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Title: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on July 19, 2006, 10:20:44 AM
Okay, forumites! Listen up!
If you had a chance to walk into a studio and be taught everything under the sun about recording, what would you like to know?
I have been in discussion with another forumite about setting up a workshop to learn about recording. The basic premise is that we will work with what is locally available, hardware and software-wise, mimicking the plight of most recordists here. The goal is to try to educate most musicians/bands on how to properly record their music, if possible in a DIY setting. Hopefully, we will post mp3's and pics of the workshop's progress. The purpose of this post is to let us know specifically, what interests the majority out there.
Any violent reactions?
Title: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: Sound Weavers on July 19, 2006, 03:48:12 PM
Excellent idea KITC.
One immediate and obvious suggestion is to break down to related subjects/topics
- Tracking. Signal chain, mic selection, mic placement.
- Editing
- Mixing
Gerry
Title: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: jplacson on July 19, 2006, 07:09:36 PM
basics... proper miking techniques given different situations...
-understanding room modes and effect on miking techniques
-miking a band all in one room
-miking just the drums, given limited mics
-miking drums individually
-miking acoustic guitars
-why use room mics... why NOT to use them... same goes for close miking, the whys and why nots.
-gain staging (why to NOT just pump up trim/gain)
Title: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: Jie on July 19, 2006, 07:38:51 PM
This is a great idea! For everyone who's into recording this is a chance to put those knowledge into practice. This event will certainly give a positive result.
Few things i would like to add... Effects Processor Mixing Mastering
Jie
Title: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: Tarkuz Toccata on July 19, 2006, 08:04:13 PM
I think it's better to start with Live Sound first because that's where the fundamentals of audio are.
example: What's a "decibel"? :?
Title: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: Agent_So on July 20, 2006, 01:31:41 AM
sakin better to know first the hardware used.. how to connect each hardware to each other and what are the best, loacally available hardware for recording.. for example. instruments>>mixer>>processors>>interface>>pc>> end product
for me.. mas maganda malaman muna ang function ng bawat isa para ma setup ng maigi..
and another thing na gusto ko malaman is what are the advantages/dis-advantages ng ng pc recording or using recording equipments like tascams has..
actually sir kitC, im planning to ask you nga sana if i can visit your studio para makita setup mo and to gain knowlege as well..hehehe. if thats ok.. :oops:
Title: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: markthevirtuoso on July 20, 2006, 02:36:40 AM
Quote from: Tarkuz Toccata
I think it's better to start with Live Sound first because that's where the fundamentals of audio are.
example: What's a "decibel"? :?
True, however we know that decibels manifest in various perspectives (ie dBv, dBu, dBw, dBm, dBspl etc...).
Better yet, start with the main source of the subject - "What is sound?" :wink:
Just my opinion. :)
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: markthevirtuoso on July 20, 2006, 02:40:42 AM
Quote from: KitC
Okay, forumites! Listen up!
If you had a chance to walk into a studio and be taught everything under the sun about recording, what would you like to know?
I have been in discussion with another forumite about setting up a workshop to learn about recording. The basic premise is that we will work with what is locally available, hardware and software-wise, mimicking the plight of most recordists here. The goal is to try to educate most musicians/bands on how to properly record their music, if possible in a DIY setting. Hopefully, we will post mp3's and pics of the workshop's progress. The purpose of this post is to let us know specifically, what interests the majority out there.
Any violent reactions?
Ok yan sir. :D Sana may mga nag-ku-kusa ring mag-organize nang ganyang workshops dito. :(
Title: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on July 20, 2006, 04:02:24 AM
Quote from: Agent_So
actually sir kitC, im planning to ask you nga sana if i can visit your studio para makita setup mo and to gain knowlege as well..hehehe. if thats ok.. :oops:
Hehe. Normally, I would accept but I moved all gear into my bedroom and I have an angel (http://photos.friendster.com/photos/74/84/9204847/24318272650008s.jpg) guarding my bed so... no go.
I'm building a 2nd portable DAW based on a Shuttle-type case and it will probably house my DSP Factory. Maybe then my 'studio' will go to you instead.
Title: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: Tarkuz Toccata on July 20, 2006, 07:06:23 AM
Quote from: markthevirtuoso
Quote from: Tarkuz Toccata
I think it's better to start with Live Sound first because that's where the fundamentals of audio are.
example: What's a "decibel"? :?
True, however we know that decibels manifest in various perspectives (ie dBv, dBu, dBw, dBm, dBspl etc...).
Better yet, start with the main source of the subject - "What is sound?" :wink:
Just my opinion. :)
Picky, picky...
Or better yet,
Part 1. "The Ear & Psychoacoustics of Hearing" Part 2. "The Nature of Sound"
:wink: :wink:
examples:
What are the three physical components of sound and their perceived correlate?
What are the three ways to graph sound? Which of the three components are visible in each?
What are the four areas of the acoustic envelope that define the dynamics of a sound?
What are the three major subdivisions of the auditory system? Give the mediums through which sound travels in each of these subdivisions.
If sound follows the Law of Energy Conservation, what three things can happen when sound energy strikes a surface?
etc.
:lol:
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: Tarkuz Toccata on July 20, 2006, 07:55:44 AM
Quote from: KitC
I have been in discussion with another forumite about setting up a workshop to learn about recording. The basic premise is that we will work with what is locally available, hardware and software-wise, mimicking the plight of most recordists here. The goal is to try to educate most musicians/bands on how to properly record their music, if possible in a DIY setting. Hopefully, we will post mp3's and pics of the workshop's progress. The purpose of this post is to let us know specifically, what interests the majority out there.
Free?
Title: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: Boddhisattva on July 20, 2006, 08:06:57 AM
Sali ako.
Reading print ads in music mags, I wonder what all those hardware and software does.
Title: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: marvinq on July 20, 2006, 10:43:03 AM
hey guys. for the more technical aspects of recording, maybe the thread with the title, 'IAA Lectures', might interest you.
Title: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: bindoy on July 20, 2006, 12:07:13 PM
manganda po yan sirs..para mapa Newbie hanggang mapadalubhasa...anu ba po balak .. hands on talaga(as in classes) o thru boards lang?
Title: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on July 20, 2006, 12:16:16 PM
It seems the list is ever growing as to what we want to be taught but as always, time is the limiting factor. If we were to simplify what you want and need to know and not get too technical in the process, a practical approach if you will, it will help define the course better. This is not to say this will become a "Recording for Dummies" session, but hopefully something tailored for the majority with more than just basic knowledge handed out. The main purpose here is to spread out knowledge in hopes that anyone's recording will improve regardless of the gear. Comments from newbies to recording are especially welcome.
Title: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: markthevirtuoso on July 20, 2006, 06:33:52 PM
Quote from: Tarkuz Toccata
Quote from: markthevirtuoso
Quote from: Tarkuz Toccata
I think it's better to start with Live Sound first because that's where the fundamentals of audio are.
example: What's a "decibel"? :?
True, however we know that decibels manifest in various perspectives (ie dBv, dBu, dBw, dBm, dBspl etc...).
Better yet, start with the main source of the subject - "What is sound?" :wink:
Just my opinion. :)
Picky, picky...
Or better yet,
Part 1. "The Ear & Psychoacoustics of Hearing" Part 2. "The Nature of Sound"
:wink: :wink:
examples:
What are the three physical components of sound and their perceived correlate?
What are the three ways to graph sound? Which of the three components are visible in each?
What are the four areas of the acoustic envelope that define the dynamics of a sound?
What are the three major subdivisions of the auditory system? Give the mediums through which sound travels in each of these subdivisions.
If sound follows the Law of Energy Conservation, what three things can happen when sound energy strikes a surface?
etc.
:lol:
Wow deeper topics, ayos yan! I'd love to learn those. :D
Kaso kulang isang linggo dyan. :lol:
Title: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: starfugger on July 21, 2006, 08:28:32 AM
Nice one Kit :) well, ano nga ba maganda ... to dwell in theory muna or sabayin na theory and practice?
Title: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: BALDO on July 21, 2006, 10:38:54 AM
kitC ok yang idea na yan..siguro theory with applications na din para mabilis yung improvement naming mga bagito sa larangan ng recording.. :oops: .. isa sa mga gusto kong matutuhan e yung micing ng drums.. ie. placement at distance.. saka marami pang iba..panahon lang talaga ang kulang... :cry: .. ps ang ganda nung angel..sana ako meron din :lol: ... kapag natutunan na natin yung mga ideas, i think pwede na nating ipost yung sound bites nung mga natutunan natin..agree???? hazel i got the catalog on the fireface ( o catalog lang ha..) and it is really good!!ang ganda ng fireface mo.. kakainggit ka.. sana yun na lang binili ko :roll:
Title: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: Tarkuz Toccata on July 21, 2006, 09:20:35 PM
Quote from: Sound Weavers
- Tracking. Signal chain, mic selection, mic placement.
Quote from: jplacson
basics... proper miking techniques given different situations...
-understanding room modes and effect on miking techniques
-miking a band all in one room
-miking just the drums, given limited mics
-miking drums individually
-miking acoustic guitars
-why use room mics... why NOT to use them... same goes for close miking, the whys and why nots.
Quote from: BALDO
isa sa mga gusto kong matutuhan e yung micing ng drums.. ie. placement at distance..
The selection and placement of microphones can have a great influence on the sound of an acoustic recording. It is common view in the recording industry that the music played by a skilled musician with a quality instrument properly mic-ed can be sent directly to the recorder with little or no alteration. This simple approach can often sound better than an instrument that has been reshaped by layers of signal processing gear.
In this practical workshop, I hope the teachers demonstrate particular mic techniques and placement -- techniques to pickup a natural tonal balance, techniques to help reject unwanted sounds, and even techniques to create special effects. To do this, some fundamentals of microphones, instruments, and acoustics must be presented.
Title: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: abyssinianson on July 22, 2006, 05:55:55 AM
Quote from: starfugger
Nice one Kit :) well, ano nga ba maganda ... to dwell in theory muna or sabayin na theory and practice?
grounding yourself in theory would be beneficial pero you also have to consider the real-world appliction of the theories because the very existence of unpredictable factors affect the ideal application of whatever theory you are studying. as such, dividing the theory into modules and immediately supplementing the lesson with demonstrated applications would be ideal, i think.
feedback?
Title: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: jplacson on July 22, 2006, 01:35:56 PM
Quote from: Tarkuz Toccata
The selection and placement of microphones can have a great influence on the sound of an acoustic recording. It is common view in the recording industry that the music played by a skilled musician with a quality instrument properly mic-ed can be sent directly to the recorder with little or no alteration. This simple approach can often sound better than an instrument that has been reshaped by layers of signal processing gear.
In this practical workshop, I hope the teachers demonstrate particular mic techniques and placement -- techniques to pickup a natural tonal balance, techniques to help reject unwanted sounds, and even techniques to create special effects. To do this, some fundamentals of microphones, instruments, and acoustics must be presented.
Garbage in ---> Garbage out. Agreed... I feel this is a BIG fundamental principle that needs to be taught and re-taught (to both newbies and pros alike) since this is the foundation of "recording". Mic placement is a science and art where 1cm can make all the difference between "HEAVY metal" and "tin can".
There is no "set and forget" mic placement technique. There are general guidelines (NOT rules) but they don't work for everything... or everyone.
You can't learn enough miking techniques! :)
Title: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: balta on July 25, 2006, 04:34:50 PM
i want to learn how to get a good sound to start with and how to mix that good sound to make it a great sound and how to master it to make it awesome sound!
sana matuloy workshop this would be such a blessing
Title: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: marvinq on July 28, 2006, 04:44:32 PM
hopefully the workshop is gonna address a lot of these topics.
Title: recording workshop
Post by: Bigboy on July 30, 2006, 12:15:26 AM
may tentative date na ba ang recording workshop? just asking. intersado me dito kasi puro musikero familya namin except me, cguro sa recording ng tslents nila ako pwede.
Title: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on July 30, 2006, 12:28:15 AM
Nasa drawing board pa lang and we're still trying to plan a workshop that will benefit all based on your inputs in this thread. Someone has already offered a venue but nothing's final yet.
Hang on, folks! This things take some planning, time and a lot of concerted effort.
Title: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: Al_Librero on July 30, 2006, 01:22:44 AM
I'll help out if I can.
With your permission, I can attempt to transcribe everything in article format for Web publishing. I write for PinoyPC and it wouldn't be half-bad for me to cover some of the aspects in recording.
Title: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on July 30, 2006, 01:37:32 AM
Thanks, Al! Much appreciated. Every little bit helps.
Title: Re: recording workshop
Post by: bindoy on August 09, 2006, 02:39:56 PM
Quote from: Bigboy
may tentative date na ba ang recording workshop? just asking. intersado me dito kasi puro musikero familya namin except me, cguro sa recording ng tslents nila ako pwede.
sana may poll to kung anung araw...hehehe...saya nito...gusto ko talagang matuto ng matuto!!!coming from experts!!!hands on pa!!!yahoo!!!
Title: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: Boddhisattva on August 11, 2006, 11:39:40 AM
If the sked permits, I can bring a synth and an acoustic guitar w/ pickup.
Title: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: dequi09 on August 21, 2006, 08:54:41 PM
Count me in! Marami aattend jan! Salamat Master KitC sa idea.
Title: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on August 21, 2006, 10:00:58 PM
As an update, we now have 2 possible venues for this endeavour. I won't divulge them yet because marvinq and I are still ironing out some matters with this project. Those who are interested, please PM me so I can get a headcount.
Title: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: turiguiliano on August 24, 2006, 11:37:18 PM
Quote from: starfugger
Nice one Kit :) well, ano nga ba maganda ... to dwell in theory muna or sabayin na theory and practice?
both please.
Title: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: drummer_boy17 on August 29, 2006, 09:55:57 PM
I want to learn in editing and mixing
Title: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: jplacson on September 09, 2006, 08:41:30 PM
Is this pushing through?
Title: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on September 10, 2006, 01:05:39 PM
Quote from: jplacson
Is this pushing through?
We're still garnering more support for this project and seeking some sponsorship because this can be a somewhat large undertaking. Trying to fit a recording and mixing session within the space of 4 hours while providing a tutorial does take some detailed planning. Unfortunately, we also have our jobs to attend to so that takes a substantial chunk of our time.
There are possible venues for this event already, and several forum members have come forward with some form of assistance, one has even volunteered to document this event and publish the article online - we've even drawn up specs for low-, mid-, and high-end computers for recording although only the low-end has been finalized so far.
I've been awfully busy with work, however, and these "-ber" months are typically the start of a very busy season for me. I might have to pass the reins for this project. Any volunteers?
Title: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: tolshelman on September 20, 2006, 03:24:34 PM
I'm sorry if I chose a wrong thread. I just don't know where to post this question.
What do we need to do/have if we'll be producing an album (i mean other than finances and the songs of course)? like paperworks (where do we apply for copyright of the songs, do we need something registered sa SEC or DTI or DOTC lol), contacts... any other things you guys can suggest?
Thanks a lot in advance :D
Title: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on September 20, 2006, 05:03:49 PM
toshelman,
can you create a new topic so that you will get a lot more responses? You can apply for copyright from the National Library; apply for the entire album, it's cheaper.
Title: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: toink on September 20, 2006, 05:48:13 PM
gud day!
im searching for a workshop/short course and i think this is it! sana matuloy.
gusto ko kasi matuto, since may gamit ako. the problem is hindi ko alam ung proper way or mga techniques. cge lng ng cge kumbaga.
just tell us n lng kung kelan and magkano. tnx guys!
Title: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: bindoy on September 20, 2006, 09:26:57 PM
sirkitC, game na to!!!wowhoo!!! :D
Title: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: tolshelman on September 21, 2006, 02:53:30 PM
Quote from: KitC
toshelman,
can you create a new topic so that you will get a lot more responses?
Ok I will do that. thanks! :D
Title: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on September 21, 2006, 11:29:24 PM
Quote from: bindoy
sirkitC, game na to!!!wowhoo!!! :D
Yes. Mr. Pedero's workshop couldn't have come at a better time.
Title: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: kara on September 25, 2006, 10:24:39 PM
If this pushes through i'll be in touch and partcipate.. DIY din ako and just starting kelangan din ng ibang utak para matuto. Dami pa ding kulang..[/code]
Title: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: xjepoyx on October 18, 2006, 04:53:29 AM
whoah!!! nice thread.... tagal din ako nabakante dito sa philmusic.
tuloy ba to? o natuloy na?
i can offer a venue sa QC near abs-cbn... with the following specs on the DAW
Dell Precision Workstation 390 Dual Core Intel™ Core®2 Extreme X6800 2.93GHz/1066MHz/4MB L2/Dual-core/VT 1 Operating System: Genuine Windows® XP Professional, SP2 with Media Chassis Configuration and 1394: Mini-Tower Chassis Configuration w/ 1394 Card Memory: 4GB, 533MHz, DDR2 SDRAM Memory, ECC (2 DIMMS) Graphics Card: 128MB PCIe x16 ATI FireGL V3400, Dual DVI or Dual VGA or DVI + VGA Boot Hard Drive: 80GB SATA 3.0Gb/s with NCQ and 8MB DataBurst Cache™ 2nd Hard Drive: 250GB SATA 3.0Gb/s with NCQ and 8MB DataBurst Cache™ CD-ROM, DVD, and Read-Write Devices: 16X DVD+/-RW w/ Cyberlink PowerDVD™ and Roxio Creator™ Floppy Drive and Media Card Reader Options: Internal USB Media card reader Monitors: Dell 20 inch UltraSharp™ 2007FP Widescreen, adjustable stand, VGA/DVI 2nd Monitor: Dell 20 inch UltraSharp™ 2007FP Widescreen, adjustable stand, VGA/DVI Speakers: Dell A525 30 Watt 2.1 three piece Stereo Speakers with Subwoofer
Alesis MultiMix 16FIREWIRE 16-Channel Mixer with Firewire M1 Active 520 & 620 Audio Monitors 10 SM57 Shure 5 SM58 Shure
Software: Your choice of programs you guys wanna work with...
Note: wala nga lang ako drumset ngayon kasi kakasetup lang neto
Title: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: Yadiyada on October 19, 2006, 02:57:31 PM
nakatry na ba kayong mag record ng fusion band i mean paano sila nag rerecord by track ba or rekta na? gumagamit pa ba sila ng metronome?
Title: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: xjepoyx on October 19, 2006, 04:13:55 PM
Quote from: Yadiyada
nakatry na ba kayong mag record ng fusion band i mean paano sila nag rerecord by track ba or rekta na? gumagamit pa ba sila ng metronome?
mga fusion bands usually eh lahat singkupado (offbeat) kaya di na nagamit ng metro. Usually 1st track eh guide guitar or keyboards (kung may keyboards yung band) lang muna ni rerecord muna and tumutug on the background parang jamming lang.
sunod na track na ang drums, bass and so on and so forth.
sa mixing na lang magkakatalo then imumute or delete na lang yung track nung guide guitar. ;)
Title: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: Yadiyada on October 19, 2006, 07:45:43 PM
ok maraming salamat po sir :shock: amazing!!!
Title: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: xjepoyx on October 20, 2006, 05:02:30 AM
Quote from: Yadiyada
ok maraming salamat po sir :shock: amazing!!!
np... glad to help
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: bangbus on October 31, 2006, 04:00:59 PM
a brilliant thread you have here...as for me, i only started micing my kit last june and out of impulse i bought a VST (vision sound tech) 12-channel preamped mixer and 2 300watts speakers from JB (i dont know if its any good to you fellas) and loads of cheap ass sony raon bangketa mics (i didnt have the budget for decent ones and im still learnin my options). my primary objective was to amplify the volume or the thug sound of the drums to get that gig feel at home as i dont have a band anymore coz of work/grad school but i miss playin around town.
well the mixer and crapy mics did amplify the kit but im sure i could do more with the sound quality thats why im gettin new mics like shure pg52 and pg57 as an 'expensive' first step (thanks peeves24 for the enlightenment)...as for recordin, i am eager to experiment and learn how to connect the mixer to my pc and record the 'real' sound projected by the kit and not the cardboard boxes sounds when recorded by a video cam...recordin video and audio (simultaneously) using different devices (video cam and mixer+pc) then putting them together using a software is somethin i look forward to learnin...thanks leigh for givin me this idea.
i just dont know if my mixer is good enough for this job...baka pang-amplify lang ng volume, or ok na yung mixer and just get good mics? what do you think?
:mrgreen:
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: xjepoyx on October 31, 2006, 09:43:49 PM
a brilliant thread you have here...as for me, i only started micing my kit last june and out of impulse i bought a VST (vision sound tech) 12-channel preamped mixer and 2 300watts speakers from JB (i dont know if its any good to you fellas) and loads of cheap ass sony raon bangketa mics (i didnt have the budget for decent ones and im still learnin my options). my primary objective was to amplify the volume or the thug sound of the drums to get that gig feel at home as i dont have a band anymore coz of work/grad school but i miss playin around town.
well the mixer and crapy mics did amplify the kit but im sure i could do more with the sound quality thats why im gettin new mics like shure pg52 and pg57 as an 'expensive' first step (thanks peeves24 for the enlightenment)...as for recordin, i am eager to experiment and learn how to connect the mixer to my pc and record the 'real' sound projected by the kit and not the cardboard boxes sounds when recorded by a video cam...recordin video and audio (simultaneously) using different devices (video cam and mixer+pc) then putting them together using a software is somethin i look forward to learnin...thanks leigh for givin me this idea.
i just dont know if my mixer is good enough for this job...baka pang-amplify lang ng volume, or ok na yung mixer and just get good mics? what do you think?
:mrgreen:
its quite confusing what u r really trying to accomplish. r u just gonna make some kind of music video that is recorded as live? so when you sync the video and the audio it'll produce the sound from all mic ins instead of the ambience sound from the drums?
if thats the case... 1. mics and mixer that'll do if you dont want a real fancy kind of sound meaning just for your own enjoyment. queries... 1. What you really need is the basic setup of mics for a drumkit and balancing the sound of each(toms,snare,bass,cymbals). 2. What kind of input are you using to the pc? is it just the onboard audio card? 3. what software are you using?
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on October 31, 2006, 11:36:52 PM
e_o_i-jepoy,
You may want to refer to bangbus' thread here (http://talk.philmusic.com/board/index.php/topic,29451.0.html).
@bangbus - Try to pick up some issues of Electronic Musician, Mix, Recording, and Sound on Sound. Aside from the Tweakheadz site, these mags are a great resource about pro audio and recording. Also visit the Sound on Sound (http://www.soundonsound.com/index.php?url=/) website and use their search function. SoS usually have their written articles onsite and are an excellent resource for info, for ex., compression (http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/jun99/articles/mixcomp.htm).
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: xjepoyx on November 01, 2006, 12:33:13 AM
oh ok... i didnt see that thread ;)
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: bangbus on November 01, 2006, 02:57:16 AM
kitc, jepoy thanks for your replies, kitc i shall look up those literature, thanks for your patience and help...newbie here in this area, as in pure beginner. for home use and drum amplification lang talaga. for more details pls refer to the thread i have started. i shall be addin more specifics and details on there. cheers!
:mrgreen:
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: ojotek65 on November 04, 2006, 08:14:34 PM
Mga sir, May nakapagsabi po sa akin na isang audio engineer na may available cd o downloadble files ng ibat-ibang tunog ng frequency (in hertz,khertz)? San po ba pwede makakuha nito? They said this helps you get familiar with diff. feedbacks at madali mo itong napapatay if you are aware with diff. sounds of frequency? Is this true? anyone thanks
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on November 05, 2006, 12:21:30 PM
This diagram (http://members.aol.com/pjay99site/Instrumentranges.htm) might help you with the ranges of various musical instruments in relation to a keyboard and music stave. Remember that concert pitch middle A is based on 440 Hertz and that going up an octave doubles it's frequency while going down halves it.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: mikep on November 06, 2006, 01:41:55 AM
There are indeed people who have memorized the sound of the various frequencies, and they can tell what particular frequency is giving a feedback. But this takes a long time to master. I still rely on a 1/3 octave frequency analyzer to get to the offending frequency. I have a small gadget that I use for "tuning" or "ringing" the stage monitors. It is made by Goldline, but it seems it now out of production. Google Goldline to see some handhelds you can go for. There is a Korean brand that does speakers also that came out with a nice handheld 1/3 octave. I have it but cannot remember the brand. It cost me about 20K several years ago. I'll tell you the brand when I get the item in my car. I carry it every where with me. It has become an indispensible tool. Or try going to Audiophile. They carry rack mounted units that are very nice.
There are CDs available that you can buy. However these test CDs are not available locally. There may be some you can download from the net and burn into a CDR. Then yo familiarize yourself on the different feedback frequencies. Like I said, this takes time to master.
FWIW
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: mikep on November 06, 2006, 05:15:06 PM
Phonic pala yung 1/3 octave handheld analyzer ko. It is a nice gadget.
FWIW
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: Zocalist on November 09, 2006, 10:01:07 AM
Im actually attending a 3hour workshop this sunday to be held at tracks studio (angee rozul). I wanna know if there are other recording workshops that will be available because I'd like to learn. I don't think i'd be able to stay a vocalist forever and maybe this is what i can do afterwards. I've got a basic fostex 8-track mr-8 and i'd like to start of with the basics and later on build on that.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: mikep on November 09, 2006, 03:54:25 PM
Zocalist, the Workshop is scheduled for November 25 and 26, not this Sunday. You won't find us in the studio during that day, ... but maybe Bamboo will be doing his recording. They do Sunday recordings as well.
See you November 25 and 26, that's 2006, from 1 - 6 PM at TRACKStudios, 19 Gen. Delgado St., San Antonio Village, Pasig City. 6338710 or 6333175.
FWIW
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: geetar_geek79 on November 28, 2006, 03:27:07 AM
I'd like to learn about MIDI nung recording software ko. Paano ba gamitin at para saan ba yun? :?
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: xjepoyx on November 28, 2006, 03:28:23 AM
I'd like to learn about MIDI nung recording software ko. Paano ba gamitin at para saan ba yun? :?
whats your recording software bro?
Traktion 2, kasama nung firewire Mackie na nakuha ko...
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: spazzkid on November 28, 2006, 03:45:36 AM
hey bro, maybe this would help: http://www.tweakheadz.com/how_to_get_started_with_midi.html
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: xjepoyx on November 28, 2006, 03:53:20 AM
Sir Im not sure pero I think your the only one has that kind of software dito sa Philmusic :(. as ive search Traktion 2 is a Mackie Product also. Most of us here in Music Technology and Audio Pro uses eithe Sonar, Cubase, Adobe Audition, FL, PT, Nuendo ....etc. With regards on MIDI almost all DAW apps have the same uses for the MIDI. btw do u have a Keyboards/Workstation to do MIDI Stuffs?
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: spazzkid on November 28, 2006, 04:08:52 AM
OT: jepoy gising ka pa? :-D
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: xjepoyx on November 28, 2006, 04:12:26 AM
patulog pa lang... ka ooffline pa lang ng client ko sa canada
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: spazzkid on November 28, 2006, 04:19:24 AM
OT: pang gabi ka ba? ano work mo bro? sorry sa OT. wala din kasi ako magawa dito sa trabaho eh. heheheh. pang gabi ako, call center.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: xjepoyx on November 28, 2006, 04:22:35 AM
manage my own business outsourced web maintainanance. all my guys are work from home i just monitor their works thru gotomypc tsaka ganitong oras kasi din online client namin abroad. anyway... tulog na ako try to help out geetar_geek sa midi problem nya. nytnyt
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: spazzkid on November 28, 2006, 04:30:59 AM
manage my own business outsourced web maintainanance. all my guys are work from home i just monitor their works thru gotomypc tsaka ganitong oras kasi din online client namin abroad. anyway... tulog na ako try to help out geetar_geek sa midi problem nya. nytnyt
alright see ya bro.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: drummer_boy17 on December 01, 2006, 07:25:38 PM
kung wala kami sa mga recording studio.. ano pa b mga ibang paraan pra ma record nmin yun tugtugan nmin?..
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: spazzkid on December 01, 2006, 10:35:05 PM
depende sayo yan... dati naalala ko nung may banda ako we used tape recorders to record our demos. ngayon shempre high tech na. you could go 2 practical routes. 1 is to get a multitrack tape recorder/mixer combo or 2, get a pc, load a recording software and attach a mixer to the line in. you could either do a live recording or a sequenced one on both setups. hope you have fun recording!
;)
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: bodhisattva on December 01, 2006, 10:47:26 PM
kit:
kudos on your online tutorial niche! i'll try to absorb more info from this section when i have the luxury of time. need to know more 'bout the basics tsaka acoustics na sinabi ni fafa butch dati.
inuman tayo ulit nina nonong/nomer/fafa butch tsaka na rin si jay. nyahahahah :-D
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on December 01, 2006, 10:57:21 PM
Owen!
Medyo nalito ako kasi may user dito na Bodhisattva with a capital "B" at kakilala ko rin. Miss the jamming and the boozing, pare! Now lemme see... wine and song.... ano na lang ang kulang? :wink:
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: bodhisattva on December 01, 2006, 11:05:53 PM
tayo! heheheh
i want to hear butch's sweet sarcasms again. ROFL
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: lordhelen on January 07, 2007, 07:31:28 PM
If you had a chance to walk into a studio and be taught everything under the sun about recording, what would you like to know?
I have been in discussion with another forumite about setting up a workshop to learn about recording. The basic premise is that we will work with what is locally available, hardware and software-wise, mimicking the plight of most recordists here. The goal is to try to educate most musicians/bands on how to properly record their music, if possible in a DIY setting. Hopefully, we will post mp3's and pics of the workshop's progress. The purpose of this post is to let us know specifically, what interests the majority out there.
Any violent reactions?
i want to knw how to set up your own recording at home
such as the gadgets or equips needed which can be found locally
which people can set it up for you,, stuff
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: xjepoyx on January 08, 2007, 01:05:30 AM
i want to knw how to set up your own recording at home
such as the gadgets or equips needed which can be found locally
which people can set it up for you,, stuff
you can refer to this sir, recently posted lang din to http://talk.philmusic.com/board/index.php?topic=33656.0
btw... what do you mean by people can set it up for you? meaning someone will setup you home recording?
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: abusound on February 12, 2007, 12:30:15 PM
Check these out...especially the 7.3 features... Please tell as many people as possible about these....the more people who know how to get the max out of Pro Tools..the more they will know why it's the industry standard!
Pro Tools 7.3 New Features (Part 1) = http://www.youtube.com/watch? v=Fiz_qti090Q
Pro Tools 7.3 New Features (Part 1) = http://www.youtube.com/watch? v=IWYixVH9oXw
Pro Tools 7.3 Looping = http://www.youtube.com/watch? v=5lNaNpg6Q-A
Pro Tools 7.3 Window Configurations = http://www.youtube.com/watch? v=jxMP8xdmj9s
Pro Tools 7.3 Dynamic Transport = http://www.youtube.com/watch? v=9T4Tis31aqY
Pro Tools & Live (Part 1) = http://www.youtube.com/watch? v=K1rTUjYNopc
Pro Tools & Live (Part 2) = http://www.youtube.com/watch? v=FZ5bDY2OhiM
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: marcowpg3 on February 15, 2007, 11:36:14 AM
sakin kung pwde sana malaman yung pag connect ng mga hardware like yung cables to the mixer to the mics amps to the computer and interface etc...medyo magulo kasi talaga. pati SOUNDPROOFING kung may nakakaalam, info pls!
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: noelvictoria on February 19, 2007, 05:13:20 PM
I want to learn how to convert an analog recording studio to a digital recording studio... what equipment do I need to purchase and which equipment I can still use from the old studio.
Anyone here who offers technical expertise about this?
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: m_u_Z_i_k on February 21, 2007, 04:00:48 PM
Ei Guys,, newbie lang.. How about the M-Audio? Nakita ko siya sa isang store and mukang impressive naman siya. any reaction can help?
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on February 22, 2007, 12:49:34 AM
I want to learn how to convert an analog recording studio to a digital recording studio... what equipment do I need to purchase and which equipment I can still use from the old studio.
Anyone here who offers technical expertise about this?
There are 2 ways to go digital, either through modular digital multitracks (MDM's) such as ADAT and various hard disk recorders, the other is via computers. MDMs are almost no-fuss... just turn them on and start recording; in some cases, you can fly in a track into a computer for further editing but this capability is built into higher valued MDMs. Examples of MDMs are the Roland VS series, Fostex VFs and of course, the Alesis ADAT and Tascam DA series.
The computer side of things requires you to choose between pc and mac platforms as well as the recording software and hardware. I can't stress this enough... always design your pc around the software that it will run. All too often we get the pc first then purchase the software later; that is often where the problems begin. Do a lot of research into compatible systems with the software of your choice... and don't even think about building a gaming machine for serious DAW work - the 2 are often incompatible with each other.
Ei Guys,, newbie lang.. How about the M-Audio? Nakita ko siya sa isang store and mukang impressive naman siya. any reaction can help?
M-Audio is quite good. The Delta series uses the Via Envy chipset which is very good in handling audio streams. The A/D converters are AKM, I think, which are usually better than consumer level plus the drivers are very stable but YMMV depending on your system.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: noelvictoria on February 22, 2007, 09:46:31 AM
There are 2 ways to go digital, either through modular digital multitracks (MDM's) such as ADAT and various hard disk recorders, the other is via computers. MDMs are almost no-fuss... just turn them on and start recording; in some cases, you can fly in a track into a computer for further editing but this capability is built into higher valued MDMs. Examples of MDMs are the Roland VS series, Fostex VFs and of course, the Alesis ADAT and Tascam DA series.
The computer side of things requires you to choose between pc and mac platforms as well as the recording software and hardware. I can't stress this enough... always design your pc around the software that it will run. All too often we get the pc first then purchase the software later; that is often where the problems begin. Do a lot of research into compatible systems with the software of your choice... and don't even think about building a gaming machine for serious DAW work - the 2 are often incompatible with each other.
Thanks! I already bought the Roland VS-1824CD, I don't know if it's any good. I'm also looking for someone to help me put it together... any ideas? :) I'm not sure what software I would be needing but I really like ProTools so I might go with the Mac. Would you know anyone who provides services to help me put up the studio together again using the Roland VS-1824CD + a new Mac?
Thanks again!
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on February 22, 2007, 02:35:14 PM
What's your location so that anyone within the vicinity can assist you?
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: noelvictoria on February 22, 2007, 02:58:59 PM
What's your location so that anyone within the vicinity can assist you?
New Manila, Quezon City... near St. Luke's Hospital :)
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: killswitch on February 23, 2007, 12:30:58 PM
i may be able to help you set up a pro tools m powered system.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: jeromish on April 04, 2007, 11:40:50 PM
hey newbie here been into home recording for a couple of years now. its great to have this kind of forums where we can talk about our art. kudos onthe mods of this thread!
I want to learn how to convert an analog recording studio to a digital recording studio... what equipment do I need to purchase and which equipment I can still use from the old studio.
Anyone here who offers technical expertise about this?
you from new manila maybe you could drop by my home studio so you could see my gears and maybe i could help you in a way with your questions. im from new manila too. i could help you with setting up your studio and i also use pro tools 7.3 good buy on the roland VS its always nice to start it with the right stuff.
regarding pro tools 7.3 its a very powerful software but it needs a good PC. I use core duo 2 PC i am very satisfied with the performance of my PC when running pro tools and havent encountered problems with it.what sux with pro tools are the plugins. di kagaya ng mga ibang software kung san san mo makukuha sa mga pirated CDs yung mga plugins nila unlike pro tools you may find a hard time looking for plugins na compatible with it.baka may mga users jan na may mga plug ins pa copy hehehe
Ei Guys,, newbie lang.. How about the M-Audio? Nakita ko siya sa isang store and mukang impressive naman siya. any reaction can help?
in my opinion m audio is quite ok. kaso walang pre amps. what i recommend to you is the delta 1010 not the "LT". yun yung rack. i read in a forrum in the states malaki difference ng sound nila. and shampre nakaka takot yung wires nyan kasi baka madaling ma loose or ma hila at least pag rack matibay talaga yun.ok ang m audio for me yung delta 1010 LT nila which is available ngayun mejo mag hahanap ka nga lang ng mga RCA to 1/4" inch na adapters pero sa RCA kasi mejo may loss yung quality pero ok na din for starters good luck!
ok yung gagawin nyong tutorials kasi maski ako dami ko pang kailangan matutunan hehehe pano nyo ba uumpisahan yung topic ng tutorials nyo?
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on April 05, 2007, 01:19:35 AM
hello jeromish! Welcome to the forums!
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: jeromish on April 05, 2007, 12:55:15 PM
thanks! pano uumpisahan yung thread ng tutorials nyo? hehehe nung topic yung una sir? hehe attend na ako ng classess nyo hehehe :-D
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on April 05, 2007, 01:38:17 PM
Aside from MikeP's workshops, there are plans to conduct a beginners workshop on pc recording, mostly dealing with the hardware side of things since this is really where most stumble (while a true artist shouldn't blame his tools, he should have the right tools to begin with). We could start off with a tutorial thread and I'll make it a sticky.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: xavier on April 15, 2007, 03:27:00 PM
wala po bang sticky na pro audio faqs (yes, i know sinabi ko na to dun sa isang thread, pero mas tama yata kung dito eh :-D )?
anyway. is a laptop good enough for recording? upgradable naman yung soundcard nya or do i have to devote a desktop computer for recording?
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on April 15, 2007, 10:38:22 PM
Nice idea on the audio faq sticky, but it seems this thread is somehow evolving into one. But rather than re-invent the wheel, there are sites that give a better explanation on audio technology like tweakheadz.com or even the Bruce A. Miller online mixing courses (the links are in the Educational Material sticky so the faq is kinda covered, albeit via proxy).
Is a laptop good for recording? If it's fast enough and has sufficient ram, yes. But remember, you can't upgrade the cpu and video, and you will need external hard drives for unloading data to. Soundcards can come in pcmcia, usb2 or firewire flavor, but you will have to research your laptop's specs since some chipsets and firewire/usb controller chips don't play well with audio.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: xavier on April 16, 2007, 09:04:50 AM
okay. thanks sir!
dagdag question sir:
kung isang instrument lang naman ang irerecord ko(ex.: guitar or bass), kailangan ko pa po ba ng amp? o may software na makaka-'tulong' sa akin?
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on April 16, 2007, 09:07:32 PM
There are simulators that can sound like guitar amps and cabinets. you can record a clean tone can use something like Guitar Rig or Amplitube for amp simulations.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: xavier on April 16, 2007, 10:05:25 PM
so the set up would be
instrument -> cord -> PC ?
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on April 16, 2007, 10:54:26 PM
hey newbie here been into home recording for a couple of years now. its great to have this kind of forums where we can talk about our art. kudos onthe mods of this thread!
I want to learn how to convert an analog recording studio to a digital recording studio... what equipment do I need to purchase and which equipment I can still use from the old studio.
Anyone here who offers technical expertise about this?
you from new manila maybe you could drop by my home studio so you could see my gears and maybe i could help you in a way with your questions. im from new manila too. i could help you with setting up your studio and i also use pro tools 7.3 good buy on the roland VS its always nice to start it with the right stuff.
regarding pro tools 7.3 its a very powerful software but it needs a good PC. I use core duo 2 PC i am very satisfied with the performance of my PC when running pro tools and havent encountered problems with it.what sux with pro tools are the plugins. di kagaya ng mga ibang software kung san san mo makukuha sa mga pirated CDs yung mga plugins nila unlike pro tools you may find a hard time looking for plugins na compatible with it.baka may mga users jan na may mga plug ins pa copy hehehe
Ei Guys,, newbie lang.. How about the M-Audio? Nakita ko siya sa isang store and mukang impressive naman siya. any reaction can help?
in my opinion m audio is quite ok. kaso walang pre amps. what i recommend to you is the delta 1010 not the "LT". yun yung rack. i read in a forrum in the states malaki difference ng sound nila. and shampre nakaka takot yung wires nyan kasi baka madaling ma loose or ma hila at least pag rack matibay talaga yun.ok ang m audio for me yung delta 1010 LT nila which is available ngayun mejo mag hahanap ka nga lang ng mga RCA to 1/4" inch na adapters pero sa RCA kasi mejo may loss yung quality pero ok na din for starters good luck!
ok yung gagawin nyong tutorials kasi maski ako dami ko pang kailangan matutunan hehehe pano nyo ba uumpisahan yung topic ng tutorials nyo?
Sir, san kayo sa New Manila? I' would like to see you setup. :)
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on April 20, 2007, 03:28:12 PM
DI stands for "Direct Injection" or "Direct Input" box. From wiki: "A DI unit or DI box is an electronic device that connects a high impedance line level signal that uses an unbalanced cable with a 1/4" phone plug to a low impedance mic level input that uses a balanced cable and XLR connector. For example: connecting an electric guitar through a DI box and then to a mixing console's mic input. It performs level matching, balancing, and either active buffering or passive impedance bridging to minimise noise, distortion, and ground loops. (They do not perform impedance matching.)"
I've been using an ART Tube Studio V3 as a sort of guitar DI; it works very well in this regard. The cheaper ART Tube MP will also do as will the equivalent Behringer unit.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: nicolle on April 21, 2007, 02:32:53 AM
Aside from MikeP's workshops, there are plans to conduct a beginners workshop on pc recording, mostly dealing with the hardware side of things since this is really where most stumble (while a true artist shouldn't blame his tools, he should have the right tools to begin with). We could start off with a tutorial thread and I'll make it a sticky.
Wow!
This would really be of great help to us who are interested of at least for a start being able to pc record our own songs...would be on the look out for this thread, Sir!
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on April 21, 2007, 01:33:03 PM
This would really be of great help to us who are interested of at least for a start being able to pc record our own songs...would be on the look out for this thread, Sir!
I set up the thread. Fire away with your questions.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: Seej on May 03, 2007, 03:14:12 AM
Sir Kit, matanong nga lang. Medyo noob question to.
May plano kami magrecord sa Pipeline sa may Gil Puyat Ave.
Pano po yung recording nun? Ano po yung kasama dun? First time lang kasi namin eh. Pasensya na.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on May 03, 2007, 10:14:44 AM
Seej,
Haven't been to Pipeline yet but I can most likely assume computer based recording yan. I don't know what you mean about anong kasama dun, but you should be covered.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: xjepoyx on May 03, 2007, 10:20:46 AM
Last Clinic of Markflo at pipeline... i didnt see any recording equipment there anymore. A few days ago ive chatted with a friend and i forgot na kung sino sa kanila and said to me na "magsasara na yata pipeline ah... alam ko ala na gamit dun" sabi ko naman sa kanya kaya pala wala ako nakitang gamit na dun.
anyways... hope sana someone can clarrify that
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: stanley on May 22, 2007, 05:09:58 AM
mga sir, ano po ba yung de-essing , paano ginagawa ito, bakit ginagawa ito at ano ang naitutulong nito sa mixing. salamat po and Gbu. 8-)
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: mikep on May 22, 2007, 03:32:05 PM
You only use a de-esser if the talent or artist has a problem with producing so many "esses" that becomes annoying. It is the over-emphasis of the "esses." The de-esser kinda tames the "sss" in the voice.
There are rack mounted de-essers as well as sometimes incorporated in an outboard gear with other functions like eq, compressor/limiter, etc. It is also available as plug in in some DAW softwares.
FWIW
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: stanley on May 22, 2007, 04:21:13 PM
ah ganun po ba.. thanks sir mike. :-)
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: jv21 on May 23, 2007, 12:38:04 AM
sir kitc, question.
bt po parang sobrang linis tunog ng distortion ng gtara when i am recording direct sa computer? hndi live ung tunog or hndi sya maingay khet naka full na gain nya? (im using boss multi efx). pero pag sa ibang effects like zoom eh maaus naman ung tunog pag gnamitan ng distortion/metal/drive??
tnx.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on May 23, 2007, 02:07:45 AM
Oooohhh... tough one. I think the GC guys are in a better position to answer this. It's usually down to the amp simulation algorithms if they are capable of recreating the 'dirt' when miking an amp. Obviously earlier algorithms didn't do this very well but the newer ones are getting frighteningly close, even taking mic emulations into account.
The thing about miked amps is the sound of the amplifier/speaker combination, the interaction of the speaker cone with air, mic positioning, and the quality and type of the mic itself. You can only do so much with numbers at this point in time.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: jv21 on May 23, 2007, 02:12:41 AM
tnx.. gagamet na lang cguro me ng zoom. hehe. anyway, pano gawin mas live ung tunog ng MIDI drums? (or para d mag tunog videoke.. hehe...) (using SONAR 6.)
tnx sir. long live!
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on May 23, 2007, 02:55:12 AM
Use Session Drummer2 (comes with Sonar 6).
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: stanley on May 24, 2007, 05:15:37 AM
mga sir, ano po ba ang difference ng active DI box sa passive DI, which one have better clarity sound na napoproduce. pareho ba silang pwedeng dumaan sa mixer, paki lagay din po ang routing starting from guitar up to the pc w/o external interface. Di me sure if ganito ba ( gtr > zoom 1010 > DI ( act./pass. ) > mixer > soundcard> pc ).
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: kintosh on July 07, 2007, 02:56:18 PM
If i will start from a scratch... how will it cost me to set-up a basic home recording studio? 50-75k? 75-100k?
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: terencek on July 12, 2007, 11:31:49 AM
a budget of 50-75k pwede na. sa home recording.
PC na around 32k 2x2 audio, 1x1 midi, 1x1 spdif interface isang 25 na keyboard controller 1 pair 4" monitor Isang behringer na tube preamp(mic200) isang mic cables and connectors.
bilhin mo ng hiwalay yung mga softwares.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: diosa! on July 22, 2007, 02:15:59 PM
actually, ive learned a lot about recording and that is with M-audio! try it. its basically like having a mini recording studio! available at jb music sm-supercenter,valenzuela city!
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on July 22, 2007, 03:19:54 PM
actually, ive learned a lot about recording and that is with M-audio! try it. its basically like having a mini recording studio! available at jb music sm-supercenter,valenzuela city!
:? Uhhh... thanks for the commercial break.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: progressive_pilipinas on July 31, 2007, 10:44:50 PM
i would like to learn the basics for every recording program available. Sound input, sound output, plug ins, brush tools, sound mixing.. all the basics. :roll:
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: xjepoyx on July 31, 2007, 10:50:18 PM
i would like to learn the basics for every recording program available. Sound input, sound output, plug ins, brush tools, sound mixing.. all the basics. :roll:
you should have attended the last PC Based Audio Engineering Workshop
i would like to learn the basics for every recording program available. Sound input, sound output, plug ins, brush tools, sound mixing.. all the basics. :roll:
Start with one program and try to learn it inside out. You will find that the others are similar making it easy to go from one program to another.
Before everything, however, decide on how you want to go about recording. There are several disciplines that you could take up like studio recording, live recording, audio post production, sound design, and even foley recording. While there are similarities, each requires a specific skill set, yet all require one singular trait... a good set of ears. Not all require that you be a musician or that you should have musical skills (though it is a big help sometimes), but all require that you should have a discerning PAIR of ears.
Second, be prepared to bury your nose in some documentation. Read, read, read... If your interest is in mixing, pick up a copy of Mix magazine or go to some online schools like Bruce A. Miller - the links are in the stickies in this board. Once you've read that mixing article, go apply it so that you train your ears. Yes, we all know what we want to hear, but it's so much easier if you can identify what you need to do to achieve it. Like if you want to do that megaphone sound or old record sound on a track, will you know what plugin to insert or what frequencies to tweak? The more you know, the better.
Last, be open to experimentation. Most of the music technology today got their start from telecommunications. Some techniques were even the result of a lucky accident while working on a track.
I know the above sounds like going to school or something, but you shouldn't stop learning something new if you're really serious. Even I am learning something new everyday...
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: progressive_pilipinas on August 01, 2007, 01:19:07 AM
i would like to learn the basics for every recording program available. Sound input, sound output, plug ins, brush tools, sound mixing.. all the basics. :roll:
Start with one program and try to learn it inside out. You will find that the others are similar making it easy to go from one program to another.
Before everything, however, decide on how you want to go about recording. There are several disciplines that you could take up like studio recording, live recording, audio post production, sound design, and even foley recording. While there are similarities, each requires a specific skill set, yet all require one singular trait... a good set of ears. Not all require that you be a musician or that you should have musical skills (though it is a big help sometimes), but all require that you should have a discerning PAIR of ears.
Second, be prepared to bury your nose in some documentation. Read, read, read... If your interest is in mixing, pick up a copy of Mix magazine or go to some online schools like Bruce A. Miller - the links are in the stickies in this board. Once you've read that mixing article, go apply it so that you train your ears. Yes, we all know what we want to hear, but it's so much easier if you can identify what you need to do to achieve it. Like if you want to do that megaphone sound or old record sound on a track, will you know what plugin to insert or what frequencies to tweak? The more you know, the better.
Last, be open to experimentation. Most of the music technology today got their start from telecommunications. Some techniques were even the result of a lucky accident while working on a track.
I know the above sounds like going to school or something, but you shouldn't stop learning something new if you're really serious. Even I am learning something new everyday...
thanks KitC, ive great interest in studio recording as well as mixing. I will be visiting the site you gave me, thanks a lot!
im just gonna hover every once in a while over this section and see if youd come up with recording lessons part three. :-D
at edgeofillusion-jepoy
i saw that bro, unfortunately, work did not permit me to attend those recording workshops. :-)
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: xjepoyx on August 01, 2007, 01:23:07 AM
i saw that bro, unfortunately, work did not permit me to attend those recording workshops. :-)
our studio doors are always open for anyone who really wants to learn :D diba bamf and kitc?
wow!! so manggugulo ako noh?! hehe thanks for the offer. i hope to drop by some time and hang out with you guy, sigurado ang daaaammmi kong matututunan. :lol:
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on August 01, 2007, 10:40:41 AM
wow!! so manggugulo ako noh?! hehe thanks for the offer. i hope to drop by some time and hang out with you guy, sigurado ang daaaammmi kong matututunan. :lol:
defo, yes! you should see our apprentice now.... not only is our padawan, Sammy, turning out to be one heck of a knob twiddler :-D , but he sure can pound the drums into submission, too! (and that's with using toothpicks!)
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: marvinq on August 01, 2007, 11:47:31 AM
yeah! go sammy!
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: stanley on August 02, 2007, 10:01:05 AM
mga sir, ano ba yung foley recording, thanks.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on August 02, 2007, 12:55:41 PM
Usually sound effects for movies and video. Think the sound of walking through grass, sand or even a rocky canyon. Ever watched those "Making of Star Wars" docu's? Like who would have thunk that those laser blasts were part of a radio tower guy wire? Or that Chewbacca's growl was part bear and lion roar?
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: stanley on August 02, 2007, 01:28:40 PM
ok sir kit thank you :-)
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: abyssinianson on August 26, 2007, 11:59:08 AM
defo, yes! you should see our apprentice now.... not only is our padawan, Sammy, turning out to be one heck of a knob twiddler :-D , but he sure can pound the drums into submission, too! (and that's with using toothpicks!)
being a knob twiddler is a good thing. especially when you are working with amps. here is an old session picture: (http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i292/miclumayag/101.jpg)
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: marvinq on August 26, 2007, 12:07:19 PM
wow! i wonder what the sound would be like if all the amps were played together. probably, trying to duplicate that experience on a recording would be a task that'd be close to impossible.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: abyssinianson on August 26, 2007, 01:01:27 PM
wow! i wonder what the sound would be like if all the amps were played together. probably, trying to duplicate that experience on a recording would be a task that'd be close to impossible.
loud, i would imagine. i remember that the guitarist and I spent an afternoon working with the guitar tones before settling on a set of amp/guitar combinations for clean, slightly dirty and crunch sounds for recording. we found that although having a 4x12 was awesome ...using 2x12 cabs in the live room proved to produce a more focused sound with the array of heads that we had on hand.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: Fretduster on August 27, 2007, 10:14:05 AM
mga sirs bago lang po me dito..just wondrin if this project will get materialized..how much would it cost us to avail training on ur workshops po?tulyo pa po ba to?
thx mga sirs! :mrgreen:
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: marvinq on August 27, 2007, 10:40:29 AM
actually, this sort of materialized already, thanks to kitc and jepoy, and the rest of PIMP.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: Fretduster on August 27, 2007, 10:47:34 AM
oh ganun po ba..pwede pa pm naman po ng mag registration fee at mga needed extra expenditures while nag te take ng workshop..
thx sirs
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: xjepoyx on August 28, 2007, 01:12:40 AM
defo, yes! you should see our apprentice now.... not only is our padawan, Sammy, turning out to be one heck of a knob twiddler :-D , but he sure can pound the drums into submission, too! (and that's with using toothpicks!)
waaaaaa!!!!! salamat sir kit!!!! :D
hehehe
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: progressive_pilipinas on September 18, 2007, 03:53:21 AM
The key to recording vocals is to capture it with the intention that you probably don't want to eq it later on. That's why it's very important to match your mic and preamp combination with the person being recorded; not all mics are suitable with all people.
Second, the vocalist must know how to "work" the mic. If one spends a lot of time managing levels with vocal tracks, then it's likely that the vocalist is either not familiar with the mic or the gain staging is not properly set up.
Third, the room plays a very important part with vocals. Improper isolation is often the weakness of most amateur recordings, next is dealing with room reflections. While vocals are often recorded dry, not taking the room into consideration can introduce reflections and resonances that can cause problems when trying to fit the vocal track into the mix.
In short, preparation is key when capturing a good vocal take. With the right combinations of the above, you may not even need to eq vocals.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: marvinq on September 24, 2007, 06:20:52 AM
do you mean to say that pods aren't for serious recording? haha.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on September 24, 2007, 12:18:54 PM
do you mean to say that pods aren't for serious recording? haha.
It got me curious enough to join the HC forums. Besides... that's Craig Anderton's home roost... this guy's reviews on Sonar is always phenomenal.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: marvinq on September 24, 2007, 02:04:01 PM
yeah, i would have to agree. well, you're his pinoy counterpart.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: kremetory on September 29, 2007, 04:07:46 PM
hey sir kit question lang do you know where i could buy useful books for recording sabi nila meron daw sa national and in other bookstores kaso di ko alam ung title and author hope you could help me out here.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: mikep on September 30, 2007, 11:54:15 AM
Go to Fully Booked @ Serendra. There are a couple of books there about recording (I already picked up "Sound System Design, 3rd Ed." by Davis and Patronis, "Sound Systems:Design and Optimization" by McCarthy and "Architectural Acoustics" by Marshall Long. Cost me a fortune). Another place to go is at Megamall, 5th Floor, Alexan Marketing. They normally have nice books on recording technology. If I am not mistaken, they have the latest copy of Bruce Bartlett's "Practical Recording Techniques." Good luck in your search.
FWIW
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: markyulo on October 01, 2007, 03:02:14 AM
Sa akin po agree ako na magstart muna sa technical fundamentals of audio kagaya ng charateristics ng mics,ploar paterns,mic placemnts etc...
yulo audio solutions-09152761902
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: jun_gats on October 08, 2007, 06:58:53 PM
being a knob twiddler is a good thing. especially when you are working with amps. here is an old session picture: (http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i292/miclumayag/101.jpg)
wow! that's my haven :-D
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: inosente on October 13, 2007, 12:37:44 AM
mgandang araw po mga sir,gusto ko pong bumuo ng recording studio kahit simple lang ano po bang software ang madaling gamitin para dun?nahihirapan po kasi akong gamitin yung adobe audition 2.0.meron po bang software na medyo madali lang gamitin?maraming salamat po sa inyo....
