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Offline tolshelman

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« on: September 21, 2006, 03:03:30 PM »
Hello guys! I'd like to know: what do we need to start an album. What I've known so far are these:

- we can obtain copyright for the songs at the National Library.
- we should have a producer registered (sa Optical Media Board). i believe this is regarding CD distribution.

what else do we need to know? kunyari may master CD na kami, may artwork na rin for the album and all that, what else do we need? other paperworks?

Thanks!!

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« Reply #1 on: September 21, 2006, 05:01:28 PM »
peace to you tolshelman...

share ko lang experience ko kasi eto ay first hand...step by step tayo dito...

so ang facts mo ay may CD(master ka na..hopefully maganda CD-R po ito) and artwork(and mind you po, this is very complicated, see below)...

1) is the setting the negatives of the artwork...if you're talking only for CD's (which i think eto muna pagusapan natin and tsaka na sa cassettes) negatives sets up the tasks that the printers of the inlay card(CD inlay , which is in the number 2) this step(#1) includes...a) inlay card measurement and pages and style(coinciding with the packager details and printer details) b) center film (ung bilog ng CD mismo) medyo madugo ito sa sukatan(again sa packager and printer requirements dapat i-sabi)

dapat dito kelangan mo i-picture ung finish product na para di ka na madyahe pagdating sa next step...

after getting the negatives...heres the 2nd

2) printers (they are in charge sa printing of the inlay cards...syempre bilang printer may minimum yan(eg 1000 cds?) pero again contact first the packager and tanungin kung ilang CDs ang minimum din nila...

tapos in printing subaybayan mo kung kamusta ang lay out ng negatives...kung sakto ba sa sukat nila...kung hindi...gaya ka sa akin...5 times bumalik(charge to experience at syempre doble gastos ka pa)

then ang finish product nito parang rim ng bond paper...(awaitng to be segregated.heheh.) tapos den go to the packager

3) this step is the most important step sa lahat...although mukang last na to, hindi pa...baket importante?kaSi before ka gumawa nung step 1 and 2, dapat ang packager ay ang una mong kinokontak...kasi sila ang ngdidictate ng price ng final product mo(which is the cd content and packaging)  this step includes a) CDcontent (from your master copy) kaya kelangan ung CD-r provide mo. so magkakasundo pa kayo sa sukat nyan... b) pagpili ng lalagyanan c) pagsukat ng center film(eto ang pinakanakakaasar sa lahat) d) pagayos ng printed inlay cards e) finished product

hope sufficient tong info kahit medyo kulang pa po...

re: sa copyright separate ko nalang post to..

re: sa prices...lahat dapat i-consider

re: sa contacts...naku ser hahanapin ko pa...pero sige PM pm nalang unless pede i-post din ung contacts...

o sige sir eto muna...basa basa...

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« Reply #2 on: September 21, 2006, 05:06:34 PM »
Quote from: tolshelman

- we can obtain copyright for the songs at the National Library.
- we should have a producer registered (sa Optical Media Board). i believe this is regarding CD distribution.
Thanks!!


1) national library kuha kayo ng form...meron pa ata akong form...at mataas ng ang applicataion fee nila per song ata...is 300p?per song yan ah...

2)producer registered...eto lang lam ko ser kung INDEPENDENT kayo...LETTER OF REQUEST FOR CD DUPLICATION attention sa PARI MUSIC...(naku ser hahanapin ko pa template ko dito...hehehe)
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« Reply #3 on: September 21, 2006, 05:10:40 PM »
national library application of song form...

copy of the song LYRICS (atleast 3 sets ata) and if possible, may kasama na siyang chords.siyempre kahit papanu type written na siguro with the title,word & music composer indicated)
 
-fully accomplished APPLICATION FORM nung galing sa national library(ung hahanapin ko pa)atleast ata 3 sets(di ata pede photocopy - ewan ko ba) with siyempre your signature sa huli
 
-tpos siyempre hindi uusad un kapag alang payment...dati nung ngpacopyright pa kami, 150p pa ata nun tanda ko...ngayon siguro malamang mga 1,500.00p na ...
 
