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Offline kaloyster

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[question] Copyrighted songs
« on: March 18, 2006, 10:00:36 AM »
tanong lang po. pag ang kanta mo bang nagawa ay napa-copyright mo na, kahit hindi ka pa tumutugtog sa mga clubs/shows/gigs at pinangahasan ng iba, may laban ka pa rin dun? kasi pano kung sabihin ng culprits na "baket? tinutugtog mo/nyo na ba to?"

i really need answers and i hope you can enlighten me. thank you.
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« Reply #1 on: March 20, 2006, 04:50:49 AM »
as soon as you copyright a song, it's yours and its protected.
you own the rights to the song and if anybody else uses it and makes money off of it, they have to pay you.

there's a thing known as poor man's copyright where you just record the song, put it in an envelope and mail it to yourself....keep it sealed. it's your way of proving that you wrote the song in such and such a date and the date on the stamp is your proof of when you wrote it. it's not as strong in court as an actual copyright though but at least you have proof.

if anyone wants to use your song, they have to ask permission from you.
you'll have royalties if anybody uses this song for profit.

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« Reply #2 on: March 21, 2006, 06:21:15 PM »
Quote from: frzrsnatch
as soon as you copyright a song, it's yours and its protected.
you own the rights to the song and if anybody else uses it and makes money off of it, they have to pay you.

there's a thing known as poor man's copyright where you just record the song, put it in an envelope and mail it to yourself....keep it sealed. it's your way of proving that you wrote the song in such and such a date and the date on the stamp is your proof of when you wrote it. it's not as strong in court as an actual copyright though but at least you have proof.

if anyone wants to use your song, they have to ask permission from you.
you'll have royalties if anybody uses this song for profit.

ahhh, that's really interesting. thanks for posting this. :shock:

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« Reply #3 on: March 21, 2006, 08:40:19 PM »
sir frzrsnatch, thanks sa info. mejo nagkaron aco ng peace of mind. pero pano pag hindi pa natutugtog sa mga clubs/gig ang kantang nagawa, then parang ang nangyari eh "inunahan" yung may ari? pero naipacopyright na ng may-ari ang kanta. di ba ang mabibigyan ng recognition dun yung nagnakaw? kasi inunahan nya sa pagtugtog eh.
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« Reply #4 on: March 22, 2006, 02:17:08 AM »
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sir frzrsnatch, thanks sa info. mejo nagkaron aco ng peace of mind. pero pano pag hindi pa natutugtog sa mga clubs/gig ang kantang nagawa, then parang ang nangyari eh "inunahan" yung may ari? pero naipacopyright na ng may-ari ang kanta. di ba ang mabibigyan ng recognition dun yung nagnakaw? kasi inunahan nya sa pagtugtog eh.


If someone plays your song in a club take it as a compliment.
If someone is making money off of your song though...that's a different story.

If your song is protected by copyright you have a right to get paid a percentage of whatever they make off of it. And they are required to acknowledge you as the songwriter. If you look at liner notes on records,you'll see the song title and whoever wrote the song listed there too. That's where your recognition comes in.

So get your song protected! Now, before someone else beats you to it.


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« Reply #5 on: March 22, 2006, 11:20:20 AM »
let's look at it this way: kunwari may song acong nagawa. den hindi co pa natutugtog sa mga bars dahil naghahanap pa co ng members (ginawa co sa music software so meaning aco naglayout lahat ng parts). pero pinacopyright co muna. ngayon may kaibigan ng kaibigan ng kaibigan co na nakarinig ng ginawa co, then nagkandarapa shang maghire ng members, prinaktis, tinugtog sa mga bars ginawa cong kanta, then shempre pag lumabas na co para sabihing "langya, eh akin yang kinakanta nyo eh!" pano kung sabihin nyang "patawa ka! akin to! baket tinutugtog mo na ba 'to? malay co bang dahil nagustuhan mo lang kaya mo clinaim?" binaliktad nya. anong laban co dun?

and pwede bang ipa-copyright ang kanta ng DALAWANG BESES? kunwa hindi nya alam na copyrighted na ang song, then he tried to copyright it, papayagan ba sa Natl. Library un?
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ok lang yun...
« Reply #6 on: March 23, 2006, 12:23:52 PM »
its ok dude...

they'll help you broadcast your song...

you can play my songs if you want...
its all good...

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« Reply #7 on: March 23, 2006, 01:47:52 PM »
pano bro kung pinagpipilitan nga nila na kanila yung song (dahil di nila alam na copyrighted)? so they're not giving credit, kundi ninakaw talaga nila.

and another thing, kunwa alam nilang copyrighted na, may paraan ba sila para mapa-copyright nila ung song ulit? example me kakilala sa mataas na recording company? papahintulutan ba yun na macopyright ng twice?
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« Reply #8 on: March 23, 2006, 06:21:25 PM »
FILSCAP can help you...
its all good...

