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Title: Thread on wiring, Pots, Pickups and the such.
Post by: vhunter on July 30, 2007, 05:19:55 PM
I always thought wiring was either modern or vintage, 500k pots for humbuckers and 250k pots for single coils. Man was I wrong. I just realized you can use 250k pots with humbuckers to get a more warm and bassy sound. It doesnt boost the bass but rather kills some highs pronouncing the mids and bass. I was so surprised to learn this. Basically, with 500k pots I found that my guitar sounded a little hars.. ala page... but with the 250k pots.. it was more santana ish. It still had the bite and all but was really meaty.
What kind of pots do you guys use on your guitars .. how is it wired and why? I know there are some electronic whizzes here...and alot of this has to do with loading. Could you explain how it works... and how do different configurations help the sound.. and lastly what the hell do the 3 lugs do in a pot?
TNKS TNKS :D
Title: Re: Thread on wiring, Pots, Pickups and the such.
Post by: Poundcake on July 30, 2007, 07:27:14 PM
in a nutshell, the larger the value of the potentiometer, the brighter your tone will be. i usually install 500k pots to my humbucker-equipped guitars and 250k for my Strat/Tele. i tried using a 1 MΩ potentiometer with my EVH Wolfgang before and i enjoyed it for a while. it really gave me a bright tone that and it sort of functioned as a booster as well. i just changed my pot to 500k because i haven't been playing hard rock that much lately and i didn't need the "boosting." nowadays, i just use CTS or Callaham cryo pots.
i usually add a treble bleed capacitor/resistor combination in parallel with the left terminal (with the pot's back facing you) and the wiper of my volume pot to change how the pot responds. my favorite combination for 250k pots is a .001µF Mallory cap in parallel with a 150KΩ precision resistor. the highs are retained even if you roll off the volume pot and the taper response is more linear. connecting the resistor in series just lessens the current flow through the potentiometer, considerably varying the tonality while maintaining its logarithmic taper. for 500KΩ pots, i use a .002µF Mallory cap with no resistor in parallel.
the potentiometer's three lugs or legs are it's terminals. the left leg (with the knob facing you) is terminal A, the middle leg is the wiper terminal and the right leg is terminal B. the reason why the wires going to the output jack of the guitar are connected to the wiper and terminal B is because we'd want the potentiometer to have near-zero resistance (absolute zero resistance is ideal but very hard to achieve) when the pot's knob is turned fully clockwise and to have full resistance (e.g. 250KΩ, 500KΩ, etc.) when the knob is turned all the way to the left. the standard guitar pot (rotational type) has a movement angle of 270° from end to end. connecting the output wire to terminal A and the wiper will just reverse the orientation (full resistance at fully clockwise position, near-zero resistance at fully counterclockwise position).
Title: Re: Thread on wiring, Pots, Pickups and the such.
Post by: ritch_079 on July 30, 2007, 11:45:16 PM
in a nutshell, the larger the value of the potentiometer, the brighter your tone will be. i usually install 500k pots to my humbucker-equipped guitars and 250k for my Strat/Tele. i tried using a 1 MΩ potentiometer with my EVH Wolfgang before and i enjoyed it for a while. it really gave me a bright tone that and it sort of functioned as a booster as well. i just changed my pot to 500k because i haven't been playing hard rock that much lately and i didn't need the "boosting." nowadays, i just use CTS or Callaham cryo pots.
so ung pick up mo, kaht na round and tubular ung sound will sound strat type brilliant kung 500k pots ilalagay? i'm gassing for a pair of dmz pups kasi, and i dont know which one to choose.. so almost any pup, pag nilagyan ng 500k pot sa tone magiging brilliant?
sori, clueless talaga ako, bago palang ako sa ganitong stuff.. regarding naman sa capacitor and resistor, ano pba ibang choices? thanks.. :D
Title: Re: Thread on wiring, Pots, Pickups and the such.
Post by: Targa_midbass on July 31, 2007, 03:53:42 AM
in a nutshell, the larger the value of the potentiometer, the brighter your tone will be. i usually install 500k pots to my humbucker-equipped guitars and 250k for my Strat/Tele. i tried using a 1 MΩ potentiometer with my EVH Wolfgang before and i enjoyed it for a while. it really gave me a bright tone that and it sort of functioned as a booster as well. i just changed my pot to 500k because i haven't been playing hard rock that much lately and i didn't need the "boosting." nowadays, i just use CTS or Callaham cryo pots.
so ung pick up mo, kaht na round and tubular ung sound will sound strat type brilliant kung 500k pots ilalagay? i'm gassing for a pair of dmz pups kasi, and i dont know which one to choose.. so almost any pup, pag nilagyan ng 500k pot sa tone magiging brilliant?
sori, clueless talaga ako, bago palang ako sa ganitong stuff.. regarding naman sa capacitor and resistor, ano pba ibang choices? thanks.. :D
IMO a larger-valued potentiometer will make the guitar sound hotter and louder. :-)
Title: Re: Thread on wiring, Pots, Pickups and the such.
Post by: vegetablejoe on July 31, 2007, 06:09:57 AM
vhunter,
just out of curiosity, do the historics come with 300K pots?
...and just a thought.... maybe a 250K no-load pot would be a happy compromise between usng 250K and 500K pots.
Title: Re: Thread on wiring, Pots, Pickups and the such.
Post by: blue buddha on July 31, 2007, 10:27:04 AM
Historics usually come with 500k's wired in -- it's the standard line in which you find the 300k's. I've read somewhere it's because the 300k's (being closer to 250k's) instantly produce the more meaty sounds vhunter refers to when all controls are dimed. This is the sound more commonly associated with gibbys since the late 70's when rock became "harder" and heavier.
Personally, I prefer the wiring and the values Poundcake describes, but I don't bother with the resistor -- I'm ok with the narrower taper response of the pot. That's the way I wire most of my modern Gibbys. I find that there's added versatility in a guitar that's overly bright rather than one that's "just bright enough" because you can always dial off excess brightness through the guitar's tone knob or the amp. Also, you never know what amp you might be forced to plug into at a gig -- an overly dark sounding amp would be the death of anyone whose guitar is "just bright enough" with everything dimed. This capacity for brightness with your gibbys is key for certain genres like R&B, blues, and pop if you don't have the luxury of constantly changing guitars mid-set.
Corollary to all of that is how you normally set the controls on the guitar. I almost never start off by diming the guitar. Usually, volume's on 7 and tone's on 7 or 8 when looking for the sound and setting the level I want from the amp. This gives you a hell of a lot more latitude to play clean or dirty, thin or meaty on the fly by just twiddling the knobs on the guitar throughout the course of a song in response to how the rest of the band sounds. YMMV of course.
Title: Re: Thread on wiring, Pots, Pickups and the such.
Post by: koji on August 01, 2007, 08:53:51 AM
guys help naman please.. hassle kasi pumunta pa sa mga guitar techs e baka pwede ko naman gawin by myself.. the problem is this.. bigla lang nawala yung sound nung mid pup(dimarzio blue velvet) sa H-S-H guitar ko.. i tested the two(red and black) output terminals using a continuity tester and it seems wala namang putol.. then i sprayed like a whole can of contact cleaner on the whole electronics( vol pot, tone pot, selector) pero after that wala pa rin.. naubusan na ako ng ideas on what to do.. can anyone help me or give me ideas?!.. thanks a lot dudes!!.. :-)
Title: Re: Thread on wiring, Pots, Pickups and the such.
Post by: st0mpb0x_bahista on August 01, 2007, 09:26:20 AM
sir koji try mo tong way ko ng pag troubleshoot hehehe, una sir gamit kapo ng multitester (ohmmeter range x1) check mo yung ground connection ng mid pickup sa ground ng output jack (check mo minsan dahil sa cold solder nawawala connection niya), pag ok naman proceed kasa 2nd step, try mo idesolder yung positive pickup lead ng mid pickup sa lug ng mid pickup selector, icheck mo naman yung continuity ng mid pickup selector sa positive lead ng output jack (gamit kapa rin ng ohmmeter range x1), minsan kasi dumudumi yung connection ng pickup selector kaya suspect din to pag nawawala yung tunog ng pickup. hehe eto na yung pinakalast desolder mo na yung pickup leads sa selector tapos check mo na yung continuity ng coil gamit ka ng ohmmeter range x10, pag ok naman yung resistance reading niya hehe ibig sabihin ok yung condition ng pickups mo, pero pag infinite yung reading niya (0 ohms) sir shorted yung pickup coil mo. pag walang reading ng resistance yung pickups may possibility na busted yung coil ng pickups mo.
Title: Re: Thread on wiring, Pots, Pickups and the such.
Post by: vhunter on August 01, 2007, 10:02:29 AM
historics come with 500k pots. I personally dont like them so much because the taper isnt that great. It sounds good on 10 but the range from 4-10 makes almost no difference with a sudden drop off. I switch them out for 550k pots and get better caps. That helps the guitar alot... But yeah, its a very open sounding tone you get from that kind of rig. More mids and highs.
I wouldnt think you get more of anything ... just less of something (coz its not active) when you change the value of your pots so blue buddah may have a point about running the pots at 7 to get the equivalent of a 300k pot. Problem is ... the taper is not the same. As you cut the volume on a 550k pot you lose more highs as you roll down causing the lower end of the spectrum to sound muffled... also the bass gets flubby. With a 250k pot you have a more gradual slope of frequency drops ass you roll down the volume.
Both have their applications and are great. Im thinking if you have a very bright rig, a 250k pot might help... if you have an overly dark rig 550's may do the trick. But what i did realize is that on the high frets (when noodling around) 250's sound much much sweeter and meaty. 550's tend to sound harsh... lol... wish i could have the frequency response of a 550 for riffing around and the sound of a 250 for soloing.
I think it also depends on what type of music your playing. If your into pop/classic rock stuff... I think a 500 setup would be great so you can cut the mix. For metal though... i think 250k pots would add extra body and ummmph specially for a 1 guitarist setup (like me). BTW ... the baker came with 250k's all around. I found it really weird... so now im all up for experimenting coz it was a really nice surprise.
Title: Re: Thread on wiring, Pots, Pickups and the such.
Post by: st0mpb0x_bahista on August 01, 2007, 01:02:33 PM
mga sir dapat din po iconsider yung tone at characteristic ng pickup mismo, sa tingin ko ito ang may malaking factor talaga sa tone ng gitara, sumunod sa tone wood type ng gitara.
Title: Re: Thread on wiring, Pots, Pickups and the such.
Post by: PRSMan on August 01, 2007, 01:43:38 PM
vhunter -- how's #59 doing? still loving it i'm sure!
got a question for you and the rest. i'm planning to replace the pots of one of my singlecuts. have you guys tried the stuff from rs guitarworks? if so, sulit ba? cts makes their stuff and supposedly specially designed yung sa kanila. is that true? or am i okay going for "regular" cts pots?
Title: Re: Thread on wiring, Pots, Pickups and the such.
