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The Musician Forums => Music Technology & Pro Audio => Topic started by: audiozone on April 07, 2010, 12:40:06 PM
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ask and help lng wat magandang speaker na pdeng pang foh small venu lang,,
na pde din stage monitor, and pede rin kahit sanapplication, ung medyo mura lng,,
SPL? B3? Kevler? etc
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:-D SPL 15A
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Beta 3 U10 or U12 i believe sounds better than the other 2 you mentioned though a little pricier
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Kami, simula na nag B3 all the way (U-series, TS-series, Sigma Series) di na kami nagkaproblema sa operation namin. tuloy-tuloy na ang kita, wala na gastos sa repairs.
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you may also want to consider samson rs 15hd. i think it's still below 15thou a pair. there's a new design of this model but i haven't check it out lately. 8-)
(http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab40/jolo3200/ProAudio/rs15hd_old.jpg)
(http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab40/jolo3200/ProAudio/samson_logo.gif)
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you could also consider the Mackie THUMP TH-15A at P24,995 each.
.......http://www.mackie.com/products/th-15a/ (http://www.mackie.com/products/th-15a/)
and pair that with the Mackie THUMP TH-18S powered sub.
.......http://www.mackie.com/products/th-18s/ (http://www.mackie.com/products/th-18s/)
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balak ko din mag start ng Sound System Rental Bussiness..i think this thread could help.. :-D
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sir kamusta naman performance ng Mackie THUMP TH-15A and THUMP TH-18S ? medyo mas mura kasi compared sa mackie na SRM model.
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you could also consider the Mackie THUMP TH-15A at P24,995 each.
.......http://www.mackie.com/products/th-15a/ (http://www.mackie.com/products/th-15a/)
Looks promising ito sir ha? Affordable at Mackie pa! Tnx for the info. 8-)
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Mga Sir, punta po kayo sa The Music Source, naka setup dun.
mga kasama ko sa store si Phin, Loren, & Joy
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how much Mackie THUMP TH-18S powered sub?
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@ forerunnermusic,
sir PM pls yung price ng Mackie TH-18S powered sub thanks po
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you could also consider the Mackie THUMP TH-15A at P24,995 each.
.......http://www.mackie.com/products/th-15a/ (http://www.mackie.com/products/th-15a/)
and pair that with the Mackie THUMP TH-18S powered sub.
.......http://www.mackie.com/products/th-18s/ (http://www.mackie.com/products/th-18s/)
(Out of Topic)
Boss consult lang tungkol sa mid size set up).
Dapat ba 2 pair ng speaker? (this means na 2 rin ang power amp?)
I read several articles and they sadi that:.
one pair for subwoofers for bass and drums and
one pair of speakers for vocals, guitars ang keyboard.
thanks
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spl ok :-)
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bakit GRF parang hindi ganun kadami gumagamit compare sa Beta 3, kevler, Evo at SPL? it means ba na napag iwanan na ang GRF?
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Mackie Thump TH-15A is P24,995 Retail
Mackie Thump 18S is P48,995 Retail
you may ask your favorite dealer for your price ;)
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huwag mo na i-consider spl, very bad experience with this units. sana ma-resolve yung problema ko dito.
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ah talaga sir, parang pag sa budget speakers Bete 3 talaga ang lamang. proven and tested na kasi...
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you may also want to consider samson rs 15hd. i think it's still below 15thou a pair. there's a new design of this model but i haven't check it out lately. 8-)
(http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab40/jolo3200/ProAudio/rs15hd_old.jpg)
(http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab40/jolo3200/ProAudio/samson_logo.gif)
san available ito?
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san available ito?
audiophile
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you could also consider the Mackie THUMP TH-15A at P24,995 each.
.......http://www.mackie.com/products/th-15a/ (http://www.mackie.com/products/th-15a/)
and pair that with the Mackie THUMP TH-18S powered sub.
.......http://www.mackie.com/products/th-18s/ (http://www.mackie.com/products/th-18s/)
hi,sir meron po ba passive ang mackie around 200 to 250watts lang with 15inch speaker.kasi i'll be using it at my Fender PX-2216D 600watts(300Wx300W/side) Powered Mixing Console.Many thanks
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hi,sir meron po ba passive ang mackie around 200 to 250watts lang with 15inch speaker.kasi i'll be using it at my Fender PX-2216D 600watts(300Wx300W/side) Powered Mixing Console.Many thanks
No passive Mackie version.
since it was mentioned in this thread, you may consider passive B3 models like the TS-300, U12, TS-260, TS-200
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Mag B3 ka na lang! Mganda pa supprt.
