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The Musician Forums => Guitar Central => Topic started by: alalala on January 03, 2008, 09:02:26 PM
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Hi guys, just want to start a thread to post your frustrations sa mga music stores dito sa Pinas, what the stores here are lacking or missing, vice versa. Just hope this does not turn out to be a hate thread, he he, just venting what we would hope for in music stores here in the Philippines!! For me personally, fretwire!! laging wala or meron man, lagi puro medium lang!! he he.
Cheers!!
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Hi guys, just want to start a thread to post your frustrations sa mga music stores dito sa Pinas, what the stores here are lacking or missing, vice versa. For me personally, fretwire!! laging wala or meron man, lagi puro medium lang!! he he.
Cheers!!
hehe, buti nung nagparefret ako sayo sir al medium yung pinakabit ko :-D
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Obviously.... Walang spare parts!!! Ni tubes eh di sila nagsto-stock!!! Pero benta naman nang benta ng tube amps!
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yung mga sikat lang na brands talaga nandito... not too much variety, though there is variety within a certain brand, katulad ng ibanez. tambakan ng ibanez yung audiophile sa cubao eh. :-o
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Hindi nila pina pa feel sa customer yung item na binebenta nila. Di tulad sa iba hindi mo pa binibili feeling mo sayo na. So ang hirap mag decide :-(
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Hindi nila pina pa feel sa customer yung item na binebenta nila. Di tulad sa iba hindi mo pa binibili feeling mo sayo na. So ang hirap mag decide :-(
+1
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hehe, buti nung nagparefret ako sayo sir al medium yung pinakabit ko
he he, okay rin naman medium kaya lang daming naghahanap ng jumbo frets!
Saka ang generic ng mga trems na tinda dito lalo na sa mga stalls sa Raon/Sta. Mesa!! Obviously they don't respond to customer feedback, tama si
Sir Poundcake, benta na lang ng benta.
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frustrations? my real frustration is with myself....
so much gear i can't afford... :-(
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Yeah, I fall under that category too, the good stuff is almost always out of reach!! Blood, sweat and tears ang katapat.
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Obviously.... Walang spare parts!!! Ni tubes eh di sila nagsto-stock!!! Pero benta naman nang benta ng tube amps!
very true...
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uhm paminsan unreasobnable talaga ang patong.. :( or wala talaga masyadong available rin.. kadalasan order pa..
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hehe ako naman nahihirapan ako makahanap ng magandang klaseng pots, kung meron man masyadong mahal!
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their customer service in general leaves much to be desired, daming stores na masusungit yung staff, lalo na pag pick murang stuff lang like picks,strings tsaka sticks lang bibilhin mo, di ka masyadong papansinin. and their after-sales service e medyo nakakainis, aside from kulang lagi sa spare parts.
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minsan po nakakainis ung tipong bibili ka na sana tapos pag lapit mo sa equiptment eh puro alikabok nakakadiri pa minsan ung puro kalawang na ung strings.
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he he, how about this line: " Brand new ho ito, reconditioned" Sounds familiar? Do these people know what they're talking about?
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he he, how about this line: " Brand new ho ito, reconditioned" Sounds familiar? Do these people know what they're talking about?
encountered that! kainis diba.
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he he, how about this line: " Brand new ho ito, reconditioned" Sounds familiar? Do these people know what they're talking about?
:-D :-D :-D
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he he, how about this line: " Brand new ho ito, reconditioned" Sounds familiar? Do these people know what they're talking about?
bnew recon? parang celphone ah :evil:
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LAKI NG MGA PATONG!! parang 100 dollars lang magiging 7k pesos na!? parang dinalawa....
sama na natin mga record bars.....
PURO MAINSTREAM MUSIC LANG MERON!!!
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On the customer service side, di ko feel ang much satisfaction gaya ng na-feel ko ng magpunta ako sa Music Vox, Akihabara, Tokyo.. Grabe kahit anung mamahaling gamit pwede mong itest at ndi sila naiirita kahit marami kang tanong at small amounts lang ang bibilihin mo..
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hindi updated and websites nila like prices,kung may bago or kung ubos na.
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Walang Jackson guitars!
grrrrrrrr!
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Walang Jackson guitars!
That seems to be the trend....
when stocks run out, they usually don't know when the next batch will arrive or if there even is a next batch at all.
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LAKI NG MGA PATONG!! parang 100 dollars lang magiging 7k pesos na!? parang dinalawa....
sama na natin mga record bars.....
PURO MAINSTREAM MUSIC LANG MERON!!!
based on my computations and observations, yung patong nila is usually approx. 80% of the internet price (depende pa yon sa exchange rate nung time na kinuha nila yung item). there are some exceptions of course like some of the ibanez guitars in audiophile. ok yung mga prices nila don. sa PJC rin minsan medyo ok (approx. 44% from the internet price). sa everymusic they're pretty much current with exchange rate, tapos yon, add the 44%, you get their price.
i could be wrong but yeah, this is what i use in case i'm too lazy to the store to ask for the price of a specific item.
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High prices limited choices :-D
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:mrgreen: parang bwal mo itest ung mga gitara dito...
nung nagpunta ako ng tomlee music sa hk lahat pwede mo itry kahit ung prs na tig 100k hk dollars pwede. kahit mga jem series o js o kya ung pinakamahal na fender or gibson or musicman, kahit amp and fx pwede kahit wala kang bibilhin ok lang pero syempre nahihiya din ako kaya bumibili ako paunti unti tulad ng mga cables, picks o kung ano2 na mura hehehe.. tpos ung presyo dito sobrang mahal.. ung sale natin dito sa pinas ordinary price lang ng guitar dun minsan mas mahal pa din ung sale price natin dito... kaya kayo punta na kayo dun.. joke hehehe! problema baka masita sa custom hehehe mas maganda kung my kakilala kayo na taga dun or nagtratrabaho dun para alang tax hehehe.. ako kasi di ko dineclare ung guitar ko eh lusot hehehe..
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sana meron rooms where you can test gear in private. away from the kibitzers.
also, spare parts!!! matched tube sets please! celestion, eminence and jensen speakers! sperzel, gotoh kluson and grover tuners! wilkinsons and floyd rose trems!
also, more guitarist widgets!!! jazz III picks please! more tuner choices! better capos! heavier guage strings! stock up on more 11s and less 8s!!! :lol:
also, depreciation!!! items over 2 years old should not be sold at brand new price (kahit na ba pinunasan para walang alikabok). and dont make us wait for the next sale kasi by then, nagastos na namin yung pambili. :lol:
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some music store clerks act like they own the guitars that they are selling..
i heard some stories about them fender pickups from them us deluxe fenders being...hmmm...info is not yet verified just heard them from previous employees
some clerks are nice - like the ones in perfect pitch south mall and some in audiophile(the manager maybe)
last frustration - not enough gibsons and epiphones!i know there are some in pjc and everymusic but in the mainstream music stores..i wanna see them again :lol:
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1. Brand exclusivity - only this chain carries this brand, only that chain carries that brand. Sana parang sa States, you walk into a music store or shop online, almost all brands are carried by the merchant. This creates price competition. In the end, panalo ang consumer.
2. Music too loud at their stores - this is especially true with stores that are selling those karaoke microphones. For one, hindi kayo nagkakarinigan ng mga salespersons. Some customers who are trying out some guitars cannot even hear what the guitars sound like because of the blaring noise from the Ikstrim Madyiksing!
3. Customer service - they (the salespeople) should be the one to tell the customer that he can try whichever product he wants. Hindi yung medyo hesitant silang ipa-try ang product kahit in the end the customer may not buy it.
4. Set up the guitars properly before displaying - A lot of guitars that are on display are not properly set up. The bridge is too high, the intonation is off, etc. Alangan namang customer pa ang magse-set up ano? If a beginner is out to buy his first guitar, he tries out one, and ang hirap i-fret ng strings because the action is too high, he may end up not buying the guitar. But if it was properly set up and it was a joy to play, he may end up buying it.
5. More choices - If I'm out to buy a guitar and I'm eyeing a particular brand and model, I should be able to try several of the said brand & model. Hindi yung one guitar per model lang yung available/naka-display. Pag minsan one guitar per brand nga lang available e. Because the one on display may turn out to be defective (say, uneven frets), I should be given another guitar of the same model to try out. Pero hindi e, nasa-warehouse lahat e. Now hanggat hindi nabebenta yung guitar na may uneven frets, they're hesitant to bring in another one from the warehouse. Sayang on their part, sales na sana yun, naging bato pa. If they could bring in at least 3 of the same model for me to try out, I might end up buying one of those three.
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1) limited choices of gear
2) madalas sobrang mataas ang patong
3) walang testing rooms
4) yung mga old stock, bnew pa rin ang presyo
5) walang spare/modification parts...kung meron man, sobra-sobrang low-end
6) parating di nila alam kung "kailan ulit ang dating" ng out-of-stock equipment
7) kulang sa costumer support at costumer service lalo na kapag nabili mo na yung gamit
OT:
pero classic pa rin yung ganitong pangyayari sa music stores:
costumer: "magkano yung (insert item here) nyo?"
seller: "mahal yan." :evil:
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Ang laki ng patong. Ang daya.
And i hate it that they never EVER seem to have new stocks of guitars. The guitars i test in most stores are dilapidated already. How can you expect me to buy a guitar if my first impressions of it are like that?
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High prices limited choices :-D
+1 :-D
Kahit pick, ang hirap maghanap ng trip mo talaga.. :lol:
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costumer: "magkano yung (insert item here) nyo?"
seller: "mahal yan." :evil:
naganyan na ako.. sinagot ko ng :
"ows? ampanget panget tapos mahal?" :evil:
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:lol:
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they should not always focus on freakin guitars...
they should include small important stuff like
height screws - cause they easily get rusted
pickguard srews - " "
pickup rings - always out of stock, no so much selection of colors.
etc...
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naganyan na ako.. sinagot ko ng :
"ows? ampanget panget tapos mahal?" :evil:
ganyan palagi sa perfect pitch sa park square... ehehe... baka ako lang yung nakaka experience don i really hate that store...
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some stores don't have the 7 day direct replacement of the item/s that you bought na nasira... or sira... yes they have like 3 or 6 months warranty pero i bought 1 pedal sa jb... equalizer... i had it for like 2 days lang tapos nagloko then i asked if they can give me a replacement.. hindi daw pede so what they did is they took my pedal and told me na aayusin tapos ang tagal ng paghihintay 2-3 weeks... (until now i don't have my pedal yet)
---> sa lazer they really do replace pala... i bought a new guitar straight from their stockroom the next day umangat ung bridge ng acoustic guitar ko i brought it back then after a month nung dumating ung new stocks nila they gave me a new one...
sana stores here have enough stock in their stockroom kasi minsan when you buy ang bibigay sa iyo yung display... and when you ask if they have stock wala na daw...
spareparts like others frustration...
updated prices sa sites nila...
and better service...
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as one of the forumites have said, panalo talaga sa tom lee hongkong. you can test basically anything on that store and the sales clerk are very accommodating. the price is also right for the item. ayun nga lang may mga problema sa tax ek ek. diskartehan nyo nalang. :-D
honestly, nung nagbukas ang mall of asia, inisip ko, "may tom lee na siguro dito.." wala lang.. umasa lang naman ako..
regarding the music stores here, siguro variety ng mga brands to sell sa guitars, bass, and effects etc.. and sana man lang include nila yung buong line ng products hindi yung mga kadalasan lang nabibili.. at shempre sana mas bigyan nila ng justice yung price ng item.
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dito palang sa pampanga malalaman mo talaga agad pag di alam nung salesperson (or maybe "bantay" would be a better term) yung binebenta nila. :-(
ito pa isang experience ko, pinag eksperimentuhan ko sila while looking for a nice cheap bass: i acted real nice and then nag reklamo ako, yung bass di nila alam itono kaya sabi ko: "o sige, sige, ako nalang magtotono". i acted really disappointed (after all, i was a little) when doing this part. i tried to gain some kind of "upper-hand" by throwing some technical terms, asking them about the guitar/bass (kung anong kahoy, kung san gawa) and then correcting them (hehe)... it's much easier to haggle after that... pero di ako bumili... :-D
andami din parts na kelangan ko pang pumunta ng manila para mag-browse lang. biro mo, mag bbrowse lang ako... tapos yung iba nga ding stores din dyan, yun nga, di din accomodating.
mga toggles (sira yung sa LP ko, sino meron? :lol: ) , mahal ng knobs, walang mabilan ng magagandang PU, tuning machines, dami nilang pagkukulang as music stores
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That seems to be the trend....
when stocks run out, they usually don't know when the next batch will arrive or if there even is a next batch at all.
oo nga ehh..
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hmmm overkill prices ng mga items. oh baka naman talagang mababa lang sweldo ng pinoy? LoL
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hmmm overkill prices ng mga items. oh baka naman talagang mababa lang sweldo ng pinoy? LoL
Point taken. woe to the buying power of the Peso.
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like what most of the guys are saying...
SPARE PARTS, REASONABLE PRICES AND A WIDE ARRAY OF GUITAR RELATED PRODUCTS, LALO NA BRANDS TO CHOOSE FROM WHEN IT COMES TO GUITARS, AMPS AND EFFECTS PEDALS!!!
lagi na lang sa spare parts... like for example i called this well-known music store (not mentioned for confidetiality), asking if they have pots... what kind they asked, i told them a 500k split shaft mini pot, they said "ay ser, wala po, out of stock"... then asked when can they have supplies of those, they said "di po namin alam, siguro by start of 2008 na, di ko sure"... sa lagay eh di pa sila sure... naman... kung mag-aala-"stewart-macdonald" sila then halong musicians friend, aysus, maraming matutuwa for sure... :-D
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1. Brand exclusivity - only this chain carries this brand, only that chain carries that brand. Sana parang sa States, you walk into a music store or shop online, almost all brands are carried by the merchant. This creates price competition. In the end, panalo ang consumer.
4. Set up the guitars properly before displaying - A lot of guitars that are on display are not properly set up. The bridge is too high, the intonation is off, etc. Alangan namang customer pa ang magse-set up ano? If a beginner is out to buy his first guitar, he tries out one, and ang hirap i-fret ng strings because the action is too high, he may end up not buying the guitar. But if it was properly set up and it was a joy to play, he may end up buying it.
+100
gusto ko sana magka schecter dito... haha
saka nung sinamahan ko yung cousin ko bumili ng bass sa l****, tumingin-tingin ako sa mga gitara dun, halos lahat ata wala sa tono... natawa pa nga ako kasi nung tinetesting namin yung bass, ginamit nung guy yung tuner na binebenta nila, pero hindi gumagana... hehe
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bakit maraming salespersons mukhang nakakatakot lalo na pag kaming girls yung bibili. yun bang hardcore na mahaba buhok balbas kambing?
nyeeee..
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oo nga saya sana kung masusubukan mo lahat ng gitara sabi ng erpat ko nung my biyahe sila sa london dami daw mga gitara and ibang mga brands ,saya nga eh hindi marunong erpat ko sa instrumento kaya hindi ako mbilhan ng gitara from abroad,.
dami ding kulang supplies for musicians dito sa pinas usually makikita mo mga sikat na brand, kaya nga nung nkita ko yung shure na gitara ng isa nating kasamahan dito sa forum sh*** ang ganda sabi ko,hehehehe violent reaction hehehee....sir delta kanino nga pla ulit yung gitarang yun kay sir joric ba? yung pulang gitara sa xmas party ang ganda kasi nun
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Spare parts for guitars amps and even effects( ie: knobs, tubes, other hardware)
lack of variety in terms of guitar/amp model,color,brands...haaay
finally, a credible service center or customer support...sensya na but then there are music stores that offer services but doesnt have a qualified repair person. sometimes they even get the instruments screwed..there was one time i walked into a store, the sales man cut all 7 strings simoultaneusly then restring a floyd equiped guitar, then while doing it, he even drop the guitar and got it dinged....buti nalang meron tayo mga go to guys dito sa philmusic for maintainance of our gears :-D
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Nobody likes to carry Gibson.... (why are they so afraid of Gibson anyway?)
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maybe because its high cost , and therefore will be hard too to dispose off at large quantities....kahit na i carry nila, bka 1 model per store lang, buti nga kung me iba pang kulay
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Nobody likes to carry Gibson.... (why are they so afraid of Gibson anyway?)
Kasi, mahal. Alam nilang hindi kayang bilhin ng ordinaryong pilipino. hahahahaha!!
Sa Lazer hindi masusungit mga tao, except siguro dun sa cashier sa isang mall dito sa taguig. hehehehe.
Kulang din sa variety eh. So you need parts. Bibigyan ka nila ng generic parts na mura, which is good if you own a Raon guitar (ginawang brand yung Raon eh, noh?). But you will not put generic strings, tuning keys, etc on a Grestch, Gibson or even a Fender original, di ba? Buti na lang we have stores like RJ who produce high quality parts at low prices.
Sama natin yung mga practice studio. Sa Lazer, Market! Market! sobrang liit nung studio, tas ang limit nila eh 5 band members. Mukha kaung sardinas sa loob. Hope they read this and do someting about it.
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mayaya bang na sales man.. tindahang walang stock... dapat basta binebenta nila dapat may stock kasi di mo naman matetest kung gus2 mo ba tlga...
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yung pag tumitingin ako sa mga guitar stores
tpos may bumibili ng guitara kung ano-ano pa yung cnasabi na kagaguhan na di naman totoo..
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+1 to spare parts coverage. Sana naman magkaroon ng celestion speakers and sets ng tubes. Pinagaawayan pa mga Sovteks sa AP.
More amps din dapat! Kulang tayo ng good selection of low-priced tube amps. Walang B52, Crate Palominos, Peavey Classic 30(Hindi na raw sila magstostock), Epiphone Valve Jr., etc.
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To those complaining about high prices and say na "sobra" ang patong:
- US internet retailer prices have a very different cost structure that is made possible by a bunch of factors.
- Ano ba ang "correct" na patong para sa inyo? Do you know what taxes, duties, opex, etc. need to be covered and accounted for when determining the mark-up?
You guys are being silly and unreasonable, probably due to simply not having any knowledge at all on what it takes to run a business.
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To those complaining about high prices and say na "sobra" ang patong:
- US internet retailer prices have a very different cost structure that is made possible by a bunch of factors.
- Ano ba ang "correct" na patong para sa inyo? Do you know what taxes, duties, opex, etc. need to be covered and accounted for when determining the mark-up?
You guys are being silly and unreasonable, probably due to simply not having any knowledge at all on what it takes to run a business.
+1 :-)
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he he, how about this line: " Brand new ho ito, reconditioned" Sounds familiar? Do these people know what they're talking about?
heheheh sa greenhills to ser hehehe pang cellphone?
anyway kung meron ding ganito sa music gear aba kailangan talagang maging metikuloso tayo sa pagpili at pagbili wag basta-basta natin bibilhin..
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Nobody likes to carry Gibson.... (why are they so afraid of Gibson anyway?)
it's not just because it's expensive. PRS guitars cost about the same yet JB carries. the reason why nobody carries gibson (and this is what i heard) is that they have a high quota for items sold na di kaya ma-meet ng market ng pilipinas. yupangco used to handle gibson but i heard they had to let go because of that reason.
the stores aren't exactly at fault here when it comes to the pricing. PRSman is right, customs are a pain for music stores.
maybe we should start asking guitar manufacturers to outsource their factory work and branding here, and avoid the customs taxation.
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hmmm.... may ilang mga music stores na feeling rockstar mga tindero hehehe...
but seriously, one of my frustration is that the philippines have a very small market for musicians/guitarist... so music stores are kinda scared to invest on a lot of good stuff... lalo na tayo mga pinoy, magaling tayo sa diy, e panu naman kung wala pyesa mabili, e di nka tiwang wang lang gitara natin na kating kati na tayo kalikutin... like example ako lang right now i'm having difficulty looking for a decent bridge for strat and a left handed bridge for strat... see... hehehe :)
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What are your frustrations regarding music stores in the Philippines?
kahit walang interest sa musical instruments o di mahilig sa music, hn-hire nila as tindero sa shop!
p* p*tch - sm north scenario.
customer: sir ano po ba itong nasa likod ng amp? (pointing at the boxed spring reverb)
tindero: vacuum tube po yan sir
customer: aaahh... ganun po ba?
:lol: hehehe! :lol:
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minsan po nakakainis ung tipong bibili ka na sana tapos pag lapit mo sa equiptment eh puro alikabok nakakadiri pa minsan ung puro kalawang na ung strings.
yamaha so Mall of Asia ang mahal ng guitar pero yung string na nakakabit puro kalawang, parang matetetano ka pag ginamit mo, kaya cguro naluluma narin yung guitara, sayang d inaalagaan
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yamaha so Mall of Asia ang mahal ng guitar pero yung string na nakakabit puro kalawang, parang matetetano ka pag ginamit mo, kaya cguro naluluma narin yung guitara, sayang d inaalagaan
Super luma na nga yun. Parang 90's pa yung ganung model.
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gibson (and this is what i heard) is that they have a high quota for items sold na di kaya ma-meet ng market ng pilipinas. yupangco used to handle gibson but i heard they had to let go because of that reason
an enlightening topic concerning Gibsons, read on!
http://www.dinosaurrockguitar.com/interviews/MrX.shtml
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PP / Y*fanko... :roll:audiopill
ammm....TAGA
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To those complaining about high prices and say na "sobra" ang patong:
- US internet retailer prices have a very different cost structure that is made possible by a bunch of factors.
- Ano ba ang "correct" na patong para sa inyo? Do you know what taxes, duties, opex, etc. need to be covered and accounted for when determining the mark-up?
You guys are being silly and unreasonable, probably due to simply not having any knowledge at all on what it takes to run a business.