Post by: koji on August 01, 2007, 01:56:33 PM
sir koji try mo tong way ko ng pag troubleshoot hehehe, una sir gamit kapo ng multitester (ohmmeter range x1) check mo yung ground connection ng mid pickup sa ground ng output jack (check mo minsan dahil sa cold solder nawawala connection niya), pag ok naman proceed kasa 2nd step, try mo idesolder yung positive pickup lead ng mid pickup sa lug ng mid pickup selector, icheck mo naman yung continuity ng mid pickup selector sa positive lead ng output jack (gamit kapa rin ng ohmmeter range x1), minsan kasi dumudumi yung connection ng pickup selector kaya suspect din to pag nawawala yung tunog ng pickup. hehe eto na yung pinakalast desolder mo na yung pickup leads sa selector tapos check mo na yung continuity ng coil gamit ka ng ohmmeter range x10, pag ok naman yung resistance reading niya hehe ibig sabihin ok yung condition ng pickups mo, pero pag infinite yung reading niya (0 ohms) sir shorted yung pickup coil mo. pag walang reading ng resistance yung pickups may possibility na busted yung coil ng pickups mo.
thanks a lot sa tulong mo bro.. try ko agad yung tips mo pagbalik ko sa bahay from work.. more power!.. :-D
Title: Re: Thread on wiring, Pots, Pickups and the such.
Post by: ritch_079 on August 01, 2007, 02:14:08 PM
diba ung mga capacitors may factor rin sa tone ng guitar? ano po diff nila sa isa't isa? does certain pups sound better sa ibang caps? or kaht na anong caps pwde sa kahit anong pups.. thanks..
Title: Re: Thread on wiring, Pots, Pickups and the such.
Post by: vhunter on August 01, 2007, 02:20:32 PM
RS is the way to go! It's a little bit mroe expensive but you get a lesser deviation from spec. Buying cts pots can ragne you anywhere from 450 to 550. Luck of the draw lang talaga. RS 550 pots are +/- 10 so you have tighter tolerances. The taper is also really nice. Even control throughout the sweep. I used to have them on all my les pauls. Im putting a set in my r9 now.. should be back tomorrow. :D
For singlecuts... id suggest you buy a 550kit and also get 2 extra 280k pots (for volume) just to experiment.
Title: Re: Thread on wiring, Pots, Pickups and the such.
Post by: schnitzerz4 on August 02, 2007, 05:09:31 AM
mga sir eto po stupid question okay po ba itong mga pickups na ito? di pa ako kasi nakakaexperience magkaroon ng ibang pickups lahat sila yung stock lang nung guitar hehehehe hanggang sa mabenta di pa napapalitan =) i want to order this one sana okay po ba sya? tsaka po pala yung pots ano po maganda kunin? para abay sabay na order =)
thanks po =) eto po pala yung pickups =) or baka may suggestion pa kayo na mas okay =) thanks
DiMarzio DP182 Fast Track 2 Pickup DiMarzio DP117 HS-3 Guitar Pickup DiMarzio DP415 Area '58 Pickup
Title: Re: Thread on wiring, Pots, Pickups and the such.
Post by: progressive_pilipinas on August 02, 2007, 05:40:37 AM
ive checked my guitar and found 500k pots already installed in it.
Honestly, i dont know why i should change the pots or its wiring. I dont understand a thing about these things. Could someone give me some info on this or links instead. Thanks.
in a nutshell, the larger the value of the potentiometer, the brighter your tone will be. i usually install 500k pots to my humbucker-equipped guitars and 250k for my Strat/Tele. i tried using a 1 MΩ potentiometer with my EVH Wolfgang before and i enjoyed it for a while. it really gave me a bright tone that and it sort of functioned as a booster as well. i just changed my pot to 500k because i haven't been playing hard rock that much lately and i didn't need the "boosting." nowadays, i just use CTS or Callaham cryo pots.
i usually add a treble bleed capacitor/resistor combination in parallel with the left terminal (with the pot's back facing you) and the wiper of my volume pot to change how the pot responds. my favorite combination for 250k pots is a .001µF Mallory cap in parallel with a 150KΩ precision resistor. the highs are retained even if you roll off the volume pot and the taper response is more linear. connecting the resistor in series just lessens the current flow through the potentiometer, considerably varying the tonality while maintaining its logarithmic taper. for 500KΩ pots, i use a .002µF Mallory cap with no resistor in parallel.
the potentiometer's three lugs or legs are it's terminals. the left leg (with the knob facing you) is terminal A, the middle leg is the wiper terminal and the right leg is terminal B. the reason why the wires going to the output jack of the guitar are connected to the wiper and terminal B is because we'd want the potentiometer to have near-zero resistance (absolute zero resistance is ideal but very hard to achieve) when the pot's knob is turned fully clockwise and to have full resistance (e.g. 250KΩ, 500KΩ, etc.) when the knob is turned all the way to the left. the standard guitar pot (rotational type) has a movement angle of 270° from end to end. connecting the output wire to terminal A and the wiper will just reverse the orientation (full resistance at fully clockwise position, near-zero resistance at fully counterclockwise position).
You did all these by yourself? well ive read some and would like to apply that treble bleed-something to my guitar. But i just dont know how to do it. links?sites? thanks bro!
Title: Re: Thread on wiring, Pots, Pickups and the such.
Post by: st0mpb0x_bahista on August 02, 2007, 07:31:45 AM
sir progressive try mo lang yung nsa pic sa site. gawin mo to sa volume control ng gitara tapos try mo yung capacitor/resistor values na ginagamit ni sir poundcake for treble bleed
You did all these by yourself? well ive read some and would like to apply that treble bleed-something to my guitar. But i just dont know how to do it. links?sites? thanks bro!
yup :)
try this site: http://www.bothner.co.za/articles/volumepot2.shtml
Title: Re: Thread on wiring, Pots, Pickups and the such.
Post by: ritch_079 on August 02, 2007, 02:22:56 PM
san po mkakahanap ng treble bleed caps? capacitors rin ba yan like the ones being sold sa deeco? parehas ba yan sa orange drops? sa epektos.com? :D
Title: Re: Thread on wiring, Pots, Pickups and the such.
Post by: progressive_pilipinas on August 02, 2007, 09:12:37 PM
You did all these by yourself? well ive read some and would like to apply that treble bleed-something to my guitar. But i just dont know how to do it. links?sites? thanks bro!
yup :)
try this site: http://www.bothner.co.za/articles/volumepot2.shtml
thanks bro. :-)
@ st0mpb0x_bahista
yes bro. thanks. :-)
Title: Re: Thread on wiring, Pots, Pickups and the such.
Post by: fraudulentzodiac on August 03, 2007, 01:24:19 PM
wow sa tagal kong di nag-OL may ganitong thread na pala, anyway comments on the new Fender S-1 Switching system anyone?
Title: Re: Thread on wiring, Pots, Pickups and the such.
Post by: tejadster on August 12, 2007, 09:09:51 PM
meron kse akong strat 3 single coil may masusugest ba kayo na wiring? at ano yung tunog na kalalabasan? :-D :-D
Title: Re: Thread on wiring, Pots, Pickups and the such.
Post by: reps on August 12, 2007, 09:17:45 PM
sir progressive try mo lang yung nsa pic sa site. gawin mo to sa volume control ng gitara tapos try mo yung capacitor/resistor values na ginagamit ni sir poundcake for treble bleed
Are those orange drops? BTW, what do orange drops and other capacitors do? :?
Title: Re: Thread on wiring, Pots, Pickups and the such.
Post by: pizarro84 on August 12, 2007, 09:21:07 PM
Mga sir just got a push pull pot, tanong ko lang kung ano ba ang diagram nung mga pins nun, 6 pin pi sha (yung push pull module). Naghahanap po kasi ako ng diagram nun (which pin is connected to who pag naka push or naka pull) wala ako mahanap sa net. Thanks
Title: Re: Thread on wiring, Pots, Pickups and the such.
Post by: tejadster on August 12, 2007, 09:30:24 PM
Mga sir just got a push pull pot, tanong ko lang kung ano ba ang diagram nung mga pins nun, 6 pin pi sha (yung push pull module). Naghahanap po kasi ako ng diagram nun (which pin is connected to who pag naka push or naka pull) wala ako mahanap sa net. Thanks
saan mo na bili yung push pull pot? oo nga saan ko ilalagay yung wires nun? balak ko kseng gawin yung richie sambora strat wiring...
Title: Re: Thread on wiring, Pots, Pickups and the such.
Post by: pizarro84 on August 12, 2007, 09:33:42 PM
Mga sir just got a push pull pot, tanong ko lang kung ano ba ang diagram nung mga pins nun, 6 pin pi sha (yung push pull module). Naghahanap po kasi ako ng diagram nun (which pin is connected to who pag naka push or naka pull) wala ako mahanap sa net. Thanks
saan mo na bili yung push pull pot? oo nga saan ko ilalagay yung wires nun? balak ko kseng gawin yung richie sambora strat wiring...
Guitar classifieds, from sir Qwi..
Title: Re: Thread on wiring, Pots, Pickups and the such.
Post by: tejadster on August 12, 2007, 09:37:02 PM
magkano?
Title: Re: Thread on wiring, Pots, Pickups and the such.
Post by: embot on August 12, 2007, 10:20:44 PM
Mga sir just got a push pull pot, tanong ko lang kung ano ba ang diagram nung mga pins nun, 6 pin pi sha (yung push pull module). Naghahanap po kasi ako ng diagram nun (which pin is connected to who pag naka push or naka pull) wala ako mahanap sa net. Thanks
Try mo guitarelectronics.com under pickup wiring. Kung wala kang mahanap doon, PM mo ko at specify mo exactly kung ano ang gusto mong ma achieve with the push-pull pot.
Title: Re: Thread on wiring, Pots, Pickups and the such.
Post by: progressive_pilipinas on September 18, 2007, 05:23:17 AM
try this site: http://www.bothner.co.za/articles/volumepot2.shtml
hi! ive installed a 0.001µF cap into my 500k volume pot, without a resistor. Since Bothner said its what he usually did with his humbucker type guitars. Guess what!? my guitar sounded bright or is it just me? I just needed the treble to bleed through.
but yes, my highs were retained when i lowered the volume.
Should i really install a resistor and should i replace it with 0.002µF cap?
Any comments appreciated. Thanks!
Title: Re: Thread on wiring, Pots, Pickups and the such.
Post by: bluenote on September 18, 2007, 05:55:42 AM
Ako I stick with the original Fender wiring. May naiiba kasi sa sound pag nag pa Blend pickup wiring eh...
I find the treble bleed thing very usefull so I have it...
I also wire one tone pot for the bridge and one for the neck and mid pup para may control ako sa Bridge pup...
I stick with 250k pots cause in my opinion they are still the best for strats...
Measure your pots dapat d bababa ng 240k ang value iba na kc tunog pag mababa. Kahit nakasulat 250k kung minsan mas mababa kya imeasure mo muna before you buy...
Title: Re: Thread on wiring, Pots, Pickups and the such.
Post by: juan sinko on September 18, 2007, 10:08:50 AM
ako dun sa project restoration ko sa first guitar ng cousin ko we use 500k pots kc ans pickup setup nya ay s-s-h kc mas matgal masunog o masira ang 500k kesa sa 250k,kasi kapag 250 gnamit mo the more na bababad ango mtagall k ngplay sa isang gig the more risk ka masunogan o masiraan ng pot especially 250k
Title: Re: Thread on wiring, Pots, Pickups and the such.
Post by: Poundcake on September 18, 2007, 10:22:22 AM
hi! ive installed a 0.001µF cap into my 500k volume pot, without a resistor. Since Bothner said its what he usually did with his humbucker type guitars. Guess what!? my guitar sounded bright or is it just me? I just needed the treble to bleed through.
but yes, my highs were retained when i lowered the volume.