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: xjepoyx on October 13, 2007, 12:51:20 AM
mgandang araw po mga sir,gusto ko pong bumuo ng recording studio kahit simple lang ano po bang software ang madaling gamitin para dun?nahihirapan po kasi akong gamitin yung adobe audition 2.0.meron po bang software na medyo madali lang gamitin?maraming salamat po sa inyo....
well... i myself started with adobe audition since twas still called cool edit.
almost all multitrack recording software is the same but personally i love cubase. there are some free multitrack recording softwares... try to browse here (http://talk.philmusic.com/board/index.php/topic,13876.0.html)
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: inosente on October 13, 2007, 09:15:34 PM
well... i myself started with adobe audition since twas still called cool edit.
almost all multitrack recording software is the same but personally i love cubase. there are some free multitrack recording softwares... try to browse here (http://talk.philmusic.com/board/index.php/topic,13876.0.html)
.sir maraming salamat po sa inyo....
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: tam_guitar on October 26, 2007, 07:15:26 PM
sir KitC,
is there any software or VST plugin that would make a direct acoustic guitar record sound awesome!?
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on October 27, 2007, 12:02:19 AM
is there any software or VST plugin that would make a direct acoustic guitar record sound awesome!?
Unfortunately, plugins can either enhance or dirty up a recording, so the recording has to be awesome to begin with. That said, you can only go so far with a DI recording of an acoustic. You really have to go the extra mile by miking it with a really good mic and preamp, then the acoustic has to be a very good one as well. The problem with DI recordings of acoustics are the piezo pickups themselves, unless you are using Furman or similar pickups.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: marvinq on October 28, 2007, 03:40:49 PM
@kitc - i think you meant fishman...
i think fishman's aura system makes the sound of a guitar plugged via a pickup (preferably fishman's as well) sound pretty close to a miked up guitar... haven't tried one yet, but at least that's the claim. another thing, it's not a plug-in.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on October 28, 2007, 07:26:12 PM
Eeeeeyup! Dem ol' grey matter's beginning to go... :oops:
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: LouieAzcona on November 16, 2007, 03:18:17 PM
gud day.
i dont have a compressor yet. so, i cant set my inputs to a certain level resulting to sudden boosts in a track's gain. the real problem - it really irritates me.
i use sonar 6 producer's edition. in its audio effects option, it has a graphic dynamics. obviously, it has a graph. but with numbers that i dont know where to use for.
i tried to experiment with it, i noticed some changes but not that close to what i expect to hear.
am i using the right tool?
tnx!
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on November 17, 2007, 01:37:17 AM
i dont have a compressor yet. so, i cant set my inputs to a certain level resulting to sudden boosts in a track's gain. the real problem - it really irritates me.
One of the follies in modern day recording is resorting to gear or plugins to correct errors in the recording process. To get a consistent level, you must first set up your mike and preamp gain properly so that you are getting sufficient volume with minimum peaks and a high enough signal-to-noise ratio. It also pays to record at 24-bit so that you gain more processing headroom - note that this is processing headroom, not signal headroom. 24 bits do allow you to track without needing a compressor, but you must still pay attention to levels to prevent overloading the audio interface's inputs.
If you are experiencing problems recording vocals, then either the gain on your preamps is too low or your singer has insufficient microphone technique. It's entirely possible that his monitoring setup (headphones?) is too loud giving him the illusion of singing too loudly causing him to overcompensate with his singing. Don't raise the faders to increase the volume as this will only increase noise. Always try to get sufficient levels into your mics and preamps before it hits your A/D converters.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: LouieAzcona on November 19, 2007, 10:03:49 PM
mixers
how can i seperate all the parts of the drumset? one track for each part.
of course i need mics, but what kind of mixer should i buy? will a usb mixer solve my problem?
for now, i can divide my drumset into 3 tracks, the snare through my 2nd soundcard the kick, through a samson CO1u, condenser mic the rest(cymbals and toms), through a cheap sms mixer and my built in soundcard
tnx alot
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on November 20, 2007, 11:55:23 AM
how can i seperate all the parts of the drumset? one track for each part.
of course i need mics, but what kind of mixer should i buy? will a usb mixer solve my problem?
You will need a multi-input soundcard. Most usb mixers are usually USB1.1 meaning they can only handle 2-channel (or stereo) input and output. To be able to track multiple inputs greater than 2, you need a soundcard capable of that many inputs as well. For example, at PIMP studios, we use a Delta 1010LT which is capable of 10 simultaneous I/O - we also use the spdif inputs.
For a mixer, assuming you are getting a 8-input soundcard, you either need something with direct outs per channel, or an 8-buss mixer with direct bus outs. Since soundcards like the Delta 1010 do not have preamps, you can dispense with the mixer and add 6 additional preamps - the first 2 Delta channels have preamps already but no phantom power - or you can get an 8-channel mic preamp with individual outs. Some external firewire soundcards already have 8 preamps builtin and you can go direct without need a mixer. Having a mixer does provide you with some routing flexibility, though.
Multiple input recording does require that you up the ante on your gear. You cannot go cheap and just buy the most inexpensive soundcard or other gear because then, you will most likely compromise your sound. There are a lot of good sounding, inexpensive gear; just take the time to research and review those gear before spending your hard earned cash.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: LouieAzcona on November 21, 2007, 04:16:20 AM
sakto ung nga po balak ko. multi input na soundcard. kahit wala munang mixer. chka di pa naman po kami ganon kaseryoso, gusto ko lang maging educated unti unti para maghanda sa mga mas seryosong bagay. haha
where can i find that kind of soundcard? ung multi input.
salamat po sir KitC. this is really informative.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on November 21, 2007, 12:08:13 PM
The M-Audio Delta 1010 is carried by all JB (and Salonga) music stores. The 1010LT is priced somewhere around P16K. If you look in the Pro Audio Classifieds, there are several guys selling their 1010's, one even has the 1010 rackmount I think.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: LouieAzcona on November 22, 2007, 01:02:36 AM
cguro ill just find the ones that are found in the classifieds mas mura un di hamak naman. haha
another question sir.
ano po tawag dun sa box na saksakan ng mga cables para maconnect sa kabilang room? san po yun nabibili o pwedeng DIY nalang?
hindi po ba makakalabas yung sound doon?
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: ghostphase310 on November 22, 2007, 03:54:58 AM
I went to recording school :mrgreen:
Learned, the whole aspect of recording/adr/foley/mixing/mic playment/some mixing, wish i learned more/editing/etc
Steve!
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: LouieAzcona on November 22, 2007, 09:48:33 AM
tuwang tuwa ako nung nakita ko ung 1010LT sa classifieds. sold na pala!!!!!!! :cry:
sayang!
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on November 22, 2007, 03:15:49 PM
Huh? Waddaya mean by that? The snake is an electrical connection. Kung makakalabas, you mean na lulusot sa butas ng pader, definitely so kaya kailangan langyan ng soundproofing ung conduit na dadaanan ng snake cable.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: LouieAzcona on November 22, 2007, 05:37:34 PM
kasi meron pong mga box na may mga butas, dun po kinakabit nung drummer ung earphones niya kapag nagte-take na xa. meron din pong butas yun for the mics.
sa pimp may ganon din po, sa likod ng drumset. ilalim ng salamin. dun pumupunta yung mga cables na nakaconnect sa mics ng drumset.
pasensya na po di ko maexplain ng maayos. di ko tlga alam tawag dun eh. hehe
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: mikep on November 23, 2007, 12:56:37 PM
You're talking about a mic panel. Normally all mics going to the control room coming from the studio are connected in this panel, made up of XLRs, Pls and other connectors. This panel is connected to the mixing board which controls all the elements connected to it. In the panel, you can have line ins (or outs), monitor sources for headphones or speakers (signal coming from the control room), aside from the mic inputs. Care must be done in constructing this panel, as if done incorrectly, it will damage the integrity of your studio and control room sound proofing. The wire conduits must also be acoustically treated to prevent sounds bleeds and transfers.
FWIW
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: xjepoyx on November 23, 2007, 01:06:07 PM
You're talking about a mic panel. Normally all mics going to the control room coming from the studio are connected in this panel, made up of XLRs, Pls and other connectors. This panel is connected to the mixing board which controls all the elements connected to it. In the panel, you can have line ins (or outs), monitor sources for headphones or speakers (signal coming from the control room), aside from the mic inputs. Care must be done in constructing this panel, as if done incorrectly, it will damage the integrity of your studio and control room sound proofing. The wire conduits must also be acoustically treated to prevent sounds bleeds and transfers.
FWIW
yun po ibig sabihin ko sir!!!
so having a mic panel is really DIY?
tnx po sa reply
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: killswitch on December 04, 2007, 04:13:18 PM
yup they are custom made for your specific needs so if you don't have anyone else to do it for you DIY talaga.
I guess the correct reply is: it depends. Usually it's less expensive to DIY a snake or have it custom made, but there are some that can be bought with a combination of XLR and 1/4" TRS terminations - a friend's studios, for ex., had a 16 channel balanced snake with 4 XLR and 12 TRS sockets. Some examples here (http://www.musiciansfriend.com/navigation?q=snake).
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: killswitch on December 04, 2007, 05:25:24 PM
honga, i remember there were these whirlwind stageboxes complete with snake cable and connectors sa audiophile dati. forerunner, i think, imports them nowadays.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: LouieAzcona on December 04, 2007, 06:07:12 PM
I guess the correct reply is: it depends. Usually it's less expensive to DIY a snake or have it custom made, but there are some that can be bought with a combination of XLR and 1/4" TRS terminations - a friend's studios, for ex., had a 16 channel balanced snake with 4 XLR and 12 TRS sockets. Some examples here (http://www.musiciansfriend.com/navigation?q=snake).
medyo malaking gastusin po ung sa musicians friend.
anyway, madami pa naman oras para magresearch, sa march pa naman sisimulan construction ng studio eh. gusto ko lang unti-untiin ung mga gamit ngayon para mapag.aralan ko na.
by the way, ako pala buyer nung m audio delta 1010lt. sabi mo eh!! hehehe.
salamat!
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: Tarkuz Toccata on December 04, 2007, 07:14:13 PM
Plenty of complete snake cable sets in AUDIOPHILE... pre-assembled or separate components (stageboxes, snake cables, Neutrik chassis connectors, Neutrik cable connectors, box end strain relief, fan end strain relief, helix multipin connectors, etc.) or custom-made by the technical sales staff. Peavey snake cable sets are very affordable. Local stageboxes and made-in-China snake cables are available also.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on December 04, 2007, 08:19:37 PM
medyo malaking gastusin po ung sa musicians friend.
You haven't tried buying there, have you? I wouldn't say na medyo mahal... I actually got some good deals there, especially if you want them to match prices with an item you saw elsewhere. I got my Sennheiser HD280 Pro for about $20 less when I saw it advertised in a pc mag of all things. Of course, shipping here is another matter but this has been discussed several times.
Tarkuz' suggestions are good also. Shop around for the best deals and best parts; don't scrimp on connectors because these are one of the most important, yet unrecognized, pieces of gear in a studio. Like you don't want the tip of a cheap PL jack getting disconnected while inside your mixer, now would you?
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: LouieAzcona on December 05, 2007, 02:27:06 PM
eh kasi po ung pinakita niyo sakin na link. kita ko mga price.
mga 100 + dollars.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on December 05, 2007, 05:33:52 PM
eh kasi po ung pinakita niyo sakin na link. kita ko mga price.
mga 100 + dollars.
:?
Don't let the dollar sign scare you. Audiophile, for example, has a Pro Co brand 100-ft 24-channel snake FB/X 2404-100 that lists for Php 44,170 on their site (http://www.audiophilecomponents.com/products.php). The same item lists for $839.99 in MF, which is similar to AP's pricing... look here (http://www.musiciansfriend.com/navigation/pro-co?N=100001+201198&Ntk=All&Ntt=snake&Nty=1) for details, then do the math.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: LouieAzcona on December 05, 2007, 06:51:55 PM
ayun nakita ko na ung sa audiophile. Pro Co.
ganon pala mga presyo ng mga snake cable set!
hmmmm. sbagay. natutuo na ako. mabilis talaga masira ang isang cheap na gadget.
meron kasi kami rehearsal studio, dun kami kumukuha pambili ng mga gamit pang recording. kaya cguro nga, march ko pa matatapos lahat. at least nakuha ko na M audio. sobrang laking bagay na to.
gastos talaga! gastos sa pera gastos sa oras. ayos lang masaya naman eh. hehehe
tnx sir kitC!
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: axebass26 on December 14, 2007, 10:57:25 AM
mods redirect me nalang pag meron na nito... how much yung pinaka murang aabutin na good quality recording equipment for a studio, kahit yung pang live version lang... kung meron price list mas maganda... salamat po
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on December 14, 2007, 12:34:57 PM
mods redirect me nalang pag meron na nito... how much yung pinaka murang aabutin na good quality recording equipment for a studio, kahit yung pang live version lang... kung meron price list mas maganda... salamat po
Not a very easy question to answer because there are 2 possible paths to choose: a computer-less system and of course, computer system.
Why computer-less? Kasi it is immediately active, so to speak. Practically no boot up time, no need to launch software. Cons are you are limited to the recorder that you buy; very few have upgrade paths and editing capabilities are more limited compared to computer systems. There are gear that allow you onscreen editing and have very good effects (Mackie hard disk recorders and the Roland VS-2480, e.g.), but these will set you back quite a bit.
For computer systems, you will have to decide on the software first and soundcard second. All hardware components after that are a function of compatibility with those first 2 components.
You can inquire with Audiophile about locally available gear. For soundcards, JB and other Salonga branches carry the M-Audio brand. TMS carries some Mackie firewire components like Onyx mixers. The choices locally are more limited compared to abroad. If you can order from online stores, be aware that warranties can be a bit of a problem if you have to order from them.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: x_taxi on December 14, 2007, 02:27:08 PM
You can inquire with Audiophile about locally available gear. For soundcards, JB and other Salonga branches carry the M-Audio brand. TMS carries some Mackie firewire components like Onyx mixers. The choices locally are more limited compared to abroad. If you can order from online stores, be aware that warranties can be a bit of a problem if you have to order from them.
and you can still order emu from axisglobal, through their accredited retail stores.
but the markup's somethin like a 100%, and it takes 45 days. last time i spoke with michelle, the product manager for creative, it's not saleable, hence the lack of stock.
:-) :-) :-)
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on December 14, 2007, 02:57:02 PM
but the markup's somethin like a 100%, and it takes 45 days. last time i spoke with michelle, the product manager for creative, it's not saleable, hence the lack of stock.
Of course it's not saleable... no one is marketing the product properly.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: axebass26 on December 15, 2007, 11:19:52 AM
uh... thanks... so i'd just need to inquire about the prices...
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on December 19, 2007, 12:36:17 AM
From wiki: "An interface defines the communication boundary between two entities, such as a piece of software, a hardware device, or a user."
So, basically, an audio interface is what a computer uses to translate analog sound into binary digits for encoding (A/D conversion), and for translating binary code back into analog sound for playback (D/A conversion).
In short, an audio interface is a soundcard.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: julsam on December 21, 2007, 12:24:29 PM
we record songs using an mp3 voice recorder (its in wav format by default). is there a software which can enhance the files? where can i buy those? i just want to reduce the noise
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: axebass26 on December 21, 2007, 09:37:49 PM
we record songs using an mp3 voice recorder (its in wav format by default). is there a software which can enhance the files? where can i buy those? i just want to reduce the noise
hmmm same thing when you use a celphone... i've tried lots of programs but nothing seems to work...
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on December 21, 2007, 10:21:01 PM
hmmm same thing when you use a celphone... i've tried lots of programs but nothing seems to work...
Add to that the fact that mp3 recorders and cellphones use lossy data compression. There is no way to regain the frequencies that were lost as a result of that data compression.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: julsam on December 27, 2007, 10:11:03 AM
sad... :oops:
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: dorothegreat on February 08, 2008, 10:33:43 PM
sir kit, paano po ba pagrecord (guitar tracks pro) na yung guitar lamang po ang mare-record sa track? :?
kasi pag nagplay ako ng backing tracks ay nagsasama sila nung guitar ko sa track, sana po ay yung guitar lang at hindi kasama ung backing track,
salamat po :-D
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on February 08, 2008, 11:41:00 PM
sir kit, paano po ba pagrecord (guitar tracks pro) na yung guitar lamang po ang mare-record sa track? :?
If you are using a soundblaster or something similar, stop using "What-You-Hear". Open the soundcard mixer application and make sure you are adjusting recording volumes and not playback. Activate the "Line In" only; make sure the other faders are not active.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: dorothegreat on February 10, 2008, 09:56:15 AM
salamat po ulit sir kit
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: Fretduster on February 10, 2008, 12:06:57 PM
this might be a silly question for some of you but i dont exactly know what does lightpipe really do.just wondrin if i need this for my future home studio set up.im opting for a presonus firestudio firewire and do i need to get anything else aside from that im since im just starting out?last but not the least what would be the next addition that might further enhance and improve my recording?when it comes to some additional rack gear.thanks in advance po.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on February 10, 2008, 12:48:06 PM
this might be a silly question for some of you but i dont exactly know what does lightpipe really do.just wondrin if i need this for my future home studio set up.im opting for a presonus firestudio firewire and do i need to get anything else aside from that im since im just starting out?last but not the least what would be the next addition that might further enhance and improve my recording?when it comes to some additional rack gear.thanks in advance po.
Lightpipe is merely marketing speak for fiber optic cable. Fiber optics is used for digital transmission of audio using 2 protocols at this time: S/pdif and ADAT. There is another format but this is often used in consumer systems: DTS and Dolby surround formats. Lightpipe is only necessary if you have equipment that supports ADAT or s/dpif, like 8-preamp converters (Behringer ADA8000 for ex.) which connect to soundcard with ADAT ports. Same with s/pdif, although s/pdif also has an electrical (coax) equivalent.
Before investing in a lot of gear, invest in your room first. Getting great gear is useless if you don't have a good room to record in.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: Fretduster on February 10, 2008, 01:04:07 PM
thanks forthe enlightenmen sir kitc.been struggling to somehow finalize my set up since there's plenty of audio interfaces out there that offers numerous features and somehow made me totally confused on what would i really do need for a basic recording.maybe through experience and research ill be able to comprehend deeper and more complex approach into this field.
and with regards about the room i do happen to have an extra room that sizes up around 20 sq meters(approx.area).no acoustic treatment whatsoever but when i play my guitar(acoustic/with an amp) and music playbacks it actually sounds good.with a lil echo and and close to non reverberation of the walls.
would you recommend presonus firestudio sirkit?with all its features i think its not that bad for a start.8 inputs is a ++ since im planning to mic our drumset to make it more realistic/lively than just getting tracks from a drum software plugin.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on February 10, 2008, 02:09:56 PM
I haven't been reading good things about Presonus lately with regards to drivers and in some cases, build quality. You might want to consider the Focusrite Saffire Pro 10 I/O which also has 8 mic preamps, but no ADAT ports unfortunately (the Saffire Pro 26 has ADAT expandability). What exactly is your definition of 'basic recording'? I suggest determining how many inputs you will require and work around that. It's usually ok to start with 8 inputs for starters - let the equipment pay for itself first before moving on to other gear. One thing I really would spend on are good preamps and mics.
You mention echo in your room. In some cases, this is nice but if you cannot control the timing of the echo, it may not fit some of your recordings which have a different tempo. Worse, you may experience 'flutter' which is distracting for vocals to say the least. Then there is the even greater possibility that room modes will cause uneven frequency response. At least invest in some absorption and diffusion panels to help you control room reflections; this will minimize a 'boxy' sounding room. You can google around for DIY bass traps and other panels to lessen costs.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: Fretduster on February 10, 2008, 02:33:47 PM
hmm its odd bacause with all the reviews ive read lately were at least 75% good towards presonus especially with firestudio and fp10.or maybe they're all fished reviews.well i'll take it from the pro and give some research with focusrite saffire.and oh btw m audio project mix i/ is also in my mind but would that be too advance for me?i might get some fund for it a month from now so i guess i still have a month to decide.and btw with presonus firestudio its preamps arent good enough?
about echos,good point also sir kitc.im eye ing for some auralex and i forgot the other brand that offers way cheaper than auralex with the same effective solution.ive read something that stated it removes flutter echos so that mightbe the perfect thing for me.just need to experiment on how much of the wall should i cover with knowing that placing it inappropriately and excessive might somehow completely destroy my room's natural characteristic.i have a little to no knowledge at all about treating a room.way back in phils ive seen people used eggcrates and im not sure if that solution actually worked for them.maybe i should patch 2 (2x2's of wedgies) behind and opposite of the monitors?
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on February 10, 2008, 04:13:59 PM
Instead of magazine reviews, try to read more on user reviews; you will find more revealing traits about Presonus gear - since I'm primarily a Sonar user, the Sonar forums do mention these Presonus quirks a lot. This is not to say that all Presonus stuff are bad, but the Firestudio/Firepod has some idiosyncracies which can affect your productivity. The Firestudio preamps are good enough if you're worried about them, but if you get a chance to compare them to really good preamps, say something like a Grace Design Model 101, you'll know what I mean. I'm thinking that adding a very good clock might improve the Firestudio's converters substantially, but we're getting ahead of ourselves.
Eggcrates? Stay away from them.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: axebass26 on February 10, 2008, 11:10:13 PM
why are eggcrates inadvisable?
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: Fretduster on February 11, 2008, 12:06:17 AM
actually i've read those reviews from musician's friend/music 123 and zzounds.com but since im planning to use sonar well that made me think a lot lol.ive checked that saffire pro 26/adat that you've recommended and it looks promising with all those features.i just hope it works fine with whatever software im gonna use along the way.for now my idea is to get myself used to digital recording with a basic recording set up.i was actually a bit amazed when i first saw line6 kb37 but ive heard some bad stuff about it like white noise and stuff that made me backed off.ahhh comments will surely make you go back and forth with your decisions hehe.but its been a great help sir kit and i would definitely consider your recommendations and thanks for the time answering my noob questions :mrgreen:
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: progressive_pilipinas on February 11, 2008, 09:31:23 AM
HELLO! here i am again! :-)
ive got music creator2 and guitar tracks installed on my pc(i wish i could get a sonar pr installer).
When i made recordings, it was always without drumtracks, then a friend of mine, gave me this .exe's: Cakewalk sound instruments bass, strings and drums.
Question:
How do i use them? Because when i open the record program and open the .exe's the sound instruments wont sound? how do i use it?
i dont have any mixers, diretso ako sa line in ng pc(dunno if this matters)
Thanks guys!
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on February 12, 2008, 11:13:40 AM
then a friend of mine, gave me this .exe's: Cakewalk sound instruments bass, strings and drums.
Question:
How do i use them? Because when i open the record program and open the .exe's the sound instruments wont sound? how do i use it?
Gave, you say? Hmmmm...
Anyway, Guitar Tracks doesn't do midi (AFAIK it's a purely audio recording program) and Cake's Instruments are vst instruments which require midi in order to trigger, so... it's basically useless for you unless you have another midi capable sequencer like Sonar or Cubase.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: raki on February 13, 2008, 05:37:17 AM
Question lang po.. i'm not sure if this question belongs here or somewhere else, kasi general ang yopis to Recording.. but it seems like if i'll find any Sonar User dito 'yun or sa Cakewalk forums... pero hanapin ko na rin doon later while waiting for a reply dito..
...sa mga tracks sa Sonar, like one track pwedeng magkaron ng multiple clips (nangyayari pag nag copy and paste ako). so okay lang sana since isang track lang naman kaso medyo nakakairita na hindi ko alam kung pano sila i merge.. nakita ko lang using the Help Function is "Bounce to Clip" (yata?), tapos pag ginawa ko naman.. nawawala yung clip?!
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: xjepoyx on February 13, 2008, 06:30:05 AM
@raki
better wait for KitC's post. AFAIK He's the only Sonar Master here at philmusic.
;)
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: Fretduster on February 13, 2008, 12:05:05 PM
what would you guys recommend using?a bundled software included from audio interface you're going to buy or a retail version of software such as sonar 7,steinberg etc.?would it be confusing if you got settled first with bundled softwares and migrating to more advanced interface later on?new learning curb and familiarization of functions,controls and all that.
also I'm still confused with adat/spdif protocol funtionalities.most of the audio interfaces includes adat/spdif in/outs.i partially understood what kitc explained but its my silly mind that can't fully comprehend.thanks for your patience.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on February 13, 2008, 12:49:52 PM
@raki - Did you highlight all clips in the track? Are the clips muted in any way? IIRC, if you bounce a muted track, it generates a silent clip. It can be a bit difficult to post in the Cakewalk forums because they always expect you to "RTFM" on something like this... you might be suspected of using a "less than legal" copy of Sonar.
@Fretduster - usually, bundled software have upgrade paths that offer substantial discounts so this is the best way to "join the club", ika nga. Often, bundled software offer less track counts than full software but the functionality is the same. Don't worry much about adat and spdif if you don't use it much.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: Fretduster on February 16, 2008, 09:39:14 AM
I heard krk's rp series monitors arent magnetically shielded.does it neccesarily mean that its a bad thing that it might get some frequency interference with other nearby devices?or placement plays a big factor when setting it up in your home studio?events are good but more expensive.vsts are great but a bit pricey imo.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on February 16, 2008, 11:10:36 AM
I heard krk's rp series monitors arent magnetically shielded.does it neccesarily mean that its a bad thing that it might get some frequency interference with other nearby devices?
Nope.
Magnetic shielding was only included so you can position the monitors close to CRT monitors. Strong magnetic files cause image and color distortions in CRTs, in some cases magnetizing the CRT's color mask causing 'spots'. These spots can be removed by degaussing the CRT but continuous exposure to the fields can cause the color spots to become permanent. The advent of LCD monitors have made this shielding superfluous in most cases, although a lot of people still use CRTs. Moral of the story? Don't use CRTs near unshielded monitors and vice versa.
EDIT: I typed magnetic files... I meant fields. :oops:
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: progressive_pilipinas on February 16, 2008, 06:55:23 PM
Anyway, Guitar Tracks doesn't do midi (AFAIK it's a purely audio recording program) and Cake's Instruments are vst instruments which require midi in order to trigger, so... it's basically useless for you unless you have another midi capable sequencer like Sonar or Cubase.
yes KitC.. gave.. sorry. :lol:
thanks for the info.. ive got to get myself a sonar pro na talaga. thanks again. :-)
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on February 17, 2008, 04:24:24 AM
thanks for the info.. ive got to get myself a sonar pro na talaga. thanks again. :-)
As long as you do the right thing...
Sonar is great for midi... same for Cubase, but I suggest mastering one software first. I've been using Cakewalk since Pro Audio 4 so you can say I'm very comfortable with the Sonar environment. If you have any Q's, just ask.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: dorothegreat on February 18, 2008, 09:36:23 PM
sir kit, ask ko lang kung paano tanggalin ung humming/hissing sound pag ginamit ko ung amplitude2 bilang fx sa cakewalk guitar pro tracks? tnx
ginamit ko setting e ung post ni sir chito dun sa jam thread:
stomps: Overscream, delay amp: British Tube Lead 1 eq mod: British Tube Lead 1 cab: 4 x 12 Closed Modern 1 mic: Condenser 414
salamat po :-D
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on February 18, 2008, 09:51:03 PM
One method would be to use a noise gate, but this can sound unnatural if you don't know how to tweak it's settings. For one thing, you want a natural decay to the signal. Secondly, a noise gate doesn't eliminate the noise altogether since it is still there but is being masked by the louder guitar signal.
Another method is to edit the noise out algorithmically. Audacity has a noise removal capability; you load the wav and sample a portion where the guitar isn't playing but noise is present... the algorithm will generate a noise profile from that portion. Highlight the rest of the wave then apply the process; the noise should be 'filtered' out. Do the process in stages, do not apply 100% processing at once since this often introduces artifacts.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: dorothegreat on February 20, 2008, 06:15:22 PM
maraming salamat ulit sir Kit, try ko na idaan muna sa RAT ko, ok naman ung naging resulta, try ko po ung suggestion nyo. :-D
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: Fretduster on February 22, 2008, 07:48:07 PM
thanks a lot sir kit.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: progressive_pilipinas on February 27, 2008, 11:43:27 AM
Question question! hehe
Hey! why is it that when I began my recording at 120bpm the meter jumped to 140bpm after two bars? weird. i opened a new project and there was no problem.
and...
what does it mean when my cpu usage turns red and a warning appears? but after a few moments of not tinkering the computer it'd go back to low cpu usage again.. does it have anything to do with low memory?
it happens when i open my ezdrummer and begin copy and pasting tracks.
btw, im using sonar7, i began two days ago.
any response appreciated. thanks guys.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on February 27, 2008, 11:56:28 AM
Hey! why is it that when I began my recording at 120bpm the meter jumped to 140bpm after two bars? weird. i opened a new project and there was no problem.
Look in the tempo window. A tempo change has been inserted into the project.
what does it mean when my cpu usage turns red and a warning appears? but after a few moments of not tinkering the computer it'd go back to low cpu usage again.. does it have anything to do with low memory?
You might be using a plugin that imposes a heavy load on your pc while using very low latency settings; you might need to upgrade to a more powerful cpu or use a less cpu-hungry plugin. Also check that your hard disk isn't fragmented. Increasing ram will help with some processes, but not all. More ram usually helps with sample-based plugin instruments.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: progressive_pilipinas on February 27, 2008, 12:01:19 PM
Look in the tempo window. A tempo change has been inserted into the project.
You might be using a plugin that imposes a heavy load on your pc while using very low latency settings; you might need to upgrade to a more powerful cpu or use a less cpu-hungry plugin. Also check that your hard disk isn't fragmented. Increasing ram will help with some processes, but not all. More ram usually helps with sample-based plugin instruments.
oh! i get the tempo part.. i think i diddled the meter last night. I'll change my latency when i get home and maybe increase the ram. hmmm..
thanks KitC. i worship you. haha
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: drummerboy827 on March 17, 2008, 10:23:45 PM
There's like a million things i want to know about recording - like where to plug in the mics - what are the proper mics to use - the mixing devices - how to properly mix the product - how do some bands come up with wierd samples/sound effects (tool, incubus, and stuff)
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on March 17, 2008, 11:32:04 PM
There's like a million things i want to know about recording - like where to plug in the mics - a preamp - what are the proper mics to use - depends on the situation - the mixing devices - they're called mixers - how to properly mix the product - normally, we use our ears - how do some bands come up with wierd samples/sound effects (tool, incubus, and stuff) - imagination, nightmares... they usually have engineers and producers who come up with this stuff TIP: try getting to know about sampling and sound design
Take all these one step at a time and don't be afraid to crack open manuals and articles on mixing and recording. Try to get some time in a nearby studio, but don't go in there and pester the engineer with questions; be prepared with some theory and be quiet during tracking and mixing. Above all, use your ears, not your eyes, when mixing!
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: lynman3 on March 18, 2008, 10:27:19 PM
Mabuhay!!!
Nabasa ko itong thread na ito starting from 2006 at medyo pahapyaw at mabilis lang kaya may mga technical post na hindi ko na masyado inintindi dahil what Im looking is some association ng mga arranger dito sa Pilipinas.
Mukhang may nangyari naman at nag karoon ng isang meeting. COngrats sa nag organize. Wala ba uli kayo na isa pang gathering para maka attend naman ako at madagdagan ang kaalaman at the same time mag share din ng nalalaman sa pag areglo, at pag produce ng mga kanta.
Kit C ikaw pinaka active dito at very informative yung iyong mga answers mo sa mga padawan. Mabuhay ka!!!
Lynman
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on March 19, 2008, 12:38:15 AM
Thanks for the kind words, lynman3!
There are others aside from I who also share their knowledge and experience, and they also deserve our kudos (you know who YOU are). Rest assured that we will continue sharing whatever knowledge we can, while we can.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: sound formula on April 10, 2008, 08:32:21 PM
good day! i am bothered by pops from the monitor speakers that occur when we play the recorded tracks when we mix. it happens especially when we play the mix of songs with relatively more tracks (say, more than 20) and songs in which we use more plug-ins for. I recently added 1GB RAM because i thought this will solve the problem but unfortunately, it didn't. my present set-up is an Intel dual core processor 2.8GHz, 2GB RAM, 64MB Video Card. I use an M-Audio Delta 1010LT PCI Recording Interface and my software is Sony Vegas 6. It really bothers me when the pops occur. Could you please help me remedy this? Thank you.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: marvinq on April 11, 2008, 06:38:32 AM
that's probably because you're maxing out your computer's CPU horsepower. try increasing the buffer for your sound card -- it will introduce more latency, but the pops and clicks should be gone, assuming the audio was correctly recorded.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: skin on April 11, 2008, 08:05:07 PM
yung mga plugins ang pumatay sa pc mo...
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: kaloyster on April 12, 2008, 11:27:44 AM
I want to learn how to tweak MIDI drum plugins so they sound real.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: sound formula on April 12, 2008, 12:40:40 PM
thanks skin and mr. querido. mr. querido, pardon my ignorance but what do you mean by increasing my sound card's buffer and how do i do that? thanks so much.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: skin on April 14, 2008, 04:37:20 PM
I want to learn how to tweak MIDI drum plugins so they sound real.
buy toontrack's ezdrummer...
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: kaloyster on April 14, 2008, 07:47:14 PM
Yep skin, that's on my plan already. But for the meantime, I just want to know, hindi naman necessary na "bassy" ang drum track diba? and talagang backing track lang ito? Kasi nakasanayan kong napapakinggan sa rap songs na mas malakas ang drums, kaya medyo may pinagtatalunan kami ng bandmates ko pag drums na ang imini-mix.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: skin on April 14, 2008, 08:18:37 PM
Yep skin, that's on my plan already. But for the meantime, I just want to know, hindi naman necessary na "bassy" ang drum track diba? and talagang backing track lang ito? Kasi nakasanayan kong napapakinggan sa rap songs na mas malakas ang drums, kaya medyo may pinagtatalunan kami ng bandmates ko pag drums na ang imini-mix.
baka mawala ang balance pag nag-aaway kayo...siyempre kung guitarist ka gusto malakas ang guitar sa mix...para di kayo mag-away, let the professionals do it...
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on April 17, 2008, 06:49:59 PM
I want to learn how to tweak MIDI drum plugins so they sound real.
I guess the first rule of midi drums is that a drummer only has 4 limbs. Loosely translated, this equates to approximately 4 note polyphony, unless you happen to be Akira Jimbo, who can probably do twice that number or more! If you want midi drums to sound real, the first thing is to imitate what a drummer really does in real life, rarely producing more than 4 notes at any given time (unless you are Akira like I mentioned :-D ).
Next thing, not all notes are hit at the same velocity every single time. And hits don't always fall on the beat unless that is what you are going for. It's true that the best drummers have impeccable timing, but most usually inject very small timing variances to add 'groove'.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: kaloyster on April 18, 2008, 11:43:12 AM
Thanks sa tip Kit! Tanong ko na rin, nagamit mo na ba ang Ultrabeat plugin ng Logic Pro? Kasi meron sila dung "randomize velocity" so pa clinick yun, auto na nag iiba iba ang lakas ng palo ng hi-hat etc mimicking how a drummer play in real life.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on April 18, 2008, 04:14:03 PM
Thanks sa tip Kit! Tanong ko na rin, nagamit mo na ba ang Ultrabeat plugin ng Logic Pro? Kasi meron sila dung "randomize velocity" so pa clinick yun, auto na nag iiba iba ang lakas ng palo ng hi-hat etc mimicking how a drummer play in real life.
Not being a mac guy (yet), I haven't used ultrabeat, but it's similar to most drum plugins that have a randomize function. Go easy on randomize, though. It's terribly easy to make it sound like the drummer had too many drinks during the session (think lurch). Here's a small tip... usually during choruses, the tempo sometimes gets a bit faster to add excitement during that section.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: xid02 on May 07, 2008, 09:45:45 PM
ask lang po sirs/ma'ams
nu po yung mga basic home recodring tools na pwede gamitin...
as in simple lang... yung tipong guitar ang rerecord mo...
and ask na rin po for a drum machine software...
gusto ko kasi record mga guitar stuffs ko ngayon ko lang nagisip isip bakit indi ko kaya irecord...
wala talga ako idea about sa recording eh...
thanks in advance sa mga makakatulong... tsalamat!
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on June 27, 2008, 11:58:30 AM
Sorry if I haven't replied, xid02... been terribly busy lately.
Try reading up on the earlier posts and you will have an idea. Also go thru the "Setting Up Your PC for Recording" thread or surf over to the guides at tweakheadz.com.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: progressive_pilipinas on July 09, 2008, 11:37:39 PM
HELP!
My metronome wouldn't sound! what did i do?! I should sync when i begin to record, but there's no sound! NO SOUND! NO TICKKKK!! :-(
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on July 10, 2008, 08:49:28 AM
Hi kit... software is sonar 7...soundcard? STOCK?! vinyl wave something?
Go to Options>Project...>Metronome and use the audio metronome. You can also use midi if you have the Microsoft GS synth active in midi options. If the playback box isn't checked, you will only hear the metronome when you have a record enabled track.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: progressive_pilipinas on July 16, 2008, 12:53:04 AM
Go to Options>Project...>Metronome and use the audio metronome. You can also use midi if you have the Microsoft GS synth active in midi options. If the playback box isn't checked, you will only hear the metronome when you have a record enabled track.
alright! thank you so much!
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: konfront on July 25, 2008, 10:07:15 PM
a good place to start would be to actually go to a studio, record, edit, and mix. aint' nuthing like gettin your hands dirty figuring out signal low, miking strategies, reverb options. because we could talk about the finer points of tube vs solid state till our tongues grow hair but we won't get anywhere if we don't do the deed. so lets do it!
another route would be to send mixes via the net for critique. i wanna do it!
lets do this!
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: TheMasterExploder on August 16, 2008, 11:57:56 AM
may marerecommend ho ba kayong software for recording (simple riffs, not too showy vocs, etc) na idiot free??
talagang kamote ako sa pagrerecord, di ko inakalang komplikado pala.. lista ko lang yung nasubukan na, pero di kinaya ng pasensya..
audacity (idiot proof nga, pero ang kapalit naman crappy sound quality.) acid 4 fruity loop ableton live prop. head reason
dito kasi sa nahuling apat, sobrang daming buttons, yung manual lagpas 200 pages, di ko malaman kung alin pipindutin para lang magrecord..
i can send a short file na ginawa ko sa audacity..sa palagay ko nung una ko na sya, pero nung narinig ko yung mga ibang galing sa mas high tech na software nahiya ako, sobrang linis nung resulta..
a very curious and enthusiastic noob here.. eager to lean from the masters!! :-D
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: LouieAzcona on August 16, 2008, 02:19:00 PM
Gaano po ba katotoo na may effect ang software sa sound quality? Nakakapagtaka lang kasi puro DATA lang ang naman ng software diba.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: marvinq on August 18, 2008, 07:04:01 AM
there isn't much difference with regards to the way different makers of music software record, because a lot of it is hardware-dependent. what makes them sound different from each other (although very subtly) is their mix engine. of course their resampling routine is like a 'secret recipe' also. :-)
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: jamming_papu on November 01, 2008, 02:28:06 AM
hello MTPA people. :-D
i've got a question, i just bought a pre-amp and plan to use its digital SPDIF out to my m-audio souncard. hence, i'll be needing a digital coaxial cable, i'd tried looking in the net but i only found something in foreign webpages.
is there anyone here who knows where to buy/get good and working digital coaxial cables locally? are the expensive one's worth buying? how much does a good 2-3 meter RCA-RCA cable cost?
by the way, anyone here uses SPDIF signals in recording? share naman kayo ng experiences nyo. :-D
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: alien_inside on November 01, 2008, 06:58:11 PM
he he... ako gamit ko Belden RG-59. as long as coax, and it is 72 Ohms.. tsaka AUDIO OUT ko lang naman ginagamit for monitoring... inputs? i'm not sure.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: jamming_papu on November 03, 2008, 04:10:43 PM
ey bro. allen, belden cables... Avesco ang distributor ng Belden cables sa 'pinas. tanong ako sa kanila kung may available sila na nito. mga 1.5 m lang naman kailangan ko eh. pagawa na lang ako. thanks for the info. :-D
actually, napapagana ko naman yung pre-amp ko sa balanced 1/4" analogue out nya. malinaw naman sya but i observe some unclear parts sa stereo imaging. saka, sabi kasi mas malinaw daw yung signal pag yung SPDIF out yung ginamit.
btw, my pre-amp is Samson C-Valve. http://www.samsontech.com/products/productpage.cfm?prodID=1651
very good preamp. malinis saka kayang 'patabain' o gawing warmer yung signal. it doesn't have that pure tube sound though. :-D
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on November 04, 2008, 09:15:44 AM
by the way, anyone here uses SPDIF signals in recording? share naman kayo ng experiences nyo. :-D
We used to feed the spdif input of the 1010LT with spdif from an Alesis mixer... turned out pretty good. Limitations? up to 48 khz max sample rate. Some interfaces will allow up to 96 khz but those are rare.
72 ohms? AFAIK, the standard is 75 ohms, but if it works... The secret to spdif is keeping cables short - around 2-3 meters. Any longer and you run the risk of internal reflections thereby causing jitter (yes, even electrical cables can have 'reflections'), aside from EMI/RFI, even with good shielding. Spdif is less tolerant of interference. I use both optical and coax and I sometimes find optical to be a tad more difficult, especially if you use cheap optical cables, but optical is better if you have an electrically 'noisy' environment or cable routing.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: jamming_papu on November 04, 2008, 02:26:12 PM
thanks sir kit. :-D
i'll keep those things in mind. 1m could even be enough in my case. both of my preamp and soundcard, according to their features are capabale of 96 khz sampling rate. i'll try it but i think my pc hardware couldn't keep up with those kind of settings. i'll just get my coaxial cable first and see how things would come up. hopefully, better input sound signals than using analog ins. :-D
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on November 04, 2008, 03:21:11 PM
i'll just get my coaxial cable first and see how things would come up. hopefully, better input sound signals than using analog ins. :-D
Not always the case.
Remember that having digital inputs do not guarantee a better signal path especially if the device outputting the spdif signal is noisy to begin with, has noisy preamps, or even a jittery A/D converter. One benefit you will get from using spdif is that electrical interference such as hum becomes a non-issue between the device outputting the spdif signal and the device receiving the spdif, as long as the A/D is free from noise or has a very low noise floor.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: junya on December 17, 2008, 10:45:56 PM
i give you a 2 thumbs up for this . Although I have a hands-on myself of some recording hardware I am still in the process of mastering it. eg. Samplitude 7. and things are in my head like a crumpled wires. I just laugh about it.hahahahahah when there is trouble..... share it to others and you'll get the answer.
junya
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: jamming_papu on January 09, 2009, 02:51:23 AM
Sir Kit, tanong lang po. makaka-experience po ba ako ng signal lost if a balanced out of a preamp was splitted to 2 separate signals that has been plugged to an input which is L and R/stereo? :?
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on January 09, 2009, 08:15:04 AM
Sir Kit, tanong lang po. makaka-experience po ba ako ng signal lost if a balanced out of a preamp was splitted to 2 separate signals that has been plugged to an input which is L and R/stereo? :?
A single balanced out is actually a MONO signal. The signals on pins 2 and 3 are actually PHASE REVERSED. If you were to 'split' the two signals and combine them into a stereo track, you would get complete phase cancellation of the signal. This is the reason why I emphatically tell others that just because a balanced cable from a balanced output may remind you of a headphone cable, it is not, I repeat, IS NOT, stereo.
You CAN use a balanced TRS cable as an extender for headphone outputs or some other use involving stereo outputs to stereo inputs... a cable is a cable. Outputs, OTOH, are either mono or stereo (or even multichannel in the case of ADAT optical) and no amount of fudging with a balanced mono output will ever turn it into a stereo signal, unless phase cancellation is what you're after.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: jamming_papu on January 09, 2009, 11:35:09 PM
i get it. clearly and systematically. it's quite a not-good practice since the resulting phase cancellation would create reduction in the overall signal / altered frequencies which eventually make an unpleasant result in the track.
lotsa thanks po uli. :-D
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: junya on February 02, 2009, 09:12:03 PM
i used to have samplitude and made some mixing here and there but still i don't know how to manage ctrl XX commands. like what to do in case I am in a situation my cursor changes., or what ctrl XX command (if there is any) are you going to use if you want to change/correct pitches.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on February 03, 2009, 10:49:24 AM
Not much of a Samplitude user here, I'm afraid. Been using Sonar's V-Vocal for most of my pitch and time correction lately. Still waiting for Melodyne's DNA. :wink:
Vince! Care to lend a hand?
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: x_taxi on February 04, 2009, 11:01:50 PM
i used to have samplitude and made some mixing here and there but still i don't know how to manage ctrl XX commands. like what to do in case I am in a situation my cursor changes., or what ctrl XX command (if there is any) are you going to use if you want to change/correct pitches.
samp 10 user here. you just gotta get used to the mouse modes. kinda bit of a steep-ish learnin curve though.
whaddya mean pitch changes? sa midi ba or elastic audio? i have no experience with samp 7 though, i started on samp 9. lotsa helpful people over at the official samplitude forum.
:-) :-) :-)
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: x_taxi on February 04, 2009, 11:11:53 PM
Not much of a Samplitude user here, I'm afraid. Been using Sonar's V-Vocal for most of my pitch and time correction lately. Still waiting for Melodyne's DNA. :wink:
Vince! Care to lend a hand?
melodyne's sweet! those things are outta my budget though. then again, i rarely do pitch correction stuff.
@junya - nice to have a fellow samp user in this here parts. i feel like i'm all alone. haha.
:-) :-) :-)
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on February 05, 2009, 08:18:25 AM
samp 10 user here. you just gotta get used to the mouse modes.
I sometimes feel there are more commands when right clicking than even in the menu bar. I have Samp 8SE and I really find the mixer to be very powerful, although I got put off when they somewhat crippled the SE version.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on February 05, 2009, 08:18:36 AM
samp 10 user here. you just gotta get used to the mouse modes.
I sometimes feel there are more commands when right clicking than even in the menu bar. I have Samp 8SE and I really find the mixer to be very powerful, although I got put off when they somewhat crippled the SE version.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: x_taxi on February 05, 2009, 10:20:29 AM
I sometimes feel there are more commands when right clicking than even in the menu bar. I have Samp 8SE and I really find the mixer to be very powerful, although I got put off when they somewhat crippled the SE version.
comin from fl studio, then reason, to cubase vst, which was my first proper sequencer, samp did seem wholly un-intuitive - which i guess put off a lot of people as well. i started on samp 9 se, which was pretty great except for the lack of the essential plugins in the full version. i tried logic 6 also, but it was worse intuitively for me.
then when i got my multicore, i switched to the full version. still did most of my scores with reason and fl studio while i was learnin the ways of the samp - well at least til i got the hang of it, i.e. less gropin around, more work done. it's a very stable sequencer, and i swear by it with the unrealistic deadlines i deal with.
:-) :-) :-)
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: thowlights on February 13, 2009, 08:47:46 AM
noob question lng po mga sirs....
im using audacity as recording software for basic home recording... im using line6 ux1 & gearbox software for mic & instrument.. when im doing some multitracking..i notice po na may echo or magkakaroon ng repeatition in vocals or instrument..which makes it difficult na sabayan ang first track..ano po kaya maipapayo ninyo?tnx in advance :-D
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: juanberto on May 17, 2009, 10:09:54 PM
mastering.. hehe
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on May 19, 2009, 12:21:41 PM
@thowlights - turn off software monitoring.
@juanberto - one must learn to crawl first before one can walk... learn how to mix well first before delving into mastering. One cannot create a good master if the mix itself is bad.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: alien_inside on May 21, 2009, 03:52:14 AM
Tsaka habang nagmimix ka, dapat naiimagine mo na how you will master... Mixing is paid on per hour basis. Mastering is PER SONG...
not necessarily.. mastering can be charged in an hourly basis also if the mix is bad...
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: wilfredo.eclipse on August 05, 2009, 08:50:00 PM
may i ask a question? gusto ko lang sana malaman kung ano yung sinasalpak sa desktop pc yung parang small cable? "input: electric guitar, output: desktop computer". Saan naman po makakabili and magkano po? salamat. :-D
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: alien_inside on August 09, 2009, 01:27:32 AM
Guys, we can take up mastering and rates in another thread.
Next question, please.
i've been wrestling with this problem ever since:
what will i do to get rid of that stubborn MIDI CLICK? any CC or NOTE command sent to my modules ( through 9-pin serial port ) produces a CLICK...
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: ceL on August 29, 2009, 02:22:17 AM
sir boss KitC, pano po kayo nagrerecord? Ung way nyo po... step by step.. from ways how to record instruments - what kind of mixer - software you're using - how you mix, thing to know how we can make a good result.. parang flow po ng recording nyo at anong gamit.. pwde po ung kayang intindihin ng walang background sa recording.. kapag nasagot nyo po yan, sa inyo na lng kaluluwa ko... Thanks! :-D :-D :-D
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: turiguiliano on September 02, 2009, 10:19:46 PM
Finally got to use my Pre Sonus Inspire GT 1394. It's a bit FW card sensitive. The FW card has to have either a Texas Instrument chip set or VIA. Using Cubase SX3 software. Tutorials c/o Los of Up Dharma Down.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on September 03, 2009, 02:23:50 PM
sir boss KitC, pano po kayo nagrerecord? Ung way nyo po... step by step.. from ways how to record instruments - what kind of mixer - software you're using - how you mix, thing to know how we can make a good result.. parang flow po ng recording nyo at anong gamit.. pwde po ung kayang intindihin ng walang background sa recording.. kapag nasagot nyo po yan, sa inyo na lng kaluluwa ko... Thanks! :-D :-D :-D
You have to understand that my personal studio is primarily based on sequencers; i.e., most of my sounds come from softsynths. That way, my recording process is merely rendering the various synths audio into specific tracks which I EQ and compress accordingly, entirely in the digital domain. It also helps that I have a soundcard (Emu) and monitoring system (AKG headphones and Fostex monitors) whose sound I trust completely. About the only time I will record externally is when I fly in vocals or the occasional guitar track into my software (presently Sonar 8 Professional), and then I also do mixing in the box. I also own Cubase, but have since migrated fully to Sonar since it became 64-bit.
Since my soundcard is capable of 8 analog inputs, I don't use a mixer. But where I work (Carmel House), we do use several good preamps (mostly Neve) which we use to fly in audio into our Pro Tools setup. Needless to say, we are capable of around 56 input channels, and have mixed more than 100 tracks at a time with the PT system.
For software, use the one you are comfortable with. I leaned early on towards Sonar because it's midi capabilities were what I seemed to be more comfortable with since Cubase's midi did not behave the way I wanted it to, although I found Cubase to be better at handling audio (this was during my Sonar 4/Cubase SL2 years). Some of my colleagues (Marvin Q, for. ex.) happily use Cubase (5) and Logic (9) with equal proficiency, but find Sonar to be quite garish visually.
Recording flow depends on how you work, but when recording a band, I normally like to get the lows sounding well first, and that means the kick and the bass. On other occasions, I will work on getting the vocals perfect first, then "design" the rest of the instruments around that - it is important that whatever is taking the lead in a song, whether vocals or an instrument, be the one to have the best sonic space, with the rest of the instruments supporting it.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: ceL on September 07, 2009, 10:01:06 AM
Maraming salamat po sa pag share ng knowledge! Isa po kayong alamat... :-)
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: marvinq on September 10, 2009, 07:35:33 AM
...Some of my colleagues (Marvin Q, for. ex.) happily use Cubase (5) and Logic (9) with equal proficiency, but find Sonar to be quite garish visually.
...it is important that whatever is taking the lead in a song, whether vocals or an instrument, be the one to have the best sonic space, with the rest of the instruments supporting it.
Hahaha. I can't believe I only saw this now. :-)
Arrangement-wise or mixing-wise, I try my best not to take away the focus that which deserves it at that particular moment, whether it's a string line, a drum fill, or the lead vocal (of course, for the most part).
hehe... it's been awhile since you've been to this playground.
Enjoy!
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: soundslikebryan on September 26, 2009, 05:29:14 PM
Patulong lang mga bossing.
Magre-record kami ng acoustic tracks, kaya lang in the past, medyo dull and dry yung acoustic guitar track na na-record namin.
We use a direct connection to the PC tapos we use a condenser mic as well which connects to the PC both connects to the PC using Line 6 POD XT.
Nagtataka lang kami kasi hindi pa din ganun ka-sharp yung tunog.
Any suggestions?
Thanks
Also, any quick tips on recording drum tracks? (specifically how to mic the kits)
Thanks ulit.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on September 30, 2009, 09:21:49 AM
Bryan,
The thing about acoustic guitar is that it often needs room to breath. Aside from close miking techniques, we sometimes put up an ambience mic some distance away. For close miking, sometimes a stereo setup is desired; start with a mic at the 12th fret and another near the bridge about 6" away, then move them around until you find the sweet spot. This is how you get a balance of clarity and body. If these 2 mics capture what you want, sometimes an ambient mic isn't necessary. The direct connection often isn't the best since it is dependent on the quality of the piezo pickups - maybe passing this through a Fishman will help.
Drum miking? I've heard wonders done with 2 mic setups. The only thing to know is to use a really good pair of headphones with very good isolation characteristics, then position the mics (while listening through the cans) where it captures the essence of the drums. Sometimes, all it takes is a kick mic and 2 overheads once you position the mics carefully.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: marvinq on September 30, 2009, 12:01:53 PM
Take it from KitC. He's the Ernie Baron of the musicians. But once you get to know him, you'll find out he's just your regular everyday genius. :-)
The Fishman Aura is a little pricey, but it really does wonders. And you need to use one that's matched for the guitar you're using. :-)
Also, a great sounding room always helps in getting a good guitar sound. And drum sound, for that matter.
Drum miking? Most Motown records were recorded (as far as I know) with one overhead mic and another one for the bass drum. 2 overheads and 1 kick drum mic? I actually love that sound. Just make sure you don't put the overheads too close to the cymbals or your drum tracks are going to be cymbal-heavy, expecially if you don't have mics for the individual drums.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: soundslikebryan on October 02, 2009, 12:09:30 AM
Thanks bossing. Will try this over the weekend. Would a dynamic mic work as an ambient mic? We only have 1 condenser. Its pretty expensive, but we do have a couple of great shure mics and the condenser we're using is a Rode NT1000. I'll check out the fishman too.
We do have 4 drum mics. Using them for the tom toms and snare. 1 overhead for the hi-hat and ride and 1 for the crash. The thing is we were also using a china and a splash, which we would love to have a separate track, but its just hard to do so.
We're only recording in my friends garage. The acoustics there is pretty decent. I suggested we record the vocals and the acoustic guitar in the bathroom.
Another question (nagsamantala na). A friend of mine suggested for me to get a vocal Pre-amp. Do you think its necessary? We use Adobe Audition to record, and Gearbox helps in adding echo, balance and reverb for vocals.
Thanks a lot!!!
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on October 02, 2009, 11:40:36 AM
The Fishman Aura can be a bit pricey, but it really is great especially in a live gig.
We do have 4 drum mics. Using them for the tom toms and snare. 1 overhead for the hi-hat and ride and 1 for the crash. The thing is we were also using a china and a splash, which we would love to have a separate track, but its just hard to do so.
Mic the drums as if you were treating it like a single instrument. Experiment with mic and cymbal placement so that the kit becomes a cohesive whole instead of trying to capture one instrument at a time.
Another question (nagsamantala na). A friend of mine suggested for me to get a vocal Pre-amp. Do you think its necessary? We use Adobe Audition to record, and Gearbox helps in adding echo, balance and reverb for vocals.