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« Reply #9 on: March 23, 2006, 06:30:52 PM »
Quote from: frzrsnatch
as soon as you copyright a song, it's yours and its protected.
you own the rights to the song and if anybody else uses it and makes money off of it, they have to pay you.

there's a thing known as poor man's copyright where you just record the song, put it in an envelope and mail it to yourself....keep it sealed. it's your way of proving that you wrote the song in such and such a date and the date on the stamp is your proof of when you wrote it. it's not as strong in court as an actual copyright though but at least you have proof.

if anyone wants to use your song, they have to ask permission from you.
you'll have royalties if anybody uses this song for profit.


Don't worry kung ginamit sa recording yung song mo at nilabas sa mga music bars................... That's good, pabor sas'yo yun................ Ilaban mo sa court at pag nanalo ka --> lahat ng fruits ng song that you claim...........ay mapapasaiyo........... 8)

So if you did some modifications sa mga songs mo.........palagi mong i-mail sa'yo...............at least saan mang angulo sa'yo.................  8)

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« Reply #10 on: March 28, 2006, 02:42:22 AM »
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let's look at it this way: kunwari may song acong nagawa. den hindi co pa natutugtog sa mga bars dahil naghahanap pa co ng members (ginawa co sa music software so meaning aco naglayout lahat ng parts). pero pinacopyright co muna. ngayon may kaibigan ng kaibigan ng kaibigan co na nakarinig ng ginawa co, then nagkandarapa shang maghire ng members, prinaktis, tinugtog sa mga bars ginawa cong kanta, then shempre pag lumabas na co para sabihing "langya, eh akin yang kinakanta nyo eh!" pano kung sabihin nyang "patawa ka! akin to! baket tinutugtog mo na ba 'to? malay co bang dahil nagustuhan mo lang kaya mo clinaim?" binaliktad nya. anong laban co dun?

and pwede bang ipa-copyright ang kanta ng DALAWANG BESES? kunwa hindi nya alam na copyrighted na ang song, then he tried to copyright it, papayagan ba sa Natl. Library un?



It doesn't matter if you played it on gigs yet or not....it doesn't matter if you don'thave a band to perform it or not

the fact of the matter is that YOU are the song writer and it's YOUR song

If someone else plays it and tries to claim it's theirs, theyneed proof that it is theirs. If you have the proof that you wrote the song then those cocksuckers won't have a leg to stand on.

Now.........if you haven't gotten your song copywrighted yet please do so. If they are smart enough, they'll copyright the song as theirs before you do.....if that happens...the song is theirs legally.

Do it now before they beat you to the punch.

Like I said it doesn't matter that you haven't performed the song in front of other people yet. What matters is that you'rethe song writer. There are so many song writers out there that let other people sing THEIR songs.

A good example would be an old friend Mike Villegas who used to play with Rizal Underground. He told me he wrote "Paglisan" (over two shots of tequilla in fact). Color it Red performed it,but Mike still got his royalty and recognition for writing the song.

Let me know if you haveany other questions

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« Reply #11 on: April 01, 2006, 05:46:35 PM »
siguro you have to monitor yung career ng band na yun. If ever they record an album and ginamit yung song mo. You have to be prepared for the documents and yung mga procedures para maka claim ka ng royalties.

or kung ayaw mong umabot sa point na yun. ngayon pa lang bigyan mo na sila ng copies ng copyright documents para ma discourage sila.

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« Reply #12 on: April 10, 2006, 02:24:35 AM »
Saan ba location ng Filscap? Do you have a contact number where I can call them? Thanks! =)

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« Reply #13 on: April 10, 2006, 03:47:18 AM »

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« Reply #14 on: April 11, 2006, 09:19:33 AM »
You cannot put a (c) on any of your songs unless it is actually registered. Registration of a copyright is only required if a lawsuit will follow (U.S. law). A poor man's copyright proves both the author and the date of creation.

If you are going to record a song for yourself, keep a copy and have it dated electronically or digitally.
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« Reply #15 on: April 11, 2006, 02:44:58 PM »
We should be aware............ this means alot of us are being aware now adays............... And we should....... :!:

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« Reply #16 on: April 11, 2006, 03:08:22 PM »
eto sir isang incident:

may nagawa acong song, then pinacopyright co na. ngayon tinutugtog co na, pero para makasiguro, ginamitan co sha ng poor man's copyright. so bale ang nangyari, ang copyright co sa nat'l library and poor man's copyright dates ay magkaiba. mas late ang poor man's. issue po ba yon?
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« Reply #17 on: April 12, 2006, 01:20:27 AM »
that shouldn't be an issue.

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« Reply #18 on: April 12, 2006, 07:41:01 AM »
depende......... kung may minodify ka from the first copyright that you made........... walang issue dun........... that means either way sa'yo ang right.......e.g.:
  • 1st copyright -- verse-chorus-verse-bridge-chorus.
  • 2nd copyright -- verse-chorus-verse-bridge-chorus-verse.[/list:u]either way sa'yo ang rights.  Pero kung walang pinagkaiba o pareho lang ang pina-copyright mo............. walang problema kasi nasa iyo naman pareho yung copyright eh.............may problema kung nasa ibang kamay yung unang copyright tapos nasa iyo yung huling copyright.