Should i really install a resistor and should i replace it with 0.002µF cap?
Any comments appreciated. Thanks!
Yeah, naturally magiging trebly yung sound pag capacitor lang yung sinalpak mo. Try adding a 120-150kΩ resistor in parrallel with the capacitor. The purpose of the resistor is to act as a "bleeder" for the capacitor. Ang effect nyan dapat is pag niroll off mo yung volume knob mo, hindi lang highs yung mareretain. Mas buo na yung signal pag ginalaw mo yung volume knob mo :)
Title: Re: Thread on wiring, Pots, Pickups and the such.
Post by: zphunkz on September 19, 2007, 05:37:58 PM
it will affect ba my tone if ill just gonna buy a ordinary 250k pots? kasi i asked sa audiophile 260 pesos 1pc of 250k pots..ang mahal naman..
sa sta.mesa kasi 20 pesos lang eh..may difference ba pag branded? sa tone?
Title: Re: Thread on wiring, Pots, Pickups and the such.
Post by: bluenote on September 19, 2007, 10:27:41 PM
Title: Re: Thread on wiring, Pots, Pickups and the such.
Post by: ritch_079 on September 20, 2007, 01:17:26 AM
i have a strat here na s-s-s with 2 tone pots para sa neck and mid.. i'm planning to re-wire it para maging isang master tone control, and the otherone as blend control.. may nakita na akong schematics.. http://www.kinman.com/images/inside/toneWorkshop/tone/Strat_Wirogram.PDF
..so tanong ko lang kung san po makakakuha ng .022uf caps na 630volt.. lahat ba ng types ng caps pwde ilagay dito? or may specific na caps lang.. like orangedrop, oil film... and the stuff.. i'm really new sa electronics.. thanks!!
san pala mkakakuha ng 500k pots rin? thanks!!
Title: Re: Thread on wiring, Pots, Pickups and the such.
Post by: zphunkz on September 21, 2007, 12:02:45 PM
where did u guys purchase the resistor and capacitors for your guitars?
Title: Re: Thread on wiring, Pots, Pickups and the such.
Post by: ritch_079 on September 22, 2007, 02:18:36 PM
up for the question.. hehe.. san mkakabili ng caps?? meron ba alexan or deeco? hehe
Title: Re: Thread on wiring, Pots, Pickups and the such.
Post by: skizok on September 23, 2007, 01:34:18 PM
Title: Re: Thread on wiring, Pots, Pickups and the such.
Post by: goodmorningtowel on September 24, 2007, 10:10:27 AM
What is the difference between 250K & 500K pots? Either 250K or 500K pots can be used with any passive pickups however the pot values will affect tone slightly. The rule is: Using higher value pots (500K) will give the guitar a brighter sound and lower value pots (250K) will give the guitar a slightly warmer sound. This is because higher value pots put less of a load on the pickups which prevents treble frequencies from "bleeding" to ground through the pot and being lost. For this reason, guitars with humbuckers like Les Pauls use 500K pots to retain more highs for a slightly brighter tone and guitars with single coils like Stratocasters and Telecasters use 250K pots to add some warmth by slightly reducing the highs. You can also fine tune the sound by changing the pot values regardless of what pot value the guitar originally had. What is the difference between Audio and Linear taper pots? Audio and Linear taper pots have the same total resistance but differ in which position of rotation the pot will reach the 50% value. Linear pots are usually marked with a B or Lin (examples 250KB, B250K, 250K Lin) and will reach 50% of its total resistance in the 50% rotation point. Audio taper pots are usually marked with an A or Aud (examples 500KA, A500K 500K Aud) and will decrease most of the resistance in the last 50% of the rotation. This can give a more gradual audio reduction is some cases. Most manufactures and builders either use Audio taper pots for volume and tone or linear for volume and audio for tone. However, if a problem of exists where a volume or tone pot has no effect on the sound, try a changing the taper. How to check the taper with an ohm meter: Set the pot to the center position (50% rotation) and measure the resistance between the center pin and each of the outer pins. If the the resistance is equal (50% of the pots value) the pot is linear. If the values are not equal, the pot is an Audio taper.
What is a Fender TBX tone control and how does it work? Some Fender guitars come equipped with a special pot called a TBX Tone Control T (treble) B (bass) X (Cut) that cuts either treble or bass instead of a tone pot that cuts treble frequencies only. This is done with a ganged 500K-1M ohm control pot that is wired to work as a low-pass filter in one direction and a high-pass filter in the opposite direction. A center detent in the middle position is provided for the off or "flat" position. Although Fender altered their Start tone configuration to have the TBX control the middle and bridge pickups, it can be also be wired as a master treble/bass control. The TBX can also be used in place of any standard tone control on any guitar.
What is a Fender No Load tone control and how does it work? The Fender No Load Pot is used on some USA Strats, Teles and Fender basses and is wired like a standard tone control. From settings 1-9 it works like a standard tone then clicks in at 10 (full clockwise/ bright setting) and removes the pot and capacitor from the circuit. This eliminates the path to ground that exists with standard pots even in the full treble position. By eliminating the path to ground thru the pot, the only load on the pickup is the volume pot. So if 250K pots are used, the load is reduced from 125K to 250K and if 500K pots are used, the load is reduced from 250K to 500K (high resistance = low load) The reduced load allows more power output from he pickup and reduces the amount of high frequencies that bleed off to ground. This gives a noticeable increase in brightness and output in the full treble setting. The no load pot can be used in place of any standard tone control on any guitar or bass. How does the tone capacitor value affect the sound of the guitar? Most guitars and basses with passive pickups use between .01 and .1MFD (Microfarad) tone capacitors with .02 (or .022) and .05 (or .047) being the most common choices. The capacitor and tone pot are wired together to provide a variable low pass filter. This means when the filter is engaged (tone pot is turned) only the low frequencies pass to the output jack and the high frequencies are grounded out (cut) In this application, the capacitor value determines the "cutoff frequency" of the filter and the position of the tone pot determines how much the highs (everything above the cutoff frequency) will be reduced. So the rule is: Larger capacitors will have lower cutoff frequency and sound darker in the bass setting because a wider range of frequencies is being reduced. Smaller capacitors will have a higher cutoff frequency and sound brighter in the bass setting because only the ultra high frequencies are cut. For this reason, dark sounding guitars like Les Pauls with humbuckers typically use .02MFD (or .022MFD) capacitors to cut off less of the highs and guitars like Strats and Teles with single coils typically use .05MFD capacitors to allow more treble to be rolled off. Keep in mind that the capacitor value only affects the sound when the tone control is being used (pot in the bass setting) The tone capacitor value will have little to no effect on the sound when the tone pot is in the treble setting. Does the number of control pots used affect the sound? Yes: Since the load on the pickups is determined by the total parallel resistance of all pots that are being used at a atime, using fewer pots will reduce the overall load and give a slightly brighter sound. Also, connecting more pots is the same as using lower value pots, two 500K pots will loose or "bleed" the same amount of treble frequencies as one 250K pot. To lessen the effect, switching should be designed (when possible ) to remove pots from the circuit when the related pickup is not selected. An example of this is the Les Paul: bridge controls are out of the circuit when in the selector is in the neck position and the neck controls are out of the circuit when the selector is in the bridge position.
Pickup and Switch FAQs
What is the difference between single & four wire humbuckers? Single wire humbuckers, (also called single conductor) have the link between the two individual coils hard wired together internally. They also have one coil lead hard wired to ground. This means the pickup can not be coil split, reverse phased or switched to parallel. These pickups usually have a metal braided coaxial output wire. (braid=ground and the center wire=hot) Four wire humbuckers have both wires from each coil plus a ground wire (usually bare wire) all in one cabel to allow thw cois to be split, reverse phase or switched to parallel with custom and optional switching. For standard humbucker wiring (series-in phase) two of the wires (series link/ coil tap wires) are connected together and the remaining two wires are used as hot and ground. (the wire used as the ground is combined with the bare ground wire and soldered to the back of the volume pot or other ground spot. The wire used as hot is soldered to the pickup switch or volume pot. What are the differences between coil tap, series/parallel & reverse phase? With a single 4 wire humbucker, there are six possible modes. (Diagrams & Switch Usage) 1. Series-In Phase This is the standard humbucker wiring. Maximum power output with strong bass and smooth attack. (hum canceling) 2. Single Coil (South) Just the South coil of the pickup alone. Good traditional single coil tone with a sharper attack. (not hum canceling) Use in combination (series or parallel) humbucker in "North coil mode" or a standard single coil (north) for a hum canceling Strat/ P.R.S. style tone. 3. Single Coil (North) Just north coil of the pickup alone. Almost the same tone as the south coil but slightly different due to its different position. (not hum canceling) Use in combination (series or parallel) with another humbucker in "South coil mode" or a standard single coil (South) for a hum canceling Strat/P.R.S. style of tone. 4. Parallel-In Phase Great single coil style tone with no hum. Best option for clean, bright tone without the noise of standard single coil wiring. Strong treble with crisp attack but lower power output. (hum canceling) 5. Series-Out of Phase Thin "phased" sound with good power. Great for funk. (not hum canceling) 6. Parallel-Out of Phase Thinner "phased" sound with low power. (not hum canceling)
Title: Re: Thread on wiring, Pots, Pickups and the such.
Post by: tele-user on September 24, 2007, 04:52:27 PM
i installed a GFS bridge pickup on my les paul and now when i put the switch in the middle position on the 3 way selector, the volume drops considerably. and its all from the bridge pickup. also, the volume pot doesnt work quite as well as it used to. i dont know what went wrong. help! hehe :-) btw, the bridge pickup i installed is a 4 wire humbucker, and the stock pickup on the neck position is a 2 wire humbucker.
pls help me figure out what's wrong. thanks! :-)
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Post by: progressive_pilipinas on September 25, 2007, 04:12:15 AM
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Post by: paengkee on October 29, 2007, 10:34:11 PM
...entiometers.. i have a problem about the vol pot on my washburn n1. its a push pull pot but as a volume pot, it sucks. gradual lang ang decrease then poof. its gone. is there anything wrong with the pot? should i change it? do i have the wrong kind of pot? please help.
and oh to those who didnt realize it already, this post isnt about the "wonder herb"
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Post by: Poundcake on October 29, 2007, 10:58:35 PM
up
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Post by: jimny on October 30, 2007, 04:40:51 AM
I have a 70s-80s yamaha lp400 and im planning to replace the pick ups any suggestion on what pick ups will sound better than the stock.
Title: Re: Thread on wiring, Pots, Pickups and the such.
Post by: rabidtongue on February 06, 2008, 09:24:08 AM
lately lang ako namulat sa wiring, pots at capacitors ng gitara...kaya may ilang questions ako:
sirs may nakatry na ba sa inyo na maglagay ng oil caps?
malaki ba difference ng oil caps kumpara sa mga orange drop caps?
salamat!
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Post by: spankyrigor on February 06, 2008, 11:45:43 AM
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Post by: pizarro84 on February 29, 2008, 01:13:32 AM
Having problems po dati soldering the ground to the metal casing of an angled neutrik plug, kelangan po ba nun ng acid flux? if ever saan po nakaka bili ng acid flux or nay safe alternatives: thanks po :-D
Title: Re: Thread on wiring, Pots, Pickups and the such.