Depends on what you need. Personally, I feel getting a mic which complements the vocals is initially more important; getting a great preamp will only make it shine more. See if you can audition different mics for your singer. Sometimes it doesn't have to be top of the line, just use your ears. Butch Vig of Garbage once found a defective vintage RCA mic in a bargain bin that would have been crappy for anyone else, but with Shirley Manson, her voice just bloomed.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: carl20 on October 06, 2009, 01:38:04 PM
why is it sir that drum sound from western and european recordings are much fatter, warmer sounding than here.
I've been comparing audio's of foreign artists against some better sounding recordings here, they do really have big difference.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on October 06, 2009, 09:05:13 PM
It's a combination of a lot of things... good mics, good preamps, judicious use of compression and a whole lot of experience.
We can't beat them at their own game since they're so far ahead of the curve. I think it's about time we made our path. Truth be told, foreign recordings are weaning away from that over compressed, 'big' sound and heading back into more rational levels.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: carl20 on October 07, 2009, 12:59:20 PM
thanks for the reply sir,
our band are gearing up for recording coming this november at tracks studios, under monty macalino.. any tips sir...
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: mikep on October 07, 2009, 03:38:12 PM
Practice ahead of time. Rehearse your pieces well. Make sure you know what you are suppose to do during recording. Tell the engineer what sound you have in your head. Make him listen to examples. If other members of the band do not have anything to do with the recording or tracking being done, ask them to step out of the control booth. The fewer people, the better, the faster things can happen.
BTW, foriegn drums fatter? Songs sound better compared to local recordings? As KitC said, a lot of things. But let me just add, they - producer, artists and engineer know what and how the song is suppose to sound. Emphasis on know.
Enjoy your recording.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: carl20 on October 07, 2009, 04:41:43 PM
thank you sir mikep for the tip sir, this will be very helpful for us in achieving what sound we really like.. :)
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: carl20 on October 08, 2009, 08:01:37 AM
one thing I always observed when watching the behind the scenes of some foreign artist recording, is that they always use huge room for drum tracking and lots of microphone for ambient why can't we do this here?
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on October 08, 2009, 08:54:44 AM
Simple... large rooms cost money.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: carl20 on October 08, 2009, 10:17:18 AM
oh,... hmmmm,... soundcreation by sir shinji and blue lights studios quite have a very good roomy space. But is it really advisable that natural reverb of the room is the best way unlike using a plugin ambient rooms.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on October 08, 2009, 11:23:17 AM
Well, the bottom line is that a particular space has to be set aside and designed that way if you want it to sound good. Shinji's main room in particular has a 30 ft high ceiling, which I believe was part of his specification and design when he had his house constructed. Most other studios who move into an existing space don't have that luxury and have to deal with the acoustic anomalies that arise from those spaces. Among the worst things you can do is put a studio inside a cube (eh, mikep?).
Other studios are lucky. Abbey Road is a good example of having a good sounding room which they moved into. But to purpose build a studio, specifically with high ceilings, like I said earlier, will cost money.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: carl20 on October 08, 2009, 11:34:05 AM
hehehe I was thinking kasi of putting it up in an old warehouse or somewhat like that space my gears din, just want to experiment..
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: bellhaus on October 10, 2009, 01:38:08 PM
pasali hehehe! someone once said to me that audio recording is like photography! go get a great lens (mics), camera (interface) lighting (cable) & a model (artist)
just want to share too!
nonie m.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: marvinq on October 10, 2009, 06:03:53 PM
one thing I always observed when watching the behind the scenes of some foreign artist recording, is that they always use huge room for drum tracking and lots of microphone for ambient why can't we do this here?
Not every type of music can be helped by a large room and lots of mics. There are workarounds. You just need to know the sound you want, and how to get that sound. The equipment isn't quite as important as knowing how to use it. In fact, most of the time, the limitations force the artist to think outside the box. Sometimes it's better to concentrate your efforts on making the song better, making the performance better, instead of figuring out which mic or which of your hi-end preamps to use, or whether to track with compression or not, and if so, which compressor, blah, blah. I'd take a great performance on cheap equipment any day over a so-so performance on hi-end equipment. Remember how mikep adviced on rehearsing your material well. That's advice that can't be underestimated.
pasali hehehe! someone once said to me that audio recording is like photography! go get a great lens (mics), camera (interface) lighting (cable) & a model (artist)
just want to share too!
nonie m.
Good equipment helps, of course. Here's the thing about hi-end stuff. Whether it's music or photography, hi-end equipment elevates people's expectations of your output. Fumble on great equipment, and you appear a bigger idiot.
oh,... hmmmm,... soundcreation by sir shinji and blue lights studios quite have a very good roomy space. But is it really advisable that natural reverb of the room is the best way unlike using a plugin ambient rooms.
Only if you can tell the difference (of course you can tell in an A/B situation, but when you listen to a radio, can you tell which songs used a live room, and which ones used a plug-in?), and if you can tell that the difference actually resulted in superior audio.
Let me advice everybody against using something only because it's there. Sometimes better sound can come from cheaper equipment. SSL's will always have better distortion and noise figures than Behringers, but who's to say that Behringer's distortion characteristics won't help your sound? My favorite cymbal in my studio was a 600 peso unbranded cymbal I got from Raon. And KitC knows how many cymbals I have. Honestly, I've lost count. :-)
I guess what I'm trying to say is... use your ears. Your eyes will always tell you that the more expensive equipment will always be better. Your ears might hear differently.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: carl20 on October 13, 2009, 07:09:29 AM
well said sir marvinq,.. I'll take note of these,.. thank you! :)
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: alvincflorentino on October 16, 2009, 12:42:01 AM
Hi. Noobie here. Don't even know if this is the right place to ask this but here it goes anyway.
Just wanna know what's the difference between an electret condenser mic and the run-of-the-mill condenser mic we all know and love? Does it use 48v phantom power too? Does it need a preamp? Which applications would be best for the electret? Would it be better than a "normal" condenser for certain applications?
Thanks!
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: marvinq on October 16, 2009, 04:29:01 AM
KitC, the Ernie Baron of Philmusic, you're needed here!
I think he owns Wiki. Or Google. Oh, correction. He IS Google. Or would that be somebody else? Haha. :-)
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: alien_inside on October 16, 2009, 05:58:08 AM
Just wanna know what's the difference between an electret condenser mic and the run-of-the-mill condenser mic we all know and love?
Electrets have permanently charged backplates, hence do not require power to charge the diaphragm elements in order to produce the necessary capacitance which induces voltage variations when sound affects the diaphragm (whew! citation needed).
Normally no. Often, electrets will have a battery compartment in order to drive the FET buffer and a small preamp in the mic body; and often, a maximum of 9 volts is all that is required. I believe there are a few electrets that use phantom power to drive the internal preamp, but these are uncommon.
Which applications would be best for the electret? Would it be better than a "normal" condenser for certain applications?
It depends. Most electrets are usually small diaphragm condensers, and often have omni patterns making them quite sensitive. These are usually found in measurement equipment such as RTAs, SPL meters, and other acoustic analyzers. Still, you could use omnis in a variety of applications from drum ambience miking to orchestral recordings (some SDC instrument mics use electrets). Their omni patterns mean that they will capture a lot of ambient noise too, so be forewarned.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: mikep on October 16, 2009, 05:14:53 PM
Just wanna know what's the difference between an electret condenser mic and the run-of-the-mill condenser mic we all know and love? Does it use 48v phantom power too? Does it need a preamp? Which applications would be best for the electret? Would it be better than a "normal" condenser for certain applications?
Electret condenser are less expensive compared to the condensers. KitC has explained the differences well, but let me just add that mics that costs thousands of dollars used in studios - those that have labels such as Neumann, AKG, Schoeps and others are all condensers that require 48V. Applications for any type of mic will depend primarily on our creative imaginations. But if we want crisp, clear and really pro sounding vocals (even for acoustic instruments), condenser mics are the way to go. And as is true also in this business, you get what you pay for - cheapo mics will give you cheapo sound (although not always).
FWIW
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: alvincflorentino on October 16, 2009, 10:40:11 PM
Thanks guys! I knew I could count on KitC and mikep for some in-depth analysis.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: marvinq on October 17, 2009, 12:33:33 AM
Satisfying explanations from your everyday genius, and the man that packs a wallop. Haha. :-)
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: jamming_papu on October 17, 2009, 02:07:43 AM
hail to our Music Tech masters Sir KitC and mikep. :lol: :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: jed4sale on November 06, 2009, 06:52:08 PM
mga sir may tanong po ako sa mixing/mastering.
ano po ba gagawin para yung vocals hindi parang hiwalay yung tunog niya sa banda? tapos ano po ba dapat volume level ng vocals relative to the band? kasi parang nagsstick-out yung vocals e.
second question po. yung rythm at lead na gitara, dapat po ba sa magkahiwalay sila na channel lumalabas? or dapat po ba mostly sa right kunyari yung rythm (pero may onti sa left) tapos sa lead mostly sa left (na may onti sa right)?
last, bago ba i export, ano pede gawin para magdikit lahat ng tunog? ok naman na sha, pero kasi may sinasabi yung iba na may gagawin ka pa para parang pag naging mp3 na sha wav or something dikit yung tunog maliban sa ginawa mo sa mastering.
salamat po, sana matulungan niyo kami.
if it helps, pop-punk po genre namin tas yung mga kanta namin na inedit ko (na kasalukuyan pading may mga problema mentioned above) nakapost po sa myspace account namin. www.myspace.com/quickletsgo
thanks, help us! :?
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: new_guitarist on November 30, 2009, 03:54:15 AM
how to mix and master!
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: samuelfianza on December 17, 2009, 11:10:36 PM
Front/Back Panning. How? I'm using sony acid pro 7.0
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on December 18, 2009, 08:25:03 AM
Front/Back Panning. How? I'm using sony acid pro 7.0
Panning is only left and right.
As for front/back positioning, that is achieved via volume, some reverb, early reflection, and very judicious eq (some reverb plugs have all of these). Think about it... what does something sound like when it's in the background? Probably a bit muted, more reverb, and not so loud, bright and bassy, di ba? It doesn't matter if you're using acid, reaper, sonar or cubase, the principles are all the same.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on December 18, 2009, 08:39:16 AM
Sorry if it took this long to answer your query... it's been a busy month.
Your question is best answered if you try enrolling in this 'school':
http://bruceamiller.us/bamaudioschool/index.html
Don't worry. It's free.
@new_guitarist - learn to mix first. The rule of thumb should be: mix a song so that it sounds like a master. Mastering is a different topic altogether because it involves integrating several different songs into an album so that it sounds like an integrated whole.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: samuelfianza on December 28, 2009, 09:03:45 PM
As for front/back positioning, that is achieved via volume, some reverb, early reflection, and very judicious eq (some reverb plugs have all of these). Think about it... what does something sound like when it's in the background? Probably a bit muted, more reverb, and not so loud, bright and bassy, di ba? It doesn't matter if you're using acid, reaper, sonar or cubase, the principles are all the same.
Is a front positioned sound louder than a back positioned sound? I want some parts of our song to sound like circulating around the head. What's the difference actually of a Front position and Back Position?
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on December 29, 2009, 09:11:59 AM
I want some parts of our song to sound like circulating around the head.
Some autopan effects have this capability. The problem is that simulation of front and back positioning introduces phasing which can cause problems when summing to mono.
What's the difference actually of a Front position and Back Position?
Perceived nearness to the listener's position. In stereo, it's what you think as being near to your position whereas the 'back' is defined being the backstage, not to YOUR back. Don't confuse stereo listening to 5.1 surround, which is a whole different way of mixing. There are ways to project sound, usually via Dolby Surround, to your back when using stereo monitors, but like I said earlier, this introduces phase issues which can affect mono compatibility of your mixes. Normally, when some dvd albums have 5.1 mixes, they also have a stereo only mix for playback on stereo only systems.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: samuelfianza on December 29, 2009, 10:30:31 AM
Thanks Sir.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: samuelfianza on January 06, 2010, 04:36:41 PM
ayun alam ko na. may option pala sa acid kung stereo or surround.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: samuelfianza on January 11, 2010, 03:44:29 PM
Sir ano po ang requirements para makapag-apply as Recording Engineer sa isang Studio?
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on January 11, 2010, 04:10:07 PM
Sir ano po ang requirements para makapag-apply as Recording Engineer sa isang Studio?
Very good ears. And very good connections.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: mikep on January 12, 2010, 03:49:00 PM
It also helps if you have some technical knowledge, especially in electronics; a keen attention to detail; very creative and has some musical knowledge. It will be good if you play an instrument and consider music and recording your passion.
FWIW
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: samuelfianza on January 13, 2010, 04:43:22 PM
Noobie question: Anong pagkakaiba ng GAIN sa VOLUME? bakit yung ibang amplifier walang volume knob pero gain meron, tapos meron ding present yung Gain at Volume knob?
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on January 20, 2010, 11:06:55 AM
Noobie question: Anong pagkakaiba ng GAIN sa VOLUME? bakit yung ibang amplifier walang volume knob pero gain meron, tapos meron ding present yung Gain at Volume knob?
Best to think of gain as how much signal is going in the input, while volume is more on outputs.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: progressive_pilipinas on January 23, 2010, 04:24:05 AM
hello! im back and i have a question. :lol:
Ive read somewhere that instruments/tracks should have their own frequencies and not bleed over each other. I have tried to achieve this by panning or distributing each instrument in a simulated 3d sorround, but i guess im just doing things wrong. My mixes sound very very muddy. Though i guess i lessen it by panning. Ive done amateur recording for almost a year now and this is one that i couldnt learn on my own, I tried searching the web how to do this but all i get are general tips. Could anyone tell me how i could learn to make sure that each instrument is in its own frequency?, or if not how can i fix it?
Also, is there anyway i can fix a clip in a vocal track? I cant seem to fix it by compression.
Here's a sample of my AMATEUR mix. If its possible please TELL me the ALL the things that are wrong with it. :-D i need it:
Ive read somewhere that instruments/tracks should have their own frequencies and not bleed over each other. I have tried to achieve this by panning or distributing each instrument in a simulated 3d sorround, but i guess im just doing things wrong. My mixes sound very very muddy. Though i guess i lessen it by panning. Ive done amateur recording for almost a year now and this is one that i couldnt learn on my own, I tried searching the web how to do this but all i get are general tips. Could anyone tell me how i could learn to make sure that each instrument is in its own frequency?, or if not how can i fix it?
Also, is there anyway i can fix a clip in a vocal track? I cant seem to fix it by compression.
Here's a sample of my AMATEUR mix. If its possible please TELL me the ALL the things that are wrong with it. :-D i need it:
i am away from my studio so all i have are my laptop speakers but this is what I can gather from the clip:
-vocals has a lot of gain, maybe too much. sounds like the gain on the pre is too high or the gain is low but the vocalist is really close to the mic. an overdriven sound may be used to great effect but the vox for this one is a bit too grainy, sits too far up front and would benefit from taking the edge off its top end. -the clip has a nice grungy garage vibe but the excess sound from the amp and vox could use some cleaning up.
panning can't make a set of tracks sit in the mix all by itself, you have to apply to EQ each instrument so you accentuate what inherent frequency a given instrument is particularly good at representing. ie. if you have a bass guitar in the mix, don't crank up the bass on the guitar or give the drum buss an overwhelming bass boost - cut it some to leave room for the bass so it can cut through all the other instruments better. when you pan without applying EQ, you are merely shifting an instrument's "place" rather than molding its sound to complement the sound of the rest of the instruments being played. all that said, EQing should be used sparingly - a good recording isn't judged by how much one has to apply EQ to massage tracks to sit well; if you put in the work to record well in the first place, you shouldn't have to put in too much work to nudge instruments to sound well as a coherent mix. the reason why you primarily get general tips online is because a specific set of frequency adjustments isn't set for ALL guitars, ALL basses or ALL vocalists...all require a bit of analysis to determine what you are getting too much (or too little) and what you need to do to make it more balanced. for instance, I were to tell you to apply a high pass filter to a vocalist who happens to be a tenor or a baritone, you'd be doing the wrong thing because the guy'd end up sounding like he had his cajones lopped off; you want to do the right thing for a given track which in this case is to naturally represent the tone, pitch and bass of the vocalist.
telling you what is wrong with a track, IMO, isn't the most efficient way to tackle recording methodology to improve it. you'd have to go back earlier and analyze how you recorded your instruments, what settings you used, how you arranged the mics, how your vocalist sang and whether they used proper mic technique. putting in the work there cuts down on having to fix so many things when you sit down to mix a track because you end up producing cleaner, better recordings to work with afterwards.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: progressive_pilipinas on January 23, 2010, 08:01:26 AM
i am away from my studio so all i have are my laptop speakers but this is what I can gather from the clip:
-vocals has a lot of gain, maybe too much. sounds like the gain on the pre is too high or the gain is low but the vocalist is really close to the mic. an overdriven sound may be used to great effect but the vox for this one is a bit too grainy, sits too far up front and would benefit from taking the edge off its top end. -the clip has a nice grungy garage vibe but the excess sound from the amp and vox could use some cleaning up.
panning can't make a set of tracks sit in the mix all by itself, you have to apply to EQ each instrument so you accentuate what inherent frequency a given instrument is particularly good at representing. ie. if you have a bass guitar in the mix, don't crank up the bass on the guitar or give the drum buss an overwhelming bass boost - cut it some to leave room for the bass so it can cut through all the other instruments better. when you pan without applying EQ, you are merely shifting an instrument's "place" rather than molding its sound to complement the sound of the rest of the instruments being played. all that said, EQing should be used sparingly - a good recording isn't judged by how much one has to apply EQ to massage tracks to sit well; if you put in the work to record well in the first place, you shouldn't have to put in too much work to nudge instruments to sound well as a coherent mix. the reason why you primarily get general tips online is because a specific set of frequency adjustments isn't set for ALL guitars, ALL basses or ALL vocalists...all require a bit of analysis to determine what you are getting too much (or too little) and what you need to do to make it more balanced. for instance, I were to tell you to apply a high pass filter to a vocalist who happens to be a tenor or a baritone, you'd be doing the wrong thing because the guy'd end up sounding like he had his cajones lopped off; you want to do the right thing for a given track which in this case is to naturally represent the tone, pitch and bass of the vocalist.
telling you what is wrong with a track, IMO, isn't the most efficient way to tackle recording methodology to improve it. you'd have to go back earlier and analyze how you recorded your instruments, what settings you used, how you arranged the mics, how your vocalist sang and whether they used proper mic technique. putting in the work there cuts down on having to fix so many things when you sit down to mix a track because you end up producing cleaner, better recordings to work with afterwards.
thank you for the response. :-) i see. I really need to learn how to EQ well then. any tips? :lol:
with the song above, here are the GADGETS that i have used: a headset microphone, thus the nasally sound and the sudden clips at the track. As for the guitar, mine went directly into my laptop and i used guitar rig for its effects.
Im still getting confused though on how i could carefully place/keep each instrument in its frequency, are there any rules that, say, a guitar should be kept within 4k and 16k? if yes, how do i do that - is EQing the answer? how about vocals should it sit between 500k and 1k? things like that.
The human ear can hear between 20hz (low) to 20khz (high) illustrated in the diagram shown above. Now we know the frequency limit in which we have to span our instruments across, anything outside of this should be eliminated with an equalizer. Proper frequency placement is done by proper equing and instrument selection. In the song each instrument should cover a different span of frequencies and peak at varied frequencies. When mixes are done right each instrument occupies its own frequency space without overlaying too much on another sound, and that no peaks are canceling each other out or causing severe muddying within a mix."
Sentence in bold confuses me. :roll:
I read about frequency placement in here, you guys might want to check it out.
thank you for the response. :-) i see. I really need to learn how to EQ well then. any tips? :lol:
Im still getting confused though on how i could carefully place/keep each instrument in its frequency, are there any rules that, say, a guitar should be kept within 4k and 16k? if yes, how do i do that - is EQing the answer? how about vocals should it sit between 500k and 1k? things like that.
-yes, you need to know how to apply EQ - sparingly. -tips? read a lot of books about the subject - anything about recording, the recording chain and mixing methods. if you have any local seminars, attend them. -essentially, yes, the frequency ranges are a good starting point but NOT an absolute rule because, like I said, how you EQ is all relative to what you've got...if you recorded a vocal and it ended up being too boomy then you don't want to apply too much bass in the lower end of the freq range. the best way I can tell you to tackle this is for you to rad, process the knowledge and apply them to see what they sound like. I can rant all day about EQ dos and don'ts but in the end, what I do is still LARGELY dependent on hearing the raw recording first. -complement your reading by experimentation and application....all audio engineering courses I ever took were complemented by spending time in a control room twice as long for study time to get a good context of what the text had to say about a topic.
as far as the gadgets go, for fun, the headset mic is fine but if you want to get a little bit serious about producing a decent track, the headset mic has got to go. folks have mentioned this before on the forum that if you want to derive quality from something, you have to put quality stuff into use....you can't polish up a track if decent gear wasn't used to record it in the first place.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: bellhaus on January 23, 2010, 01:39:29 PM
pa email ng vox track yung dry lang walang compression. kaya kong tanggalin yung pop/click sa intro. noniemartinez@yahoo.com
haha its ok bro. was just having fun lang naman hehe.
@ abyssinianson
thank you very much for the response. I just realized how EQing is very important - and i guess i have to train my ear harder. I do agree that if i want to go at least have some decent recordings that i should dispose the headset mic. haha i understadn the garbage in = garbage out theory. :lol:
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: Elyenman on January 24, 2010, 12:59:52 AM
ano po ba gagawin para yung vocals hindi parang hiwalay yung tunog niya sa banda? tapos ano po ba dapat volume level ng vocals relative to the band? kasi parang nagsstick-out yung vocals e.
second question po. yung rythm at lead na gitara, dapat po ba sa magkahiwalay sila na channel lumalabas? or dapat po ba mostly sa right kunyari yung rythm (pero may onti sa left) tapos sa lead mostly sa left (na may onti sa right)?
last, bago ba i export, ano pede gawin para magdikit lahat ng tunog? ok naman na sha, pero kasi may sinasabi yung iba na may gagawin ka pa para parang pag naging mp3 na sha wav or something dikit yung tunog maliban sa ginawa mo sa mastering.
salamat po, sana matulungan niyo kami.
if it helps, pop-punk po genre namin tas yung mga kanta namin na inedit ko (na kasalukuyan pading may mga problema mentioned above) nakapost po sa myspace account namin. www.myspace.com/quickletsgo
thanks, help us! :?
gamitan mo ng headphones para mas rinig mo 'yung blending tapos after icheck mo ng nakaspeakers after para rinig mo 'yung kelangan mo iadjust, minsan pag dumadami tracks tingin ko e nasasapawan 'yung vox sa mixing pero pag masyado namang nalalagyan ng effects, ex. reverb, yung boses e masyadong nagiging lutang (hiwalay sa instruments), yun bale yung binabalanse ko. Kung minsan naman, kung hindi talaga swak sa tunog ng kanta yung higs or lows nung vocalist e iniEQ ko, onting timpla lang para dumikit. Tapos siyempre, autotune :-) kung kulang pa. Pero sa iba common ritual na yun. tedious talaga pero kaya naman. sanayan lang naman din.
tama yung sinabi mo sa gitara, pero dapat hindi masyado yung tamang nahihiwalay mo dapat sila. para nadidistinguish mo yung lead at yung rythms. Pero sa natry ko hindi naman ata necessarily ihihiwalay mo sila parati, just go with what your gut feels right, oks na. Iba pa rin kasi pag okey sa tenga mo e.
bago ako magexport tintry ko sya pareho sa headphones at sa speakers para makita ko yung final output, dinodobol check ko yung lakas nung buo, tapos pag nagrered edi babawasan ko para hindi pumuputok.... hmm... ano pa ba... papakinggan ko nga pala ulit yung blending, kasi ang rule ko is dapat malinaw ng instrumento, yung tipong pag tinenga mo mahihiwalay mo isaisa, vox, drums, ganun pero pag di mo pinansin maghahalo na lang sila, which I think is tama naman. :-) :-)
ayun, just my two cents, hope I helped
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: alvincflorentino on January 28, 2010, 08:08:30 AM
thank you for the response. :-) i see. I really need to learn how to EQ well then. any tips? :lol:
with the song above, here are the GADGETS that i have used: a headset microphone, thus the nasally sound and the sudden clips at the track. As for the guitar, mine went directly into my laptop and i used guitar rig for its effects.
Im still getting confused though on how i could carefully place/keep each instrument in its frequency, are there any rules that, say, a guitar should be kept within 4k and 16k? if yes, how do i do that - is EQing the answer? how about vocals should it sit between 500k and 1k? things like that.
The human ear can hear between 20hz (low) to 20khz (high) illustrated in the diagram shown above. Now we know the frequency limit in which we have to span our instruments across, anything outside of this should be eliminated with an equalizer. Proper frequency placement is done by proper equing and instrument selection. In the song each instrument should cover a different span of frequencies and peak at varied frequencies. When mixes are done right each instrument occupies its own frequency space without overlaying too much on another sound, and that no peaks are canceling each other out or causing severe muddying within a mix."
Sentence in bold confuses me. :roll:
I read about frequency placement in here, you guys might want to check it out.
First of all, that song has great potential. While I was listening I was imagining it being recorded and mixed "properly" and that put a smile on my face. Love the grunge feel; keep that on the final mix.
Actually, I'm an amateur too but I do know a good recording/mix when I hear one. Having said that, yes, the mix isn't what's wrong with this. Or rather, it's not only the mix but the recording itself. Throw that headphone mic away THIS INSTANT! At the very least, don't use it for recording unless this is the sound you're after. It's been said time and time again: garbage in, garbage out. People WILL hear the difference (although less and less are minding it nowadays what with the advent of mp3's, but that's another subject for another day). Buy yourself even a "basic" dynamic mic (SM58), a decent audio interface/recorder and you're good to go. These will greatly improve the "sound" being recorded and maybe diminish unwanted ones--loud noise floor before the guitar kicks in--although there are other tricks for this.
Here's a frequency chart I copied from some website or other--can't remember now--that might help you understand frequencies. (Don't blame me if the pic doesn't appear. I was only told to follow the example from this link: http://talk.philmusic.com/board/index.php/topic,29397.0.html). Mind you, I have no training in recording/engineering so I had to figure this out myself, just like you'll probably do also. Study it carefully; it's not the do all and be all of study material but I really hope it helps. On the surface, the frequencies (columns or x-axis) of different instruments/voices (rows or y-axis) must not overlap with each other or else the sound may become "muddy" or indistinct. For example, you may want to accentuate the 50-60Hz band when EQing your kick and boosting the 80-100Hz band when EQing your bass so that they don't share certain frequency ranges and become cluttered. For guitar, you may want to bring up the 600Hz to 1kHz band. As long as the great majority of an instrument/voice doesn't overlap with another, then each instrument will become more distinct. Mind you, these examples are just that: EXAMPLES, just so you can picture the process. Although being an amateur, I'm not even sure if that's the proper way to explain it, but I hope I'm in the ball park. Anyone?
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: alvincflorentino on January 28, 2010, 08:15:29 AM
Darn! I knew that picture wouldn't show up! And I only followed instructions from http://talk.philmusic.com/board/index.php/topic,29397.0.html. Yes, I used picturetrail and copied the link properly using the required syntax and No, I didn't use 50x50 as the size of the pic (of course, that was only an example from the link) 'cuz it ended up too small. So, what to do guys?
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on January 28, 2010, 10:01:34 AM
Show me the link and I'll post it.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: alvincflorentino on January 28, 2010, 02:27:40 PM
Here's the link, sir: http://www.picturetrail.com/sfx/album/view/22918134. And while you're at it, please give me instructions on how to attach pics/links myself using the step-by-step for dummies version. I really did what the link said but it didn't work...honest! Sorry for having to have you do this but I've no one else to turn to. Thank you much!
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on January 28, 2010, 02:54:37 PM
Right click on the image in picturetrail and choose 'copy image location'
In PM, when you reply, click on the pictureframe button below the bold ("B") button. Paste the image you copied in between the image brackets, and voila!
First of all, that song has great potential. While I was listening I was imagining it being recorded and mixed "properly" and that put a smile on my face. Love the grunge feel; keep that on the final mix.
Actually, I'm an amateur too but I do know a good recording/mix when I hear one. Having said that, yes, the mix isn't what's wrong with this. Or rather, it's not only the mix but the recording itself. Throw that headphone mic away THIS INSTANT! At the very least, don't use it for recording unless this is the sound you're after. It's been said time and time again: garbage in, garbage out. People WILL hear the difference (although less and less are minding it nowadays what with the advent of mp3's, but that's another subject for another day). Buy yourself even a "basic" dynamic mic (SM58), a decent audio interface/recorder and you're good to go. These will greatly improve the "sound" being recorded and maybe diminish unwanted ones--loud noise floor before the guitar kicks in--although there are other tricks for this.
Here's a frequency chart I copied from some website or other--can't remember now--that might help you understand frequencies. (Don't blame me if the pic doesn't appear. I was only told to follow the example from this link: http://talk.philmusic.com/board/index.php/topic,29397.0.html). Mind you, I have no training in recording/engineering so I had to figure this out myself, just like you'll probably do also. Study it carefully; it's not the do all and be all of study material but I really hope it helps. On the surface, the frequencies (columns or x-axis) of different instruments/voices (rows or y-axis) must not overlap with each other or else the sound may become "muddy" or indistinct. For example, you may want to accentuate the 50-60Hz band when EQing your kick and boosting the 80-100Hz band when EQing your bass so that they don't share certain frequency ranges and become cluttered. For guitar, you may want to bring up the 600Hz to 1kHz band. As long as the great majority of an instrument/voice doesn't overlap with another, then each instrument will become more distinct. Mind you, these examples are just that: EXAMPLES, just so you can picture the process. Although being an amateur, I'm not even sure if that's the proper way to explain it, but I hope I'm in the ball park. Anyone?
Exactly! thank you so much for this information! haha the picture realllly helped me understand better! :lol: thank you for appreciating the song and its potential. I couldnt agree more with everyone in here saying that i should get at least an entry level microphone - AND AN INTERFACE! whew.
thanks everyone! for helping me understand. =)
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: alvincflorentino on January 30, 2010, 08:03:31 AM
Thanks, Kit C, and you're welcome, progressive P!
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: sinosimelo on January 30, 2010, 10:25:04 PM
where do i start recording???? im a one-man band...
wait let me rephrase that,
lets say i have all the equipments,
HOW do i start? i sometimes go off beat when playing one instrument (usually the first instrument to be recorded)
thats a noob question, please dont flame me. thanks! :-)
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on January 31, 2010, 12:01:49 PM
Use a metronome.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: pmack on February 01, 2010, 04:21:27 PM
pasingit lang po ng question. how high should studio monitors be in terms of mounting them? dapat ba ear level ng sitting position in front of the pc? higher? lower? on that note, how far naman from my ears should they be? i'm using 8" near fields. thanks in advance.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: sinosimelo on February 02, 2010, 12:00:28 AM
pasingit lang po ng question. how high should studio monitors be in terms of mounting them? dapat ba ear level ng sitting position in front of the pc? higher? lower? on that note, how far naman from my ears should they be? i'm using 8" near fields. thanks in advance.
It depends, but normally, the speaker's high compression drivers or tweeters should be hitting your ears straight on at SITTING POSITION. That should be around 1.2 to 1.4 METERS. I normally put my monitor's tweeter about 6 inches higher than ear level so there tends to be a little roll off on the high frequencies which I compensate in my eq use in mixing. It's your choice - whatever you are comfortable in.
The distance between the speakers and yourself should be an equilateral triangle. If the seakers are 8 feet apart, the left speaker should be 8 feet away from your left ear and vice versa.
FWIW
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: pmack on February 02, 2010, 01:09:32 PM
It depends, but normally, the speaker's high compression drivers or tweeters should be hitting your ears straight on at SITTING POSITION. That should be around 1.2 to 1.4 METERS. I normally put my monitor's tweeter about 6 inches higher than ear level so there tends to be a little roll off on the high frequencies which I compensate in my eq use in mixing. It's your choice - whatever you are comfortable in.
The distance between the speakers and yourself should be an equilateral triangle. If the seakers are 8 feet apart, the left speaker should be 8 feet away from your left ear and vice versa.
FWIW
thanks for the input sir Mike. vey much appreciated...
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: palaka on February 03, 2010, 12:17:28 AM
mga sir tanung lang po pwede po bang sabay gamitin yung usb interface at firewire interface?
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on February 03, 2010, 04:28:21 PM
mga sir tanung lang po pwede po bang sabay gamitin yung usb interface at firewire interface?
If using asio drivers, no. You can only access one device at a time with asio.
In theory, you can access both simultaneously using WDM but you will have to find a way to sync the 2 devices digitally, often by using their unused spdif i/o, if they have any.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: sci-n-tfik on February 03, 2010, 11:16:40 PM
bossing help! what gadget can i use for recording simultaneously at least 8 tracks, nakakatamad kce mag recording ng isa isa.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on February 04, 2010, 10:56:56 AM
pano po ba binubuo ng mga pro yung mga recordings nila..? wala akong idea eh :-)
Depends... some solo artists hire session artists and they go into a studio and record at the same time. other soloists use midi arrangements. bands can track simultaneously, or they can track individually as long as they have a guide track.
If you're a soloist, learn to play to a metronome. Believe me, this is where most beginners fail. If you know of anyone who will be recording a song, why not tag along and see the process in action. It's usually an eye opener for most.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: lowriderthug on February 08, 2010, 11:35:47 PM
+1
play with metronome :)
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: Mr.Floyd on February 15, 2010, 07:01:11 PM
sir what's the purpose of spdif in out?and anong equipment ang need para dun?mahalaga b sya for recording?
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: bellhaus on February 16, 2010, 12:38:57 AM
input output din sya pero stereo, and nakaka basa sya ng word clock para sa mga digital gears.
ex1: wordclock (apodee big ben) generator spdif out to audio interface spdif in (m-audio fast track pro) to digital cd or dvd audio recorder (tascam, HHB) spdif in. Master ang big ben, than slave yung audio interface and cd or dvd audio recorder.
ex2: audio interface spdif out to digital pre-amp (ssl vhd pre) spdif input to balik ulit sa audio interface. Master clock yung audio interface, slave naman yung digital pre-amp.
ex3: digital pre-amp to audio interface. Master yung pre-amp, slave yung audio interface.
Bakit and para saan ito? sync of digital gear 16bit 44.1khz, 24bit 44.1khz, 24bit 48khz, up to 24bit 192khz resolution.
cd has 16bit 44.1khz dvd audio has 24bit 48khz not sure pa bluRay audio
Ito na! SPDIF is an digital audio in/out, Using Stereo LR, gamit din pang sync ng digital gears.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: samuelfianza on March 09, 2010, 03:44:39 PM
Noob question again: Hindi na ba kailangan ng magandang sound card kung may audio interface? (is my question correct? :lol:)
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: xaero on March 09, 2010, 09:52:05 PM
Di ko sure kung dito dapat itanong ito, pasensya na. Meron po bang school/s dito sa Manila na nag-ooffer ng courses in audio/sound engineering? Salamat
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: sinosimelo on March 09, 2010, 10:39:08 PM
Di ko sure kung dito dapat itanong ito, pasensya na. Meron po bang school/s dito sa Manila na nag-ooffer ng courses in audio/sound engineering? Salamat
oo nga... hehehe... astig siguro yan... para nasa line na tayo ng music kung sakali! :-D meron kayang short course? tipong 1-2 years?
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on March 10, 2010, 09:19:35 AM
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on March 11, 2010, 09:44:24 AM
The audio interface IS the soundcard. The term soundcard is a holdout from the days of yore when you had to physically install an audio card inside the pc case in order to have audio - at that time, pc's did NOT normally come with any audio capability and you had to install a soundcard (usually a 'blaster) into a free expansion port. Nowadays, motherboards come standard with onboard audio.
The definition of an audio interface is a device that:
a) converts digital data into analog or digital audio that can be amplified or translated by another digital audio device. The former means that the interface outputs electrical audio impulses that can be put through an amp to be heard through headphones, speakers and other PA systems. The latter, digital audio, is a format of audio that requires further conversion from digital to analog so that it can be amplified. While digital audio is still data, it is a different protocol from that of .mp3, .wav, or .aif files. You need an interface that converts these files into audio.
b) converts analog audio into digital data that your computer can process. In the old analog days, you could consider preamps and their associated circuitry as interfaces when recording into tape, for example. These preamps and recorders would convert analog audio into electrical impulses which would be converted to magnetic energy to be 'imprinted' onto a strip of iron oxide impregnated strip of plastic which we called 'tape'. Nowadays, we record to hard disk or SD cards; the media may have changed but the principle is the same.
Therefore, a soundcard IS an audio interface. The USB or firewire soundcard IS an audio interface, the only difference being that they are external interfaces compared to an internally installed soundcard. Any device that allows a computer to interact with audio becomes an interface... even a USB mic can be considered an interface by virtue of definition, although it is strictly an input only device - except in some models that include audio output for monitoring purposes. (What?! a mic with an output? Try googling the sE usb mics.)
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: bellhaus on March 11, 2010, 09:06:47 PM
yep tama si sir kit!
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: axebass26 on March 12, 2010, 04:44:38 PM
are there metronome software existing that you can program? like this time signature for the intro then it changes to another time signature for the verse and so on and so forth... can't find any in google... or i just don't know how to tweak my software? like "reaper" or "reason"
BTW... we are not pro sound engineers but we (me and my bandmates) want to learn so we can record good demos for ourselves...
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: bellhaus on March 12, 2010, 07:20:58 PM
are there metronome software existing that you can program? like this time signature for the intro then it changes to another time signature for the verse and so on and so forth... can't find any in google... or i just don't know how to tweak my software? like "reaper" or "reason"
BTW... we are not pro sound engineers but we (me and my bandmates) want to learn so we can record good demos for ourselves...
nuendo sir or cubase
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: samuelfianza on March 13, 2010, 12:43:29 PM
are there metronome software existing that you can program? like this time signature for the intro then it changes to another time signature for the verse and so on and so forth... can't find any in google... or i just don't know how to tweak my software? like "reaper" or "reason"
BTW... we are not pro sound engineers but we (me and my bandmates) want to learn so we can record good demos for ourselves...
Ang gamit ko Sony Acid tapos may tempo/time signature change marker option dun.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: axebass26 on March 13, 2010, 01:21:16 PM
meron din kaya sa vegas?
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: sinosimelo on March 13, 2010, 08:12:19 PM
sana di OT... pero ano kaya maganda gamitin na "drum machine" yung tipong ikaw mag seset ng tempo, tapos pati yung mga fills ikaw din gagawa... may narinig kasi ako na composition dito sa PM... may kumakanta, guitars.. tapos may drums, alam ko na software lang yun... kaso wla akong idea kung ano yun, at pano gawin?
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: samuelfianza on March 13, 2010, 11:55:10 PM
^ EZdrummer or Addictive Drums
mas maganda saakin ung Addictive Drums. Medyo Realistic yung tunog.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: sinosimelo on March 13, 2010, 11:56:40 PM
mas maganda saakin ung Addictive Drums. Medyo Realistic yung tunog.
okay thanks... bumili po kayo ng software? o download lang sa naka-kalat sa interwebs? :-D
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: samuelfianza on March 14, 2010, 12:30:53 AM
secret.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on March 14, 2010, 08:57:54 AM
Hmmm... I can see boxes of EZDrummer and Addictive Drums is Marvin's office... and that's not counting the other boxes of NI samples, Cubase 5, Logic Pro...
Seriously, if you don't know how to find these things, don't ask them here. I know where to find them, but to download them? You would spend a lifetime on dialup.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: wratharrow on March 24, 2010, 12:14:29 PM
what's a good audio interface that can record 16 or more channels simultaneously? or would most PTools interfaces require ADAT expansions to get more channel inputs?
and as a side question, for multichannel simultaneous recording, is a big mixer console really required for recording and mastering?
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: marvinq on March 24, 2010, 02:33:53 PM
Hmmm... I can see boxes of EZDrummer and Addictive Drums is Marvin's office... and that's not counting the other boxes of NI samples, Cubase 5, Logic Pro...
Seriously, if you don't know how to find these things, don't ask them here. I know where to find them, but to download them? You would spend a lifetime on dialup.
Actually, you might be referring to BFD2 and practically all of its expansions. Gerard uses EZdrummer. Eastwest has really good drumkits in its Ministry of Rock Library. I have that too. ;-P
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on March 24, 2010, 06:02:48 PM
what's a good audio interface that can record 16 or more channels simultaneously? or would most PTools interfaces require ADAT expansions to get more channel inputs?
Most 'prosumer' interfaces give you 2-, 4-, 6-, or 8 analog inputs with the more expensive ones offering up to 8 mic preamps. While they may state that their channel inputs can reach 16 or more channels, it's usually the cased that the analog channels are augmented by 2- or 8-channel digital inputs which require spdif/AES-EBU or ADAT interfaces. It's rare that you will find interfaces with more than 8 mic preamps, but most firewire interfaces from the same manufacturer (RME or Focusrite, for instance) allow you to 'stack' them so you could have more I/O.
Some of the Protools LE (003 and 003 rack) and M-audio interfaces accept ADAT I/O, but the Mbox does not have ADAT I/O.
and as a side question, for multichannel simultaneous recording, is a big mixer console really required for recording and mastering?
Yes and no. It depends really on how many channels you need to record. Mixers can serve as summing busses if your interface only accepts 8 analog input channels. You also get routing flexibility when you have a mixer, but you lose out on automation unless you use something like an O2R or O3D. The Protools Control 24/C24 allows up to 16 mic preamps and acts as a control surface at the same time.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: marvinq on March 24, 2010, 06:47:27 PM
@Kitc - Well, can you use a 2408 without the PCI card? ;-P
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on March 25, 2010, 09:58:09 AM
Most 'prosumer' interfaces give you 2-, 4-, 6-, or 8 analog inputs with the more expensive ones offering up to 8 mic preamps. While they may state that their channel inputs can reach 16 or more channels, it's usually the cased that the analog channels are augmented by 2- or 8-channel digital inputs which require spdif/AES-EBU or ADAT interfaces. It's rare that you will find interfaces with more than 8 mic preamps, but most firewire interfaces from the same manufacturer (RME or Focusrite, for instance) allow you to 'stack' them so you could have more I/O.
Some of the Protools LE (003 and 003 rack) and M-audio interfaces accept ADAT I/O, but the Mbox does not have ADAT I/O.
Yes and no. It depends really on how many channels you need to record. Mixers can serve as summing busses if your interface only accepts 8 analog input channels. You also get routing flexibility when you have a mixer, but you lose out on automation unless you use something like an O2R or O3D. The Protools Control 24/C24 allows up to 16 mic preamps and acts as a control surface at the same time.
awesome! thanks for that! now just to totally stray away from the interface topic, may i ask if it's possible to maximize a 4.5x5 Meter room for recording ,say, a full band?
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: RazrX on March 27, 2010, 03:21:52 PM
Hello! I'm a Newbie with a question. :-D How to set up a Compressor? Eto yung plano kong setup kasi,,
D.A.W. ---> Profire 2626 ---------------> 8 Mics for Drums (1x Bass, 2x Snare, 3x Toms, 1x Hi Hat 1x Ride) Behringer ADA 8000 --------> 2 Mics for Drum Overheads, 2x Guitar, 1x Bass, 1x Voice
Noob pa ako sa pag setup ng requirements for recording. Tapos may nag suggest sa akin na kung may Pre Amp na, ang next is Compressor. Kanina ko lang inalam yung purpose nun. Lahat ba ng Mic Inputs lalagyan nun? Diba iba ibang Compressor din ang ginagamit para sa iba't ibang instruments?
La pa din naman ako Behringer ADA8000. Kasi magsstart pa lang ako pag Aralan ang systema sa recording. Plan ko muna magstart sa Profire 2626 kasi eventually, matutunan ko din naman malaman kung ano ang nag La-lack sa recording. Kaya I-aAcquire ko yung mga equipment one by one depende kung ano yung kelangan. :wink:
May nabasa lang kasi ako na yung Compressor, nakakatulong din sa pag-Ingat sa equipment. Di daw kasi abrupt ang pag pasok ng signal. Kung totoo nga yun at kelangan, anong Compressor para sa Setup ko sa taas? Thanks in advance.. :-)
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: bellhaus on March 28, 2010, 12:22:04 PM
Hello! I'm a Newbie with a question. :-D How to set up a Compressor? Eto yung plano kong setup kasi,,
D.A.W. ---> Profire 2626 ---------------> 8 Mics for Drums (1x Bass, 2x Snare, 3x Toms, 1x Hi Hat 1x Ride) Behringer ADA 8000 --------> 2 Mics for Drum Overheads, 2x Guitar, 1x Bass, 1x Voice
Noob pa ako sa pag setup ng requirements for recording. Tapos may nag suggest sa akin na kung may Pre Amp na, ang next is Compressor. Kanina ko lang inalam yung purpose nun. Lahat ba ng Mic Inputs lalagyan nun? Diba iba ibang Compressor din ang ginagamit para sa iba't ibang instruments?
La pa din naman ako Behringer ADA8000. Kasi magsstart pa lang ako pag Aralan ang systema sa recording. Plan ko muna magstart sa Profire 2626 kasi eventually, matutunan ko din naman malaman kung ano ang nag La-lack sa recording. Kaya I-aAcquire ko yung mga equipment one by one depende kung ano yung kelangan. :wink:
May nabasa lang kasi ako na yung Compressor, nakakatulong din sa pag-Ingat sa equipment. Di daw kasi abrupt ang pag pasok ng signal. Kung totoo nga yun at kelangan, anong Compressor para sa Setup ko sa taas? Thanks in advance.. :-)
ok lang muna kung wala, sa mixing ka na magdagdag kasi pag narecord mo na meron di mo na matatangal.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: RazrX on March 28, 2010, 12:54:44 PM
ok lang muna kung wala, sa mixing ka na magdagdag kasi pag narecord mo na meron di mo na matatangal.
Thanks Bellhaus! :-D Bale Plug ins na lang muna ang gagamtin ko pang Compress after ng pag Record?
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on March 28, 2010, 06:42:26 PM
Try to think of a compressor as an 'automatic volume control' but with more flexibility. Typically, we use compressors to catch peaks before it enters the interface so that we can prevent digital clipping. With the advent of 24-bit recording, the increased headroom has allowed us to record without needing a compressor because compressors sometimes add their own color and character to a sound. A good example is Urei/UA 1176 which has been used in numerous recordings, or the classic DBX 160.
In live sound, some engineers use a compressor after the master outputs to tame peaks before going into the PA system. This helps prevent burning out the speakers at times. Another common usage is 'ducking', commonly heard in broadcast voice-overs where music is automatically lowered whenever a DJ talks into a mic.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: RazrX on March 28, 2010, 06:57:12 PM
Try to think of a compressor as an 'automatic volume control' but with more flexibility. Typically, we use compressors to catch peaks before it enters the interface so that we can prevent digital clipping. With the advent of 24-bit recording, the increased headroom has allowed us to record without needing a compressor because compressors sometimes add their own color and character to a sound. A good example is Urei/UA 1176 which has been used in numerous recordings, or the classic DBX 160.
In live sound, some engineers use a compressor after the master outputs to tame peaks before going into the PA system. This helps prevent burning out the speakers at times. Another common usage is 'ducking', commonly heard in broadcast voice-overs where music is automatically lowered whenever a DJ talks into a mic.
Thanks,, KitC! :-D Medyo nalito ako kasi yung pagkakaintindi ko dapat Compressor muna bago PreAmp.. Thanks ulit! :-D
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: alvincflorentino on March 29, 2010, 12:42:46 PM
I remember someone asking about EQ frequencies and fixing the muddiness of his recordings and, since I had a saved copy of a frequency chart I got off the web somewhere, to help out I posted the pic for his perusal. Unfortunately, I had since forgotten where I copied it from. It may or may not have helped but I found the website again and am posting the link for everyone's benefit. I said it may or may not help because I'm sure the pros here don't need this as they can trust their ears to figure out frequencies for them but for some of us mere mortals, it should turn out to be an eye opener--or an ear opener for that matter. Be sure to hover your cursor over certain areas of the chart as there are bits of info that opens up when you do. Here it is:
Title: PATCH BAYS!
Post by: wratharrow on March 29, 2010, 08:30:54 PM
can someone please kindly explain to me the concept of patch bays and how you use them?
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: palaka on March 31, 2010, 02:47:35 PM
sir tanung ko lang po kung safe po ba yung gagawin ko presonus firestudio tapus phone connect ko sa peavey mixer para gamit ko na monitor ng nagrerecord.tnx
Title: Re: PATCH BAYS!
Post by: KitC on April 04, 2010, 10:31:22 AM
can someone please kindly explain to me the concept of patch bays and how you use them?
A little google wouldn't hurt...
http://homerecording.com/patchbay.html
A patchbay is useful if you have lots of gear and do frequent patching and re-patching of cables. Patchbays ease the wear and tear on the 1/4" PL connectors or XLR sockets by moving the connections to a panel closer to your mix position while allowing you to somewhat 'permanently' affix the connections to the rear of your equipment.
Title: connecting a mixer to the digi 003 rack
Post by: wratharrow on April 04, 2010, 06:24:35 PM
the digi003 is a very interesting piece of hardware on its own but here's what i'd like to know: what are some compatible mixing boards/consoles (analog or digital, motorized or not - doesnt matter) that could work with the digi003 rack, and how do the 2 pieces of hardware connect with each other?
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on April 06, 2010, 10:51:22 AM
The 003 rack connects either via 1/4" PL to any analog or digital mixer, preferably an 8-bus. Examples of analog 8-bus mixers are the Mackie 32.8, Allen & Heath GL2800, Soundcraft GB8 or Live 8 series, Yamaha MG24, and many others. Most connection is via balanced or unbalanced 1/4" PL connectors; in some cases, the bus outputs also use balanced XLR connections.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: alvincflorentino on April 07, 2010, 11:58:25 AM
For the longest time, I've noticed that a lot of guys coming almost exclusively from the more "mature" (is that politically correct enough?) group refer to TRS/TS plugs as "PL" plugs. Can anyone provide a brief background as to its etymology and meaning? What about RCA vs Phono? Just for completeness, what does XLR mean?
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on April 08, 2010, 09:41:24 AM
PL actually stands for phone line since that connector got it's start in telephony (I was with the phone company for about 12 yrs). I actually referred to the PL plugs as TS/TRS, but it usually confused a lot of people so I reverted.
The RCA or phono plug, since it was regularly used with turntables (or phonographs), got it's name from it's maker, the Radio Corporation of America or more commonly known as RCA.
From wiki: The XLR connector is an electrical connector design. XLR plugs and sockets are used mostly in professional audio and video electronics cabling applications, for microphones and line level signals. Home audio and video electronics normally use RCA connectors for line level signals generated by a preamplifier. Phone plugs are also used for microphones in home and computer applications.
In reference to its original manufacturer, James H. Cannon, founder of Cannon Electric in Los Angeles, California (now part of ITT Corporation), the connector is colloquially known as a cannon plug or cannon connector. Originally the "Cannon X" series, subsequent versions added a Latch ("Cannon XL") and then a Rubber compound surrounding the contacts, which led to the abbreviation XLR.[1] Many companies now make XLRs. The initials "XLR" have nothing to do with the pinout of the connector. XLR connectors can have other numbers of pins besides three.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: alvincflorentino on April 09, 2010, 03:36:07 PM
PL actually stands for phone line since that connector got it's start in telephony (I was with the phone company for about 12 yrs). I actually referred to the PL plugs as TS/TRS, but it usually confused a lot of people so I reverted.
The RCA or phono plug, since it was regularly used with turntables (or phonographs), got it's name from it's maker, the Radio Corporation of America or more commonly known as RCA.
From wiki: The XLR connector is an electrical connector design. XLR plugs and sockets are used mostly in professional audio and video electronics cabling applications, for microphones and line level signals. Home audio and video electronics normally use RCA connectors for line level signals generated by a preamplifier. Phone plugs are also used for microphones in home and computer applications.
In reference to its original manufacturer, James H. Cannon, founder of Cannon Electric in Los Angeles, California (now part of ITT Corporation), the connector is colloquially known as a cannon plug or cannon connector. Originally the "Cannon X" series, subsequent versions added a Latch ("Cannon XL") and then a Rubber compound surrounding the contacts, which led to the abbreviation XLR.[1] Many companies now make XLRs. The initials "XLR" have nothing to do with the pinout of the connector. XLR connectors can have other numbers of pins besides three.
And now we know...Thanks, Sir!
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: alvincflorentino on April 13, 2010, 11:46:30 PM
I have an inquiry about the practice of matching speaker and amp wattages. I know that one or the other should have a higher wattage but I don't know which one. I have a Yamaha NS-20M and the specs are: Impedance 8 ohms, nominal input 80 watts, music input 160 watts. Those are the exact words written on the model/sticker info at the back. From this, does my amp have to have more or less wattage than 80 or 160? How much more or less? Or should they be equal? While you're at it, could you please explain the reason behind it? Thanks!
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: Xelly on April 22, 2010, 06:26:27 PM
Sir I just bought Cakewalk Sonar7. How will I know which version (32-bit or 64-bit) to install? Is it related with my OS (Win7 64-bit)? Thanks!
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on April 23, 2010, 11:47:27 AM
Sir I just bought Cakewalk Sonar7. How will I know which version (32-bit or 64-bit) to install? Is it related with my OS (Win7 64-bit)? Thanks!
Use the 64-bit version as much as possible, but if you have a lot of 32-bit plugs you would like to use, you might have to use the 32-bit version. Supposedly, bitbridge takes care of the conversion to 64-bit, but most plugs are still 32-bit today. Still, it doesn't hurt to experiment, and 64-bit is beneficial if you have sampling software, lots of ram and a huge library of samples.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: Xelly on April 23, 2010, 05:08:30 PM
Use the 64-bit version as much as possible, but if you have a lot of 32-bit plugs you would like to use, you might have to use the 32-bit version. Supposedly, bitbridge takes care of the conversion to 64-bit, but most plugs are still 32-bit today. Still, it doesn't hurt to experiment, and 64-bit is beneficial if you have sampling software, lots of ram and a huge library of samples.
Tnx sir Kit!!! Another question sir. Para saan yung Ableton and ano pagkakaiba niya sa Sonar? Noob question. :-)
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on April 24, 2010, 09:59:05 AM
Para saan yung Ableton and ano pagkakaiba niya sa Sonar? Noob question. :-)
Ableton is primarily a loop- or pattern-based sequencer. It operates on the principle of triggering midi and audio loops/patterns. Unlike Sonar, which is linear, meaning the sequence proceeds along a single time line, Ableton can trigger lots of loops as the sequence progresses. Ableton's strength also lies in it's pitch/tempo algorithm which allows you to modify, in real time, the tempo of the sequence while not affecting the pitch of the audio loops. It's one reason why DJ's and remixers easily took to this software - it takes a mindset that is familiar with pattern sequencing.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: Xelly on April 24, 2010, 05:40:14 PM
Ableton is primarily a loop- or pattern-based sequencer. It operates on the principle of triggering midi and audio loops/patterns. Unlike Sonar, which is linear, meaning the sequence proceeds along a single time line, Ableton can trigger lots of loops as the sequence progresses. Ableton's strength also lies in it's pitch/tempo algorithm which allows you to modify, in real time, the tempo of the sequence while not affecting the pitch of the audio loops. It's one reason why DJ's and remixers easily took to this software - it takes a mindset that is familiar with pattern sequencing.
Ah ok gets ko sir Kit maraming salamat!!! Another question sir. Naguumpisa kasi ako ngayon ng midi. Medyo nahihirapan ako sir eh.Akala ko parang fruityloops lang.May website ba kayong mabibigay sir na pwede makatulong sa akin? Dami ko rin gusto matutunan about Sonar7. :-o
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: Xelly on April 24, 2010, 08:38:10 PM
Sir another question. Gamit kong usb interface is line6 POD xt. Kapag ginagamit ko yung Sonar7, may naiibang settings sa POD XT. May idea ba kayo sir bakit nagkakaganun?
