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Title: Approach To Composition
Post by: Akira JUMBO on July 27, 2007, 02:55:29 AM
How do you guys approach your own drum compositions..for example in a band when your asked to play with new material what methods do you use to approach it?  :lol:
Title: Re: Approach In Composition
Post by: intake on July 27, 2007, 07:44:22 AM
pinapatugtog ko muna yung tune nung song, hahanapin ko yung feel na nababagay sa kanta
tapos pag aaralan kung gaano kabilis yung kanta (discussion muna kami)

after a day or so susubukan namin tugutgin...may ibang part na bigla na lang lumalabas (licks, another chorus, pauses) while playing, minsan by accident or naiisip na lang bigla

tapos yung pinakanakakabuwisit (minsan) na part...
check mo yung song baka may katunog eh!
Title: Re: Approach In Composition
Post by: Bammbamm on July 27, 2007, 11:35:13 AM
What I usually do aside from listening to the actual piece is to write them down on a piece of paper. Bale yung form o structure lang ng tugtog ang kelangan kong malaman, since hindi ako marunong bumasa ng chart, sariling symbols ang gamit ko.

Ex.

Intro = 4 bars  (*)

1st stanza =  2 bars (*)

2nd stanza = 2 bars  (*)

-break- (*)

Chorus = 2 bars (*)

3rd & 4th stanza (same with 1st & 2nd except....*)

-repeat chorus- (*)

Outro = 2 bars (*)


* Bale dun nakasulat sa asterisk yung mga parts na kailangan kong tandaaan na grooves, fills, o mga bagsakan.

Minsan sinusulat ko yung buong lyrics ng kanta para alam ko kung saan ako maglalagay ng landmark; yun nga lang, pag nagkamali yung vox, mali na din ako.

Basta kabisado ko na yung flow ng tugtugan at nakuha ko na yung sa tingin ko ay pinaka effective na groove sa drums, ire-record ko naman yung jam namin sa cassette para mapakinggan ng paulit-ulit.
Mahalaga na i-record ko yung tugtugan para mapakinggan ko yung 'buong tugtog' kung maganda. Minsan kasi ang ganda ng palo, pero hindi naman bumabagay sa takbo ng music.

Yun lang, sana nakatulong.  :-)




Dagdag ko lang, Hindi nyo po kailangan sundan yung example sa itaas, example lang po yun kung paano ko i-prepare yung paglalagay ng drum parts sa isang kanta - hindi sya sample ng kantang ginagawa ko/namin dahil wala po akong banda ngayon - Kahit puro chorus ang kantang gawin nyo, wala pong magrereklamo.....sundan ko nlang yung bass line kung hindi ako sigurado.  :-D


Title: Re: Approach In Composition
Post by: Cris on July 27, 2007, 03:21:24 PM
hhmm (kapag mejo funky jam namin) sa pinaka basic try ko ihit ng ung mga accent ng bass with the kick drum kung baga sinasabayan ko ung bass... then saka iadd ung mga fills.. ang daling sabihin hehe pero mejo hindi ko pa magawa ng maayos hehe
Title: Re: Approach In Composition
Post by: cavsdieagram on July 27, 2007, 04:31:39 PM
regarding sa compositions for me, kylangan mapakinggan ko muna ung riffs ng guitars na nabuo and as for the type of my bands music, pinipilit namin na hindi makabuo ng pattern... i mean, masyado na kc normal ung intro,verse,chorus,verse,chorus,end...so try ko din magbigay ng ibang approach sa beats and patterns. Like odd-time signatures...tama din si sir bammbamm, nakakatulong din ung pagsusulat ng patterns sa papel...galeng!!! :lol: salamat po PEACE!!!
Title: Re: Approach To Composition
Post by: cradleofklien on July 31, 2007, 12:23:24 AM
N-TRACK is The best! pag mag cocompose na kayo less practice sa studio plus pwede pa kayo gumawa ng drum riffs nyo na sasakto sa riffs ng guitars and bass..:D..
Title: Re: Approach To Composition
Post by: harugrugrug on July 31, 2007, 01:15:43 AM
in compo na songs... i listen to the guitar riffs.. kung
mga cover na banda... i listen to the bass..
kung latagan ng pyesa.. suot salamin o kaya contacts
at magmumukmok sa gilid para aralin ang pyesa.....
Title: Re: Approach To Composition
Post by: prjm14 on July 31, 2007, 01:25:00 AM
sa totoo lang ito pinakafavorite kong part pag nagkaron kami ng bagong kanta.. kasi ako bahala kung ano gusto kong mangyaring tunog, pag di bagay iibahin, pag di sakto dadagdagan, pag sobra babawasan.. trial and error kumbaga, well ganun kc naman talaga un.. dito ako mostly nageenjoy kc nabubuhos ko lahat ng alam ko during the process.. :lol:
Title: Makalimutin
Post by: l_e_i_g_h on July 31, 2007, 08:47:05 AM
Tama Yan! Kasi pag sinulat mo sa papel...mas madaling maalala yung ginawa mo (o balak mong gawin)

eh....hirap kung nagsimula ng tugtugan at tsaka ka lang magiisip na:

