? I'm sure hindi..

Ang hirap satin minsan, gusto lagi dun sa pinaka mura.. pero ineexpect na top of the line ang quality..

Para kang naghanap ng Gibson Custom Shop quality sa RJ LP..

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Re: Pro Guitar Luthier Bad Experiences
« Reply #49 on: May 06, 2013, 06:35:53 PM »
Lesson nalang sa ating lahat.  Kung gusto niyo ng pulidong gawa dun kayo sa mahal maningil, pag gusto niyo naman na mura, mag expect na lang na petiks ang pagkakagawa.