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on April 26, 2010, 10:09:50 AM
Sir another question. Gamit kong usb interface is line6 POD xt. Kapag ginagamit ko yung Sonar7, may naiibang settings sa POD XT. May idea ba kayo sir bakit nagkakaganun?
Sonar likes to send 'local off' midi messages to attached devices that have midi capability. It usually assumes that you have a midi keyboard attached and if it doesn't send a local off, you may experience a midi endless loop where midi data is re-transmitted (echoed) by Sonar from the data it receives from the keyboard, which in turn transmits the data over and over... with me so far?
You can set Sonar to not transmit anything by unchecking some items in Global Options, but you might have to go deeper and edit the aud.ini or other .ini files that Sonar refers to during startup. The help file has hints on how to edit the .ini files.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: Xelly on May 02, 2010, 11:41:46 AM
Sonar likes to send 'local off' midi messages to attached devices that have midi capability. It usually assumes that you have a midi keyboard attached and if it doesn't send a local off, you may experience a midi endless loop where midi data is re-transmitted (echoed) by Sonar from the data it receives from the keyboard, which in turn transmits the data over and over... with me so far?
You can set Sonar to not transmit anything by unchecking some items in Global Options, but you might have to go deeper and edit the aud.ini or other .ini files that Sonar refers to during startup. The help file has hints on how to edit the .ini files.
Wow tnx sir Kit!!
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: Xelly on May 11, 2010, 06:08:29 PM
Sir tanong ko lang paano ba ako magmulti-track recording ng live example sa concert?
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: melodic_claws on June 02, 2010, 06:16:55 PM
Hello mga ser,
Binabasa ko tong forum at nakakatuwa kasi ang dami kong natututunan though yung iba ang hirap i apply as iba iba kasi yung DAW at interfaces na ginamit. Just want to hear pieces(madami talaga kelangan ko kasi talagang baguhan ako sa field) of advices from the expert.
My set up is the just simple for multi track recording. A guitar/bass/mic-->zoom g2.1u-->PC(cubase LE4) Since wala po kaming drummer, we uses drum machine softwares na tinimpla ko rin according to my taste.
Layin nung mga mga tunog, ayus naman, all are sync according to my ear's satisfaction.
Here are my questions. Sana po masagot nyo mga ser
1. Yung drum machine, pano sya lalabas na real drums. Na satisfy ako nung na hybrid ko sya acoustic mixcraft5 by using compressor plugins. May iba bang teknik na pwedeng gamitin (metal pala ang genre ng tugtugan so more of malutong na snares and double bass drums
2. Pag kinocompare ko yung mga advertise professional CD sa ginawa kong output.. Parang payat ang tunog nung sa akin.. Tinaasan ko na up to 4-5 decibel gamit ang adobe audition ang output(sama ang mga hard limiting and many more efx na mapapalakas at mapapganda ang output ng recording). May settings ba ako na dapat i set sa cubase in terms of output production?
3. Say naka 3 songs ka na, pano mo papantayin ang decibel output nito kung i burn mo na sa CD. yung tipong pantay lahat.
4. Sa vocals, I am using Shure mic PG58, paano papaangatin ang tunog ng vox at pati na rin ang bass(by pass lang to walang efx para hindi maghalo sa tunog ng gitara)? May teknik din ba dito or efx or any hybrid utility na pwedeng gamitin?
Yan po muna ang aking queries. Sana po hindi kayo naguluhan sa mga tanong ko.. any suggestions, responses will be highly appreciated.
-Jas Wolf
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: alien_inside on June 03, 2010, 01:37:18 AM
1. Yung drum machine, pano sya lalabas na real drums. Na satisfy ako nung na hybrid ko sya acoustic mixcraft5 by using compressor plugins. May iba bang teknik na pwedeng gamitin (metal pala ang genre ng tugtugan so more of malutong na snares and double bass drums
You can only go so far with a drum machine especially if the sounds are repetitive. Real drummers use dynamics and often add fills and flourishes that are not easily done with a drum machine. As for sound, eq and compression can get you close, refer to this: http://noise101.wikidot.com/metal-drum-guide
2. Pag kinocompare ko yung mga advertise professional CD sa ginawa kong output.. Parang payat ang tunog nung sa akin.. Tinaasan ko na up to 4-5 decibel gamit ang adobe audition ang output(sama ang mga hard limiting and many more efx na mapapalakas at mapapganda ang output ng recording). May settings ba ako na dapat i set sa cubase in terms of output production?
Again, try reading through the link above. Pay special attention to part 5, but by all means, read everything!
4. Sa vocals, I am using Shure mic PG58, paano papaangatin ang tunog ng vox at pati na rin ang bass(by pass lang to walang efx para hindi maghalo sa tunog ng gitara)? May teknik din ba dito or efx or any hybrid utility na pwedeng gamitin?
Again, eq and compression plus several other techniques that should be learned over time. Head over to http://bamaudioschool.com/ and start studying! It's free so try to pick up a few techniques.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: Xelly on June 05, 2010, 02:04:03 AM
Sir tanong ko lang, hindi ba advisable na gumamit ng iba't-ibang audio interface sa recording? Example: I'm recording using Sonar7. When I record guitar parts, POD xt ang audio interface ko. After recording all the guitar and bass parts, palitan ko naman yung audio interface ko to Samson GTRACK USB condenser mic. Pansin ko parang nagkakaproblema yung Sonar7 eh. :?
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: arkeetar on June 05, 2010, 04:28:00 PM
limitado pa alam ko sa recording pero nakapag compare ko jts tm969 saka shure sm57, hindi ko lang sure kung ok nagawa kong comparison sa video :?
post ko na rin baka makatulong kahit papaano :lol:
nasubukan ko na din pala same mic sa parehas na mic 1&2 input, magkaiba din sila ng volume level kahit parehas ng settings sa knob? :? may problem kaya yung interface?
kaya mic input 1 lang din ginamit ko sa video (mas malakas s'ya compare sa mic input2)
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on June 07, 2010, 06:01:11 PM
Sir tanong ko lang, hindi ba advisable na gumamit ng iba't-ibang audio interface sa recording? Example: I'm recording using Sonar7. When I record guitar parts, POD xt ang audio interface ko. After recording all the guitar and bass parts, palitan ko naman yung audio interface ko to Samson GTRACK USB condenser mic. Pansin ko parang nagkakaproblema yung Sonar7 eh. :?
Firstly, if you are using asio, Sonar (and most other asio-driven programs) will only recognize one asio driver at a time. This is to ensure stability and low latency operation. Another thing is that buffer settings for one interface may be different with the other, which may be the reason you are having problems with Sonar.
Normally, when switching from one asio driver to another, Sonar will have you restart the program. If you are using WDM so that you can use the 2 interfaces simultaneously, it's entirely possible that the different buffer settings for each device have an effect on overall stability. Plus add to the fact that both of your interfaces use USB, which does not have a tight timing protocol when mixing up different interfaces, and timing is very important when dealing with audio.
So which of the 2 drivers are you using?
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: Xelly on June 08, 2010, 11:41:44 AM
^^^^ WDM ang gamit kong driver sir. Pero hindi ko naman ginagamit ng simultaneous yung dalawang usb interface ko. Nag-uumpisa lang magkaproblema kapag after nagstart na ako gamitin yung other usb audio interface ko(Samson GTRACK) after ko gamitin yung isang usb interface(POD XT) ko.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on June 09, 2010, 01:48:30 PM
Could be excessive power draw. Do you use a powered usb hub? Insufficient power is sometimes common when connecting directly to the motherboard.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on June 15, 2010, 01:41:54 PM
Software piracy is not tolerated in these forums.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: arkeetar on June 15, 2010, 01:45:37 PM
1. Use a mixer with phantom power and direct outs.
2. You can buy in-line phantom power units such as the Samson S-phantom power supply. I think Audiophile carries these.
If your condenser is an electret, chances are it can be powered by a battery. If not, then the above applies.
I try ko yan sir. Salamat!!!
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: axebass26 on July 27, 2010, 09:43:52 AM
my band is doing a homebrew record for ourselves before we really go into a studio. i have a couple of questions on mixing and mastering. when mixing tracks, i have adjusted the levels of each recorded track so that each peak is at 0.0 but the master volume still peaks at +something. do i need to adjust the master too even if it doesn't clip?
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: skin on July 27, 2010, 11:26:35 AM
my band is doing a homebrew record for ourselves before we really go into a studio. i have a couple of questions on mixing and mastering. when mixing tracks, i have adjusted the levels of each recorded track so that each peak is at 0.0 but the master volume still peaks at +something. do i need to adjust the master too even if it doesn't clip?
Usually per track level when recording is between -18 and -12.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: axebass26 on July 27, 2010, 11:48:57 AM
Usually per track level when recording is between -18 and -12.
it depends on the input i believe. but yes, usually it does fall between -18 and -12 per track to have its peak at 0.0..
again, i have adjusted the levels of each track to peak at 0.0. but the master volume (the volume of the mix) peaks at above 0.0. my question is, do i have to adjust the master so peaks are at 0.0 even if the mix does not clip?
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on July 27, 2010, 04:23:33 PM
Try to imagine each track as a glass of say... 10 ml in volume. The moment you hit 0dB, that glass becomes 10 ml full. Now imagine that the master fader is also 10 ml in capacity. If you add 10 tracks, all 10 ml full, to the master fader glass, what happens? It overflows, and in the world of mixing, this is heard as distortion.
You may have maxed out the volume on each individual track, but you also have to control how much you send out to the master outputs. This is where each individual track fader comes it. To continue with my fluid analogy above, the track fader controls the flow of volume going to the master fader so that it doesn't 'overflow'.
This is how you should treat mixing. We may say set your track levels to this or that dB or say peak at this max dB per track, but your basis for the mix should always be the master outputs, not each individual track. As I'm fond of saying, "let your ears, and not your eyes, be your guide whenever you mix."
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: axebass26 on July 27, 2010, 04:32:44 PM
Try to imagine each track as a glass of say... 10 ml in volume. The moment you hit 0dB, that glass becomes 10 ml full. Now imagine that the master fader is also 10 ml in capacity. If you add 10 tracks, all 10 ml full, to the master fader glass, what happens? It overflows, and in the world of mixing, this is heard as distortion.
You may have maxed out the volume on each individual track, but you also have to control how much you send out to the master outputs. This is where each individual track fader comes it. To continue with my fluid analogy above, the track fader controls the flow of volume going to the master fader so that it doesn't 'overflow'.
This is how you should treat mixing. We may say set your track levels to this or that dB or say peak at this max dB per track, but your basis for the mix should always be the master outputs, not each individual track. As I'm fond of saying, "let your ears, and not your eyes, be your guide whenever you mix."
okay.... hmmm... so if the mix does not clip or distort, but the master fader registers the audio to be above 0.0 should i still adjust the master so that it peaks at 0.0? or should i leave the master alone and adjust each individual track so that the master registers the peak at 0.0? will this affect the playback of the song on other devices? pardon the noob-ness.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on July 28, 2010, 10:44:13 AM
okay.... hmmm... so if the mix does not clip or distort, but the master fader registers the audio to be above 0.0 should i still adjust the master so that it peaks at 0.0? or should i leave the master alone and adjust each individual track so that the master registers the peak at 0.0? will this affect the playback of the song on other devices? pardon the noob-ness.
Again, let your ears...
Did you hear any distortion at all? Some analog devices have sufficient headroom at the master output that a peak indication may mean that you are only approaching max output. This is not true, however, for digital devices which have a fixed output of 0 dBFS (FS means full scale).
Any attempt to go above this would only mean nasty sounding digital distortion, which is what you usually want to avoid. There are cases where a DAW's track meters will indicate a peak, depending on how those meters are calibrated (peak or RMS). In most cases, transitory peaks - those lasting about a sample or 2 - are often inaudible, but these affect all meters down the line giving you a peak indication on the master outs. You often want to avoid these peaks since the mastering process will often increase levels possibly making any inaudible peaks noticeable afterwards. This is one reason why mix stems are usually handed over to the mastering engineer at levels not exceeding -6 dB or preferably lower so that they have more headroom to work with.
If you have a peak, will this affect playback? Of course it will, though the rule of thumb is that if you can't hear it, you can probably get away with it.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: axebass26 on July 28, 2010, 12:21:10 PM
Did you hear any distortion at all? Some analog devices have sufficient headroom at the master output that a peak indication may mean that you are only approaching max output. This is not true, however, for digital devices which have a fixed output of 0 dBFS (FS means full scale).
Any attempt to go above this would only mean nasty sounding digital distortion, which is what you usually want to avoid. There are cases where a DAW's track meters will indicate a peak, depending on how those meters are calibrated (peak or RMS). In most cases, transitory peaks - those lasting about a sample or 2 - are often inaudible, but these affect all meters down the line giving you a peak indication on the master outs. You often want to avoid these peaks since the mastering process will often increase levels possibly making any inaudible peaks noticeable afterwards. This is one reason why mix stems are usually handed over to the mastering engineer at levels not exceeding -6 dB or preferably lower so that they have more headroom to work with.
If you have a peak, will this affect playback? Of course it will, though the rule of thumb is that if you can't hear it, you can probably get away with it.
that clears a lot of stuff up... so i need to leave room for mastering... got it...
do we really need to master songs that are just for demos or for non-commercial/release songs?
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on July 28, 2010, 12:46:03 PM
No, but it's up to you assuming you want the best quality possible.
ah.. thank you very much...
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: ashendarei on August 04, 2010, 11:01:02 PM
I have been researching a lot on recording and this thread has also been very useful.
My question is, is there an actual audible difference when recording in 44.1 Khz vs 96Khz? I can understand that recording in 24 bit is better than 16 bit because it does leave some headroom for plugins and other algorithm computations on the sample which makes for smoother and cleaner output. However, does the sampling rate between 44.1, 88, and 96 actually produce audible differences that would justify the additional processing power needed and not to mention the additional storage space? The sources online have been conflicting in their recommendations but what I gathered so far is that the human ear can only distinguish up to 20Khz, which means that a 44.1Khz sample rate should be more than enough. However, there are some sources that mention that there is some "voodoo" in effect when recording in higher rates because it seems that some human instinct can tell the difference.
Based on your experiences, is this actually true? Is recording in higher sample rates (higher than 44) really worth it?
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on August 05, 2010, 03:45:13 PM
My question is, is there an actual audible difference when recording in 44.1 Khz vs 96Khz?
The extra sampling rate is great for, wonder of wonders, hearing silence. Often, classical music benefits from the higher sampling rate since their dynamic range is far greater than what we usually hear in today's pop or rock music, what with the preference for compression in most recordings. The natural decay of a music hall's reverb is captured faithfully at higher sample rates, so say the golden-eared among us, but is this important if that rock or hiphop album one is producing gets routed to an outboard Lexicon reverb? Thing is, your everyday common music lover wouldn't care less if the mp3 he was listening to was recorded at 44.1 or 96 kHz.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: ashendarei on August 05, 2010, 04:24:47 PM
The extra sampling rate is great for, wonder of wonders, hearing silence. Often, classical music benefits from the higher sampling rate since their dynamic range is far greater than what we usually hear in today's pop or rock music, what with the preference for compression in most recordings. The natural decay of a music hall's reverb is captured faithfully at higher sample rates, so say the golden-eared among us, but is this important if that rock or hiphop album one is producing gets routed to an outboard Lexicon reverb? Thing is, your everyday common music lover wouldn't care less if the mp3 he was listening to was recorded at 44.1 or 96 kHz.
Thanks!!! I will be recording mostly acoustic guitar (plugged and mic'd then mix them) and vocals so i guess i should concentrate more on good mic placement and adjusting to the acoustic of the room plus good singing techniques on mics. 24bit/44kHz should be good enough for my purposes.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: A.B on August 06, 2010, 05:01:19 AM
ano mas maganda matutunan pang high quality sounds nuendo or ung cakewalk sonar?
newbie lng thanks
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: skin on August 06, 2010, 09:34:42 AM
The extra sampling rate is great for, wonder of wonders, hearing silence. Often, classical music benefits from the higher sampling rate since their dynamic range is far greater than what we usually hear in today's pop or rock music, what with the preference for compression in most recordings. The natural decay of a music hall's reverb is captured faithfully at higher sample rates, so say the golden-eared among us, but is this important if that rock or hiphop album one is producing gets routed to an outboard Lexicon reverb? Thing is, your everyday common music lover wouldn't care less if the mp3 he was listening to was recorded at 44.1 or 96 kHz.
So true. It' almost like it's only the musician/engineer/producer who is satisfying his/her own thirst for purity (read: ego). And I'm not even talking about the audiophile purist here; just the regular guy/gal. If any one of us here were to put out a CD, whether commercial or not--but definitely for commercial purposes--that someone would like to present this recording in the best possible way he can to the extent that he/she will kill to buy top-of-the-line gear or at least record/mix/master in the best location possible. Ok, maybe not actually kill but you know what I mean. Unfortunately, the great majority of listeners will either illegally download or acquire only the mp3 version that will eventually be available--no surprise there. Even if this was not illegally acquired, you still say goodbye to quality and all those marathon recording/mixing sessions. Worse, it will be played in mp3 players of all kinds, and listened to on all shapes and sizes of earbuds/earphones/headphones/headsets, or whatever they're called nowadays. I heard a feature in the news last night that these headphones will generate sales of USD 441 million by year end up from only 414M last year!
Where's the justice there? What are we to do? Should we be satisfied that sales of our products are picking up just because people are downloading them? Should we be happy we put out a product that satisfied our deepest desires then just close our eyes to the reality? Forget about telling the public not to acquire illegal downloads. That's like telling a politician not to use his "wang-wang." (Although I must say, we seem to be getting somewhere with that). But in the end, you'll just shout yourself hoarse, trust me. The fact is, the CD is dying a slow death and mp3 is here to stay. Until, of course, that next compression scheme is invented...
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: x_taxi on August 06, 2010, 10:57:58 AM
indeed, the music industry is evolving... however in whatever form we enjoy our music, you'll still need good recording/mixing/mastering - more so to create that mp3 that you dislike.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: ashendarei on August 06, 2010, 03:22:12 PM
but it think some people do record their music just for the heck of it. people like me, who are not in any way an expert or a professional in the music industry, who just loves to make music. i mean when you're able to create that moment, and be able to capture that through your records, it becomes something like an inspiration for you that you keep coming back to when things don't seem to work quite the way you want them to.
i'm not saying that nobody else makes music and records it just for the heck of it. what i am saying is that i think that feeling is in each and everyone of us, which is why we want to be able to capture that moment as close to reality as possible. hehe not unless you're into music just to get chiqs (well nothing wrong with that).
am i even making any sense LOL.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on August 06, 2010, 11:31:30 PM
If you're gonna go for pure recording only no midi stuff, go Nuendo.
At the risk of sounding like a Cakewalk fanboy, Sonar can be configured for purely audio recording depending on the type of tracks you insert into a project. As a matter of fact, practically all DAW software (with a few exceptions) do both midi and audio, including Nuendo, depending how you configure their respective projects.
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Post by: A.B on August 07, 2010, 12:16:08 AM
ah pinaka ganda sa OS na windows ung sonar?
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: axebass26 on August 07, 2010, 01:13:10 PM
what software supports 3d panning? vegas has this but i find reaper more audio friendly... can somebody give other suggestions for software or plugins for my current software that supports 3d panning. (eg; drum tracks at the rear, bass in the middle, guitar 1 left, guitar 2 right, vocals front)
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: alvincflorentino on August 07, 2010, 08:28:31 PM
but it think some people do record their music just for the heck of it. people like me, who are not in any way an expert or a professional in the music industry, who just loves to make music. i mean when you're able to create that moment, and be able to capture that through your records, it becomes something like an inspiration for you that you keep coming back to when things don't seem to work quite the way you want them to.
i'm not saying that nobody else makes music and records it just for the heck of it. what i am saying is that i think that feeling is in each and everyone of us, which is why we want to be able to capture that moment as close to reality as possible. hehe not unless you're into music just to get chiqs (well nothing wrong with that).
am i even making any sense LOL.
Hey, I'm all for capturing the moment and all, too, and there's definitely nothing wrong with capturing the girls either (If that's what gets your juices flowing--no pun intended). Like I said, I guess we should just do the best we can to make ourselves happy then present that to whoever wants to hear it and let them have at it...with whatever makes them happy. Everybody happy? Ha!
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Post by: A.B on August 09, 2010, 02:27:14 AM
Sir KITC pano mag open ng intrumental beat sa sonar?
or ung .wma type pano mag bukas? .wma diba ung sa windows?
possible bang ma transfer ung files ko sa adobe audition papuntang sonar ?
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on August 09, 2010, 10:03:29 AM
Can you use 2 different firewire interfaces at one time? (e.g. Focusrite Saffire + Presonus Firestudio)
Or, can you use 1 firewire interface and 1 USB interface at one time? (e.g. Focusrite Saffire + M-audio Fast Track)
Yes, but if using asio, you can only use one device at any given time. Asio is 'madamot' when it comes to control over an interface. If you prefer to have both available to you simultaneously, use WDM drivers instead.
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Post by: inigo on August 09, 2010, 11:39:35 AM
Yes, but if using asio, you can only use one device at any given time. Asio is 'madamot' when it comes to control over an interface. If you prefer to have both available to you simultaneously, use WDM drivers instead.
Got it. Thanks!
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Post by: A.B on August 09, 2010, 03:38:31 PM
ok thanks
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Post by: lowriderthug on August 12, 2010, 03:48:51 PM
Good day everyone.
Is it okey to use Sony MDR 7506 or Audio Technica ATH-M30 for mixing? how do I get favorable results from these?
I have no pro referrence monitors yet. any advise which ones are good for starters like me.
thanks.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on August 13, 2010, 08:11:59 AM
We normally do not use headphones for mixing since panning/stereo information is exaggerated and often unnatural. This is because our ears hear both left and right speakers in an 'open-air' environment and we perceive stereo through the slight timing differences one ear receives from the left channel in relation to the right channel.
Some 'pros' have been known to use consumer hifi speakers as monitors. They usually have reference music or songs that they use to 'tune' those speakers, though.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: arkeetar on August 13, 2010, 08:20:26 AM
We normally do not use headphones for mixing since panning/stereo information is exaggerated and often unnatural. This is because our ears hear both left and right speakers in an 'open-air' environment and we perceive stereo through the slight timing differences one ear receives from the left channel in relation to the right channel.
Some 'pros' have been known to use consumer hifi speakers as monitors. They usually have reference music or songs that they use to 'tune' those speakers, though.
wow! useful info, kasi ako sa headphones lang naka monitor (yung pang tv pa, kaya may extra bass) :cry: gusto ko rin sana mag invest ng decent monitors, sabi ni jampaps yung samson, kaya lang nasa 6k din :cry:
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Post by: KitC on August 13, 2010, 08:28:58 AM
wow! useful info, kasi ako sa headphones lang naka monitor (yung pang tv pa, kaya may extra bass) :cry: gusto ko rin sana mag invest ng decent monitors, sabi ni jampaps yung samson, kaya lang nasa 6k din :cry:
Samsons are ok, but go for monitors with woofer cones of 6" or above if you want to hear bass properly. I personally wanted the Rubicons, but I'm kinda happy with the Fostex I have.
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Post by: arkeetar on August 13, 2010, 08:33:04 AM
Samsons are ok, but go for monitors with woofer cones of 6" or above if you want to hear bass properly. I personally wanted the Rubicons, but I'm kinda happy with the Fostex I have.
ah noted, thanks KitC :lol:
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: lowriderthug on August 13, 2010, 12:50:25 PM
We normally do not use headphones for mixing since panning/stereo information is exaggerated and often unnatural. This is because our ears hear both left and right speakers in an 'open-air' environment and we perceive stereo through the slight timing differences one ear receives from the left channel in relation to the right channel.
Some 'pros' have been known to use consumer hifi speakers as monitors. They usually have reference music or songs that they use to 'tune' those speakers, though.
Thanks sir kitc.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: alvinalvinalvin on August 18, 2010, 09:50:05 PM
Hi po sa mga masters quick question lang po regarding my recording setup.
3. connect remaining 3 tom mics directly to 3 rca channels of delta 1010lt using xlr female to rca male connector
Get some outboard preamps or get a mixer with direct outs so you can patch them to the rca line inputs. Using the XLR-to-RCA will only lead to impedance mismatching leading to very low gain on those mics aside from a very thin sound.
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Post by: alvinalvinalvin on August 19, 2010, 02:40:01 PM
thank you so much for the reply sir kitc
just a follow up question
what mixer with direct outs would you suggest ? I hope it's cheap
and also the preamp option
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Post by: KitC on August 20, 2010, 10:30:08 AM
what mixer with direct outs would you suggest ? I hope it's cheap
Some mixers with 16 or 24 channels have direct out options. Behringer's 2442 has 8 direct outs according to their site... you might have to look at the lower models if they offer direct outs; I doubt that their 12-ch models offer direct outs per channel. Mackie's 1604 VLZ has 8 direct outs - I tend to favor Mackie because of their durability and reliability. You might also find mixers from Phonic, Soundcraft and Yamaha that have direct outs.
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Post by: samuelfianza on August 22, 2010, 05:27:55 PM
Paano po gamitin ung LINE-IN na pang recording instead pf the MIC input?
pag Mic ang gamit ko merong narerecord pero pag sa line-in walang narerecord. :cry:
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Post by: skin on August 23, 2010, 09:38:55 AM
pede ba gumana ung ProTools sa OnBoard sound card?
No.
The only Pro Tools qualified equipment are from Digidesign, M-Audio and Mackie so far. There is, however, a development which I believe Digidesign doesn't approve of, but I'm aware of it's existence.
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Post by: samuelfianza on August 27, 2010, 08:13:19 PM
Yun na ang naka select pero pag magrerecord na, walang narerecord.
^ source of the audio should be specified to this input. This can be enabled in the control panel. sound and audio devices. then check your software to select this source for the input. :-)
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Post by: konfront on August 29, 2010, 10:36:29 AM
what happened to this thread? i didn't have time to rife through the 19 or so pages to see kung natuloy ba ang recorders jam na pinaplano. natuloy nga ba?
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: riki on November 16, 2010, 01:04:35 AM
sir, ask lang po ako ng tips on miking drums and amplifiers (guitars, bass and keyboard) amps.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: Xelly on November 16, 2010, 07:16:48 PM
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: deathkid on November 22, 2010, 03:07:23 AM
saan po me available books or magazine about mastering audio?
medyo ok na din ako sa tamang mix like panning sa drums and guitars
i want our home made cd like a commercial release cd's
question:
1. what are the things to do para mapalakas ko yung audio that we record..(ex. when i played it sa ipod.mahina siyaa khit todo volume na, unlike those mp3 audio na ang lakas nila kapag todo ang volume :)..
2.dapat ba kpag nag record ka nasa green meter lights lang every input? hindi naabot ng yellow?
you can check our home studio @ laguna(pacita,sanpedro)
saan po me available books or magazine about mastering audio?
medyo ok na din ako sa tamang mix like panning sa drums and guitars
i want our home made cd like a commercial release cd's
question:
1. what are the things to do para mapalakas ko yung audio that we record..(ex. when i played it sa ipod.mahina siyaa khit todo volume na, unlike those mp3 audio na ang lakas nila kapag todo ang volume :)..
2.dapat ba kpag nag record ka nasa green meter lights lang every input? hindi naabot ng yellow?
di na maximize yung level ng master track. kailangan i-adjust para maging malakas or standard yung volume nya compared to other songs. check the level of the master track, it's ok to na mag-red yung meter from time to time but not almost all the time of the song.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: CeL1916 on November 25, 2010, 12:16:41 AM
nakukuha ba yung tunog ng amp settings ko pag
guitar - amp - mixer-(audio interface)-laptop?!
or pareho lang yun ng
guitar - mixer - audio interface - laptop?
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: Xelly on November 26, 2010, 12:35:35 AM
sa 2nd chain na wala yung amp definitely malaki ang difference sa tone. lalo na sa electric guitar since malaki ang contribution ng guitar amp sa output sound. para makuha yung tunog ng amp either mic yung amp or gamit ka ng direct-out ng amp to interface or both.
ngayon, nagiging popular na ang guitar direct recording: guitar -> interface -> computer, since mas simple talaga ito compared to traditional mic-the-amp method and mas marami na pwedeng gawin sa tunog because of digital modelling. :-)
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Post by: Xelly on November 26, 2010, 01:18:43 AM
sa 2nd chain na wala yung amp definitely malaki ang difference sa tone. lalo na sa electric guitar since malaki ang contribution ng guitar amp sa output sound. para makuha yung tunog ng amp either mic yung amp or gamit ka ng direct-out ng amp to interface or both.
ngayon, nagiging popular na ang guitar direct recording: guitar -> interface -> computer, since mas simple talaga ito compared to traditional mic-the-amp method and mas marami na pwedeng gawin sa tunog because of digital modelling. :-)
+1 Pwede ka pa magrecording ng pagsapit ng dilim!!! :lol:
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Post by: CeL1916 on November 27, 2010, 04:36:30 PM
@xelly and jamming papu
Okay sige mga tol! salamat..
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: Xelly on November 27, 2010, 05:06:02 PM
^^ Bro check my sig. MultiFX/Interface. Yan yung tinutukoy ko.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: plitipiw40315 on December 06, 2010, 09:12:29 PM
gud day mga ser, newbie lang po ako dito sa MT&PA at lalo na sa recording stuffs.. :-D may mga gusto lang po akong malaman tungkol sa recording, mga mods kung maling thread po pa move/delete nalang..thanks
meron po akong KONZERT av-633 mixing amp. tanong ko lang po kung:
1. pwede ko bang gamitin yun na pang record.. 2. if yes ano pang hardware/software ang kailangan ko para ma-connect yung amp sa pc at marekord ang sound..
yung wag po masyadong technical na terms mga ser ha, at kung maaari yung may diagram sana..hehe.. :-D
eto po yung pics.. ..front.. (http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs696.snc4/63628_181570011860600_100000228073084_709502_4150474_n.jpg)
napansin ko po kasi may label na record sa likod.. ..back.. (http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs356.ash2/63628_181570015193933_100000228073084_709503_4295442_n.jpg)
SALAMAT PO! :-D
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on December 07, 2010, 08:59:41 AM
Seriously, no. But if that's the only amp you have, there's no rule that says you can't use what you have on hand. Just don't expect professional sounding results.
2. if yes ano pang hardware/software ang kailangan ko para ma-connect yung amp sa pc at marekord ang sound..
Connect the line out of the amp to the line input of the computer. Use software such as Audacity or Reaper to get started. As for details, try to read up on the "PC Recording" sticky. Lots of info there that would be too much to repeat here.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: plitipiw40315 on December 07, 2010, 11:27:40 AM
Seriously, no. But if that's the only amp you have, there's no rule that says you can't use what you have on hand. Just don't expect professional sounding results.
Connect the line out of the amp to the line input of the computer. Use software such as Audacity or Reaper to get started. As for details, try to read up on the "PC Recording" sticky. Lots of info there that would be too much to repeat here.
thanks sa reply ser kit, yan lang po talaga gamit ko eh, gusto ko lang itry irecord drums ko kahit di na professional sounding basta mas ok lang compared sa recorded sound from camera. :-D
anyway ser eto po ba yung cable na kelangan ko??if yes saang output ng mixer ko po iko-connect at saang input po sa pc??BTW ser i'll be using my laptop pala w/c is an acer4736z model (2gb ram and 250gb HD)
Yes, the cable will work. Just make sure to use line in, NOT MIC IN.
ser kit ano po ba yung line-in?
eto po ba yung mic in na tinutukoy mo ser??yung pink na usually katabi ng headphone/speaker socket? :-D (http://www.instructables.com/image/F04T9TAFLM00TFL/GuitarMic-In-Port.jpg)
sinubukan kong isaksak dun kanina ser gamit tong desktop namen, nakarekord naman ako using the defult recorder ng PC, but then mahina yung sound nung playback ko..thanks ulit ser kit.. :-D
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on December 08, 2010, 08:31:50 AM
Use the back panel connections, not the front panel. Fiddle around with the sounds control panel applet for best sound.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: plitipiw40315 on December 08, 2010, 12:21:44 PM
sir gagana kaya protools pag gamit mo ung biniling generic equipments sa raon
No.
Either use M-audio gear for the M-powered version or Digidesign hardware for the LE version. That's all I can legally tell you.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: plitipiw40315 on December 29, 2010, 09:52:57 AM
ser kit tanong po ulit.. I've finally tried to record my drums using my konzert mixer connected to my laptop using audiacity at mejo satisfied naman po ako sa tunog, i used 1 generic mic as over head lang po..
my question is, pano ko po macoconvert yung audio file format na output ng audiacity to other file format like mp3??thanks ulit.. :-D
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: Xelly on December 29, 2010, 10:32:53 AM
^^ Yung daw mo bro pwede diretsong MP3 format na agad ang output bro. Pero kung hindi pwede sa daw mo, iconvert mo nalang yung wav file into mp3 format. Ganun ginagawa ko. Pero sa tingin ko may masmagandang solution si sir Kit. :-D
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Post by: plitipiw40315 on December 29, 2010, 11:05:24 AM
^^ Yung daw mo bro pwede diretsong MP3 format na agad ang output bro. Pero kung hindi pwede sa daw mo, iconvert mo nalang yung wav file into mp3 format. Ganun ginagawa ko. Pero sa tingin ko may masmagandang solution si sir Kit. :-D
thanks sa reply bro, konzert lang po gamit kong workstation eh, sa record output ko lang nilalagay then rekta sa mic input ng laptop..saka hindi po kasi wav file ang labas na format, somthing like. auc ata yun na audio city lang ang nakaka open.. :-D
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Post by: erniepaj on January 01, 2011, 09:43:43 AM
sir kitc:
ive been frustrated with recording to PC via berhinger UCA202, tried a zoom with it and with the but i hate the digital tone i am getting. so, im looking into going with a usb condenser mic aimed at the amp.
can you recommend an affordable but competitive quality condenser mic for this application? will it need a separate power source by the way?
thanks.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: Xelly on January 02, 2011, 08:31:35 AM
Suggest ko bro bili ka nalang ng audio interface and SM57 mic. Or bili ka nalang nito: Line 6 POD HD500 (http://talk.philmusic.com/board/index.php/topic,211833.25.html) :-D
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Post by: KitC on January 02, 2011, 04:07:55 PM
can you recommend an affordable but competitive quality condenser mic for this application? will it need a separate power source by the way?
Can't really recommend a usb mic since they either have monitoring or latency issues that usually compound recording problems, plus, usb mics typically have short cables which can cause problems with placement.
Better to get a good audio interface and pair it with a quality mic. If recording guitars only, the SM-57 is a very good mic to place in front of your cab, as Xelly points out, plus it also doubles as a very good vocal mic.
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Post by: A.B on January 08, 2011, 11:06:54 AM
kano po ung makie na affordable price and san nakakabili? and ano mas mura m-audio or mackie?
thanks :D
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Post by: erniepaj on January 10, 2011, 12:58:11 PM
im planning to get a JTS mic for a try, cant afford a shure m57 right now.
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Post by: Xelly on January 10, 2011, 02:14:10 PM
Ayus na yun bro subok lang naman. Pero kung pro na solve talaga ang sm57 or sm58. :-D
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: Xelly on January 13, 2011, 03:31:17 PM
Sir Kit may tanong ako about Sonar7. For example meron akong 10 vocal tracks tapos gusto kong lagyan ng reverb effect yung 10 tracks na yun na same lang ang preset, meron bang way na isang reverb lang iopen ko tapos yung signal ng 10 vocals tracks nakasend dun? Ang ginagawa ko kasi ngayon lalagyan ko ng same reverb preset yung 10 vocal tracks. Tnx in advance. :-D
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on January 14, 2011, 09:51:53 AM
Just create an aux bus channel with the reverb inserted in the fx rack. You can create an aux bus by dragging up the bottom of the track view until you see busses A to F and Aux 1 and Aux 2. Alternatively, there is a button with an arrow that toggles the busses into view (it's to the right of the I/O tab).
In the 10 audio tracks, add a send in each track to the aux bus channel (if that send isn't there already) and just vary the send amount to taste. Assign one of the 'A to F' busses as the master bus and make sure every audio track is routed to that bus. This now becomes your master out and your mix should be referenced only to that bus. TIP: I usually like to assign VC-64 to the master out with VC-64 preset 'master mix'.
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Post by: Xelly on January 14, 2011, 02:59:12 PM
Maraming maraming salamat uli sir Kit!!! MALAKING tulong ka talaga!!!! :-D
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Post by: jolam1431 on January 25, 2011, 05:06:05 PM
Sir kit, were planning to record our own compositions, pwede na kaya itong firewire interface na to http://www.jbmusic.com.ph/products/i/315 (http://www.jbmusic.com.ph/products/i/315) for multi-track recording.... How to properly set-up this for a full band recording...
TIA at God bless.
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Post by: KitC on January 26, 2011, 08:44:45 AM
Sir kit, were planning to record our own compositions, pwede na kaya itong firewire interface na to http://www.jbmusic.com.ph/products/i/315 (http://www.jbmusic.com.ph/products/i/315) for multi-track recording.... How to properly set-up this for a full band recording...
Very nice interface! You already got 8 analog inputs each with a mic preamp so if you're using 4 mics on the drums, 2 mics for guitars and one for the bass cab, you still got an extra mic pre for the lead vox.
I hope you got a good room to record in.
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Post by: Xelly on January 26, 2011, 09:09:33 AM
Very nice interface! You already got 8 analog inputs each with a mic preamp so if you're using 4 mics on the drums, 2 mics for guitars and one for the bass cab, you still got an extra mic pre for the lead vox.
I hope you got a good room to record in.
Eto yung nakakaligtaan ng karamihan!! Isa na ako dun!! :lol:
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Post by: jolam1431 on January 26, 2011, 01:00:10 PM
Very nice interface! You already got 8 analog inputs each with a mic preamp so if you're using 4 mics on the drums, 2 mics for guitars and one for the bass cab, you still got an extra mic pre for the lead vox.
I hope you got a good room to record in.
Salamat sa reply sir, I pray and hope na mabili namin ito. :-)
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Post by: zero44 on March 26, 2011, 11:25:06 AM
newbie here
ano po bang magandang DJ Equips for beginners?
direcho naba kagad ako ng DJ Controllers na malalaki or ung almost pocket size lang? dapat paba ako bumili ng separate mixers? gusto ko sanang bumili ng Korg Kaossilator, magagamit ko pa po ba yun? saan pwedeng mag download ng mga softwares? gusto ko sana yung sa PC lang muna ako mag ta-try, ano po ba magagandang mga controllers na pwede?
and lastly kasya po kaya yung 10k para sa beginner DJ equipments?
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on March 28, 2011, 08:56:01 AM
@zero44 - this thread is about recording, not DJing. Please start your own thread or refer to the numerous DJ threads in this board. Forumer mbenipayo may be able to offer some tips for you.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: ogagka0606 on March 30, 2011, 07:06:15 PM
hindi ko alam kung tama tong pagtatanungan ko. may cable ba na 2 mono(Left and right) to stereo na nabibili?
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: skin on March 30, 2011, 07:44:14 PM
Just about everywhere... If you're near SM North, at the Annex, 5th flr, there's a stall that sells cables of almost all types. I even found a difficult to find cable for my X-mini there.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: skin on March 31, 2011, 10:19:44 AM
Dapat tamang timpla. Huwag mag peak sa DAW (recording software) mo. Maski half mo lang tapos timplahin mo from your sound source naman.
Others record ng tondo yung sound source like guitars and keyboards. Tapos timplahin na lang sa input ng audio interface.
kahit nasa gitna lang sa DAW? mas maganda ba na gamitan ko na agad ng compressor, or after na lang marecord? example sa vocals?
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Post by: Xelly on April 05, 2011, 08:59:34 AM
Sir Kit may nakita akong thread ang sabi ninyo basta lagyan lang ng tamang timpla ng distortion and parallel compression solve na. Pwede pakiexpound sir? Maraming salamat!!! :-D
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Post by: KitC on April 05, 2011, 11:57:11 AM
Sir Kit may nakita akong thread ang sabi ninyo basta lagyan lang ng tamang timpla ng distortion and parallel compression solve na. Pwede pakiexpound sir? Maraming salamat!!! :-D
Distortion kasi has the tendency to act like a resonant filter at certain settings, and in small amounts, it can make a vocal more present and forward plus it adds an edge. Obviously you can't apply this in all cases, but the thread in question wanted upfront vocals. Parallel compression is putting a compressor in an aux bus and feeding it 100% send from the vocal track. By mixing the aux return a little bit with the regular vocal track, you can come up with really strong vocal tracks.
Parallel compression comes from the fact that you have 2 compressors working in parallel in the vocal track; the main one to tame dynamics, while the one in the aux bus compresses the heck out of the signal. It's the judicious use of the aux bus that helps make a particular signal stand out. You can actually use parallel compression for anything, but it often helps vox and bass a lot more.
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Post by: imacRuel1 on April 05, 2011, 01:31:41 PM
hmm.... Sir KitC, same track source ba to w/ different fx application? I read earlier from another site about parallel compression... Mas OK nga daw po yun! Applicable din po ba to sa mga instrument tracks like guitars & drums?
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Post by: KitC on April 06, 2011, 12:20:31 AM
Yup. same track.
No one says you couldn't try it with drums and guitars, but the secret is judicious use and moderation. Don't use it on everything or you'll end up with a loud mess. Experimentation, however, is the key.
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Post by: redballs17 on April 08, 2011, 11:22:35 PM
Question lang for guitar interface and recording.
Mayroon akong Digitech RP155, pwede ko ba syang gamitin para sa Guitar rig 4? at ano magandang software na compatible sa kanya for recording?
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Post by: KitC on April 10, 2011, 12:16:08 PM
The RP155 qualifies as an audio interface according to the Digitech site. If the drivers also include asio, use that as much as possible for low latency. You can use any recording software; start with audacity or try Reaper if you want something capable of multitracking.
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Post by: --randz-- on April 12, 2011, 10:53:28 AM
hello po mga sir..
medyo matagal ako nawala sa thread... thanks sir kit c sa mga advise mo dati about recording, nakapag-record na po kami (choir) using this daw : behringer uca202 - behringer xenyx mixer - pc - cakewalk sonar - asio driver... medyo ok naman yung output and wala kaming naging problema sa latency...pero kailangan ko pa rin aralin how to put the right eq, reverb, etc..
sa ngayon, we're planning to buy m-audio fast track usb 2... question po..??
1. 16 bit po a ito or 24 bit? 2. kailangan pa po ba ng ASIO driver for low latency? 3. compatible po ba ito sa cakewalk sonar?.. ito na po kasi yung medyo alam ko na software (but i think may included na software dito ung pro-tools.) 4. ok po ba ung behringer C-1 condenser mic,, sa ngayon po kasi ang gamit is badger condenser mic, na-purchase namin sa lazer music store...
ito lang po...thanks and regards
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on April 12, 2011, 11:44:29 AM
24 bit. Just keep it internal to Sonar. This is better for processing headroom, but if you're concerned about large file sizes, you can go 16 bit without much worry. Just save files as 16 bit wav, but keep Sonar in 32 or 64 bit if your pc can handle it.
2. kailangan pa po ba ng ASIO driver for low latency?
Asio has proven to be very reliable for low latency recording for me, although nothing is stopping you from using WDM if you prefer it. As long as you can record with low latencies, you can use either. I just prefer asio because vst fx seem to behave better with it.
3. compatible po ba ito sa cakewalk sonar?.. ito na po kasi yung medyo alam ko na software (but i think may included na software dito ung pro-tools.)
Stick with what you know... the rest will follow later. Sonar is more than capable for music production... I should know. As long as you generate wav files with logical start times, you can fly those into any PT setup.
4. ok po ba ung behringer C-1 condenser mic,, sa ngayon po kasi ang gamit is badger condenser mic, na-purchase namin sa lazer music store...
It's ok, but not without it's faults. The secret is to learn how to live with them. As time goes by and if you save enough, you can always increase your mic cabinet as the need arises. For now, capitalize on the strengths of the C-1 and try to roll off the highs if it sounds too bright.
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Post by: --randz-- on April 12, 2011, 01:07:12 PM
thanks a lot sir kit c..
follow up question po...
are the following interface compatible with windows 7?
I can't give an unequivocal answer without testing either, but I think M-audio already has win7 drivers for their interfaces. Behringer is a little bit outdated with their driver releases.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: imacRuel1 on April 14, 2011, 12:16:02 AM
Sir KitC... hingi po sana ako ng tulong sa inyo... hindi ko po maconnect yung mixer ko sa Soundblaster Digital Music SX ko... eto po ang pic ang audio interface ko (below)
Nais ko po sana i-out yung Sound from my mixer papunta sa DAW (Cubase 5)... though I get a sound from my PC papunta sa mixer... Ano po kayang problema? ASIO supported naman po yung interface... :-(
Parehas naman po connected yung TAPE IN/OUT ng mixer sa Soundblaster IN/OUT... Tulong po! :|
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: skin on April 14, 2011, 02:08:03 PM
Sir , how to mix a solo voice, i mean yung tamang timpla ng reverb, eq, compression kapag nag record ka ng solo vocal.. wala na po ako problema mag-mix kapag choir (acapella)... ano po ba ang tamang eq sa mixer before you record..? ty
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: erovin on April 22, 2011, 02:01:35 AM
Hi,
Ask ko lang po kasi yung mga narerecord ko eh mahina kumpara sa mga CD na pinapatugtog ko. Paano ko kaya siya mapapalakasan ng hindi nadidisort yung sound?
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: skin on April 22, 2011, 10:58:56 AM
Ask ko lang po kasi yung mga narerecord ko eh mahina kumpara sa mga CD na pinapatugtog ko. Paano ko kaya siya mapapalakasan ng hindi nadidisort yung sound?
Record levels.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: erovin on April 22, 2011, 04:32:59 PM
Mag c-clip na siya pag nilakasan. Gusto ko yung na mix na, yun ang lalakasan ko, i-no-normalize ko lang ba?
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: sodein on April 23, 2011, 06:54:12 AM
all i want to know is how to produce a radio ready music. kasi everfytime na pinapatugtog yung music ko sa fm locally, pag papasok lahat ng mga instruments, or babagsak silang lahat, biglang humnina parng nasasakal. sa intro lang siya ok. meron bang problema sa compression or limiting?..ok namn yung mga comercial music e.
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Post by: juanandreti on April 23, 2011, 08:02:22 AM
I want to have a good knowledge about MASTERING. :)
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on April 23, 2011, 09:58:58 AM
all i want to know is how to produce a radio ready music. kasi everfytime na pinapatugtog yung music ko sa fm locally, pag papasok lahat ng mga instruments, or babagsak silang lahat, biglang humnina parng nasasakal. sa intro lang siya ok. meron bang problema sa compression or limiting?..ok namn yung mga comercial music e.
First up, know that radios have their own compressor just before it hits the transmitter so if you can hear levels decreasing, then you haven't had your opus mastered properly. My guess is that low frequencies are to blame, coupled with poor monitor speakers that do not reproduce the low end of the audio spectrum during the 'mastering stage'.
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Post by: sodein on April 23, 2011, 12:49:07 PM
wow thank you very much for that good suggestion sir. so what should you suggest during compression and limitation? maybe my speaker monitor is not good. ill have to change it.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on April 25, 2011, 08:31:41 AM
This is where a spectrum analyzer comes in handy. Look at the portions where all instruments come in. That way, you can identify the frequency thats probably causing the station compressor to kick in. My guess is its a low frequency that your monitors do not reproduce.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: imacRuel1 on April 26, 2011, 09:34:42 PM
Mga Sirs...ask ko lang po kung posible po ang multi-track recording like drums sa Audio Interface na may 2 ins/outs lang? Do I need to create a separate bus for each mono track? Kahit na limited lang ang ins/outs?
Yung pic ng AI ko ay nasa taas po (Creative Soundblaster Digital Music SX)...Maraming Salamat po! :-)
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on April 27, 2011, 08:32:01 AM
Mga Sirs...ask ko lang po kung posible po ang multi-track recording like drums sa Audio Interface na may 2 ins/outs lang?
You can only record 2 channels at a time or a stereo recording of the entire kit. Best compromise is to either record the overheads as a stereo track, or kick drum mic and one overhead. No need for separate busses for the former while the latter configuration allows you to control the kick via a mono track. Unfortunately for the stereo track, the kick will be lacking any punch in that recording, but it can be used for jazz where emphasis on the kick isn't that great. By careful placement of the overheads, you may be able to capture a full spectrum of the entire set, but it will still be a compromise.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: imacRuel1 on April 27, 2011, 10:33:55 AM
@ Sir KitC... Salamat po sa reply!... Ngayon "I can safely say" na kailangan ko talaga bumili ng AI na multi I/O para ma-accomodate yung full band recording... I'm eyeing for a Tascam US-1800...w/c is around 299 US dollars only. In the meantime, pag-aralan ko na lang muna mabuti yung mga DAW na meron ako sa PC... and these are Cubase 5 & Sonar 8 PE... :roll:
More questions to come regarding Sonar 8... base sa mga una mong reply sa thread na to... yun ang pinakagamay n'yong gamitin na DAW... THANKS! :-)
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on April 27, 2011, 10:54:28 AM
8 mic preamps for $299? I'd say go for it! That's inexpensive compared to my Emu 1820m which I got 5 yrs ago. Just make sure to look around the tascam forums and other audio forums to see if there are any gotchas with these devices, esp. the preamps and other quirks it might have. Kinda like the emu when they said patchmix was difficult to understand but was quite easy once you get a hang of it.
As for Sonar, I usually find myself using early versions for midi. Like I find that I work faster in S4 for midi compared to later versions; more of like using S4 for initial ideas them moving on to S8 when I want to do audio and 64-bit operations. I find that the plugins in S8 to be very capable, esp their VC64 and LP64.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: imacRuel1 on April 27, 2011, 01:17:18 PM
8 mic preamps for $299? I'd say go for it! That's inexpensive compared to my Emu 1820m which I got 5 yrs ago. Just make sure to look around the tascam forums and other audio forums to see if there are any gotchas with these devices, esp. the preamps and other quirks it might have. Kinda like the emu when they said patchmix was difficult to understand but was quite easy once you get a hang of it.
As for Sonar, I usually find myself using early versions for midi. Like I find that I work faster in S4 for midi compared to later versions; more of like using S4 for initial ideas them moving on to S8 when I want to do audio and 64-bit operations. I find that the plugins in S8 to be very capable, esp their VC64 and LP64.
Yup...not to mention the other 2 mic/instrument inputs alongside the 8 xlrs in the front panel..I'd say it's a big bang for the buck! Will do as you told good Sir! Thanks muchly!
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: Xelly on May 04, 2011, 01:55:12 AM
Para saan at ano ang nagagawa ng "normalize" na audio process sa mga DAW? :-D
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on May 04, 2011, 10:10:47 AM
Para saan at ano ang nagagawa ng "normalize" na audio process sa mga DAW? :-D
Normalizing is a process that scans the highest peak in a track or wav file, then raises the overall volume level of that file/track to 0 dB, or whatever value you assign it to. Of course, if the highest peak is already at 0 dB, then normalizing does nothing. Supposing the highest peak in a file is at -6 dB then you normalize it to 0 dB, every value in that file gets raised by 6 dB; even the 'silent' portions. This means that any recorded noise will also be raised by the normalize value. Think of normalizing as something like gain, but you can not exceed 0 dB when normalizing.
It's very tempting to normalize each track so that you get an overall louder mix, but remember that the absolute volume level at the master out can never exceed 0 dB full scale. Imagine what the output will be if every track is normalized (I can imagine that Metallica waveform again). Digital output distortion is NOT a good thing.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: Xelly on May 04, 2011, 10:18:07 AM
^^^ Yes yes yes!!! Maraming salamat sir Kit!!! Followup questio. Saan the best ginagamit ang 'normalize'?
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on May 04, 2011, 10:26:35 AM
I use it on an exported mix if I want to check 'how loud can it go'. It does tend to make compression artifacts noticeable since the file is at it's 'loudest', and it also raises the overall noise floor of a file.
I sometimes use normalization to check my dithering algorithms, but only when I'm being OC about the silent portions of a mix. With the advent of good compression plugins today, I very rarely use normalize anymore.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: Xelly on May 04, 2011, 10:41:25 AM
I use it on an exported mix if I want to check 'how loud can it go'. It does tend to make compression artifacts noticeable since the file is at it's 'loudest', and it also raises the overall noise floor of a file.
I sometimes use normalization to check my dithering algorithms, but only when I'm being OC about the silent portions of a mix. With the advent of good compression plugins today, I very rarely use normalize anymore.
+1. Thanks sir Kit!! :-D
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: tamooghie on May 24, 2011, 04:31:08 PM
mga ser, san po yung workshop nyo? how much would be the course fee?
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: tamooghie on May 24, 2011, 04:40:38 PM
sirs, can i be invited/come to the workshop?
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on May 24, 2011, 04:46:37 PM
mga ser, san po yung workshop nyo? how much would be the course fee?
One of our forumers, mikep, may be conducting a workshop soon. I used to teach audio post production at CSB but I have a day job that takes a lot of my time now.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: imacRuel1 on May 24, 2011, 07:42:21 PM
Count me in Sir KitC! :-)
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: jazzer182001 on May 29, 2011, 09:00:48 AM
One immediate and obvious suggestion is to break down to related subjects/topics
- Tracking. Signal chain, mic selection, mic placement.
- Editing
- Mixing
Gerry
wanna set up home recording studio? pag me budget ka 20 k pwede na! oll u need at least p4 computer dual monitor. marami mabibili sa quiapo 6k lng, bili ka avi usb producers microphone pro with pro tools package..6k lng taz bili ka beringer pro headphone 6 k din! ung 2k magcheck in ka sa may sound proof room na hotel ayus na ang recording project sa album mo! wag kau niwala sa maraming set up set up na yan! nasa tenga at creativity lang yan! mas maganda pa latest tech enhanced audio quality! un na un! musical arrange ment ba kelangan u? download u banbd in a box dun u gawin ang arrangent then revoice it with yamaha midi enhancer. tapos na. la kang binayaran
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on May 30, 2011, 08:56:14 AM
band in a box... been there, done that. why do you think i now use sonar?
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: allrock on June 03, 2011, 09:53:24 AM
ano po yung compact mixer na mura lang pero andun na lahat yung hanap mo
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: skin on June 03, 2011, 01:49:31 PM
ano po yung compact mixer na mura lang pero andun na lahat yung hanap mo
Ang tanong eh ano hinahanap mo sa compact mixer?
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: samuelfianza on June 04, 2011, 02:10:26 AM
I'm planning to buy a Guitar-interface (only 1 input).
but my question is, Is there a point buying a 1-input interface if I already have No problem using Onboard Sound? I can already get my preferred sound just using the MOBO's built in sound card, so will a 1-input interface improve my recording in some ways (except for latency issues)?
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: allrock on June 04, 2011, 08:19:11 PM
balak ko po kase mag home recording ang meron lang po ako dito eh computer lang po anu po ba kailangan ko bali mga rap song yung gusto ko record
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on June 04, 2011, 08:19:23 PM
If your onboard does low latency asio or WDM, then you shouldn't have much of a problem, until you start monitoring your inputs in real time, that is. It's very rare nowadays to find onboard sound with asio drivers. Most I've seen were MME, and WDM latency performance wasn't so good. Then there is the relatively high noise...
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: samuelfianza on June 07, 2011, 05:56:59 PM
Ano ang gamit ng mixer? pag 1-track lang kelangan pa ba ng mixer?