Yung iba kasi price lang attractive pero sa durability and product support sablay na.
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mga sir, magkano mackie HD1531(1,800w) plus HD1801(1,600w)?
meron naba gumagamit neto?
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nadinig k na mackie HD, maganda tumunog. yun 2way less than 70k plus ata isa.
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Sir, try to consider YAMAHA Club V Series (for FOH / Monitor) may exclusive discounts po @ Yupangco Electronics Corporation until April 30, 2010.
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Guys, pasingit na rin ako dito... ano sa 2 ang mas OK na option para ~50K price range?. Use? Occasional small band gigs, for Rental na rin kung may offer pero for most of the time naka fix sa bahay.
#1> 1pair JBL-JRX115 + Crown LPS2500
#2> 1pair Mackie THUMP (TH-15)
Im leaning towards the JBL speakers since they are made of MDF which some say "sounds better" than molded plastics. Plus makakamura ako sa upgrade options, +35K lang ang option#1 for additional speakers since ready na at capable ang amp whereas yun #2 +50K ulit.
Pero baka meron kayong ibang opinions, paki-share na lang. :-D
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Guys, pasingit na rin ako dito... ano sa 2 ang mas OK na option para ~50K price range?. Use? Occational small band gigs, for Rental na rin kung may offer pero for most of the time naka fix sa bahay.
#1> 1pair JBL-JRX115 + Crown LPS2500
#2> 1pair Mackie THUMP (TH-15)
Im leaning towards the JBL speakers since they are made of MDF which some say "sounds better" than molded plastics. Plus makakamura ako sa upgrade options, +35K lang ang option#1 for additional speakers since ready na at capable ang amp whereas yun #2 +50K ulit.
Pero baka meron kayong ibang opinions, paki-share na lang. :-D
Both are good choices. I tried the JRX series before and they sounded good. For the Mackie Thumps, the prices are tempting :evil: and I'm sure these will sound good too since they are Mackie.
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@ SAITOHAJIME,
heard both models, sir, IMHO, both are good but better ang sound ng Mackie Thump though the two are the entry-level ng respective brands nila. you may want to compare data sheets as well and make projections on max SPL if that will be an issue. the Thump's a 15 incher but the website says its ampli's not as powerful as others of the same dimension. but between the two, +1 on Mackie Thump.
MAKING SOUND MATTER
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@ SAITOHAJIME,
heard both models, sir, IMHO, both are good but better ang sound ng Mackie Thump though the two are the entry-level ng respective brands nila. you may want to compare data sheets as well and make projections on max SPL if that will be an issue. the Thump's a 15 incher but the website says its ampli's not as powerful as others of the same dimension. but between the two, +1 on Mackie Thump.
MAKING SOUND MATTER
Thanks Boss Sikyo, Ive already compared the numbers.
Freq Response: JBL JRX115 > 50Hz - 12.5KHz Mackie THUMP > 40Hz - 20KHz
SPL : JBL JRX115 > 128db Mackie THUMP > 113db
Sensitivity : JBL JRX115 > 98db Mackie THUMP > 94db
JBL's JRX115 somehow have better overall figures, except for the the THUMP's freq. response.Then again i dont know how would this translate to real world situations. There's also the issue of durability since hindi biro ang investment na ito. Just trying to make most of my money hehehe.
Sa mga nagreply at sa mga additional inputs, salamat.
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Sir, try nyo po ung YAMAHA Club V Series S115V or C115V
Type = 2-way bass-reflex
Frequency range (-10dB) = 55Hz-16kHz
Nominal coverage = 90Hx40V
Nominal impedance = 8Ω
Power rating: NOISE = 250W
PGM = 500W
MAX = 1000W
sensitivity (1W,1m) = 99dB SPL
Component: LF = 15" cone
HF = Horn + 2" voice coil driver
Connectors = 1/4" phone jack x 2, SPEAKON Neutrik NL4MP x 2
Dimensions (W x H x D) = 489 x 719 x 377mm (23.8" x 28.3" x 25.1")
Weight = S115V: 29.4kg (64.8lbs)/C115V: 30.3kg (66.8lbs)
Price: S115V Php 28,990.00 (less 10% since may SUMMER SWING-OUT SALE until April 30, 2010)
C115V Php 29,990.00 (less 10% since may SUMMER SWING-OUT SALE until April 30, 2010)
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Guys, pasingit na rin ako dito... ano sa 2 ang mas OK na option para ~50K price range?. Use? Occasional small band gigs, for Rental na rin kung may offer pero for most of the time naka fix sa bahay.