AHHHH!!! naalala ko na yung kanta na ito!  :mrgreen:

siyempre din masaya kung nageexperimento ka...pero...mahirap naman yung tumigil na yung mga kasama mo (o tapos na yung kanta) tumutugtog ka pa rin!  :lol:

ako sinusulat ko kasi makalimutin ako...pero minsan din naiiwan yung papel kapag tugtugan na...kaya asa nalang sa mga kabanda minsan at kung ano naaalala. :)

regarding sa compositions for me, kylangan mapakinggan ko muna ung riffs ng guitars na nabuo and as for the type of my bands music, pinipilit namin na hindi makabuo ng pattern... i mean, masyado na kc normal ung intro,verse,chorus,verse,chorus,end...so try ko din magbigay ng ibang approach sa beats and patterns. Like odd-time signatures...tama din si sir bammbamm, nakakatulong din ung pagsusulat ng patterns sa papel...galeng!!! :lol: salamat po PEACE!!!
Title: Re: Makalimutin
Post by: cavsdieagram on July 31, 2007, 04:38:43 PM
Tama Yan! Kasi pag sinulat mo sa papel...mas madaling maalala yung ginawa mo (o balak mong gawin)

eh....hirap kung nagsimula ng tugtugan at tsaka ka lang magiisip na:

AHHHH!!! naalala ko na yung kanta na ito!  :mrgreen:

siyempre din masaya kung nageexperimento ka...pero...mahirap naman yung tumigil na yung mga kasama mo (o tapos na yung kanta) tumutugtog ka pa rin!  :lol:

ako sinusulat ko kasi makalimutin ako...pero minsan din naiiwan yung papel kapag tugtugan na...kaya asa nalang sa mga kabanda minsan at kung ano naaalala. :)

regarding sa compositions for me, kylangan mapakinggan ko muna ung riffs ng guitars na nabuo and as for the type of my bands music, pinipilit namin na hindi makabuo ng pattern... i mean, masyado na kc normal ung intro,verse,chorus,verse,chorus,end...so try ko din magbigay ng ibang approach sa beats and patterns. Like odd-time signatures...tama din si sir bammbamm, nakakatulong din ung pagsusulat ng patterns sa papel...galeng!!! :lol: salamat po PEACE!!!

Ahihihi tumpak!! pero hirap nung nakakalimutan ung papel, Yari ka sa bandmates mo... :lol: gudpm
Title: Re: Approach To Composition
Post by: jacobus on July 31, 2007, 08:36:39 PM
on writing compositions. its like we all work together. pero kung ano gusto ko or feel ko ilalagay ko sa part ng kanta na bumabagay sa riffs and etc yun lalagay ko :)
but most of the time we all work together like if gusto ng guitars or bass or vocals na madagdag ill try to incorporate it sa kanta. :)
Title: Re: Approach To Composition
Post by: glynminded on July 31, 2007, 09:25:59 PM
at first I try to get the feel of the song.... what emotion it wants to bring out... then I implement the simlpiest groove that gives the same feel... then thats the time I think about complicating the groove... about fills... usually I don't do the exact same fill all the time... pabago-bago... pero by the time I get the right fill for those transitions then I note it down... un lang ehehe...
Title: Re: Approach To Composition
Post by: metalmuhlisha on July 31, 2007, 09:46:40 PM
ayus yung methods nila intake at bammbamm para sa akin. really helpful, especially since i'm still a newbie drummer and i still haven't found any bandmates that have the same music taste as i do. hehe. makakatulong siguro to sakin. thanks sa tips.
Title: Re: Approach To Composition
Post by: daemonite on July 31, 2007, 10:33:49 PM
2 things lang naman sa tingin ko yan eh, groove and dynamics. kapag sinabi groove, yun yung feel ng kanta. kapag dynamics, yun yung technicality ng kanta.

para sa akin, kung di ka masyado technical na drummer, bawiin mo sa groove, make the listener feel the emotion you put into each chop. pero hindi ibig sabihn na kapag technical drummer ka, wala ka na groove. meron pa rin, mas malakas nga lang ang lagkit ng palo mo.

dahil ako ay isang advanced novice na drummer, i try to play the basics of the song first. lagyan lang ng beat, tapos kapag kabisado na ng ibang rhythm section, dun na ako naglalaro para hanapin ang feel ng each tone nila....

i hope wala ako nakontra sa post ko....
Title: Re: Approach To Composition
Post by: peeves24 on August 01, 2007, 12:30:57 PM
madalas nagstart sa acoustic guitar + vox yung mga orig na kanta na naririnig ko. lahat ng downstroke na strum nilalagyan ko ng bass drum at yung upstroke naman sa snare. dun ko na mabubuo yung basic pattern tapos instead na dagdagan ko yung notes, binabawasan ko hanggang sa marating ko yung least common denominator (that's feels good) at yun na yung magsisilbing final pattern ko. sometimes 1 pattern lang for the whole song sometimes 3 or more

pero nung nadiskubre ko ang drumkit from hell, binigyan nya ko ng bagong ideas hehe

i still try to play the song first using my concept above. tapos icoconvert ko sya into a midi track then padadaanin sa drumkit from hell. may sample drum track ako for a pop song that my officemate wrote. i originally played a simple shuffle beat tapos nag mutate sya ng konti nung pinogram ko na sa sonar at eto yung result

http://www.raketship.com/drumblog/morethanwords-drums.mp3


if i can get away with just a bass drum, hihat and snare happy na ko. i dont try to put everything i know for a song. i've realized lately that the song will always dictate what it needs. if play i fill or lick that i like, i remove it coz its serving my ego and not the song (well not always  :-D )
Title: Re: Approach To Composition
Post by: greysky on August 02, 2007, 01:04:51 AM
Yes tama sir Mr. Peeves24 madalas nag start sa guitar and vox
then imememorize ko yung sequence
tapos iisipan ko ng beat na alam kong babagay sa song
after makapag isip na ko
sinusulat ko sa paper para hindi ko makalimutan
pero katulad ni sir Bamm hindi din ako marunong bumasa ng chart
so sinusulat ko lang din sa sarili kong symbols
para hindi ko makalimutan  :-D