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: Xelly on June 07, 2011, 07:14:33 PM
^^ Hindi na kailangan. :-)
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on June 08, 2011, 01:59:19 PM
Ano ang gamit ng mixer? pag 1-track lang kelangan pa ba ng mixer?
Depends.
Lets say you only have a stereo input card. Technically that's 2 mono channels so you can feasibly record 2 different sounds at the same time. That's ok if you have only 2 sources to record, like say your voice and a guitar. But what if you want to add some keyboards? Or maybe do a stereo recording of an entire band for a simple demo?
A stereo only card cannot accommodate more than 2 inputs so if you want to add a another keyboard or 2 to the mix, you will find yourself patching the additional sound sources to your soundcard every single time. That's where a mixer comes in, when you have more inputs than your soundcard allows.
Pwede rin going mixerless, but this is applicable in soundcards with 4 or more inputs.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: pualux on June 12, 2011, 09:48:25 PM
i'm curious, do you guys still mic an amp to get the guitar sound or do you just use programs to make the distorted/clean/effects sound?
and regarding programing drums, what programs do you usually use?
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: skin on June 12, 2011, 10:01:48 PM
wanna set up home recording studio? pag me budget ka 20 k pwede na! oll u need at least p4 computer dual monitor. marami mabibili sa quiapo 6k lng, bili ka avi usb producers microphone pro with pro tools package..6k lng taz bili ka beringer pro headphone 6 k din! ung 2k magcheck in ka sa may sound proof room na hotel ayus na ang recording project sa album mo! wag kau niwala sa maraming set up set up na yan! nasa tenga at creativity lang yan! mas maganda pa latest tech enhanced audio quality! un na un! musical arrange ment ba kelangan u? download u banbd in a box dun u gawin ang arrangent then revoice it with yamaha midi enhancer. tapos na. la kang binayaran
could be a good idea pag hindi full band ang recording. yung tipong isang tao lang plus one instrument.
does anyone here use fruity loops?
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: Xelly on June 22, 2011, 01:21:17 AM
could be a good idea pag hindi full band ang recording. yung tipong isang tao lang plus one instrument.
does anyone here use fruity loops?
FL user here!! MGa 5years na ata!! :-D
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: x_taxi on June 22, 2011, 03:54:13 PM
fl studio fruity edition 10! the best USD99 i've ever spent. i've built my studio from the paid work i did with it. future updates free for life pa!
\m/
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: --randz-- on June 23, 2011, 01:59:50 PM
hi sir kit c
need help again... i just bought avid home recording (m-audio fast track with pro tools se)
question po...
1. i'm connecting my m-audio fast track (yung sa back panel rca out to my amplifier rca in)...isa lang po ang tumutunog... its either left or right speaker.. ayaw tumunog ng sabay.. ano po kaya problem nun..? kapag sa earphone ako nag-connect (front panel ng fast track) ok naman.
2. ano po ba ang best reference monitor speaker yung tama lang sa budget? ok po ba mag-monitor sa headphone lang like m-audio studiophile q40 headphone...? or the best pa din ang reference monitor?
3. meron po kaming bardl condenser microphone... mas ok po ba yung Behringer C1 condenser mic..
Again, Thanks in advance. :-)
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: skin on June 23, 2011, 02:20:57 PM
1. i'm connecting my m-audio fast track (yung sa back panel rca out to my amplifier rca in)...isa lang po ang tumutunog... its either left or right speaker.. ayaw tumunog ng sabay.. ano po kaya problem nun..? kapag sa earphone ako nag-connect (front panel ng fast track) ok naman.
Try a different rca cable.
2. ano po ba ang best reference monitor speaker yung tama lang sa budget? ok po ba mag-monitor sa headphone lang like m-audio studiophile q40 headphone...? or the best pa din ang reference monitor?
For the budget, M-audio bx5a.
3. meron po kaming bardl condenser microphone... mas ok po ba yung Behringer C1 condenser mic..
Let your ears decide on this.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: samuelfianza on June 29, 2011, 10:07:27 AM
Sinubukan kong mag record ng acoustic Guitar gamit ang dynamic mic. Pero mahina yung narerecord, ok naman yung tone.
Ano po ang ikakabit Between the Mic and PC para lumakas?
Mic > ??? > PC
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: skin on June 29, 2011, 10:21:17 AM
Like!! Magkano ba ito ngayon sa mga suking tindahan mga sir? Gusto ko sana yung nasa classifieds kaso biglang nabili na. :lol:
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: francisnuega on August 13, 2011, 02:07:22 AM
good day sir! gusto ko po malaman kung paano gumawa ng maayos na soundproofing sa isang room na pwedeng gawing home studio...like yung materials, placements, etc. maraming salamat po!
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: Xelly on August 13, 2011, 11:39:15 PM
good day sir! gusto ko po malaman kung paano gumawa ng maayos na soundproofing sa isang room na pwedeng gawing home studio...like yung materials, placements, etc. maraming salamat po!
Bro SUPER marami kang matututunan dito: http://talk.philmusic.com/board/index.php/topic,31588.0.html (http://talk.philmusic.com/board/index.php/topic,31588.0.html)
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: bemorchestrator on August 18, 2011, 06:35:04 AM
Hi guys,
I scanned through this topic and it's quite interesting... May I suggest a few things here which I think in my humble opinion has been overlooked.
First What is the purpose of the studio or recording set-up or whatever you call that? Is it only for voice dubbing? Or is it for live recording of a few musicians? The point is, the purpose of your set-up will determine the next things to be discussed
After deciding on your purpose, you may now reconsider your budget... Is this forum for a professional recording studio? Or is it only for a home studio? Or a bedroom studio? You need to be very specific in creating workshops for this since each design of a studio matters. The room acoustic is a very broad, hard and yet I think the most important thing to consider when you've decided what to set-up.
Before buying your hard wares and other gadgets, you need to have discussions on room acoustics depending on what type of set-up you have in mind!
Second What is the scope of your workshop? What musicians are to benefit from it? Mic Techniques really differ from case to case for example, are you planning on recording a choir? Or a band? Or a string chamber?
So many things to really discuss before you get to the topic of MIXING, EFFECTS, COMPRESSOR and others... Right now I can think a whole lot of other stuffs to discuss in details and it would fill an entire book.
I agree with discussing what is sound first, all of us must learn how to understand the nature of sound waves and the issues you need to learn involving sound waves from phasing issues to others alike.
I hope this helps.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: alien_inside on August 18, 2011, 11:22:22 AM
I scanned through this topic and it's quite interesting... May I suggest a few things here which I think in my humble opinion has been overlooked.
First What is the purpose of the studio or recording set-up or whatever you call that? Is it only for voice dubbing? Or is it for live recording of a few musicians? The point is, the purpose of your set-up will determine the next things to be discussed
After deciding on your purpose, you may now reconsider your budget... Is this forum for a professional recording studio? Or is it only for a home studio? Or a bedroom studio? You need to be very specific in creating workshops for this since each design of a studio matters. The room acoustic is a very broad, hard and yet I think the most important thing to consider when you've decided what to set-up.
Before buying your hard wares and other gadgets, you need to have discussions on room acoustics depending on what type of set-up you have in mind!
Second What is the scope of your workshop? What musicians are to benefit from it? Mic Techniques really differ from case to case for example, are you planning on recording a choir? Or a band? Or a string chamber?
So many things to really discuss before you get to the topic of MIXING, EFFECTS, COMPRESSOR and others... Right now I can think a whole lot of other stuffs to discuss in details and it would fill an entire book.
I agree with discussing what is sound first, all of us must learn how to understand the nature of sound waves and the issues you need to learn involving sound waves from phasing issues to others alike.
I hope this helps.
there are separate topics, forum and thread for each...to avoid confusion.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: ogagka0606 on August 18, 2011, 11:03:51 PM
magandang gabi!!
mga sir, tanong ko lang kung anong magagawa ng high pass filter sa condenser mic? meron kasi siyang switch sa loob.
maraming salamat!
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: Xelly on August 19, 2011, 12:29:04 AM
mga sir, tanong ko lang kung anong magagawa ng high pass filter sa condenser mic? meron kasi siyang switch sa loob.
maraming salamat!
Ang pagkakaalam ko sir is pinapadaan niya yung high frequencies and nififilter niya yung low frequencies. Lagi kong ginagamit yung high pass filter when I'm recording vocals. SM58 kasi gamit kong mic. Masyadong nagkacut sa mix yung vocals kung mataba yung tunog.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: alien_inside on August 19, 2011, 12:35:47 PM
ito yun sa madaling salita ( or mahabang usapan )
HIGH PASS - hindi naka-block ang high frequencies LOW PASS - hindi naka-block ang low frequencies
HIGH CUT / LOW CUT - just the reverse the PASS.
yung BYPASS, iba yun hehe... tsaka wala ring BYCUT!
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: Xelly on August 19, 2011, 01:17:00 PM
Ang pagkakaalam ko sir is pinapadaan niya yung high frequencies and nififilter niya yung low frequencies. Lagi kong ginagamit yung high pass filter when I'm recording vocals. SM58 kasi gamit kong mic. Masyadong nagkacut sa mix yung vocals kung mataba yung tunog.
pero sir, anong pinagkaiba ng high pass filter sa loob ng mic, tsaka doon sa high pass filter ng DAW?
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: lowtuneduser on August 23, 2011, 11:40:26 PM
sir KitC and others,question lang.
tanong ko lang kung pano ba talaga gawin in Reaper 4 ung left and right guitars,kase ginawa ko na lahat ng nabasa ko pero ganun pa din.
kase kahit naka hard left or right na ung guitar may tunog pa din sa kabila na mahina,gusto ko kase sana yung parang nagsasagutan ung gitara.
help anyone please? ung step by step from scratch sana,from inserting a track kase madame na talaga ko ginawa wala pa din epekto.
sobrang thanks.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: samuelfianza on August 23, 2011, 11:45:10 PM
^ baka Mono lang yung speakers mo?
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: lowtuneduser on August 24, 2011, 12:47:28 AM
altec atp3 gamit ko,pano malalaman kung mono speaker?kase kahit sa earphone hindi nag hihiwalay yung gitara.
Turn off in your audio control panel (or mixer), any setting that emulates headphones or some other environmental effect. Go for default settings, no reverb and no EQ of any kind.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: lowtuneduser on August 25, 2011, 01:21:48 AM
@KitC - naka default lang yung audio properties ko sir.-
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on August 26, 2011, 08:29:55 AM
Are you recording to a mono track as the others have mentioned? Are there any ambient/delay fx in the inserts? And what about your routing? It may be going to a stereo aux track?
Last thing, what about your physical routing? Is this straight to headphones or does it pass through a mixer? And what soundcard/interface are you using? (i hope it's not a 'blaster or some other)
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: lowtuneduser on August 26, 2011, 03:56:45 PM
Are you recording to a mono track as the others have mentioned? Are there any ambient/delay fx in the inserts? And what about your routing? It may be going to a stereo aux track?
Last thing, what about your physical routing? Is this straight to headphones or does it pass through a mixer? And what soundcard/interface are you using? (i hope it's not a 'blaster or some other)
this are my settings for my guitar tracks (REAPER 4):
*Guitar 1A Fx - Amp Simulator - Kefir Cab Impulse Loader i/o - Master Send (CHECKED) - Parent Channel (1-2) <---- don't know how to use that. - Track Channel (2) <--- same as parent. - panned left (100%) - width (0%) *Guitar 2A - (Same except panning = 75% L) <-- even if i changed that to 100% theres still a bleeding
*Guitar 1B Fx - Amp Simulator - Kefir Cab Impulse Loader i/o - Master Send (CHECKED) - Parent Channel (1-2) <---- don't know how to use that. - Track Channel (2) <--- same as parent. - panned right (100%) - width (0%) *Guitar 2B - (Same except panning = 75% R) <-- even if i changed that to 100% theres still a bleeding
*STEREO INPUT HD Audio Mixed Capture 1/HD Audio Mixed Capture 2 (drop down menu from each tracks)
MASTER No Fx Output - Stereo i/o - Center Pan - width (0%)
Audio Hardware Ouput (All of them) - HD Audio Speaker 1/HD Audio Speaker 2
Guitar connected straight to built-in soundcard (Realtek HD) no mixer or something and with Asio.
My speaker is Altec ATP3.
Is there something I missed?
salamat salamat salamat.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: lowtuneduser on August 27, 2011, 04:23:35 AM
sir KitC eto may napansin ako, if unchecked yung master send sa both tracks effective yung panning. pag L panned wala talaga tunog sa right pero pag naka send na sa master nagkakaron ng bleeding. ano kaya problem sa master at nagkakaroon ng bleeding? wala naman akong ibang makitang settings para sa master.
pwede bang mag render na naka off yung maste? i mean hindi ko siya gagamitin or kelangan talaga kasama ang master? kase hindi ko alam kung ano dapat iset sa master para magawa yung panning na pag disabled siya.
thanks.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: samuelfianza on November 06, 2011, 09:26:12 PM
Yung width try mo gawing 100% kasi ganun yung saakin.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: child309 on November 17, 2011, 03:23:51 PM
Ano po bang mas tama?
mic > compressor > equalizer > audio interface mic > equalizer > compressor > audio interface
tnx
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: child309 on November 17, 2011, 03:44:39 PM
Chaka need po ba tlga ng pre amp pag record ng mic?
Eto po kasi current setup ko..
mic > m-audio interface USB > PC
eh parang nawawala/nababawasan quality pag via software/program ang eq at compress kaya im thinking of buying yung hardware talaga..
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: Xelly on November 17, 2011, 10:44:29 PM
Chaka need po ba tlga ng pre amp pag record ng mic?
Eto po kasi current setup ko..
mic > m-audio interface USB > PC
eh parang nawawala/nababawasan quality pag via software/program ang eq at compress kaya im thinking of buying yung hardware talaga..
Go for it bro!! Check my sig!! :-D
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: child309 on November 19, 2011, 11:12:24 AM
Tnx Xelly! Kita ko na sig mo pero mas interested ako sa strings and cleaner mo.. PM nalang kita.. :-)
Question po ulit..
Pano nyo naka capture yung kalanseng ng acoutic guitar? yung mga higher hi freq sound.. dapat ba hi pass filter agad bago pumasok sa PC? Kasi dinadaya ko lang sa plugin using exciter tapos presence.. Kaso parang fake na yung sound..
Do i need to acquire a special mic to capture that kalanseng sound?
Tnx!
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: alien_inside on November 21, 2011, 09:16:41 AM
Tnx Xelly! Kita ko na sig mo pero mas interested ako sa strings and cleaner mo.. PM nalang kita.. :-)
Question po ulit..
Pano nyo naka capture yung kalanseng ng acoutic guitar? yung mga higher hi freq sound.. dapat ba hi pass filter agad bago pumasok sa PC? Kasi dinadaya ko lang sa plugin using exciter tapos presence.. Kaso parang fake na yung sound..
Do i need to acquire a special mic to capture that kalanseng sound?
Tnx!
Use two microphones...
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on November 22, 2011, 11:52:56 AM
Use a good condenser to get a bright, clean sound. record in a relatively live room; not a completely dead sounding booth. you can use 2 condensers but take care of phasing issues.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: ckor10 on December 05, 2011, 09:54:56 PM
sirs!!bago lng po ako d2hahaha ask nmn ng tulong!gus2 ko magtayo samen ng mini studio!!ang hirap mag search sa internet eh!!ang gugulo!!plan ko po!!good audio interface pra sa recording sa pc!!DAW ko lng po audacity nagtitipid lng po ako eh!!!then good mixer pra po pag jamming kme ng mga pinsan ko!!the nset up ko po!mixer to audio interface bale 1 track lng po!!2nd choice ko po ung alesis multimix 8 fx2.o!!hnd ko pa po alam ung price eh!!ask ko p po sa jb kun ksma sa discount nla!!kasom mas gus2 ko po ung setup na mixer and audio interface na 2.0 speed!!then mic k lng po sm57 haha gipit p kc tlgah!!mga budget ko po 15 k!!wla p po kc ako trabaho eh!!need help guys!!thnk u po!!help nmn po for beginners!!
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on December 08, 2011, 12:43:51 PM
iwas lang sa text writing... mahirap basahin at wala naman 140 character limit ang PM.
pwede na ang audacity pero try mo rin ang reaper. full version naman syapero may nag screen hangga't wala ka pang license.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: pualux on December 16, 2011, 02:04:04 PM
Hi i have this theoretical question since wala pa yung mga gamit ko.
What if gusto ko magrecord using a usb modeller(guitar) like the pod or the axe fx then only use that for recording, I want to use a separate usb interface to connect my studio monitors into, the reason being that I don't want the modeller to be a permanent piece in my desk, so if wala yung modeller atleast I can still use my studio monitors using the separate usb interface like a fast track. Is this possible?
so I guess my question is, can you assign 2 sound cards to do separate jobs?
and if this is possible, will I be experiencing some latency if while tracking, I record through the pod/axefx then monitor with the fast track?
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on December 16, 2011, 03:02:13 PM
so I guess my question is, can you assign 2 sound cards to do separate jobs?
Yes you can but aside from being unwieldy, there is the question of drivers.
For one thing, if you are using an interface that is primarily asio, you can only address one device at a time. So if your main interface is the fast track, you cannot use the pod/axe simultaneously. Exceptions are certain M-audio and RME devices, I believe, but the rule of thumb is one-device-at-a-time. Of course, you can shift to using WDM if your software allows it, but at a cost of sync between devices and, quite possibly, higher latency values. Of course, if you are only monitoring from the device, then latency isn't so much of a problem. It's only during recording that latency is critical.
Another problem is how to monitor. Assuming you have 2 different usb devices, then you will have to connect both to your monitors since usb prefers to output sound to the device that is presently record enabled. Again, you can bypass this problem by using WDM but with the corresponding latency penalty. Don't think that asio4all is the answer, though. It has a 'hidden' latency of 11 ms that cannot be address by any software workaround.
Btw, IIRC, the fast track has a high-Z input for plugging a guitar directly. It ain't no POD though.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: appleseed on December 16, 2011, 03:08:45 PM
anong application ang pwede kong gamitin to record sa webcam and multieffects?
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on December 16, 2011, 03:27:39 PM
anong application ang pwede kong gamitin to record sa webcam and multieffects?
Do you mean sabay recording ng video at audio? You will need something like Final Cut (kung mac), Premiere or Vegas.
Normally, we dub audio after video recording, however.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: pualux on December 16, 2011, 05:32:01 PM
@kitc thanks boss, I see na hindi nga practical yung iniisip ko, I'll probably just have to transfer the cables manually nalang para isang interface at a time nalang.
and lastly, what studio monitors can you recommend that's available locally? and what machine do you personally use? I'm thinking bout upgrading, would the imac be sufficient for music production? I'm using a windows 7 laptop now but i'm thinking bout buying a desktop computer dedicated to my pseudo studio :D
thanks boss! :wave:
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on December 17, 2011, 01:49:05 PM
You can use an imac, practically a lot of people I know use a mac/imac as their main audio computer. The only problem will be with software.
You are limited to using Garageband, Logic, Pro Tools and Cubase/Nuendo. For best portability between windows and mac, I suggest Pro Tools or Cubase/Nuendo. One MD I know of uses an imac/Cubase platform and he's been quite satisfied with the setup. If you will be sample-based, however, windows platforms seem to be better because of less problems with 64-bit addressing (this is from practical experience using Play). Also note that Lion is not yet mature as an O/S for music production. Some mac users I know of still stay with SL just to avoid problems, esp. when using Logic.
Remember, its always the software you will use that will determine which computer platform you end up with.
Monitors? Try the KRK Rokits. They sound good for the size. Also consider the Mackie MR5 or MR8 if the HR is a wee bit expensive.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: bindoy on December 19, 2011, 01:09:35 PM
ok ang KRK rokits. slash lang kaunti low end . pero maliban dun, medyo makatotohanan na siya. :) musta sir kitC long time no see
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on December 19, 2011, 04:27:08 PM
Ok naman bindoy. Kelan ka punta HK?
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: bindoy on December 22, 2011, 11:52:34 AM
25-30
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: packyshingha on February 02, 2012, 01:47:37 AM
mga bossing ask ko lang kung anong usually configuration nyo sa compressor for vocals?? medyo ndi ko pa kasi makapa ang settings para dito.. sana masagot nyo... thanks.. :)
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: skin on February 02, 2012, 10:31:44 AM
mga bossing ask ko lang kung anong usually configuration nyo sa compressor for vocals?? medyo ndi ko pa kasi makapa ang settings para dito.. sana masagot nyo... thanks.. :)
Basta walang noise. Kapain mo na lang. Depende rin iyan sa panlasa mo.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: packyshingha on February 02, 2012, 01:52:05 PM
Basta walang noise. Kapain mo na lang. Depende rin iyan sa panlasa mo.
ah okay thanks Boss.. Sige kapain ko na lang..
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: mikep on February 02, 2012, 08:51:17 PM
Set your Ratio at 4:1 or 3:1 or 5:1. Set your Attack time as Medium, your release as Slow. Threshold at -10. then, kapain mo and find out the better adjustments for different types of songs. Make small adjustments for each control until things are pleasing to you. Walang set settings for compressor/limiters. Everything is variable and depends on how it sounds to you. Starting settings lang itong mga sinabi ko. Good luck.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: packyshingha on February 02, 2012, 09:34:48 PM
Set your Ratio at 4:1 or 3:1 or 5:1. Set your Attack time as Medium, your release as Slow. Threshold at -10. then, kapain mo and find out the better adjustments for different types of songs. Make small adjustments for each control until things are pleasing to you. Walang set settings for compressor/limiters. Everything is variable and depends on how it sounds to you. Starting settings lang itong mga sinabi ko. Good luck.
Ah thank you Boss.. makakatulong eto.. try ko pagAralan ang settings ko.. kasi po dati tinataasan ko lang din ratio and ung gain.. inaalis ko ung auto-gain .heheh.. . thanks.. :)
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on February 20, 2012, 12:14:48 PM
mga boss pwede bang gumana ang dalawang fasttrack ultra 8r sa isang unit? bale 16 inputs na lahat?
asio4all
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: pualux on May 22, 2012, 11:49:08 PM
Hi, just pulled the trigger and finally got a macbook pro, anyway usb audio interface nanaman hinahanap ko, apogee one yung plan ko bilhin but i figured id ask here first baka may mga bagong device na better value for money...
And may latency ba when monitoring while recording kung usb interfscengamit?
Kung firewire interface wala ba talaga latency pag nagmomonitor while recording ?
Sensya na kung mali yung mga terms na gamit ko, im not too savvy with audio tech jargon
Thanks
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: skin on May 23, 2012, 10:17:43 AM
Hi, just pulled the trigger and finally got a macbook pro, anyway usb audio interface nanaman hinahanap ko, apogee one yung plan ko bilhin but i figured id ask here first baka may mga bagong device na better value for money...
And may latency ba when monitoring while recording kung usb interfscengamit?
Kung firewire interface wala ba talaga latency pag nagmomonitor while recording ?
Sensya na kung mali yung mga terms na gamit ko, im not too savvy with audio tech jargon
Thanks
There will be always latency but it's tolerable. Unless there's direct monitoring in which you hear unprocessed sound with no latency.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on May 23, 2012, 11:48:52 AM
Kung firewire interface wala ba talaga latency pag nagmomonitor while recording ?
This is a myth. Aside from direct monitoring, which is only available via interfaces that use asio (not all interfaces support direct monitoring though), latency is also directly affected by your cpu. The more powerful the cpu, the lower you can go latency-wise.
Since FW interfaces do not poll the cpu as often as usb does, you could get better latency performance. What I would like to see are figures for USB3 though.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: makoykoy29 on May 25, 2012, 01:21:01 AM
magandang gabi..dito na lang ako magtatanong..kakabili ko pa lang avid m audio fast track..nagstart pa lang ako sa recording..bakit
kaya pag nagrerecord na ko..maya maya..super distorted na yung lumalabas sa monitor..ok naman yung quality pag nirecord..pag plinay ok pa din..maya maya distorted na yung lumalabas..ginagawa ko nagququit ako sa application..tpos bubuksan ko uli..umookey naman..kaso pano kaya di na magkakaganun yung tunog..2nd question..pwede po bang nasa isang pc lang ung sony acid na software tsaka pro tools?hindi naman siya sabay gagamitin.. eto specs pc ko..baka may connection..pacomment na lang po..salamat..(MSI CX480) Powered by : a 2.10GHz Intel Core i3-2310M or Intel Core i5-2410M 2.30GHz Processor Graphics card : GeForce GT 520 1GB Hard Drive : 320GB up to 640GB SATA 5400rpm Display : 14-inch LED-backlit display with resolution of 1366 x 768 pixels RAM : 1GB DDR3 OS : Windows 7 Home Premium for operating system Features : 1.3 megapixel webcam, two 2W speakers, a DVD burner connectivity : 802.11 b/g/n WiFi, Gigabit Ethernet LAN, VGA output, two USB 2.0 ports, Bluetooth 3.0 Battery : 6-Cell Li-Ion (4400mAH) battery with to 8.5 hours of battery life measures in 343 x 240 x 25.1~31.2 mm with weight of 2.2 kg
God bless Philmusic!!
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: alien_inside on May 25, 2012, 05:43:43 AM
magandang gabi..dito na lang ako magtatanong..kakabili ko pa lang avid m audio fast track..nagstart pa lang ako sa recording..bakit
kaya pag nagrerecord na ko..maya maya..super distorted na yung lumalabas sa monitor..ok naman yung quality pag nirecord..pag plinay ok pa din..maya maya distorted na yung lumalabas..ginagawa ko nagququit ako sa application..tpos bubuksan ko uli..umookey naman..kaso pano kaya di na magkakaganun yung tunog..2nd question..pwede po bang nasa isang pc lang ung sony acid na software tsaka pro tools?hindi naman siya sabay gagamitin.. eto specs pc ko..baka may connection..pacomment na lang po..salamat..(MSI CX480) Powered by : a 2.10GHz Intel Core i3-2310M or Intel Core i5-2410M 2.30GHz Processor Graphics card : GeForce GT 520 1GB Hard Drive : 320GB up to 640GB SATA 5400rpm Display : 14-inch LED-backlit display with resolution of 1366 x 768 pixels RAM : 1GB DDR3 OS : Windows 7 Home Premium for operating system Features : 1.3 megapixel webcam, two 2W speakers, a DVD burner connectivity : 802.11 b/g/n WiFi, Gigabit Ethernet LAN, VGA output, two USB 2.0 ports, Bluetooth 3.0 Battery : 6-Cell Li-Ion (4400mAH) battery with to 8.5 hours of battery life measures in 343 x 240 x 25.1~31.2 mm with weight of 2.2 kg
God bless Philmusic!!
Nice specs hehehe! palitan mo kaya yung speaker???
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: pualux on May 25, 2012, 07:24:45 PM
Hi, went to jb to check out the apogees, another interface caught my eye, it was the focus rite i think, searched around the web about the saffire 6 and the scarlett 8i6
would you guys recommend them? and which is better, the saffire 6 or the scarlett 8i6?
scarlett's more expensive but konte lang difference so I'm asking if the 8i6 will be a better choice?
saffire's got 1.1usb while scarlett's got usb 2 but I don't know if that matters though...
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on May 26, 2012, 10:32:45 AM
what monitor are you using? your laptop specs are ok, but allow for an external drive to store your projects. since the MSI only has 1 drive, this will impact your track count greatly.
@pualux - I would prefer the Scarlet since it is usb2.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: makoykoy29 on May 27, 2012, 12:05:00 AM
thanx sir kit..bale wala pa po ko studio monitor..guitar amp lang,,pero sa iba naman hindi distorted..actually ok yung lumalabas pag umpisa ..after 10 mins. nadidistort na yung tunog kahit clean lang mga nirecord ko..
tanong ko din sana sir kit if pwede pagsamahin sony acid na software tska PT sa computer?..di ba makakaapekto yun kahit di mo naman sabay gagamitin? salamat po uli
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: skin on May 27, 2012, 08:45:55 AM
thanx sir kit..bale wala pa po ko studio monitor..guitar amp lang,,pero sa iba naman hindi distorted..actually ok yung lumalabas pag umpisa ..after 10 mins. nadidistort na yung tunog kahit clean lang mga nirecord ko..
tanong ko din sana sir kit if pwede pagsamahin sony acid na software tska PT sa computer?..di ba makakaapekto yun kahit di mo naman sabay gagamitin? salamat po uli
Di puede pagsabayin. Walang rewire ang Sony Acid. Render mo muna ang isa.
Also try using ASIO if you're using WDM. Crackling ata yung naririnig mo. Not distort.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: makoykoy29 on May 28, 2012, 08:44:37 AM
Sir skin salamat..big help..ginoogle ko yung crackling,wmd,tsaka ASIO..wala talaga ko alam sa mga ganyan..I think crackling nga yung naririnig ko based sa mga nabasa ko..God bless
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: skin on May 28, 2012, 10:01:11 PM
so naka ASIO ka na?
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on May 29, 2012, 09:11:53 PM
tanong ko din sana sir kit if pwede pagsamahin sony acid na software tska PT sa computer?
you might be thinking about Rewire where you can sync something like Reason with PT or any other DAW that supports Rewire. When using asio, you can't run 2 asio driven programs at the same time. PT LE uses RTAS while Acid can use WDM or asio. In theory, you can run both simultaneously, but both will be addressing the interface at the same time and some hardware have difficulty with this, not to mention the cpu hit both programs will impose.
If you have 2 separate interfaces in your pc, you can set one to RTAS while the other uses asio or WDM. Each program can address each interface separately but you will have to 'wire' them to each other so you can hear/record their outputs. That's one reason why I can't let go of my 1820m so easily - it allows me to run WDM and asio at the same time.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: punkasspunk on June 24, 2012, 05:08:58 AM
good day mga sir.. bago lang ako nag-aaral bout recording i don't have an audio interface now bout i'm planning to get an m-audio fast track what would you guys recommend? :-)
question : how do you get rid of unwanted noise our hiss or buzz and what is advisable, recording the guitar track with clean tone and applying the fx later or just apply the fx the first time? :-\
thanks sa response... :mrgreen:
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: pualux on June 25, 2012, 03:49:01 AM
boss when you record bass, rekta ba sa usb interface yun? or kelangan pa ba ng DI box or whatever, and ginagamitan niyo ba ng bass amp sim? or plain sound from the interface lang ang ginagamit niyo? thanks!
oh mic'ing an amp is out of the question since di ako pwede mag ingay dito sa'min :D
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: skin on June 25, 2012, 07:28:44 AM
boss when you record bass, rekta ba sa usb interface yun? or kelangan pa ba ng DI box or whatever, and ginagamitan niyo ba ng bass amp sim? or plain sound from the interface lang ang ginagamit niyo? thanks!
oh mic'ing an amp is out of the question since di ako pwede mag ingay dito sa'min :D
Direct mo na.
You can apply plugins after recording. Not during. May latency sigurado.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on June 25, 2012, 04:56:43 PM
boss when you record bass, rekta ba sa usb interface yun?
Some usb interfaces accept instrument level inputs while most are line level only. If you use one by Line6 or M-audio, for instance, which have a clearly marked guitar/instrument level input, then you can connect bass guitars (and other guitars) directly. Some acoustics can be connected although I believe acoustics with piezo pickups may require a different form of preamp.
If the interface is line level only, a preamp is recommended. Most DI boxes output to mic level and not all usb interfaces have mic inputs.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: zero44 on August 02, 2012, 02:35:26 PM
^ this is exactly what i'm looking for..!
additional question lang po, decent po ba yung tunog kung ire-rekta ko po yung xlr out ng di box ko sa hd audio input ng pc ko? ano po yung mas okay na output kung papunta directly sa pc? yung xlr out or yung line out po?
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on August 02, 2012, 03:47:48 PM
ano po yung mas okay na output kung papunta directly sa pc? yung xlr out or yung line out po?
always LINE OUT to LINE IN please. xlrs will require a preamp.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: zero44 on August 03, 2012, 11:14:29 AM
Thanks for the quick response sir!! Now i'm really gasing for a usb audio interface! :)
additional question po ulit.. If im using an usb audio interface, required pa po ba ako mag upgrade ng soundcard ng pc..? Btw, for bass recording po sana to, kaya naisip ko din baka issue yung impedance and etc..
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: skin on August 03, 2012, 01:00:14 PM
Thanks for the quick response sir!! Now i'm really gasing for a usb audio interface! :)
additional question po ulit.. If im using an usb audio interface, required pa po ba ako mag upgrade ng soundcard ng pc..? Btw, for bass recording po sana to, kaya naisip ko din baka issue yung impedance and etc..
audio interface = soundcard
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: zero44 on August 03, 2012, 08:01:20 PM
sir kitC, actually hartke vxl po yung DI box ko.. meron na po syang preamp at the same time DI Box din sya.. so kung ipa-plug ko po sya directly sa audio input ng soundcard ko pwede po ba yun?
or kelangan ko pa din dumaan muna ng usb audio interface..?
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on August 03, 2012, 09:28:57 PM
Ok, try this.
The Hartke has a 1/4" line output. Get one of those 1/8" stereo to red/white RCA cables plus a couple of RCA-to-1/4" adapters. Plug the 1/8" to your computer's LINE IN, not mic in. Make sure your line inputs are active in your sound control panel/mixer applet.
Fire up your DAW and make sure your inputs are active. Add a mono track and assign the inputs.
By going this route, your bass sound will be dry and unprocessed, normally perfect for recording but it can be boring when you monitor the signal. One more thing, latency may (most likely will) be an issue. You can use asio4all in this case but I don't guarantee great performance. Btw, the Hartke has a parallel output. Route that to your bass amp for latency free monitoring.
If this works for you, then great. Use the opportunity to hone your recording chops. When the time comes that you want better recording performance, then go for a real interface.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: zero44 on August 06, 2012, 03:06:48 AM
^ tried it, works fine for me.. kaso yung ultra low frequency lang yung hindi nya ma-pickup..
siguro yung minimum na pinipickup nya is 100hz.. tried boosting most of the frequency below 100hz, walang nagbabago.. sa 100hz and above lang sya nagrereact.. di ko maalala kung ano yung highest frequency, pero usually pagdating ng 6k onwards, kinucut ko na.. or baka sa DAW ko na to, gusto ko din sana syang i-try sa pod farm, kaso kasi parang mas maraming editing tool yung amplitube?
actually works quite decent even without DAW kaso mas maganda pa din kung may konting modifications using DAWs tried it using Mixcraft and Amplitube..
here's my sample recording,
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btw, idk what happened when i upload to youtube.. naging undefined yung ibang frequency.. but the raw mp3 is quite decent..
EDIT: may mali din pala ako sa volume input ko dito nung ginawa ko.. nag add ako ng gain to the input and output para makuha yung desired volume so lumiliit yung dynamics ko.. pero nakuha ko na din sya nung nag experiment ako kanina.. napagmatch ko yung required volume without adding gain on the input sa DAW..
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on August 06, 2012, 09:12:22 AM
siguro yung minimum na pinipickup nya is 100hz.. tried boosting most of the frequency below 100hz, walang nagbabago.. sa 100hz and above lang sya nagrereact.. di ko maalala kung ano yung highest frequency, pero usually pagdating ng 6k onwards, kinucut ko na..
Most guitars have nothing going on below 100 Hz and above 6k Hz. Basses can go lower than 100 Hz and if your onboard audio can't pick that up, then you really need to consider a better audio interface, especially since you are recording bass guitar. As for the higher frequencies, some engineers boost that a little bit just to add some presence to the instrument.
Mixcraft is a great DAW software, and it is inexpensive compared to the big boys. Makes for a great alternative to Reaper. Youtube encoding does change the frequencies a bit because of their compression algorithms. Some people make specific mixes for youtube alone just because of that quirk.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: zero44 on August 06, 2012, 10:41:42 AM
^ tested it again with input volume matching DAW's required input.. meron pala akong 50hz..!
yung bass frequency kasi nung hartke vxl afaik is 50hz, and it reacts when i'm increasing and decreasing my bass knob..
yup, totally agree regarding the high-end presence.. tinetest ko sya ngayon kung ano yung highest frequency ko.. as far as my progress is concern, hangang 10khz nagrereact yung highs ko..
on the other hand, feel ko medyo nag-add kasi ng hiss yung frequency ko above 6khz kapag binoboost.. although siguro sa gamit ko din na interface..
EDIT: btw, i'm using it with POD farm right now..
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on August 06, 2012, 11:25:09 AM
on the other hand, feel ko medyo nag-add kasi ng hiss yung frequency ko above 6khz kapag binoboost.. although siguro sa gamit ko din na interface..
Lots of factors why hiss becomes apparent, among them high gain and 'noisy' electronics. Most people just add a few dB of boost between 2k and 5k. Anything above that is 'air', especially for a bass.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: zero44 on August 06, 2012, 11:41:04 AM
thanks sir!
btw sir, yung latency ko po sabi dun sa software ko kasi 3ms, okay na po ba yun? kaso medyo bumababa yung quality ko, nagiging 44100hz 16bit from 99600hz 16bit..
nung nagtry kasi ako magrecord ng slap with 20ms latency parang unsync yung slap ko dun sa backing track na gamit ko.. then nung tinry ko pa babaan pa yung latency then nag boost mode ako ng pc.. medyo nag sync na sya..
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: zero44 on August 06, 2012, 11:55:24 AM
^ btw regarding boosting 6khz and above.. yes, that's exactly what i'm experiencing.. it's not hiss/hum, its more of "air"
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on August 06, 2012, 02:05:32 PM
btw sir, yung latency ko po sabi dun sa software ko kasi 3ms, okay na po ba yun? kaso medyo bumababa yung quality ko, nagiging 44100hz 16bit from 99600hz 16bit..
Why record at 96kHz? That puts a big strain on your cpu. If you will be releasing your music at 44.1kHz, better to record at that sample rate. Less strain on your cpu, smaller file sizes, and no quantizing errors when changing sample rates. Technically, you will experience lower latencies at higher sample rates, but the strain on cpu utilization is tremendously greater compared to 44.1/48 kHz. Given a choice, I would rather record at 24-bit rather than 16-bit to take advantage of greater processing headroom. You recording at 16-bit may be a limitation of your gear at this time.
3ms is very good latency, but good luck adding fx esp. if you have a relatively weak cpu. Even I back down to 5ms during recording.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: zero44 on August 10, 2012, 10:46:08 PM
^ 16bit lang kasi yung kaya nung soundcard ko na medyo matino yung latency.. hehe ewan ko ba..
btw sir kit, tingin nyo okay po bang saksakan ng di box (hartke vxl) yung behringer ucg102? narinig ko kasi yung sound demo nya.. medyo low quality..
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on August 10, 2012, 10:55:44 PM
btw sir kit, tingin nyo okay po bang saksakan ng di box (hartke vxl) yung behringer ucg102? narinig ko kasi yung sound demo nya.. medyo low quality..
I'm not very fond of those low end Behringer interfaces... iffy drivers and questionable latency.
Better if you can afford a Line6 UX1 or UX2, or even a M-audio Fast Track. Solid drivers with good asio implementation.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: zero44 on August 10, 2012, 11:00:39 PM
i see, thanks! medyo sablay nga yung mga audio demo nya..
how about upgrade nalang ako ng internal soundcard ng pc ko to 32bit..? i saw one on tipidpc 150php lang naman.. 16bit lang pala talaga capacity ng hd input ko kaya pala 16bit lang yung input ko kapag nagrerecording..
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: Xelly on August 10, 2012, 11:03:14 PM
i see, thanks! medyo sablay nga yung mga audio demo nya..
how about upgrade nalang ako ng internal soundcard ng pc ko to 32bit..? i saw one on tipidpc 150php lang naman.. 16bit lang pala talaga capacity ng hd input ko kaya pala 16bit lang yung input ko kapag nagrerecording..
Wag bro. Go for UX1 gaya ng sabi ni sir Kit. Di ka magsisisi.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: zero44 on August 10, 2012, 11:08:48 PM
di pa afford e.. :-P
gusto ko din ng UX1 kaso ang mahal.. saka bass tracks lang naman nirerecord ko for covers..
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Post by: skin on August 11, 2012, 07:43:54 AM
i see, thanks! medyo sablay nga yung mga audio demo nya..
how about upgrade nalang ako ng internal soundcard ng pc ko to 32bit..? i saw one on tipidpc 150php lang naman.. 16bit lang pala talaga capacity ng hd input ko kaya pala 16bit lang yung input ko kapag nagrerecording..
Matinding upgrade yan. Anong soundcard yan?
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: skin on August 11, 2012, 07:46:07 AM
As an input device, it shouldn't be a problem with those. I have a Terratec Phono Preamp with line inputs that also serve the same function, but I don't use it anymore since we moved house and my kuya got our Lenco turntable <sniff>.
As long as we don't expect low latency and realtime monitoring from these behri interfaces, they can be quite functional.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: krizanto86 on August 14, 2012, 08:01:41 AM
any fans of 80's & early 90's analog/vinyl/cassette tape feel/tone for recording?
just a noob question...
Im trying to achieve this tone even though the recording equipment nowadays are modern. Will i get this tone using a 4 track tape recorder like this:
then transfer the tracks to a pc in a digital format?(so i could get a copy in a cassette tape & cd as well)
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on August 14, 2012, 11:21:40 AM
Well, you can go that route and try to track to tape, along with the resultant hiss, wow and flutter. Or you could just use the myriad of tape and tube simulators out there especially if you've got some recordings done digitally already. I admit it's no substitute for the real thing, but it also is difficult to get good analog gear nowadays. Between cassette and open reel tapes, open reel sounds much better to me unless you are using 'metal' tape cassettes. However, getting hold of open reel tapes and players can be a challenge today.
Remember, a great deal of recordings during the 80's were done on analog gear, and digital recording was just at its infancy then. Still, a lot of people pine for the sound of tubes and tapes but to get hold of the gear is very expensive. That's why people result to DSP to get the same feel. While it's not the same thing as true analog, your listeners won't know the difference in most cases.
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Post by: child309 on September 03, 2012, 09:22:39 AM
Sir kunware budget is not an issue.. Whats the best condenser mic for vocals na recommended?
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: skin on September 03, 2012, 04:18:05 PM
Makakabili ka na ng decent 2nd hand car sa presyo niyan!!! :eek:
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Post by: --randz-- on September 07, 2012, 03:24:32 PM
hi sir kitc. medyo matagal akong nawala sa thread na to..
ito na po yung new DAW set up ko.
i'm using now an avid recording studio..m-audio fast track including pro-tools le but i'm using cakewalk sonar since medyo kabisado ko na...yung monitor speakers na gamit ko as of now is a pair of speaker from our old component (panasonic) then naka-hook lang sa fast track thru an ordinary amplifier (promac)...ask ko lang if advisable ba na gamitin ko to na pang-monitor or kailangan talagang makapag-purchase ako ng studio monitors...then.. do you recommend behringer c-3 condenser mic.. medyo cheap kasi... what mic brand ang pwede mong ma-recommend yung hindi naman mabigat sa bulsa.. Thanks and God bless.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on September 07, 2012, 05:39:23 PM
yung monitor speakers na gamit ko as of now is a pair of speaker from our old component (panasonic) then naka-hook lang sa fast track thru an ordinary amplifier (promac)
bakit kailangan pa ng promac? wala ba line in ang panasonic?
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: --randz-- on September 08, 2012, 10:57:13 PM
Sir kit
Sira na kasi yun sa panasonic na component kaya yung extra amplifier namin na promac yun muna ginamit ko.. gamit dito sa bahay pang-PA lang..
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: bulok on September 27, 2012, 11:59:09 AM
patulong naman mga master kase yung alesis io4 my dalawang mode siya yung mono(4x4-16bit), tpos stereo(2x2-24bit). ano pagkakaiba nung 16bit at 24bit pagdating sa pagre2cord ng 4mic input simultaneously?balak ko kase bumili nitong io4
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Post by: skin on September 27, 2012, 12:16:50 PM
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Post by: NTM on October 20, 2012, 11:40:29 AM
Basic setup for PA with 22k budget and available Speaker. I only need Mixer. If ever kailangan ng powered amp, kasama na din. ano kaya pwede dun? :oops:
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on October 23, 2012, 11:26:07 PM
Basic setup for PA with 22k budget and available Speaker. I only need Mixer. If ever kailangan ng powered amp, kasama na din. ano kaya pwede dun? :oops:
This is more for the live audio guys to answer. Can you post a separate thread to garner more responses?
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: bulok on November 07, 2012, 10:45:56 PM
sa audiophile ba may tascam products? magkano kaya ang tascam us600 usb audio interface at tascam us800? at sa mga nakagamit ng TASCAM US600 at STEINBERG CI1 pwede ba malaman ang experience nyo sa paggamit nito?
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: Carnal Forge on November 14, 2012, 07:51:22 AM
sir, na-try mo na yung dual fast track ultra 8r set up?
Paanong connection iniisip mo bro? Via adat?
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: Carnal Forge on November 15, 2012, 10:12:08 AM
meron na kasi ako isang ultra 8r, if mag expand ako ng 16 inputs, ano ba mas ideal na gawin? additional ultra 8r(jack'd/asio4all, profire2626 or focusrite octopre(adat)?
Noob lang mga sir, sensya na. thanks.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: Xelly on November 15, 2012, 11:35:09 AM
meron na kasi ako isang ultra 8r, if mag expand ako ng 16 inputs, ano ba mas ideal na gawin? additional ultra 8r(jack'd/asio4all, profire2626 or focusrite octopre(adat)?
Noob lang mga sir, sensya na. thanks.
Mukhang hanggang dun nalang ultra 8r bro. Hindi mo na siya maexpand to 16channel wala kasi siyang adat. Hindi naman solve na dalawang ultra 8r nakakabit sa pc mo. Ang alam ko papapiliin ka lang ng pc kung anong interface gagamitin mo pero hindi pwedeng sabay
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: skin on November 15, 2012, 11:43:30 AM
Mukhang hanggang dun nalang ultra 8r bro. Hindi mo na siya maexpand to 16channel wala kasi siyang adat. Hindi naman solve na dalawang ultra 8r nakakabit sa pc mo. Ang alam ko papapiliin ka lang ng pc kung anong interface gagamitin mo pero hindi pwedeng sabay
Puede siya isabay thru asio4all.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: Xelly on November 15, 2012, 11:59:41 AM
balitaan nyo ako tol pag na-try mo yan. Pero ako nabasa na meron nagtanong sa Avid conference na kung ano option para ma-expand to 16inputs yung ultra 8r, pwede daw yung profire2626 pero baka meron latency issue kasi usb at firewire yung connection. Meron din ako nabasa na pwede daw yung Pre-amp na meron ADAT out.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: Xelly on November 16, 2012, 08:18:35 AM
balitaan nyo ako tol pag na-try mo yan. Pero ako nabasa na meron nagtanong sa Avid conference na kung ano option para ma-expand to 16inputs yung ultra 8r, pwede daw yung profire2626 pero baka meron latency issue kasi usb at firewire yung connection. Meron din ako nabasa na pwede daw yung Pre-amp na meron ADAT out.
Ah may adat in pala 8r?
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Post by: inigo on November 16, 2012, 09:38:13 AM
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: bulok on July 26, 2013, 07:44:31 PM
mga bossing pano setup nyo pag magrerecord ng gitara? mas ok ba kung mic sa amp? or guitar >> stompbox>>> fast track ultra>> computer tapos amplitube? pano ba magandang setup? wala kasi ako magandang amplifier kaya parang negative na ang naka-mic na amp
pag naman yung amplitube pag narecord na, yung output hindi katulad nung nadidinig ko habang nirerecord kaya trial 'n error ang nangyayari :eek:
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: skin on July 27, 2013, 06:39:40 AM
mga bossing pano setup nyo pag magrerecord ng gitara? mas ok ba kung mic sa amp? or guitar >> stompbox>>> fast track ultra>> computer tapos amplitube? pano ba magandang setup? wala kasi ako magandang amplifier kaya parang negative na ang naka-mic na amp
pag naman yung amplitube pag narecord na, yung output hindi katulad nung nadidinig ko habang nirerecord kaya trial 'n error ang nangyayari :eek:
If you're going to use Amplitube, record clean. Deretso mo na guitar sa fast track ultra.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: bulok on July 29, 2013, 12:43:44 AM
If you're going to use Amplitube, record clean. Deretso mo na guitar sa fast track ultra.
hindi ko kasi matripan yung tone ng stompbox dun sa amplitube.. pero sige matesting na din :-D pero kung hindi ako gagamit ng amplitube ano ang iba pang setup ang masa-suggest nyo?
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: Xelly on July 29, 2013, 06:49:46 AM
hindi ko kasi matripan yung tone ng stompbox dun sa amplitube.. pero sige matesting na din :-D pero kung hindi ako gagamit ng amplitube ano ang iba pang setup ang masa-suggest nyo?
Kung guitar>>stomps>>Interface setup mo bro, amp sims sa amplitube nalang gamitin mo. :-)
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: bulok on July 30, 2013, 10:42:32 AM
Kung guitar>>stomps>>Interface setup mo bro, amp sims sa amplitube nalang gamitin mo. :-)
yun yung current setup ko kaso pag natimpla ko na sa guto kong tunog.. iba na output pagnarecord ko na kaya kaya hindi ko makuha yung tone na hanap ko
pwede ba malaman kung ano setup nyo pag nagrerecord kayo ng guitar? gusto ko kase yung natural yung tunog sana
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: julsam on July 30, 2013, 08:59:44 PM
Hi. I've recently bought a Focusrite Studio (bundle) but it did not include a mic stand and pop filter. and the guitar signal direct to the interface is a bit clipping with 0 gain on the knob.
So my question is where can I buy these stuff to complete my home recording setup? - cheap boom mic stand - pop filter - decent DI box
Currently canvassing here, the other buy-and-sell site, and local music stores. baka may alam kayo na place na mas mura :D Thanks! :)
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: Xelly on July 30, 2013, 10:02:15 PM
Hi. I've recently bought a Focusrite Studio (bundle) but it did not include a mic stand and pop filter. and the guitar signal direct to the interface is a bit clipping with 0 gain on the knob.
So my question is where can I buy these stuff to complete my home recording setup? - cheap boom mic stand - pop filter - decent DI box
Currently canvassing here, the other buy-and-sell site, and local music stores. baka may alam kayo na place na mas mura :D Thanks! :)
Audiophile.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: palaka on July 31, 2013, 02:11:33 AM
Good day Mga master tanung ko lang po regarding mixing and mastering pag nag mimixing po kasi ako tapus sobrang dami na po ang plug-ins na gagamit ko humihinto hinto ang DAW o nagpuputolputol yung tunog anu po ba ang nagagamit pag gumagamit ka ng plug-ins RAM, HARD DISK, O yung processor po.
Ang gamit ko lang po pala ngayon quad core, 2.67 GHz, 4GB of RAM tapos boy XP po ako.hehe
salamat po
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: peeves24 on July 31, 2013, 06:35:23 AM
during tracking, kailangan no fx para makuha yung shortest latency pero kapag mixing na dagdagan mo latency para mas maraming fx kang magamit
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: coy_2cute on July 31, 2013, 07:16:51 AM
I would so much to learn the following:
* proper equalization settings techniques for certain instruments (e.g. electric guitar, bass, drums, etc) while mixing/mastering * panning/stereo separation for instruments on mixing/mastering * sound compression, limiter, normalization how to techniques
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: palaka on August 01, 2013, 03:42:50 AM
during tracking, kailangan no fx para makuha yung shortest latency pero kapag mixing na dagdagan mo latency para mas maraming fx kang magamit
opo sir pag tracking hindi po talaga ako naglalagay ng fx. tanung ko po sir anu po ba kinakain o ginagamit ng Plug-ins sa computer hard disk, RAM o Processor?salamat
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: skin on August 01, 2013, 09:23:22 AM
opo sir pag tracking hindi po talaga ako naglalagay ng fx. tanung ko po sir anu po ba kinakain o ginagamit ng Plug-ins sa computer hard disk, RAM o Processor?salamat
Processor. Adjust your latency.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: julsam on August 03, 2013, 08:41:06 PM
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Post by: ericpicar on August 12, 2013, 02:22:56 AM
cool :) this post "What do you want to learn about recording" started by KitC has been running for a cool 7 years now :) it is really great to see people helping each other out :)
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: Tarkuz Toccata on August 12, 2013, 05:59:28 PM
* proper equalization settings techniques for certain instruments (e.g. electric guitar, bass, drums, etc) while mixing/mastering * panning/stereo separation for instruments on mixing/mastering * sound compression, limiter, normalization how to techniques
You might want to check this Youtube tutorial on recording. (https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLa9ASr8n5idDC9UnO--pNNSClDQDkhvmv)
Habang naghahanap ng panahon para masimulang matuto sa recording, nag-DL muna ako ng mga tutorials gaya ng nasa link. :-D At wala pa akong audio interface, though may mga relevant software applications na na naka-install. Syempre, for sure ay makakatulong ng malaki ang pagbabasa ng mga posts dito.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on August 14, 2013, 05:31:49 PM
As always, do not forget the guide at Tweakheadz.com: http://tweakheadz.com/guide-to-home-and-project-music-studios/
That site has been invaluable when I was starting out.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: peeves24 on August 15, 2013, 09:59:06 AM
* proper equalization settings techniques for certain instruments (e.g. electric guitar, bass, drums, etc) while mixing/mastering * panning/stereo separation for instruments on mixing/mastering * sound compression, limiter, normalization how to techniques
buy charles dye's dvd - Mix It Like A Record
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: renkai0218 on August 28, 2013, 02:54:19 PM
I am currently using Protools SE. Are there any softwares out there that you can recommend that are easy to use? Probably, yung "free" din. :eek:
I have a Zoom G9.2tt as well. Mas maganda sana yung pwede ko din siya incorporate dun sa software na yun?
Please help. :oops:
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: skin on August 28, 2013, 03:01:16 PM
Uy thank you Sir Skin! Downloading now. Does this Reaper eats a lot of your pc resources compared to Protools? :) I can test naman, I just want to know your opinion. By the way Im using an i5 processor. 16gb na ram and 1TB na hard drive.
Can I use incorporate my Zoom dito sa reaper? I mean can I just directly record from my Zoom? Para I can still use yung isang input from my interface?
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: skin on August 28, 2013, 04:50:48 PM
Uy thank you Sir Skin! Downloading now. Does this Reaper eats a lot of your pc resources compared to Protools? :) I can test naman, I just want to know your opinion. By the way Im using an i5 processor. 16gb na ram and 1TB na hard drive.
Can I use incorporate my Zoom dito sa reaper? I mean can I just directly record from my Zoom? Para I can still use yung isang input from my interface?
It's not CPU intensive. Your computer can handle it for sure.
You can use your Zoom as your audio interface on Reaper.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: renkai0218 on August 29, 2013, 10:46:05 AM
It's not CPU intensive. Your computer can handle it for sure.
You can use your Zoom as your audio interface on Reaper.
That's good to know Sir Skin. Sige I will study this app then will let you know.
Maraming salamat! :mrgreen:
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: Vermilion on September 10, 2013, 02:32:08 PM
I'm planning to record my band's songs with the most minimal setup. (We record live with an ipad haha)
So far we have a laptop and the instruments. Wala kaming magandang amplifier so i'll depend on amp sim softwares. I will be using Reaper.
For recording the guitars/bass: Guitar/Bass -> Stompbox -> AUDIO INTERFACE -> Amp simulator -> Reaper -> Monitoring? (Headphones or yung Speakers?)
For recording the vocals and drums: Drums/Vocals -> Mic -> AUDIO INTERFACE -> Reaper -> Monitoring (Headphones or yung Speakers?)
So ang bibilhin ko is mic and audio interface lang muna. I'll start from there. How about yung monitoring? Ok lang kung headphones lang muna? Makakaproduce ba to ng much better output than our live recording practice?