                JOKE!!!
 
-basta siguro mga 300p ok na un...
 
-tpos parang picture ata 1x1 or 2x2 (mga 3pics  nadin)--->>>>-Eto di ko pa sure, maganda na din siguro kapag nakita na natin yung mismong application...maghanda na din kayo...
 
tpos kapag naaccomplish nyo na lahat,submit sa national library
 
 
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Offline tolshelman

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« Reply #4 on: September 26, 2006, 06:42:07 AM »
Quote from: bindoy

sa packager...
eto link..

http://www.fasdevcorp.com/profile.html

hingi ka na din sa kanila ng contacts nila sa negatives...

printing...

tapos after calling negatives...hingi ka sa negatives ng contacts naman nila sa printing...or even packaging...kung ayaw mo sa fas...

tapos continue process...hanggang makanetwork ka ng mga contacts para madami ka...i'm sure madami silang contacts...di lang isa parati ibibigay nyan...

pasensya na..di ko mahagilap contacts ko...pati ung mga sample letters...dasal pa ako na mahanap ko...

sa pari...may website sila...puntahan mo na lang...

free CD? yahoo yahoo!!!


ok lang yung tungkol sa contacts. you've helped me enough. thanks talaga!

yep! so dasal ako talaga matuloy ito!  :)


Offline bindoy

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« Reply #5 on: September 26, 2006, 09:35:26 AM »
peace dre!!!
post ka lang ng post para sa update nyo para din sa mga 1st time gagawa...promote natin dito ang independent album production(kasi karamihan di pa nakakalam ng ganito na pede palang magproduce ng sarili e)..na pagawa di ba...

kakainis...di ko mahanap ung mga word docs ko...heheh...

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Offline andytekken

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« Reply #6 on: September 26, 2006, 10:24:35 AM »
mga bossing magkano na kaya ngayon ang pag produce ng 1000 copies ng Cds/inlays? at saan ba maganda mag pagawa nito? Eg. yung sleeves simple lang mga 3 colors lang tapos 1 fold lang yung sleeves at kung sakaling 4 pages magkano. Pasensya na sa newbie question ko...
salamat.

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« Reply #7 on: September 26, 2006, 11:35:25 AM »
Quote from: bindoy
peace to you tolshelman...

share ko lang experience ko kasi eto ay first hand...step by step tayo dito...

so ang facts mo ay may CD(master ka na..hopefully maganda CD-R po ito) and artwork(and mind you po, this is very complicated, see below)...

1) is the setting the negatives of the artwork...if you're talking only for CD's (which i think eto muna pagusapan natin and tsaka na sa cassettes) negatives sets up the tasks that the printers of the inlay card(CD inlay , which is in the number 2) this step(#1) includes...a) inlay card measurement and pages and style(coinciding with the packager details and printer details) b) center film (ung bilog ng CD mismo) medyo madugo ito sa sukatan(again sa packager and printer requirements dapat i-sabi)

dapat dito kelangan mo i-picture ung finish product na para di ka na madyahe pagdating sa next step...

after getting the negatives...heres the 2nd

2) printers (they are in charge sa printing of the inlay cards...syempre bilang printer may minimum yan(eg 1000 cds?) pero again contact first the packager and tanungin kung ilang CDs ang minimum din nila...

tapos in printing subaybayan mo kung kamusta ang lay out ng negatives...kung sakto ba sa sukat nila...kung hindi...gaya ka sa akin...5 times bumalik(charge to experience at syempre doble gastos ka pa)

then ang finish product nito parang rim ng bond paper...(awaitng to be segregated.heheh.) tapos den go to the packager