Post by: rad_12 on March 03, 2008, 10:17:54 PM
in my one and only custom guitar here's my axe:
2 sets of humbucker pickups LP type 500k pots both for volume and tone control orange cap. i forget kung ano yung capacity niya metalcore scalarizer (from BAMFxaudio) 3 way toggle switch.
yung wirings naman niya simple lang stock pa rin yung PUP's na gamit it's not worthy to put some high-end PUP's. hehehehehe....
Title: Re: Thread on wiring, Pots, Pickups and the such.
Post by: farleysbeat on March 04, 2008, 12:03:02 AM
dami ko natututunan sa thread na ito...
may tanong po ako, simula nung palitan ko yung pick-ups ng gitara ko, parang humihina na rin pati volume kapag binababaan ko yung tone. bakit kaya naging ganun?
Title: Re: Thread on wiring, Pots, Pickups and the such.
Post by: rad_12 on March 04, 2008, 12:55:50 AM
ano pinalit mong PUP's sir ?
baka mababa capacitor mo and pots. hindi kayA?
Title: Re: Thread on wiring, Pots, Pickups and the such.
Post by: farleysbeat on March 04, 2008, 01:14:24 AM
Gifmen PAFs. di ko ginalaw sir yung cap at pots nung mga gitara ko. Ibanez SA at Ibanez ARC. Ano kayang nangyari sa tone knob? Thanks!
Title: Re: Thread on wiring, Pots, Pickups and the such.
Post by: tim_cada on March 04, 2008, 01:58:46 AM
wow, ganda nitong thread nato a... learnin alot, though im still quite scared to mess up with anything.. next time na, baka may masira pa ako or masayang na pera dahil sa maling nabili.. pero, astig kayo, tuloy lang, learnin alot here :-D
Title: Re: Thread on wiring, Pots, Pickups and the such.
Post by: blue buddha on March 04, 2008, 09:03:09 AM
i installed a GFS bridge pickup on my les paul and now when i put the switch in the middle position on the 3 way selector, the volume drops considerably. and its all from the bridge pickup. also, the volume pot doesnt work quite as well as it used to. i dont know what went wrong. help! hehe :-) btw, the bridge pickup i installed is a 4 wire humbucker, and the stock pickup on the neck position is a 2 wire humbucker.
pls help me figure out what's wrong. thanks! :-)
Two possibilities:
1. You installed the bridge pickup with its phase reversed relative to the original neck pickup. This is more likely the case if the volume drop only occurs when you flip the switch into the middle position -- the pickups are operating out-of-phase when both are on. Solution: reverse the wiring -- place what you think should be the hot leads to ground, and what you think is the pickup's ground wires to the hot position on the volume pot.
2. You may have mispaired the four wires so that the bridge pickup is operating permanently in a coil-tapped mode. Solution: review the pairings according to manufacturer's recommendation and re-pair them to operate in full coil mode.
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Post by: farleysbeat on March 04, 2008, 09:14:41 AM
2. You may have mispaired the four wires so that the bridge pickup is operating permanently in a coil-tapped mode. Solution: review the pairings according to manufacturer's recommendation and re-pair them to operate in full coil mode.
wow, ganda nitong thread nato a... learnin alot, though im still quite scared to mess up with anything.. next time na, baka may masira pa ako or masayang na pera dahil sa maling nabili.. pero, astig kayo, tuloy lang, learnin alot here :-D
kayo po ba yung kapatid ni Sarah?
Title: Re: Thread on wiring, Pots, Pickups and the such.
Post by: blue buddha on March 04, 2008, 12:11:49 PM
With 4-wire HB's, you normally solder north end and south end together and tape it off. You don't usually use these wires unless you want to add coil-tap switching.
North start is usually hot (to volume control lug), and South start goes to ground.
But you'll notice the color coding is not the same for every manufacturer. So make sure you have the colors paired correctly (north and south ends) -- this info should be with the manufacturer's literature -- solder/pair them together and tape it off. Then solder the North start (hot) wire to the volume lug and the South start to ground (to the back of a pot).
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Post by: tim_cada on March 05, 2008, 07:16:36 PM
With 4-wire HB's, you normally solder north end and south end together and tape it off. You don't usually use these wires unless you want to add coil-tap switching.
North start is usually hot (to volume control lug), and South start goes to ground.
But you'll notice the color coding is not the same for every manufacturer. So make sure you have the colors paired correctly (north and south ends) -- this info should be with the manufacturer's literature -- solder/pair them together and tape it off. Then solder the North start (hot) wire to the volume lug and the South start to ground (to the back of a pot).
Thanks sir. I've installed it now and it works and sounds great.
Just like to share. It's funny how I lived without a treble bleed cap all these years. I like how my copy les paul sounds already, but I absolutely hate how it muddies up as I turn down the volume. I'm not handy with the soldering iron, so I asked someone else to do it for me.
Now... I can tame the gain. :evil:
(And I discovered how crappy my control cavity looks. Especially when you compare it to a gibby, very neat, with premium grade components and superior craftsmanship. Doesn't bother me too much, it sounds A-ok to my ears. I'm real lucky I picked this guitar, baka nagkataon lang, all tone factors coming together.)
Before
After a brief discussion, we decided on a .001uF (1000pF) capacitor.
So for you guys who constantly use the pickup volume, and if you're satisfied with your tone at 10, it's a must-have! As you can see, it's a tiny mod, with a big difference.
Treble bleed caps work really well for some guitars and are indispensable if you work the volume pots a lot. Some other guitars don't need it as they have that fortunate combination of components that allow the guitar to stay clear and articulate even when you roll down the pot.
.001 is normally a great choice for a bleed cap -- a good starting point for almost any guitar circuit.
I can't quite make it out, but did you put one on the neck volume pot too? If you didn't..... do so immediately! That's usually the one that needs it most to remove the muddiness.
Title: Re: Thread on wiring, Pots, Pickups and the such.
Post by: blue buddha on June 26, 2008, 08:57:46 PM
pano ayusin yung scratchy pot ng volume knob sa amp??.... tama ba? :?
Unplug the amp.
Remove chassis from the amp cabinet.
Locate scratchy pot and shoot two squirts of Caig DeOxit, BluWash, Radio Shack TV Tuner Cleaner, or a contact cleaner (with lubricant) into the pot's access hole (near the contact lugs). DO THIS WITH ONE HAND IN YOUR POCKET AT ALL TIMES AND RUBBER SOLED FOOTWEAR ON YOUR FEET or you risk turning into a french fry.
Fully rotate the pot back and forth at least 10 times.
Replace the chassis.
Plug the amp back in.
Play.... and enjoy the amp without the sound of frying bacon. :-D
Title: Re: Thread on wiring, Pots, Pickups and the such.
Post by: siore on June 27, 2008, 01:06:57 AM
Treble bleed caps work really well for some guitars and are indispensable if you work the volume pots a lot. Some other guitars don't need it as they have that fortunate combination of components that allow the guitar to stay clear and articulate even when you roll down the pot.
.001 is normally a great choice for a bleed cap -- a good starting point for almost any guitar circuit.
I can't quite make it out, but did you put one on the neck volume pot too? If you didn't..... do so immediately! That's usually the one that needs it most to remove the muddiness.
I know! I kept procrastinating on having it done. I sure missed out a lot. Should've done this a long time ago.
No, I'm keeping my neck pickup as it is. I find that treble loss interesting, to say the least. But before the mod, I knew that rolling off my bridge pup volume was absolutely useless. So there... :-)
Locate scratchy pot and shoot two squirts of Caig DeOxit, BluWash, Radio Shack TV Tuner Cleaner, or a contact cleaner (with lubricant) into the pot's access hole (near the contact lugs). DO THIS WITH ONE HAND IN YOUR POCKET AT ALL TIMES AND RUBBER SOLED FOOTWEAR ON YOUR FEET or you risk turning into a french fry.
Fully rotate the pot back and forth at least 10 times.
Replace the chassis.
Plug the amp back in.
Play.... and enjoy the amp without the sound of frying bacon. :-D
The imagery works. Ingat lang tayo sir. Have someone with you at least. :-D
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Post by: jmwreck on August 10, 2008, 11:35:06 PM
so informative
Title: Re: Thread on wiring, Pots, Pickups and the such.
Post by: WittyMe on August 27, 2008, 10:43:45 PM
mga sirs pano po matanggal yung hum noise ng strat ko??? tanong ko lng po... yung strat ko kahit clean tone may hum noise pa din.. irreversible na b yung pick up?? ayoko munang palitan yung pick up. Kung pwede man marepair to. let me know po.. thanks :-)
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Post by: White Falcon on August 28, 2008, 08:41:07 AM
Hmm, about strats nga, I have a JS Schindler Strat. (Yung may kasama nang amp, tuner, stand etc.) And I was thinking if pwede ba siyang palitan ng Pickups? For example, dimarzio or humbucker? I mean, compatible ba and is it worth it?
Title: Re: Thread on wiring, Pots, Pickups and the such.
Post by: diaboliche on September 05, 2008, 10:39:35 AM
Does 500k pots for guitars come in one size? Or does it differ in size depending on the guitar you wish to install it. Thanks! :wink:
Title: Re: Thread on wiring, Pots, Pickups and the such.
Post by: BAMF on September 05, 2008, 08:24:10 PM
I "stole" Arie's configuration on his #1 strat and applied it on my Squier strat.
Basically what it does is it converts the middle knob (mid pickup tone control) into a "blend" knob which blends in the neck pickup with the rest of the signal. Then I converted the lowest knob (what used to be the neck tone control) into the master tone control. Now, I can dial in sharp and round without touching the switch. Just dial in a "blend" and the warm and soft sound of the neck pickup comes in. So its like you get the sharp tones of the bridge and the warm soft tones of the neck pickup, and all points in between.
I think I did it for someone else too. I'm going to do it again on my Fretlight strat :D . I like it e.
Title: Re: Thread on wiring, Pots, Pickups and the such.
Post by: BAMF on September 05, 2008, 08:25:53 PM
pano ayusin yung scratchy pot ng volume knob sa amp??.... tama ba? :?
contact cleaner spray mo though the "window" of the pot.
Title: Re: Thread on wiring, Pots, Pickups and the such.
Post by: beejaysoul on October 12, 2008, 12:19:46 AM
tulungan nio naman ako.. huhu normal lng ba mag feedback ang guitar pag gamit ko ung bridge pickup?.. ask lng po.. kc nag fifeedback ako eh. Or dahil sa compressor un?? May compressor kc ako eh :? help me plss
SALAMAT MGA BRO.
Title: Re: Thread on wiring, Pots, Pickups and the such.
Post by: bryanarzaga on October 12, 2008, 07:56:58 AM
Treble bleed caps work really well for some guitars and are indispensable if you work the volume pots a lot. Some other guitars don't need it as they have that fortunate combination of components that allow the guitar to stay clear and articulate even when you roll down the pot.
.001 is normally a great choice for a bleed cap -- a good starting point for almost any guitar circuit.
I can't quite make it out, but did you put one on the neck volume pot too? If you didn't..... do so immediately! That's usually the one that needs it most to remove the muddiness.