#1> 1pair JBL-JRX115 + Crown LPS2500
#2> 1pair Mackie THUMP (TH-15)
Im leaning towards the JBL speakers since they are made of MDF which some say "sounds better" than molded plastics. Plus makakamura ako sa upgrade options, +35K lang ang option#1 for additional speakers since ready na at capable ang amp whereas yun #2 +50K ulit.
Pero baka meron kayong ibang opinions, paki-share na lang. :-D
bro, better kung i-A/B test mo ang two brands so you can decide better :roll: ska stick with these two brands. affordable na at branded pa :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Sir, try nyo po ung YAMAHA Club V Series S115V or C115V
Type = 2-way bass-reflex
Frequency range (-10dB) = 55Hz-16kHz
Nominal coverage = 90Hx40V
Nominal impedance = 8Ω
Power rating: NOISE = 250W
PGM = 500W
MAX = 1000W
sensitivity (1W,1m) = 99dB SPL
Component: LF = 15" cone
HF = Horn + 2" voice coil driver
Connectors = 1/4" phone jack x 2, SPEAKON Neutrik NL4MP x 2
Dimensions (W x H x D) = 489 x 719 x 377mm (23.8" x 28.3" x 25.1")
Weight = S115V: 29.4kg (64.8lbs)/C115V: 30.3kg (66.8lbs)
Price: S115V Php 28,990.00 (less 10% since may SUMMER SWING-OUT SALE until April 30, 2010)
C115V Php 29,990.00 (less 10% since may SUMMER SWING-OUT SALE until April 30, 2010)
Boss pair na ba ang presyo nito? Medyo mataas kasi ang RMS @ 500 di ata kaya ng Crown LPS2500 :-(
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Boss pair na ba ang presyo nito? Medyo mataas kasi ang RMS @ 500 di ata kaya ng Crown LPS2500 :-(
Aw, per piece pala....sobra sa budget heheheh :-D
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Boss pair na ba ang presyo nito? Medyo mataas kasi ang RMS @ 500 di ata kaya ng Crown LPS2500 :-(
@SAITOHAJIME,
sir, program yata yung 500 watts ng Yamaha, not RMS. dagdag lang, mas pogi tingnan yung Mackie Thump kesa JRX 115 :wink:
MAKING SOUND MATTER
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since tested ko na ang jbl jrx115 for small set-ups and gigs and matched well with the crown lps2500 power amp, i would go for these two. 8-)
i did find some issues regarding the high frequency driver before. although this may be a common problem for a typical 2way speaker system with a 1" hf driver, we at least got a good substitute on the diaphragm since i think audiophile takes time to order the original jbl parts. p-audio is a very good replacement :-D
jbl 2412 driver on jbl jrx115 speaker system
(http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab40/jolo3200/ProAudio/jbl2412.jpg)
p-audio replacement diaphragm for the jbl 2412 driver 8-) p1200 last updated price
(http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab40/jolo3200/ProAudio/rd2412.jpg)
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Boss Jeff,
Thanks for the inputs. Replaced HF driver? bakit? madali bang masira?
Regarding specs, May kaso ba kung malaki ang difference sa Max SPL?
(JRX = 128db vs. THUMP = 113db, 15db difference) Does this mean mas malakas ang JRX? Tama ba?
A/B test? Though nadinig ko na etong dalawa na ito. It's still hard to compare since magkaiba sila ng store (Audiophile & SPL), Magkaiba din ng setup. For the Mackies, Well liked the "THUMP" they produce as they cut across the noisy streets of Raon (which was filled with crappy sounding speakers, hehehe). The JBL's I tested had very clear & soft sounds.
What about other brands? The YAMAHA's are out my budget range hehehe. How about the sigma's by B3 with the 2" HF driver? Comparable ba sila?
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Boss Jeff,
Thanks for the inputs. Replaced HF driver? bakit? madali bang masira?
Regarding specs, May kaso ba kung malaki ang difference sa Max SPL?
(JRX = 128db vs. THUMP = 113db, 15db difference) Does this mean mas malakas ang JRX? Tama ba?
A/B test? Though nadinig ko na etong dalawa na ito. It's still hard to compare since magkaiba sila ng store (Audiophile & SPL), Magkaiba din ng setup. For the Mackies, Well liked the "THUMP" they produce as they cut across the noisy streets of Raon (which was filled with crappy sounding speakers, hehehe). The JBL's I tested had very clear & soft sounds.