3) this step is the most important step sa lahat...although mukang last na to, hindi pa...baket importante?kaSi before ka gumawa nung step 1 and 2, dapat ang packager ay ang una mong kinokontak...kasi sila ang ngdidictate ng price ng final product mo(which is the cd content and packaging)  this step includes a) CDcontent (from your master copy) kaya kelangan ung CD-r provide mo. so magkakasundo pa kayo sa sukat nyan... b) pagpili ng lalagyanan c) pagsukat ng center film(eto ang pinakanakakaasar sa lahat) d) pagayos ng printed inlay cards e) finished product

hope sufficient tong info kahit medyo kulang pa po...

re: sa copyright separate ko nalang post to..

re: sa prices...lahat dapat i-consider

re: sa contacts...naku ser hahanapin ko pa...pero sige PM pm nalang unless pede i-post din ung contacts...

o sige sir eto muna...basa basa...

ngatz...gbu



one other thing pa, make sure that the resolution of your artworks must have a resolution of at least 600 ppi.

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« Reply #8 on: September 26, 2006, 11:56:58 AM »
Quote from: andytekken
mga bossing magkano na kaya ngayon ang pag produce ng 1000 copies ng Cds/inlays? at saan ba maganda mag pagawa nito? Eg. yung sleeves simple lang mga 3 colors lang tapos 1 fold lang yung sleeves at kung sakaling 4 pages magkano. Pasensya na sa newbie question ko...
salamat.


peace andytekken :D
back thread mo lang to dre..makikita mo na ung steps...ngatz..gbu
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« Reply #9 on: September 26, 2006, 12:02:40 PM »
Quote from: terencek

one other thing pa, make sure that the resolution of your artworks must have a resolution of at least 600 ppi.


tama yun dre...salamat sir terencek..actually ung gagawa ng printers nun din magsasuggest sayo din nun kaso nga dapat nakapagprint na talaga sila ng CD inlays before(professionally)...just like what i've said sa back threads...let the packager give the contacts(kasi more or less magbibigay sila ng gumagawa ng  NEGATIVES and PRINTERS na medyo katrabaho na nila talaga or in some way nagbibigay na sa kanila ng trabaho before...di ba)then pagpilian nyo nalang kung anu suited senyo...just don't sacrifice the quality masyado purket mababa ung isa...di ba?

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« Reply #10 on: September 29, 2006, 05:32:40 PM »
i heard mura lang daw sa Electromat (or something like that).  try asking around about the company.  sorry i don't have their number but their prices seem very competetive.
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« Reply #11 on: September 30, 2006, 04:18:42 PM »
dun ako dapat ma'am starfugger.mura nga din.halos pareho din ng FAS..kaso mas madami silang requirements e...hassle...unlike sa fas...kaso layo nga lang fas...
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« Reply #12 on: November 14, 2006, 09:35:39 AM »
hello!

hehe buhay pa ako. medyo may problema kami sa budget kaya madedelay kami. salamat ulet sa inyo sa tulong ha!

good to know umaandar pa rin itong thread na ito hehehe.  8-)

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« Reply #13 on: November 14, 2006, 10:44:35 PM »
what we did for the copyright of our first songs eh nag print kami ng lyrics at chords of the songs at nilagay ung lyricist at composer. tapos ang ginawa namin, nilagay namin sa envelope, nilagyan namin ng date, tapos siyempre dapat may seal, then we mailed it to one of us.

thats the cheap way of doing it  :-D at legal yan hehe



Quote from: tolshelman
- we can obtain copyright for the songs at the National Library.
- we should have a producer registered (sa Optical Media Board). i believe this is regarding CD distribution.
Thanks!!

1) national library kuha kayo ng form...meron pa ata akong form...at mataas ng ang applicataion fee nila per song ata...is 300p?per song yan ah...

2)producer registered...eto lang lam ko ser kung INDEPENDENT kayo...LETTER OF REQUEST FOR CD DUPLICATION attention sa PARI MUSIC...(naku ser hahanapin ko pa template ko dito...hehehe)

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« Reply #14 on: November 15, 2006, 01:07:11 PM »
actually pwede kahit hindi mo na i pa copyright..imho pag na i release mo na yung album it is considered "copyrighted" ...