What's the best treble bleed mod you guys would recommend for an hsh guitar? I've tried installing a .001microfarad cap, but the signal becomes too bright when the volume control is rolled down (specially for the single coil pickup). I've read about putting these caps in series and parallel with a resistor for some special cases, but I really don't know what to use. My guitar is "pickguarded" and floyd-equipped, so it would be very troublesome to do trial-and-error (removing the strings first, unscrewing 10 screws, etc. in order to access the pots). Thanks! :-D
Title: Re: Thread on wiring, Pots, Pickups and the such.
Post by: siore on October 18, 2008, 10:25:03 AM
What's the best treble bleed mod you guys would recommend for an hsh guitar? I've tried installing a .001microfarad cap, but the signal becomes too bright when the volume control is rolled down (specially for the single coil pickup). I've read about putting these caps in series and parallel with a resistor for some special cases, but I really don't know what to use. My guitar is "pickguarded" and floyd-equipped, so it would be very troublesome to do trial-and-error (removing the strings first, unscrewing 10 screws, etc. in order to access the pots). Thanks! :-D
Although 1000pf works in most humbuckers, sometimes it does that. Nagiging mas bright pa when you lower volume. Go lower to the next value. 820, or 680pf, whichever becomes more transparent.
Nabasa mo na 'to? :-) http://www.projectguitar.com/tut/potm.htm
Title: Re: Thread on wiring, Pots, Pickups and the such.
Post by: progfather on October 18, 2008, 10:51:32 AM
mga sir dapat din po iconsider yung tone at characteristic ng pickup mismo, sa tingin ko ito ang may malaking factor talaga sa tone ng gitara, sumunod sa tone wood type ng gitara.
i think so too. ano bang wood ang sa tingin nyo pinaka maganda?
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Post by: ierofan on November 02, 2008, 10:45:20 AM
sir, how should i solder a cap on the pot?? awww. electrician help!
Title: Re: Thread on wiring, Pots, Pickups and the such.
Post by: ROBORATS on November 03, 2008, 05:43:04 PM
i installed a GFS bridge pickup on my les paul and now when i put the switch in the middle position on the 3 way selector, the volume drops considerably. and its all from the bridge pickup. also, the volume pot doesnt work quite as well as it used to. i dont know what went wrong. help! hehe :-) btw, the bridge pickup i installed is a 4 wire humbucker, and the stock pickup on the neck position is a 2 wire humbucker.
pls help me figure out what's wrong. thanks! :-)
pare kung di ako nagkakamali..out of phase yang GFS Pickup mo, try mo lang ibaliktad ang polarity ng GFS Mo, para lumakas ang gain...kaya kc humihina pag dalawang P.U....isa kc sa mga P.U. mo ay baliktad ang polarity...baliktarin mo lang ang wire..(i.e. yung hot gawin mong ground, at yung ground connect mo lang sa hot) Try mo
Title: Re: Thread on wiring, Pots, Pickups and the such.
Post by: ROBORATS on November 03, 2008, 05:50:54 PM
tulungan nio naman ako.. huhu normal lng ba mag feedback ang guitar pag gamit ko ung bridge pickup?.. ask lng po.. kc nag fifeedback ako eh. Or dahil sa compressor un?? May compressor kc ako eh :? help me plss
SALAMAT MGA BRO.
sir try mo i solder uli yung Grounding nya..baka natanggal lang..
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Post by: Musikerochan on November 04, 2008, 12:02:21 PM
@teleuser,
i think its normal since yung bridge plate directly mounted at lapat na lapat sa body ng guitar. try mu lagyan ng masking tape yung ilalim ng bridge plate or barahan mo ng tela yung bridge pup cavity para hindi malito yung pick up mo.
Title: Re: Thread on wiring, Pots, Pickups and the such.
Post by: mrbrownstone on November 28, 2008, 04:09:12 PM
just a question on caps esp for les paul users, anyone tried hovland/vitamin q/sprague bumblebees on you lp's? based on your experience, what are their characteristics? and how are they wired?
im happy with the rs kits i just had and was thinking if i could changing the caps would bring about signifant differences :-D
Title: Re: Thread on wiring, Pots, Pickups and the such.
Post by: ierofan on December 07, 2008, 08:34:39 AM
may naiisip lang ako, since hindi ko ginagamit yung middle pickup ng strat kong knock off lang, pwede bang ganito nalang controls ko.
2 volume knobs for each pickup. 3 way switch, bridge pickup neck pickup.
Title: Re: Thread on wiring, Pots, Pickups and the such.
Post by: mrbrownstone on December 07, 2008, 12:17:26 PM
2 volume tapos sana at least me master tone ka
Title: Re: Thread on wiring, Pots, Pickups and the such.
Post by: ierofan on December 07, 2008, 12:20:05 PM
di naman ako tonewise sir, kaya ok na muna yung bara bara lang, volume control. hehe :-D :-D :-D di pa kasi ako marunong gumamit ng tone knob, kaya laging naka 10 lang xa.
Title: Re: Thread on wiring, Pots, Pickups and the such.
Post by: diaboliche on April 29, 2009, 03:45:23 PM
Mga Sir im rewiring my SSS configuration guitar. I have 3 500k alpha pots. 1 for volume and 2 for tones. I recently purchased a 5 way selector from a Yamaha ERG 121 guitar. Sana po bigyan nyo po ako ng schematics para sa 5 way selector. Iba kasi ang mga 5 way selector na nakikita ko sa internet eh. Sana po makatulong kayo. Maraming salamat po. :-)
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Post by: yahoo! on April 29, 2009, 07:06:10 PM
Mga Sir im rewiring my SSS configuration guitar. I have 3 500k alpha pots. 1 for volume and 2 for tones. I recently purchased a 5 way selector from a Yamaha ERG 121 guitar. Sana po bigyan nyo po ako ng schematics para sa 5 way selector. Iba kasi ang mga 5 way selector na nakikita ko sa internet eh. Sana po makatulong kayo. Maraming salamat po. :-)
hope it helps http://www.seymourduncan.com/support/wiring-diagrams/
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Post by: Musikerochan on April 30, 2009, 09:07:13 AM
has anyone tried using a 6 position rotary (2P6T?) switch for an SSH config, master volume and master tone? wala akong nakita sa alexplorer.com na ganun eh.
Title: Re: Thread on wiring, Pots, Pickups and the such.
Post by: diaboliche on April 30, 2009, 10:31:38 AM
sir yahoo thank you po. :-)
Title: Re: Thread on wiring, Pots, Pickups and the such.
Post by: Musikerochan on April 30, 2009, 11:21:33 AM
ive tried na. googled it a few times, hindi sakto yung mga results sa hinahanap ko. maybe some here know other sites that i dont know yet, suggestions naman. :D
Title: Re: Thread on wiring, Pots, Pickups and the such.
Post by: diaboliche on May 03, 2009, 10:12:26 AM
Sir musikerochan: http://www.seymourduncan.com/support/wiring-diagrams/
Dito po ako kumuka ng diagram. Just finished rewiring my guitar.
Title: Re: Thread on wiring, Pots, Pickups and the such.
Post by: Musikerochan on May 04, 2009, 02:43:39 PM
ayun thanks! try ko agad basahin yung schem!
Title: Re: Thread on wiring, Pots, Pickups and the such.
Post by: diaboliche on May 05, 2009, 04:19:38 PM
Quote
Insert Quote ayun thanks! try ko agad basahin yung schem!
Your Welcome.
Title: Re: Thread on wiring, Pots, Pickups and the such.
Post by: Musikerochan on May 05, 2009, 05:03:27 PM
^ hindi pala yun. hindi sakto dun sa hinahanap ko :(
will try to contact na lang alexplorer.com. you can also check the site guys, dami mods.
Title: Re: Thread on wiring, Pots, Pickups and the such.
Post by: amacatan on May 06, 2009, 10:17:25 PM
sorry newbie questions here:
1) i have an HSS strat but i still find the bridge humbucker to be bright sounding. will replacing the pots to 250k make the bridge pickup sound warmer? i'm asking this because since the bridge pickup does not have a tone control, basically the only thing it will affect it is changing the vol pot. will changing the vol pot to 250k affect the tone?
2) do i have to let the store know whether i'm going to use the pots for vol or tone control? are there pots specifically for vol control and pots for tone control? or can they be used interchangeably as long as they are the correct specifications?
thanks!
Title: Re: Thread on wiring, Pots, Pickups and the such.
Post by: diaboliche on May 07, 2009, 10:56:48 AM
Mga sir, i just finished rewiring my SSS configuration guitar. I noticed na kapag naka zero ang tone knobs walang hissing sound but ang sound ng gitara ay medyo bassy. When i turn the tone knobs there is a hissing sound and the guitar sounds brighter. Im using 500k alpha pots in my volume and two tone knobs. :-)
Title: Re: Thread on wiring, Pots, Pickups and the such.
Post by: nathanmanansala on May 08, 2009, 04:13:43 PM
1) i have an HSS strat but i still find the bridge humbucker to be bright sounding. will replacing the pots to 250k make the bridge pickup sound warmer? i'm asking this because since the bridge pickup does not have a tone control, basically the only thing it will affect it is changing the vol pot. will changing the vol pot to 250k affect the tone?
2) do i have to let the store know whether i'm going to use the pots for vol or tone control? are there pots specifically for vol control and pots for tone control? or can they be used interchangeably as long as they are the correct specifications?
thanks!
1) changing the pots to 250k will make ALL the pickups sound warmer if they're all hooked up to the same pot. another workaround would be to wire a 250k resistor to the bridge bucker so that it "sees" a 250k pot while the other pickups "see" the whole 500k
2) you'd usually want an audio (or log) taper pot. 500k for buckers (brings out more highs) and 250k for single coils (tames the highs). for P90s, depende sa taste mo. some people use 300k for buckers too kasi gibson used to do that.
Mga sir, i just finished rewiring my SSS configuration guitar. I noticed na kapag naka zero ang tone knobs walang hissing sound but ang sound ng gitara ay medyo bassy. When i turn the tone knobs there is a hissing sound and the guitar sounds brighter. Im using 500k alpha pots in my volume and two tone knobs. :-)
yung hiss is usually part of life for single coil users unless you're using humcancelling, stacked humbuckers. rolling down the tone knob kills it kasi the hiss is in the upper frequencies. pretty much like the highs of your tone.
side note: I just bought 6 500k CTS pots from audiophile MCS. they're allparts daw. EP086. measured them with my tester and was a bit surprised by the results. They're all over the map. all but one measured below 500k (in fact, one measured 430k; thats definitely going be a tone pot). only 2 measured within +/- 5%.
I thought they'd be a bit more consistent that that. i guess +/- 10% yung tolerance nila. maybe next time i'll take my tester with me when i buy pots. i prefer using highest valued ones for the neck pickup then the next, for the bridge pickup, then neck tone, then bridge tone.
Title: Re: Thread on wiring, Pots, Pickups and the such.
Post by: diaboliche on May 11, 2009, 01:48:44 PM
Quote
yung hiss is usually part of life for single coil users unless you're using humcancelling, stacked humbuckers. rolling down the tone knob kills it kasi the hiss is in the upper frequencies. pretty much like the highs of your tone.
Thanks sir.
Title: Re: Thread on wiring, Pots, Pickups and the such.