+1. well said bro. :-)
the reason why different music stores have different markups is probably due to differences in the taxes, duties, opex, etc. that they are being charged by their foreign partners.
remember that mark-ups are based on the costs they incur related to importations of the products they carry. so it's natural to have higher prices because they incur more costs.
however, there is also the possibility that different music stores maintain different profit margins. maybe the desired profit one music store wants may be lower/higher than the others, thus the reason for same products priced differently. this is all up to the management of the music store.
for us consumers, it is our RESPONSIBILITY to be WISE consumers. alam na nga na mataas ang mark-up ng isang store as compared to others, dun parin bibili. it's not proper to buy in a music store and rant about their mark-ups afterwards. :-)
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Kakulangan ng choices. Yun lang.
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What about sales people who do not know how to conduct a product demo? You try to observe. Most of the time, when a prospective buyer wants to try out say an electric guitar, basta na lang isasalpak sa pinakamalapit na amp, which most of the time eh yung 10 watter na made in Timbuktu.
These people think na basta tumunog yung guitar ok na sa buyer. I remeber one time my son wanted to buy a PRS SE sa JB. The salesman plugged it into a small solid state amp (even if there were Marshall amps nearby). My son was very disappointed with the tone of the guitar tha came out of the small amp that he decided not to go thru with the purchase anymore.
Why don't these people realize that the way to sell a guitar is demonstrate its full potential. You cannot do that by using a run of the mill amp.
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customer: sir ano po ba itong nasa likod ng amp? (pointing at the boxed spring reverb)
tindero: vacuum tube po yan sir
customer: aaahh... ganun po ba?
Vaccum tube amp... Hehehehe...
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Vaccum tube amp... Hehehehe...
ito ata yung pag-ginamit mo sisip-sipin yung guitaar mo, hehehe
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(http://www.doepfer.de/spring_reverb_medium.jpg)
you call this a vacuum tube? :D
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Sa Shimamura at Ishibashii lahat puede mong ma-test. Gibs,PRS, Variax,Baker,Taylor kahit na yung 700,000 yen na Martin. ok lang. Minsan sasabihin sayo "di yan all solid wood" "that's made in China/Korea/mexico ganoon sila ka franka sa costumer.
Minsan nagtanong ako sa isang store (sa manila) kung solid top. "yes sir solid po yan !galing taiwan ang kahoy" pagkababa ng gitara, solid playwood pala!!
sabay inum ng gamot. Nakaka highblood!!
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price and how they treat customers na parang pick lang ang kayang bilhin sa store nila..hahaha! :-D
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Snobby and ignoramus sales force.
Sa lahat ng nabilhan ko na stores (trust me, I've purchased quite a lot), si Jezrel of JB (long gone na sa JB, and IMO have the fastest fingers this side of the pond, with taste to boot! ) at Lowee of Yupangco lang ang accommodating.
So, ngayon, I order na lang online.. even strings.
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Hindi nila pina pa feel sa customer yung item na binebenta nila. Di tulad sa iba hindi mo pa binibili feeling mo sayo na. So ang hirap mag decide :-(
+45!
actually nde consistent... i would have to say the better sales people would be the people who do knows how to play... then again.. meron pa din maaangas na kala mo magaling nga and are sooooo hard to talk with for questions.. even if you are that interested in buying the stuff it gives u second thoughts on buying it because you wouldn't want to give that man the credit on selling an item where he didn't even exerted any effort in selling it to u! :| i hope music store owners would start educating their sales personnel what the term "customer service" is.
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limited supply, limited brands, bad sales person (but not all), most important still no esp/ltd explorers!!!!
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Wala naman akng ganung reklamo sa presyo.... Limited supply lang siguro complain ko at damot mag pa-test. :-)
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limited supply and annoying salespersons.napakadamot pagpatest ng gamit.kainis eh.haha
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frustration ko?? palagi silang out of stock.. hahaha!! galing ako sa megamall kanina, lahat ng music stores dun walang guitar stand ang guitar jack ampuuu.. hehehe...
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Nothing Sounds Super Great. But seriously, I cannot believe that they dump so much bad sounding stuff here. Can't blame manufacturers though because our limited budget.
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pag-pasok ko sa music store wala man lang lumapit para magtanong kung ano kailangan ko, eh halata naman na naghahagilap ako ng mapagtatanungan kung meron silang item na hinahanap ko, at nung may nalapitan ako sabi sakin " AY WALA KAMING STOCK NYAN EH" SABAY ALIS AT INIWAN AKONG NAKATANGA.....sabay nung palabas nako, sabi nung isang babae "SALAMAT PO SIR, BALIK KAYO ULIT".....isip-isip ko, pagbalik ko mamartilyuhin ko kayo, hahahaha
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i think the problems is yung ibang clerk dito sa mga music store sa atin eh lack of proper knowledge about sa mga instruments. and how to communicate sa kanilang mga customer. tingin kasi nila minsan walang pambili, kagaya na lang 2 years ago, naghahanap ako ng case para sa gitara nagtanung ako sa isang music store, ni hindi man lang ako pinansin. umalis na kami ng kuya ko lumipat kami ng music store, yun binili ko sa perfect pitch yung case ng custom kong gitara. sabi ni kuya sa'kin ok yung isang store no ? may pambili naman tayo , tska ang mali dun sa lugar nila masyadong maliit yung lugar tapos daming nakalagay na instrumento.
opinyon ko lang mga sir yan.
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US guitars... US amps... US strings...
all made in CHINA!
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d'addario & ernie ball & GHS strings, so far made in U.S. pa rin.
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ano kulang? yung idea ng TRUE CUSTOMER SERVICE...[ice cream] talaga yung mga tindero sa pinas na music store...
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Chinese made guitar parts are pretty good. Hindi naman porke gawa ng komunista eh pangit na. :-D
But, if you are really looking for guitar parts na made in US, eh mahirap makahanap dito. Here's a good tip.
1. Get a credit card
2. Go to the internet
3. Online purchase. Hahahahahahaha!!!
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alang mga stock ng mga parts ng instrument like pickguard screw, screw ng pick ups, etc.
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In my experience isang beses pa lang akong nabastos. Gusto kong bilhin nun yung dean n explorer pero walang gustong kumaisap sakin. kasi naka pambahay lang ako. Pati yung kapatid kong babae napahiya kasi di sya pinansin. Mas pinansin nila yung magasawang gustong bumili ng item n wala pa sa half ng price n bibilhin ko kasi nakaposutra sila, tinest ko yung explorer sabi ko mababa yung action pero walang nakikinig sakin. Pero binili ko pa rin ahahaha kasi adik n adik ako sa himsa nun.
S ibang music store naman wala akong problema pero siguro yun nga yung problema kasi wala silang alam dun sa item kaya nagdadalawang isip akong bilhin kasi di nila ako maconvince n maganda yung item.
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Catering to the masses.. Walang kwenta ang mga stocks
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Hmmm, I'm not gonna complain about the stocks and whatever is not available in a music store. But having experienced being in Guitar Center CA and IL, I'm wondering what's keeping the local music stores from being at par with them in terms of making customers feel welcome and encourage interest in playing an instrument. This way you don't just attract musicians but curious individuals who may just get into music because they were allowed to look closer, touch and feel the atmosphere of a friendly show room type environment. It's difficult to describe, but imagine a music store that when you walk in you see guitars and amps paired up and setup with cables and stools. So all you have to do is sit down and play. Not to mention that sample stomp boxes and effects are just there lying around with a sticker on it saying "Try Me!!!"
Sinong hindi magkaka-interes sa ganitong setup? Even non musicians may just get in to the hobby.
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pag-pasok ko sa music store wala man lang lumapit para magtanong kung ano kailangan ko, eh halata naman na naghahagilap ako ng mapagtatanungan kung meron silang item na hinahanap ko, at nung may nalapitan ako sabi sakin " AY WALA KAMING STOCK NYAN EH" SABAY ALIS AT INIWAN AKONG NAKATANGA.....sabay nung palabas nako, sabi nung isang babae "SALAMAT PO SIR, BALIK KAYO ULIT".....isip-isip ko, pagbalik ko mamartilyuhin ko kayo, hahahaha
dude that customer service pagpasok pa lang ng store binabati na kau ng sales clerk eh hehehe
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yung mga sikat lang na brands talaga nandito... not too much variety, though there is variety within a certain brand, katulad ng ibanez. tambakan ng ibanez yung audiophile sa cubao eh. :-o
eh audiophile official distributor ng ibanez sa pinas eh...watchu expect :))
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Hmmm, I'm not gonna complain about the stocks and whatever is not available in a music store. But having experienced being in Guitar Center CA and IL, I'm wondering what's keeping the local music stores from being at par with them in terms of making customers feel welcome and encourage interest in playing an instrument. This way you don't just attract musicians but curious individuals who may just get into music because they were allowed to look closer, touch and feel the atmosphere of a friendly show room type environment. It's difficult to describe, but imagine a music store that when you walk in you see guitars and amps paired up and setup with cables and stools. So all you have to do is sit down and play. Not to mention that sample stomp boxes and effects are just there lying around with a sticker on it saying "Try Me!!!"
Sinong hindi magkaka-interes sa ganitong setup? Even non musicians may just get in to the hobby.
tama! yun nga eh.. in some guitar shops ive went to abroad. lang problema na gumamit ako ng mga CS na Gibby.. hehe.. mas mahal pa yung pangtest ko sa gamit ko..
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:lol:
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PP / Y*fanko... :roll:audiopill
ammm....TAGA
nice dude now your making enemies sa ganyan comment hehehehe
dami dito nga mamasid dude dito sa forum. kaya ingat lang sa comment may freedom tayo of expression pero konting alalay ka 3 stores yung pinatatamaan mo
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nice dude now your making enemies sa ganyan comment hehehehe
dami dito nga mamasid dude dito sa forum. kaya ingat lang sa comment may freedom tayo of expression pero konting alalay ka 3 stores yung pinatatamaan mo
haha.. takutan na ba toh?? nyahahaha!!! they are just stores and if they can read this, they should take the messages on this thread as a challenge to improve their crappy service... nothing personal should be taken.. we are customers and we demand the best service and products...
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Nobody likes to carry Gibson.... (why are they so afraid of Gibson anyway?)
Actually there are very few Gibson dealers nowadays, even here in Canada. The reason from what I've been told by some of the retail stores here, is that Gibson requires the stores to stock a huge amount of inventory. Some stores are not willing to shell out that kind of money upfront.
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Sa isa.. mataas ang patong sa presyo.. at konti ang accessories..
Sa isa naman.. karamihan ng stores nila napakasikip.. tsaka wala masyadong 0% installment deals.. tapos walang keyboard na panlaban sa mga ibang stores.. at di sila masyadong nagcoconcentrate sa PA system. karamihan pa ng attendant nila walang alam sagutin sa mga tanong regarding their products..
Sa isa naman.. di uso sale.. tsaka wala silang stores sa mga favorite malls ko.. laging malayo nilalakad ko kung bibili ako sa kanila..
Sa isa naman.. walang sasakyang public na dumadaan. lagi akong magtataxi para lang makapunta sa kanila.. wala ring drum products at PA system. at kulang sa bass amps etc..
Sa isa naman.. iisang brand lang ang talagang iniistock sa showroom.. minsan nauuubos pa stock.. wala ring amps, drum products, at PA system. maliit ang lugar.
Sa isa naman.. puro amps at PA lang ang binebenta. medyo mahal pa. sana kapresyo na lang ng mall stores nila ung sa main..
Sa isa naman walang "branded" na tinda. kaya accessories and sticks na lang nabibili ko.. wala pang tawad..
Sa isa naman.. mahal magtinda.. kahit di naman kilala yung mga products.. at sobrang mahal ng drum products.. marami sanang me gusto nung drums nila..
Sa isang lugar na maraming tindahan naman, maraming peke at mga manloloko. not toi mention mga magnanakaw..
Sa isang lugar din na maraming tindahan ng gitara.. walang maganda. sana gandahan nila yung mga local na gitara nila..
Oh I almost forgot.. sa isa pang store.. mahal magtinda at wala na ring mga ibang products kundi ang sariling product. nakakaasar pa puntahan.. dahil masungit yung mga tao.. sayang sa kanila ko pa naman nabili 1st bass and amp ko.. dami dati nilang magandang brands. pero wala na ngayon..
at para sa karamihan ng stores na ito.. me mga tinderong masungit or di namamansin or maangas or di marunong sa produkto nila..
wala na siguro akong nakalimutang store..
but wait.. ang totoong frustration ko ay..... ang bulsa ko. wala akong pambili.. i guess, napupunta sa mga dapat iprioritize.. pero ok lang.. nagpoprovide pa rin ang Diyos sa mga musical needs ko.. minsan nga pati wants eh.. haba na yata nito.. :-D :-D
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4. Set up the guitars properly before displaying - A lot of guitars that are on display are not properly set up. The bridge is too high, the intonation is off, etc. Alangan namang customer pa ang magse-set up ano? If a beginner is out to buy his first guitar, he tries out one, and ang hirap i-fret ng strings because the action is too high, he may end up not buying the guitar. But if it was properly set up and it was a joy to play, he may end up buying it.
onga nakakasar yung isang store na napuntahan ko, lahat nung classical guitar na nakadisplay ni isa ni isa walang nakatono, parang nanadya na ayaw nilang magpatest ng gitara, kaasar
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i experienced that pre.. kelangan pang tau (mga customers) ang maging pasensyoso kesa sa mga sales clerks? kakaasar tlga TO THE EXTENT THAT MY FANTASIES OF KILLING THEM('LAM NIO NA KUNG SINU TINUTUKOY KO NOH?)ARE INCREASING EXPONENTIALY.
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i experienced that pre.. kelangan pang tau (mga customers) ang maging pasensyoso kesa sa mga sales clerks? kakaasar tlga TO THE EXTENT THAT MY FANTASIES OF KILLING THEM('LAM NIO NA KUNG SINU TINUTUKOY KO NOH?)ARE INCREASING EXPONENTIALY.
:lol: :lol:
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I think everything has been said already.. :-D
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Hmm.
In my opinion, dapat silang magtayo ng establishment kung saan lahat ng stores (JB Music, Lazer, Audiophile etc...) eh nandoon. Para isang puntahan lang. Kasi sobrang hirap talaga eh.
Yung parts naman sobrang kulang sila, for example, string nut, pickguards etc...
If you're looking for an electric guitar, then go for JB Music, Lazer, Audiophile etc...
If you're looking for guitar parts, go to Sta. Mesa
Sobrang hirap kasi ng ganun eh. :D
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Hmm.
In my opinion, dapat silang magtayo ng establishment kung saan lahat ng stores (JB Music, Lazer, Audiophile etc...) eh nandoon. Para isang puntahan lang. Kasi sobrang hirap talaga eh.
Yung parts naman sobrang kulang sila, for example, string nut, pickguards etc...
If you're looking for an electric guitar, then go for JB Music, Lazer, Audiophile etc...
If you're looking for guitar parts, go to Sta. Mesa
Sobrang hirap kasi ng ganun eh. :D
i like! :lol:
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hahaha.. nalibang ako dito ah
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Salamat sa insight! :-)
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I like reading this thread. :-)
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Sa mga music stores? Sana pwede magtest kahit hindi bibili.
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hello mga ser! sa mga hindi pa nakakapunta sa PJC Music, sana maka drop by kayo dahil ang mga items namin dito ay totally magkaiba sa mga ibang music stores. we have variety of guitar parts and pedals. and we hope that we are giving you good service. but of course hindi lahat ng naisin ng musikero ay nandito pero i can assure you sa mga hindi pa nagagawi dito ang maiimpress sa mga line ups namin. thanks so much!
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they dont encourage product testing, pag di bibili
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walang pangbile, yan ang frustration ko hehehehe
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" No stairway? - denied!"
hehehe.
But on a more serious note, I wish there were even more product brands, high end products at very reasonable and competitive prices (egnater rebel 30 huhuhu) :-D
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scarce guitar parts. no good nuts, no guitar accesories and many more. buti dito may nagsship ng mga ganung items
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onga,ayaw nla magpa-test bsta basta ng gamit lalo pag ndi pa sure buyer(JB,Musar,Music World),haha unlike sa australia,ung mga nagbabantay pa ng store ung gustong ipa-test sa customer ung mga gamit nla kahit ndi bibili hehe :evil:
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Do you guys really want these music stores to change in the Philippines? Mag budget kayo lahat ng P100,000 and above for an electric guitar.
I just want to correct the expectation that Guitar Stores should be like the Garden of Eden. They ain't and are probably the worst place to buy good sounding guitars from. Most of the good sounding stuff don't end up in these guitar stores. Sure there is the one in 100 lucky pick but really the state of the retail industry is a reflection of the state of our standards and our budget. Why do I say that? Ask them if they have the right to send back inventory that does not sound good. Given the cost of freight pabalik, hindi na rin gagawin ng JB, Yamaha, at Audiophile iyan. Some USA dealers have this privilege because they control a huge amount of sales. To be a Gibson dealer, at least US$100,000 a year dapat ang order mo. So parang dapat may fifty (50) Pinoy customers ang bumili every year ng isang Historic for the same base of customers. Remember, expectation ng Gibson ay palaki ang negosyo mo. Ilan ba dito sa forum na ito ang may historic or VOS?
Right now, I am not anymore impressed with the stores here (NO EXCEPTION) and that includes Tom Lee in Hong Kong. A great majority of them -- in realms of 90% -- sound dead. So it is also in New York for me. Its simple, the guys I buy from -- the actual guys making the guitar just tell me if it sounds good or not. These guitars usually have lifetime warranties and are made of the best parts and the best woods by the best craftsmen or people with years and years of experience making guitars. And parts, halos the best parts na rin ang kabit nila. So, what parts are we talking about here? They are already standard.
A lot of comments have been made about lack of choice... Ok lets be realistic. Suppose Fender USA has a 1 in 20 chance to get a good sounding guitar. Assuming that each Fender USA Guitar is about P60k in retail and cost of goods sold is 50%, thats about P600k in inventory for some guy to make a choice and put P540k in obsolete inventory. What would you guys do with P540k? Probably buy a Soldano SLO and Diezel Herbert. Tapos marami pang magsasabi na kapantay ng Fender USA ang mga gawa ng local luthier na mas mura. So bakit ka tataya ng P540 k for one type of guitar pa lang -- strat pa lang iyon. Paano ang Tele? Paano ang charvel? Paano ang Jackson? Paano ang Gretsch? etc...
Can I try maski na wala akong pambili? Kung 100 daan kayong susubok ng PRS USA at isa lang may perang bibili, palagay niyo bibilin pa ba niya pagkatapos subukan ng 99 na hindi bibili? Kahit papaano may obligation rin ang mga stores dito sa mga taong may pang bili. How would you feel if you saved up money only to find out that the expensive guitar you wanted was man handled by 99 other people and 99 times by the salesman/men (Kasi papalit palit sila). I don't even believe that testing in local conditions is recommended dahil 1) hindi naman set up mo, 2) Ang bulok rin ng quality ng ibang kailangan mo i-test na kasama e.g. bad sounding amps, bad effects, bad signal cables, un regulated and un-grounded power supplies, etc. Pati ako mismo bumili pa ng Lovepedal COT50 para maka test lang ng gitara dito sa pinas dahil panay solid state na ang sama ng tunog ang pang testing. Mas mahal pa nga ang pedal kaysa sa mga amp na itong gawang china. Magpalagay ng Sound room? -- magkaka affair lang ang salesman at kahera at mabubuntis ang kahera. Kukuha siya ng leave at si salesman forced to resign dahil unethical ang ginawa niya. So, kulang na naman ng tao sa store para bigyan ka ng tamang attention sa bisita mo. Kaya aborido sila kung peak hours.
Parts? Sounds like some kind of right. But how many parts are we talking about here? The number of SKUs are bewildering and the number of manpower required to track that much inventory is astounding and amount of working capital (cash) required for all these parts including spares. Baka sa dami ng parts na kailangan, makaka assemble na ng mga gitara sa store. And the problem is that part suppliers have minimum order quantities that are big. Kung mag-order ka naman ng less than minimum order quantity, lahat ng fixed costs ay kailangan i-spread out sa smaller number of pieces kaya mas mataas. Tapos, sana cheap lang? Huwag kalimutan na may 12% output VAT pa.
Expensive? May fixed costs na binabayaran ang store. Rent and Utilities alone will reach up to 20% of their sales. Kailangan may air con di ba? Gastos pa iyon. Kung hindi, pumunta na lang kayo sa pier. I mean who would buy a P35k-P60k guitar in a rundown non-airconditioned shack na panay alikabok ng truck? Mag-dududa ka di ba? May working capital cost pa -- utang na binabayaran nila sa banko para masubukan mo ang 20 pieces ng Fender USA. The Philippines has one of the highest cost of money in the world. Prime rates are at 8-10%, sa Japan 0.5-1% lang. And of course, the much beloved labor which are paid at governed rates by law that have nothing do at all with efficiency or output. We have one of the lowest output per unit of money spent. May SSS pa iyon at mga leaves. May kaltas pa ang gobyerno sa income ng mga salesmen na ito. What do you expect? Most of the day they just stare at the store and test new gear and harang or nakikipag harutan sa girls... at least for some of them.
Dapat kasing presyo ng USA online price or less... ang problema kailangan itawid ang produkto across 8,000 miles ng dagat at rail. Wala naman tayong volume dahil karamihan ay bumibili sa santa mesa at raon. Hindi di naman pwede air freight dahil mahal sa pinoy kung aabot ng 20-30% ng value ng korean or china na gitara ang freight. Kung forty foot container van ang gamitin, kailangan ipuno. Kaso hindi naman mapuno dahil gumagawa pa ng gitara sina jun, elegee at mang max. Pwedeng less than container load, pero kasama mo ang mga ibang pasalubong na contraband at mercedes at BMW. Mahal pa rin aabutin per cubic meter dahil less than container and subject pa to the custom inspector's whim dahil alam niya maraming pinoy na smugglers na gumagamit ng Less Than Container load. Hihingi na lang ng lagay kaya mahal pa rin.