What about other brands? The YAMAHA's are out my budget range hehehe. How about the sigma's by B3 with the 2" HF driver? Comparable ba sila?
i use the jrx115 mainly for projects. there are incidents of hf problems as i mentioned, but no big deal since there is already a p-audio substitute for it.
as for the published specs, it's really difficult to compare using plain data sheets. your ears will be the ultimate judge :-) i haven't heard the mackie thumps but i do have old mackie srm450 monitors and they still impress me until today 8-)
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B3
quality 8/10
Durability 10/10
i have 12 units of Beta 3 speakers 4 of them passive and the rest are active, 3 yrs na yung pinakamatagal ko na b3 never pa nasira :lol:, i also have 6 units of spl ps15 last sept / oct ko lang kinuha so far wala pa naman ako nararamdaman na sira :-), gas gasin nga lang :-(
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sir,may nakacanvas ako dito sa Dagupan City (Pangasinan) na EVo speakers woth 28,000php with stands na. Yung church namin is about 2-3 college room in size. ano kaya ang ok na speaker? I mean gano kalakas lang (mic'd din mga instruments dapat)..hehe.
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kung low budget B3 ka na sir sigurado ka pa. kung may budget JBL, RCF, QSC or yung ibang highend. tumatagal talaga at sulit.
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B3
quality 8/10
Durability 10/10
i have 12 units of Beta 3 speakers 4 of them passive and the rest are active, 3 yrs na yung pinakamatagal ko na b3 never pa nasira :lol:, i also have 6 units of spl ps15 last sept / oct ko lang kinuha so far wala pa naman ako nararamdaman na sira :-), gas gasin nga lang :-(
Boss, yun bang "quality 8/10" mo eh build quality o sound quality? Malaki rin pala ibinaba ng mga presyo nito at almost 10K/pair over the JBL's. Di naman ako "choosy" sa brand names. Habol ko lang po eh "value for my money" :-D
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Guys, pasingit na rin ako dito... ano sa 2 ang mas OK na option para ~50K price range?. Use? Occasional small band gigs, for Rental na rin kung may offer pero for most of the time naka fix sa bahay.
#1> 1pair JBL-JRX115 + Crown LPS2500
#2> 1pair Mackie THUMP (TH-15)
Im leaning towards the JBL speakers since they are made of MDF which some say "sounds better" than molded plastics. Plus makakamura ako sa upgrade options, +35K lang ang option#1 for additional speakers since ready na at capable ang amp whereas yun #2 +50K ulit.
Pero baka meron kayong ibang opinions, paki-share na lang. :-D
bro saan available ang JBL JRX115 na sinsabi mo?i like to buy a pair sana..and how much ang pair?many thanks
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Jbl :wink:
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bro saan available ang JBL JRX115 na sinsabi mo?i like to buy a pair sana..and how much ang pair?many thanks
Sa audiophile ako nag canvass. 35,800Php ang pair nito. May discount daw kapag cash at more than 25,000Php ang price ng bibilhin mo, HTH :-)
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Sa audiophile ako nag canvass. 35,800Php ang pair nito. May discount daw kapag cash at more than 25,000Php ang price ng bibilhin mo, HTH :-)
@Karlwilson,
Brad taga Starosa ka pala... dun din ako hehehe. Saan malapit studio mo?
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@Karlwilson,
Brad taga Starosa ka pala... dun din ako hehehe. Saan malapit studio mo?
nasa loob ang POOC barangay ang studio ko bro,malapit sa East Drive subdivision at Sto.Nino Church..
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ung siga series ba ng b3 un ba ung wood ang box? and cya plastic?
how much srp ng b3 ts360? sigma?
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ung siga series ba ng b3 un ba ung wood ang box? and cya plastic?
how much srp ng b3 ts360? sigma?
TS360 ay plastic molded type siya sir, yung sigma naman is S215 ang mga model with sinlge 15 woofer and 2inch compression driver, last time ng nag inquire ako sa TMS 20K daw may less pa. Kaso wala silang available as of now, baka this second week pa daw ng May ang dating.