Post by: super slinky on July 04, 2009, 08:52:38 PM
just a basic question mga sir? pano ba talaga mag palit ng pickups? sundan ko lang yung pinag tangalan ko? or kailangan ko pa sundan yung diagram na kasama? thanks sa tulong :)
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Post by: jefisipbata on October 22, 2009, 03:51:28 PM
up for this informative thread.
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Post by: Musikerochan on October 22, 2009, 04:28:20 PM
regarding the treble bleed mod, im thinking why not skip the 120k resistor and just solder the 1000pf cap on lugs 3 & 2? anyone tried it? in my experience sa stompbox kasi it has resulted to a brighter and louder output eh.
Title: Re: Thread on wiring, Pots, Pickups and the such.
Post by: siore on January 01, 2010, 01:49:08 AM
Happy New Year!!! :-D I've been tinkering with my RJ Les Paul again. I've discovered that it's wired 50's style w/independent volumes. Main distinction is that the tone circuit is connected to the output of the volume controls (the switch lug). The pickups though are wired to the center (wiper) lug, hence giving it independent volumes (no cutoff in the middle toggle position when one volume knob is zeroed).
So I wondered why I'm still needing a treble bleed cap, when a 50's wiring supposedly gives you the best treble retention when you roll your volume knob (as compared to modern wiring)... First thing I did was read the cap value. Funny I didn't care to notice it before, but it was a .047uF on both tone pots! Sure the tone knob would get dark real quick, but that didn't explain why the volume knob loses so much treble when tone pot is at 10.... hmmmm..
Anyhow, having gotten so much more confident with soldering since :-D , I turned my existing wiring from this...
To a more conventional 50's wiring layout... this time shared volumes (pups to outside lug), a .010 mylar at the neck, and a .022 at the bridge... trimmed the ridiculously long wires as well... (and while I'm at it, re-tensioned the loose output jack).
I contemplated putting back the .001uF treble bleed cap, but I plugged in, and immediately noted that I didn't need it anymore! Rolling the volume knob didn't lose treble. Tone knob was much more usable from 0-10. And I may be hearing things, but I swear there are harmonics that weren't there before. Much more open has been attributed to 50s wiring, and now that's exactly how I would describe it.
So what's changed then? Is it my change from independent volumes to shared volumes, tone cap values, the way I connected the caps (it was soldered to the back of the tone pot before), or the extra length of wire I snipped? Whatever it was, it's good to be able to squeeze more out of a guitar I like so much. I wouldn't say the base tone with everything on 10 has changed much, but the re-wiring extended the range of use I can get out of my controls. On a different note, my PRS SE is wired modern (tone circuit connected to pickup lug) with a treble bleed cap, and that guitar's controls are good as well.
But anyway, seeing as a lot of les paul guys prefer 50's wiring, I'll keep it this way for awhile. PIO caps on the way... But that's another day of comparisons.
Title: Re: Thread on wiring, Pots, Pickups and the such.
Post by: r_chino18 on January 01, 2010, 01:55:03 AM
^^^ cool siore.. i noticed that 50s wiring mod on the second pic as i ran across that when doing some research on how to do it on my SE.. 1V, 1T configuration.. you did it really clean.. good job bro.. :-) happy new year!
Title: Re: Thread on wiring, Pots, Pickups and the such.
Post by: siore on January 01, 2010, 02:34:38 AM
^^^ cool siore.. i noticed that 50s wiring mod on the second pic as i ran across that when doing some research on how to do it on my SE.. 1V, 1T configuration.. you did it really clean.. good job bro.. :-) happy new year!
How's your SE wired these days man? Hindi ko na nasundan yung thread mo sa PRS forums. Les paul type guitars have a structure e.g. pickups-->volume then tone (or tone then volume depending on scheme)-->switch-->output.
On SE guitars with 1 vol/1 tone (on my Santana SE as I've found at least), it's pickups-->switch--> tone -->volume -->output.
I'm thinking about trying 50s wiring on my SE, ditching the treble bleed, moving the tone circuit from pup to switch lug, and getting a PIO cap also. B U T .... I like the nice and tight sound I'm getting from the current setup. It's my more aggressive guitar. The RJ les paul is the one I pick up for more 'horny' tones. :-D
Title: Re: Thread on wiring, Pots, Pickups and the such.
Post by: r_chino18 on January 01, 2010, 02:40:18 AM
How's your SE wired these days man? Hindi ko na nasundan yung thread mo sa PRS forums. Les paul type guitars have a structure e.g. pickups-->volume then tone (or tone then volume depending on scheme)-->switch-->output.
On SE guitars with 1 vol/1 tone (on my Santana SE as I've found at least), it's pickups-->switch--> tone -->volume -->output.
I'm thinking about trying 50s wiring on my SE, ditching the treble bleed, moving the tone circuit from pup to switch lug, and getting a PIO cap also. B U T .... I like the nice and tight sound I'm getting from the current setup. It's my more aggressive guitar. The RJ les paul is the one I pick up for more 'horny' tones. :-D
haha.. i only have my SE to upgrade and degrade.. :lol: it's still the same wiring.. i didn't change anything.. just replaced the stock pot with a 500k Alpha push/pull pot for coil splitting.. hindi narin ako masyado active sa kabila.. i visit there pag may gear pics na talaga namang mismo.. :lol:
i still don't know how to wire it 50s style pero i'll go more into it when i replace the neck pup with an SD 59n.. haha.. RJ for the 'horny' tones.. cool.. :-) :-)
my SE is undergoing some cosmetic changes.. not major.. some accessories to improve cosmetics.. hopefully it will be done before summer.. :-)
Title: Re: Thread on wiring, Pots, Pickups and the such.
Post by: siore on January 14, 2010, 11:01:20 PM
anyways, i have a custom-made les paul special with P90's in it.my questions are:
1.ok lang ba na magkaiba yung magnets ng pickups?yung neck p90 eh ceramic while the bridge is alnico 2.
2.of the two pot values,which do you prefer for a P90? 250K or 500K
3.sa capacitors naman,.22 or .47?
3.eto naman ang di ko magawa kahit anong configuration ang gawin ko.bakit kaya ayaw mag-hum-cancelling ng P90's ko sa middle position??? :-(
thanks in advance!!!!! :-D
mas maganda sa neck ang alnico2.. mas acoustic sounding.. tapos sa bridge mo ilagay yung ceramic.. :-)
usually 500k pot with .47uF capacitor..
i don't know kung bakit hindi magcancel pero dapat pag naka-on sila pareho, hum cancelling na.. same principle with single coils.. :-)
Title: Re: Thread on wiring, Pots, Pickups and the such.
Post by: diaboliche on January 15, 2010, 11:49:54 AM
Mga sir pahingi naman po ng schematic ng 3 way switch. Meron kasi akon 3 way switch na galing sa Yamaha guitar. Gusto kong e ilagay sa strat ko. Wala kasi akong makitang schematic eh. Thanks po.
Title: Re: Thread on wiring, Pots, Pickups and the such.
Post by: siore on January 15, 2010, 01:31:53 PM
anyways, i have a custom-made les paul special with P90's in it.my questions are:
1.ok lang ba na magkaiba yung magnets ng pickups?yung neck p90 eh ceramic while the bridge is alnico 2.
2.of the two pot values,which do you prefer for a P90? 250K or 500K
3.sa capacitors naman,.22 or .47?
3.eto naman ang di ko magawa kahit anong configuration ang gawin ko.bakit kaya ayaw mag-hum-cancelling ng P90's ko sa middle position??? :-(
thanks in advance!!!!! :-D
Can't speak for P-90's as I don't have much info on them, but the way you learn these things is to dig up as many wiring diagrams as you can.. then compare with your stock wiring. Maybe you'll find out why the hum doesn't cancel in the middle position? Sa RJ ko nga, I just recently found out na .047 yung stock caps. Only when I looked at the wiring closely! That's why it got muddy too fast. I think pati yung bypassed tone apektado, kasi re-wire lang medyo nag-open yung tunog.
Sa value ng tone caps, try mo yung higher value (ex. .047). Observe mo kung ok yung tone rolloff. Kung masyadong nagiging dark yung tunog (masyadong maraming highs yung nafi-filter), palit ka ng lower value. Again, wala ako alam sa P-90s :-D pero sa neck humbucker ko, I went as low as .010uF, compared to the usual .022's everybody's putting. Swak na swak.
Title: Re: Thread on wiring, Pots, Pickups and the such.
Post by: diaboliche on January 18, 2010, 10:19:23 AM
Mga Sir patulong naman dito sa 5 way switch ko. Hindi ko kasi alam ang diagram nito. 3 single coils, 1 volume and 2 tones ang project guitar ko. Eto po pic ng 5 way switch ko.
Title: Re: Thread on wiring, Pots, Pickups and the such.
Post by: diaboliche on January 19, 2010, 12:58:05 PM
Up ko to. Need help pa rin sa selector switch ko.
Title: Re: Thread on wiring, Pots, Pickups and the such.
Post by: Musikerochan on January 19, 2010, 04:11:19 PM
alexplorer.net. daming wiring schemes *wink*wink*
Title: Re: Thread on wiring, Pots, Pickups and the such.
Post by: antonius299 on February 22, 2010, 03:55:06 PM
I have a problem, maybe someone can help.
whenever I play at events that use big amps (30watts and up), I use my pedals (zoom g1x, boston oc-200, boston cs-200, and a gtx od-100) and I try to up the volume on the amp but I always get feedback. my guitar is some generic strat copy I got in quiapo, so I think it might be because of the pick-ups....any ideas?
Title: Re: Thread on wiring, Pots, Pickups and the such.
Post by: bendedbeam on August 03, 2010, 09:09:08 AM
Just saw the youtube video on the 25th Anniv Music Man. Meron syang parallel-series switch, parang mas ok kung naka series wired yung pick-ups--mas ballsy yung tone. Are there any downside to wiring your PUs in series?
Title: Re: Thread on wiring, Pots, Pickups and the such.
Post by: pitongjerome on August 03, 2010, 09:31:36 AM
whenever I play at events that use big amps (30watts and up), I use my pedals (zoom g1x, boston oc-200, boston cs-200, and a gtx od-100) and I try to up the volume on the amp but I always get feedback. my guitar is some generic strat copy I got in quiapo, so I think it might be because of the pick-ups....any ideas?
almost every guitar ay magkaka feedback pag high volume, high gain ang setting.. lalo na pag malapit ka sa amp..
isa pa is the pickups, kung hindi potted, it may contribute to the feedback..
or poor wiring.. or not properly shielded.. or dahil sa strat ka, 60 cycle hum..
dami pwedeng dahilan eh.. try to eliminate one of those to diagnose the real problem..
Title: Re: Thread on wiring, Pots, Pickups and the such.
Post by: bluemax on August 03, 2010, 12:50:48 PM
hi, i'm a newbie here. i want to change the neck stock pickup of my ibanez rg350 to a dimarzio evolution pickup. hope you guys could give me help on the wirings. Thanks!
Title: Re: Thread on wiring, Pots, Pickups and the such.
Post by: Musikerochan on August 03, 2010, 01:08:09 PM
hi, i'm a newbie here. i want to change the neck stock pickup of my ibanez rg350 to a dimarzio evolution pickup. hope you guys could give me help on the wirings. Thanks!
try alexplorer.net.
Title: Re: Thread on wiring, Pots, Pickups and the such.