Thanks.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: skin on September 10, 2013, 02:47:36 PM
I'm planning to record my band's songs with the most minimal setup. (We record live with an ipad haha)
So far we have a laptop and the instruments. Wala kaming magandang amplifier so i'll depend on amp sim softwares. I will be using Reaper.
For recording the guitars/bass: Guitar/Bass -> Stompbox -> AUDIO INTERFACE -> Amp simulator -> Reaper -> Monitoring? (Headphones or yung Speakers?)
For recording the vocals and drums: Drums/Vocals -> Mic -> AUDIO INTERFACE -> Reaper -> Monitoring (Headphones or yung Speakers?)
So ang bibilhin ko is mic and audio interface lang muna. I'll start from there. How about yung monitoring? Ok lang kung headphones lang muna? Makakaproduce ba to ng much better output than our live recording practice?
Thanks.
Guitars - Audio Interface
Para tipid, kumuha ka ng Zoom H1. Check mo sa Youtube mga recordings ng Zoom H1 and drums. Unless bibili ka ng 8 track na audio interface.
You'll produce better recording compared to live practices. You'd produce better recordings kung marunong kayo mag program ng drums using midi so no need to record the drum parts.
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Post by: Tarkuz Toccata on September 10, 2013, 03:36:12 PM
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: musicianurse28 on September 16, 2013, 11:54:34 PM
Sir and ma'am, especially drummers, I have a few questions here that I wish to know the answers. Kindly help me please. Thanks
1. What is a Reverb and its use? 2. What is a Compressor and its use? 3. Are numbers 1 and 2 really a must have? 4. Is this possible? I'll connect the mics to the mixer (mics are placed accordingly on the drums), and also an mp3 to the mixer for the play along, then from the mixer's output I'll connect it to the video recorder's input. Will it work? No need for editing and syncing of vid and sound on the laptop? 5. What's an Interface and its use?
Thanks
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: tobyhuyssen on September 19, 2013, 01:49:09 PM
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Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: nolit on September 21, 2013, 07:11:30 AM
Uy thank you Sir Skin! Downloading now. Does this Reaper eats a lot of your pc resources compared to Protools? :) I can test naman, I just want to know your opinion. By the way Im using an i5 processor. 16gb na ram and 1TB na hard drive.
Can I use incorporate my Zoom dito sa reaper? I mean can I just directly record from my Zoom? Para I can still use yung isang input from my interface?
I think with your current PC set up you can already handle even 50 tracks with plenty of vst plugins running. I am mixing songs on a dualcore 8gb ram and 750g hard disk.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: nolit on September 21, 2013, 07:24:37 AM
Here is a trick we did given a limited resources in recording drums.
The place had a good sounding studio but they only have a two input interface and a zoom H4n.
We placed a mic on the snare (SM57) and a mic on the Kick (it was a really cheap mic). Then we fed it to the micpres of the interface. Balanced its volumes. Then we positioned the Zoom overhead. Asked the drummer to click his stick once or twice for sync purpose before he play through the song. He was guided by a pre recorded practice of the song through his celphone via earphone. It was just as if the drummer was practicing the song alone.
After a good take, we imported the stereo track from the overhead, split it into two separate tracks. Now we have 4 tracks of drums. Do all the gatings, compression, etc. via plugns, You can send a bus from all 4 tracks to create ambience just put in a reverb on the bus track and adjust the volume. If you want a clearer hihats and crash you can clone an overhead track (that one from your zoom H4N) and eq them to high pass. Then you can adjust the volume of the highs.
Basically these are just what is needed for drum tracking if you have limited resources. But you will be surprised by the quality of drum tracks you will produce here.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: peeves24 on September 21, 2013, 08:21:18 AM
just keep in mind that portable recorders like the zoom h1 , h4n and others are very sensitive. do not record with them if you dont have a reasonably quite room isolated from road noise. dont record while a fan is on or near the aircon. buy the cat fur to minimize wind noise.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: CeL1916 on October 04, 2013, 12:37:36 PM
mga sir, sa vocal track ano basic or kumbaga madalas gamiting "plugins/effects" nilalagay niyo? hindi yung tunog robot hehe yung para lang hindi siya dry? nilalagyan ko reverb lang, may iba pa ba?
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: skin on October 04, 2013, 04:16:02 PM
mga sir, sa vocal track ano basic or kumbaga madalas gamiting "plugins/effects" nilalagay niyo? hindi yung tunog robot hehe yung para lang hindi siya dry? nilalagyan ko reverb lang, may iba pa ba?
Usually compression, eq, reverb.
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Post by: CeL1916 on October 04, 2013, 08:29:35 PM
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: martsss on October 07, 2013, 08:01:01 PM
Hi mga sir, pano po ba dapat gawin para malakas ung audio ng guitara pero hindi sya sabog? kinukumpara ko kase un mga mix ko sa iba. halimbawa ung speaker volume ko is at around 12oclock. ung tunog ng mga pro mixes. oo malakas pero malinis parin. pero ung mix ko asa 10oclock palang ung speaker volume ko sabog na. wasak ung tunog tas parang grabe ung vibrate ng table bat po ba ganun un? sana po matulungan niyo ako salamat :-P
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on October 11, 2013, 08:18:33 AM
We all know that white light is made up of 7 colors of the rainbow. In essence, when all colors are at the same intensity, they all combine to form white light. How do you make it appear bluish? Reduce all other colors except, blue. Approach mixing using this same concept.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: martsss on October 11, 2013, 06:41:27 PM
volume control po b yan or sa EQ? may nabasa po ako tungkol sa Spectrum analyzer nagamit po ba kayo nun pag nag EEQ? pra sa mga parehas at naglalabang frequency?
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: prodigi on October 17, 2013, 01:05:55 AM
Baka sobra sa lows... try mo gamitan ng hi-pass fillter (low cut) per channel mga 30Hz depende sa tracks... Iwasan mo mag-clip yung master bawasan mo muna levels ng individual tracks. Tapos hatakin mo na lang yung master level sa maximizer or mastering plugin.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: jepbueno on October 17, 2013, 05:08:36 PM
Hi! I have a four track MTR, tascam dp-004. I can record my guitar via the record out of my microcube. I've done research and it turned out that the record out of the micro cube has COSM speaker simulation. Oks naman siya, pero I'm not that quite satisfied. Ano kayang pwede ko magamit with better amp/cab simulation? Like a pocket pod or pandora mini pwede ba yun? Anong ibang devices ang kagaya nila?
A soultion without using computers sana. I was using Sonar with Amplitube plugins pero I'm just trying MTR. No problems naman ako sa ibang aspects, cab simulation lang talaga. Balak ko sana yung Boss BR-80 na multitrack kaso parang ang hirap gamitin.
Thanks!
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: alroyT on October 31, 2013, 07:32:22 AM
We all know that white light is made up of 7 colors of the rainbow. In essence, when all colors are at the same intensity, they all combine to form white light. How do you make it appear bluish? Reduce all other colors except, blue. Approach mixing using this same concept.
good analogy
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: bulog on November 22, 2013, 11:16:26 AM
I have a Samson USB mic, and problem ko is sobrang bilis nyang mag clip (peak) pag kumakanta ako, malakas po kasi voice ko.
Im using Audacity sa pag record ng vocals, naka set yung mic input to to 1 lang (e.g. vol 1-10), pag 2 to 4 soft voice ok sya, pag medyo mataas na yung tone nung kanta, mag peak/clip na yung mic & red na sa spectrum ng Audacity.
Di po kaya mabawasan yung quality kapag 1 lang po yung volume nung input ng usb mic ko.
What I do is put some compression sa voice track ko para medyo lumebel sa instruments.
Isang problem ko pa po is the inconsistency of the levels nung voice ko, humihina at lumalakas, di ko mapantay na same level yung voice ko from start to finish.
thanks
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on November 26, 2013, 10:10:53 AM
I have a Samson USB mic, and problem ko is sobrang bilis nyang mag clip (peak) pag kumakanta ako, malakas po kasi voice ko.
Im using Audacity sa pag record ng vocals, naka set yung mic input to to 1 lang (e.g. vol 1-10), pag 2 to 4 soft voice ok sya, pag medyo mataas na yung tone nung kanta, mag peak/clip na yung mic & red na sa spectrum ng Audacity.
Di po kaya mabawasan yung quality kapag 1 lang po yung volume nung input ng usb mic ko.
What I do is put some compression sa voice track ko para medyo lumebel sa instruments.
Isang problem ko pa po is the inconsistency of the levels nung voice ko, humihina at lumalakas, di ko mapantay na same level yung voice ko from start to finish.
thanks
Where do you adjust your recording levels? If you're using Windows, adjust it at Control Panel, Sounds, Recording. Look for Mic Gain. Values are 1-100. I just use 10 for my Samson Go Mic.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on November 27, 2013, 09:46:35 AM
Sometimes, it's all about mic technique. That's why I said 'move farther'. If you are overloading the mic, then don't kiss it. Use distance as an automatic gain control, moving closer when you have silent passages. Try to observe professional singers when they handle a mic live - they are never in one static position, unless they have weak voices and terrible control.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: in_the_tent on November 27, 2013, 10:30:10 AM
What do you think of using ordinary RCA cable to connect your interface to your monitors?
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on November 28, 2013, 10:56:38 AM
What do you think of using ordinary RCA cable to connect your interface to your monitors?
If nothing hums, then it's good.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: in_the_tent on November 29, 2013, 04:20:05 PM
thanks senyor
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: timespacey on December 01, 2013, 08:36:44 PM
:) Hello guys, bago palang ako sa recording.. planning to buy a Line6 UX2.. 12k sya sa perfect pitch. budget is 10k for an audio interface pero mag stretch naman if needed gaya ng sa line6 ux2.
question lang po: 1. for the price range, may mas magandang bang bilhin 2. pwede din po ba ito sa pag record ng ibang instruments (guitar and vocals lang kasi ang mga nababasa ko about dito) 3. pwede din po ba sya sa ibang DAW bukod sa mga softwares na nakabundle sa kanya? or may mga known issues sya sa ibang softwares.
*Continues po akong nagreresearch para di ganong maka-abala. pero naisip ko na baka may magandang inputs akong makuha mula po sa inyo. Salamat mga Sirs.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: jamming_papu on December 01, 2013, 09:06:08 PM
:) Hello guys, bago palang ako sa recording.. planning to buy a Line6 UX2.. 12k sya sa perfect pitch. budget is 10k for an audio interface pero mag stretch naman if needed gaya ng sa line6 ux2.
question lang po: 1. for the price range, may mas magandang bang bilhin 2. pwede din po ba ito sa pag record ng ibang instruments (guitar and vocals lang kasi ang mga nababasa ko about dito) 3. pwede din po ba sya sa ibang DAW bukod sa mga softwares na nakabundle sa kanya? or may mga known issues sya sa ibang softwares.
*Continues po akong nagreresearch para di ganong maka-abala. pero naisip ko na baka may magandang inputs akong makuha mula po sa inyo. Salamat mga Sirs.
my answers
1. for 12K, at local market ang pag-uusapan, ok na yan. 2. yes. kailangan mo lang kumuha ng microphone para gawin yun. yun UX2 ang magiging mic preamp. 3. yes. as far as i know may kasamang Ableton and Reason DAW ang UX2. pwede sya sa ibang DAW since ASIO and WDM ang drivers nyan.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: musicianurse28 on December 24, 2013, 03:31:29 AM
Mga sir, in regards with recording drum tracks, sobrang kailangan pa po ba ng Reverb at Compressor? I'm new in recording. I'm planning to invest on Zoom R16.. Do I still need to purchase Reverb and Compressor separately or ZoomR16 can do all the thing? Thanks!
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: KitC on December 24, 2013, 09:51:40 AM
The R16 technically has DSP effects so you can add that in post production, i.e., after recording. You don't need to add additional hardware, although really good quality compressors and reverbs can be VERY expensive. Most people use DAWs and VSTs nowadays so it might be better to fly the recorded tracks into a computer and do post from there instead.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: JessePinkman on December 25, 2013, 09:48:52 AM
Sirs where can I get a Stereo 1/4 TRS to Mono 1/4 TS cable?
THanks!
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: musicianurse28 on December 27, 2013, 12:01:52 AM
The R16 technically has DSP effects so you can add that in post production, i.e., after recording. You don't need to add additional hardware, although really good quality compressors and reverbs can be VERY expensive. Most people use DAWs and VSTs nowadays so it might be better to fly the recorded tracks into a computer and do post from there instead.
Sir may I know what the DSP, DAW, and VST are? Thank you sir
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: coy_2cute on December 27, 2013, 12:29:45 AM
And I saw the Behringer Xenyx Q502USB, non-powered mixer with usb audio interface. Ask ko lang po if pwede na po bang gamitin ito sa guitar, na i-direct plug ko sa line in input nya, then use a DAW or VST for guitar effects.
Puedeng puede!
Do I need pa po ba ng external DI gadget para sa guitar or bass? or like I've asked na kung pwede direct na po since interface na naman po sya.
No need. Pero puede.
Sa mic I know both dynamic & condenser pwede dito at may built in compressor pa xa.
Puede. May phantom power na din yan.
Thanks for your time sir.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: bulog on January 14, 2014, 10:59:16 AM
Thanks Sir skin sa reply!!
:-D
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: inot1105 on January 21, 2014, 03:10:57 PM
revisiting this thread... though i'm just a hobbyist home recording junkie (kapag hindi busy sa day-job kinda)... and i got a lot of tips & infos here when i started reading/learning about recording.
always informative ang inputs ni sir KitC. Thanks again.
Wala lang. God bless you always po. And PhilMusic.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: inot1105 on January 21, 2014, 03:23:34 PM
:) Hello guys, bago palang ako sa recording.. planning to buy a Line6 UX2.. 12k sya sa perfect pitch. budget is 10k for an audio interface pero mag stretch naman if needed gaya ng sa line6 ux2.
question lang po: 1. for the price range, may mas magandang bang bilhin 2. pwede din po ba ito sa pag record ng ibang instruments (guitar and vocals lang kasi ang mga nababasa ko about dito) 3. pwede din po ba sya sa ibang DAW bukod sa mga softwares na nakabundle sa kanya? or may mga known issues sya sa ibang softwares.
*Continues po akong nagreresearch para di ganong maka-abala. pero naisip ko na baka may magandang inputs akong makuha mula po sa inyo. Salamat mga Sirs.
my reply din... :D (i'm not an expert, but here's what i think) 1. try to check other brands like Creative E-MU, Focusrite, Avid(M-Audio), Behringer, etc. But the Line6 UX2 is not bad, a bit pricey though, check our classifieds here for some good quality 2nd hand UX2s. Try 'em out as well. 2. Yes. UX2s are capable of instrument & vocal recording. Check Line6 site for their manual. Read on. 3. I think most info are in the Line6 website, check 'em out. check compatibility (sa website ng AIs or website ng DAW) Usually AIs come with bundled SW. But they are mostly special editions or lite editions (LE/starter). Just to get you going & start & enjoy home recording at your level.
enjoy your recording journey
BR & God bless
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: Garner on January 22, 2014, 09:46:41 AM
Sana magkaroon ulit ng workshop para dito :-D
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: bulog on January 23, 2014, 02:12:07 PM
Sir skin, follow up lang po sa query ko.
About dun sa Xenyx502usb, kapag po ba plug ko na yung usb sa computer, babasahin ba ng e.g. DAW (Audacity) ko na kung ilang channels yung mixer?
Or just 1 channel?
Di po ba may mga multi channel na audio interface, since itong Behringer e I think 5 channels yata, will my DAW be able to recognized each channels?
Im buying na this mixer/audio interface next month.
thanks again
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: skin on January 23, 2014, 04:02:37 PM
About dun sa Xenyx502usb, kapag po ba plug ko na yung usb sa computer, babasahin ba ng e.g. DAW (Audacity) ko na kung ilang channels yung mixer?
Or just 1 channel?
Di po ba may mga multi channel na audio interface, since itong Behringer e I think 5 channels yata, will my DAW be able to recognized each channels?
Im buying na this mixer/audio interface next month.
thanks again
5 inputs yan pero 2 channel lang ang output sa mga DAW. So sa DAW mo, 2 channels lang yan.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: bulog on January 24, 2014, 12:33:52 PM
Sorry Sir Skin, mali po yata term ko...I mean ilang tracks po pala lalabas kaya nito sa Audacity ko?
Mag multi track kaya sya? or 1 track lang, or pwede ako mag mic for vocals (input 1 XLR) & acoustic guitar (input 2 mono), then pag record ko e hiwalay ang tracks na lalabas sa Audacity na pwedeng i-edit later?
Or 1 track lang po sya papasok ?
thanks again sa abala :-D
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: jowash on January 24, 2014, 03:18:00 PM
Sorry Sir Skin, mali po yata term ko...I mean ilang tracks po pala lalabas kaya nito sa Audacity ko?
Mag multi track kaya sya? or 1 track lang, or pwede ako mag mic for vocals (input 1 XLR) & acoustic guitar (input 2 mono), then pag record ko e hiwalay ang tracks na lalabas sa Audacity na pwedeng i-edit later?
Or 1 track lang po sya papasok ?
thanks again sa abala :-D
Bale isang stereo output lng yan na pwede i assign sa 2 mono tracks yung isang channel mo sa mixer (Xenyx502usb) hard pan mo sa right yung isang channel hard pan sa left
tpos open ka n dalawang mono track sa DAW mo set mo ang input ng isang track galing sa left channel ng usb interface mo yung isang track sa right
so pag rcord mo ang papasok sa DAW left yung nka hard pan sa left palagay mo vocals sa isang channel na nka hard pan sa right yung guitar bale may dalawang seperate mono track kana sa DAW na pwede mong i enhance seperately tpos i send mo sa isang stereo bus with ur mastering plug inns
CHECK MY LINK HOME RECORDING SAMPLE VOCALS AND KEY bale heto yung knalabasan(check description ha HOME RECORDING :-D ) SAME PROCESS https://soundcloud.com/jowash/rainbowbrite
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: Baldr727 on February 03, 2014, 07:04:09 PM
Hi guys! I would just like to ask if anong mixer po ang pinaka okay for house recording? Yung sulit po sa price. Thanks! :)
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: --randz-- on February 04, 2014, 10:29:59 AM
Hi guys! I would just like to ask if anong mixer po ang pinaka okay for house recording? Yung sulit po sa price. Thanks! :)
Try mo sir yung Behringer Xenyx 802 mixer and Behringer UCA202. (I have one). Ginamit namin sa recording ng choir. So far ok naman need mo lang ng ASIO Driver for the latency. :idea:
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: Baldr727 on February 05, 2014, 01:45:53 PM
Thanks bro!
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: bulog on February 28, 2014, 10:19:31 AM
Hi Sir, questions po ulit.
Di po kasi natuloy yung purchase ko ng Behringer 502USB mixer/interface.
I bought last night yung USB guitar link...may cd na kasama for asio driver.
Then nag-install ako ng Guitar Rig 5 Pro.
Ask ko lang po,
1. Paano po ma detect ng Audacity yung interface, kasi po nung try ko mag record walang input sya na nababasa.
2. Ano po mas ok gamitin, yung mga effects ng Guitar Rig 5 or kung may analog or digital effects ako na padaanin ko sa interface, medyo hirap mag tweak sa guitar rig & most of the high gain settings ang lakas ng hum.
3. Last, can i also use Guitar Rig 5 pro on Audacity?
Thanks, sorry newbie po ako sa interface...salamat sa inyo!!
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: brownbread on March 09, 2014, 06:18:10 PM
may rehearsal studio po ako para ma maximize ko sana yung kita gusto ko mag-pundar ng recording tutal po eh gawa na rin naman yung control room ko
bale gusto ko simulan sa mixer yung gamit ko kasi eh wala po effects
bale ok lang kaya bumili ako sa raon yung di branded china made hehehe medyo limited budget eh 15-20k lang
16ch ok na kaya ito. penege naman ako idea ng brand at model na pasok sa budget ko
salamat ng madae
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: channel on March 19, 2014, 12:13:05 PM
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: bulog on April 07, 2014, 01:56:48 PM
Hi Sir,
I bought a new interface/mixer BEHRINGER Xenyx Q502usb.
No problems on drivers installation, both reaper & audacity detected kaagad sya like my Samson usb mic.
Ang di ko po maintindihan, bakit di po pwede magsabay ang tunog ng pre-recorded kong tracks kapag mag overlay na ako ng ibang instruments?
For example, unahin ko po yung drums tracks. Yung powered speakers ko ay nakakabit sa phones nung Behringer....dinig ko yung unang tracks ko while recording.
Then pag papatong na ako ng bass lines, di ko na ma-monitor yung drum tracks, yung bass nadidinig ko. May button naman na pwedeng pindutin but pati yung drums tracks nahahalo sa track ng bass.
Ano po kaya prob nito?
Last query po,
Napuna ko lang since nag usb interface ako, natural po ba talaga na parang di na nagpi-peak yung signal sa Audacity. Napuna ko rin po yung recording ko sa drums (BTW e.drums po pala ako) e mas weak ngayon na naka direct yung out sa module ng e.drums sa behringer ko....compare dati na naka direct ako sa powered mixer ko (Trident generic) then yung line out ng powered mixer sa line in ng computer.
Napuna ko po mas powerful at buhay ang tunog ng drums ko using my old equipment compare sa interface.
Salamat sa dami ng tanong ko hehe. :-D
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: Ralph_Petrucci on April 07, 2014, 03:59:59 PM
I bought a new interface/mixer BEHRINGER Xenyx Q502usb.
No problems on drivers installation, both reaper & audacity detected kaagad sya like my Samson usb mic.
Ang di ko po maintindihan, bakit di po pwede magsabay ang tunog ng pre-recorded kong tracks kapag mag overlay na ako ng ibang instruments?
For example, unahin ko po yung drums tracks. Yung powered speakers ko ay nakakabit sa phones nung Behringer....dinig ko yung unang tracks ko while recording.
Then pag papatong na ako ng bass lines, di ko na ma-monitor yung drum tracks, yung bass nadidinig ko. May button naman na pwedeng pindutin but pati yung drums tracks nahahalo sa track ng bass.
Ano po kaya prob nito?
Last query po,
Napuna ko lang since nag usb interface ako, natural po ba talaga na parang di na nagpi-peak yung signal sa Audacity. Napuna ko rin po yung recording ko sa drums (BTW e.drums po pala ako) e mas weak ngayon na naka direct yung out sa module ng e.drums sa behringer ko....compare dati na naka direct ako sa powered mixer ko (Trident generic) then yung line out ng powered mixer sa line in ng computer.
Napuna ko po mas powerful at buhay ang tunog ng drums ko using my old equipment compare sa interface.
Salamat sa dami ng tanong ko hehe. :-D
answered your query dun sa thread mo bro. HIndi same ang output ng mixers mo kahit parehas settings mo.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: channel on April 11, 2014, 09:59:00 AM
This thread is truly useful for learning. How about a recording school where we can all learn from the PROs?
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: Ralph_Petrucci on April 11, 2014, 10:27:24 AM
Ang di ko po maintindihan, bakit di po pwede magsabay ang tunog ng pre-recorded kong tracks kapag mag overlay na ako ng ibang instruments?
For example, unahin ko po yung drums tracks. Yung powered speakers ko ay nakakabit sa phones nung Behringer....dinig ko yung unang tracks ko while recording.
Then pag papatong na ako ng bass lines, di ko na ma-monitor yung drum tracks, yung bass nadidinig ko. May button naman na pwedeng pindutin but pati yung drums tracks nahahalo sa track ng bass.
Are we talking about audacity or reaper? Audacity is not exactly a great multitracking program. Should have no problem with reaper. Look at how monitoring is set up in both programs.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: CeL1916 on May 01, 2014, 03:32:01 PM
Ano pang convert niyo mga sir from "wav" to " mp3"? Yung sakin kasi( simple recordings lang using guitar interface at vst) pag .wav palang ayos naman tunog pag naconvert na sa mp3 nagiging distorted or parang may phaser? Ganun din pag nirender diretso sa mp3 using lame necoder.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: skin on May 01, 2014, 05:14:24 PM
Ano pang convert niyo mga sir from "wav" to " mp3"? Yung sakin kasi( simple recordings lang using guitar interface at vst) pag .wav palang ayos naman tunog pag naconvert na sa mp3 nagiging distorted or parang may phaser? Ganun din pag nirender diretso sa mp3 using lame necoder.
wav is lossless format...mp3 is loss format
mawawala talaga quality if rendered to mp3...
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: samuelfianza on May 01, 2014, 05:24:33 PM
Ano pang convert niyo mga sir from "wav" to " mp3"? Yung sakin kasi( simple recordings lang using guitar interface at vst) pag .wav palang ayos naman tunog pag naconvert na sa mp3 nagiging distorted or parang may phaser? Ganun din pag nirender diretso sa mp3 using lame necoder.
check mo ung bitrate sa settings ng encoder dapat 320 (cbr)
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: CeL1916 on May 02, 2014, 02:10:30 AM
Ano pang convert niyo mga sir from "wav" to " mp3"? Yung sakin kasi( simple recordings lang using guitar interface at vst) pag .wav palang ayos naman tunog pag naconvert na sa mp3 nagiging distorted or parang may phaser? Ganun din pag nirender diretso sa mp3 using lame necoder.
You don't really "save as" and MP3, you render it, the save and save as functions are to save your work as a REAPER project file so you can work on it later. To render it as an MP3 though, follow these steps: File -> Render... From there a window with a ton of options should open, it will default to .WAV format (Not sure if there's a way to change the default output), simple find the "Output Format" option, click the box, a drop down window should open, then select MP3. Then edit where you want it saved and by what name in the "Output File" box, and hit render.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: CeL1916 on May 03, 2014, 09:22:38 PM
Yep! Yan nga ginagawa ko before, kaso talagqng parang may phaser effect anyways subukan ko yung converter ni ralph, yun lang na,an talaga kelangan ko decent converter..
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: Ralph_Petrucci on May 05, 2014, 09:35:04 AM
Yep! Yan nga ginagawa ko before, kaso talagqng parang may phaser effect anyways subukan ko yung converter ni ralph, yun lang na,an talaga kelangan ko decent converter..
ganun diskarte ko sa reaper, render to WAV, convert to 320 na MP3 hahaha
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: sonicassault on June 02, 2014, 06:50:17 PM
I render to WAV using Reaper, tapos to mp3 using Audacity, para may quick and dirty compression bago i-post sa Soundcloud. Bakit kaya may phaser sound yung mp3 render... <_<
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: inigo on June 04, 2014, 05:16:02 PM
I render to WAV using Reaper, tapos to mp3 using Audacity, para may quick and dirty compression bago i-post sa Soundcloud. Bakit kaya may phaser sound yung mp3 render... <_<
Weird... bakit hindi na lang direct render to MP3 through Reaper? May feature naman na ganun dun.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: sonicassault on June 04, 2014, 05:41:55 PM
Weird... bakit hindi na lang direct render to MP3 through Reaper? May feature naman na ganun dun.
Yes, but when encoding and compressing tracks for uploading on the Internet, mas nadadalian ako sa Audacity, because you just set the amount of compression, and then amplify to a certain level, and you can easily see if the any part of the track clips before you even print it. In Reaper you have to play through the track and hear if any part clips, or print the track, and see if the clipped signals are actually distorted.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: jowash on June 04, 2014, 07:53:50 PM
Upload in wav format let souncloud convert it to lossy format kpag gnawa mp3 bale 2x na conversions na from losless to lossy format
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: skin on June 04, 2014, 10:55:41 PM
They have to transcode for streaming purposes kpag downloadable yung data mo u will still get the original file pero sa player sa page mo maligayang :-D 128kbps mp3
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: skin on June 05, 2014, 09:34:33 AM
Ang baba ng 128kbps!!!
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: Ralph_Petrucci on June 05, 2014, 10:40:59 AM
Upload in wav format let souncloud convert it to lossy format kpag gnawa mp3 bale 2x na conversions na from losless to lossy format
I could print a WAV after compression/limiting, but I havent upgraded our DSL since we got it. No freaking way I'm uploading a 20MB file to Soundcloud over a 300+ kbps connection only to have it downsampled to a 192kbps-ish audio stream. I also don't have the tracks for download anyway, and if I chose to do so, I think people would appreciate a 320kbps mp3 file than a huge ass WAV or FLAC file.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: jowash on June 06, 2014, 07:16:31 AM
I could print a WAV after compression/limiting, but I havent upgraded our DSL since we got it. No freaking way I'm uploading a 20MB file to Soundcloud over a 300+ kbps connection only to have it downsampled to a 192kbps-ish audio stream. I also don't have the tracks for download anyway, and if I chose to do so, I think people would appreciate a 320kbps mp3 file than a huge ass WAV or FLAC file.
:eek: hehehhe ang bagal nga bro ng connection speed mo yun nga lng ang downside in my situation wav file mga 3 to 5min dpende sa haba ng kanta kaya tolerable and kng may kaunting racket if it is for a client there's no way I will send them mp3
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: sonicassault on June 06, 2014, 08:42:20 AM
:eek: hehehhe ang bagal nga bro ng connection speed mo yun nga lng ang downside in my situation wav file mga 3 to 5min dpende sa haba ng kanta kaya tolerable and kng may kaunting racket if it is for a client there's no way I will send them mp3
Wow, 3-5 mins for a WAV file?! Naiwan na ako sa dinosaur age! Kahit 3G/LTE samin mabagal din, useless. :eek: At tama naman, pag client dapat talaga WAV or FLAC.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: samuelfianza on June 06, 2014, 09:23:13 AM
Export to wav first then re-render to 320kbps mp3 using Reaper. Mine has no audible distortion even after uploading to souncloud.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: jowash on June 07, 2014, 12:28:22 AM
Wow, 3-5 mins for a WAV file?! Naiwan na ako sa dinosaur age! Kahit 3G/LTE samin mabagal din, useless. :eek: At tama naman, pag client dapat talaga WAV or FLAC.
^-^ hhehe Jurassic nga ang bagal nga ng net natin sa Pinas at saka mahal pa Bulsa lng ng mga Politiko :-P ang mabilis
yung mababait dksama :idea: $$$$$$$$
Meron yata FIBR plan 100mbps 20,000 monthly ? dito 100 Mbps wla pang 1k sa pera natin
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: alien_inside on July 28, 2014, 12:41:35 PM
Samuel, pasend ako ng sample voice recording mo ( voice only around 30 secs ). baka diyan sa studio mo papuntahin ko client ko for vocal recording. send me sample mixes also for mellow songs ( christian songs if you have ) thanks,
send to allenvcpascua@hotmail.com
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Post by: jepbueno on August 05, 2014, 01:30:43 PM
I want to learn working in this kind of studio! :)
http://tweakheadz.com/signal-flow-2/
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Post by: Shred_22 on August 11, 2014, 11:07:20 PM
sorry noob here. hindi ko alam kung san ko to itatanong. dito nalang siguro..
gusto ko sanang mag cover ng song.. videohan ko lang gamit cam. rhythm at lead part so basically 2 videos tapos cocombine. then papatungan ko ng mp3 nung mismong kanta. san ko kaya magagawa to? salamat badly needed lang :)
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Post by: sonicassault on August 12, 2014, 08:46:09 AM
sorry noob here. hindi ko alam kung san ko to itatanong. dito nalang siguro..
gusto ko sanang mag cover ng song.. videohan ko lang gamit cam. rhythm at lead part so basically 2 videos tapos cocombine. then papatungan ko ng mp3 nung mismong kanta. san ko kaya magagawa to? salamat badly needed lang :)
Kailangan mo ba talaga yung video? If yes, kailangan mo ng medyo powerful na video editor tulad ng iMovie o kaya Adobe Premiere. Play along with the mp3 with headphones on, para ang ma-capture mo lang yung guitar sound. tapos pag nakuha mo na yung dalawang video mo, salang mo na sa editor. Unahin mo yung mp3, lagay mo sa audio track. Tapos ipasok mo yung video ng gitara na unang tutunog, tapos align mo. saka mo naman ipasok yung next video tapos i-align mo rin. kung gusto mo makita both videos sa screen, hanap ka na lang ng tutorial para dun. kung gusto mo yung may mga cut-cut pa, unlink mo yung video and audio tracks ng mga guitar clips mo, tapos cut the video however you want.
Kung di mo naman kailangan yung video, mas madali. Same as above, play along using headphones. Salang mo bawat video isa isa sa kahit simpleng video editor lang, Windows Movie Maker ok na. Depende sa software, either kailangan mo i-unlink yung video para ma-export mo as audio file lang, or may option to export as audio directly. mp3 or WAV. tapos download ka ng audacity tapos load mo dun yung mp3. i-load mo yung guitar track na unang tutunog, sa additional track, tapos align mo. do the same with the next guitar track.
for both instances, don't forget to lower the volume of each track. kapag hindi, maooverload yung master volume mo at magdidistort lahat. may mga pan faders naman yan so may freedom ka to mix to your liking :)
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Post by: jepbueno on August 12, 2014, 09:57:28 AM
^Tama si sir. Pwede rin Sony Vegas. Yun gamit ko dati nung may oras ako magrecord ng cover videos. Sanayan na lang sa paggamit ng software.
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Post by: Shred_22 on August 12, 2014, 10:00:30 AM
yep sir kelangan ko po yung video.. salamat sa mga reply :wave:
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Post by: jepbueno on August 12, 2014, 12:08:37 PM
I have a simple tascam digital 4-track. Ang out lang niya is for 1 headphones. May pwede kaya ako gamitin na headphone amp/distribution na may 2 phone outs? Or kahit hanggan 4 outs para magagamit ko pa rin pag nagupgrade na ako ng recorder. Purpose is for each of 2-4 persons to monitor the whole mix while tracking.
Ayaw ko gumamit nung simple splitter lang, di nacocontrol ang volume and nawawala-wala ang signal.
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Post by: Ralph_Petrucci on August 12, 2014, 12:17:04 PM
I have a simple tascam digital 4-track. Ang out lang niya is for 1 headphones. May pwede kaya ako gamitin na headphone amp/distribution na may 2 phone outs? Or kahit hanggan 4 outs para magagamit ko pa rin pag nagupgrade na ako ng recorder. Purpose is for each of 2-4 persons to monitor the whole mix while tracking.
Ayaw ko gumamit nung simple splitter lang, di nacocontrol ang volume and nawawala-wala ang signal.
Behringer has the MS400 which is a 4 channel Headphone Amplifier. Selling for 2,500 AFAIK bro. meron din Samson version nito as well.
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Post by: jepbueno on August 12, 2014, 02:17:51 PM
halos parehas lang ang presyo. so, taste ng itsura at sound ka na magkakatalo hahaha
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Post by: jepbueno on August 19, 2014, 04:03:49 PM
Anyone here tried Rewire FL to Reaper? Reaper as host.
Naconnect ko na pero hindi siya nagrerecord sa track na nakainsert as rewire ang FL loop na ginawa ko. Armed na yung track and naririnig kahit hindi naka-arm. Tama naman yung channels. Kapag halimbawa nirecord ko, plain grey lang yung nagawang visuals sa track walang wave or yung midi plots na nakikita sa track. Then kapag nagclose ka na ng rewire wala na din laman.. haha so hindi talaga siya narecord.
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Post by: politicalparty on August 22, 2014, 07:59:54 PM
Mga sir patulong naman. Gusto ko kasi mag-home recording, balak ko bumili ng Multitrack Recorder/Digital Recorder/Digital Studio Workstation. Ang pinagpipilian ko ay Zoom R8 o Boss BR-800, ano po ba mas maganda sa dalawa? Tsaka tanong ko lang kapag may multitrack recorder, di na ba kailangan ng amp o di na ba isasaksak sa amp yung multitrack recorder? Tsaka pwede ko pa rin ba gamitin yung mga pedals ko for effects kahit na may mga on-board effects na yung multitrack recorder? Tsaka required ba talagang may monitor speakers akong bilhin para sa multitrack recorder o kahit wala na? Salamat po mga sir! :-D
EDIT: Nung nagsearch ako, ang parang kapantay pala ng Boss BR-800 ay yung Zoom R-16, ano rin po mas maganda sa dalawa? Boss BR-800 o Zoom-R16? Tsaka tanong ko na rin po, may epekto ba sa ganda ng pagka-record kung maganda yung monitor speakers mo? O yung monitor speakers para lang po talaga marinig mo yung nirerecord mo? Salamat po ulit
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Post by: sonicassault on August 22, 2014, 08:34:14 PM
Mga sir patulong naman. Gusto ko kasi mag-home recording, balak ko bumili ng Multitrack Recorder/Digital Recorder/Digital Studio Workstation. Ang pinagpipilian ko ay Zoom R8 o Boss BR-800, ano po ba mas maganda sa dalawa? Tsaka tanong ko lang kapag may multitrack recorder, di na ba kailangan ng amp o di na ba isasaksak sa amp yung multitrack recorder? Tsaka pwede ko pa rin ba gamitin yung mga pedals ko for effects kahit na may mga on-board effects na yung multitrack recorder? Tsaka required ba talagang may monitor speakers akong bilhin para sa multitrack recorder o kahit wala na? Salamat po mga sir! :-D
EDIT: Nung nagsearch ako, ang parang kapantay pala ng Boss BR-800 ay yung Zoom R-16, ano rin po mas maganda sa dalawa? Boss BR-800 o Zoom-R16? Tsaka tanong ko na rin po, may epekto ba sa ganda ng pagka-record kung maganda yung monitor speakers mo? O yung monitor speakers para lang po talaga marinig mo yung nirerecord mo? Salamat po ulit
Zoom R-16 dahil sa dami ng inputs. 8 vs 4 ng Boss.
Depende sa kung gusto mo i-mic ang amp mo o hindi, ganito ang pwede mo maging chain: 1. Guitar > Pedalboard > Amp > Mic > Interface 2. Guitar > Pedalboard > Interface (Amp Sim) 3. Guitar > Interface (Effects > Amp Sim) YMMV, but for straight up rock tones, I'd mic up my amp (if the mic and amp are good), or go direct and play through Amplitube or Guitar Rig.
If your room is not set up and treated properly for monitoring, it will be a waste of money to get monitor speakers.
Yes may effect ang monitor speakers sa quality, in the sense na maririnig mo nang mas mabuti yung tunog at maaadjust mo ito accordingly. But again, kung hindi naka-set up yung room mo for monitoring, huwag na lang. Besides, monitors worth spending money for are really expensive, go big or go home yan.
Buy good headphones instead. Grado SR80i for open back headphones, ATH-M50 for closed back. 6-8K a pair. If on a tight budget I'd get my hands on a pair of Sennheiser headphones na hindi pang hiphop/DJ/bass heavy (event he HD201 translates well, but is on the bright side, so medyo kulob pag dating sa ibang systems). If I had to mix on PC speakers I'd only do it on at least a Harman/Kardon Soundsticks II or III.
You can mix on whatever you have, but good luck having your track translate well on different speakers, headphones, and sound systems (yes, ganun kalaki ang sonic difference, kahit demo lang yan). Get the flattest headphones you can afford.
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Post by: politicalparty on August 22, 2014, 08:57:47 PM
Zoom R-16 dahil sa dami ng inputs. 8 vs 4 ng Boss.
Depende sa kung gusto mo i-mic ang amp mo o hindi, ganito ang pwede mo maging chain: 1. Guitar > Pedalboard > Amp > Mic > Interface 2. Guitar > Pedalboard > Interface (Amp Sim) 3. Guitar > Interface (Effects > Amp Sim) YMMV, but for straight up rock tones, I'd mic up my amp (if the mic and amp are good), or go direct and play through Amplitube or Guitar Rig.
If your room is not set up and treated properly for monitoring, it will be a waste of money to get monitor speakers.
Yes may effect ang monitor speakers sa quality, in the sense na maririnig mo nang mas mabuti yung tunog at maaadjust mo ito accordingly. But again, kung hindi naka-set up yung room mo for monitoring, huwag na lang. Besides, monitors worth spending money for are really expensive, go big or go home yan.
Buy good headphones instead. Grado SR80i for open back headphones, ATH-M50 for closed back. 6-8K a pair. If on a tight budget I'd get my hands on a pair of Sennheiser headphones na hindi pang hiphop/DJ/bass heavy (event he HD201 translates well, but is on the bright side, so medyo kulob pag dating sa ibang systems). If I had to mix on PC speakers I'd only do it on at least a Harman/Kardon Soundsticks II or III.
You can mix on whatever you have, but good luck having your track translate well on different speakers, headphones, and sound systems (yes, ganun kalaki ang sonic difference, kahit demo lang yan). Get the flattest headphones you can afford.
Maraming salamat sa tips sir, nakatulong talaga. Pahabol lang, okay din kaya gamitin as headphones yung Beats by Dre na headphone? Meron kasi kaming beats by dre na headphones, kapag ginagamit ko siya pag nagpapatugtog napakaganda na ng tunog, pero may pagka-bassy nga yung headphone dahil siguri pang hip-hop siya o pang DJ.
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Post by: AnalogKiD on August 22, 2014, 11:27:24 PM
Ano pang convert niyo mga sir from "wav" to " mp3"? Yung sakin kasi( simple recordings lang using guitar interface at vst) pag .wav palang ayos naman tunog pag naconvert na sa mp3 nagiging distorted or parang may phaser? Ganun din pag nirender diretso sa mp3 using lame necoder.
gamit ko pang convert sa audio ay AVS Audio Converter.. about dun sa pag nag render ka diretso mp3 from reaper na nagiging distorted, try mo bago ka mag start ng project sa reaper, set mo yung Project Setting mo (Alt+Enter) -> click Media Tab -> WAV Bit Depth -> select 16Bit para/dapat match yung project settings mo sa sa sound card mo
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Post by: sonicassault on August 23, 2014, 03:39:22 PM
Maraming salamat sa tips sir, nakatulong talaga. Pahabol lang, okay din kaya gamitin as headphones yung Beats by Dre na headphone? Meron kasi kaming beats by dre na headphones, kapag ginagamit ko siya pag nagpapatugtog napakaganda na ng tunog, pero may pagka-bassy nga yung headphone dahil siguri pang hip-hop siya o pang DJ.
Wala namang problema, pero check mo lang lagi yung output mo sa ibang speakers. Ang rule of thumb mo, kung ano yung sobra sa monitors mo, yun ang magiging kulang sa flat na sound system. So dun sa Beats mo, since bass heavy tapos medyo attenuated yung highs, ingat lang, kasi pag nilipat mo na sa magandang stereo bigla na naglaho yung bass, tapos matinis.
Since guitar naman ang napag-uusapan, wag mo masyado idepende yung "power" ng guitar sound mo dun sa bass kasi yun nga ang ganda ng tunog nyan sa Beats. nasa mids ang magic ng gitara, so dun mo timplahin.
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Post by: politicalparty on August 23, 2014, 05:50:55 PM
Wala namang problema, pero check mo lang lagi yung output mo sa ibang speakers. Ang rule of thumb mo, kung ano yung sobra sa monitors mo, yun ang magiging kulang sa flat na sound system. So dun sa Beats mo, since bass heavy tapos medyo attenuated yung highs, ingat lang, kasi pag nilipat mo na sa magandang stereo bigla na naglaho yung bass, tapos matinis.
Since guitar naman ang napag-uusapan, wag mo masyado idepende yung "power" ng guitar sound mo dun sa bass kasi yun nga ang ganda ng tunog nyan sa Beats. nasa mids ang magic ng gitara, so dun mo timplahin.
Sige sir maraming salamat sa tips. Mag-iinvest na ako para sa multitrack recorder, maaaring Zoom R16 o kung masasagad sa budget, R24 na, plus monitor speakers at isang condenser mic, sapat na siguro para sa home recording. Salamat ulit sir. :-D
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Post by: nlsn on August 25, 2014, 02:28:20 PM
Good day, is a power conditioner same with power filter? can they solve the static/noise that I hear after recording a track at home? And what brand or model can you recommend to me? currently eyeing for a furman pst-6 hehe, thanks :)
will backread more later.
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Post by: sonicassault on August 26, 2014, 08:17:13 AM
Good day, is a power conditioner same with power filter? can they solve the static/noise that I hear after recording a track at home? And what brand or model can you recommend to me? currently eyeing for a furman pst-6 hehe, thanks :)
will backread more later.
I think they're the same thing. It still depends on the source of the static/noise, but it's still a good piece of gear to have and will help eliminate extra noise that comes from the power line, and help keep your gear alive too.
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Post by: jepbueno on September 15, 2014, 09:33:49 AM
Okay noob question. Say I have an audio interface that can record 2 tracks at a time, with 2 (not combo) XLR and 2 TRS inputs, and 1 phantom power switch (for both not for each input). Like this one: http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/MTrackPlus.html
Is phantom power only applied sa XLR inputs? or also sa TRS?
With phantom power ON, is it okay if I: 1)use a condenser (XLR) and a dynamic mic (XLR) at the same time? 2)use a condenser (XLR) and a guitar (TRS) at the same time?
Thank you very much!
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Post by: sonicassault on September 15, 2014, 10:04:49 AM
Okay noob question. Say I have an audio interface that can record 2 tracks at a time, with 2 (not combo) XLR and 2 TRS inputs, and 1 phantom power switch (for both not for each input). Like this one: http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/MTrackPlus.html
Is phantom power only applied sa XLR inputs? or also sa TRS?
With phantom power ON, is it okay if I: 1)use a condenser (XLR) and a dynamic mic (XLR) at the same time? 2)use a condenser (XLR) and a guitar (TRS) at the same time?
Thank you very much!
Yes, it's fine :) yung phantom power sa XLR lang, at di naman naapektuhan ang dynamic nung phantom power :-D
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Post by: jepbueno on September 15, 2014, 10:12:02 AM
Yes, it's fine :) yung phantom power sa XLR lang, at di naman naapektuhan ang dynamic nung phantom power :-D
Ayun, so sa XLR input lang nga hahaha. Thanks!!
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Post by: kirov on September 15, 2014, 10:21:07 AM
Plug your mics first, then turn on the phantom.
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Post by: jepbueno on October 13, 2014, 09:40:55 AM
How do you "cleanly" raise/boost a recorded guitar with low volume level? Hindi na kasi namin pwede ulitin eh. Yung other instruments tama ang level, yung guitar mahina (medyo maliit yung waveform, pero hindi naman maliit na maliit) kaya pag nagmix ako hinahabol ko pababa, kaya overall nagiging mababa level ng buong kanta, mga 60-70% ng dapat na level lang ang nagagawa ko. Pano kaya?
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Post by: sonicassault on October 13, 2014, 09:52:34 AM
How do you "cleanly" raise/boost a recorded guitar with low volume level? Hindi na kasi namin pwede ulitin eh. Yung other instruments tama ang level, yung guitar mahina (medyo maliit yung waveform, pero hindi naman maliit na maliit) kaya pag nagmix ako hinahabol ko pababa, kaya overall nagiging mababa level ng buong kanta, mga 60-70% ng dapat na level lang ang nagagawa ko. Pano kaya?
feeling ko mali ito pero baka pwede mo itaas yung level ng guitar track using plugins (pang amplify, or yung mga output level fader sa mga EQ), or same plugin pero sa master track mo ilalagay. Mas malinis siguro kung yung guitar lang ang itataas.
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Post by: jepbueno on October 13, 2014, 10:04:31 AM
^Oo nga no, try ko padaanin sa something na maamplify, acoustic kasi eh na mic'd satisfied na sana ako sa tunog EQ na lang ginalaw ko ng konti pero yun nga mahina..
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Post by: Ralph_Petrucci on October 13, 2014, 10:48:23 AM
^Oo nga no, try ko padaanin sa something na maamplify, acoustic kasi eh na mic'd satisfied na sana ako sa tunog EQ na lang ginalaw ko ng konti pero yun nga mahina..
download a loudness maximizer plugin. LOUDMAX search mo. yun ang gamit kong pangamplify ng mga acoustic tracks ko.
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Post by: sonicassault on October 13, 2014, 10:54:06 AM
download a loudness maximizer plugin. LOUDMAX search mo. yun ang gamit kong pangamplify ng mga acoustic tracks ko.
question sir, naeencounter mo ba sa plugin na ito yung nagpupump yung volume dahil sa compression/limiting? yung mga tracks ko kasi alam ko mahina and sure ako sa settings ko rin pero di ko ever matimpla na lalakas yung track na pang loudness wars level na hindi nagpupump yung volume nya dahil sa compression.
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Post by: jepbueno on October 13, 2014, 11:07:00 AM
^Salamat sa mga reply! :)
Nilista ko na hehe!
oohhhh loudness war. lurk mode na lang ako walang alam eh haha
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Post by: Ralph_Petrucci on October 13, 2014, 11:19:32 AM
question sir, naeencounter mo ba sa plugin na ito yung nagpupump yung volume dahil sa compression/limiting? yung mga tracks ko kasi alam ko mahina and sure ako sa settings ko rin pero di ko ever matimpla na lalakas yung track na pang loudness wars level na hindi nagpupump yung volume nya dahil sa compression.
well, yes. hahaha kaya may eq at compressor parin ako sa chain. mas gusto ko lang na pangamplify yung loudness maximizer kesa sa sliders ng track. pero in time, sa tamang pag gamit ng threshold nung maximizer, mahuhuli mo rin.
disclaimer, sa acoustic track at vocal track ko lang sya ginagamit.
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Post by: sonicassault on October 13, 2014, 11:35:50 AM
oohhhh loudness war. lurk mode na lang ako walang alam eh haha
Loudness War: yung time na full-swing ang music industry nun at CD ang de facto format ng music. peak ng loudness wars yung 90s to early 2000s.
Ang ginagawa ng mga record companies noon, gumagawa sila ng mga "hot" records, meaning yung mga levels ng tracks noon sagad lagi sa 0db, kaya pag-rip mo ng mga CD's nung panahon na yun, puro square kasi naka clip halos lahat, into at fade out lang ang hindi.
Ginawa nila to thinking na pag mas malakas ang tracks mo, mas attention grabbing (duh) at nagtatranslate yun sa mas mataas na sales. At siya nga naman, kung nagrelease ka ng well-mastered record sa panahon na yun, malamang hindi maririnig yung music mo compared sa nakakabingi na records.
Saktong grunge/nu metal/hip hop/rap pa ang uso noon kaya hindi napapansin ng tao masyado na ultra compressed ang mga pinapakinggan nila, walang dynamics, walang air, nakakfatigue. Fortunately dahil sa advocacy ng ilang mga engineers at artists na feeling engineer, nagkaroon naman ng movement toward normalcy. Although pumapalo pa rin ng 0db ang mga tracks ngayon, usually peaks na lang sya, hindi na yung 90% ng track.
Para marinig yung difference ng loudness war era na music tsaka yung noon at ngayon, try mo pakinggan side by side yung mga albums na to pero wag mo gagalawin yung volume knob mo:
Pre-Loudness War: Kill em All - Metallica Off the Wall - Michael Jackson
Loudness war era: Sa Wakas - Sugarfree Fragmented - Up Dharma Down (particularly Pag-Agos) Meteora - Linkin Park Invincible - Michael Jackson Death Magnetic - Metallica (original release) Crash - Dave Matthews Band
Post-Loudness war: Tala-Arawan - Sugarfree Capacities - Up dharma Down A Thousand Suns - Linkin Park Michael - Michael Jackson Death Magnetic - Metallica (Guitar Hero mix) Away from the World - Dave Matthews Band
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Post by: jepbueno on October 13, 2014, 11:42:01 AM
Yan pala yung napanood ko sa youtube dati nung nagsearch ako ng Dani California, comparison ng CD at Vinyl version.. hmm
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Post by: sonicassault on October 13, 2014, 11:57:01 AM
Yan pala yung napanood ko sa youtube dati nung nagsearch ako ng Dani California, comparison ng CD at Vinyl version.. hmm
medyo unfair pa yung ikumpara sa vinyl version kasi talagang hindi ka pwede mag master beyond a certain point or else sabog mismo yung grooves nung plaka. sa digital kasi, pwede ka magmaster kahit gaano kalakas, magcclip lang yung signal. Dun mo makikita na nag-effort na rin yung mga producers na magprint ng mas tamang mix na kahit papaano matutuwa yung engineer.
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Post by: jepbueno on October 13, 2014, 12:14:34 PM
Sabi nga ni Tom Petty.. "Recording, it's an entirely different art form."
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Post by: sonicassault on October 13, 2014, 01:20:18 PM
^IMO dapat yung pinakacore ng song full band sabay sabay talaga, mas may feel pa rin.
Oo nga sir, sa sound city docu ko yata yan narinig! :) Nakakatawa yung part na ineexplain ni Neve mismo yung console kay Dave Grohl hahah
Yung hindi nya alam na high school dropout si Dave :lol:
Medyo OT, medyo BTT: counted ba as analog ang isang recording kung kunwari nagrecord ka ng isang kanta sa protools, tapos bawat isang track idadaan mo sa isang track sa isang Neve console, to 2 inch tape? Balita ko kasi yun ang ginagawa minsan sa mga tracks na minamaster abroad para makuha yung "analog sound". pero di ba pag ganun parang dinaan mo lang sa EQ yung digital tracks mo? Alam ko meron pa ngang plugin na ang purpose lang ay i-emulate yung "warmth" ng Neve console, tapos may blind A/B test pa sila eh.
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Post by: samuelfianza on October 13, 2014, 05:17:58 PM
^ Hybrid.
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Post by: El Mariachi on October 13, 2014, 06:01:38 PM
After maka-backread ng konti. . . So it means na mas magandang mag-recording na full band all-at-once setting? Kesa sa one-by-one tapos bahala na editing sa multi-track or per track? Pahingi po ako ng enlightenment mga masters.. :? Super noob sa recording..
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Post by: sonicassault on October 13, 2014, 06:31:56 PM
After maka-backread ng konti. . . So it means na mas magandang mag-recording na full band all-at-once setting? Kesa sa one-by-one tapos bahala na editing sa multi-track or per track? Pahingi po ako ng enlightenment mga masters.. :? Super noob sa recording..
It depends on what you want to achieve. Each has its pros and cons. Sa full band, you have one arrangement, and one shot to get EVERYTHING right. Kung tight yung band, several takes, and you're done. If they're not tight, or super OC, it will take forever TOGETHER, but the end result is as live as you can get. Then you can have overdubs for additional effects or parts. What you can achieve is basically what you get from the early 60s to 80s music, or for a more modern version, the stuff you can watch from Live from Abbey Road and Tower Sessions.
Pag per track naman, super linis bawat instrument, and there's pretty much infinite room for anything you want to do with a certain voice in the mix. This is the more prevalent form of recording today, especially with really powerful computers and samplers. If you have a pop production for example, someone can write a scratch in an iPad, and then add parts until it all comes together, then overdub everything for the final take. Not to mention vocals, which sometimes can take all 16 tracks just for layering and doubling and harmonies. Instrument micing too, especially overproduced drums, which can also take up to 10 mics plus triggers for four piece kit. You can experiment with wild effects and not affect any other voice in the mix as far as the wet output is concerned, or you can be ultra nitpicky and achieve a very sterile sound. This method has the most flexibility in terms of production value, but has less "air" and live feel compared to one off recordings.
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Post by: jepbueno on October 14, 2014, 11:47:17 AM
^Super noob here too. Hehe. RHCP live daw nagrerecord ng pinakacore ng songs (accdg sa isang interview ng mixing engineer na si Ethan Mates), then siyempre overdubs, backing vocals. Super rehearsed na siguro yun, and alam naman nating tight talaga sila lalo na ang drummer. Kapag ganun naman nga ang drummer... haha. Anyway multitrack pa rin naman kahit sabay sabay. Ang talagang old school eh noong wala pang multitrack, yung mics lang sa room, mala-early beatles yata, yun ang tunay na live recording for me.
Personally, gusto ko yata at least may isang kasabay kahit bassist or drummer.. or kahit sabay sabay lahat, except sa vocals. Or..........pwede rin naman siguro sabay sabay, pero separate rooms.