Wait a minute... did you know that a majority of Filipinos who will buy from these stores are actually kids with their moms and dads who will probably try out a musical instrument for one summer or a teenager in angst who does not care about tone in the long run. Siguro para sa kanila, ang p5000 ay mahal na para sa isang electric guitar at amp. Sasabihin pa nila mas cheap sa Cebu as if the best sounding guitars in the world come from Cebu. For them, a strat is a strat as long as it looks like a strat. A Gibson is a Gibson because it looks like a Gibson even if it is made in japan. Tingnan mo naman si Ramon Jacinto at Les Pu guitar niya na ka presyo lang ng isang buffet sa hotel -- sabi niya iyon. Marami na raw siyang nabenta. Tingin niyo, ilan lang ang bumili ng Taylor niya na gawang mexico?
In fact somebody once told me that the sales from the PA division and sound reinforcement keep the local big 3 dealers alive. If you look at it from a per product line basis, lugi ang gitara tapos ang arte pa kausapin dahil ang daming alma sa gitara. Ang PA mukhang boring kaya walang complaints. Sa tingin ko, masuwerte pa nga tayo may nagbebenta pa ng guitar stuff sa mall kundi lahat tayo ay pupuntang santa mesa and we have to deal with those air heads in those shops.
Nope... the number one frustration in music stores in the Philippines is the customer themselves. We get what we pay for.
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^point taken :lol:
reactions anybody? :lol:
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confirming the availability of an instrument you plan to buy, assuring that a unit is reserved just for you then when you get to the store, you'll be informed that it was sold to another customer a few hours early. hay, kakainis. sayang yung pagod papunta dun sa store, medyo malayo pa naman.
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confirming the availability of an instrument you plan to buy, assuring that a unit is reserved just for you then when you get to the store, you'll be informed that it was sold to another customer a few hours early. hay, kakainis. sayang yung pagod papunta dun sa store, medyo malayo pa naman.
Suggest you give a deposit that way may receipt ka so you can demand commitment
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test units lang at amp room ok na. :-D :-D
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Suggest you give a deposit that way may receipt ka so you can demand commitment
yeah i was supposed to do that, but i was informed through SMS that it won't be necessary since i'll be coming to the store the same day i inquired about the unit.
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confirming the availability of an instrument you plan to buy, assuring that a unit is reserved just for you then when you get to the store, you'll be informed that it was sold to another customer a few hours early. hay, kakainis. sayang yung pagod papunta dun sa store, medyo malayo pa naman.
i always do this.. itetext ko muna yung nasa store kung meron sila nung kelangan ko.. pag meron at game ako, ipapareserve ko.. did this to Audiophile Alabang a few times na.. they never failed me.. sabi nung katext ko minsan sa store, "kung gusto niyo sir ipangalan ko na muna sa akin para siguradong walang makakakuha".. i admire that sa mga music store.. :-)
medyo malayo din ako kasi galing pa ako Los Baños all the way to Alabang para lang sa item na yun..
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^point taken :lol:
reactions anybody? :lol:
sabi na nga ba't ang susunod nag mag-post sayo totally unrelated sa sinabi ni Alex. :lol:
although i have some disagreements with what Alex said, his main point is correct. some just choose to ignore his post because they refuse to see the bigger picture.
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the ugly truth:
-government(minimum salary??)
-lack of knowledge on the item that they sell(salesperson)
-demo DEMOS!!
-small parts(screws, tubes etc..)
wala na tayo magagawa kung ganyan presyo nila kasi sila din malulugi :|
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nakakalibang tong thread na to ah.. :lol:
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ay ang ayoko din pala sa music stores natin, yung ibang mga tauhan nila.. masungit na, hindi pa alam ang products nila..
anyway i salute JB harrisson and trinoma, and audiophile MOA sa mga staff nila! :-D
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ay ang ayoko din pala sa music stores natin, yung ibang mga tauhan nila.. masungit na, hindi pa alam ang products nila..
anyway i salute JB harrisson and trinoma, and audiophile MOA sa mga staff nila! :-D
+1
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my main frustration,
sana pwedeng mag online shopping. and just wait for your orders to arrive at home.
meron naring mga stores like everymusic & jbmusic that can accommodate this type of transactions
but not all. mahirap pag taga province eh. kahit decent set of strings bihira, oorder ka talaga o babyahe kapa.
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Do you guys really want these music stores to change in the Philippines? Mag budget kayo lahat ng P100,000 and above for an electric guitar.
I just want to correct the expectation that Guitar Stores should be like the Garden of Eden. They ain't and are probably the worst place to buy good sounding guitars from. Most of the good sounding stuff don't end up in these guitar stores. Sure there is the one in 100 lucky pick but really the state of the retail industry is a reflection of the state of our standards and our budget. Why do I say that? Ask them if they have the right to send back inventory that does not sound good. Given the cost of freight pabalik, hindi na rin gagawin ng JB, Yamaha, at Audiophile iyan. Some USA dealers have this privilege because they control a huge amount of sales. To be a Gibson dealer, at least US$100,000 a year dapat ang order mo. So parang dapat may fifty (50) Pinoy customers ang bumili every year ng isang Historic for the same base of customers. Remember, expectation ng Gibson ay palaki ang negosyo mo. Ilan ba dito sa forum na ito ang may historic or VOS?
Right now, I am not anymore impressed with the stores here (NO EXCEPTION) and that includes Tom Lee in Hong Kong. A great majority of them -- in realms of 90% -- sound dead. So it is also in New York for me. Its simple, the guys I buy from -- the actual guys making the guitar just tell me if it sounds good or not. These guitars usually have lifetime warranties and are made of the best parts and the best woods by the best craftsmen or people with years and years of experience making guitars. And parts, halos the best parts na rin ang kabit nila. So, what parts are we talking about here? They are already standard.
A lot of comments have been made about lack of choice... Ok lets be realistic. Suppose Fender USA has a 1 in 20 chance to get a good sounding guitar. Assuming that each Fender USA Guitar is about P60k in retail and cost of goods sold is 50%, thats about P600k in inventory for some guy to make a choice and put P540k in obsolete inventory. What would you guys do with P540k? Probably buy a Soldano SLO and Diezel Herbert. Tapos marami pang magsasabi na kapantay ng Fender USA ang mga gawa ng local luthier na mas mura. So bakit ka tataya ng P540 k for one type of guitar pa lang -- strat pa lang iyon. Paano ang Tele? Paano ang charvel? Paano ang Jackson? Paano ang Gretsch? etc...
Can I try maski na wala akong pambili? Kung 100 daan kayong susubok ng PRS USA at isa lang may perang bibili, palagay niyo bibilin pa ba niya pagkatapos subukan ng 99 na hindi bibili? Kahit papaano may obligation rin ang mga stores dito sa mga taong may pang bili. How would you feel if you saved up money only to find out that the expensive guitar you wanted was man handled by 99 other people and 99 times by the salesman/men (Kasi papalit palit sila). I don't even believe that testing in local conditions is recommended dahil 1) hindi naman set up mo, 2) Ang bulok rin ng quality ng ibang kailangan mo i-test na kasama e.g. bad sounding amps, bad effects, bad signal cables, un regulated and un-grounded power supplies, etc. Pati ako mismo bumili pa ng Lovepedal COT50 para maka test lang ng gitara dito sa pinas dahil panay solid state na ang sama ng tunog ang pang testing. Mas mahal pa nga ang pedal kaysa sa mga amp na itong gawang china. Magpalagay ng Sound room? -- magkaka affair lang ang salesman at kahera at mabubuntis ang kahera. Kukuha siya ng leave at si salesman forced to resign dahil unethical ang ginawa niya. So, kulang na naman ng tao sa store para bigyan ka ng tamang attention sa bisita mo. Kaya aborido sila kung peak hours.
Parts? Sounds like some kind of right. But how many parts are we talking about here? The number of SKUs are bewildering and the number of manpower required to track that much inventory is astounding and amount of working capital (cash) required for all these parts including spares. Baka sa dami ng parts na kailangan, makaka assemble na ng mga gitara sa store. And the problem is that part suppliers have minimum order quantities that are big. Kung mag-order ka naman ng less than minimum order quantity, lahat ng fixed costs ay kailangan i-spread out sa smaller number of pieces kaya mas mataas. Tapos, sana cheap lang? Huwag kalimutan na may 12% output VAT pa.
Expensive? May fixed costs na binabayaran ang store. Rent and Utilities alone will reach up to 20% of their sales. Kailangan may air con di ba? Gastos pa iyon. Kung hindi, pumunta na lang kayo sa pier. I mean who would buy a P35k-P60k guitar in a rundown non-airconditioned shack na panay alikabok ng truck? Mag-dududa ka di ba? May working capital cost pa -- utang na binabayaran nila sa banko para masubukan mo ang 20 pieces ng Fender USA. The Philippines has one of the highest cost of money in the world. Prime rates are at 8-10%, sa Japan 0.5-1% lang. And of course, the much beloved labor which are paid at governed rates by law that have nothing do at all with efficiency or output. We have one of the lowest output per unit of money spent. May SSS pa iyon at mga leaves. May kaltas pa ang gobyerno sa income ng mga salesmen na ito. What do you expect? Most of the day they just stare at the store and test new gear and harang or nakikipag harutan sa girls... at least for some of them.
Dapat kasing presyo ng USA online price or less... ang problema kailangan itawid ang produkto across 8,000 miles ng dagat at rail. Wala naman tayong volume dahil karamihan ay bumibili sa santa mesa at raon. Hindi di naman pwede air freight dahil mahal sa pinoy kung aabot ng 20-30% ng value ng korean or china na gitara ang freight. Kung forty foot container van ang gamitin, kailangan ipuno. Kaso hindi naman mapuno dahil gumagawa pa ng gitara sina jun, elegee at mang max. Pwedeng less than container load, pero kasama mo ang mga ibang pasalubong na contraband at mercedes at BMW. Mahal pa rin aabutin per cubic meter dahil less than container and subject pa to the custom inspector's whim dahil alam niya maraming pinoy na smugglers na gumagamit ng Less Than Container load. Hihingi na lang ng lagay kaya mahal pa rin.
Wait a minute... did you know that a majority of Filipinos who will buy from these stores are actually kids with their moms and dads who will probably try out a musical instrument for one summer or a teenager in angst who does not care about tone in the long run. Siguro para sa kanila, ang p5000 ay mahal na para sa isang electric guitar at amp. Sasabihin pa nila mas cheap sa Cebu as if the best sounding guitars in the world come from Cebu. For them, a strat is a strat as long as it looks like a strat. A Gibson is a Gibson because it looks like a Gibson even if it is made in japan. Tingnan mo naman si Ramon Jacinto at Les Pu guitar niya na ka presyo lang ng isang buffet sa hotel -- sabi niya iyon. Marami na raw siyang nabenta. Tingin niyo, ilan lang ang bumili ng Taylor niya na gawang mexico?
In fact somebody once told me that the sales from the PA division and sound reinforcement keep the local big 3 dealers alive. If you look at it from a per product line basis, lugi ang gitara tapos ang arte pa kausapin dahil ang daming alma sa gitara. Ang PA mukhang boring kaya walang complaints. Sa tingin ko, masuwerte pa nga tayo may nagbebenta pa ng guitar stuff sa mall kundi lahat tayo ay pupuntang santa mesa and we have to deal with those air heads in those shops.
Nope... the number one frustration in music stores in the Philippines is the customer themselves. We get what we pay for.
I agree, to a certain extent. There just aren't enough people to buy.
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natahimik ako sa mahabang post na yun tama naman si sir hehe..
hmmm walan gretsch white falcon dito sa pinas haha!!!lol..:)
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Do you guys really want these music stores to change in the Philippines? Mag budget kayo lahat ng P100,000 and above for an electric guitar.
I just want to correct the expectation that Guitar Stores should be like the Garden of Eden. They ain't and are probably the worst place to buy good sounding guitars from. Most of the good sounding stuff don't end up in these guitar stores. Sure there is the one in 100 lucky pick but really the state of the retail industry is a reflection of the state of our standards and our budget. Why do I say that? Ask them if they have the right to send back inventory that does not sound good. Given the cost of freight pabalik, hindi na rin gagawin ng JB, Yamaha, at Audiophile iyan. Some USA dealers have this privilege because they control a huge amount of sales. To be a Gibson dealer, at least US$100,000 a year dapat ang order mo. So parang dapat may fifty (50) Pinoy customers ang bumili every year ng isang Historic for the same base of customers. Remember, expectation ng Gibson ay palaki ang negosyo mo. Ilan ba dito sa forum na ito ang may historic or VOS?
Right now, I am not anymore impressed with the stores here (NO EXCEPTION) and that includes Tom Lee in Hong Kong. A great majority of them -- in realms of 90% -- sound dead. So it is also in New York for me. Its simple, the guys I buy from -- the actual guys making the guitar just tell me if it sounds good or not. These guitars usually have lifetime warranties and are made of the best parts and the best woods by the best craftsmen or people with years and years of experience making guitars. And parts, halos the best parts na rin ang kabit nila. So, what parts are we talking about here? They are already standard.
A lot of comments have been made about lack of choice... Ok lets be realistic. Suppose Fender USA has a 1 in 20 chance to get a good sounding guitar. Assuming that each Fender USA Guitar is about P60k in retail and cost of goods sold is 50%, thats about P600k in inventory for some guy to make a choice and put P540k in obsolete inventory. What would you guys do with P540k? Probably buy a Soldano SLO and Diezel Herbert. Tapos marami pang magsasabi na kapantay ng Fender USA ang mga gawa ng local luthier na mas mura. So bakit ka tataya ng P540 k for one type of guitar pa lang -- strat pa lang iyon. Paano ang Tele? Paano ang charvel? Paano ang Jackson? Paano ang Gretsch? etc...
Can I try maski na wala akong pambili? Kung 100 daan kayong susubok ng PRS USA at isa lang may perang bibili, palagay niyo bibilin pa ba niya pagkatapos subukan ng 99 na hindi bibili? Kahit papaano may obligation rin ang mga stores dito sa mga taong may pang bili. How would you feel if you saved up money only to find out that the expensive guitar you wanted was man handled by 99 other people and 99 times by the salesman/men (Kasi papalit palit sila). I don't even believe that testing in local conditions is recommended dahil 1) hindi naman set up mo, 2) Ang bulok rin ng quality ng ibang kailangan mo i-test na kasama e.g. bad sounding amps, bad effects, bad signal cables, un regulated and un-grounded power supplies, etc. Pati ako mismo bumili pa ng Lovepedal COT50 para maka test lang ng gitara dito sa pinas dahil panay solid state na ang sama ng tunog ang pang testing. Mas mahal pa nga ang pedal kaysa sa mga amp na itong gawang china. Magpalagay ng Sound room? -- magkaka affair lang ang salesman at kahera at mabubuntis ang kahera. Kukuha siya ng leave at si salesman forced to resign dahil unethical ang ginawa niya. So, kulang na naman ng tao sa store para bigyan ka ng tamang attention sa bisita mo. Kaya aborido sila kung peak hours.
Parts? Sounds like some kind of right. But how many parts are we talking about here? The number of SKUs are bewildering and the number of manpower required to track that much inventory is astounding and amount of working capital (cash) required for all these parts including spares. Baka sa dami ng parts na kailangan, makaka assemble na ng mga gitara sa store. And the problem is that part suppliers have minimum order quantities that are big. Kung mag-order ka naman ng less than minimum order quantity, lahat ng fixed costs ay kailangan i-spread out sa smaller number of pieces kaya mas mataas. Tapos, sana cheap lang? Huwag kalimutan na may 12% output VAT pa.
Expensive? May fixed costs na binabayaran ang store. Rent and Utilities alone will reach up to 20% of their sales. Kailangan may air con di ba? Gastos pa iyon. Kung hindi, pumunta na lang kayo sa pier. I mean who would buy a P35k-P60k guitar in a rundown non-airconditioned shack na panay alikabok ng truck? Mag-dududa ka di ba? May working capital cost pa -- utang na binabayaran nila sa banko para masubukan mo ang 20 pieces ng Fender USA. The Philippines has one of the highest cost of money in the world. Prime rates are at 8-10%, sa Japan 0.5-1% lang. And of course, the much beloved labor which are paid at governed rates by law that have nothing do at all with efficiency or output. We have one of the lowest output per unit of money spent. May SSS pa iyon at mga leaves. May kaltas pa ang gobyerno sa income ng mga salesmen na ito. What do you expect? Most of the day they just stare at the store and test new gear and harang or nakikipag harutan sa girls... at least for some of them.
Dapat kasing presyo ng USA online price or less... ang problema kailangan itawid ang produkto across 8,000 miles ng dagat at rail. Wala naman tayong volume dahil karamihan ay bumibili sa santa mesa at raon. Hindi di naman pwede air freight dahil mahal sa pinoy kung aabot ng 20-30% ng value ng korean or china na gitara ang freight. Kung forty foot container van ang gamitin, kailangan ipuno. Kaso hindi naman mapuno dahil gumagawa pa ng gitara sina jun, elegee at mang max. Pwedeng less than container load, pero kasama mo ang mga ibang pasalubong na contraband at mercedes at BMW. Mahal pa rin aabutin per cubic meter dahil less than container and subject pa to the custom inspector's whim dahil alam niya maraming pinoy na smugglers na gumagamit ng Less Than Container load. Hihingi na lang ng lagay kaya mahal pa rin.
Wait a minute... did you know that a majority of Filipinos who will buy from these stores are actually kids with their moms and dads who will probably try out a musical instrument for one summer or a teenager in angst who does not care about tone in the long run. Siguro para sa kanila, ang p5000 ay mahal na para sa isang electric guitar at amp. Sasabihin pa nila mas cheap sa Cebu as if the best sounding guitars in the world come from Cebu. For them, a strat is a strat as long as it looks like a strat. A Gibson is a Gibson because it looks like a Gibson even if it is made in japan. Tingnan mo naman si Ramon Jacinto at Les Pu guitar niya na ka presyo lang ng isang buffet sa hotel -- sabi niya iyon. Marami na raw siyang nabenta. Tingin niyo, ilan lang ang bumili ng Taylor niya na gawang mexico?
In fact somebody once told me that the sales from the PA division and sound reinforcement keep the local big 3 dealers alive. If you look at it from a per product line basis, lugi ang gitara tapos ang arte pa kausapin dahil ang daming alma sa gitara. Ang PA mukhang boring kaya walang complaints. Sa tingin ko, masuwerte pa nga tayo may nagbebenta pa ng guitar stuff sa mall kundi lahat tayo ay pupuntang santa mesa and we have to deal with those air heads in those shops.
Nope... the number one frustration in music stores in the Philippines is the customer themselves. We get what we pay for.
Money was just the problem. :-D
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"If you want me to look like a Calvin Klein guy, then you should try to look like a Victoria's Secret girl."
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"If you want me to look like a Calvin Klein guy, then you should try to look like a Victoria's Secret girl."
+1
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Parang nakakaintimidate yung ibang tao, porket bata eh uuto utuin na.
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Do you guys really want these music stores to change in the Philippines? Mag budget kayo lahat ng P100,000 and above for an electric guitar.
I just want to correct the expectation that Guitar Stores should be like the Garden of Eden. They ain't and are probably the worst place to buy good sounding guitars from. Most of the good sounding stuff don't end up in these guitar stores. Sure there is the one in 100 lucky pick but really the state of the retail industry is a reflection of the state of our standards and our budget. Why do I say that? Ask them if they have the right to send back inventory that does not sound good. Given the cost of freight pabalik, hindi na rin gagawin ng JB, Yamaha, at Audiophile iyan. Some USA dealers have this privilege because they control a huge amount of sales. To be a Gibson dealer, at least US$100,000 a year dapat ang order mo. So parang dapat may fifty (50) Pinoy customers ang bumili every year ng isang Historic for the same base of customers. Remember, expectation ng Gibson ay palaki ang negosyo mo. Ilan ba dito sa forum na ito ang may historic or VOS?
Right now, I am not anymore impressed with the stores here (NO EXCEPTION) and that includes Tom Lee in Hong Kong. A great majority of them -- in realms of 90% -- sound dead. So it is also in New York for me. Its simple, the guys I buy from -- the actual guys making the guitar just tell me if it sounds good or not. These guitars usually have lifetime warranties and are made of the best parts and the best woods by the best craftsmen or people with years and years of experience making guitars. And parts, halos the best parts na rin ang kabit nila. So, what parts are we talking about here? They are already standard.
A lot of comments have been made about lack of choice... Ok lets be realistic. Suppose Fender USA has a 1 in 20 chance to get a good sounding guitar. Assuming that each Fender USA Guitar is about P60k in retail and cost of goods sold is 50%, thats about P600k in inventory for some guy to make a choice and put P540k in obsolete inventory. What would you guys do with P540k? Probably buy a Soldano SLO and Diezel Herbert. Tapos marami pang magsasabi na kapantay ng Fender USA ang mga gawa ng local luthier na mas mura. So bakit ka tataya ng P540 k for one type of guitar pa lang -- strat pa lang iyon. Paano ang Tele? Paano ang charvel? Paano ang Jackson? Paano ang Gretsch? etc...
Can I try maski na wala akong pambili? Kung 100 daan kayong susubok ng PRS USA at isa lang may perang bibili, palagay niyo bibilin pa ba niya pagkatapos subukan ng 99 na hindi bibili? Kahit papaano may obligation rin ang mga stores dito sa mga taong may pang bili. How would you feel if you saved up money only to find out that the expensive guitar you wanted was man handled by 99 other people and 99 times by the salesman/men (Kasi papalit palit sila). I don't even believe that testing in local conditions is recommended dahil 1) hindi naman set up mo, 2) Ang bulok rin ng quality ng ibang kailangan mo i-test na kasama e.g. bad sounding amps, bad effects, bad signal cables, un regulated and un-grounded power supplies, etc. Pati ako mismo bumili pa ng Lovepedal COT50 para maka test lang ng gitara dito sa pinas dahil panay solid state na ang sama ng tunog ang pang testing. Mas mahal pa nga ang pedal kaysa sa mga amp na itong gawang china. Magpalagay ng Sound room? -- magkaka affair lang ang salesman at kahera at mabubuntis ang kahera. Kukuha siya ng leave at si salesman forced to resign dahil unethical ang ginawa niya. So, kulang na naman ng tao sa store para bigyan ka ng tamang attention sa bisita mo. Kaya aborido sila kung peak hours.
