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Offline guitbox

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Re: mature ka daw pag nagshift ka from rock to jazz..
« Reply #50 on: October 01, 2009, 10:00:26 AM »
maturity is not tied to jazz or classical for that matter---

however, due to a lot of elderly listening to the said genre makes it appear to be the case.
bear in mind though that not all elderly people are mature...  :wink:
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Re: mature ka daw pag nagshift ka from rock to jazz..
« Reply #51 on: October 01, 2009, 10:08:30 AM »
Damn definitions. Matured ka na pag lampas-buko na.  :mrgreen:

Ano yung lampas buko? :-D

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Re: mature ka daw pag nagshift ka from rock to jazz..
« Reply #52 on: October 01, 2009, 10:13:59 AM »
IMHO, maturity in terms of music has more to do with lyrics/songwriting than with the various genres. :)
tama hindi sa genre yan na sa artist or level of taste lang yan...
pag puro pukpok at sigaw at bilis lang eh di pang mature yun...
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Re: mature ka daw pag nagshift ka from rock to jazz..
« Reply #53 on: October 01, 2009, 10:16:35 AM »
tama hindi sa genre yan na sa artist or level of taste lang yan...
pag puro pukpok at sigaw at bilis lang eh di pang mature yun...
i think i agree with with one  :-D
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Re: mature ka daw pag nagshift ka from rock to jazz..
« Reply #54 on: October 01, 2009, 10:18:02 AM »
The phrase makes jazz sound like its a "for oldies" genre.

maturity is a matter of taste that comes with extensive exposure, IMHO.

I've encoutered alot of immature jazz guys. and alot of mature rockers.

i like to walk the fine line that seperates the two, therefore, I'm retarded  :-D
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Re: mature ka daw pag nagshift ka from rock to jazz..
« Reply #55 on: October 01, 2009, 10:20:07 AM »
Ano yung lampas buko? :-D

Pag hinatak mo yung takip, labas lahat ng buko.  :-D Ibig sabihin nun, pwede ka na pumunta sa albularyo.

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Re: mature ka daw pag nagshift ka from rock to jazz..
« Reply #56 on: October 01, 2009, 10:22:46 AM »
Hehe.  Another thought came to mind, medyo OT: Sa rock kahit hindi pa ganun ka"mature" ang playing - pwede daainin sa stage presence  :evil:.  Sa Jazz halatang halata pag hilaw...  Kaya paminsan minsan lang ako magtry ng Jazz... Hehe.
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Re: mature ka daw pag nagshift ka from rock to jazz..
« Reply #57 on: October 01, 2009, 10:23:43 AM »
Pag hinatak mo yung takip, labas lahat ng buko.  :-D Ibig sabihin nun, pwede ka na pumunta sa albularyo.

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Re: mature ka daw pag nagshift ka from rock to jazz..
« Reply #58 on: October 01, 2009, 10:28:14 AM »
Pag hinatak mo yung takip, labas lahat ng buko.  :-D Ibig sabihin nun, pwede ka na pumunta sa albularyo.

Linaw ba paliwanag ko ? Mwahahaha.

In fact... hindi ka pa mature kapag jazz ka. Kapag talagang mature ka na - albularyo ka na.
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Re: mature ka daw pag nagshift ka from rock to jazz..
« Reply #59 on: October 01, 2009, 10:39:15 AM »
IMO the only maturity in music is being able to accept all genres and not looking down on anything

check out marty friedman he was playin with megadeth for 12 years and shifted to j-pop/rock

does that mean he was immature before? i dont think so

shifting doesnt make you more mature it just helps you enjoy other forms of music  :-D


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Re: mature ka daw pag nagshift ka from rock to jazz..
« Reply #60 on: October 01, 2009, 11:17:31 AM »
Hmmmm...

in an academic and historical sense.... yes..... for at least 4 reasons

1 Jazz is a lot older than Rock its been there long before the record industry was conceived, rock just came along sometime in the 50's which is a by product of RnB

2 To play Jazz you will have to learn a lot of music music theory to know the rules for you to break them.... its has more complex structures while rock is more predictable.... basically you'll have to graduate from Rock to play Jazz (in a sense)

3 Rock reflects adolescent rebellion while jazz (generally) represents matured elegant class (makes sense?)

4 In terms of demographic taste most kids relate to rock (duh) while most older people can tolerate jazz  


As a player, artistically speaking NO, maybe i just like fast loud and aggressive music more than complex elegant progressions, their just two different genres. i've been pursuing jazz for my personal study hoping that someday i can graduate to become a jazz player.... but i still think the rock n roll spirit will be forever in me since (in my hearth) im an eternal teenager.  

in a nutshell... if we sum it all down to a general musical aptitude.... my answer is Yes

note: but if someone who plays jazz is downplaying someone who plays rock (as in nilalagyan at vocally bargging about is musical level)... i think he is personally immature despite his mature musical aptitude.  

i think musical aptitude is different from personal aptitude.... tama i've seen some jazz players that are immature... and ive seen some rock players who are mature as well.