Post by: r_chino18 on August 03, 2010, 01:08:39 PM
hi, i'm a newbie here. i want to change the neck stock pickup of my ibanez rg350 to a dimarzio evolution pickup. hope you guys could give me help on the wirings. Thanks!
if you'll be getting the pickup brand new bro, there's supposed to be a wiring diagram na kasama nun.. if not, maraming wiring diagram resources for dimarzio sa net.. color coded naman ang wires nila and defined kung san pupunta ang particular wire so it won't be much of a problem.. :-)
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Post by: bluemax on August 03, 2010, 02:06:59 PM
@r_chino18 @Musikerochan... thanks for the support and quick reply!
I followed the color schematic carefully from the original diagram that comes with it, the sound is great on the 1st position of my rg350 5way switch, but on the second position sounds off and kind of thin. anymore advice on this matter is greatly appreciated. Thanks and more power on this thread!
Title: Re: Thread on wiring, Pots, Pickups and the such.
Post by: rockchops_14 on August 03, 2010, 02:14:24 PM
@r_chino18 @Musikerochan... thanks for the support and quick reply!
I followed the color schematic carefully from the original diagram that comes with it, the sound is great on the 1st position of my rg350 5way switch, but on the second position sounds off and kind of thin. anymore advice on this matter is greatly appreciated. Thanks and more power on this thread!
got that same problem when i replaced my humbucker on my rg550 try reversing the mid pup bro
Title: Re: Thread on wiring, Pots, Pickups and the such.
Post by: bluemax on August 03, 2010, 02:36:36 PM
how'd you do that? you mean reversing the polarity of the wiring? i didn't change the original infs3 mid pickup. appreciate your response bro!
Title: Re: Thread on wiring, Pots, Pickups and the such.
Post by: zyehj on September 16, 2010, 02:41:26 PM
pwede ba ang ordinary 5way switch sa line6 variax tigas n kse ng selector switch ko e
Title: Re: Thread on wiring, Pots, Pickups and the such.
Post by: zyehj on September 16, 2010, 03:10:51 PM
compared to CTS, ALPHA anu bang brand and high quality pots?
Title: Re: Thread on wiring, Pots, Pickups and the such.
Post by: kopiako on September 16, 2010, 05:40:19 PM
tanong lang po, pag tatangalin ang mga tone control ng strat(s-s-s) para yung tanging control ay ang volume control, simpleng tanggal na lang o may special wiring para doon?
Title: Re: Thread on wiring, Pots, Pickups and the such.
Post by: sercor on September 16, 2010, 06:16:44 PM
tama po ba to? SEYMOUR DUNCAN INVADER on a LP Custom Bridge
What do you mean? Kung ok tunog, tama! :-D Looks like typical Seymour Duncan wiring, with the tone caps soldered at the back of the tone pots. Di ko masyado makita, but I think as far as les paul wiring is concerned, it's wired modern. From the thick red and black pup wires, pasok sa outside lug ng pot, tapos nandun na rin yung connection for the tone caps, hence my conclusion. Then, taking from the middle 'wiper' lug, papunta sa toggle switch (thick gray wire). Tama ba nakikita ko from the pics?
Wala kang treble bleed cap, so I assume you have loss of highs when you roll off the volume? You can take advantage of this wiring by setting your amp and pedals with the guitar at middle volume settings, so you get a nice treble 'boost' when you roll up for solos. Or if the wiring bothers you entirely, try a treble bleed cap (solder a .001uF across the outside and middle lugs), or switch to 50s wiring (move the white part of the yellow wire coming from the tone caps to middle lug).
Title: Re: Thread on wiring, Pots, Pickups and the such.
Post by: sercor on September 16, 2010, 07:02:49 PM
ung black wire po ung seymour invader, fat red wire, stock neck pickup, fat gray wire toggle
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Post by: batangnon on September 16, 2010, 09:46:13 PM
ganda ng thread :-D i learned a lot
Title: Re: Thread on wiring, Pots, Pickups and the such.
Post by: sercor on September 17, 2010, 12:47:18 AM
ito na po current wiring ko, the black fat wire is the SH-8 Seymour Duncan Invader (bridge)
Title: Re: Thread on wiring, Pots, Pickups and the such.
Post by: Masvidal92 on December 13, 2010, 09:53:10 PM
Mga masters baka matulungan niyo ako I have this DIY pedal reezafrazitz clone I am wondering bakit yung Isa kong pedal pag gamit ko wala akong hiss na naririnig then pag ginamit ko na yung reezafratzitz clone sobrang lakas ng hiss,,, :( is there any way na mawala yun aside from using a noisegate or kelangan me palitan ako sa internal parts. big help po mga ka brader kung may suggestions kayo :)...
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Post by: Musikerochan on December 14, 2010, 09:37:09 AM
IIRC high gainer kasi yung Reeza, kaya usually higher gain, more noise. susceptible din sila sa mga ground loop issues. try mo kaya ang battery lang, or try mo i-isolate yung problem: i-audition mo yung mga pedals mo isa-isa to check if it really is the culprit.
pwede ring sa cables mo yan. yung mga tig-kikinse per meter na mga cables madalas ganyan yung sakit eh.
Title: Re: Thread on wiring, Pots, Pickups and the such.
Post by: skrumian on December 24, 2010, 03:53:42 AM
i'll change the pots to push/ pull so I can split coil it but....
what other upgrade would you recommend like changing/ adding capacitors (values etc) and schematics for it? I just need a "baseline" upgrade to work with and from there I will check other possible change to suit my taste.
Title: Re: Thread on wiring, Pots, Pickups and the such.
Post by: chuggernaut on February 01, 2011, 08:34:48 AM
hello guys! awesome thread here. lots of helpful info. may basic noob question lang ako which i think most of you have an answer to.
I own an LTD ec256 and would like to upgrade my PUPS. i checked out some threads, asked some people and they said na oks daw ang 81/60 na combo. that's what i had in mind too until recently i found out na kapag un 81/60 ang ginamit ko, i wont be able to make use of the push/pull coil tap thing on my LTD, which sucks because that feature gives the guitar such versatility and range of tones.
May mga ibang forumites na nagsuggest na i get the 81TW EMG and the 89 for the neck so i can still coiltap. any thoughts on this? and should i change the pots as well? di ko alam ang default amount ng pots ng pups ko, if its 500k or 250k. thanks for any info dudes! :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Thread on wiring, Pots, Pickups and the such.
Post by: r_chino18 on February 01, 2011, 08:37:17 AM
^^^
All I can say is, since humbuckers ang nasa EC-256 mo, ang stock pots niyan ay 500k. Ibang value ang gamit ng active pickups, 25k yata.
If you'll be getting an active pickup set, usually kasama na yung pots dun. Iba kasi ang value na gamit nila compared sa passive.
Title: Re: Thread on wiring, Pots, Pickups and the such.
Post by: chuggernaut on February 01, 2011, 08:43:02 AM
tanong lang po, pag tatangalin ang mga tone control ng strat(s-s-s) para yung tanging control ay ang volume control, simpleng tanggal na lang o may special wiring para doon?
Disconnect mo lang yung line ng tone from the pots going to the switch. Pero for a s-s-s strat I don't know tge reason kung bakit aalisin mo tone control niyan. Minsan ang magandan wiring na nakita kosa strat ay yung kay EJ instead of having the tone in the middle pickup he had it moved sa bridge pickup, making the start sound more versatile.
Title: Re: Thread on wiring, Pots, Pickups and the such.
Post by: bryanarzaga on February 01, 2011, 08:57:16 PM
^weird though because i use linear pots for my volume control and log taper for the tone instead :-D
Hey whatever works for you. Everyone has an idea of what taper works best. Some like smooth roll-offs, while some like a bit of jumpiness for roll-up boosts or quick cleanup. But usually recommended yung log for volume and linear for tone pots.
Title: Re: Thread on wiring, Pots, Pickups and the such.
Post by: markv on April 02, 2011, 02:03:38 PM
What's the best treble bleed mod you guys would recommend for an hsh guitar? I've tried installing a .001microfarad cap, but the signal becomes too bright when the volume control is rolled down (specially for the single coil pickup). I've read about putting these caps in series and parallel with a resistor for some special cases, but I really don't know what to use. My guitar is "pickguarded" and floyd-equipped, so it would be very troublesome to do trial-and-error (removing the strings first, unscrewing 10 screws, etc. in order to access the pots). Thanks! :-D
If you don't like it getting harsh as you turn the volume down, you can try this mod:
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Post by: Musikerochan on April 04, 2011, 10:06:52 AM
another thing to try din is using a lower value pot (250K instead of 500K on humbucks). for example, 2 guitars na pareho, pareho ding humbucking. yung isa fitted with the standard 500K pot, yung isa mas mababa, 250K lang. with the knob at the middle (5) on both, it forms a voltage divider, but a 250K series resistance is acting up dun sa 500K pot resulting to high end loss, whereas dun sa 250K you have a 125K na resistance lang, lower resistance in series sa signal. but at max, the 500k pot will be generally brighter than the 250K pot. but if you are one who plays a lot with the volume knob and stays relatively clean, i recommend using a pot with the lower value.
Title: Re: Thread on wiring, Pots, Pickups and the such.
Post by: sireus on April 04, 2011, 10:41:13 AM
anong alternative way para mawala ang humming ng tele without changing of pick ups? kasi sakin mim fender tele kahit nasa middle position yung toggle switch may humming parin di ba dapat wala dahil dalawang pups na ang umaandar nun... :-(
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Post by: kopiako on April 04, 2011, 11:26:52 AM
yung wire sa may spring claw saan ba kinakabit yun sa loob ng gitara?
Title: Re: Thread on wiring, Pots, Pickups and the such.
Post by: markv on April 04, 2011, 11:31:32 AM
^ soldered at the back of volume pot sir.
Title: Re: Thread on wiring, Pots, Pickups and the such.
Post by: Musikerochan on April 04, 2011, 12:01:28 PM
anong alternative way para mawala ang humming ng tele without changing of pick ups? kasi sakin mim fender tele kahit nasa middle position yung toggle switch may humming parin di ba dapat wala dahil dalawang pups na ang umaandar nun... :-(
man it could be grounding (earth issues), lalo na sa amps. or shielding. or possible din na inherently noisy na yung pickups mo. :wink:
Title: Re: Thread on wiring, Pots, Pickups and the such.
Post by: babolnart on April 06, 2011, 11:14:17 PM
guys baka pwede nyo naman ako tulungan. please check this thread out.
Title: Re: Thread on wiring, Pots, Pickups and the such.
Post by: ermonski on April 07, 2011, 06:03:44 AM
wow this thread is quite helpful!
currently I have a .001pf treble bleed cap on my Ibanez RGR321EX. anung magandang resistor ang pwedeng i-match sa kanya? Or should I go for a lower cap value so I can get that warm clean tone like when the distortion is off?
Title: Re: Thread on wiring, Pots, Pickups and the such.
Post by: siore on May 15, 2011, 10:40:41 PM
Man, have I gone full circle or what?! Just rewired my guitars back to modern, hence some treble bleed circuits are in place. Not that there's anything wrong, but I'm bored, and I like the recent changes. :-D My RJ les paul came from 50's wiring, while the PRS SE was already wired modern with a stock 180pf treble bleed cap. So what's changed?