Parts? Sounds like some kind of right. But how many parts are we talking about here? The number of SKUs are bewildering and the number of manpower required to track that much inventory is astounding and amount of working capital (cash) required for all these parts including spares. Baka sa dami ng parts na kailangan, makaka assemble na ng mga gitara sa store. And the problem is that part suppliers have minimum order quantities that are big. Kung mag-order ka naman ng less than minimum order quantity, lahat ng fixed costs ay kailangan i-spread out sa smaller number of pieces kaya mas mataas. Tapos, sana cheap lang? Huwag kalimutan na may 12% output VAT pa.
Expensive? May fixed costs na binabayaran ang store. Rent and Utilities alone will reach up to 20% of their sales. Kailangan may air con di ba? Gastos pa iyon. Kung hindi, pumunta na lang kayo sa pier. I mean who would buy a P35k-P60k guitar in a rundown non-airconditioned shack na panay alikabok ng truck? Mag-dududa ka di ba? May working capital cost pa -- utang na binabayaran nila sa banko para masubukan mo ang 20 pieces ng Fender USA. The Philippines has one of the highest cost of money in the world. Prime rates are at 8-10%, sa Japan 0.5-1% lang. And of course, the much beloved labor which are paid at governed rates by law that have nothing do at all with efficiency or output. We have one of the lowest output per unit of money spent. May SSS pa iyon at mga leaves. May kaltas pa ang gobyerno sa income ng mga salesmen na ito. What do you expect? Most of the day they just stare at the store and test new gear and harang or nakikipag harutan sa girls... at least for some of them.
Dapat kasing presyo ng USA online price or less... ang problema kailangan itawid ang produkto across 8,000 miles ng dagat at rail. Wala naman tayong volume dahil karamihan ay bumibili sa santa mesa at raon. Hindi di naman pwede air freight dahil mahal sa pinoy kung aabot ng 20-30% ng value ng korean or china na gitara ang freight. Kung forty foot container van ang gamitin, kailangan ipuno. Kaso hindi naman mapuno dahil gumagawa pa ng gitara sina jun, elegee at mang max. Pwedeng less than container load, pero kasama mo ang mga ibang pasalubong na contraband at mercedes at BMW. Mahal pa rin aabutin per cubic meter dahil less than container and subject pa to the custom inspector's whim dahil alam niya maraming pinoy na smugglers na gumagamit ng Less Than Container load. Hihingi na lang ng lagay kaya mahal pa rin.
Wait a minute... did you know that a majority of Filipinos who will buy from these stores are actually kids with their moms and dads who will probably try out a musical instrument for one summer or a teenager in angst who does not care about tone in the long run. Siguro para sa kanila, ang p5000 ay mahal na para sa isang electric guitar at amp. Sasabihin pa nila mas cheap sa Cebu as if the best sounding guitars in the world come from Cebu. For them, a strat is a strat as long as it looks like a strat. A Gibson is a Gibson because it looks like a Gibson even if it is made in japan. Tingnan mo naman si Ramon Jacinto at Les Pu guitar niya na ka presyo lang ng isang buffet sa hotel -- sabi niya iyon. Marami na raw siyang nabenta. Tingin niyo, ilan lang ang bumili ng Taylor niya na gawang mexico?
In fact somebody once told me that the sales from the PA division and sound reinforcement keep the local big 3 dealers alive. If you look at it from a per product line basis, lugi ang gitara tapos ang arte pa kausapin dahil ang daming alma sa gitara. Ang PA mukhang boring kaya walang complaints. Sa tingin ko, masuwerte pa nga tayo may nagbebenta pa ng guitar stuff sa mall kundi lahat tayo ay pupuntang santa mesa and we have to deal with those air heads in those shops.
Nope... the number one frustration in music stores in the Philippines is the customer themselves. We get what we pay for.
brilliant!!!! article na to for magz....
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based on my computations and observations, yung patong nila is usually approx. 80% of the internet price (depende pa yon sa exchange rate nung time na kinuha nila yung item). there are some exceptions of course like some of the ibanez guitars in audiophile. ok yung mga prices nila don. sa PJC rin minsan medyo ok (approx. 44% from the internet price). sa everymusic they're pretty much current with exchange rate, tapos yon, add the 44%, you get their price.
i could be wrong but yeah, this is what i use in case i'm too lazy to the store to ask for the price of a specific item.
Reklamo kayo ng reklamo...Una kung bumili kayo online eh nakakasiguro ba kayo na maayos yung darating na item? Second, yung price na ipinagyayabang ninyo eh kasama ba ang freight papunta dito? Third, pag may problema under warranty (in case of electronics), sino magbabayad ng service at freight?
Look you always get what you pay for....naknam...puro kayo reklamo pero ayaw magbayad ng maayos....Kaya mas mataas ang presyo dito eh una may tao kayong kausap, bayad na taxes niyan (kung matino kayong Pilipino), at meron silang pwesto na pede puntahan at rekisahin ang item....at pag nasira yung gamit meron kayong pwede murahin dito...o ano nasa inyo na kung saan kayo bibili
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Do you guys really want these music stores to change in the Philippines? Mag budget kayo lahat ng P100,000 and above for an electric guitar.
I just want to correct the expectation that Guitar Stores should be like the Garden of Eden. They ain't and are probably the worst place to buy good sounding guitars from. Most of the good sounding stuff don't end up in these guitar stores. Sure there is the one in 100 lucky pick but really the state of the retail industry is a reflection of the state of our standards and our budget. Why do I say that? Ask them if they have the right to send back inventory that does not sound good. Given the cost of freight pabalik, hindi na rin gagawin ng JB, Yamaha, at Audiophile iyan. Some USA dealers have this privilege because they control a huge amount of sales. To be a Gibson dealer, at least US$100,000 a year dapat ang order mo. So parang dapat may fifty (50) Pinoy customers ang bumili every year ng isang Historic for the same base of customers. Remember, expectation ng Gibson ay palaki ang negosyo mo. Ilan ba dito sa forum na ito ang may historic or VOS?
Right now, I am not anymore impressed with the stores here (NO EXCEPTION) and that includes Tom Lee in Hong Kong. A great majority of them -- in realms of 90% -- sound dead. So it is also in New York for me. Its simple, the guys I buy from -- the actual guys making the guitar just tell me if it sounds good or not. These guitars usually have lifetime warranties and are made of the best parts and the best woods by the best craftsmen or people with years and years of experience making guitars. And parts, halos the best parts na rin ang kabit nila. So, what parts are we talking about here? They are already standard.
A lot of comments have been made about lack of choice... Ok lets be realistic. Suppose Fender USA has a 1 in 20 chance to get a good sounding guitar. Assuming that each Fender USA Guitar is about P60k in retail and cost of goods sold is 50%, thats about P600k in inventory for some guy to make a choice and put P540k in obsolete inventory. What would you guys do with P540k? Probably buy a Soldano SLO and Diezel Herbert. Tapos marami pang magsasabi na kapantay ng Fender USA ang mga gawa ng local luthier na mas mura. So bakit ka tataya ng P540 k for one type of guitar pa lang -- strat pa lang iyon. Paano ang Tele? Paano ang charvel? Paano ang Jackson? Paano ang Gretsch? etc...
Can I try maski na wala akong pambili? Kung 100 daan kayong susubok ng PRS USA at isa lang may perang bibili, palagay niyo bibilin pa ba niya pagkatapos subukan ng 99 na hindi bibili? Kahit papaano may obligation rin ang mga stores dito sa mga taong may pang bili. How would you feel if you saved up money only to find out that the expensive guitar you wanted was man handled by 99 other people and 99 times by the salesman/men (Kasi papalit palit sila). I don't even believe that testing in local conditions is recommended dahil 1) hindi naman set up mo, 2) Ang bulok rin ng quality ng ibang kailangan mo i-test na kasama e.g. bad sounding amps, bad effects, bad signal cables, un regulated and un-grounded power supplies, etc. Pati ako mismo bumili pa ng Lovepedal COT50 para maka test lang ng gitara dito sa pinas dahil panay solid state na ang sama ng tunog ang pang testing. Mas mahal pa nga ang pedal kaysa sa mga amp na itong gawang china. Magpalagay ng Sound room? -- magkaka affair lang ang salesman at kahera at mabubuntis ang kahera. Kukuha siya ng leave at si salesman forced to resign dahil unethical ang ginawa niya. So, kulang na naman ng tao sa store para bigyan ka ng tamang attention sa bisita mo. Kaya aborido sila kung peak hours.
Parts? Sounds like some kind of right. But how many parts are we talking about here? The number of SKUs are bewildering and the number of manpower required to track that much inventory is astounding and amount of working capital (cash) required for all these parts including spares. Baka sa dami ng parts na kailangan, makaka assemble na ng mga gitara sa store. And the problem is that part suppliers have minimum order quantities that are big. Kung mag-order ka naman ng less than minimum order quantity, lahat ng fixed costs ay kailangan i-spread out sa smaller number of pieces kaya mas mataas. Tapos, sana cheap lang? Huwag kalimutan na may 12% output VAT pa.
Expensive? May fixed costs na binabayaran ang store. Rent and Utilities alone will reach up to 20% of their sales. Kailangan may air con di ba? Gastos pa iyon. Kung hindi, pumunta na lang kayo sa pier. I mean who would buy a P35k-P60k guitar in a rundown non-airconditioned shack na panay alikabok ng truck? Mag-dududa ka di ba? May working capital cost pa -- utang na binabayaran nila sa banko para masubukan mo ang 20 pieces ng Fender USA. The Philippines has one of the highest cost of money in the world. Prime rates are at 8-10%, sa Japan 0.5-1% lang. And of course, the much beloved labor which are paid at governed rates by law that have nothing do at all with efficiency or output. We have one of the lowest output per unit of money spent. May SSS pa iyon at mga leaves. May kaltas pa ang gobyerno sa income ng mga salesmen na ito. What do you expect? Most of the day they just stare at the store and test new gear and harang or nakikipag harutan sa girls... at least for some of them.
Dapat kasing presyo ng USA online price or less... ang problema kailangan itawid ang produkto across 8,000 miles ng dagat at rail. Wala naman tayong volume dahil karamihan ay bumibili sa santa mesa at raon. Hindi di naman pwede air freight dahil mahal sa pinoy kung aabot ng 20-30% ng value ng korean or china na gitara ang freight. Kung forty foot container van ang gamitin, kailangan ipuno. Kaso hindi naman mapuno dahil gumagawa pa ng gitara sina jun, elegee at mang max. Pwedeng less than container load, pero kasama mo ang mga ibang pasalubong na contraband at mercedes at BMW. Mahal pa rin aabutin per cubic meter dahil less than container and subject pa to the custom inspector's whim dahil alam niya maraming pinoy na smugglers na gumagamit ng Less Than Container load. Hihingi na lang ng lagay kaya mahal pa rin.
Wait a minute... did you know that a majority of Filipinos who will buy from these stores are actually kids with their moms and dads who will probably try out a musical instrument for one summer or a teenager in angst who does not care about tone in the long run. Siguro para sa kanila, ang p5000 ay mahal na para sa isang electric guitar at amp. Sasabihin pa nila mas cheap sa Cebu as if the best sounding guitars in the world come from Cebu. For them, a strat is a strat as long as it looks like a strat. A Gibson is a Gibson because it looks like a Gibson even if it is made in japan. Tingnan mo naman si Ramon Jacinto at Les Pu guitar niya na ka presyo lang ng isang buffet sa hotel -- sabi niya iyon. Marami na raw siyang nabenta. Tingin niyo, ilan lang ang bumili ng Taylor niya na gawang mexico?
In fact somebody once told me that the sales from the PA division and sound reinforcement keep the local big 3 dealers alive. If you look at it from a per product line basis, lugi ang gitara tapos ang arte pa kausapin dahil ang daming alma sa gitara. Ang PA mukhang boring kaya walang complaints. Sa tingin ko, masuwerte pa nga tayo may nagbebenta pa ng guitar stuff sa mall kundi lahat tayo ay pupuntang santa mesa and we have to deal with those air heads in those shops.
Nope... the number one frustration in music stores in the Philippines is the customer themselves. We get what we pay for.
VERY NICE AND VERY TRUTHFUL POST....HOY MGA REKLAMADOR ANO MASASABI NINYO!
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Hmmm, I'm not gonna complain about the stocks and whatever is not available in a music store. But having experienced being in Guitar Center CA and IL, I'm wondering what's keeping the local music stores from being at par with them in terms of making customers feel welcome and encourage interest in playing an instrument. This way you don't just attract musicians but curious individuals who may just get into music because they were allowed to look closer, touch and feel the atmosphere of a friendly show room type environment. It's difficult to describe, but imagine a music store that when you walk in you see guitars and amps paired up and setup with cables and stools. So all you have to do is sit down and play. Not to mention that sample stomp boxes and effects are just there lying around with a sticker on it saying "Try Me!!!"
Sinong hindi magkaka-interes sa ganitong setup? Even non musicians may just get in to the hobby.
Sorry pero you cannot compare apples and oranges....Magkano average na sahod dito as compared sa USA? There is no debate on buying capabilities of Americans. Therefore you cannot afford to let every Juan and Pedro test especially an expensive guitar only to depreciate it's value. Di tulad sa USA eh peanuts lang ang pagbili ng gamit para sa kanila.
Now if anyone thinks they can do a better job, then open your own shop dito kahit magpagamit kayo as dummy ng shops you can find in America para maka conduct kayo ng business dito. I love to see these shops close down without lifting a finger. :evil:
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Parang nakakaintimidate yung ibang tao, porket bata eh uuto utuin na.
uu nga po prang po dti sa local store po d2 smin ung bgo pong tindera d ako pinapansin.....nag tanung ako ng string tinetechnical pa ako mali naman hehe.......d lang nya alam bestfriend ako nung may ari nung store hehe.......
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"If you want me to look like a Calvin Klein guy, then you should try to look like a Victoria's Secret girl."
/thread
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no wonder bagsakan talaga tayo ng mga NG!!!(no good) pa custom na lang kayo!!!
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firemodel's post in this thread is one of the best "editorials" ive read.
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limited choices! mga maayos na mic, gitara mejo madami pero sa classical guitar kawawa, at mayayabang na tindero :x
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It's that I can't afford most of the stuff that I want. LOL!
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limited choices! mga maayos na mic, gitara mejo madami pero sa classical guitar kawawa, at mayayabang na tindero :x
i would agree pero bilang lang yan...bulong ko na lang sa iyo kung sino yun..
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My first time at guitar central, thanks to markv for encouraging me to hang out here, I'm always at the classifieds.
This was a very interesting post, I've learned a lot just reading through, and yes I've had my frustrations.
Being in any business, a music store as such will have risks, and I guess as customers, we just demand a little respect for the well earned money we are willing to invest. Whatever product we are buying may it be a guitar, an amp or a pick, we are still patronizing their products. In my point of view the only way we will know that a product suits us is if it grows on you when you test it. Trying out products in a music store is a risk which the store must expect to take. It is also risk for us customers by shelling out those big bucks.
It's proper training on customer service and customer care which the store needs to take into consideration with their staff. A big part of it is our culture which is now slowly deteriorating that we need to change, it is how we judge our own based on appearance, how some are just lazy and unenthusiastic to demonstrate what the product really is mainly due to their very minimal salaries. The hard part for them is cleaning it up and placing it back on the stand if a customer doesnt buy. Well it's all part of their responsibility working as a sales person. Back in the 90's when you pay for something did we ever encounter a cashier asking..."maam or sir...meron po ba kayong piso?" for them to give exact change? rarely, now it's everywhere...for me this is a sign of laziness. Yes we are far off in customer service compared to the stores abroad.
As for prices, it's our government. I work for an international coureir company and yes, customs taxes everything not considerd as a document these days.
A tip:
Know the mall's admin office...we have every right to complain of rude employees, at least the owner of the store will be aware, and do it in writing. :lol:
Stores in Makati with friendly customer service at least are:
Audiophile MCS
Perfect Pitch Park Square - I was not happy with the SD-1 I bought and they replaced it with a TR-2, just had to add a little, but off course I was in my barong uniform.
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What are your frustrations regarding music stores in the Philippines?
may mga maagas.
:D
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Being in any business, a music store as such will have risks, and I guess as customers, we just demand a little respect for the well earned money we are willing to invest. Whatever product we are buying may it be a guitar, an amp or a pick, we are still patronizing their products. In my point of view the only way we will know that a product suits us is if it grows on you when you test it. Trying out products in a music store is a risk which the store must expect to take. It is also risk for us customers by shelling out those big bucks.
It's proper training on customer service and customer care which the store needs to take into consideration with their staff. A big part of it is our culture which is now slowly deteriorating that we need to change, it is how we judge our own based on appearance, how some are just lazy and unenthusiastic to demonstrate what the product really is mainly due to their very minimal salaries. The hard part for them is cleaning it up and placing it back on the stand if a customer doesnt buy. Well it's all part of their responsibility working as a sales person. Back in the 90's when you pay for something did we ever encounter a cashier asking..."maam or sir...meron po ba kayong piso?" for them to give exact change? rarely, now it's everywhere...for me this is a sign of laziness. Yes we are far off in customer service compared to the stores abroad.
As for prices, it's our government. I work for an international coureir company and yes, customs taxes everything not considerd as a document these days.
A tip:
Know the mall's admin office...we have every right to complain of rude employees, at least the owner of the store will be aware, and do it in writing. :lol:
Stores in Makati with friendly customer service at least are:
Audiophile MCS
Perfect Pitch Park Square - I was not happy with the SD-1 I bought and they replaced it with a TR-2, just had to add a little, but off course I was in my barong uniform.
Sorry but I don't think it is a fair comparison between an online store and the one you see around like Audiophile/JB Music/Perfect Pitch etc. With an online store you cannot test it before you even lay down your cards. I have not heard anybody here whine about that so I feel that is totally unfair. Because of plain simple mathematics and economics, not all deserves a test drive. I sold a digital console overseas worth millions of pesos here even without letting every sound guy touch it for the owner. Much like a car showroom, you cannot test every color of the same model of car to find out which one suits you should you decide to get one or even just look around.
With your concern about asking for change, back in the days gone by long time ago you have to remember there was no 500 peso bill . As the money supply inflates there is a need for more loose change. You ought to know that these shops do not have anything in the cash drawer when they start the day so don't expect them to give you change for 1000 pesos when all you will buy is just a guitar pick. A lot of companies do not trust much their people. As customers we ought to show some good manners and reasonable consideration. I have been also asked for loose change even in the US when I had only a hundred dollar bill to pay for a few bottles of beer.
Unenthusiastic because of low pay??? Yes, you are right on that. However, companies here cannot afford to pay higher salaries because of the low margins they could only make for the product being sold. Much worse a lot expect AP/JB/PP to drop off their pants just because Sweetwater has a lower price....
C'mon guys.....be realistic.....
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wala naman dapat frustrations...
kaya lang nagkakaroon kasi, na c-compare sa mga music stores sa mga "rich" countries.
IMO
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..lots of love sa thread na to :lol: :lol: :lol:
envy
greed
GAS
walang pera
di bale nang magutom basta may gitara at gadget lang
daming kulang
pride
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hindi completo ung guitars d2. squiers na nga lang di pa complete. hanap ako ng hanap ng j5 squier tele. wala d2 kahit saan. kailangan pa talaga iimport.
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Yung nakakainis minsan, pag bumili ka ng gamit sakanila tapos nagsale kinabukasan at nagmura, di mo maibabalik yung pera na nalugi sayo. Sa ibang lugar like US e narereimburse yung customer kung ganun man yung kaso, pakita mo lang resibo mo.
Ayun, bukod sa mga kulang-kulang na pagpipilian, mga tao at iba pa. Kakafrustrate talaga pag wala kang pambili. Hehehe
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yeah, very true an laki ng patong ng mga stores, internet prices napakamura tapus pagdating dito doble na yung price, parang nung pumunta ako sa isang music store sa ali-mall cubao, yung Crate v33h na tube amp head $329 = 16121 pesos lang pero pagdating dun naging 27k ata yun kung indi ako nagkakamali...halos DOBLE yung persyo, ganun din sa ibang mga stores... Tapus ala ding mga accessories, mga Tubes, Jensen Speakers, mga Guitar Parts, Musicman Guitars din, andaming essential na kagamitan na hindi mu makakamit dito sa pinas... tapus mga suplado suplada pa mga nag bebenta sa mga stores!!! nakaka frustrate lang... hehehe :-)
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hi forumites,
i have the same frustrations sa mga nasabi na sa thread..kaya when i did my thesis in college..it was all about those stuff that i wanted sana na meron sa pinas.. it's a combination of all the guitar shops,luthier shops and a guitar factory...my professor was excited about it..kasi it could be a nice landmark in the Philippines...imagine a whole guitar complex...it's like making the whole CCP complex become a site for anything about the guitar...
but then after much research..nothing much helped me in trying to make this kind of project feasible...wala ako makuhang sources that could support the thesis...buti nlng architecture ang course ko kc kung nasa marketing or anything about money ang course ko eh i would really fail the thesis..kasi sa statistics ng government wala talaga msydo naipakitang numbers that there is a great need for anything guitar related stuff to be sold here in the Philippines..the percentage of people who would actually spend money on musical instruments is pretty low daw..
so anyway, i passed my thesis..and here are some of the pictures of the PINOY GUITAR COMPLEX:...
(http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll222/jrlucilo/097fe537.jpg)
(http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll222/jrlucilo/52694b92.jpg)
(http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll222/jrlucilo/b9f17464.jpg)
try to imagine that all your frustrations could be solved by this facility!..hahaah!