Si Dave Grohl daw first ever niya gumamit ng click sa recording sa "Lithium".
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: sonicassault on October 14, 2014, 12:09:10 PM
^Super noob here too. Hehe. RHCP live daw nagrerecord ng pinakacore ng songs (accdg sa isang interview ng mixing engineer na si Ethan Mates), then siyempre overdubs, backing vocals. Super rehearsed na siguro yun, and alam naman nating tight talaga sila lalo na ang drummer. Kapag ganun naman nga ang drummer... haha. Anyway multitrack pa rin naman kahit sabay sabay. Ang talagang old school eh noong wala pang multitrack, yung mics lang sa room, mala-early beatles yata, yun ang tunay na live recording for me.
Personally, gusto ko yata at least may isang kasabay kahit bassist or drummer.. or kahit sabay sabay lahat, except sa vocals. Or..........pwede rin naman siguro sabay sabay, pero separate rooms.
Si Dave Grohl daw first ever niya gumamit ng click sa recording sa "Lithium".
Nung nagrecord kami sa Circus studios, syempre 2 inch tape, tapos since mga high school pa lang kami nun, walang click track. We did it multitrack style, isa-isa ang pagrecord, but when I did the drums, we had a guide track thing going on, so everyone was plugged in and recorded, and then when we were happy with how the drums came out, the other guys overdubbed their parts until the whole song was completed.
It could also be a nightmare too. In another band, where I was doing guitars, our drummer sucked back then, and it took us 6 hours to track the drums for one song. And since his timing was sloppy and there were no click tracks or on-time guide tracks, the bassist and I were also at it for 6 damn hours and our fingers were literally bleeding. Tapos 2 inch tape pa yun kailangan maghintay ma-rewind yung tape :eek:
So basically either technique has their place, and it does sometimes depend on how the band itself works.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: jepbueno on October 14, 2014, 02:39:41 PM
Maiba tayo, tumingin tingin lang ako ng mga studio sa net.. Bakit marami akong nakikita na track ball ang gamit instead of mouse?
Eto sa idol ko haha (http://www.premierguitar.com/ext/resources/images/content/2014_02/FEAT/Frusciante/Frusciante-studio-web.jpg)
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: Ralph_Petrucci on October 14, 2014, 02:52:08 PM
since limited ang table space, mas madaling inavigate using the trackball. pati sa studio na pinagrerecordan namin, trackball sila.
+1 ayos lang din namankung kunwari naka Mac ka tapos naka Magic Trackpad masarap din gamitin yun, pero for super limited desk space, the best talaga ang trackball. Di sya gagalaw, tapos mas ergonomic sya kaysa sa trackpad.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: CeL1916 on October 16, 2014, 03:48:48 PM
May alam ba kayong free vst para sa cajon?
Or anong technique niyo pag haimbawa acoustic song with drums(vst yung drums pero ayaw niyo siya mag appear na maingay or angat since acoustic nga yung record) hahaha labo ng tanong ko, pero ayun.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: jepbueno on October 16, 2014, 04:58:06 PM
^gamit ko ngayon yung drum machine na FPC ng fruity loops, pag medyo soft sounding gusto ko binabawasan ko lang yung velocity nung midi note. haha labo din yata ng sagot ko.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: sonicassault on October 16, 2014, 05:11:37 PM
Or anong technique niyo pag haimbawa acoustic song with drums(vst yung drums pero ayaw niyo siya mag appear na maingay or angat since acoustic nga yung record) hahaha labo ng tanong ko, pero ayun.
regular kit din, pero yung mga velocity at most 50% lang. tapos jazz kit. rim clicks. kung may brushes yun din, pero ang hirap i-program ng brushes. o kaya yung pinakamadali na maisip ko mic mo na lang yung cajon, tapos sabayan mo ng shaker :)
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: sonicassault on October 16, 2014, 06:53:13 PM
Question:
May dalawa akong rhythm guitar tracks, acoustic, playing the same chords but with variations (say yung isa barre na G major tapos yung isa open G). Each is mic'd basically at the same spot with the same mic, mono lang. Of course, phase problems happen. I tried delaying a track up to 20ms and/or flipping the phase. I still get either a comb filter effect or a trippy wave effect. Any suggestions?
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: CeL1916 on October 17, 2014, 05:23:06 AM
^gamit ko ngayon yung drum machine na FPC ng fruity loops, pag medyo soft sounding gusto ko binabawasan ko lang yung velocity nung midi note. haha labo din yata ng sagot ko.
regular kit din, pero yung mga velocity at most 50% lang. tapos jazz kit. rim clicks. kung may brushes yun din, pero ang hirap i-program ng brushes. o kaya yung pinakamadali na maisip ko mic mo na lang yung cajon, tapos sabayan mo ng shaker :)
Ok mga bros! Got it, salamat ng madami!
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: Ralph_Petrucci on October 17, 2014, 10:57:44 AM
Or anong technique niyo pag haimbawa acoustic song with drums(vst yung drums pero ayaw niyo siya mag appear na maingay or angat since acoustic nga yung record) hahaha labo ng tanong ko, pero ayun.
standard drum kit parin, pero use a wood snare tapos mejo loose yng tuning, less velocity, no open hihats, ride and hats lang tska splash.
tapos reverb. para soft sounding.
si SuperiorDrummer meron siyang patch for jazz/cocktail kit. solid na yun paps.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: Ralph_Petrucci on October 17, 2014, 11:00:08 AM
May dalawa akong rhythm guitar tracks, acoustic, playing the same chords but with variations (say yung isa barre na G major tapos yung isa open G). Each is mic'd basically at the same spot with the same mic, mono lang. Of course, phase problems happen. I tried delaying a track up to 20ms and/or flipping the phase. I still get either a comb filter effect or a trippy wave effect. Any suggestions?
pan one to the left, pan one to the right. mahirap yung ginawa mo kasi same micing technique na nga, same guitar pa.
pwede ka rin gumamit ng eq. yung isa naka scoop mid, yung isa, angat ang mids para litaw.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: sonicassault on October 17, 2014, 11:04:14 AM
pan one to the left, pan one to the right. mahirap yung ginawa mo kasi same micing technique na nga, same guitar pa.
pwede ka rin gumamit ng eq. yung isa naka scoop mid, yung isa, angat ang mids para litaw.
try ko yung eq trick, parang good idea yan. naka hard pan left and right sya eh, tapos ang ganda sa cans. tapos nung pinatugtog ko na sa stereo speakers yun phase problems :|
next time magkaibang mic and positioning na gagamitin ko :eek:
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: Ralph_Petrucci on October 17, 2014, 11:08:28 AM
try ko yung eq trick, parang good idea yan. naka hard pan left and right sya eh, tapos ang ganda sa cans. tapos nung pinatugtog ko na sa stereo speakers yun phase problems :|
next time magkaibang mic and positioning na gagamitin ko :eek:
wag hard pan. lalo kang magkakaissue nun. tama lang, alalay. tapos yun nga. eq lang. tapos pwede rin, gumamit ka ng compressor sa isa para lang maiba yung attack niya.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: sonicassault on October 17, 2014, 11:35:37 AM
wag hard pan. lalo kang magkakaissue nun. tama lang, alalay. tapos yun nga. eq lang. tapos pwede rin, gumamit ka ng compressor sa isa para lang maiba yung attack niya.
mmmm. oras na yata para mag move on sa LCR method :lol:
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: Ralph_Petrucci on October 17, 2014, 12:29:41 PM
oras na talaga paps. didn't work for me. maganda lang LCR pag headphones.
if so, any tips for widening the sound stage? since a lot of my stuff is close miked, i don't really know how to make reverbs work the way it should. di kasi nagccreate ng space yung mga reverb ko. I must be doing something wrong :-(
also, if anyone knows how to do that delay on the other side to make a wide soundstage trick, please teach me! I tried it once, puro mud lang ang nangyayari :-( I'd like to use it on rhythm acoustic guitars, which is one of the most common applications of the technique. :)
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: Ralph_Petrucci on October 17, 2014, 03:42:47 PM
if so, any tips for widening the sound stage? since a lot of my stuff is close miked, i don't really know how to make reverbs work the way it should. di kasi nagccreate ng space yung mga reverb ko. I must be doing something wrong :-(
also, if anyone knows how to do that delay on the other side to make a wide soundstage trick, please teach me! I tried it once, puro mud lang ang nangyayari :-( I'd like to use it on rhythm acoustic guitars, which is one of the most common applications of the technique. :)
get a better reverb plugin. particularly, yung may room simulator.
yung sa delay, i used to pan left and right, pero not too extreme, tapos delay ko yung right by 10ms. check mo si voxengo stereo, it does that for you by a knob.
also, next time, try to position mics differently, or use a different mic, or use a different guitar. mahirap talaga pag same na same ang equipment and technique, hindi lilitaw yung pag ka multi track ng guitar.
ako, i use a TAKAMINE EG340C, miced and then the piezo is on another track as well, I get extra Treble lang from the piezo, then the main guitar sound is via the AT2020 condenser, mic'ed on the soundhole.
next track, I mic my YAMAHA F310 Acoustic on the 12 fret; or if it calls for it, i mic it sa bridge lalo na pag strumming para makuha yung attack.
then same technique, slight panning, tapos reverb. I don't delay na.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: sonicassault on October 17, 2014, 03:55:30 PM
get a better reverb plugin. particularly, yung may room simulator.
yung sa delay, i used to pan left and right, pero not too extreme, tapos delay ko yung right by 10ms. check mo si voxengo stereo, it does that for you by a knob.
also, next time, try to position mics differently, or use a different mic, or use a different guitar. mahirap talaga pag same na same ang equipment and technique, hindi lilitaw yung pag ka multi track ng guitar.
ako, i use a TAKAMINE EG340C, miced and then the piezo is on another track as well, I get extra Treble lang from the piezo, then the main guitar sound is via the AT2020 condenser, mic'ed on the soundhole.
next track, I mic my YAMAHA F310 Acoustic on the 12 fret; or if it calls for it, i mic it sa bridge lalo na pag strumming para makuha yung attack.
then same technique, slight panning, tapos reverb. I don't delay na.
walang phase problem yung pag mix nung micd at DI signals nung Takamine? konting tipid pa tapos bibili na ako ng Phoebus :wink:
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: Ralph_Petrucci on October 17, 2014, 04:36:15 PM
walang phase problem yung pag mix nung micd at DI signals nung Takamine? konting tipid pa tapos bibili na ako ng Phoebus :wink:
wala kasi different sounding talaga sila in general. still considered electric guitar signal so may inherent brightness yung DI sound, so kinukuha ko lang yung treble or sparkle nung DI Track. yung sound niya galing parin sa mic-ed.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: sonicassault on October 17, 2014, 04:57:33 PM
wala kasi different sounding talaga sila in general. still considered electric guitar signal so may inherent brightness yung DI sound, so kinukuha ko lang yung treble or sparkle nung DI Track. yung sound niya galing parin sa mic-ed.
i just had this wild idea of using electric guitar > aco sim > aco body impulse response as the second guitar to the F-330. Hmmmmm... :wink:
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: Ralph_Petrucci on October 17, 2014, 05:57:45 PM
i just had this wild idea of using electric guitar > aco sim > aco body impulse response as the second guitar to the F-330. Hmmmmm... :wink:
unless the electric guitar is equipped with a piezo pickup, i would advise against this dahil nagiintroduce ng noise ang mga acoustic sim dahil sa increase in treble. pag nagnoise gate ka naman mawawalan ka ng dynamics. so... boom. painstall ka nalang ng elliot lemi haahha
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: kirov on October 17, 2014, 06:05:17 PM
also, if anyone knows how to do that delay on the other side to make a wide soundstage trick, please teach me! I tried it once, puro mud lang ang nangyayari :-( I'd like to use it on rhythm acoustic guitars, which is one of the most common applications of the technique. :) [/quote]
Try mo 'to bro. Very useful if your panning doesn't help create a stereo effect.
http://www.vescofx.com/vfxFreeHaas
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: El Mariachi on October 17, 2014, 06:15:36 PM
@jepbueno may options yung pan knob sa reaper? bakit di ko alam to? :|
meron pero di ko pa natatry at nagegets. haha. Parang about sa distribution yata ng db pag nagpapan ka di ko pa talaga alam.
Re: LCR. Maganda rin maghard pan, pero siyempre, as usual kadalasan mas maganda pag not totally by the rules hehe. Sabi nga nila, ang bilang daw ng mixing methods ng mga pros, kasing dami rin ng mga pro mixing engineer. haha
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: sonicassault on October 20, 2014, 09:55:09 AM
meron pero di ko pa natatry at nagegets. haha. Parang about sa distribution yata ng db pag nagpapan ka di ko pa talaga alam.
Re: LCR. Maganda rin maghard pan, pero siyempre, as usual kadalasan mas maganda pag not totally by the rules hehe. Sabi nga nila, ang bilang daw ng mixing methods ng mga pros, kasing dami rin ng mga pro mixing engineer. haha
basically napulot ko yung LCR as yung default mix ko dahil sa Metallica :lol: naka LCR yung Kill em All nila. Ang wide ng tunog kahit hard panned yung guitars. Pero yun nga depende pa rin sa kung ano ang gagana sa orchestration. check ko nga mamaya yung options dun sa pan knobs :-o
unless the electric guitar is equipped with a piezo pickup, i would advise against this dahil nagiintroduce ng noise ang mga acoustic sim dahil sa increase in treble. pag nagnoise gate ka naman mawawalan ka ng dynamics. so... boom. painstall ka nalang ng elliot lemi haahha
kanino ba pwede magpabutas ng gitara? :lol: butas lang ang kulang nung F-330 ko eh :wink:
also, if anyone knows how to do that delay on the other side to make a wide soundstage trick, please teach me! I tried it once, puro mud lang ang nangyayari :-( I'd like to use it on rhythm acoustic guitars, which is one of the most common applications of the technique. :)
Try mo 'to bro. Very useful if your panning doesn't help create a stereo effect.
http://www.vescofx.com/vfxFreeHaas
sige nga ma-try nga yan. ang tagal ko nang sinusubukan gawin yang Haas effect na yan manually but to no avail :-(
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: jepbueno on October 20, 2014, 10:24:18 AM
sir sonic ito pala yung sinasabi ko, ewan ko lang kung may nagagawa talaga ito haha
"But what about mixing in mono? Well, it's generally much harder than mixing in stereo, but you'll get much better results for your effort. The fact is that when you mix in mono you can really only separate different instruments by using differences in their relative levels and spectral content. So achieving the right balance and applying the right EQ to separate sources, becomes a lot more critical: that's why it feels harder to do. But when it's right, it is very obviously right. "
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: sonicassault on October 20, 2014, 10:43:24 AM
"But what about mixing in mono? Well, it's generally much harder than mixing in stereo, but you'll get much better results for your effort. The fact is that when you mix in mono you can really only separate different instruments by using differences in their relative levels and spectral content. So achieving the right balance and applying the right EQ to separate sources, becomes a lot more critical: that's why it feels harder to do. But when it's right, it is very obviously right. "
wow astig ah, custom settings sa pan law! di ko masyado gets yung gain compensation, di ba parang pan law lang sya pero yung center ang nagiging constant instead na hard pan?
na-amaze naman ako dun sa stereo pan at dual pan, chek ko mamaya kung ano ang effects :)
re: mixing in mono, agree ako dyan. phase issues pa lang mahirap na, tapos bigayan ng space pa sa EQ! Wise use of reverb at delay din, masters dito yung mga engineers nung 60s at 70s. pinakamahirap siguro i-mix yung acoustic band with vocals. lahat kasi ng sweet spot nasa mids. kahit mga acoustic tracks ko, yung MONO button sa master fader nagiging TONESUCK button! :lol: or parang dinaan sa phaser at TS808 yung buong track :lol:
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: jepbueno on October 20, 2014, 11:00:48 AM
Nice! Ngayon ko lang nalaman yan phase issues sa recording, hehe. At least may knowledge na ako ngayon about diyan thanks to the internet, pero hindi pa "working knowledge" haha.
http://www.homestudiocorner.com/what-is-phase/
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: sonicassault on October 20, 2014, 11:06:38 AM
Nice! Ngayon ko lang nalaman yan phase issues sa recording, hehe. At least may knowledge na ako ngayon about diyan thanks to the internet, pero hindi pa "working knowledge" haha.
http://www.homestudiocorner.com/what-is-phase/
Kaya yung sa problem track ko ang ginawa ko nag-add ako ng delay (100% wet) sa buong track para mabawasan. Flipping the polarity also kinda helps, sometimes :lol:
Magiging working knowledge na natin yan pag multiple mics na! ay nakow! :eek:
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: jao25 on November 13, 2014, 11:05:59 AM
Hi sirs, newbie here. First time ko po bibili ng mixer usb, for home recording para sa guitar and vocals both po. Eto lang ang nakikita ko na pasok sa budget ko Behringer Q502, Q802 or Q1002. Any input for this item. Thank you so much.
Ito po gamit ko sa ngayon: -Laptop -Electric and Acoustic guitar -15W Guitar amp -1 mic condeser -Headphone
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: sonicassault on November 13, 2014, 11:16:44 AM
Hi sirs, newbie here. First time ko po bibili ng mixer usb, for home recording para sa guitar and vocals both po. Eto lang ang nakikita ko na pasok sa budget ko Behringer Q502, Q802 or Q1002. Any input for this item. Thank you so much.
Ito po gamit ko sa ngayon: -Laptop -Electric and Acoustic guitar -15W Guitar amp -1 mic condeser -Headphone
I suggest kumuha ka ng USB audio interface like the M-Audio M-Track, instead of a USB mixer. AFAIK yung Behringer na mixers isang stereo track lang ang maooutput nya, compared to two individual tracks when using a dedicated audio interface. Unless kaya mo magrecord na naka hard pan left/right ang guitar at vocals mo (medyo masakit sa ulo). Also baka maging issue din ang crosstalk kahit naka hard pan ka. And personally I don't like the sound of those affordable Behringer mixers, hindi klaro. Mas mahal ang interface by a few thousand, pero super mas worth it :)
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: jao25 on November 14, 2014, 12:08:15 PM
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I suggest kumuha ka ng USB audio interface like the M-Audio M-Track, instead of a USB mixer. AFAIK yung Behringer na mixers isang stereo track lang ang maooutput nya, compared to two individual tracks when using a dedicated audio interface. Unless kaya mo magrecord na naka hard pan left/right ang guitar at vocals mo (medyo masakit sa ulo). Also baka maging issue din ang crosstalk kahit naka hard pan ka. And personally I don't like the sound of those affordable Behringer mixers, hindi klaro. Mas mahal ang interface by a few thousand, pero super mas worth it
Thank you sir sa info, nag search ako about M-aduio track. The best nga ito. But i have i tight budget, I'm a family man na kasi, kumgaba eh siningit ko lang ito dahil gusto ko matutunan ang basic recording. Mukhang ang bagsak ko nito ay sa Q502 or Q802 lang. At least alam ko na kung ano best way na gamitin na interface. Anyway sir thank so much sa pagsagot. :)
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: sonicassault on November 14, 2014, 01:48:26 PM
Thank you sir sa info, nag search ako about M-aduio track. The best nga ito. But i have i tight budget, I'm a family man na kasi, kumgaba eh siningit ko lang ito dahil gusto ko matutunan ang basic recording. Mukhang ang bagsak ko nito ay sa Q502 or Q802 lang. At least alam ko na kung ano best way na gamitin na interface. Anyway sir thank so much sa pagsagot. :)
kung sa mixer ang bagsak mo, do yourself a favor and record only two tracks at once, and pan them hard left and hard right. so kunwari, guitar and vocals, yung vocals naka pan left tapos yung guitar naka pan right. that way pwede mo ma-split into two mono tracks, then mix accordingly. good luck! :)
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: jao25 on November 14, 2014, 02:51:21 PM
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kung sa mixer ang bagsak mo, do yourself a favor and record only two tracks at once, and pan them hard left and hard right. so kunwari, guitar and vocals, yung vocals naka pan left tapos yung guitar naka pan right. that way pwede mo ma-split into two mono tracks, then mix accordingly. good luck!
Ok sir, WOW salamat sa talaga sa pag response, sa totoo lang hindi ko pa alam about sa Pan, pero tinuro mo na sakin at kung paano ang mga gagawin.. Thank you so much sir!.. :)
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: sonicassault on November 14, 2014, 02:58:54 PM
Ok sir, WOW salamat sa talaga sa pag response, sa totoo lang hindi ko pa alam about sa Pan, pero tinuro mo na sakin at kung paano ang mga gagawin.. Thank you so much sir!.. :)
FYI na lang, yung pan knob yung parang "balance" knob sa mga stereo units natin, yun yung knob na nagsasabi kung sa aling speaker/channel mas malakas ang tunog. so pag "pan left" mo ng isang track, mas malakas sya sa left speaker kaysa sa kanan, pag tinodo mo na ("hard pan" colloquially) sa kaliwa lang sya lalabas :)
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: jao25 on November 14, 2014, 03:06:07 PM
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FYI na lang, yung pan knob yung parang "balance" knob sa mga stereo units natin, yun yung knob na nagsasabi kung sa aling speaker/channel mas malakas ang tunog. so pag "pan left" mo ng isang track, mas malakas sya sa left speaker kaysa sa kanan, pag tinodo mo na ("hard pan" colloquially) sa kaliwa lang sya lalabas :)
Ok sir noted po.. malaking tulong talaga ang mga sianabi ninyo. Thank you so much.. :)
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: kevzkie024 on March 06, 2015, 12:20:28 PM
OT: Good afternoon po. Me and my band mate are kinda new to recording stuff. Kakatapos lang ng first song na nairecord namin. Balak ko po sana humingi ng opinion nyo regarding mixing and mastering of the song. Saan thread po pwede magpa-critic? :)
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: jepbueno on May 08, 2015, 02:11:31 PM
OT: Good afternoon po. Me and my band mate are kinda new to recording stuff. Kakatapos lang ng first song na nairecord namin. Balak ko po sana humingi ng opinion nyo regarding mixing and mastering of the song. Saan thread po pwede magpa-critic? :)
pwede na dito!
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: sonicassault on May 08, 2015, 06:36:24 PM
Wow. Phono, ADAT I/O, word clock, USB hub, tapos may talkback pa! This is the ultimate 2-in home recording interface/hub!
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: Jnsk on May 29, 2015, 04:30:11 PM
Good day! I'm new to all these home recording stuff. I just wanna ask something about direct recording.
Any way I can make my guitar sound, uh, not bad? I know it's still better to record an amp through a mic but for now hindi pa po kaya.
I have here an m-audio m-track as my interface. Ano pong recommend nyo na gamitin kong cab simulator or would you mind sharing eq settings. :s Also do I need a DI box or I'm just completely stupid in what I'm doing :lol:
So ayun, hope someone will respond.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: sonicassault on May 29, 2015, 05:44:55 PM
Good day! I'm new to all these home recording stuff. I just wanna ask something about direct recording.
Any way I can make my guitar sound, uh, not bad? I know it's still better to record an amp through a mic but for now hindi pa po kaya.
I have here an m-audio m-track as my interface. Ano pong recommend nyo na gamitin kong cab simulator or would you mind sharing eq settings. :s Also do I need a DI box or I'm just completely stupid in what I'm doing :lol:
So ayun, hope someone will respond.
If you're recording your pedalboard's signal straight to the DAW with no sign of an amp and cab sim (say from a Sansamp or a Zoom G3), then it will definitely sound really bad (especially when distortion comes into play).
Amplitube for Fender amps, I prefer Guitar Rig for Marshall amps. Both have cab sims with mic and room parameters.
You don't really need a DI box. A DI box will help, if you were plugging into a top notch interface with a nice preamp. But in this case, there won't be much difference. Just plug your guitar into the guitar input, flip the switch to "guitar" and fire away :)
As for EQ, it really depends on the kind of sound you want with your guitar and how you want to make it sit in the mix. But generally, if you find it muddy, slap a parametric EQ (yung may graph) on, select a narrow Q (how many frequencies are affected when you boost or cut), then boost it to hell. play with the frequency and the Q until you find one that makes it sound really muddy, then cut that frequency. Not completely, maybe 1-2 dB if it's real bad.
Or idaan mo sa Sonic Maximizer na plugin.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: sonicassault on June 29, 2015, 05:20:18 PM
I have a question: can I run two (of the same) audio interfaces to effectively add inputs? I have an M-Audio M-Track with two inputs, I was wondering if I can get another one and double my inputs? Would there be a problem with mapping or latency or would it just not work? What if they were different interfaces, say my M-Audio and a Saffire one? I'm running on OS X Mavericks, any help will be appreciated! :) (reason for asking: too lazy to buy a new interface then sell previous one)
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: Ralph_Petrucci on June 29, 2015, 05:31:00 PM
I have a question: can I run two (of the same) audio interfaces to effectively add inputs? I have an M-Audio M-Track with two inputs, I was wondering if I can get another one and double my inputs? Would there be a problem with mapping or latency or would it just not work? What if they were different interfaces, say my M-Audio and a Saffire one? I'm running on OS X Mavericks, any help will be appreciated! :) (reason for asking: too lazy to buy a new interface then sell previous one)
kaya to ng MAC if im not mistaken. they have multiple videos in youtube showing how to use multiple interfaces in one session.
sa windows, kailangang imap one by one through asio4all
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Post by: sonicassault on June 29, 2015, 05:39:38 PM
kaya to ng MAC if im not mistaken. they have multiple videos in youtube showing how to use multiple interfaces in one session.
sa windows, kailangang imap one by one through asio4all
thanks bro! I'll check those videos. Mas tipid kasi magdagdg na lang kaysa bumili ng 4 in na interface :wink:
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: JanMayer on June 30, 2015, 06:38:21 PM
Paano magrecord ng radio quality/high quality acoustic song? Nasa equipment ba? Ang equipment ko lang ngayon is a behringer xenyx q802 usb mixer and samson c01 condenser microphone. Possible bang maka achieve ng radio quality recording sa setup ko? :)
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Post by: Ralph_Petrucci on June 30, 2015, 06:49:06 PM
Paano magrecord ng radio quality/high quality acoustic song? Nasa equipment ba? Ang equipment ko lang ngayon is a behringer xenyx q802 usb mixer and samson c01 condenser microphone. Possible bang maka achieve ng radio quality recording sa setup ko? :)
both equipment and technique comes to play. with your current setup, you'll be able to achieve decent sounding recordings. post production techniques and mixing and mastering techniques are required to nail that radio quality recording. you can look for tutorials about mixing and mastering in youtube.
trust me on this tho, its not an overnight thing. kaya merong mga studio na sikat na sikat kasi alam na talaga nila ginagawa nila. and it usually takes years and years of practice to nail it.
check my soundcloud for the recent recording of Gravitym and No Name. we both have roughly the same equipment. after 4 years of recording, thats the best I could do with what I have.
it might be worth to note that i dont mix with speakers because i dont have desktop monitors. i only use a sennheiser pair and then listen to it through different sources (play on apple earphones, play on bluetooth speakers, play on home theater system.)
AFAIK, best to mix on desktop monitors.
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Post by: sonicassault on June 30, 2015, 08:16:25 PM
both equipment and technique comes to play. with your current setup, you'll be able to achieve decent sounding recordings. post production techniques and mixing and mastering techniques are required to nail that radio quality recording. you can look for tutorials about mixing and mastering in youtube.
trust me on this tho, its not an overnight thing. kaya merong mga studio na sikat na sikat kasi alam na talaga nila ginagawa nila. and it usually takes years and years of practice to nail it.
check my soundcloud for the recent recording of Gravitym and No Name. we both have roughly the same equipment. after 4 years of recording, thats the best I could do with what I have.
it might be worth to note that i dont mix with speakers because i dont have desktop monitors. i only use a sennheiser pair and then listen to it through different sources (play on apple earphones, play on bluetooth speakers, play on home theater system.)
AFAIK, best to mix on desktop monitors.
to add to this, minsan kahit gaano ka-same ang setup at settings mo, minsan jebs pa rin ang lalabas, minsan ginto. I only ever had one good acoustic guitar cut, yung cover ko ng Gravity sa soundcloud ko rin matatagpuan, but using the same setup, I never achieved the same result. Fast forward to today, I did a haphazard setup with my new condenser (AT2020, not much) and my new PG-20 guitar as test tracks, and the result was really decent.
Eventually malalaman mo yung sweet spot ng mic at guitar mo, at kung papasok ka sa mic+DI route, may tamang timpla din yan. Reverb is really hard to master. Wala pa dyan yung doubling the acoustic way :eek:
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Post by: JanMayer on June 30, 2015, 08:43:02 PM
both equipment and technique comes to play. with your current setup, you'll be able to achieve decent sounding recordings. post production techniques and mixing and mastering techniques are required to nail that radio quality recording. you can look for tutorials about mixing and mastering in youtube.
trust me on this tho, its not an overnight thing. kaya merong mga studio na sikat na sikat kasi alam na talaga nila ginagawa nila. and it usually takes years and years of practice to nail it.
check my soundcloud for the recent recording of Gravitym and No Name. we both have roughly the same equipment. after 4 years of recording, thats the best I could do with what I have.
it might be worth to note that i dont mix with speakers because i dont have desktop monitors. i only use a sennheiser pair and then listen to it through different sources (play on apple earphones, play on bluetooth speakers, play on home theater system.)
AFAIK, best to mix on desktop monitors.
Wala rin akong decent monitors haha at nag mimix lang ako sa cheap philips headphones. Sobrang pangit ng quality ng mga recordings ko haha nakakainis. Kailangan ko talaga siguro mag-aral pa ng mixing at recording techniques.
Bro pano ka pala nagdadag ng piano track sa No Name mo? Interested din akong magdagdag ng mga unplugged instruments such as pianos, guitar and drums kaso wala akong alam sa MIDI at wala akong MIDI controller.
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Post by: sonicassault on July 01, 2015, 08:18:40 AM
Wala rin akong decent monitors haha at nag mimix lang ako sa cheap philips headphones. Sobrang pangit ng quality ng mga recordings ko haha nakakainis. Kailangan ko talaga siguro mag-aral pa ng mixing at recording techniques.
Bro pano ka pala nagdadag ng piano track sa No Name mo? Interested din akong magdagdag ng mga unplugged instruments such as pianos, guitar and drums kaso wala akong alam sa MIDI at wala akong MIDI controller.
kaya pangit yung mix mo dahil pangit yung gamit mo na pang monitor. the golden rule sa mixing is (well, this is the inverse of the rule basta) pag nagmix ka sa pangit, dun lang sya magtutunog maganda, tapos pangit na sa iba. the best monitors will have better frequency response na pag ok dun ang mix mo, maganda ang translation kahit sa mga pangit na speakers/cans. sa recording lang yata nag-aapply yung rule na gear first before technique. pag ang amateur at pro pinagamit mo ng magandang gear, yung amateur magtutunog decent yan, pero pag pinagamit mo sila pareho ng jebs na gear, pareho silang hirap.
inimbitahan nya si Len Calvo para mag keys :lol: MIDI controller at plugin yan. pwede ka naman maglagay ng drums via MIDI without a controller, pero di mo na magagawa yung piano parts unless super tiyaga mo, or mga synth lead lines lang na simple. if you're gonna do a cover, pwede ka kkumuha ng midi file sa internet tapos salpak mo sa DAW
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Post by: Ralph_Petrucci on July 01, 2015, 03:04:37 PM
Wala rin akong decent monitors haha at nag mimix lang ako sa cheap philips headphones. Sobrang pangit ng quality ng mga recordings ko haha nakakainis. Kailangan ko talaga siguro mag-aral pa ng mixing at recording techniques.
Bro pano ka pala nagdadag ng piano track sa No Name mo? Interested din akong magdagdag ng mga unplugged instruments such as pianos, guitar and drums kaso wala akong alam sa MIDI at wala akong MIDI controller.
invest ka muna sa flat monitors kahit mura. parang sennheiser HD201. pwede n. ang philips kasi ma-bass. so, mejo hindi transparent ang mixing mo.
importante ang mic techniques lalo na sa gitara at boses.
yung No Name, pinagrecord ko ng Midi File yung keyboardist namin, sinend niya sakin ang MIDI file, tapos pinlot ko sa DAW ko through my VSTi (2 layers, EZ Keys, tska Native Intruments Komplete Free; para lang mag tunog natural at multi miced)
maganda rin mag aral ng midi. yung gravity ko, may subtle keyboard track yan. keyboard na nakapad/reverb parang nageease in na chords. ako na yung bumanat jan. chords lang eh. hahaha
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Post by: sonicassault on July 01, 2015, 03:24:15 PM
invest ka muna sa flat monitors kahit mura. parang sennheiser HD201. pwede n. ang philips kasi ma-bass. so, mejo hindi transparent ang mixing mo.
importante ang mic techniques lalo na sa gitara at boses.
yung No Name, pinagrecord ko ng Midi File yung keyboardist namin, sinend niya sakin ang MIDI file, tapos pinlot ko sa DAW ko through my VSTi (2 layers, EZ Keys, tska Native Intruments Komplete Free; para lang mag tunog natural at multi miced)
maganda rin mag aral ng midi. yung gravity ko, may subtle keyboard track yan. keyboard na nakapad/reverb parang nageease in na chords. ako na yung bumanat jan. chords lang eh. hahaha
I can vouch for the Sennheiser HD201. I mixed most of my stuff there, before the Grado came in. Para sakin, super minimum na yung Apple earpods kung makakahiram ka.
In addition sa mic placement for vocals, importante din yung choice of mic, may mga taong tulad ko na inaayawan ng condenser :lol:
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Post by: JanMayer on July 01, 2015, 09:03:03 PM
I can vouch for the Sennheiser HD201. I mixed most of my stuff there, before the Grado came in. Para sakin, super minimum na yung Apple earpods kung makakahiram ka.
In addition sa mic placement for vocals, importante din yung choice of mic, may mga taong tulad ko na inaayawan ng condenser :lol:
Interesting yung Sennheiser HD201.. magkano at saan nakakabili? Hahaha, panahon na siguro para mag upgrade ako ng konti para sa home recording setup ko. Malaking difference ba ang makukuha ko pag nag palit ako ng microphone from Samson C01 to Audio Technica AT2020?
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Post by: sonicassault on July 02, 2015, 08:10:31 AM
Interesting yung Sennheiser HD201.. magkano at saan nakakabili? Hahaha, panahon na siguro para mag upgrade ako ng konti para sa home recording setup ko. Malaking difference ba ang makukuha ko pag nag palit ako ng microphone from Samson C01 to Audio Technica AT2020?
halos kahit saang retailer (dept store, v mall, apple store) na nagbebenta ng sennheiser meron nyan, pero syempre suki ako ng Egghead sa galleria so try mo dun :) mura lang, ung binili ko sya six years ago mga 1.2k lang, mas mura pa sa earphones ng apple.
No, hindi malaki yung difference, pero malaki yung impact, the same way yung 0.1dB na change mo sa isang EQ band ay subtle pero malaki ang effect. Get the cans first, and if you're gonna upgrade your Samson C01, upgrade ka na sa next level ng mic
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Post by: Ralph_Petrucci on July 02, 2015, 12:44:26 PM
Interesting yung Sennheiser HD201.. magkano at saan nakakabili? Hahaha, panahon na siguro para mag upgrade ako ng konti para sa home recording setup ko. Malaking difference ba ang makukuha ko pag nag palit ako ng microphone from Samson C01 to Audio Technica AT2020?
di hamak na malaki ang difference, quality wise, pero IMHO, unahin mo yung headphones dahil kahit naka AT2020 ka, pero di mo naririnig ng maayos yung minimix mo, wala ring saysay yung upgrade mo.
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Post by: JanMayer on July 02, 2015, 12:53:08 PM
halos kahit saang retailer (dept store, v mall, apple store) na nagbebenta ng sennheiser meron nyan, pero syempre suki ako ng Egghead sa galleria so try mo dun :) mura lang, ung binili ko sya six years ago mga 1.2k lang, mas mura pa sa earphones ng apple.
No, hindi malaki yung difference, pero malaki yung impact, the same way yung 0.1dB na change mo sa isang EQ band ay subtle pero malaki ang effect. Get the cans first, and if you're gonna upgrade your Samson C01, upgrade ka na sa next level ng mic
Salamat bro. Try ko maghanap sa alabang town center next week :)
E kung audio interface ang iupgrade? From xenyx 802 to scarlett 2i2? Malaki ba difference? Haha
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Post by: JanMayer on July 02, 2015, 12:55:18 PM
di hamak na malaki ang difference, quality wise, pero IMHO, unahin mo yung headphones dahil kahit naka AT2020 ka, pero di mo naririnig ng maayos yung minimix mo, wala ring saysay yung upgrade mo.
Osige bro, baka kumuha ako next week kung makakahanap ako sa ATC haha.
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Post by: sonicassault on July 02, 2015, 01:00:44 PM
Salamat bro. Try ko maghanap sa alabang town center next week :)
E kung audio interface ang iupgrade? From xenyx 802 to scarlett 2i2? Malaki ba difference? Haha
Malaki difference nyan :lol: pero for the money sa M-Track na lang ako may MIDI I/O yun eh tapos 5k++ lang :wink: di ko lang alam kung maganda yung preamp ng Scarlett but I think it's not gonna matter unless talagang hindi na demo/indie releaseangpinaguusapan.
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Post by: JanMayer on July 02, 2015, 01:04:25 PM
Malaki difference nyan :lol: pero for the money sa M-Track na lang ako may MIDI I/O yun eh tapos 5k++ lang :wink: di ko lang alam kung maganda yung preamp ng Scarlett but I think it's not gonna matter unless talagang hindi na demo/indie releaseangpinaguusapan.
Haha sikat ata sa scarlett 2i2 yung preamps nya eh, maganda daw preamps ng scarlett. Haha anong model ng M-Track? Isang model lang na yun? Haha balak ko kasi mag record ng high quality demos/recordings para sa mga acoustic original songs ko :)
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Post by: sonicassault on July 02, 2015, 01:47:36 PM
Haha sikat ata sa scarlett 2i2 yung preamps nya eh, maganda daw preamps ng scarlett. Haha anong model ng M-Track? Isang model lang na yun? Haha balak ko kasi mag record ng high quality demos/recordings para sa mga acoustic original songs ko :)
M-Audio M-Track, yung ordinary version. yung Pro version kasi mas mahal pero may kasamang ProTools SE lang.
with regard to the preamp, sabihin natin na yung mga preamp sa affordable USB interface market segment parang iodized salt yan. yung Xenyx mo parang rock salt sa palengke. Yung mga branded interface iodized salt: yung M-Track Fidel yung brand, yung Scarlett naman McCormick. Technically, mas maganda yung quality ng McCormick na iodized salt, pero in the end nasa quality na ng bulalo, mais, pechay (mic, recording technique, mixing technique) magkakatalo :) so in terms of pagiging sulit lang, sa M-Track ako.
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Post by: Ralph_Petrucci on July 02, 2015, 03:06:13 PM
M-Audio M-Track, yung ordinary version. yung Pro version kasi mas mahal pero may kasamang ProTools SE lang.
with regard to the preamp, sabihin natin na yung mga preamp sa affordable USB interface market segment parang iodized salt yan. yung Xenyx mo parang rock salt sa palengke. Yung mga branded interface iodized salt: yung M-Track Fidel yung brand, yung Scarlett naman McCormick. Technically, mas maganda yung quality ng McCormick na iodized salt, pero in the end nasa quality na ng bulalo, mais, pechay (mic, recording technique, mixing technique) magkakatalo :) so in terms of pagiging sulit lang, sa M-Track ako.
I'd get the M-track. the preamps do not differ much on that level. also, mas friendly si Mtrack kasi mas spacious ang layout nung interface as compared to the scarlett.
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Post by: JanMayer on July 02, 2015, 04:43:26 PM
Magkano kaya brand new ng m track? Haha try ko kumuha ng sennheiser hd201 and m-track next week kung magkakapera :))
Post nalang ako next time ng mga recordings ko tapos hingi ako sainyo ng advice about mixing and mastering :D
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Post by: JanMayer on July 02, 2015, 04:47:14 PM
Iba ba yung m-audio m-track sa m-audio fast track? Haha nalilito ako
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Post by: sonicassault on July 02, 2015, 04:54:27 PM
Magkano kaya brand new ng m track? Haha try ko kumuha ng sennheiser hd201 and m-track next week kung magkakapera :))
Post nalang ako next time ng mga recordings ko tapos hingi ako sainyo ng advice about mixing and mastering :D
Ang M-Track kuha ko mga 5k plus. Iba yung Fast Track, mas bagong model yun, tsaka overpriced dahil sa ProTools tieup. Google mo may image yan para di ka malito. (note mo may M-Track lang tapos may M-Track pro, magkaiba din yun). Sa JB meron nyan.
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Post by: JanMayer on July 31, 2015, 11:47:30 PM
Di ko magets yung Addictive Drums 2 hahahaha gusto ko lang naman kumuha ng presets para sa compo ko pero di ko magawa. Sobrang naguguluhan ako. Hahaha gusto ko rin sana iconnect siya sa reaper kaso di ako marunong. Patulong naman :cry:
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Post by: skin on August 01, 2015, 09:09:17 AM
Di ko magets yung Addictive Drums 2 hahahaha gusto ko lang naman kumuha ng presets para sa compo ko pero di ko magawa. Sobrang naguguluhan ako. Hahaha gusto ko rin sana iconnect siya sa reaper kaso di ako marunong. Patulong naman :cry:
Insert VSTi from Reaper. Sa effects button.
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Post by: JanMayer on August 01, 2015, 01:26:30 PM
Yup nagawa ko na siya pero hindi ko na magets kung pano gagawin sunod about sa presets hahaha sobrang noob ko sa ganto
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Post by: Boxedking on August 01, 2015, 02:18:42 PM
Insert midi track then set mo as FX ang AD2. Open AD2, select the BEATS tab. Browse through all the presets there. Drag and drop mo sa midi track. You can edit that by double-clicking. Edit to taste mo na lang.
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Post by: JanMayer on August 01, 2015, 04:08:36 PM
Insert midi track then set mo as FX ang AD2. Open AD2, select the BEATS tab. Browse through all the presets there. Drag and drop mo sa midi track. You can edit that by double-clicking. Edit to taste mo na lang.
I'll try that sir. Pero pag nilalagay ko yung AD2 sa reaper gumagawa siya ng maraming tracks. Ganun ba talaga yun? :)
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Post by: Boxedking on August 01, 2015, 08:52:28 PM
By default, isesetup ni AD2 na nakamulti track sya. You can disable that when opening AD2 in Reaper para single track lang.
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Post by: JanMayer on August 24, 2015, 07:20:15 PM
Ano mga magagandang condenser microphone na nasa 5k-7k ang price range? Ngayon kasi leaning na ako sa AT2020. Yun na ba yung pinaka bang for the buck na condenser sa ganitong price range or may iba pang options? :)
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Post by: sonicassault on August 25, 2015, 09:07:50 AM
Ano mga magagandang condenser microphone na nasa 5k-7k ang price range? Ngayon kasi leaning na ako sa AT2020. Yun na ba yung pinaka bang for the buck na condenser sa ganitong price range or may iba pang options? :)
Yan na yun :lol: may iba pang options, pero yan na yung pinaka maganda ang response for general use.
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Post by: Ralph_Petrucci on August 25, 2015, 10:50:23 AM
Ano mga magagandang condenser microphone na nasa 5k-7k ang price range? Ngayon kasi leaning na ako sa AT2020. Yun na ba yung pinaka bang for the buck na condenser sa ganitong price range or may iba pang options? :)
wala ka nang makukuhang ganung quality at that price. pag nilet go mo pa yung sale ni JB, baka mas mahal mo pa makuha sige ka.
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Post by: sonicassault on August 25, 2015, 10:52:52 AM
Eh kung yung fast track pro kaya? May nagbebenta dito 4k lang. Hmm..
pwede naman. I use a similar one, plus may MIDI I/O na sya yung Scarlett wala pa You will miss the better preamps of the Scarlett though, but I bet you won't actually notice :)
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Post by: JanMayer on August 25, 2015, 03:01:11 PM
pwede naman. I use a similar one, plus may MIDI I/O na sya yung Scarlett wala pa You will miss the better preamps of the Scarlett though, but I bet you won't actually notice :)
I won't use naman yung MIDI I/O feature niya kasi wala naman akong midi controller.
Siguro hanap nalang ako scarlett talaga. May nag offer sakin 6500 for a brand new scarlett so baka kunin ko na.
EDIT: Sobrang subtle lang ba talaga yung difference ng preamps/audio quality nilang dalawa? Kasi kung hindi naman noticeable, I'll go with the fast track pro nalang para mas makamura.
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Post by: Ralph_Petrucci on August 25, 2015, 03:09:44 PM
kung may gusto, wag magtipid dahil malulugi ka kakabenta in the long run. ipunin ang pera para mabili kung ano talaga ang gusto at wag kumbinsihin ang sarili na "pwede na to"
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Post by: skin on August 25, 2015, 03:11:01 PM
Ano mga magagandang condenser microphone na nasa 5k-7k ang price range? Ngayon kasi leaning na ako sa AT2020. Yun na ba yung pinaka bang for the buck na condenser sa ganitong price range or may iba pang options? :)
AT2035 kasya pa diyan.
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Post by: JanMayer on August 25, 2015, 03:16:47 PM
kung may gusto, wag magtipid dahil malulugi ka kakabenta in the long run. ipunin ang pera para mabili kung ano talaga ang gusto at wag kumbinsihin ang sarili na "pwede na to"
I won't use naman yung MIDI I/O feature niya kasi wala naman akong midi controller.
Siguro hanap nalang ako scarlett talaga. May nag offer sakin 6500 for a brand new scarlett so baka kunin ko na.
EDIT: Sobrang subtle lang ba talaga yung difference ng preamps/audio quality nilang dalawa? Kasi kung hindi naman noticeable, I'll go with the fast track pro nalang para mas makamura.
tama si ralph, kung gusto mo talaga yung scarlett, and considering di naman additional value ang MIDI I/O, yun na kunin mo.
pag preamps ang usapan, subtle na hindi. first off, depende rin kasi sa monitors mo kung marereproduce nya yun subtlety na yun. walang difference kahit ipagcompare mo pa ang M-Audio at Neve na preamps kung ang pang monitor mo eh kunwari Mackie CR3.
Sa difference itself, parang namili ka ng electric guitar string. within a certain price range, sobrang subtle ng difference, pero pag cheap vs super expensive sets na ang saka mo lang mahahalata yung difference, and even then, medyo may effort pa rin. yung Scarlett vs M-Audio, may difference naman sa quality but you'd barely hear it. mapapansin mo na lang pag nagmimix ka na.
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Post by: Ralph_Petrucci on August 25, 2015, 03:48:23 PM
in all honesty, napapansin ko ang difference sa monitors at sa mics. pero ang interface, hindi naman masyado. yung noiselevel lang at yung pagkaflat ng preamp. pero regarding quality, almost the same naman. wag lang behringer. sterile talaga.
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Post by: JanMayer on August 25, 2015, 04:01:53 PM
Nice. Sige kunin ko na lang yung offer sakin na scarlett :-D
Salamat mga paps haha patulong ako sainyo next time mag mix pati recording techniques para sa EP ko hihi
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Post by: sonicassault on August 25, 2015, 04:59:12 PM
in all honesty, napapansin ko ang difference sa monitors at sa mics. pero ang interface, hindi naman masyado. yung noiselevel lang at yung pagkaflat ng preamp. pero regarding quality, almost the same naman. wag lang behringer. sterile talaga.
noise, character, and headroom. yung huli yung pinakamadaling mapansin pag kung ano-ano na ang nirerecord mo :lol:
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Post by: JanMayer on August 28, 2015, 12:46:49 PM
Ano difference ng scarlett solo pati 2i2? Haha may nag offer ng solo eh
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Post by: sonicassault on August 28, 2015, 01:54:52 PM
Ano difference ng scarlett solo pati 2i2? Haha may nag offer ng solo eh
Yung Solo isang XLR at isang TRS input lang. Yung 2i2 dalawang XLR-slash-TRS. Sa Solo, pwede lang isang mic and isang instrument ng sabay. Sa 2i2 pwedeng isang mic isang instrument, dalawang instrument, or dalawang mic. Also, Solo has a stereo phono output, 2i2 has two balanced outputs for the left and right channels. :)
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Post by: Ralph_Petrucci on August 28, 2015, 02:24:31 PM
Yung Solo isang XLR at isang TRS input lang. Yung 2i2 dalawang XLR-slash-TRS. Sa Solo, pwede lang isang mic and isang instrument ng sabay. Sa 2i2 pwedeng isang mic isang instrument, dalawang instrument, or dalawang mic. Also, Solo has a stereo phono output, 2i2 has two balanced outputs for the left and right channels. :)
Ahh hahah salamat bro. Mag 2i2 nalang talaga ako hahaha
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Post by: JanMayer on August 28, 2015, 03:19:39 PM
Haha yup nag 2i2 nalang talaga ako since yun naman talaga ang gusto ko haha.
Anyway, na-try niyo na ba yung DI acoustic guitar tapos ipipitch shift mo siya ng -12 semitones para maging bass guitar yung effect? Haha ok naman ba results?
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Post by: sonicassault on August 28, 2015, 03:30:29 PM
Haha yup nag 2i2 nalang talaga ako since yun naman talaga ang gusto ko haha.
Anyway, na-try niyo na ba yung DI acoustic guitar tapos ipipitch shift mo siya ng -12 semitones para maging bass guitar yung effect? Haha ok naman ba results?
1. Yes 2. NO. :lol:
You would have much better luck programming and EQ-ing the stock piano sound of REAPER.
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Post by: Ralph_Petrucci on August 28, 2015, 03:49:14 PM
Haha yup nag 2i2 nalang talaga ako since yun naman talaga ang gusto ko haha.
Anyway, na-try niyo na ba yung DI acoustic guitar tapos ipipitch shift mo siya ng -12 semitones para maging bass guitar yung effect? Haha ok naman ba results?
yes, mas maganda kung electric gagamitin mo.
yun gamit ko sa karamihan ng tracks ko. electric guitar, DI to amplitube. nakalimutan ko yung bass simulator patch sa amplitube 3 na ginagamit ko. it works. pero hindi ka pwedeng mag tricky bass parts. poste bass lang. bawal yung mga tipong naglalaro.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: JanMayer on August 28, 2015, 04:25:49 PM
yun gamit ko sa karamihan ng tracks ko. electric guitar, DI to amplitube. nakalimutan ko yung bass simulator patch sa amplitube 3 na ginagamit ko. it works. pero hindi ka pwedeng mag tricky bass parts. poste bass lang. bawal yung mga tipong naglalaro.
Pwede na kung tipong acoustic guitar + bass setup lang?
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: Ralph_Petrucci on August 28, 2015, 05:17:17 PM
Pwede na kung tipong acoustic guitar + bass setup lang?
pakinggan mo yung no name to give you an idea. strat gamit ko dun as a bass. naka octaver lang na walang dry signal. it works for me kasi poste bass lang yun na papiso piso.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: sonicassault on August 28, 2015, 05:19:50 PM
pakinggan mo yung no name to give you an idea. strat gamit ko dun as a bass. naka octaver lang na walang dry signal. it works for me kasi poste bass lang yun na papiso piso.
may bass pala yun di ko napansin! :-o kala ko keys nagprovide ng bass :eek:
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: Ralph_Petrucci on August 28, 2015, 05:27:49 PM
Napakinggan ko na paps. Hahaha ganda talaga nung quality nung recording na yun. :)
yun, if that works for you, pwede mo gamitin electric then octaver. hahaha but then again, sabi nga ni kaibigan kong nkabehringer plexi, im deaf. HAHAHAHA
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: JanMayer on August 28, 2015, 06:44:55 PM
yun, if that works for you, pwede mo gamitin electric then octaver. hahaha but then again, sabi nga ni kaibigan kong nkabehringer plexi, im deaf. HAHAHAHA
Hahaha oo okay na ako na maachieve ko ganung quality for the EP haha.
Ano yung behringer plexi? hahaha sorry noob lang :))
EDIT: Ahh wait eto ba yung issue dati na yung tungkol daw sa amp niya na behringer? HAHAHA dtmateo ata yun? HAHA binabasa ko yung thread niyo ngayon eh. Laptrip [apple] HAHA
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: JanMayer on September 08, 2015, 07:14:00 PM
Malaki ba difference ng at2020 sa at2035? Or yung switches lang? Kasi kung yung switches lang eh di ko rin masyado magagamit since vocals and acoustic instruments lang naman nirerecord ko.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: sonicassault on September 09, 2015, 09:00:04 AM
Malaki ba difference ng at2020 sa at2035? Or yung switches lang? Kasi kung yung switches lang eh di ko rin masyado magagamit since vocals and acoustic instruments lang naman nirerecord ko.
switches lang :) pero wag mo maliitin yung 10dB pad, it might come in handy if you're gonna record percs or guitar cabs. oh and it comes with a shock mount na, check if the price of the AT2035 is the same as an AT2020 and a shock mount, yung 2035 na lang kunin mo.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: JanMayer on September 09, 2015, 11:12:06 AM
switches lang :) pero wag mo maliitin yung 10dB pad, it might come in handy if you're gonna record percs or guitar cabs. oh and it comes with a shock mount na, check if the price of the AT2035 is the same as an AT2020 and a shock mount, yung 2035 na lang kunin mo.
Ahh oks. Medyo mahal pala at2035 haha may makukuha akong Scarlett 2i2 + AT2020 (with pop filter + audio technica xlr cable) all for 11k. Good condition pa naman haha good deal naman ba?
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: JanMayer on September 10, 2015, 12:51:29 PM
Paano mo ba malalaman kung good or bad yung acoustics ng room mo?
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: sonicassault on September 10, 2015, 01:33:07 PM
Paano mo ba malalaman kung good or bad yung acoustics ng room mo?
-no isolation -reflections sound bad -too wet (too much reflections) or too dry (no reflections) -it makes whatever you're recording sound bad or muddy -accentuates bass frequencies
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: JanMayer on September 10, 2015, 02:17:01 PM
Haha ganun pala yun.. Nagrerecord kasi ako sa maliit na room lang tapos medyp maraming wooden furnitures, books tas may sofa bed din. Wala akong naririnig na reflections pag pumapalakpak ako pero di ako sure kung wala talaga or hindi ko lng naririnig
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: sonicassault on September 10, 2015, 02:24:11 PM
Haha ganun pala yun.. Nagrerecord kasi ako sa maliit na room lang tapos medyp maraming wooden furnitures, books tas may sofa bed din. Wala akong naririnig na reflections pag pumapalakpak ako pero di ako sure kung wala talaga or hindi ko lng naririnig
ok yan that's a good place to start :)
para maging aware ka sa room sound, dala ka ng laptop at mic, tapos magtrack ka ng vocals sa iba-ibang lugar. sa CR, sa kwarto, sa loob ng kotse (I've tried all three hahaha) tapos mapapansin mo yung effect ng space, material and shape sa marerecord na sound :)
which reminds me, I'd love to try recording a bass cab in one of our bathrooms, bassy sya, dumadagundong talaga :lol:
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: JanMayer on September 10, 2015, 06:32:03 PM
para maging aware ka sa room sound, dala ka ng laptop at mic, tapos magtrack ka ng vocals sa iba-ibang lugar. sa CR, sa kwarto, sa loob ng kotse (I've tried all three hahaha) tapos mapapansin mo yung effect ng space, material and shape sa marerecord na sound :)
which reminds me, I'd love to try recording a bass cab in one of our bathrooms, bassy sya, dumadagundong talaga :lol:
Hahaha sayang di ko machecheck kasi naka desktop ako :(
Anyway, required ba ang studio monitor speakers paramakapig mix ng maganda? Haha ano mga models to look for (yung mura lang)? Or headphones lang pwede na?