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Re: mature ka daw pag nagshift ka from rock to jazz..
« Reply #61 on: October 01, 2009, 11:24:12 AM »
my band mixes jazz influences with metal. hehehehehe, pero in a subtle way lang usually just passing lines.


i enjoy listening to smooth jazz and RnB more than metal anyway, i just play metal because by default thats what my band plays. And it makes me feel "younger" LOLZ
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Re: mature ka daw pag nagshift ka from rock to jazz..
« Reply #62 on: October 01, 2009, 11:36:03 AM »
paano pag nagsimula ka sa jazz and you are a noob MATURE kana? :x :x :x
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Re: mature ka daw pag nagshift ka from rock to jazz..
« Reply #63 on: October 01, 2009, 11:37:23 AM »
Pag hinatak mo yung takip, labas lahat ng buko.  :-D Ibig sabihin nun, pwede ka na pumunta sa albularyo.

Linaw ba paliwanag ko ? Mwahahaha.

Sir sa tingin ko pag naka limang pukpok wala pa ring dating, yung tipong makunat, yun na un matured na  :-D
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Re: mature ka daw pag nagshift ka from rock to jazz..
« Reply #64 on: October 01, 2009, 11:38:12 AM »
paano pag nagsimula ka sa jazz and you are a noob MATURE kana? :x :x :x
nice point!hehe
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Re: mature ka daw pag nagshift ka from rock to jazz..
« Reply #65 on: October 01, 2009, 12:25:37 PM »
nice point!hehe


let me see???? have you ever met any noob who made it to jazz that quick? ...its a long long road for a noob to get to jazz. while anyone can jump to rock anytime

if theres a noob that gets to jazz that quick means that his musical aptitude (or even taste) is high to begin with..... promil kid yan malamang dibah?

considering this and to answer that question "yes" kaya nga sila advance eh....

i'd like to mention again that im predominantly a rock n roll guy.... ah you know (Manny P)





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Re: mature ka daw pag nagshift ka from rock to jazz..
« Reply #66 on: October 01, 2009, 12:30:30 PM »
it depends...

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Re: mature ka daw pag nagshift ka from rock to jazz..
« Reply #67 on: October 01, 2009, 12:35:35 PM »

let me see???? have you ever met any noob who made it to jazz that quick? ...its a long long road for a noob to get to jazz. while anyone can jump to rock anytime

if theres a noob that gets to jazz that quick means that his musical aptitude (or even taste) is high to begin with..... promil kid yan malamang dibah?

considering this and to answer that question "yes" kaya nga sila advance eh....

i'd like mention again that im predominly a rock n roll guy.... ah you know (Manny P)

I agree with you.

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Re: mature ka daw pag nagshift ka from rock to jazz..
« Reply #68 on: October 01, 2009, 12:36:21 PM »
it depends...

okey have you ever met any noob that can explain and apply the "circle of fifth" in a bebop improve jam?

and how can someone exploit the circle of fifths without first mastering the basic key signature vs progression for years?

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Re: mature ka daw pag nagshift ka from rock to jazz..
« Reply #69 on: October 01, 2009, 12:40:23 PM »
depende kung unang genre nya jazz

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Re: mature ka daw pag nagshift ka from rock to jazz..
« Reply #70 on: October 01, 2009, 12:40:40 PM »
MATURITY = Playing TIGHTER with the music and establishing better connectivity with the music you play regardless of the genre.


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Re: mature ka daw pag nagshift ka from rock to jazz..
« Reply #71 on: October 01, 2009, 12:46:36 PM »
MATURITY = Playing TIGHTER with the music and establishing better connectivity with the music you play regardless of the genre.



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Re: mature ka daw pag nagshift ka from rock to jazz..
« Reply #72 on: October 01, 2009, 12:47:20 PM »
MATURITY = Playing TIGHTER with the music and establishing better connectivity with the music you play regardless of the genre.



tama... and it takes time...... it takes time for it in a Rock Genre... and it takes I guess twice the amount of time for Jazz.....

when i was starting out... in 6 months i had the confidence to say im a rock guitar player

im studying jazz for 3 years and i cant even dare to say im a jazzy player

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Re: mature ka daw pag nagshift ka from rock to jazz..
« Reply #73 on: October 01, 2009, 12:48:04 PM »
I think musical maturity has more to do with the BREADTH and DEPTH of artistic understanding and execution than with just the genre as the underlying basis.

Kasi kung titignan mo ang bawat genre, kanya-kanyang musical statements ang bini-bring-out nila (of course depende yan sa nature and intent nung composition).

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Re: mature ka daw pag nagshift ka from rock to jazz..
« Reply #74 on: October 01, 2009, 12:49:02 PM »
depende kung unang genre nya jazz

ah okey.... pretex kasi yung una