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hi forumites,
i have the same frustrations sa mga nasabi na sa thread..kaya when i did my thesis in college..it was all about those stuff that i wanted sana na meron sa pinas.. it's a combination of all the guitar shops,luthier shops and a guitar factory...my professor was excited about it..kasi it could be a nice landmark in the Philippines...imagine a whole guitar complex...it's like making the whole CCP complex become a site for anything about the guitar...
but then after much research..nothing much helped me in trying to make this kind of project feasible...wala ako makuhang sources that could support the thesis...buti nlng architecture ang course ko kc kung nasa marketing or anything about money ang course ko eh i would really fail the thesis..kasi sa statistics ng government wala talaga msydo naipakitang numbers that there is a great need for anything guitar related stuff to be sold here in the Philippines..the percentage of people who would actually spend money on musical instruments is pretty low daw..
so anyway, i passed my thesis..and here are some of the pictures of the PINOY GUITAR COMPLEX:...
(http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll222/jrlucilo/097fe537.jpg)
(http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll222/jrlucilo/52694b92.jpg)
(http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll222/jrlucilo/b9f17464.jpg)
try to imagine that all your frustrations could be solved by this facility!..hahaah!
nice.. now, if only all the people in the Phils. would go playing guitars and such then it will be a great hit!! :-D sadly that cant happen... or will it? :-o :-o
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hi forumites,
i have the same frustrations sa mga nasabi na sa thread..kaya when i did my thesis in college..it was all about those stuff that i wanted sana na meron sa pinas.. it's a combination of all the guitar shops,luthier shops and a guitar factory...my professor was excited about it..kasi it could be a nice landmark in the Philippines...imagine a whole guitar complex...it's like making the whole CCP complex become a site for anything about the guitar...
but then after much research..nothing much helped me in trying to make this kind of project feasible...wala ako makuhang sources that could support the thesis...buti nlng architecture ang course ko kc kung nasa marketing or anything about money ang course ko eh i would really fail the thesis..kasi sa statistics ng government wala talaga msydo naipakitang numbers that there is a great need for anything guitar related stuff to be sold here in the Philippines..the percentage of people who would actually spend money on musical instruments is pretty low daw..
so anyway, i passed my thesis..and here are some of the pictures of the PINOY GUITAR COMPLEX:...
try to imagine that all your frustrations could be solved by this facility!..hahaah!
Wow! Kung matuloy man yan, baka diyan na ako tumira. :-D
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Wow! Kung matuloy man yan, baka diyan na ako tumira. :-D
oo nga sir lagyan mo residential.....maraming building bawat building pangalan ng gitara ang pangalan.........dapat mura lang yung rates....
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well said firemodel55...
:-D
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damn tapos mayroong trabaho para sa mga guitaristang tambay heheh...ganda ng complex sir...
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hi forumites,
i have the same frustrations sa mga nasabi na sa thread..kaya when i did my thesis in college..it was all about those stuff that i wanted sana na meron sa pinas.. it's a combination of all the guitar shops,luthier shops and a guitar factory...my professor was excited about it..kasi it could be a nice landmark in the Philippines...imagine a whole guitar complex...it's like making the whole CCP complex become a site for anything about the guitar...
but then after much research..nothing much helped me in trying to make this kind of project feasible...wala ako makuhang sources that could support the thesis...buti nlng architecture ang course ko kc kung nasa marketing or anything about money ang course ko eh i would really fail the thesis..kasi sa statistics ng government wala talaga msydo naipakitang numbers that there is a great need for anything guitar related stuff to be sold here in the Philippines..the percentage of people who would actually spend money on musical instruments is pretty low daw..
so anyway, i passed my thesis..and here are some of the pictures of the PINOY GUITAR COMPLEX:...
(http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll222/jrlucilo/097fe537.jpg)
(http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll222/jrlucilo/52694b92.jpg)
(http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll222/jrlucilo/b9f17464.jpg)
try to imagine that all your frustrations could be solved by this facility!..hahaah!
ok ang guitar complex model mo kalel....
ironic no? we're supposed to be a music loving nation, pero ang low ng demand for guitars or any other musical instruments
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ironic no? we're supposed to be a music loving nation, pero ang low ng demand for guitars or any other musical instruments
there's this thing called economy..
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sir bryan US based po kayo diba?
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JB Music/Sports Trinoma not very accomodating mga nagbebenta. Maalam sila masyado paano magkakainterest mga potential buyers nila.
Ayaw magpatesting at mukhang nangmamata sila ng tao... that branch is a down for me... :x
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sir bryan US based po kayo diba?
i guess..
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i just don't like the way attendants from some music stores treat female customers like me who inquire about their items. they tend to talk down on me as if i didn't know what i was talking about or what i was looking for. :roll:
also, there's this one store that i really disliked the service kasi when i entered the store, wala man lang nagapproach sa akin to assist me. and nung meron ngang lumapit finally to answer my questions, parang naistorbo ko pa siya sa ginagawa niya kaya medyo masungit siya sa akin or pinresyuhan ako agad.
but on the flipside, im particularly happy with attendants from Perfect Pitch Park Square, Yupangco main office, The Music Source, Hi-Fi Lounge, Audiophile MOA and MCS, and JB Harrison Plaza.
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grabe dumugo na ilong ko
nung sinimulan ko basahin tong thread na to
parang usual rants lang
tapos habang tumatagal sumeseryoso na
kung tutuusin
ayoko talaga bilhin yung naka display
kasi alam kong yun nga yung less naalagaan plus
yun din yung tinetesting ng ibang tao
sino nga naman gugustuhin bilhin ang gitarang kung sinu-sino na ang
humawak bago umabot sayo diba?
anyway, okay na sana
tanggap ko naman yung price kasi nga naman
rent, tax, etc
kaso yung service naman
parang mas kadalasan
kung hindi nagmamarunong
parang halos ayaw na magbenta
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na inspire ako ng thread na 'to na mag ipon at di na ituloy ang pag GAS sa guitar! :-D
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gwabe heart to heart tong thread na to..
sayang walang supplier ang ESP Dealer dito..
kapag kasi nag papaship ka dito ng guitar ang laki n ng patong (tax, shipping fee, and etc)
pero buti may audiophile dito para kahit ibanez hindi ipinag kait saten..
(audiophile loyalist ako eh mura na.. quality pa.. tapos okay pa ung mga clerk)
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^dilang esp bro gibson at epiphone madalang nag stostock......mga tube amps masyadong limited ang selection......at randall sana may dumating dito sa pinas gusto yung kirk hammett signiture hehe.....
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GUSTO KO NG BC RICH!!!!! ang limited ng selection d2
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GUSTO KO NG BC RICH!!!!! ang limited ng selection d2
Anung connect sa topic?
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GUSTO KO NG BC RICH!!!!! ang limited ng selection d2
Anung connect sa topic?
Frustrated dahil konti lang selection ng BC Rich sa stores. :wink:
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agree with firemodel on customs/shipping issues. chinese made Lp's on music stores here at 34-45k?.......tsk tsk tsk. i say get to the source oops :evil: if you have a friend or relative coming back from US you can ask them to buy a US made guitar for you. when you ship be prepared for taxes. funny when you get a notice that your item has arrived from post office whereas you already paid door-to-door delivery at fedex or dhl. when you buy a pair of shoe they charge you by half. no wonder those prices soar.
i went to perfect pitch one time and asked about fender tele mic, cost was 55k. after 2 days i went back 57k na sya....b s. even salespeople ripping you off.
here in ch you can test everything. when you buy 1, best friend na kayo. one time i asked the sales person what do you think about this brand and he said dont buy it...... its an old model blah blah, ill give you a better one at the same price. i tested it and he was right. here in ph, man you need to look like a buyer before they entertain you. show me the money :evil:
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how about Lazer stores any stories happened to you there?
PUGAY!!!
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how about Lazer stores any stories happened to you there?
PUGAY!!!
Ako meron. Dati kasi nagpapa-adjust ako ng truss rod sakanila at ang normal na singil nila sa ganoon eh P120, aba, eh yung isang staff dun eh sabi ba naman "Sige para sayo P300 nalang kasama strings (ALICE)". Tapos sabi ko "Boss akala ko ba P120 lang?" Sabi niya pa "P400" nga singil namin jan eh.
Hay, nananamantala ng customers, kaya yun, nagsara yung branch nila, dala siguro ng KARMA para sakanila.
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i just don't like the way attendants from some music stores treat female customers like me who inquire about their items. they tend to talk down on me as if i didn't know what i was talking about or what i was looking for. :roll:
also, there's this one store that i really disliked the service kasi when i entered the store, wala man lang nagapproach sa akin to assist me. and nung meron ngang lumapit finally to answer my questions, parang naistorbo ko pa siya sa ginagawa niya kaya medyo masungit siya sa akin or pinresyuhan ako agad.
but on the flipside, im particularly happy with attendants from Perfect Pitch Park Square, Yupangco main office, The Music Source, Hi-Fi Lounge, Audiophile MOA and MCS, and JB Harrison Plaza.
happens not just to women but men too. this is a fault of the people that they hire, you find em everywhere around the world.
the guitar/ music complex is a fine, idealistic idea but like bryan said, there is this thing called economics and unless you can justify to someone that there is a feasible financial return for an investment to put up a place that will make luthiery, performing arts and craftsmanship available to all, you will be hardpressed to make it a reality. if the economic model for existing places like lazer and similar shops are not as promising (given the runaround of employees, stock profits and such), as an investor, i'd need way more assurance than catering to the country's love for music to put my investment through......financial return is key and if the data models don't look promising and supportive, it'd be a tough sell.
seems to me that stores could, at the very least, stop hiring people who don't know squat to improve the retention of customers and beef up their marketing strategy instead of trying to gouge prices on instruments that shouldn't even be marked up as high as the reports indicate. i remember walking into a perfect pitch back in the day and seeing a strat with rusty @ss strings...way to go on the marketing and promotion imagery.....
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High prices limited choices :-D
Soooo trueee!
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how about Lazer stores any stories happened to you there?
PUGAY!!!
guys at Lazer ali mall cubao are ok. they let me try out 4 guitars on the display. some guys were eating though. the music source beside lazer are also cool. "magkano yun artec? 3.1k po sir, huh? sa web nyo 2.8k lang ah, a ser pwede natin discount yan, (sabay kuha ng calculator)" :lol:
sa lazer sm fairview. "bago ba ito? yes ser 3 months pa lang! etc. etc. anong material to mahogany, alder, basswood? sabay punta sa counter kinuha yun booklet, ah mahogany ser! :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Mga supladong customer attendants na hindi alam products na binebenta nila. :x
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eto sobrang nakaka inis..
Audiophile ortigas (thru phone)
me: may stock po ba kayo ng tl2?.. hardwire tl2 po
him: ano po?
me: HARDWIRE TEE ELL TOOOO Metal distortion po
him: ah teka lang ho sir..
after a few minutes...
him: meron sir nag iisa nalang ho.
me: kukunin ko na pupunta na ako jan ngayon mismo.
him: o cge ho sir antayin ko kayo.
pag dating ko kinuha nya kagad yung item tapos na se set-up na sya for sound test, tapos napansin ko iba yung kulay ng pedal.
me: kuya, tl2 ba yan?
him: oo(habang nag aayos ng cables)
me: bat iba kulay?
him: ay hindi ba eto un?...
me: :?
him ay CM2 tube overdrive pala
me: ha? [nag titimpi, nawala ang excitement, nasayang oras, nasayang bayad sa taxi]
him: hindi yata tayo nag ka intindihan...
me: :-( :? :| :x
galing pa naman ako ng north fairview nun, bayad ko sa taxi 260. hindi man lang sya humingi ng dispensa zzzz
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guys at Lazer ali mall cubao are ok. they let me try out 4 guitars on the display. some guys were eating though. the music source beside lazer are also cool. "magkano yun artec? 3.1k po sir, huh? sa web nyo 2.8k lang ah, a ser pwede natin discount yan, (sabay kuha ng calculator)" :lol:
FYI, the prices really increased by that time. a new price list was posted on theguitarden site. we're sorry, though. :-)
oh yeah. Those guys at Lazer Ali Mall are kwela! :-)
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exclusivity of brands.
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FYI, the prices really increased by that time. a new price list was posted on theguitarden site. we're sorry, though. :-)
oh yeah. Those guys at Lazer Ali Mall are kwela! :-)
actually ikaw ang nagsabi sa akin na 2.8k yon kaya akala nun time na yun ganun pa rin ang price :lol: anyway, binili ko naman hehe. hindi kaya ikaw yun kumuha ng calculator? :lol: :lol: :lol:
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actually ikaw ang nagsabi sa akin na 2.8k yon kaya akala nun time na yun ganun pa rin ang price :lol: anyway, binili ko naman hehe. hindi kaya ikaw yun kumuha ng calculator? :lol: :lol: :lol:
it's not me. there was a conflict with that price issue rin kasi. anyway, thanks for bearing with us :-)
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nung bumili ako ng pickup sa TMS chill na chil lang sila sir dakukoy dun sa loob ng store :-D .........bait pa nung cashier......
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it's not me. there was a conflict with that price issue rin kasi. anyway, thanks for bearing with us :-)
everything's cool bro, mabuhay kayo and the music source :-)
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hi forumites,
i have the same frustrations sa mga nasabi na sa thread..kaya when i did my thesis in college..it was all about those stuff that i wanted sana na meron sa pinas.. it's a combination of all the guitar shops,luthier shops and a guitar factory...my professor was excited about it..kasi it could be a nice landmark in the Philippines...imagine a whole guitar complex...it's like making the whole CCP complex become a site for anything about the guitar...
but then after much research..nothing much helped me in trying to make this kind of project feasible...wala ako makuhang sources that could support the thesis...buti nlng architecture ang course ko kc kung nasa marketing or anything about money ang course ko eh i would really fail the thesis..kasi sa statistics ng government wala talaga msydo naipakitang numbers that there is a great need for anything guitar related stuff to be sold here in the Philippines..the percentage of people who would actually spend money on musical instruments is pretty low daw..
so anyway, i passed my thesis..and here are some of the pictures of the PINOY GUITAR COMPLEX:...
(http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll222/jrlucilo/097fe537.jpg)
(http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll222/jrlucilo/52694b92.jpg)
(http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll222/jrlucilo/b9f17464.jpg)
try to imagine that all your frustrations could be solved by this facility!..hahaah!
wow brad astig ito!
would've been better kung nag-materialize to.
amazing concept! astig din yung parang bridge sa top floor, with the fret inlays and all haha.
may pics ka ng interiors? haha joooooooooke
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Isa sa frustration ko noon sa mga music stores tulad ng JB, RJ, Perfect Pitch, yamaha, etc. ay yung hindi ako makabili..............................kasi wala akong pambili. :-Dhehehe
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sobrang nakakatawa naman mga experience nyo sa mag music stores dito...
pero dats reality ganyan talaga naman ang mga na eexperience natin e...
dapat talaga bago nila pakawalan sa floor mga staff nila na train muna sila ng
maigi about their products and how to handle customers.
kahit konting training lng sa coustomer relations like fast foods are doing.
kaso pagka hire sa kanila sabak na yata sila agad e...
kaya ayun pag may nagtanong ng medyo technical ayos plakda na...
sa experience ko dyan naman pasado ang mga taga Audiophile...they know their products..
PUGAY!!!
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sobrang nakakatawa naman mga experience nyo sa mag music stores dito...
pero dats reality ganyan talaga naman ang mga na eexperience natin e...
dapat talaga bago nila pakawalan sa floor mga staff nila na train muna sila ng
maigi about their products and how to handle customers.
kahit konting training lng sa coustomer relations like fast foods are doing.
kaso pagka hire sa kanila sabak na yata sila agad e...
kaya ayun pag may nagtanong ng medyo technical ayos plakda na...
sa experience ko dyan naman pasado ang mga taga Audiophile...they know their products..
PUGAY!!!
audiophile rocks sa MOA ang bait ng mga tao, pati pa yung isang guitar god dun na nkabantay heheh
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we need more resources man. that's why people prefer to order on ebay...maybe if we can be like japan music stores that would be really great! :mrgreen:
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audiophile rocks sa MOA ang bait ng mga tao, pati pa yung isang guitar god dun na nkabantay heheh
+10 to this man... sana ganyan lahat ng music store....
we need more resources man. that's why people prefer to order on ebay...maybe if we can be like japan music stores that would be really great! :mrgreen:
i think this thread can be a shout out sa mga music stores out there, we know that most of their staff are fellow philmusicians...
but for me above all the music stores here in manila RJ music has d less rating... tamad mga tao nila...
PUGAY!!!
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+10 to this man... sana ganyan lahat ng music store....
i think this thread can be a shout out sa mga music stores out there, we know that most of their staff are fellow philmusicians...
but for me above all the music stores here in manila RJ music has d less rating... tamad mga tao nila...
PUGAY!!!
sir kilala mo ba dyan mabagsik na guitarista sa MOA audiophile branch???i have some hunch pero im not sure
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sir kilala mo ba dyan mabagsik na guitarista sa MOA audiophile branch???i have some hunch pero im not sure
Albert Montinola --- ex-FUSEBOXX, MAJESTY, JEROME ABALOS
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naasar ako sa Audiophile Cubao,
me: sir magkano toh?
him: (tingin sa list then) P9,150 po sir.
me: pwede po matry?
him: ... (walang salita salita, bitbit gitara, hugot ng cable, sabay kabit dun sa amplifier na di pa naka ayos sabay ALIS)
wala sa tono gitara, yung ampli di pa naka ayos, di ko naman maayos kinabit nya dun sa sulok kung saan may mga nakaharang na iba pang amplifier eh, tapos iniwan ako.
[ice cream] di man lang ako inentertain about sa gitara at tulungan sa sound na gusto ko. after i try yung guitar di ko nmn nafeel wala sa timpla eh alis nalang ako na pailing iling.
Pero sa Audiophile Alabang naman sunod kong pinuntahan pagkaraan ng ilang linggo, mabait naman yung mga tao, dami kinekwento about sa gitara na natipuhan ko, at nagbibigay pa suggestions. at dun ko nabili ang pinaka una kong electric guitar :-D
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i'm always frustrated everytime i go or pass perfect pitch. coz it's so expensive! hahahaha :lol: irie :mrgreen:
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Albert Montinola --- ex-FUSEBOXX, MAJESTY, JEROME ABALOS
Sya na!!!
PUGAY!!!
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expensive!
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Mahirap talaga ang ganyang business. Kaya na rin limited ang stocks/choices gawa ng mababa ang sales nila. A music store here won't be able to order for ex. just 10 units of a Gibson from their distributor. Meron pa silang sales quota na dapat maintain to retain their dealership status like minimum sales of a certain product is 10 units per week. Sa hirap ng buhay ng mga musician dito eh they'd be lucky enough to garner sales of 10 units per month. Mas malawak na product line mas lalong mahirapan umabot sa mga quota.
So kung meron man dito stores na medyo mataas ang price ng ibang produkto, siguro dahil narin yun sa mataas din ang kuha nila at cost and most probably kasi di nila makuha at a dealers price.
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Albert Montinola --- ex-FUSEBOXX, MAJESTY, JEROME ABALOS
sabi na nga ba...ambait kasi pagpasok palang at alam nyang guitarista ka mag stop sya ng tugtug at asikasuhin ka....one of my early pinoy guitar heroes
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mga sir, OT lang saglit, ano phone number ng Audiophile MOA? nabura kasi numbers sa SIM ko, kelangan ko ma-contact si sir marlon doon. thanks!
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mga sir, OT lang saglit, ano phone number ng Audiophile MOA? nabura kasi numbers sa SIM ko, kelangan ko ma-contact si sir marlon doon. thanks!
http://audiophile.ph/web/branches-audiophile.php
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Audiophile MOA... OK nga dun pati yung sales clerk nila magalang... bumili ako ng ibanez sa kanila last week kaya lang wala silang guitar pick (parang napaka-unusual---walang pick?), baka ngayon meron na.
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http://audiophile.ph/web/branches-audiophile.php
salamat sir :)
back to topic: laging nauubusan ng guitar catalogs :(
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Hi guys, I'm Rups from the Bass Place and naging curious lang ako sa Guitar Central and from this day, baka magpost na ko sa GC regularly as much as in BP.
Siguro ang frustrations ko would be the fact na may mga ibang staff sa mga music stores na hindi talaga marunong tumingin ng mga gamit. I'm not saying na marunong na marunong ako pero meron talaga eh. Minsan wala rin sa mga music stores ang mga gamit na kailangan mo. Some items are also overpriced to the point na ang layo na ng presyo niya sa tamang presyo. I've also encountered staff from music stores who are posers (seriously, meron talaga).
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sana parang Sweelee sa Singapore...naka sabit lang mga gitara sa wall...puede mo i-test anytime...wala pa masyado usisero pag nag test ka... tapos may special room sa mas mahal na gitara...parang trip to guitar museum na din.. peru for sale din mga yun... hindi pa suplado mga attendant... =)
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^^ Pag 1st World country na tayo, puwede na ang mga mala-Swee Lee na stores dito. :-P
My main frustration here is a lack of both spare parts for amps and guitars, and of general accountability as a whole. Malakas dito magbenta ng mga tube amps from brands like Fender, Marshall, Laney, Vox and the like. Pati na rin mga guitars na while not truly high-end are still decent. Pero pag nagtanong ka ng parts for these things, biglang wala. So pag nagloko or nasira, buwan ang hihintayin kasi special order yung mga piyesa. Minsan 12ax7 tubes na lang, wala pa. :roll:
Which brings me to my 2nd point. Pag nagkaproblema yung ginamit na binili mo sa tindahan, natural naman na dun mo dadalhin para ipagawa, diba? Pero may times na parang idi-discourage ka pa na ipagawa sa kanila. Ang daming sinasabi na "nako, matagal yan sir, walang piyesa, may tipus yung technician, blah blah blah." Pero kung magbenta ng gamit, ipapangako sa iyo ang buong mundo basta bilhin mo lang. Dapat kung may binebenta ang tindahan, kahit service needs handa silang i-fill ASAP, whether through trained techs, spare parts or whatever else may be needed. Para kang bumili ng kotse (and let's face it, some pieces of gear have prices high enough to buy a secondhand vehicle) pero yung manufacturer na binilhan mo wala naman palang service capabilities.