RJ les paul - just a .001uf (or 1nf) ceramic bleed cap, but instead of having it wired across the 'hot' and 'wiper' of the volume knob, it goes from the 'wiper' of the volume pot to the often unused 'hot' lug of the tone knob. Credit from a few guys on MLP, and jemsite's frankfalbo, I've learned that this way the treble bleed cap gets disconnected gradually as you turn down the tone knob. No more shaving from both ends of the freqs, leaving you with thinned out with all mids! BTW, it's hot, wiper, and ground....... if you're looking inside the control cavity, or 3-2-1 pot shaft faces down, just to avoid confusion with the terminologies.
PRS Santana SE - same deal of connecting the bleed cap to the unused tone lug, but I destroyed the stock 180pf cap with too much twisting around. :x So I took a .001uf mylar from my cap stash... and found out it got too bright as I rolled volume down. To which I fixed it with a 100k in series. Will try to get a 180pf ASAP to compare, but the combination of the .001uf/100k-ohm works fine as it is.
I find it's just a different stone to take out the same bird, compared to my previous wirings, but this scheme will stay for a while. :-)
Title: Re: Thread on wiring, Pots, Pickups and the such.
Post by: 6stringedRage on July 01, 2011, 01:29:09 PM
need help here... :-D
i got a fernando lp unique series bought 2nd hand from a forumer a few weeks ago...guitar is fine...already set-up and intonated...sounds great unplugged..
the issue is, the volume pot is kinda defective...its hard to describe in words but parang from 0 level it goes 1,2,3, 10, 10, 10... yung bigla nalang mag max ung volume instead of increasing gradually...it goes that way for the bridge volume,not so much for the neck... the previous owner said that he had it rewired because of grounding problems on the switch... question: is the pot really defective?i plan to do the repair myself...though im not sure if i can... thanks for the replies..
Title: Re: Thread on wiring, Pots, Pickups and the such.
Post by: markv on July 01, 2011, 01:32:47 PM
^ pag hindi makuha sa contact cleaner, kailangan na yan replace sir.. i recommend CTS or bourns pot.
Title: Re: Thread on wiring, Pots, Pickups and the such.
Post by: arpeggiosfromheaven on July 01, 2011, 10:38:01 PM
very informative thread.
pabookmarked. :D
Title: Re: Thread on wiring, Pots, Pickups and the such.
Post by: st_anger on July 02, 2011, 08:05:41 PM
nice thread bookmarked
Title: Re: Thread on wiring, Pots, Pickups and the such.
Post by: CeL1916 on September 27, 2013, 02:14:53 AM
Necroing a good thread:
San ba nakakabili ng linear pot?
Title: Re: Thread on wiring, Pots, Pickups and the such.
Post by: gandydancer123 on September 27, 2013, 02:17:45 AM
ayos to!
Title: Re: Thread on wiring, Pots, Pickups and the such.
Post by: cayle on September 27, 2013, 11:17:39 AM
It should be marked with "B". Example: B500k or B250K. Epektos had some back then. Alpha pots na linear. They still have some, pero push/pull and longshaft nalang.
Title: Re: Thread on wiring, Pots, Pickups and the such.
Post by: CeL1916 on September 27, 2013, 11:25:34 AM
It should be marked with "B". Example: B500k or B250K. Epektos had some back then. Alpha pots na linear. They still have some, pero push/pull and longshaft nalang.
Ganun ba? Ah yun lang pala yun, dapat pala B, Thanks man, sige check ko uli epektos, push/pull talaga kelangan ko eh.. :-D
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Ayun meron nga b500k (tone) nakalagay, haha makes sense, pang tone nga gagamitin.. Nakita ko na yun eh pero di ko alam na yun yon, audio din kasi nakalagay, haha.. Salamat uli cayle..
Title: Re: Thread on wiring, Pots, Pickups and the such.
Post by: skrumian on October 01, 2013, 05:24:54 AM
Saan makakabili ng CTS pots?
Title: Re: Thread on wiring, Pots, Pickups and the such.
Post by: CeL1916 on October 01, 2013, 08:04:14 AM
Title: Re: Thread on wiring, Pots, Pickups and the such.
Post by: bamborger on January 09, 2014, 11:13:11 AM
Papatulong lang po. I have a project guitar (Greco-Device) without any electronics and hardware. Body lang talaga. My problem now is hindi ko alam mag wire ng S-S-H config using 3 mini toggle switch (see picture below). Can anybody help me find/draw a wiring diagram for this? Mga gitara ko kasi ay puro H-H eh.
Title: Re: Thread on wiring, Pots, Pickups and the such.
Post by: david_leyson on April 03, 2014, 01:52:23 PM
Last night I installed a Dimarzio Super Distortion Bridge Pickup on my LTD MH-100QM, this one is a H-H 1V 1T Conifg, i have been done several trial and errors because it was my first time so I took it very carefully.
First, it was said that the black & white wires have to be soldered and the green & bare wires have to be soldered on the positions where the previous pickup was placed and so i did.
Unfortunately it sounded thin, and i've read somewhere here that if this scenario happens reverse the color coding and so I did. Black & white in place of the previous pickup but this time i made green & red soldered instead of green & bare then leaving the bare wire alone, and it was successful.
it sounded as it was to be, but i just noticed that my tone pot was not in it's maximum control so I rolled it up max. it has no sound when i strummed it. then i tried rolling it back a little and it sounded as if it was on it's maximum output.
i have never touched the tone pot nor the volume pot. no soldering happened in the pots all happened in the 3-way toggle switch.
Question: Why does this happen? what can I do to resolve this? does someone here has also experienced this kind of scenario? PLease give advice
i know people here are very helpful, hehehe..
Thanks! :wave: :wave: :wave: and God bless you all.
Title: Re: Thread on wiring, Pots, Pickups and the such.
Post by: phoenix_rising on April 04, 2014, 01:44:00 PM
Looks like you wired it wrong. Can you show us some clear gut shots?
Last night I installed a Dimarzio Super Distortion Bridge Pickup on my LTD MH-100QM, this one is a H-H 1V 1T Conifg, i have been done several trial and errors because it was my first time so I took it very carefully.
First, it was said that the black & white wires have to be soldered and the green & bare wires have to be soldered on the positions where the previous pickup was placed and so i did.
Unfortunately it sounded thin, and i've read somewhere here that if this scenario happens reverse the color coding and so I did. Black & white in place of the previous pickup but this time i made green & red soldered instead of green & bare then leaving the bare wire alone, and it was successful.
it sounded as it was to be, but i just noticed that my tone pot was not in it's maximum control so I rolled it up max. it has no sound when i strummed it. then i tried rolling it back a little and it sounded as if it was on it's maximum output.
i have never touched the tone pot nor the volume pot. no soldering happened in the pots all happened in the 3-way toggle switch.
Question: Why does this happen? what can I do to resolve this? does someone here has also experienced this kind of scenario? PLease give advice
i know people here are very helpful, hehehe..
Thanks! :wave: :wave: :wave: and God bless you all.
Title: Re: Thread on wiring, Pots, Pickups and the such.
Post by: david_leyson on April 04, 2014, 01:54:06 PM
already made the testing yesterday sa practice, had to say "napakalinis" nya tumunog even though when the dirts are engaged swak sa banga talaga! used Mooer Hustle Drive and Ibanez TS808 for the testing all i can say is solb!
Title: Re: Thread on wiring, Pots, Pickups and the such.
Post by: hiskoolstudes on August 08, 2014, 03:56:49 AM
Does anyone have an idea where one can buy clothed wire in the Metro?
Title: Re: Thread on wiring, Pots, Pickups and the such.
Post by: bakit? on August 11, 2014, 08:42:32 AM
whi wants to rewire my hollowbody?haha :wave:
Title: Re: Thread on wiring, Pots, Pickups and the such.
Post by: CeL1916 on June 19, 2015, 11:50:43 AM
Guys, yung may mga les paul at nagrewire na, ginaground niyo ba yung bridge?
May mga nabasa akong suggestion na iground yung bridge(bridge mismo, hindi bridge pup), they drill a hole from control cavity to one of the bridge's post(post ba?sorry di ko alam tawag dun) tapos sinolder yung wire sa isang pot tapos yung dulo idinkit lang dun sa post ng bridge.
Medyo magulo explanation ko pero, ganun ginagawa nung iba.
Found a vid, parang ganito:
Title: Re: Thread on wiring, Pots, Pickups and the such.
Post by: siore on June 19, 2015, 12:22:33 PM
Guys, yung may mga les paul at nagrewire na, ginaground niyo ba yung bridge?
May mga nabasa akong suggestion na iground yung bridge(bridge mismo, hindi bridge pup), they drill a hole from control cavity to one of the bridge's post(post ba?sorry di ko alam tawag dun) tapos sinolder yung wire sa isang pot tapos yung dulo idinkit lang dun sa post ng bridge.
Medyo magulo explanation ko pero, ganun ginagawa nung iba.
Found a vid, parang ganito:
Yeah. Almost all les paul wiring schemes will have that ground wire from the bridge.
Title: Re: Thread on wiring, Pots, Pickups and the such.
Post by: ryechua on June 19, 2015, 12:25:25 PM
see the wire on the upper left corner connected to the pot. that one is supposed to go to the bridge
Ah ok, Yung mga tutorials on wiring kasi sa youtube di ginagawa yun. Butasan ko nalang siguro.
Anyways thanks siore, rye.
haha my ground siya di ko lang napansin agad.
anyways new question:
nilagyan ko ng shielding yung lahat ng cavity ng gitara ko, and connected lahat(using multimeter) anyways since yung pots mismo nakadikit sa aluminum shielding, and yung likod ng pots naman ay grounded ng wire, magcacause ba yung ng "ground loops"? or di totoo yung ground loops?
nabasa ko kasi sa TDPRI:
More or less. Put simply, to get a ground loop you essentially need to have some level of voltage difference in the grounds of the power supply going to different components.
Ground loops have become a common myth in guitar wiring due to a misunderstanding of how they actually work. Many people have falsely assumed that if wires are connected in parallel between different components that current will potentially "loop" through them, simply because the wire forms a physical loop. This doesn't happen though, as current does not simply move in circles because they are available to travel through - it needs a motive to go in any direction, and if there's no voltage difference, there's no motive.
Ground loops can occur between an amp and pedals, or a mixing board and power amp if they are plugged in to different outlets, but not inside a passive guitar circuit.
Title: Re: Thread on wiring, Pots, Pickups and the such.
Post by: KennyKen on August 08, 2015, 07:17:55 AM
Mga sirs, tanong ko lang, I have a spare DiMarzio lying around pero 2 inches na lang yung wire, my question is..Can I augment (dugtungan) the short cable with an ordinary USB cable? May epekto ba sa tone if ever gumana siya? THX PO
Title: Re: Thread on wiring, Pots, Pickups and the such.
Post by: r_chino18 on August 08, 2015, 08:35:56 AM
Mga sirs, tanong ko lang, I have a spare DiMarzio lying around pero 2 inches na lang yung wire, my question is..Can I augment (dugtungan) the short cable with an ordinary USB cable? May epekto ba sa tone if ever gumana siya? THX PO
Yes you can. As long as they're properly connected, soldered and insulated from each other, I believe wala naman magiging noticeable change in tone.
Title: Re: Thread on wiring, Pots, Pickups and the such.
Post by: KennyKen on August 08, 2015, 08:58:17 AM