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I would still go for these combinations:
(http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/5596/jrx115.jpg)
(http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/5215/crownlps2500.jpg)
(http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/1808/driverackpx1.jpg)
Proven sound, no amplifier issues and better control :evil:
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(http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/5596/jrx115.jpg)
+1. the jbl jrx115 still employs old (original) jbl drivers and not generics. 8-)
(http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab40/jolo3200/ProAudio/2412.jpg)
jbl 2412 hf compression driver
(http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab40/jolo3200/ProAudio/M151.jpg)
jbl m115-8a 15" woofer
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I would still go for these combinations:
(http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/5596/jrx115.jpg)
(http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/5215/crownlps2500.jpg)
(http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/1808/driverackpx1.jpg)
Proven sound, no amplifier issues and better control :evil:
N0 m0re, n0 less :-D 8-) :lol:
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I would still go for these combinations:
(http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/5596/jrx115.jpg)
(http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/5215/crownlps2500.jpg)
(http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/1808/driverackpx1.jpg)
Proven sound, no amplifier issues and better control :evil:
@sir stoney73,
ok lang din ba dbx DRPX with a passive speaker and a power amp setup like this? wouldn't the dbx DRPA be a better component in this setup? just want to know your experience on this thanks
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@sir stoney73,
ok lang din ba dbx DRPX with a passive speaker and a power amp setup like this? wouldn't the dbx DRPA be a better component in this setup? just want to know your experience on this thanks
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Sir sikyo, the Driverack PX can be used on a set-up coming from a "single amp" source. The JRX 115 is a passive speaker system and has already a built-in internal crossover just like most modern day powered systems. On the other hand, the Driverack PA/PA+ is mainly used for systems, say FOH, with bi-amped and tri-amped requirements.
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thanks for the reply sir stoney. i'm planning to add a sub or two sa setup namin presently consisting of a pair of single 10", 2-way powered speakers for FOH. worried me sa latency issues between the subs and tops, nalilito rin ako sa difference ng outs ng DRPA+ and PX, the former has separate outs for the lows, mids, and highs while the PX has 2 pairs, i suppose for the tops and subs. mukhang ngayon ko lang nalilinawan :-D i also have a 600-watt per channel RMS Crown power amp which i can use for a passive sub or a pair of passive mons. asking your opinion on the best, most cost effective setup before recommending the purchase. don't want to make a mistake, like you said, 'the wrong piece of gear at the right price is still the wrong piece of gear' :-D thanks po for the help and sorry to the mod and others kung medyo off topic po :-D
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thanks for the reply sir stoney. i'm planning to add a sub or two sa setup namin presently consisting of a pair of single 10", 2-way powered speakers for FOH. worried me sa latency issues between the subs and tops, nalilito rin ako sa difference ng outs ng DRPA+ and PX, the former has separate outs for the lows, mids, and highs while the PX has 2 pairs, i suppose for the tops and subs. mukhang ngayon ko lang nalilinawan :-D i also have a 600-watt per channel RMS Crown power amp which i can use for a passive sub or a pair of passive mons. asking your opinion on the best, most cost effective setup before recommending the purchase. don't want to make a mistake, like you said, 'the wrong piece of gear at the right price is still the wrong piece of gear' :-D thanks po for the help and sorry to the mod and others kung medyo off topic po :-D
If you wish to use the PX for your subwoofers, you can use the SUB OUTPUTS. For your powered FOH system, you will be using the OUTPUTS. Try USER10 as a start. Remember that you can always adjust the crossover frequency points. 8-)
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thanks again sir stoney. always thought the PX is limited to powered speakers only that's why i was leaning towards the PA+ for better flexibility (baka needed in the future in a different setup, you'll never know). GASsing for the cheaper PX :-D
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thanks again sir stoney. always thought the PX is limited to powered speakers only that's why i was leaning towards the PA+ for better flexibility (baka needed in the future in a different setup, you'll never know). GASsing for the cheaper PX :-D
This should how it will appear. 8-)
(http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/2479/dbxpx.jpg)
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(http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/1808/driverackpx1.jpg)
+ 1. Bravo DRPX 8-)
Using the DriveRack PX is as easy as the manual says it is. It's designed to be hooked up between the output of your mixer and the input(s) of your powered speakers, and it really can make a difference to the performance of the system. As it only takes up a single rack unit of space, it most likely won't detract from the simplicity of a powered speaker setup as there will probably be some outboard effects already in a rack — and, of course, the DriveRack PX can take the place of various separate processors such as stand-alone graphic EQ, feedback suppressors, compressors and limiters.
Whenever I use powered speaker systems as floor monitors, I utilize the built-in Auto-EQ function as well as the Peakplus limiters (in stereo). In this way, you really get TONS of headroom. The feedback suppressor or AFS is a masterpiece. I can even get more savings by not installing a conventional graphic eq. It even comes with free M2 measurement microphone, for use with the pink noise generator, RTA and auto-EQ function...
(http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab40/jolo3200/ProAudio/rtaMIC.jpg)
(http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab40/jolo3200/ProAudio/Dbx_Logo.png)