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ako ang problema ko lang talaga sa mga tindahan is yung salesperson nila, wala naman tayo magagawa if di nila kaya or di sila makapagangkat ng mga specific products... pero at least man lang yung pinaka madali ayusin which is yung attitude ng mga sales rep nila gawan nila ng paraan... bumili ako ng pick sa isang store sa megamol dumiretso ako sa may desk na may nakadisplay na ibat ibang picks di pa ako nag bibigay ng detail nag labas na sya ng isa sabay alis (girl sya nagiisang babae na masungit), since di yun ang hanap ko tinawag ko sya uli after ilang min, papunta sya sakin na medyo nakasimangot yung mukha parang badtrip naiistorbo ko sya, gusto ko sana tignan and i feel man lang yung mga picks nila, 2 palang naituturo ko parang pagod na pagod na sya buhatin sa labas ng display case hehehe... nakatingin sa cellphone the whole time pati pag kinakausap nya ako, medyo badtrip na rin ako kaya kinuha ko na lang yung isa umalis na ako sadya ko talaga eh yung amp nila nauna ko lang tinignan yung mga picks kasi may nakatayo pa mga customer sa harap ng amp pero nakakaburaot na bumili after nun.. samantalang last week lang bumili ako ng gitara todo asikaso proactive(proactive sila nung bibili na ako pero nung nagtatanong ako puro maiikli sagot sabay deadma) kaya ako bumalik para sa amp naman sana...
hint: uniform nila red... hehehe...
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ako ang problema ko lang talaga sa mga tindahan is yung salesperson nila, wala naman tayo magagawa if di nila kaya or di sila makapagangkat ng mga specific products... pero at least man lang yung pinaka madali ayusin which is yung attitude ng mga sales rep nila gawan nila ng paraan... bumili ako ng pick sa isang store sa megamol dumiretso ako sa may desk na may nakadisplay na ibat ibang picks di pa ako nag bibigay ng detail nag labas na sya ng isa sabay alis (girl sya nagiisang babae na masungit), since di yun ang hanap ko tinawag ko sya uli after ilang min, papunta sya sakin na medyo nakasimangot yung mukha parang badtrip naiistorbo ko sya, gusto ko sana tignan and i feel man lang yung mga picks nila, 2 palang naituturo ko parang pagod na pagod na sya buhatin sa labas ng display case hehehe... nakatingin sa cellphone the whole time pati pag kinakausap nya ako, medyo badtrip na rin ako kaya kinuha ko na lang yung isa umalis na ako sadya ko talaga eh yung amp nila nauna ko lang tinignan yung mga picks kasi may nakatayo pa mga customer sa harap ng amp pero nakakaburaot na bumili after nun.. samantalang last week lang bumili ako ng gitara todo asikaso proactive(proactive sila nung bibili na ako pero nung nagtatanong ako puro maiikli sagot sabay deadma) kaya ako bumalik para sa amp naman sana...
hint: uniform nila red... hehehe...
J ba umpisa nung store and B ung end?... :-D
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di siya tulad dito sa u.s., pwede mo testing lahat ng gusto mo, lahat pa ng staff friendly, they will help you IF you need help. just ask! :-D
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1) over-priced gears on some shops.
can't help but compare online shop prices from our local music shop prices.
very big differences.
2) unfriendly sales guy.
you can tell if they're just trying to be polite & have difficulty showing their sincerity toward the possible client.
they have their reasons for being that way..but, they should not let it out on the other customers.
sometimes i scout for a gear on shops, & mostly the best sales person i've met was that guy in AP-pioneer before. for got his name, but he knows fairly enough on what i've inquired...
the rest from the same or other shops elsewhere are orocans.
just my opinion
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1) over-priced gears on some shops.
can't help but compare online shop prices from our local music shop prices.
very big differences.
2) unfriendly sales guy.
you can tell if they're just trying to be polite & have difficulty showing their sincerity toward the possible client.
they have their reasons for being that way..but, they should not let it out on the other customers.
sometimes i scout for a gear on shops, & mostly the best sales person i've met was that guy in AP-pioneer before. for got his name, but he's knows fairly enough on what i've inquired...
the rest from the same or other shops elsewhere are orocans.
just my opinion
on your first point, minsan hindi mo din masisi bakit ganun ang price, madami kase factors na nagde determine ng retail price ng isang product and sadly dito sa atin, napakalaki ng customs duties at iba iba pang mga taxes, kaya tumataas ng tumataas yung presyo. and ang online shop, madaming natitipid like konting manpower, warehouse lang ang rerentahan kaya mas mababa ang cost of operation, downside is bibilhin mo yung item, without being able to physically test it.
sa second point naman, yan, di dapat iniintindi yan, sobrang nakakabadtrip yang mga ganyan.
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Lazer Music sa Festival Mall.
masungit yung sales lady. tapos yung mga guys naman dun parang istorbo ang customer kapag nagtatanong. mawawala interes mo sa pagbili. walang sense of customer service.
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maha masyado dito samin..kainis..tsaka walang spares..spring lang na para sa bridge wala pa..sa isang music store dito samen..guess what?
wala silang ibang brand ng ibanez kundi gio!ang malupit pa wala man lang silang maayos na pag asikaso sa mga kustumer nila..kahit yung tipong bibila ka talaga no pansin porke nakatsinelas ka lang..ask mo lang ang price wait ka pa 10mins. bago mo malaman..tsk!
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1) over-priced gears on some shops.
can't help but compare online shop prices from our local music shop prices.
very big differences.
i agree with jefisipbata. we can't always compare to the internet price because of overhead the stores here have. there are internet stores that ship to the Philippines but the shipping would cost so much, it's like buying in a music store. not to mention insurance and maybe customs/taxes. that is without testing the item.
or you go to a store like Guitar Center or Swee Lee whose prices are closer to the internet, but you have to pay for airfare/lodging. the stores like yupanco and JB sell gear by their MSRP, which is suggested by the manufacturer, not the internet price.
good thing there are people here who import guitars
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nakakainis ang kahit anong tindahan na walang price tag... mapa-music store o kung ano pa yan. wala na ngang price tag, inhospitable pa na staff... sana malugi na kayo.
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totoo yan! :-D walang price mga items.. kung tatanungin mo naman ung staff bago ka sagutin para bang gusto ka nila munang tanungin bibili ka ba? aangas ng mga staff ng mga store.. para bang minamaliit ka, "di naman yan bibili"
P*~!! binabayaran ka ng store mo para mag-assist ng customer, hindi para tumunganga lang, kahit na nagtatanong lang ung tao dapat i-assist mo parin.. tsk.. tsk..
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nagka-issue na nga dati mga restaurant na hindi sinasama ang VAT sa mga menu nila eh. sana maging issue din ito sa DTI.
pag walang price tag... parang tuloy lokohan ang presyo... kase parang hindi official price ang isasagot nila. mga civil engineer ba nagpapatakbo nito? panay jack-up, para-kay-eddie special higher price (eddie saken).
no offense sa mga inhinyero ha... pero ganyan naman talaga patakaran sa mga construction/purchasing eh. dami lang akong engineer friends na maloko. hehehe.
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spare parts at kung meron man limited stocks
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may mga sales people sila na di ganun ka familiar sa gear.
isang beses nasa JB ako, may mag tatay na pumasok, bibili ng gitara para sa anak nya. tinuro nila yung mga dean evo at fernando LP at sinabi na gamit ng kamikazee, bamboo etc. :-( one time naman, nagtanong isang ka officemate ko kasi gusto nya mag try ng fernando LP, tinanong ba naman kung bibilin ba nya? ayun, umakyat kami sa Audio Studio at bumili nalang sya nung ibanez na art, tapos balik sa baba para bili picks sa nag sabi sa kanya habang karga yung gitara..
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may mga sales people sila na di ganun ka familiar sa gear.
isang beses nasa JB ako, may mag tatay na pumasok, bibili ng gitara para sa anak nya. tinuro nila yung mga dean evo at fernando LP at sinabi na gamit ng kamikazee, bamboo etc. :-( one time naman, nagtanong isang ka officemate ko kasi gusto nya mag try ng fernando LP, tinanong ba naman kung bibilin ba nya? ayun, umakyat kami sa Audio Studio at bumili nalang sya nung ibanez na art, tapos balik sa baba para bili picks sa nag sabi sa kanya habang karga yung gitara..
nice move and good decision on the ibanez, fernando= kasing low quality ng ugali ng mga staff dun.
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on your first point, minsan hindi mo din masisi bakit ganun ang price, madami kase factors na nagde determine ng retail price ng isang product and sadly dito sa atin, napakalaki ng customs duties at iba iba pang mga taxes, kaya tumataas ng tumataas yung presyo. and ang online shop, madaming natitipid like konting manpower, warehouse lang ang rerentahan kaya mas mababa ang cost of operation, downside is bibilhin mo yung item, without being able to physically test it.
sa second point naman, yan, di dapat iniintindi yan, sobrang nakakabadtrip yang mga ganyan.
mismo.
minsan mas maganda pa yun quality ng items pag online kasi stock, hindi pa laspag unlike sa stores di mo alam kung sino sino gumahasa dyan lol, yun guitars kahit puro kalawang na yun strings, may mga dings, loose parts, pupunasan lang benta pa rin. pinoy customs/duties is making good stuffs unreachable :-(
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audiophile pangit dapat alam ng manager d maganda mag deal mga saleman nila pangit...sobra
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better customer care, antataray ng mga sales clerk well not all naman pero most!
pumunta ako audiophile moa dati, tanong ako kung magkano yung black ibanez yung rgt6fx ata basta black ibanez with emg and fixed bridge. Naka display sa harap yun kasama ang mga prestige.
ako : "magkano po yang black na gitara?"
matandang tatang: "mahal yan"
ako: "so magkano nga?"
matandang kupal: "made in japan mga yan, mahal yan"
ako: "so magkano NGA?"
*naiirita na pumunta sa sales desk tapos kinuha ang price list."
34,000 yang black sabi niya, then mabilis na tumalikod
naisip ko sa 34k dapat prestige nalang kukunin ko so tinanong ko kung magkano yung mga prestige.
galit at mabilis niyang sinabi yung mga presyo, di ko nga matandaan kung magkano eh. kupal talaga yung tatang na yun.
*bonus info: May dala na akong pera para pambili ng prestige at that time pero dahil hindi ako nirespeto as a customer eh hindi ko na itinuloy at bumili nalang ako ng gitara from Rmansh (epi LP standar plus top)
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kung meron d2 manager ng audiophile hoy gising kau..walang silbi store nyo pangit sobra.... :x
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kung meron d2 manager ng audiophile hoy gising kau..walang silbi store nyo pangit sobra.... :x
Masyado ka ata galit sa audiophile
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nice move and good decision on the ibanez, fernando= kasing low quality ng ugali ng mga staff dun.
yup. but time to time rin. pag pumasok ako na naka business attire ako, todo asikaso ako. nun ko lang narinig sa kanila yung "gusto nyo test, sir?" :lol:
ako : "magkano po yang black na gitara?"
matandang tatang: "mahal yan"
ako: "so magkano nga?"
matandang kupal: "made in japan mga yan, mahal yan"
ako: "so magkano NGA?"
kaya nakaka walang gana bumili sa mga stores dito.
mahirap naman talaga ma please lahat, lahat gusto mag test, but di naman bibili. syempre, puro gasgas and fret wear na yung gitara, pag may seryosong bibili na, baka ayaw na dahil laspag laspag. yun lang hirap rin kasi konti konti lang mag order mga stores dito, walang demo unit. and kailangan pa nila quota sa benta. in a way, naiintindihan ko sila, but minsan kasi sobrang rude nila sa mga customers.
kudos though to Audio Studio in Megamall. nung bumili friend ko ng rg dati dun, kumuha pa sila ng same models from AP cubao and Pioneer para ma test kung ano gusto.
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they put a time limit to try out a guitar! sa rj moa i tried a taylor acoustic after, more or less, 5 minutes, sir, may time limit po pag try ng gitara. hahaha!!! only in our country.. tsk tsk
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^^ Too bad, if they only knew you'll get it right there and then :-D
Best,
NINJeremy
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hahaha! thanks man.. :-) best for me are the audiophile moa peeps.. :D
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better customer care, antataray ng mga sales clerk well not all naman pero most!
pumunta ako audiophile moa dati, tanong ako kung magkano yung black ibanez yung rgt6fx ata basta black ibanez with emg and fixed bridge. Naka display sa harap yun kasama ang mga prestige.
ako : "magkano po yang black na gitara?"
matandang tatang: "mahal yan"
ako: "so magkano nga?"
matandang kupal: "made in japan mga yan, mahal yan"
ako: "so magkano NGA?"
*naiirita na pumunta sa sales desk tapos kinuha ang price list."
34,000 yang black sabi niya, then mabilis na tumalikod
naisip ko sa 34k dapat prestige nalang kukunin ko so tinanong ko kung magkano yung mga prestige.
galit at mabilis niyang sinabi yung mga presyo, di ko nga matandaan kung magkano eh. kupal talaga yung tatang na yun.
*bonus info: May dala na akong pera para pambili ng prestige at that time pero dahil hindi ako nirespeto as a customer eh hindi ko na itinuloy at bumili nalang ako ng gitara from Rmansh (epi LP standar plus top)
with a customer service attitude like that i wouldn't be surprised if the next question you asked would be responded with to fu.ck you sideways..
is that the owner of the store? i bet his making more sales in guitar picks and strings..than guitars..
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better customer care, antataray ng mga sales clerk well not all naman pero most!
pumunta ako audiophile moa dati, tanong ako kung magkano yung black ibanez yung rgt6fx ata basta black ibanez with emg and fixed bridge. Naka display sa harap yun kasama ang mga prestige.
ako : "magkano po yang black na gitara?"
matandang tatang: "mahal yan"
ako: "so magkano nga?"
matandang kupal: "made in japan mga yan, mahal yan"
ako: "so magkano NGA?"
*naiirita na pumunta sa sales desk tapos kinuha ang price list."
34,000 yang black sabi niya, then mabilis na tumalikod
naisip ko sa 34k dapat prestige nalang kukunin ko so tinanong ko kung magkano yung mga prestige.
galit at mabilis niyang sinabi yung mga presyo, di ko nga matandaan kung magkano eh. kupal talaga yung tatang na yun.
*bonus info: May dala na akong pera para pambili ng prestige at that time pero dahil hindi ako nirespeto as a customer eh hindi ko na itinuloy at bumili nalang ako ng gitara from Rmansh (epi LP standar plus top)
nyahahaha i posted the best for are moa peeps before reading this.. sino dun? those are good people, never had a problem with them.. and never nag sungit kahit wala akong binibili hahahah i even go there to make tambay pag napapagod ako mag ikot with the mum hahah :-D
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@pualux
kaya pala lolz :lol: :evil:
@boosted
lol. kailangan ko pala mag aral ng speed licks para sulit ang 5 mins hehe
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@boosted
lol. kailangan ko pala mag aral ng speed licks para sulit ang 5 mins hehe
hahaha! :-D
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1. parts
2. parts
3. parts
pahirapan pa makahanap dito sa pinas, not all stores may available even generic brands.
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hahaha! thanks man.. :-) best for me are the audiophile moa peeps.. :D
Yeah i agree with you there Chris, i even leave my shopping bags there and pick it up before going home. Parang bag deposit sa department store. People there are great.
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most of the salesman get easily frustrated when you ask continuous questions about a certain product. that won't help you to convince yourself to buy that product. i leads to just going out of the store instead.
there is this time of the month that they don't have stocks! its frustrating because you've planned to buy a product for a very long time, then when the time comes they don't have a stock. wait again. :|
God Bless! thank you! :mrgreen:
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never had that kind of experience in AP moa. mabait naman ung mga tao dun nung mga punta ko lately.
share ko lang, kaka galing ko lang sa Perfect Pitch Megamall branch. Isa sa frustrations ko tong shop na to simula't sapul, every time na pumupunta ako dun before parang walang mga gana makipag usap mga tao dun. Kanina dahil sa tubeamp gas ko, kahit hesitant ako , dumaan ako to inquire, and to my surprise nagiba na sila, sobrang asikaso ako. naglabas pa ng amp from the stockroom kahit na sinabi ko na wag na. They even ask me to test the amp, and you can see their enthusiasm. This is the first time that I felt like being treated as a customer in that store. Sana laging ganon.
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kaya nakaka walang gana bumili sa mga stores dito.
mahirap naman talaga ma please lahat, lahat gusto mag test, but di naman bibili. syempre, puro gasgas and fret wear na yung gitara, pag may seryosong bibili na, baka ayaw na dahil laspag laspag. yun lang hirap rin kasi konti konti lang mag order mga stores dito, walang demo unit. and kailangan pa nila quota sa benta. in a way, naiintindihan ko sila, but minsan kasi sobrang rude nila sa mga customers.
yeah, I understand na they are just taking good care of the guitars they're selling pero dapat may compromise din sila, how do they expect to sell something kung di pwede itest ang gitara? lol
they put a time limit to try out a guitar! sa rj moa i tried a taylor acoustic after, more or less, 5 minutes, sir, may time limit po pag try ng gitara. hahaha!!! only in our country.. tsk tsk
yep, nakakainis, ewan ko ba kung ba't nagsusurvive yung mga businesses dito. It's like my dad always says, "nagiinvest ang mga negosyante sa top of the line machinery, best delivery trucks and high end warehouses pero tipid naman sa man power, they are forgetting na yung mga tao mo ang nakikipagusap sa customers hindi yung highend gadgets mo." --makes you realize na kaya pala di umaasenso pilipinas.
hahaha! thanks man.. :-) best for me are the audiophile moa peeps.. :D
I must agree, siguro isolated case lang yun, kasi yung kuya dun na parang guard and yung isa na medyo bigboned, mabait naman, yung tatang lang talga yung masungit, I thinik he's already in his forties.
with a customer service attitude like that i wouldn't be surprised if the next question you asked would be responded with to fu.ck you sideways..
is that the owner of the store? i bet his making more sales in guitar picks and strings..than guitars..
Kaya di na ako nagtanong pa, kahit di ko nakuha yung prices, lumabas nalang ako, why deal with people like him? Pero babalik parin ako dun sa AP MOA KUNG wala si tatang hehe, mabait yung staff dun, si tatang lang talaga panira.
I don't know kung owner siya basta he's in his forties na ata, a very grumpy old man.
nyahahaha i posted the best for are moa peeps before reading this.. sino dun? those are good people, never had a problem with them.. and never nag sungit kahit wala akong binibili hahahah i even go there to make tambay pag napapagod ako mag ikot with the mum hahah :-D
Yeah actually mabait sila lahat, except yung tatang na grumpy. Once ko lang siya na meet, and ever since then di na ako pumapasok sa AP MOA in fear na baka andun naman siya pero lately pumapasok na ako, I've overcome my fear hahaha and well di ko narin nakikita si tatang so HOORAAH!
@pualux
kaya pala lolz :lol: :evil:
@boosted
lol. kailangan ko pala mag aral ng speed licks para sulit ang 5 mins hehe
hehe, well ok nga eh, haha, if that didn't happen then di ko sana mamemeet yung LP ko ngayon! muhahahaha
never had that kind of experience in AP moa. mabait naman ung mga tao dun nung mga punta ko lately.
share ko lang, kaka galing ko lang sa Perfect Pitch Megamall branch. Isa sa frustrations ko tong shop na to simula't sapul, every time na pumupunta ako dun before parang walang mga gana makipag usap mga tao dun. Kanina dahil sa tubeamp gas ko, kahit hesitant ako , dumaan ako to inquire, and to my surprise nagiba na sila, sobrang asikaso ako. naglabas pa ng amp from the stockroom kahit na sinabi ko na wag na. They even ask me to test the amp, and you can see their enthusiasm. This is the first time that I felt like being treated as a customer in that store. Sana laging ganon.
Yeah bro mabait sila dun, si old grumpy guy lang ang panira, other than him everyone's kind.
about the perfect pitch thing, siguro nabasa nila yung thread na'to kaya naging mabait sila, I was even surprised nung pumunta ako sa jb moa na sobrang asikaso na sila, maka binabasa nga nila yung thread na'to hehe so in our case, nakatulong din talaga yung thread na'to
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No epiphones. :cry:
prices are too high for some guitars :x not much to choose from
went to RJ asking for a toggle switch cap. they gave me one and they went on about it being authentic just because the package had the Gibson logo on it. when I opened it up it was a frickin toggle switch cap alright, but for a 5-way blade type switch. so frustrating :x
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not all stores would set up the guitar the way you want it before you leave the store.
Share ko lang experience ko... I bought a guitar in Japan, they made sure that the intonation right and that the action on the guitar was to my satisfaction. they even replaced the strings with a new set. after setting up the guitar for me, chaka lang ako nagbayad.
I guess it just show how more service oriented they are in Japan. But still, would be nice to have that kind of service here.
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never had that kind of experience in AP moa. mabait naman ung mga tao dun nung mga punta ko lately.
share ko lang, kaka galing ko lang sa Perfect Pitch Megamall branch. Isa sa frustrations ko tong shop na to simula't sapul, every time na pumupunta ako dun before parang walang mga gana makipag usap mga tao dun. Kanina dahil sa tubeamp gas ko, kahit hesitant ako , dumaan ako to inquire, and to my surprise nagiba na sila, sobrang asikaso ako. naglabas pa ng amp from the stockroom kahit na sinabi ko na wag na. They even ask me to test the amp, and you can see their enthusiasm. This is the first time that I felt like being treated as a customer in that store. Sana laging ganon.
this is true. tuesday last week nag tanong ako about line6 fbv though hindi ako bibili sinabi ko lang na i just want to check it out nag labas sila talaga ng FBV at POD X3 at pinpili ako ng guitar just to test the FBV board. by Saturday i have a deal with the main office pero yung transaction will be made with megamall branch. very accommodating sa tuwa ko sa service nila binilhan ko sila ng croissant ng dunkindonuts for their miryenda. good service..