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: sonicassault on September 11, 2015, 08:18:13 AM
Hahaha sayang di ko machecheck kasi naka desktop ako :(
Anyway, required ba ang studio monitor speakers paramakapig mix ng maganda? Haha ano mga models to look for (yung mura lang)? Or headphones lang pwede na?
Yes and no.
Yes, dahil di hamak na mas maganda at accurate yung response ng mas malaking diaphragm. No, dahil metikuloso ang pag-setup ng speaker monitors. Magkamali ka lang ng distance sa pader, height, angle, speaker volume, cabling, isolation, wala na yan. Not to mention room acoustics.
So kung di kaya makagawa ng acceptable speaker monitor setup, mag headphones ka na lang. Di sayang ang pera at mix. Kung kaya naman, sulit ang speakers.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: JanMayer on September 11, 2015, 08:30:14 AM
Yes, dahil di hamak na mas maganda at accurate yung response ng mas malaking diaphragm. No, dahil metikuloso ang pag-setup ng speaker monitors. Magkamali ka lang ng distance sa pader, height, angle, speaker volume, cabling, isolation, wala na yan. Not to mention room acoustics.
So kung di kaya makagawa ng acceptable speaker monitor setup, mag headphones ka na lang. Di sayang ang pera at mix. Kung kaya naman, sulit ang speakers.
Yun nga din inaalala ko eh.. Ayun din sabi sa mga naresearch ko, balewala lang din daw ang monitors kung olats yung room haha.
Ano ulit yung maganda/ok ma headphones pang mix? Hehe
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: sonicassault on September 11, 2015, 08:42:10 AM
I'll check the grado. Alin mas accurate sakanila ni sennheiser hd201? :)
Grado. yung HD201 flat response din naman sya (a rare feature in the bottom end of headphones) but the highs are a little more present/harsh, resulting in less bright mixes. Yung Grado flat at swabe, and the bass is just the right amount of boom and articulation without going into EDM/hiphop territory. Luscious mids and highs.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: skin on September 11, 2015, 09:24:48 AM
For headphones, ATH-M50x. Kung maliit budget, Samson SR850/SR950.
but even then nearfields also still need considerable setup, especially with regard to isolation, height, and wall distance :) pero ang sarap siguro umupo sa mastering room, swabe yun!
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: axc on September 11, 2015, 12:31:25 PM
hi, ask lang po mga sir... san store/s po available d2 s manila ung mentioned grado SR80e?
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: JanMayer on September 11, 2015, 12:37:54 PM
Medyo mahal pala hahaha practice muna siguro ako sa HD201 :lol:
worth every penny my friend! :wink: bang for buck na yan sa lagay na yan!
BTT: anyone here who does production and mixing completely ITB like Ableton or Maschine? I need tips, coz I'm dipping my toes in the latter and the interface is much more simpler and performance-oriented than regular DAWs
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: JanMayer on September 15, 2015, 10:42:10 PM
Sige pag iisipan ko haha pero practice muna talaga ako siguro sa HD201 for the mean time.
of course :lol: but dont forget to reference on a lot of other headphones and speakers. yes, the HD201 is flat, but the mids are flat in a weird way that seemingly random mid frequencies from your recordings are boosted in tons of other speakers. I had to check my mixes in bluetooth speakers, car stereos, cheap DVD home theater setups, TVs, apple earbuds, everything I can get my hands on just to get the right EQ and balance when I was mixing with the HD201
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: JanMayer on September 16, 2015, 11:03:38 AM
Sige bro gagawin ko yan sa mga other speakers dito sa bahay. :)
OT: Makukuha ko na scarlett + at2020 ko mamaya. Hihihi
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: sonicassault on September 16, 2015, 11:34:18 AM
assuming maganda angtunog ng parlog guitar mo, nasa teknik lang yan :lol:
Personally, nagagandahan ako sa tunog niya. Alvarez AP66ESB yung model haha all mahogany, medyo nabalance yung tunog nung kinabitan ko ng elixir kasi nadagdagan yung brighntess/sparkle. Hehe excited na ako :))
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: peeves24 on September 21, 2015, 08:31:17 AM
share ko lang ang aking maliit na experiment sa pag mic ng bass drum
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: JanMayer on September 23, 2015, 01:25:01 AM
Nag lalagay ba kayo ng metronome pag nag rerecord kayo? Haha medyo nalilito kasi ako pag medyo complicated parts yung sa guitar tapos isasabay sa metronome :eek:
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: sonicassault on September 23, 2015, 08:53:44 AM
Nag lalagay ba kayo ng metronome pag nag rerecord kayo? Haha medyo nalilito kasi ako pag medyo complicated parts yung sa guitar tapos isasabay sa metronome :eek:
ako oo. pag nagrerecord ako ang una kong ginagawa magset ng tempo. of course para makapagprogram ng drums pero kahit di kailangan, para steady yung groove, mas madaling mag overdub, pwede mag do-over ng buong arrangement kung kailangan na kahit isa lang ang maiwan na element, and of course time-based modulation effects :)
try mo gawan ng programmed drums as click. ginagawa ko yun. sa complicated parts, naka on pareho yung click ng DAW plus yung drum track na naka-lock in sa groove nung complicated part. that way may dalawa akong reference yung isa to keep proper time, tapos yung isa bilang mga cue sa bagsak ng nota.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: Ralph_Petrucci on September 23, 2015, 10:22:18 AM
Nag lalagay ba kayo ng metronome pag nag rerecord kayo? Haha medyo nalilito kasi ako pag medyo complicated parts yung sa guitar tapos isasabay sa metronome :eek:
yes kailangan. papasa lang na walang metronome pag one guitar + voice ka lang na pure acoustic. pero ako talaga, metronome for recording. helps with the editing too. mas madali magedit ng nakametro na track kesa sa hindi. pag wala kang metronome, ikaw rin mahihirapan sa mga retake mo.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: JanMayer on October 02, 2015, 06:42:21 PM
Eto tinry ko magrecord kanina ng cover gamit yung scarlett pati at2020 hahaha di parin talaga ako marunong mag mix ng maayos. :cry:
Medyo sablay din performance, hirap mag rap. HAHAHA anyway share ko lang cover ko ng "Don't" by Ed Sheeran :)
Oo nga bro eh. Mas mabilis pala yung tempo ko kesa sa original, ngayon ko lang nacompare. :eek: :cry:
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: JanMayer on October 04, 2015, 01:54:46 PM
Eh kamusta pala yung mix ng guitars and vocals? Hehehe di ko kasi masabi kung ok ba o ano kasi dito ko pa lang napplay sa headphones kung saan ako nag mix.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: sonicassault on October 05, 2015, 09:58:37 AM
Eh kamusta pala yung mix ng guitars and vocals? Hehehe di ko kasi masabi kung ok ba o ano kasi dito ko pa lang napplay sa headphones kung saan ako nag mix.
mroe mids! actually ok naman yung guitars pero mas bagay sya for full band mix. si ed kasi yung mix nya tunog naka-DI + mic. so yun, para lang mas may attack, bagay din naman sa solo guitar + vocals. I'd personally kill some of the low end, but that's just me. saan naka posisyon mic dito?
para kumapal yung mix, i-pan mo ng konti sa isang side yung guitar, tapos kung naka reaper ka may Haas Effect plugin dyan somewhere, tapos yung wet signal nun i-pan mo sa kabilang side. wider stereo effect!
sa vocals, more low end tapos konting high end pa. yun ang uso ngayon eh :lol: pero pag ganun mas forward yung lead vocal. ok na yung backing vocals konting timpla lang
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: JanMayer on October 06, 2015, 01:19:14 AM
mroe mids! actually ok naman yung guitars pero mas bagay sya for full band mix. si ed kasi yung mix nya tunog naka-DI + mic. so yun, para lang mas may attack, bagay din naman sa solo guitar + vocals. I'd personally kill some of the low end, but that's just me. saan naka posisyon mic dito?
para kumapal yung mix, i-pan mo ng konti sa isang side yung guitar, tapos kung naka reaper ka may Haas Effect plugin dyan somewhere, tapos yung wet signal nun i-pan mo sa kabilang side. wider stereo effect!
sa vocals, more low end tapos konting high end pa. yun ang uso ngayon eh :lol: pero pag ganun mas forward yung lead vocal. ok na yung backing vocals konting timpla lang
Uy! Ayun maraming salamat sa feedback bro! Haha.
Gamit ko dito is yung Alvarez Parlor ko, naka aim yung AT2020 sa 12th fret pero medyo malapit na rin halos sa soundhole kasi nga parlor yung guitar hehe tapos naka DI din ako.
Ang ginawa ko is in EQ ko ng konti yung Mic'd signal ng acoustic guitar, binoost ko yung top end tapos nag boost ako ng konting konti sa low end. Then nilagyan ko ng reverb plugin na kasama sa Scarlet 2i2 tapos namili lang ako ng preset tapos adjust to taste nalang pero parang ang pangit ng kinalabasan :eek: Ang hirap talaga tumimpla ng reverb..
Tapos sa DI signal nung guitar, binawasan ko lang ng mids tapos ayun na. Parehas signal naka pan lang sa center pero mahina lang yung volume nitong DI signal.
Sa vocals naman, ang ginawa ko is tinanggal ko yung low end para medyo mag cut tapos boost ng top end. Yung reverb naman same procedure lang, presets then adjust to taste. Hahaha!
Yes bro naka reaper ako, mahanap nga yang plugin na yan hehe. Salamat ulit bro! Kailangan ko pa talaga mag practice ng mag practice mag record hahaha :-D
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: sonicassault on October 06, 2015, 08:46:31 AM
Gamit ko dito is yung Alvarez Parlor ko, naka aim yung AT2020 sa 12th fret pero medyo malapit na rin halos sa soundhole kasi nga parlor yung guitar hehe tapos naka DI din ako.
Ang ginawa ko is in EQ ko ng konti yung Mic'd signal ng acoustic guitar, binoost ko yung top end tapos nag boost ako ng konting konti sa low end. Then nilagyan ko ng reverb plugin na kasama sa Scarlet 2i2 tapos namili lang ako ng preset tapos adjust to taste nalang pero parang ang pangit ng kinalabasan :eek: Ang hirap talaga tumimpla ng reverb..
Tapos sa DI signal nung guitar, binawasan ko lang ng mids tapos ayun na. Parehas signal naka pan lang sa center pero mahina lang yung volume nitong DI signal.
Sa vocals naman, ang ginawa ko is tinanggal ko yung low end para medyo mag cut tapos boost ng top end. Yung reverb naman same procedure lang, presets then adjust to taste. Hahaha!
Yes bro naka reaper ako, mahanap nga yang plugin na yan hehe. Salamat ulit bro! Kailangan ko pa talaga mag practice ng mag practice mag record hahaha :-D
practice lang talaga yan, tapos minsan mabilis na magmix dahil out of habit na ang mga bagay-bagay dahil attuned na ang ears mo :) yung EQ na yan sa totoo lang mas ok sa live kasi sakto yung mids at di nakikipagtalo sa boses. pero sa recording baliktad kasi ang gusto mo mangyari yung attack bubuhayin nya yung reverb tapos yun ang magbibigay. Try mo i-pan hard left and right yung DI at yung mic'd, pagpantayin mo lang yung volume, then yung isa dun i-flip mo yung phase. you're welcome :lol:
hirap ka sa reverb? naka windows ka ba? download mo yung SIR Impulse Reverb na plugin. paglaruan mo. masaya yan :wink:
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: JanMayer on October 18, 2015, 06:17:29 PM
Ano magandang dynamic bro 1k-2k range or lower lang sana kasi gagamitin ko lang naman sa loop station ko haha ang alam ko lang is yung Samson Q7 and Behringer XM8500.. Baka may iba pang options haha :)
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: sonicassault on October 19, 2015, 08:54:47 AM
Ano magandang dynamic bro 1k-2k range or lower lang sana kasi gagamitin ko lang naman sa loop station ko haha ang alam ko lang is yung Samson Q7 and Behringer XM8500.. Baka may iba pang options haha :)
may Audix f50 ako, gusto mo bilhin? :wink:
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: Ralph_Petrucci on October 19, 2015, 10:30:11 AM
Ano magandang dynamic bro 1k-2k range or lower lang sana kasi gagamitin ko lang naman sa loop station ko haha ang alam ko lang is yung Samson Q7 and Behringer XM8500.. Baka may iba pang options haha :)
SHURE SM57? hahahahaha kung pang live looping paps, mag SAMSON r21s ka nalang. 3 mics, 2,100 pesos. ala PG58 siya sa voicing. reliable, and easily replaceable.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: sonicassault on October 19, 2015, 10:38:21 AM
SHURE SM57? hahahahaha kung pang live looping paps, mag SAMSON r21s ka nalang. 3 mics, 2,100 pesos. ala PG58 siya sa voicing. reliable, and easily replaceable.
Shure SM57 na 1-2k? yun ba yung may bato at chinese newspaper sa loob? :lol:
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: peeves24 on October 19, 2015, 10:39:16 AM
SHURE SM57? hahahahaha kung pang live looping paps, mag SAMSON r21s ka nalang. 3 mics, 2,100 pesos. ala PG58 siya sa voicing. reliable, and easily replaceable.
lagay mo lang sa stand yung samson ok ka na. wag mo hahawakan habang kumakanta dahil walang isolation yun. dinig na dinig yung galaw ng daliri mo
Behringer XM8500 is very good for how much you pay for it
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: Ralph_Petrucci on October 19, 2015, 10:41:20 AM
SHURE SM57? hahahahaha kung pang live looping paps, mag SAMSON r21s ka nalang. 3 mics, 2,100 pesos. ala PG58 siya sa voicing. reliable, and easily replaceable.
Medyo di ata pasok sa price range ko paps yung 57 hahaha. Pang live looping lang sana, oks ba yang r21s bro? Check ko later hahaha
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: JanMayer on October 19, 2015, 01:46:11 PM
Paano kayo magrecord ng clean electric guitar sound? :)
define clean guitar sound?
meron kasi akong mga classification sa clean guitar sound:
Clean Dry, as in Guitar straight to amp lang (hindi ko madalas ginagamit)
Clean Drive, guitar boosted by an od, pero hindi driven, low gain lamang para mainit na clean sound (madalas ko gamitin) think John Mayer's room for squares strat rhythm sounds
Clean Compressor, guitar passing thru a compressor. glassy, at pantay ang volume, hindi nangingibabaw ang bass (on a strat POV to), pantay ang bass at treble sounds. malakas pero walang grit. (think John Mayer's somethings missing rhythm sound or wheel)
with the proper Vst's kaya mo rin maachieve yung actual sound without micing an amp. sa Sonic State Studio (Silent Sanctuary, Kamikazee, Gloc9, Philia, Midnight Meetings, Maja, etc.), purely VSTs nalang, no amps na talaga. so far, very convincing talga.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: sonicassault on November 10, 2015, 04:49:03 PM
Paano kayo magrecord ng clean electric guitar sound? :)
I record direct. Guitar straight to interface. Then I fire up an amp and cab sim.
Tapos tama si boss ralph, depende sa definition ng clean.
I like "jazzy" cleans, yung dry na sinasabi ni ralph, depending on the sound I need, sometimes I don't even use an amp sim (sonic maximizer lang), and if I do, it's with the gain way down low, south of 9 o clock. mix eq to taste.
pag clean drive, I up the gain a bit, I usually set the gain such that the breakup point happens when I strum an open chord with force, with all pots open and the pup selector in the middle (for HH).
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Post by: JanMayer on November 10, 2015, 08:17:43 PM
meron kasi akong mga classification sa clean guitar sound:
Clean Dry, as in Guitar straight to amp lang (hindi ko madalas ginagamit)
Clean Drive, guitar boosted by an od, pero hindi driven, low gain lamang para mainit na clean sound (madalas ko gamitin) think John Mayer's room for squares strat rhythm sounds
Clean Compressor, guitar passing thru a compressor. glassy, at pantay ang volume, hindi nangingibabaw ang bass (on a strat POV to), pantay ang bass at treble sounds. malakas pero walang grit. (think John Mayer's somethings missing rhythm sound or wheel)
with the proper Vst's kaya mo rin maachieve yung actual sound without micing an amp. sa Sonic State Studio (Silent Sanctuary, Kamikazee, Gloc9, Philia, Midnight Meetings, Maja, etc.), purely VSTs nalang, no amps na talaga. so far, very convincing talga.
Clean drive or Clean compressor siguro bro. May balak kasi akong parang vibe/theme/concept nung balak kong EP. Naisip ko clean electric guitar + vocals lang yung vibe tapos parang magandang clean sound ng electric guitar baka kasi bumili ako ng semi-hollow this christmas so ayun haha naiisip ko lang kung ano yung mas babagay na sound sa balak ko and ano pwedeng gawin para ma achieve yun :)
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Post by: sonicassault on November 11, 2015, 08:47:34 AM
Clean drive or Clean compressor siguro bro. May balak kasi akong parang vibe/theme/concept nung balak kong EP. Naisip ko clean electric guitar + vocals lang yung vibe tapos parang magandang clean sound ng electric guitar baka kasi bumili ako ng semi-hollow this christmas so ayun haha naiisip ko lang kung ano yung mas babagay na sound sa balak ko and ano pwedeng gawin para ma achieve yun :)
IMO lang, parang mas bagay ang cleans ng Tele, neck or middle position. Airy yung cleans ng neck pup nun, tapos saktong bite at attack naman galing sa bridge kung kailangan ng extra kick, pwedeng pwede pang solo electric work with vocals. Ok naman din ang HH/semi-hollow sound, but from a mixing perspective, nagooccupy sila ng parehong space ng vocals lalo na sa timbre ng voice mo. Pinaka sweet spot kasi ng HH cleans for solo work yung neck pup na naka-roll off pa yung tone knob, sobrang warm. So pwede rin naman but it will be a very warm record. But still, both can work pero magkaiba lang talaga yung vibe
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: JanMayer on November 11, 2015, 02:25:39 PM
IMO lang, parang mas bagay ang cleans ng Tele, neck or middle position. Airy yung cleans ng neck pup nun, tapos saktong bite at attack naman galing sa bridge kung kailangan ng extra kick, pwedeng pwede pang solo electric work with vocals. Ok naman din ang HH/semi-hollow sound, but from a mixing perspective, nagooccupy sila ng parehong space ng vocals lalo na sa timbre ng voice mo. Pinaka sweet spot kasi ng HH cleans for solo work yung neck pup na naka-roll off pa yung tone knob, sobrang warm. So pwede rin naman but it will be a very warm record. But still, both can work pero magkaiba lang talaga yung vibe
Maganda rin effect yung neck ng Tele hahaha ginamit ko yung fender tele ni kuya at maganda nga combination kaso GAS talaga ako sa semi-hollow kasi type na type ko yung tunog and feel hahaha tapos baka bili ako ng decent amp siguro for recording or kung uubra yung direct tapos amp sim nalang. Haha sa tingin ko kasi ang sarap pakinggan ng cleans ng semi-hollow tapos may magandang attack ng reverb tapos magandang timpla ng reverb din sa vocals hahaha parang ang ganda ng vibe mas soulful :))
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: sonicassault on November 11, 2015, 02:31:28 PM
Maganda rin effect yung neck ng Tele hahaha ginamit ko yung fender tele ni kuya at maganda nga combination kaso GAS talaga ako sa semi-hollow kasi type na type ko yung tunog and feel hahaha tapos baka bili ako ng decent amp siguro for recording or kung uubra yung direct tapos amp sim nalang. Haha sa tingin ko kasi ang sarap pakinggan ng cleans ng semi-hollow tapos may magandang attack ng reverb tapos magandang timpla ng reverb din sa vocals hahaha parang ang ganda ng vibe mas soulful :))
mag amp sim ka na lang hahaha mas mahirap magrecord ng amp kaysa mag amp sim ka. baka mapa-gas ka lang sa magandang amp at mic! plus that way pwede ka mag mix ng dry plus amped tones kasi swabe talaga ang tunog ng DI clean na HH lalo na pag semi hollow.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: JanMayer on November 11, 2015, 09:20:12 PM
mag amp sim ka na lang hahaha mas mahirap magrecord ng amp kaysa mag amp sim ka. baka mapa-gas ka lang sa magandang amp at mic! plus that way pwede ka mag mix ng dry plus amped tones kasi swabe talaga ang tunog ng DI clean na HH lalo na pag semi hollow.
Anong amp sim ba gamit mo? And meron bang magandang amp sim na free lang?
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: Boxedking on November 11, 2015, 09:24:52 PM
Sorry noob question.. Ano yung impulse? at saan nakakadownload?
yung impulse isa syang WAV file (or some other proprietary file) na kinacapture yung frequency response ng isang space, cavity, material, etc. usually a space or cavity is mic'd and a full range tone such as a gunshot or a full range sweep is fired/played in the space and the resulting sound is recorded. In the case of speakers like cab impulses, they simply send the signal through the speakers, although they can also mic the cab itself inside and out to replicate the sound of the cabinet itself.
When you load the impulse into the cab sim or an impulse deconvolver, science happens such that your new input signal (in this case the guitar signal) "replaces" the gunshot/full range sweep and thus triggers the frequency response of the space/cavity/material.
Impulses are different from EQ because it replicates the response and timbre of the space/material, instead of just adding and cutting frequencies. This is like trying to make a DI overdrive signal sound like it came out of a Twin Reverb using just the EQ - it just won't happen. You need to replicate the response of the amp and the cab through impulses or similar tech.
google mo lang yan, sobrang dami :lol: although I use Guitar Rig 5 and Amplitube 3 for my cab and mic sim duties :)
Paano kaya ako makakakuha ng ganitong electric guitar sound using nung LePue amp sim + cab impulses?
Parang sobrang layo ng tunog ko eh :cry:
ito ba yung sinasabi mo na gusto mo na sound? di ba single coil to? personally di ko pa nahanapan ng ganyang tone yung mga LePou sims. Pero I think yung stock Fender cleans ng Amplitube medyo malapit na.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: Ralph_Petrucci on November 12, 2015, 11:13:46 AM
paps janmayer, ang semi hollow na HH, ngongo ah. warningan lang kita. single coils pa din pag clean. there's a reason kung bakit marami paring users ng single coil. iba talga ang cleans ng SC.
i think kung strumming kasi, clean + slight comp ka lang. para hindi harsh.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: sonicassault on November 12, 2015, 11:26:41 AM
paps janmayer, ang semi hollow na HH, ngongo ah. warningan lang kita. single coils pa din pag clean. there's a reason kung bakit marami paring users ng single coil. iba talga ang cleans ng SC.
i think kung strumming kasi, clean + slight comp ka lang. para hindi harsh.
+1 my sentiments exactly. think Jerome Rico, really mid heavy and nasally. not a bad thing for instrumentals, not so good for guitar+vocal work. It has to be at least a P90 semi hollow.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: Ralph_Petrucci on November 12, 2015, 11:38:25 AM
+1 my sentiments exactly. think Jerome Rico, really mid heavy and nasally. not a bad thing for instrumentals, not so good for guitar+vocal work. It has to be at least a P90 semi hollow.
mismo, tandaan, kaya naka ES HH si JM kasi 3 piece sila at hindi naman siya nagiistrum. licks na pasundot sundot yun. which is a strong point of that kind of guitar.
i got a semi hollow, kaso p90s single coil parin. sobrang nasal talaga pag HH. except kung magsswap ka ng pickups.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: JanMayer on November 12, 2015, 12:47:27 PM
yung impulse isa syang WAV file (or some other proprietary file) na kinacapture yung frequency response ng isang space, cavity, material, etc. usually a space or cavity is mic'd and a full range tone such as a gunshot or a full range sweep is fired/played in the space and the resulting sound is recorded. In the case of speakers like cab impulses, they simply send the signal through the speakers, although they can also mic the cab itself inside and out to replicate the sound of the cabinet itself.
When you load the impulse into the cab sim or an impulse deconvolver, science happens such that your new input signal (in this case the guitar signal) "replaces" the gunshot/full range sweep and thus triggers the frequency response of the space/cavity/material.
Impulses are different from EQ because it replicates the response and timbre of the space/material, instead of just adding and cutting frequencies. This is like trying to make a DI overdrive signal sound like it came out of a Twin Reverb using just the EQ - it just won't happen. You need to replicate the response of the amp and the cab through impulses or similar tech.
google mo lang yan, sobrang dami :lol: although I use Guitar Rig 5 and Amplitube 3 for my cab and mic sim duties :)
ito ba yung sinasabi mo na gusto mo na sound? di ba single coil to? personally di ko pa nahanapan ng ganyang tone yung mga LePou sims. Pero I think yung stock Fender cleans ng Amplitube medyo malapit na.
Thanks paps gets ko na rin yung impulse kagabi hahaha may nadownload akong compilation eh sobrang daming impulse nakakatuwa.
Yes bro ganyan sana yung gusto ko na sound. Hahha di ko makuha sa tele ni kuya
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: JanMayer on November 12, 2015, 12:49:47 PM
mismo, tandaan, kaya naka ES HH si JM kasi 3 piece sila at hindi naman siya nagiistrum. licks na pasundot sundot yun. which is a strong point of that kind of guitar.
i got a semi hollow, kaso p90s single coil parin. sobrang nasal talaga pag HH. except kung magsswap ka ng pickups.
ahh yep tama! Naka p90s nga ang gamit ni James Bay dito.. Anyway, kaya kayang makakuha ng ganyang tone sa fender mim tele?
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: Ralph_Petrucci on November 12, 2015, 01:05:29 PM
ahh yep tama! Naka p90s nga ang gamit ni James Bay dito.. Anyway, kaya kayang makakuha ng ganyang tone sa fender mim tele?
kaya naman i would think. pero matinding tiyaga ito paps dahil magkaiba talaga agn character ng P90 sa normal na pickup hahaha. maganda nga ang tunog ng p90. parang normal single coil with more oomph. hahaha try mo tele neck, or middle, tapos roll down onti ng tone knob, tapos fender or JC120 amp sim for cleans. no experience sa lepou, baka si bro boxedking may inputs :) kung sa guitar rig to, i'd use the JC Clean, tapos tube compressor, then middle pickup or neck ng tele mo. adjust to taste.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: sonicassault on November 12, 2015, 01:09:26 PM
kaya naman i would think. pero matinding tiyaga ito paps dahil magkaiba talaga agn character ng P90 sa normal na pickup hahaha. maganda nga ang tunog ng p90. parang normal single coil with more oomph. hahaha try mo tele neck, or middle, tapos roll down onti ng tone knob, tapos fender or JC120 amp sim for cleans. no experience sa lepou, baka si bro boxedking may inputs :) kung sa guitar rig to, i'd use the JC Clean, tapos tube compressor, then middle pickup or neck ng tele mo. adjust to taste.
yun na yun!
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: Ralph_Petrucci on November 12, 2015, 01:22:54 PM
kaya naman i would think. pero matinding tiyaga ito paps dahil magkaiba talaga agn character ng P90 sa normal na pickup hahaha. maganda nga ang tunog ng p90. parang normal single coil with more oomph. hahaha try mo tele neck, or middle, tapos roll down onti ng tone knob, tapos fender or JC120 amp sim for cleans. no experience sa lepou, baka si bro boxedking may inputs :) kung sa guitar rig to, i'd use the JC Clean, tapos tube compressor, then middle pickup or neck ng tele mo. adjust to taste.
tread lightly sa tone knob tho. mas maganda sana kung linear ang pots nung gitara. kasi mas accurate sa adjustment. kung audio taper kasi, extrems lang ang setting so mejo mas mahirap mahui yung setting na hinahanap mo.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: JanMayer on November 12, 2015, 01:29:22 PM
Saan ako makakakuha ng fender ot jc120 amps sim? Le pou LeXtact kasi gamit kong amp sim tapos nilalagyan ko ng cab loader, niloload ko impulse ng fender bassman or junior hahaha
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: sonicassault on November 12, 2015, 01:40:15 PM
Saan ako makakakuha ng fender ot jc120 amps sim? Le pou LeXtact kasi gamit kong amp sim tapos nilalagyan ko ng cab loader, niloload ko impulse ng fender bassman or junior hahaha
Amplitube ata yung meron ng JC120. Sure ako may Fender yun, yun ang gamit ko for cleans eh :lol: may cab and mic sim na rin yun.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: JanMayer on November 12, 2015, 01:54:44 PM
Saan ako makakakuha ng fender ot jc120 amps sim? Le pou LeXtact kasi gamit kong amp sim tapos nilalagyan ko ng cab loader, niloload ko impulse ng fender bassman or junior hahaha
amplitube at guitar rig may JC120 at twin reverb sims paps. not sure sa lepou.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: sonicassault on November 12, 2015, 02:51:01 PM
Anong version ba dapat ng amplitube gamitin ko? Nag expire na yung 10 days trial ko nung custom shop eh :eek:
Matitira naman sayo yung dalawang Fender sims, yung isang Marshall sim, and the proprietary Bass amp sim and their respective cabs and a handful of effects sa Amplitube.
Like ralph said, covered na ng mga free stuff na yan yung needs mo for now. And possibly that's all you'll ever need. Amplitube 3 can cover your Fender cleans and low gain dirt stuff, Guitar Rig 5 Player can cover up to your mid gain stuff plus effects, and LePou can cover your high gain stuff. You can even use Amplitube and Guitar Rig as cab sims for LePou. Some of the effects like delays and reverbs and EQ are better covered by DAW effects. Dont sweat the versions, they're all free! :)
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: Ralph_Petrucci on November 12, 2015, 05:42:02 PM
Naka pirata ako ng full version ng guitar rig 5 hahaha (Sorry, nangangailangan lang talaga :cry:)
Angas neto haha kuhang kuha niya tone ni Mayer
bawal po yan dito paps ha :) rules yan dito sa subforum na ito. dati pirata rin me, pero ngayon i make it a point na pag ginagamit ko talaga, buy a license. or hanap ng freeware. kaya nga wala na akong autotune. reatune nalang tska GSnap. hahaha
Title: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: sonicassault on November 13, 2015, 10:20:16 AM
bawal po yan dito paps ha :) rules yan dito sa subforum na ito. dati pirata rin me, pero ngayon i make it a point na pag ginagamit ko talaga, buy a license. or hanap ng freeware. kaya nga wala na akong autotune. reatune nalang tska GSnap. hahaha
Ako rin, although dahil di na gumagana yung Autotune sa Mac OS, but still, tamang setting lang ng ReaTune, tapos chain yung gSnap pag kelangan ng hardtuning! Pag may credit card na ako bibili na ako ng REAPER license.
Nainggit naman ako dun sa Komplete 9 ni Len! Gusto ko yung sax emulation nun eh :/ para guitar > MIDI conversion > sax emulation Ang saya nun!
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Post by: Ralph_Petrucci on November 13, 2015, 10:21:50 AM
Weird. Niregister mo ba yan? Gumamit ka ba ng Custom Shop amps? Kasi free ang Amplitube 3, ang hindi free yung mga additional Custom Shop amps.
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actually paps lance, tama si sonic. ang alam ko may free pack narin si amplitube. para sakin, basta may marshall, fender at mesa ka nang sims, good to go ka na hahaha.
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Post by: sonicassault on November 13, 2015, 10:32:14 AM
actually paps lance, tama si sonic. ang alam ko may free pack narin si amplitube. para sakin, basta may marshall, fender at mesa ka nang sims, good to go ka na hahaha.
Swabe yung LeGion ng LePou for high gain! Hindi raw sya emulation, original amp sim tone daw sya. I like it, warm yet cutting.
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Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: Ralph_Petrucci on November 13, 2015, 11:12:20 AM
Weird. Niregister mo ba yan? Gumamit ka ba ng Custom Shop amps? Kasi free ang Amplitube 3, ang hindi free yung mga additional Custom Shop amps.
Ako rin, although dahil di na gumagana yung Autotune sa Mac OS, but still, tamang setting lang ng ReaTune, tapos chain yung gSnap pag kelangan ng hardtuning! Pag may credit card na ako bibili na ako ng REAPER license.
Nainggit naman ako dun sa Komplete 9 ni Len! Gusto ko yung sax emulation nun eh :/ para guitar > MIDI conversion > sax emulation Ang saya nun!
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pwede ka na tumugtog ng solo True ng Spandau Ballet! HAHAHAHAHA
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Post by: sonicassault on November 13, 2015, 11:26:46 AM
pwede ka na tumugtog ng solo True ng Spandau Ballet! HAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHA Baka sabihin bingi ako nasa string attack daw yun eh hahahaha
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Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: JanMayer on November 13, 2015, 11:57:09 AM
Oo nga eh... Try ko muna siguro haha check ko nga rin yung free na amplitube 3 mamaya hahaha mali ata 'tong nadownload ko eh
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: CeL1916 on November 13, 2015, 12:47:24 PM
So hiwahiwalay yung guitar plugins niyo? Halimbawa amp sim ng lepou, cab sim ng guitar rig tapos default DAW effects?
Sakin kasi yung mga presets lang ng guitar rig, namimili lang ako ng okay sa pandinig ko tapos tweak lang(isang plug in lang pati) Mas okay ba yung hiwahiwalay na method sa taas?
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: Ralph_Petrucci on November 13, 2015, 12:55:06 PM
So hiwahiwalay yung guitar plugins niyo? Halimbawa amp sim ng lepou, cab sim ng guitar rig tapos default DAW effects?
Sakin kasi yung mga presets lang ng guitar rig, namimili lang ako ng okay sa pandinig ko tapos tweak lang(isang plug in lang pati) Mas okay ba yung hiwahiwalay na method sa taas?
minsan, lalo na pag specific sound ang hanap. lalo na pag bass. :| tapos cheap bass ang gamit, kailangan talaga ng magic para mabuhay :( wala akong sansamp bass DI eh.
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Post by: CeL1916 on November 13, 2015, 02:46:31 PM
minsan, lalo na pag specific sound ang hanap. lalo na pag bass. :| tapos cheap bass ang gamit, kailangan talaga ng magic para mabuhay :( wala akong sansamp bass DI eh.
Oo nga ako din hirap sa bass sound. Anyways thanks!
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Post by: JanMayer on November 13, 2015, 06:32:16 PM
Natry ko yung preset na John Mayer sa guitar rig 5 hahaha grabe kuhang kuha nga pero medyo inadjust ko lang kasi tele gamit ko pero ang galing nung timpla
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Post by: JanMayer on November 13, 2015, 09:01:30 PM
Sa tingin niyo ano mas babagay dun sa plano kong vibe? Electric guitar + Vocals. Stratocaster or Semi Hollow na naka p90s?
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Post by: sonicassault on November 16, 2015, 09:18:17 AM
So hiwahiwalay yung guitar plugins niyo? Halimbawa amp sim ng lepou, cab sim ng guitar rig tapos default DAW effects?
Sakin kasi yung mga presets lang ng guitar rig, namimili lang ako ng okay sa pandinig ko tapos tweak lang(isang plug in lang pati) Mas okay ba yung hiwahiwalay na method sa taas?
In my case, tinatamad ako maghanap ng impulses na gagamitin sa cab sims, eh Meron naman akong Guitar Rig at Amplitube na may cab plus mic plus room sims in one plugin. Papalitan ko lang yung head using a different plugin depende sa sound. Mas maganda talaga yung LePou for high gain and modern dirt sounds eh. Guitar Rig amps are for mix-ready classic overdrive tones, and for me Amplitube amps win in the clean department, so in those cases isang plugin lang ang gamit ko.
I'm also not a preset guy, so I set everything as I go along.
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Post by: sonicassault on November 16, 2015, 09:23:13 AM
So hiwahiwalay yung guitar plugins niyo? Halimbawa amp sim ng lepou, cab sim ng guitar rig tapos default DAW effects?
Sakin kasi yung mga presets lang ng guitar rig, namimili lang ako ng okay sa pandinig ko tapos tweak lang(isang plug in lang pati) Mas okay ba yung hiwahiwalay na method sa taas?
In my case, tinatamad ako maghanap ng impulses na gagamitin sa cab sims, eh Meron naman akong Guitar Rig at Amplitube na may cab plus mic plus room sims in one plugin. Papalitan ko lang yung head using a different plugin depende sa sound. Mas maganda talaga yung LePou for high gain and modern dirt sounds eh. Guitar Rig amps are for mix-ready classic overdrive tones, and for me Amplitube amps win in the clean department, so in those cases isang plugin lang ang gamit ko.
I'm also not a preset guy, so I set everything as I go along.
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Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: Ralph_Petrucci on November 16, 2015, 09:38:20 AM
walang other instruments? hollow p90s. parang justin bieber take you home to momma yung vibe.
Ay oo maganda nga yung take you home to mama hahaha pati yung love yourself na bagong labas, parang ganun din. Hahaha hanap ako this christmas siguro ng semi hollow na decent tapos pickup change nalang. Hahaha ok kaya tong mga greg bennett?
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Post by: Ralph_Petrucci on November 16, 2015, 01:07:11 PM
Ay oo maganda nga yung take you home to mama hahaha pati yung love yourself na bagong labas, parang ganun din. Hahaha hanap ako this christmas siguro ng semi hollow na decent tapos pickup change nalang. Hahaha ok kaya tong mga greg bennett?
imho, no need for pickup change yung greg bennett. decent ang stock na greg bennett.
siguro, greg bennett or epiphone only.
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Post by: JanMayer on November 16, 2015, 01:58:37 PM
Eh kaso HB's yung nakalagay sa semi hollow nila eh haha
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Post by: sonicassault on November 16, 2015, 02:43:11 PM
Tele na lang kasiiiii
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Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: JanMayer on November 16, 2015, 02:46:11 PM
Ok lang naman sana hahaha konting laro pa sa guitar rig.. May pinost ako clip sa IG haha guitar rig gamit ko yung preset na john mayer pero di pa ako makapag experiment sa gusto kong tunog
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Post by: sonicassault on November 16, 2015, 03:04:39 PM
Ok lang naman sana hahaha konting laro pa sa guitar rig.. May pinost ako clip sa IG haha guitar rig gamit ko yung preset na john mayer pero di pa ako makapag experiment sa gusto kong tunog
Na try mo na yung tele na may TS type boost bago mag amp? Kahit plugin lang.
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Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: JanMayer on November 16, 2015, 04:54:15 PM
And my favorite, Ambience (http://blog.wavosaur.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/ambience-reverb-vst.png)
Meron ako nitong voxengo. Ano pinala maganda para sayo paps for acoustic and vocals arrangement? Medyo hirap ako timplahin talaga reverb ng guitar pati vocals. Pag naririnig ko yung ibang kanta sobrang naiinggit ako sa timpla nung reverb.
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Post by: Boxedking on January 26, 2016, 08:24:01 PM
Very subtle lang ang paggamit ko. Check mo sa Youtube yun mga mas malulupit na paggamit ng reverb effects lalo na sa vocals.
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Post by: JanMayer on January 26, 2016, 10:44:40 PM
Very subtle lang ang paggamit ko. Check mo sa Youtube yun mga mas malulupit na paggamit ng reverb effects lalo na sa vocals.
Sige makapag search nga. Haha badtrip na kasi ako eh, di ko makuha yung sakto lang. Minsan sobrang dry minsan naman sobrang basa ng reverb. Ayos namang yung ambience for vox?
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Post by: sonicassault on January 31, 2016, 04:45:59 PM
Sige makapag search nga. Haha badtrip na kasi ako eh, di ko makuha yung sakto lang. Minsan sobrang dry minsan naman sobrang basa ng reverb. Ayos namang yung ambience for vox?
On mo yung reverb, tapos I-roll back mo yung wet signal hanggang sa tingin mo di mo na rinig. Solo playback mo yung track tapos i-off mo yung reverb sa fx. Pag napansin mo yung pag-off, sakto na yan. Pag walang difference masyado dry.
Malaki rin yung effect ng type ng reverb. For acoustic, iwasan mo yung hall type reverb hanggang hiyang ka na sa mixing. Madali na fck up ang hall reverb. Stick to pad/spring reverb. Maganda Kung may lexicon patches yung reverb mo.
Generally dapat mas wet yung vocals kaysa sa guitar. Pero alalay lang dapat sa reverb level mismo, dahil mas importante yung early reflection setting. Try mo yung mababa ang reverb level na mas mataas ang early reflection setting vs zero early reflection pero mataas na reverb level. Mas muddy yung huli.
FWIW ang gamit ko lang yung built in impulse reverb sa REAPER, sakto lang. Sana may SIR na libre sa Mac pero wala eh
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Post by: Ralph_Petrucci on February 01, 2016, 10:27:51 AM
On mo yung reverb, tapos I-roll back mo yung wet signal hanggang sa tingin mo di mo na rinig. Solo playback mo yung track tapos i-off mo yung reverb sa fx. Pag napansin mo yung pag-off, sakto na yan. Pag walang difference masyado dry.
Malaki rin yung effect ng type ng reverb. For acoustic, iwasan mo yung hall type reverb hanggang hiyang ka na sa mixing. Madali na fck up ang hall reverb. Stick to pad/spring reverb. Maganda Kung may lexicon patches yung reverb mo.
Generally dapat mas wet yung vocals kaysa sa guitar. Pero alalay lang dapat sa reverb level mismo, dahil mas importante yung early reflection setting. Try mo yung mababa ang reverb level na mas mataas ang early reflection setting vs zero early reflection pero mataas na reverb level. Mas muddy yung huli.
FWIW ang gamit ko lang yung built in impulse reverb sa REAPER, sakto lang. Sana may SIR na libre sa Mac pero wala eh
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I disagree tho. hall reverb is the best sounding reverb for me. di lang kasi sa dry wet ang adjust. meron ding effect yung brightness at decay rates nung verb. try to play with those settings as well.
FWIW, I use a TC ELECTRONIC M30 Reverb VST
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Post by: sonicassault on February 01, 2016, 11:09:01 AM
I disagree tho. hall reverb is the best sounding reverb for me. di lang kasi sa dry wet ang adjust. meron ding effect yung brightness at decay rates nung verb. try to play with those settings as well.
FWIW, I use a TC ELECTRONIC M30 Reverb VST
Hall verb is great if you know how to use it. Pero pag absolute beginner, super hirap! Nagamay ko lang yung hall type verb nung praktisado ko na yung pad type na reverb tapos tweak lahat ng settings pati yung envelope something setting na Meron sa impulse reverbs.
Lalo na sa acoustic music, pag mali yung hall verb setting tunog shower room :lol:
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Title: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: sonicassault on February 01, 2016, 11:12:29 AM
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Post by: Ralph_Petrucci on February 01, 2016, 11:54:27 AM
Hall verb is great if you know how to use it. Pero pag absolute beginner, super hirap! Nagamay ko lang yung hall type verb nung praktisado ko na yung pad type na reverb tapos tweak lahat ng settings pati yung envelope something setting na Meron sa impulse reverbs.
Lalo na sa acoustic music, pag mali yung hall verb setting tunog shower room :lol:
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idk, from the start talaga, always hall ang gamit ko hahaha. true, it may be hard to feel at first, pero amgandang technique yung sinabi mo na, on off and spot the difference. usually okay na yun.
ako kasi, I like mine really wet dahil ambient acoustic naman ang trips ko eh. dreamy effect. hahaha
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Post by: sonicassault on February 01, 2016, 12:15:38 PM
idk, from the start talaga, always hall ang gamit ko hahaha. true, it may be hard to feel at first, pero amgandang technique yung sinabi mo na, on off and spot the difference. usually okay na yun.
ako kasi, I like mine really wet dahil ambient acoustic naman ang trips ko eh. dreamy effect. hahaha
Ako rin brad I like it really wet HAHAHAHAHA
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Post by: arcansama88 on March 10, 2016, 12:06:32 AM
ano po ba gagawin para yung vocals hindi parang hiwalay yung tunog niya sa banda? tapos ano po ba dapat volume level ng vocals relative to the band? kasi parang nagsstick-out yung vocals e.
second question po. yung rythm at lead na gitara, dapat po ba sa magkahiwalay sila na channel lumalabas? or dapat po ba mostly sa right kunyari yung rythm (pero may onti sa left) tapos sa lead mostly sa left (na may onti sa right)?
last, bago ba i export, ano pede gawin para magdikit lahat ng tunog? ok naman na sha, pero kasi may sinasabi yung iba na may gagawin ka pa para parang pag naging mp3 na sha wav or something dikit yung tunog maliban sa ginawa mo sa mastering.
salamat po, sana matulungan niyo kami.
if it helps, pop-punk po genre namin tas yung mga kanta namin na inedit ko (na kasalukuyan pading may mga problema mentioned above) nakapost po sa myspace account namin. www.myspace.com/quickletsgo
thanks, help us! :?
I am looking for the reply on this question.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: arcansama88 on March 10, 2016, 02:15:42 AM
You can only go so far with a drum machine especially if the sounds are repetitive. Real drummers use dynamics and often add fills and flourishes that are not easily done with a drum machine. As for sound, eq and compression can get you close, refer to this: http://noise101.wikidot.com/metal-drum-guide
Hi KitC
Do you have any other links about this? It says the page metal-drum-guide you want to access does not exist.
Also about the mixing and mastering question reply I was looking for, I already located it. Thanks!
Title: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: sonicassault on March 11, 2016, 01:37:32 PM
1. Vocals. Mostly volume, tapos tamang pag-EQ depende sa quality ng voice nung tao at kung pano sya magsi-sit in sa mix. Para sa pop punk, dapat little or no reverb.
2. Not really, depende lang talaga sa taste at technique. Basta ang goal is balance at may space yung tunog at levels. No hard and fast rule talaga dito so it's best to listen to records on how they pan the instruments. I am an LCR fan though (yung hard panned left and right ang guitars) but if my orchestration can't be used with LCR, I don't.
3. Walang ganun. Mastering should always be the final step. Actually no. Mastering IS the final step before the vinyl hits the template or the laser hits the CD. Doon "didikit" yung track.
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Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: Rav_Fontanilla on March 13, 2016, 02:58:37 AM
Currently nervous about the state of my mix downs,it sounds good to my ears but ewan lang kung sound ba sya pakinggan...
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: arcansama88 on March 16, 2016, 05:00:35 AM
1. Vocals. Mostly volume, tapos tamang pag-EQ depende sa quality ng voice nung tao at kung pano sya magsi-sit in sa mix. Para sa pop punk, dapat little or no reverb.
Thanks Sonic!
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: arcansama88 on April 22, 2016, 11:04:25 PM
Hello recording people of Philmusic!
I just want to know which audio interface and DAW should I be choosing from the two below:
Focusrite 2i2 bundled with Cubase LE version or Presonus audiobox USB bundled with Studio One.
Thank you so much! God bless!
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: JanMayer on April 23, 2016, 01:27:11 AM
I just want to know which audio interface and DAW should I be choosing from the two below:
Focusrite 2i2 bundled with Cubase LE version or Presonus audiobox USB bundled with Studio One.
Thank you so much! God bless!
Personally, I would go with the Scarlett 2i2. Meron ako niyan bro and swabeng swabe yung built-in preamps nung interface na yan. I can't comment on the DAW because I use Reaper lang but it gets the job done naman :)
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: arcansama88 on April 23, 2016, 04:12:59 AM
Thanks Jan! :D If Licensed yung Reaper mo, san ako pedeng kumuha ng licensed na Reaper? Thanks! God bless!
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: JanMayer on April 23, 2016, 05:24:38 AM
Thanks Jan! :D If Licensed yung Reaper mo, san ako pedeng kumuha ng licensed na Reaper? Thanks! God bless!
Yung reaper ko is trial padin... not sure kung saan pwede kumuha. Wait natin yung iba baka may mga naka licensed na Reaper :lol:
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: CeL1916 on April 23, 2016, 07:15:35 AM
Sa reaper website pwede ka magavail ng license.
Pero repear is so good because its free version is already at par as premium licensed DAW. Di ko alam anong need for license when using reaper. Bumili ka nalang lic nse plugins kung gagastos ka.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: JanMayer on April 23, 2016, 03:09:00 PM
Pero repear is so good because its free version is already at par as premium licensed DAW. Di ko alam anong need for license when using reaper. Bumili ka nalang lic nse plugins kung gagastos ka.
+1
kaso di naman daw talaga free yung Reaper. 60 days lang talaga yung trial pero pwede mo naman gamitin kahit kailan. Matagal ko na ring ginagamit yung free version ang difference lang ata pag licensed yung reaper mo eh hindi na lalabas yung notification na pipindutin mo yung "Continue Evaluating" hahahaha
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: Ralph_Petrucci on April 25, 2016, 10:46:37 AM
Pero repear is so good because its free version is already at par as premium licensed DAW. Di ko alam anong need for license when using reaper. Bumili ka nalang lic nse plugins kung gagastos ka.
if you like the software you are using, support it. buy licenses. that way masusustain yung development nung software.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: sonicassault on April 25, 2016, 11:43:40 PM
I just want to know which audio interface and DAW should I be choosing from the two below:
Focusrite 2i2 bundled with Cubase LE version or Presonus audiobox USB bundled with Studio One.
Thank you so much! God bless!
Ako rin sa focus rite na ako. Good hardware and better software between both bundles.
Medyo OT: Yung REAPER bibilhin ko license nyan pag may credit card na ako. Wag nyo sabihin sakin na may paymaya or myeprepaid or visa electron whatever kasi di ako excited mag baba ng $60 sa license :))
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: CeL1916 on April 28, 2016, 12:49:05 AM
Mga sir ano po ang ginagamit nyong earphones? or headphones po ba ang ginagamit nyo?
Kung earphones po, ano po ung cheap na maganda? Thank you... Kakabili ko pa lang po ng focusrite 2i2... Nagaaral pa lang ng recording :)
you can try the Sennheiser HD180. its around PHP 600-800 sa lazada. they are decent and flat, pero mejo flimsy yung cables.
next would be the SUPERLUX HD681Evo. these are good cans na.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: Zacchary_amadeus on June 16, 2016, 03:27:19 PM
Gusto ko matutunan sa video recording kung pano mag video ng rhythm at lead guitar.. I mean Yung sabay ako ngrhyrhythm at naglelead guitar sa video.. Out of topic ata sorry
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: arcansama88 on October 15, 2016, 04:36:18 AM
Hi guys,
Ask ko lang, meron akong focusrite 2i2.. then may amp ako na Peavey 6505+ combo, tapos gusto ko irekta dun sa MSDI (microphone simulated direct input) nya tapos direct sa focusrite 2i2 ko.
Meron nakapagsabi sakin na kelangan daw ng DI box muna bago sa focusrite kase baka hindi daw kayanin nung interface ko or worse masira at sumabog? (medyo exaggeration lang)... So ayun ang question ko hindi ko tuloy siya matry na idirect sa focusrite ko para makapagrecord at natatakot ako AHHAHAHAHAHA!!! So is it okay? Or kelangan ng DI box pa bago ko iconnect sa focusrite2i2?
Thank you so much. :) God bless you guys
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: CeL1916 on October 15, 2016, 08:50:37 AM
Ask ko lang, meron akong focusrite 2i2.. then may amp ako na Peavey 6505+ combo, tapos gusto ko irekta dun sa MSDI (microphone simulated direct input) nya tapos direct sa focusrite 2i2 ko.
Meron nakapagsabi sakin na kelangan daw ng DI box muna bago sa focusrite kase baka hindi daw kayanin nung interface ko or worse masira at sumabog? (medyo exaggeration lang)... So ayun ang question ko hindi ko tuloy siya matry na idirect sa focusrite ko para makapagrecord at natatakot ako AHHAHAHAHAHA!!! So is it okay? Or kelangan ng DI box pa bago ko iconnect sa focusrite2i2?
Thank you so much. :) God bless you guys
Base lang sa alam ko to ha, di ko pa natry pero... Tingin ko pwede yan, kung may line out yung amp mo tapos isasaksak sa interface since line "level" naman ang tinatanggap ng interface diba?
Kaso, kung sakali man, hindi ba amp head lang yung papasok interface so tunog basura parin yun unless may simulated speaker yung line out or gagawin ka ng cab emulator plug-in.
Ang verdict, not worth the risk, since di rin maganda tunog na makukuha mo, so kesa masira ang interface or gumana man pero panget tunog, i suggest i-mic mo nalang yung amp or use amp/cab sim vsts.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: peeves24 on December 14, 2016, 12:26:22 AM
Ask ko lang, meron akong focusrite 2i2.. then may amp ako na Peavey 6505+ combo, tapos gusto ko irekta dun sa MSDI (microphone simulated direct input) nya tapos direct sa focusrite 2i2 ko.
Meron nakapagsabi sakin na kelangan daw ng DI box muna bago sa focusrite kase baka hindi daw kayanin nung interface ko or worse masira at sumabog? (medyo exaggeration lang)... So ayun ang question ko hindi ko tuloy siya matry na idirect sa focusrite ko para makapagrecord at natatakot ako AHHAHAHAHAHA!!! So is it okay? Or kelangan ng DI box pa bago ko iconnect sa focusrite2i2?
Thank you so much. :) God bless you guys
no need for DI, pwede mo ikabit yung XLR ng MSDI direct sa focusrite.
pero di maganda tunog ng MSDI, it sounds muffled and supercompressed/tiny. mas maganda pa rin yung peavey mo used with a mic to the focusrite. better yet, palitan mo yung stock speaker with an eminence governor or celestion v30, no simulation can beat the sound of the real thing.
and dont use the direct outs from amps because it renders the preamp gain and eq useless. usually clean sound lang yun kasi nga 'direct' so from guitar input papunta na agad yun dun sa direct out. no preamp or eq coloration.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: x_taxi on December 14, 2016, 05:46:31 PM
no need for DI, pwede mo ikabit yung XLR ng MSDI direct sa focusrite.
pero di maganda tunog ng MSDI, it sounds muffled and supercompressed/tiny. mas maganda pa rin yung peavey mo used with a mic to the focusrite. better yet, palitan mo yung stock speaker with an eminence governor or celestion v30, no simulation can beat the sound of the real thing.
and dont use the direct outs from amps because it renders the preamp gain and eq useless. usually clean sound lang yun kasi nga 'direct' so from guitar input papunta na agad yun dun sa direct out. no preamp or eq coloration.
Yup! Best to mic up that 6505+ combo. Use an sm57 or that prodipe sm57 wannabe they sell at lazer. I also dont like the msdi sound ng peavey. I have the mini 6505+ head and that msdi blows. Sounds dull and lifeless. iMHo lang naman. Maybe you could learn to love it and make great music with it. Dimebag had the worst tone, but that dude is a beast with his riffs, pero i digress.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: martsss on August 10, 2017, 03:46:46 PM
does any of you guys do mentoring? I've been mixing for almost 4years now and until now,(learning on my own) via the good old internet and youtube and some mixing engineers i follow. wala din kase masyadong courses for Music Prod sa schools malapit dito. I know one sa CSB. pero bka naman may ma recommend kayong Mixing/Mastering Engineer from the south that's willing to be a mentor. Im from Las Pinas BTW. thanks! :mrgreen:
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: bulok on September 16, 2017, 12:29:19 PM
Any thoughts or may nakasubok na ba sa inyo na maglagay ng paper cup sa mic to record drums especially sa toms and snare drums para mabawasan ang bleed?
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: peeves24 on September 18, 2017, 08:49:22 PM
hmmm subukan ko but bleed is your friend
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: jake z on September 19, 2017, 03:17:44 AM
question for everyone.
which method do you prefer when it comes to mastering?
1 stereo file of the mix?
individual instrument stems?
i've read some stuff but wanted to know how you guys do it.
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: vexus on October 29, 2020, 06:58:19 PM
hi guys i have a question
worth it parin ba ang focusrite solo 1st gen until today? may nakita kasi ako for a very cheap price (since may 3rd gen na)
i will be recording vocals and guitars sana thanks
Title: Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
Post by: Boxedking on October 29, 2020, 08:01:18 PM