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« Reply #15 on: November 15, 2006, 01:47:41 PM »
yun din ang alam ko dantuts.  the only problem is if someone cotests your copyright, pano na? poor man's copyright is to send the songs to yourself via registered mail (sealed) and to not open the envelope when u receive it.  i dunno if this would still work now.
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« Reply #16 on: November 15, 2006, 01:52:44 PM »
just my 2 cents

copyright of a song isnt an issue cguro kung walang pakealam ang artist/songwriter/arranger sa song nila at basta ma produce lang. pero a real musician treasures his/her song para di manakaw.

everytime nga makatapos kami ng isang song kahit di pa tapos ang arrangment, tinatakbo na agad namin sa National Library.
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« Reply #17 on: November 15, 2006, 02:00:29 PM »
It's a whole lot cheaper if you copyright by the album sa National Library.

The copyright by registered mail doesn't hold much water now, at least legally. Probably in Her Majesty's Postal Service, but not here.
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« Reply #18 on: November 15, 2006, 02:04:06 PM »
just my 2 cents
copyright of a song isnt an issue cguro kung walang pakealam ang artist/songwriter/arranger sa song nila at basta ma produce lang. pero a real musician treasures his/her song para di manakaw.
everytime nga makatapos kami ng isang song kahit di pa tapos ang arrangment, tinatakbo na agad namin sa National Library.

peace to all!

tama yan sir jepoy, and ma'am starfugger... it was also one of the points that sir mikeP gave us when i attended his seminar on songwriting. valid and legal daw pa din yung airmail pero many reasons pa daw ng sakit ng ulo sa aberya...although before hearing sir mikeP seminar, isa ako sa gumagawa ng mail to sender also...national library na ngyon po.

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« Reply #19 on: March 07, 2007, 04:12:58 AM »
nung may report ako sa school dati, binaggit ko yang poorman's copyright.. pinagtawanan ako ng prof ko tapos sinabihan akong [chewbacca] ako kung gagawin ko un.. wala daw cyang tiwala sa mga ganun ganun.. sabi ko sa kanya, nabasa ko lang sa net hnd ko ginagawa.. so siya ung [chewbacca] hehe.. aun, mura naman pala ung pagcopyright.. if u treasure ur songs, pa copyright mo na wag nalang magtipid kasi songs mo un eh.. pag nanakaw, badtrip db? hehe.. :-D
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« Reply #20 on: March 16, 2007, 04:48:35 PM »
what we did for the copyright of our first songs eh nag print kami ng lyrics at chords of the songs at nilagay ung lyricist at composer. tapos ang ginawa namin, nilagay namin sa envelope, nilagyan namin ng date, tapos siyempre dapat may seal, then we mailed it to one of us.

thats the cheap way of doing it  :-D at legal yan hehe



Quote from: tolshelman
- we can obtain copyright for the songs at the National Library.
- we should have a producer registered (sa Optical Media Board). i believe this is regarding CD distribution.
Thanks!!

1) national library kuha kayo ng form...meron pa ata akong form...at mataas ng ang applicataion fee nila per song ata...is 300p?per song yan ah...

2)producer registered...eto lang lam ko ser kung INDEPENDENT kayo...LETTER OF REQUEST FOR CD DUPLICATION attention sa PARI MUSIC...(naku ser hahanapin ko pa template ko dito...hehehe)

Okey yun kung wala kang balak makakuha ng damage pero kung gusto mo makasingil sa perwisyo  idaan mo sa national library para di ka agrabyado. kasi pag "poor mans copyright"
sa korte ititigil lang nila yung pag pirata sa kanta mo pero walang bayad sayo
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« Reply #21 on: March 31, 2007, 09:14:01 PM »
It's a whole lot cheaper if you copyright by the album sa National Library.

The copyright by registered mail doesn't hold much water now, at least legally. Probably in Her Majesty's Postal Service, but not here.