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« Reply #19 on: May 28, 2006, 11:03:10 AM »
Saan po ba location ng National Library?... I don't know the exact location but I know it's somewhere in Manila, near Intramuros??? Tulong nman po, I will be going there tomorrow to obtain copyright for some song materials. =)

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« Reply #20 on: May 29, 2006, 12:57:28 AM »
national library? baba UN avenue LRT station, walk sytaight ahead towards roxas blvd on Kalaw ave. mejo mahabang walk. Nasa right side yung library. lahat ng tao dun alam yung lib so u can ask for directions.

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« Reply #21 on: May 29, 2006, 01:45:51 AM »
shredmaster,

I think malapit ang National Library sa Kalaw. Im not sure basta alam ko mlapit din siya sa Rizal Park eh.....Basta Manila siya! Hope that helped....


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« Reply #22 on: June 15, 2006, 08:14:08 PM »
:(  :)
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« Reply #23 on: June 16, 2006, 01:15:16 AM »
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You cannot put a (c) on any of your songs unless it is actually registered. Registration of a copyright is only required if a lawsuit will follow (U.S. law). A poor man's copyright proves bought the author and the date of creation.

If you are going to record a song for yourself, keep a copy and have it dated electronically or digitally.



Actually according to US Law as soon as you write lyrics on a piece of paper or as soon as you put a song into tape or cd or on your hard drive, it's automatically copywritten and you can use a copyright symbol (c) to let everyone else know that the song is yours and is copywritten.

You need to have your copyright registered in the library of congress though for legal purposes.

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« Reply #24 on: June 18, 2006, 06:35:17 PM »
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Saan po ba location ng National Library?... I don't know the exact location but I know it's somewhere in Manila, near Intramuros??? Tulong nman po, I will be going there tomorrow to obtain copyright for some song materials. =)



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Apply for copyright registration at the Copyright Division of The National Library of the Philippines. Secure application form in the said office or download form. Those in far-off areas of the country, ask for an application form by e-mail at copyright@nlp.gov.ph or by FAX No: 63.2.524-2329 or by mail addressed to:

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2. What is the difference between patent and copyright?
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For Applied Art - Twenty-five(25) years from the date of making of the (class H) work.


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Sound Recording - Fifty(50) years from the end of the year in which the (class P) recording took place.


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5. Is a patent/copyright in other countries recognized in the Philippines, and vice versa?
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7. How much are the costs involved in a copyright registration?
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8. What are the procedures for copyright registration? Please state the step by step procedures.
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Get one duplicate copy ( together with requirements for copyright registration ) of the application form from the copyright office.

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9. How long is the processing period from submission of requirements to approval of application?
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The Employee owns copyright if object of copyright is not part of his regular duties even if he uses the time, facilities and materials of employer


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The author or creator of any work can waive or transfer hi/her work in favor of a corporation or individual to own a copyright.


11. What woks maybe copyrighted?
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C - Lectures, sermons, addresses, dissertations prepared for oral delivery. Whether or not reduced in writing or other material form;

D - Letters;

E - Dramatic or dramatico-musical composition (T.V. or movie scripts), Choreographic works or

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F - Musical compositions, with or without works;

G - Works of drawing , painting, architecture, sculpture, Engraving, lithography or other works of art, models or designs of work of art;

H - Original ornamental designs or models for articles of manufacture; whether or not registrable as an industrial design, and other works of applied art;

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J - Drawings or plastic works of a scientific or technical racter;

K - Photographic works and cinematographic works and works produced By a process analogous to photography; lantern slides;

L - Audiovisual works and cinematographic works works produced by a Process analogous to cinematography or any process for making audio-Visual recordings;

M - Pictorial illustrations and advertisement

N - Computer programs; and

O - Other literary, scholarly, scientific and artistic works.


12. Does a company apply for a copyright all product designs in a design collection?
Answer: For the purpose of protecting your work. Yes.


13. Can a company apply for a copyright for a single design? Can a company register a single design with the IPO and TNL?
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14. What protection can and company have when its designs are copyrighted?
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15. What are the options available to a victim of copyrighted infringement?
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16. Can a design of regular items (ex. Basket or food cover) be protected by a slight variation or design?
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17. Is it possible to secure a copyright for a design that has already been patented by another company?
Answer: Yes, because unlike the patent office, the copyright office performs ministerial functions. The copyright office only relies on the back of the application form/affidavit that the applicant is submitting his/her original work to the copyright office.


18. How would a manufacturing company know that a product design offered by a designer is copyrighted by another manufacturing company?
Answer: Ask for the certificate of copyright registration or do a research with the copyright office.


19. How does one stop a shipment of a copyrighted item when one has to go through Legal procedures first( by w/c twice the shipment has been shipped out)?
Answer: To make the shipment stop ask the assistance from the Presidential Inter-Agency Committee on Intellectual Property Rights( IAC-IPR) with tel. no. 890-3864 or 896-4694 or any DTI office nearest to you or to the Bureau of Customs; or to the court for injunction.


20. Is it possible to collect damages and opportunity losses from copyright infringement?
Answer: Yes. As long as you are the original creator of your work and registered at the copyright office.




For more questions on Copyright, check out http://www.nlp.gov.ph/.

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