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Walang Jackson guitars!
grrrrrrrr!
right2. the guitar you are looking wala pa.
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they price stuff quite beyond the reach of JDC. the upside in buying from the local music stores? they provide some guarantee on the items :roll:
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na frustrate ako doon sa salesman sa JB, tinatanong ko ung specs ng gitara tapos sasabihin sakin "humbucker yan sir" tapos tinuturo ung floyd rose T_T... sana naman pati ung mga salesman may knowledge kahit kaunti sa mga binebenta nila :|
meron pa, pumunta ako sa V.Mapa para maghanap ng pups ng electric guitar na matino. Napunta ako doon sa isang store at nagtanong ako kung meron sagot sa akin "Meron 300, gusto mo ung may equalizer pa"
na frustrate lang ako kasi mismong binebenta nila hindi nila alam :-(
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AP Paco:
Okay naman mga tao dun. specially raymond/sol and the old guy. except for the 1 na kups talaga. you know who that kups is.
AP Megamall:
Okay din mga tao jan. yun nga lang pag medyo madami tao, di ka nila basta basta papansinin lalo na at medyo di gaano ok japorms mo.
JB MOA:
Medyo accommodating na rin pero most people there doesnt know their products well.
Yupangco MOA:
Before snobbish talaga mga tao jan. pero lately very accommodating na sila. Specially si Mike. Okay and mabait mag assist. Yung isang long hair, medyo shy type. That long hair guy also doesnt know much their products well.
JB Harison Plaza:
Accommodating mga tao jan. Medyo alam na rin nila ang products na binebenta nila as compared to other stores. Great customer service.
SPL Raon:
Bait mga tao. Test every item that you want kahit pa sabihin mo na di ka naman talaga bibili. syempre the best si Pappy Dax though not all the time nandun sya.
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lazer starmall las pinas,
boblaks mga crew dun.
linggo linggo nag iiba.
nung opening lang nila ako natuwa dun, nung andun pa si rommel vasquez ng sin.
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here's a little story from baguio city music store:
ako:bossing magkano artec dual rails pick up nyo..?
sales rep: ah ito ba sir?1,350 pesos per piece sir.!
ako:sigurado ka bossing?
sales rep:oo sir 1,350 nga.
ako:ah ok..kala ko kasi 550 pesos lang..napasyal kasi ako sa ali mall kuya 550 pesos lang to.
sales rep:namutla!sabay ngiti.!wapak!parang sinampal sa mukha!hiyang hiya sya..
eto isa pa:
ako:sir pwede ko ba matry yung gitarang to..?
sales rep:bawal itry sir kung di nyo kukunin..!
WTF?panu ka magiging sure sa bibilhin mo kung di mo man lang masubukan kung gusto mo o swak sayo..Di ka pa papansinin kung nakatsinelas ka lang sabay shorts and t-shirt.. :|
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here's a little story from baguio city music store:
ako:bossing magkano artec dual rails pick up nyo..?
sales rep: ah ito ba sir?1,350 pesos per piece sir.!
ako:sigurado ka bossing?
sales rep:oo sir 1,350 nga.
ako:ah ok..kala ko kasi 550 pesos lang..napasyal kasi ako sa ali mall kuya 550 pesos lang to.
sales rep:namutla!sabay ngiti.!wapak!parang sinampal sa mukha!hiyang hiya sya..
eto isa pa:
ako:sir pwede ko ba matry yung gitarang to..?
sales rep:bawal itry sir kung di nyo kukunin..!
WTF?panu ka magiging sure sa bibilhin mo kung di mo man lang masubukan kung gusto mo o swak sayo..Di ka pa papansinin kung nakatsinelas ka lang sabay shorts and t-shirt.. :|
kailangan naka tuxedo or barong para magtest ng gitara sa music stores dito pre hahahahahaha
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kailangan naka tuxedo or barong para magtest ng gitara sa music stores dito pre hahahahahaha
mas maasikaso kung bata na may kasamang parents.
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kailangan naka tuxedo or barong para magtest ng gitara sa music stores dito pre hahahahahaha
oo nga eh badtrip..kinabukasan bumalik ako nun..gio lang naman kasi yung bibilhin ko nun pang praktice guitar lang..nagbihis ako ala fashion show ng mga gwapings..haha sinabihan ko yung sales rep. pag ba bibili ako pwede ko lahat itest guitar nyo?sabi kong ganyan,hindi makasagot.. :lol: yun binili ko din yung gitara at some new pedals at cord..sabay alis..tas huling tingin sa sales rep na yun..haha nice exit..! 8-)
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Some key brands are not available, like Epiphones, or Warwicks. For some reason, they don't stock up on some pedals and accessories that musicians are always looking for- JB has EH and MXR but no Grails, no Carbon Copy's or Micro Choruses/Flangers. No Keyser capos, no Axe Wax, very few options in string brands and gauges. If you're a bassist or acoustic guitarist, there are even fewer products available for you- no DIs, preamps, no Tusq, no Hipshot, no Badass. And they can almost always never tread the fine line between being overly attentive and following you around all the time and totally neglecting you.
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ako marami akng frustrations. unang una,dito sa amin sa cagayan de oro wala masyadong music stores. ang matinong store dito ay ung JVS lng at perfect pitch and marami naman silang kulang. hindi cla bumebenta ng pick ups,EMG lng binebenta nla walang seymour duncan,dimarzio,entwistle,etc. maliit lng ung stock nilang guitar mostly ibanez gios lng walang RG,SA,SZ,prestige,etc. lahat GRG at GRX lng. wala din sila masyadong pedals. kaya musicians like me ay nahihirapan bumili ng parts and gear kasi lagi nalang wala eh. most of my friends pumupunta nalang sa manila or other places just to buy parts and gear kasi wala dito eh kainis.
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Pag ung mga magagandang gears, guitars, accessories, bags, signature models, etc. its either walang stock or sobrang mahal ung patong sa price. kaya bihira lang ang may branded gears dito. customer service eh poor din
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@pualux
kaya pala lolz :lol: :evil:
@boosted
lol. kailangan ko pala mag aral ng speed licks para sulit ang 5 mins hehe
hahahaha speed licks mag ttest ka lang ng guitar.... your timer starts the moment na the tip of your finger touches the guitar.. dapat ala michael angelo batio ka nyan.... :-o
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eto sobrang nakaka inis..
Audiophile ortigas (thru phone)
me: may stock po ba kayo ng tl2?.. hardwire tl2 po
him: ano po?
me: HARDWIRE TEE ELL TOOOO Metal distortion po
him: ah teka lang ho sir..
after a few minutes...
him: meron sir nag iisa nalang ho.
me: kukunin ko na pupunta na ako jan ngayon mismo.
him: o cge ho sir antayin ko kayo.
pag dating ko kinuha nya kagad yung item tapos na se set-up na sya for sound test, tapos napansin ko iba yung kulay ng pedal.
me: kuya, tl2 ba yan?
him: oo(habang nag aayos ng cables)
me: bat iba kulay?
him: ay hindi ba eto un?...
me: :?
him ay CM2 tube overdrive pala
me: ha? [nag titimpi, nawala ang excitement, nasayang oras, nasayang bayad sa taxi]
him: hindi yata tayo nag ka intindihan...
me: :-( :? :| :x
galing pa naman ako ng north fairview nun, bayad ko sa taxi 260. hindi man lang sya humingi ng dispensa zzzz
men malapit lang ako jan.. pag inquire talagang ganyan mga salesmen/women jan...
minsan nakaka intimidate, parang ginto ung mga items nila... nakakatakot hawakan baka bayaran mo agad..... :-(
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experience ko sa Music Source sa Alimall Cubao.
Me: (seeing the Ernie Ball super slinky)- brad, may regular Slinky ba kayo nyan?
Staff: Sir, mahal po yan. Kung gusto nyo etong brand na ito mas mura, blah, blah, blah.
Me: brad, kung may Ernie Ball Regular Slinky. Kung wala D'Addario na lang na .10 gauge.
Staff: (tanong sa katabi nyang staff) "meron ba tayong iba nito? [pointing at the pink ernie ball package, other staff shrugged her shoulder.] ay sir eto lang mga mura natin.
Me: So walang Ernie Ball D'Addario wala rin? bibilhin ko 2 pack.
Staff: Sir, by pack po binibili yan. Mahal po yan at hindi tinitingi. Kung gusto nyo tingin po kayo sa kabilang store [pointing to the direction of Audiophile].
sa tingin ko, wala talagang interes na bentahan ako ng lokong staff na yun e. naasar na lang ako at lumipat sa Lazer store. buti pa dun maasikaso yung staff kahit patanong-tanong lang ako. kahit paano pinapahawak sa aking yung gear.
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experience ko sa Music Source sa Alimall Cubao.
Me: (seeing the Ernie Ball super slinky)- brad, may regular Slinky ba kayo nyan?
Staff: Sir, mahal po yan. Kung gusto nyo etong brand na ito mas mura, blah, blah, blah.
Me: brad, kung may Ernie Ball Regular Slinky. Kung wala D'Addario na lang na .10 gauge.
Staff: (tanong sa katabi nyang staff) "meron ba tayong iba nito? [pointing at the pink ernie ball package, other staff shrugged her shoulder.] ay sir eto lang mga mura natin.
Me: So walang Ernie Ball D'Addario wala rin? bibilhin ko 2 pack.
Staff: Sir, by pack po binibili yan. Mahal po yan at hindi tinitingi. Kung gusto nyo tingin po kayo sa kabilang store [pointing to the direction of Audiophile].
sa tingin ko, wala talagang interes na bentahan ako ng lokong staff na yun e. naasar na lang ako at lumipat sa Lazer store. buti pa dun maasikaso yung staff kahit patanong-tanong lang ako. kahit paano pinapahawak sa aking yung gear.
hmmm....interesting...ano itsura nung staff na nakausap mo?
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AVAILABILITY OF PARTS and ACCESSORIES
EDIT just wanna share an experience...
I had a frustrating experience with one old lady in Lyric Cubao a couple of years ago. She seemed like a "higher ups" type staff at the
store..but I'm not sure. may asta kasi. I think she ain't there anymore though.
I was looking at this mint green vintage looking tape echo/delay pedal, i was really curious about it so I asked the lady if I can test it out.
She said something like "ay sir, matetest niyo lang po yan pag bibilhin niyo na. bibilhin niyo po ba?" with a very assertive tone.
Thinking to myself...
"Ok....so how am i supposed to decide if I'm gonna buy it or not if don't even know how it sounds or reacts to my playing?"
so I just dropped the topic..and left..
Bibili ka ba ng kotse na hindi mo pa natetest-drive? unless of course it's a toycar. lol
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hmmm....interesting...ano itsura nung staff na nakausap mo?
Di ko na nahitsurahan, sir. pero payat na lalake na maputi. impression ko eh ganun yata culture nila dun. parang pinapaalis ka sa store nila. one time kasi naghahanap ako ng washburn guitar sa kanila eh kung saan ako pinagtuturo.
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Di ko na nahitsurahan, sir. pero payat na lalake na maputi. impression ko eh ganun yata culture nila dun. parang pinapaalis ka sa store nila. one time kasi naghahanap ako ng washburn guitar sa kanila eh kung saan ako pinagtuturo.
They don't carry Washburn so natural lang siguro na ituro nila kung saan man mayroon nun. :-)
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They don't carry Washburn so natural lang siguro na ituro nila kung saan man mayroon nun. :-)
i dunno, i guess meron yata sila X-series back in 2009.
kahit nung tinatanong ko yung Artec peds nila dati eh parang wala silang interes na sabihin man lang kung okay ba sya or whatever. i was looking for cheaper pedals back then and one of the forumites here told me about Artec peds which incidentally meron sila. anyway, it's just a few experience when browsing through the music stores in cubao. Lazer music so far are accommodating. sa Audiophile, parang ayaw ka man lang kausapin. I was really interested in one of their ibanez RG's eh. anyway, i met a few people here who has their own "underground" guitar shops and sellers. pwede pa itest kahit gaano katagal. hooray for philmusic! :-)
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not enough pretty sales ladies. para at least pwedeng magpa-cute kasi di naman bibili hehehehe
seriuosly, its because of the reasons you all have stated that i don't bother going to music stores. even when i lived outside PI where the choices are mind boggling. kung sale lang ang brand ng strings ko then you'll find me walk in and walk out without looking around. too loud anyway. di naman ako bibili, so why torture myself coveting stuff i can't afford? besides i think i'm happy with my gear.
i suppose that until things turn around for the pinoy musician the best thing we could do is to quote teddy roosevelt (or i think it was him): "make the best of what you have wherever you are"
thats why i admire african musicians. unfortunately most of them are dirt poor but somehow manage to make great music with gear that would be regarded as junk to us. i look up to them whenever i feel crappy with my gear hehehe
but i do wish local stores here carry more music books and music sheets...
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Di ko na nahitsurahan, sir. pero payat na lalake na maputi. impression ko eh ganun yata culture nila dun. parang pinapaalis ka sa store nila. one time kasi naghahanap ako ng washburn guitar sa kanila eh kung saan ako pinagtuturo.
hmmmm......this is weird kasi hindi ganoon ang impression ko sa kanila eh...and wala sila ng lahat ng sinabi mong brands (ernie ball and/or washburn) AFAIK...kaya talaga "kung ano ano pinagtuturo nila" since they don't carry those brands...baka naman nagrerecommend lang ng alternative from how I'm interpreting what you're saying. not that I'm protecting or covering up for them. It's just that OPPOSITE ang experience ko with them. :wink:
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Had a friend who was trying to get a defective stomp and keyboard (Which he bought abroad a long time ago) fixed here.
That local store / customer service sold those exact models and they said it was a simple fix but they wouldn't do it because according to their policy they will only do it for products locally purchased.
:?... whuuuyyy? So how does one get stuff repaired? (Besides from exterior skilled people ala mahavishu and yahoo, what about those people who don't know this site / they exist?)
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Had a friend who was trying to get a defective stomp and keyboard (Which he bought abroad a long time ago) fixed here.
That local store / customer service sold those exact models and they said it was a simple fix but they wouldn't do it because according to their policy they will only do it for products locally purchased.
:?... whuuuyyy? So how does one get stuff repaired? (Besides from exterior skilled people ala mahavishu and yahoo, what about those people who don't know this site / they exist?)
this is pretty frustrating nga. Kahit sabihin mong you'll pay for the repair, parts, etc.
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nadagdagan na naman frustration ko. when you ask them if that certain product is authentic they say it is when it's a fake pala. i almost bought an epiphone les paul custom na fake and i thought it was the real thing.
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share ko lang experience ko sa Perfect Pitch sa Mega... nito lang November 13... Me kameet ako dun sa Mega na Forumite din kasi me Bibilhin akong item sa kanya... habang nag aantay ako at papunta palang naman yung ka meet ko pumasok muna ako sa Perfect Pitch...
Yung Staff na lalaki dun na poging mapute ok naman ang treatment binigyan ako ng upuan at Pinasaksak ako sa JC120 at tinest ko yung US strat... pagkatapus kong matest yung clean tone na walang chorus... try ko naman yung may chorus... medyo napa sarap na ako kasi ganda ng tunog eh pero di naman ako ganun katagal mga 3 minutes palang...
Aba nung tetest ko na yung chorus nung amp... Biglang lumapit yung Guard at sinabihan ako ng sir 5 minutes lang...
Reaction ko... HA?!@#@
ewan ko kung sinenyasan sya ng staff or ewan...
Grabe na talaga dito sa pilipinas...
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share ko lang experience ko sa Perfect Pitch sa Mega... nito lang November 13... Me kameet ako dun sa Mega na Forumite din kasi me Bibilhin akong item sa kanya... habang nag aantay ako at papunta palang naman yung ka meet ko pumasok muna ako sa Perfect Pitch...
Yung Staff na lalaki dun na poging mapute ok naman ang treatment binigyan ako ng upuan at Pinasaksak ako sa JC120 at tinest ko yung US strat... pagkatapus kong matest yung clean tone na walang chorus... try ko naman yung may chorus... medyo napa sarap na ako kasi ganda ng tunog eh pero di naman ako ganun katagal mga 3 minutes palang...
Aba nung tetest ko na yung chorus nung amp... Biglang lumapit yung Guard at sinabihan ako ng sir 5 minutes lang...
Reaction ko... HA?!@#@
ewan ko kung sinenyasan sya ng staff or ewan...
Grabe na talaga dito sa pilipinas...
hahay, kakalungkot dito sa atin...di tulad sa ibang bansa na you have the luxury of testing all the gears you want to test na walang limit sa oras... :-(
saka very accomodating mga staff nila don...like when im in germany...i tested an electric guitar there...medyo napasarap sa pagtest, yong staff nila tuwang tuwa...they will appreciate pa yong pagtest mo ng guitars nila... :-)
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share ko lang experience ko sa Perfect Pitch sa Mega... nito lang November 13... Me kameet ako dun sa Mega na Forumite din kasi me Bibilhin akong item sa kanya... habang nag aantay ako at papunta palang naman yung ka meet ko pumasok muna ako sa Perfect Pitch...
Yung Staff na lalaki dun na poging mapute ok naman ang treatment binigyan ako ng upuan at Pinasaksak ako sa JC120 at tinest ko yung US strat... pagkatapus kong matest yung clean tone na walang chorus... try ko naman yung may chorus... medyo napa sarap na ako kasi ganda ng tunog eh pero di naman ako ganun katagal mga 3 minutes palang...
Aba nung tetest ko na yung chorus nung amp... Biglang lumapit yung Guard at sinabihan ako ng sir 5 minutes lang...
Reaction ko... HA?!@#@
ewan ko kung sinenyasan sya ng staff or ewan...
Grabe na talaga dito sa pilipinas...
:-D ako naman sige lang lagi silip. kilala na ako sa mga music stores na "patingin tingin di naman makabile" hahaha! di ko na pinapansin kung anong reaksyon nila. sabay bibili lang ng pick. :-D minsan tanong kung may stock sila na ganito ganyan. kung out of stock pinapatingin ako sa price list nila na naka bookbind. sa audiophile pa yun sa festi. ambait ata sakin that time. :-D
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IMO limited ang choices sa atin, anghirap makakita ng mga items na otherwise available sa ibang bansa ex.pickups, tapos lagi na lang walang stock, hehehe
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That local store / customer service sold those exact models and they said it was a simple fix but they wouldn't do it because according to their policy they will only do it for products locally purchased.
i think this is designed to discourage purchases of items thru other means (i.e., foreign shippers, etc.). but they should accept repairs and just charge repair cost.
but i think bringing your stuff to the local electronics experts here will be better because most of the time they charge less.
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hahay, kakalungkot dito sa atin...di tulad sa ibang bansa na you have the luxury of testing all the gears you want to test na walang limit sa oras... :-(
saka very accomodating mga staff nila don...like when im in germany...i tested an electric guitar there...medyo napasarap sa pagtest, yong staff nila tuwang tuwa...they will appreciate pa yong pagtest mo ng guitars nila... :-)
it's because we can only afford to purchase a small number of "luxury" items including those that are for display. this makes the cost of wear and tear so high if you let these "luxury" items be tested without being purchased. unlike in the other countries, they can afford to have their high-end gear tested because they have plenty in their storeroom.
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share ko lang experience ko sa Perfect Pitch sa Mega... nito lang November 13... Me kameet ako dun sa Mega na Forumite din kasi me Bibilhin akong item sa kanya... habang nag aantay ako at papunta palang naman yung ka meet ko pumasok muna ako sa Perfect Pitch...
Yung Staff na lalaki dun na poging mapute ok naman ang treatment binigyan ako ng upuan at Pinasaksak ako sa JC120 at tinest ko yung US strat... pagkatapus kong matest yung clean tone na walang chorus... try ko naman yung may chorus... medyo napa sarap na ako kasi ganda ng tunog eh pero di naman ako ganun katagal mga 3 minutes palang...
Aba nung tetest ko na yung chorus nung amp... Biglang lumapit yung Guard at sinabihan ako ng sir 5 minutes lang...
Reaction ko... HA?!@#@
ewan ko kung sinenyasan sya ng staff or ewan...
Grabe na talaga dito sa pilipinas...
Kailangan ata shredder pag nag ttest... ung tipong MAB pag hawak ng gitara... panu kung di ka naman ganun?? haaayyy :cry:
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i think this is designed to discourage purchases of items thru other means (i.e., foreign shippers, etc.). but they should accept repairs and just charge repair cost.
but i think bringing your stuff to the local electronics experts here will be better because most of the time they charge less.
+1
Siguro din ay recorded through serial numbers ang bawat item na binebenta ng store. So pag pinagawa mo dun sa store yung item na hindi mo binili sa kanila, although dala nila yung brand, and something wrong happens na hindi sinasadya, sila ang malalagot. Baka hindi nila mailakad sa company kasi hindi naman sa kanila galing yung item.