With all due respect, I disagree.  Wala pa naman yatang case dito sa local jurisprudence na hindi pa tinanggap ang poor man's copyright as proof of ownership.

Ang alam kong huling kaso ng copyright infringement ay yung "Bawal Na Gamot" na kanta ng yumaong Willi Garte.  Ang nanalo yata sa copyright ownership dun (who won is not the issue here) was a cassette J card na nakalagay ang title/lyrics ng song at may copyright date yung J card.

I would still recommend actual copyright registration at the National Library - in fact I would push that you register sound recording copyright (para makamura kayo - kahit ilang kanta na nasa isang CD) instead of individual song copyright (insist on classification F).  Pero I still say there is no known disadvantage sa poor man's copyright.

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« Reply #22 on: March 31, 2007, 10:03:31 PM »
It's a whole lot cheaper if you copyright by the album sa National Library.

The copyright by registered mail doesn't hold much water now, at least legally. Probably in Her Majesty's Postal Service, but not here.

With all due respect, I disagree.  Wala pa naman yatang case dito sa local jurisprudence na hindi pa tinanggap ang poor man's copyright as proof of ownership.

Noted, Mr. Sanchez. While there is no precedent regarding this locally, I was advised against this practice by a lawyer who happens to be a composer himself, as well as my kumpare. To quote from the US Copyright Office (on which our own copyright practices are based): "The practice of sending a copy of your own work to yourself is sometimes called a “poor man’s copyright.” There is no provision in the copyright law regarding any such type of protection, and it is not a substitute for registration. "

I guess it is more prudent to be safe than sorry.
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« Reply #23 on: April 01, 2007, 12:06:06 PM »
Exactly my point - it was that comment by the US copyright office which circulated here in the country.  I am not a lawyer, nor an expert with copyright law but as a comment - of course the US copyright office would want to discourage sending songs by email because that would defeat the purpose of their existence.  Imagine if everyone does this paractice then goodbye na ang office nila for lack of funds.

Comment number 2 - the poor man's copyright is exactly that - a recommended way to get protection in case a songwriter is not in a position to have his work registered.  If one is in a position to have his work registered legally, then by all means do so.

Comment number 3 - the classification F I mentioned earlier is something being recommended by many people in the know wherein you register the soundtrack recording of your songs.  The advantage of this is that you get to pay per disc as opposed to paying per song.  This makes copyright registration much much cheaper - but strictly speaking - it is not the real song copyright registration.  Classification F registers a soundtrack recording of the song belonging to the soundtrack producer (e.g. record companies register their albums in this classification).  Nakiki ride on lang tayo kasi part of the soundtrack registration would mean listing the song and their necessary credits lke artist, songwriter, etc. Doon tayo nasali sa date of registry.  So kung tutuusin, hindi siya naiba sa poor man's copyright which is to place a date of registry to anything of value to prove its existence.

Again as a recommendation, have your songs duly registered sa copyright office.  Another means of doing so would be to have a group of them jointly registered as soundtrack recording copyright so that you don't pay as much.  But if you really cannot afford to do so, then do the poor man's copyright.

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« Reply #24 on: April 01, 2007, 06:31:29 PM »
Exactly my point - it was that comment by the US copyright office which circulated here in the country.  I am not a lawyer, nor an expert with copyright law but as a comment - of course the US copyright office would want to discourage sending songs by email because that would defeat the purpose of their existence.  Imagine if everyone does this paractice then goodbye na ang office nila for lack of funds.

The US Copyright Office's problems notwithstanding, I guess you misunderstood my post. I mentioned, in parenthesis, 'on which our own copyright laws are based'. While there are slight differences between our copyright laws, there is no mention in both the validity of the poor man's copyright. If any, the poor man's copyright could only serve as evidence in validating the date when the composition was mailed, but not when it was created.

I guess we should leave this to the lawyers and just concentrate on making music, eh?  :wink:

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