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ako naman last week dapat bibili ako ng cables sa perfect pitch.
siguro mga 5 mins na akong nakatayp dun sa may cables section
ung dude na supposedly magaassist nakikipag usap lang sa cellphone
nakatingin na nga ako sakanya..wala parin
tapos ung lady sa counter nakatingin lang sakin walang nagaassist >_<
i stormed out of there and decided to save up for lava cables nalang
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ako naman last week dapat bibili ako ng cables sa perfect pitch.
siguro mga 5 mins na akong nakatayp dun sa may cables section
ung dude na supposedly magaassist nakikipag usap lang sa cellphone
nakatingin na nga ako sakanya..wala parin
tapos ung lady sa counter nakatingin lang sakin walang nagaassist >_<
now this IS frustrating.
i stormed out of there and decided to save up for lava cables nalang
someone will be very happy. :lol:
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IMO limited ang choices sa atin, anghirap makakita ng mga items na otherwise available sa ibang bansa ex.pickups, tapos lagi na lang walang stock, hehehe
repeat posting? :lol:
IMO limited ang choices sa atin, anghirap makakita ng mga items na otherwise available sa ibang bansa ex.pickups, tapos lagi na lang walang stock, hehehe
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repeat posting? :lol:
Hehe nagloloko net ko kanina bro. Iniwan kong nakabukas kala ko di nagsend. 2nd post deleted
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hihingin number mo for update kung in-stock na yung item, tapos hindi ka naman iuupdate kahit meron na yung item dun sa branch... at parang hindi pa trained yung staff or kabisado yung items na meron sila, buong araw naman sila nakatambay sa store. plus, yung iba hindi ka ieentertain kung yung ichura mo mukhang walang pera.. tsk tsk..
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what's really frustrating is....
ang mamahal ng mga gears, it increases your GAS attack, drool attack na rin and i there is always one store that exclusively distribute this and that brand of gears.
hindi ba pwede na bawat music store eh magcarry ng same brands para naman may totoong competition when it comes to pricing? parang SM vs Robinsons lang hehehe :-)
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ako naman last week dapat bibili ako ng cables sa perfect pitch.
siguro mga 5 mins na akong nakatayp dun sa may cables section
ung dude na supposedly magaassist nakikipag usap lang sa cellphone
nakatingin na nga ako sakanya..wala parin
tapos ung lady sa counter nakatingin lang sakin walang nagaassist >_<
i stormed out of there and decided to save up for lava cables nalang
Personally, mas prefer ko yung hindi ako pinapansin ng mga staff kapag tumitingin tingin lang ng items.
But if i've asked for assistance pero di ka pa rin ako pinansin, ibang usapan na yun.
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kadalasan out of stock yung hinahanap ko, lolz.
weird experience kahapon: went to a music store and asked politely to test a certain pedal, tapos pinipilit akong bilhin yung pedal ora mismo. wtf.
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High prices limited choices :-D
the law of supply and demand at work,
pero we must consider that these companies are paying for duties and customs, lagays, palakads and all that (may cost lahat yun) just to get em stuff in here thats why minsan umaabot ng 84% ang mark up especially in these trying times
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Daming zombie threads ah. Anyway, here's something I personally experienced from one of the attendants of a certain music store.
I was checking out a couple of amps and the attendant walks up to me with a trolling look on his face, "Opo, sir?" he asked, as if he wanted me out if I wasn't buying anything since I was in shorts and a really worn shirt. Mukha akong tambay basically. Since I was asking for prices anyway, "Boss, pwede ba patingin ng mga 2x12 ninyo?" "Wala po kami niyan sir." "Eh mga 1x12 tube amps ninyo?" "Wala kami niyan." *I point at the 1x12 tube amp in front of me*
:facepalm:
On a lighter note, there's this one Audiophile store that was really attentive. It was at one of those Robinson's shopping centers pero hindi full mall. Forgot where exactly (just moved here) and ayun. I was price checking the AC-30s and the guy there (middle-aged guy, might be manager or something) was asking me what kind of AC-30 I NEEDED. Okay, that's a first. He then went on to show me different AC-30 stocks they had (the ones with different color panels on the top) saying "Okay, this has a different speaker set and if you notice the blah blah blah, it's lightyears ahead of the stock AC-30s we have here. Lightyears, pare. If you could go the extra mile, I highly suggest this. Baka gusto mo muna subukan?"
I would've pero I had to leave right away for a family thing. Haven't had precise service like that tho. I like that. I wish I'd see more of that in stores.
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Nag Chri-Christmas sale or whatever sale, sasabihin 70 percent off or 50 percent pero yung price na yun, mas mataas pa din sa online price. For example: Online price is 5000 and pag dating dito 11000 na, tapos pag nag sale magiging 9000 na lang or 8K. IDK if it's just me or napapansin niyo din yun. hehe That's why I prefer buying online na lang.
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OO tama ka ganyan nga sila. sale sasabihin pero actually hindi. may mark-up parin sila na mataas kaya ganun
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mahal bumili ng brandnew sa stores, hehe.. i saw the jbmusic ad, a nova delay for 25k.. 20k naka sale, hahaha,
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about 3 days ago nasa JB ako sa park square, nakita ko yung mga MESA, sabi ko "sir pwede pasubok ng MESA?" sagot nung employee... "sir ano kase e, ano e, inaano kase namin yan sir, ano e..." :)
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Walang stock ng Stagg UPC-688
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1. Minsan yung mga noob na employees ang nagtetesting para sa mga bumibili. Like the ones I saw on a music store. Sobrang badtrip sarap sampalin ng tsinelas nung employee na nagtetest. Tinodo ba naman yung volume 200w amp with distortion na may nakaconnect na nakatodo ding electric guitar? Tapos palm muting ng palm muting kala mo naman ang sarap sa tenga! Kabadtrip eh! My point here is kumuha sila ng employee na marunong at alam nila yung ginagawa nila. Nakakabwiset tong mga ganitong encounter! Kumukuha kayo ng mga poser na empleyado na wala namang alam sa salestalk at customer service.
2. Napakaoverpriced ng mga items. Kahit lumang luma na yung item binebenta parin for a brand new price.
3. Confusing promos and ads.
4. Disorganized music store. Nakakalat lang yung ibang mga items.
5. And most of all. Halos lahat ng music store. They only focus on sales!
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DI marunong makibagay
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Walang stock at mabagal magstock...they know who they are :wave:
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This thread shows the reason why Justin Bieber, Lady Gaga, KPop etc. are prevailing in this country.
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for me, the inability of these music stores to have a reliable staff with at least an above average luthier skills.the kind the you can't count on when you're on the fly.
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5. And most of all. Halos lahat ng music store. They only focus on sales!
+1
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kelangan ng improvement sa sales dept. walang knowledge and experience sa mga products na binebenta. i recently had a bad experience in a new music store in cubao... itago na lang natin sa initials na JB! :-D
i hate it when they "Sell" it and know nothing about it.... they make you wait... for hours... then giving you the wrong information... and making stupid mistakes regarding product model and prices and are not even familiar with their promos.
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Pag walang stock ang isang store ayaw nila irecomend yung ibang branch nila or ihanap ka sa iba sa halip kukunin nila yung number mo at pag dating pa ng item mo malalaman kung meron o wala(why? kasi paunahan silang maka kota para sila yung may bonus) ang solusyon ko tawagan nalang muna lahat(landline) before ako magpunta sa kanila at bumili
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encountered that! kainis diba.
alangan naman sabihin nila na 2nd hand. anu ba dapat ang tawag sa ganun? =P
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Bumili ako sa supplier ng Freekish Blues (mga alagad ni J. Wong) dito sa Pinas tas yung attendant dun sa store nilagay niya yung gitara sa output ng pedal. Lol. :))))
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1. Minsan yung mga noob na employees ang nagtetesting para sa mga bumibili. Like the ones I saw on a music store. Sobrang badtrip sarap sampalin ng tsinelas nung employee na nagtetest. Tinodo ba naman yung volume 200w amp with distortion na may nakaconnect na nakatodo ding electric guitar? Tapos palm muting ng palm muting kala mo naman ang sarap sa tenga! Kabadtrip eh! My point here is kumuha sila ng employee na marunong at alam nila yung ginagawa nila. Nakakabwiset tong mga ganitong encounter! Kumukuha kayo ng mga poser na empleyado na wala namang alam sa salestalk at customer service.
2. Napakaoverpriced ng mga items. Kahit lumang luma na yung item binebenta parin for a brand new price.
3. Confusing promos and ads.
4. Disorganized music store. Nakakalat lang yung ibang mga items.
5. And most of all. Halos lahat ng music store. They only focus on sales!
yung number 1 bro pasok sa banga mga show off kala mo ang gagaling. :razz:
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:lol:
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mukhang yung "mahal yan ser/mam" spiel ay hindi naman natatangi sa isang music store chain.
part ba ng training yan?
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mukhang yung "mahal yan ser/mam" spiel ay hindi naman natatangi sa isang music store chain.
part ba ng training yan?
Di kaya effective selling method yan sa mga people with money? Instead na mapahiya at isiping "can't afford" sila, they'll be forced to buy to keep their image and how they want to be perceived! :lol:
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-lack of variety of guitars and amps;
-lack of knowledge/knowhow of sales reps.
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Di kaya effective selling method yan sa mga people with money? Instead na mapahiya at isiping "can't afford" sila, they'll be forced to buy to keep their image and how they want to be perceived! :lol:
actually. valid point yun ah!
at bigla ko lang naisip din, ang mas mura na stock, kunwari yung mga Fernando guitars ng JB, mga faster moving inventory yan, pag na-stock ng matagal, bababa ang value, or mabilis lang talaga mabubulok. Compared to slow moving inventory, ok lang kasi mataas ang quality nyan, hindi naman biglang bagsak ang presyo nyan tulad ng computers. Tamang alaga lang sa storage.
:|
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year is 2015, stock still 2014. :eek:
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year is 2015, stock still 2014. :eek:
talo pa ng CDR king, wala pang one year, pinalitan na ang stock :eek:
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limited choices/variants: after testing a sunburst road worn strat, "meron po ba kayo nung white?"
limited stock of specific variants: "ok na tong crybaby from hell, meron po kayong ibang stock na hindi display or test unit? scratchy na pots eh"
guitars not setup properly para ma-test ng maayos at malaman kung ok talaga: picks up a guitar from the display rack, plug into an amp...first strum: wala sa tono. after tuning: puro fret buzz. return to rack and walk out.
knowledge ng salesman about the item or anything music equipment related: "ok yan sir. Seymour Duncan pickups nyan eh" "anong model po ng Seymour Duncan?" (kamot ulo muna) "teka sir, check ko" after 15 mins, "sir, di ko sure eh, pero Seymour Duncan yan...kilala yan ng marami"
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limited choices/variants: after testing a sunburst road worn strat, "meron po ba kayo nung white?"
limited stock of specific variants: "ok na tong crybaby from hell, meron po kayong ibang stock na hindi display or test unit? scratchy na pots eh"
guitars not setup properly para ma-test ng maayos at malaman kung ok talaga: picks up a guitar from the display rack, plug into an amp...first strum: wala sa tono. after tuning: puro fret buzz. return to rack and walk out.
knowledge ng salesman about the item or anything music equipment related: "ok yan sir. Seymour Duncan pickups nyan eh" "anong model po ng Seymour Duncan?" (kamot ulo muna) "teka sir, check ko" after 15 mins, "sir, di ko sure eh, pero Seymour Duncan yan...kilala yan ng marami"
while we know that not all salespeople are gearheads, and we shouldn't expect them to be, but we rightfully expect that they know their products even at the basic level.
so kung may Seymour Duncan na pups, I don't expect them to know how much it reads of a freaking meter, sakto na yung "sir pang metal yan, eto vintage sounding" or "yung set na to mas matinis kaysa dun sa isa". At least something useful, instead of "gamit ni franco yan" or "professional equipment yan"
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Di kaya effective selling method yan sa mga people with money? Instead na mapahiya at isiping "can't afford" sila, they'll be forced to buy to keep their image and how they want to be perceived! :lol:
Totoo 'to. Kaya wag mainis kapag ganyan ang sinasabi. Depende lang talaga sa iyo kung paano mo natanggap ang mensahe. Masakit at nakakapikon pag walang perang pambili. Pag may pera ganito naman ang sasabihin, "very accomodating itong si juan" hahaha
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Concern ko lang sa ibang salesman is when they pretend to know the specs. Recently I asked for a demo ng epiphone tube amp. Mabait kasi ang salesman very eager to let me try the displays. I forgot ilang watts yun so I asked. He looked at the back of the amp and mentioned a high number. Sabi ko hindi tama yun and said baka power consumption yun. True enough I googled and he was wrong.
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Di kaya effective selling method yan sa mga people with money? Instead na mapahiya at isiping "can't afford" sila, they'll be forced to buy to keep their image and how they want to be perceived! :lol:
it could be. but i know there are people who will take off right away when the words "mahal" come into play. it could be a way of weeding out those who can't pay at the same time challenging those who can pay.
although i remember when i was 14, circa 1994, i answered back at the perfect pitch person. i told him, "look at me, im young, do you think i can't afford that? but my parents can"
it turned into a short interview and ended with a sweet "balik ka ha".
pero nakakaturn off pa din.
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When I test an item in a music store, I hardly ask questions about specs. I have usually researched the item beforehand and most likely know more about the product than the salesman anyway.
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it could be. but i know there are people who will take off right away when the words "mahal" come into play. it could be a way of weeding out those who can't pay at the same time challenging those who can pay.
although i remember when i was 14, circa 1994, i answered back at the perfect pitch person. i told him, "look at me, im young, do you think i can't afford that? but my parents can"
it turned into a short interview and ended with a sweet "balik ka ha".
pero nakakaturn off pa din.
isn't is much easier if they just mention the price? "mahal" is very subjective. for most filipinos, even an RJ or an SX is "mahal". so if the goal is to weed out those who can't pay, and at the same time challenge or entice those who can, I think just saying the price is more effective.
pag sinabing mahal kasi, yung di kaya magbayad diretso walk out na lang, tapos yung kaya naman magbayad maooffend lang, lalo na kasi usually pag tinanong ulit ang price, ang sagot "mahal" pa rin. nakakainsulto at nakakaturnoff. so that's already two kinds of sales down the drain.
compared to just saying the price outright. "sir/maam, 35K po yan." it has the same effect on those who can't afford it. but there will be some of them who might think, "pag-iipunan ko yan, mangungutang ako, makikiride sa credit card" whatever, and that converts an inquiry into a sale. pag sa may kaya naman, he can either just snap it up if it's the right guitar, or even stay in the store for a better or more expensive guitar. that's also an inquiry converted into a sale, plus you gain the respect of both markets.
it's puzzling really, how we treat our music shops like a store in a public market. you're playing the economy at a high level but still think in the same demeaning way.
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I'm just upset by the lack of flatwounds and gauges 11 and up.
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isn't is much easier if they just mention the price? "mahal" is very subjective. for most filipinos, even an RJ or an SX is "mahal". so if the goal is to weed out those who can't pay, and at the same time challenge or entice those who can, I think just saying the price is more effective.
pag sinabing mahal kasi, yung di kaya magbayad diretso walk out na lang, tapos yung kaya naman magbayad maooffend lang, lalo na kasi usually pag tinanong ulit ang price, ang sagot "mahal" pa rin. nakakainsulto at nakakaturnoff. so that's already two kinds of sales down the drain.
compared to just saying the price outright. "sir/maam, 35K po yan." it has the same effect on those who can't afford it. but there will be some of them who might think, "pag-iipunan ko yan, mangungutang ako, makikiride sa credit card" whatever, and that converts an inquiry into a sale. pag sa may kaya naman, he can either just snap it up if it's the right guitar, or even stay in the store for a better or more expensive guitar. that's also an inquiry converted into a sale, plus you gain the respect of both markets.
it's puzzling really, how we treat our music shops like a store in a public market. you're playing the economy at a high level but still think in the same demeaning way.
ewan ko nga sa pinas kung bakit ganun. sa ibang bansa naman naroon na ang price. although pansin ko din sa mga puti, pag hindi nila kaya bilin, marami sa kanila won't even think of testing something they can't afford.
also this saying rings true for most guitar products, "lahat napag iipunan".
so yeah in a way that tactic of theirs is really weird.
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Very good points, sonicassault and analog.matt! :)
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i only buy strings.. the cheapest quality set too -300php-ish for a set of '10s at music stores....and the occassional test of some gear/guitar (which is very seldom) because I never ever see myself buying new at a local music store ever.
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Me too, just strings if I run out of stock and still waiting for my regulars to arrive. Music stores (in malls) here overprice their products, under-deliver their service and harbor underpaid/incompetent a-holes for staff. Lazer though, at least the ones I go to, gets a passing mark. Mabait at honest naman sila so far. But the others geez.
Lazada for small and hard to mess up orders like picks and common parts that need to be ordered from china like tuners straplocks etc.
US for brand new electronic gear like pedals tuners... Via johnnyair.
I only buy guitars when i travel personally or if I have a friend who can hand carry it back here. Like last year a friend vacationed in japan, had her hand carry an Ibby prestige.
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na try ko pumunta sa tom lee sa hong kong at ibaibang music store sa singapore and ang napansin ko mas madami kang choices at mas mura for some reason ang mga presyo sa kanila compared sa presyuhan sa mga music stores dito sa pinas.
baket doon parang ok lang magtest ng mga items dito sa atin hinde
para sa akin dapat iencourage ng mga music stores dito sa pinas na ipatest nila up to sawa ang mga items nila lalo na ang mga mamahaling items.
dapat lakihan pa nila ang mga stores nila to accomodate yung mga magtetest ng mga items.
bale wala kase kung idisplay lang ang mga mamahaling items nila kung di naman matetest.... lahat naman pwede igoogle ang mga yun sa internet so anong use kung makikita lang at hinde matetest......pano nila malalaman na maganda yun kung hinde mo ipapatest......pano nila babalikan yun at bibilhin kung hinde mo ipapatest
parang ikaw..... pag may maganda kang gitara di ba ang gusto mo ipatest sa mga kakilala mo para maappreciate din nila..... dun nagsisimula ang GAS at dun nagsisimula ang pagiipon kahit gaano pa yan kamahal.
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na try ko pumunta sa tom lee sa hong kong at ibaibang music store sa singapore and ang napansin ko mas madami kang choices at mas mura for some reason ang mga presyo sa kanila compared sa presyuhan sa mga music stores dito sa pinas.
baket doon parang ok lang magtest ng mga items dito sa atin hinde
oo kahit ano ituro mo na guitar multifx amp etc
bait mga staffs nila :)
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Sa SG at HK, siguro 1 out of 2 na magtetesting ng item sa music stores eh bibili. Dito sa Pinas, baka 1/20 ang ratio. LOL. Kaya di mo rin masisi kung minsan aburido ang mga salesman. Kaya dati eh nagpanukala ako na mag-implement ng testing fee ang mga music stores na nasa malls/commercial establishments lalo na sa mga hi-end items nila para yun mga salesman eh hindi na nanghuhula kung sino seryoso at hindi sa pagbili. Since nagbayad ng testing fee yung customer, bibili man or hinde in the end, eh dapat na asikasuhin na ng mabuti. Kung limited lang ang pagtetesting sa mga nagbabayad ay hindi rin malalaspag ang mga gamit. Etong testing fee ay di lang para sa store; para din sa customer. Marami ang willing magbayad para sa magandang serbisyo, kesa sa libre nga pero iinit naman ang ulo mo sa masamang serbisyo.
na try ko pumunta sa tom lee sa hong kong at ibaibang music store sa singapore and ang napansin ko mas madami kang choices at mas mura for some reason ang mga presyo sa kanila compared sa presyuhan sa mga music stores dito sa pinas.
baket doon parang ok lang magtest ng mga items dito sa atin hinde
para sa akin dapat iencourage ng mga music stores dito sa pinas na ipatest nila up to sawa ang mga items nila lalo na ang mga mamahaling items.
dapat lakihan pa nila ang mga stores nila to accomodate yung mga magtetest ng mga items.
bale wala kase kung idisplay lang ang mga mamahaling items nila kung di naman matetest.... lahat naman pwede igoogle ang mga yun sa internet so anong use kung makikita lang at hinde matetest......pano nila malalaman na maganda yun kung hinde mo ipapatest......pano nila babalikan yun at bibilhin kung hinde mo ipapatest
parang ikaw..... pag may maganda kang gitara di ba ang gusto mo ipatest sa mga kakilala mo para maappreciate din nila..... dun nagsisimula ang GAS at dun nagsisimula ang pagiipon kahit gaano pa yan kamahal.
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haha visited tom lee tsim sha tsui recently.. haha sarap mag try all you can.. sinubukan ko mga acoustics..taylor martin try try lang sarap..
iba talaga sa pinas guys... panisnin ninyo sa hotels, at mga entrances ng pinas laging may sekyu, daming tanong tanong, requirements.. etc.. sablay talaga culure natin..mapanira at mapangabuso kaya the more na nirerestrain... kawawa din music store sa pinas kung nachambahan ng mga ungas na testers na gasgasin at bababyuin mga gamit sa pagtest... mas mataas kasi percentage ng mga jologs talaga..
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Well most was not able to maintain their guitars in a good playable condition kahit sa mga hi-end na, rusted strings, inaalikabok, ang taas/baba ng action, daming mantsa etc. Samantalang daming free time ng salesman
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I wish RJ just offers 50% off as early as the store opens. This saves customers having to line up and it allows his salesmen to even out the load across the day. Anyway, Pinoys will all just line up at 8 o clock in the evening to maximise their discount on already crappy gear.
Which brings me to my point -- Who is really having the last laugh? I mean if RJ can give a 50% discount; he must have at least a 55% margin. Which means Pinoys are actually paying for a 45% of the price guitar. Given the prices, that again translates to lousier guitars.
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i think to pinoys its just the trill of getting a good deal..well at least the illusion of getting gear for cheaps... kahit na alam naman nating walng ka value value mga current rebadged stuff niya...
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I wish RJ just offers 50% off as early as the store opens. This saves customers having to line up and it allows his salesmen to even out the load across the day. Anyway, Pinoys will all just line up at 8 o clock in the evening to maximise their discount on already crappy gear.
Which brings me to my point -- Who is really having the last laugh? I mean if RJ can give a 50% discount; he must have at least a 55% margin. Which means Pinoys are actually paying for a 45% of the price guitar. Given the prices, that again translates to lousier guitars.
+1
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Tried Tom Lee HK and Swee Lee SG din and can't help but compare. All I can say is customer service makes all the difference. Btw, meron bang store dito na pag bibili ka ng med to high tier priced guitar pwede kang mag handpick from their stocks?