Just want to know, what are the pros and cons recording drums using electric drumset?
I heard some local bands, specially in underground scened metal/hardcore using electric drums..
Kindly share your thoughts or eperienced, Thanks!
Pro's: 1. Tuning of the kit is always accurate 2. You'll need little space 3. No mics 4. Easy to mix
Cons: 1. You can't produce actual cymbal sound - even if you hit it anywhere, it would still be the same programmed sound (for rides of course its different) 2. Set up can be limited ( 3 toms, 1 crash and 1 ride)
Wala na ko maisip na iba, pero for sure may magrereply pa dito.
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Post by: KitC on April 03, 2013, 12:24:16 PM
Limited dynamics - often low velocity samples sound the same as high velocity; only volume is changed. Hihat is mostly open or closed; no half-open samples (except with Roland SPD series which require the hihat pedal to effectively control it.) Samples don't change according to where the pad is hit. (Roland V-drums addresses this, I think).
Some drum modules like the Alesis DM5 used to trigger some samples like snares in a random fashion to simulate changes in tone. It's hard to explain but try to google about it.
If you want to emulate a real drum set, BFD and DFHS are the best I've heard in sampled drums, but when using something like the SPD series to replace a real drum kit, it's best to use them in addition to the drums or to trigger electronic drum samples.
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Post by: peeves24 on April 03, 2013, 04:36:34 PM
kick and toms na electronic ok na. add a little distortion to fatten them up and reverb
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Post by: jerseyboy on April 04, 2013, 01:02:53 AM
for recording and looking at the bigger picture, weighing pros vs cons, for me in home and small studio - electronic drums (roland or yamaha) still comes on top. its just faster and easier in everything: recording, editing and mixing. unless you have deep pockets with a good studio and all the time in the world then go with acoustic. but i bet after mixing and mastering, you can't even tell if the drums used were electronic or acoustic. :-D
bfd is great, it just eats lots of cpu usage and memory.
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Post by: 123kidd on April 05, 2013, 01:03:16 PM
Woah, thanks sa mga reply.. madami akong napupulot sa inyo mga sir..
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Post by: skunkyfunk on April 05, 2013, 03:35:38 PM
ELECTRONIC DRUMS:
PROS: 1) Easy to set-up 2) Quiet recordings are possible 3) You can easily change the sound of the whole kit via MIDI 4) You can adjust velocities of individual hits, and quantize 5) More sounds are possible depending on your module or software samples 6) No worries about room dynamics.
CONS: 1) Very unnatural dynamics, especially for drummers who are experienced with acoustic kits 2) Cymbals feel very weird. 3) Snare hits, especially rimshots (even with triple zone pads) are unnatural too. 4) The best e-drum kits like those from RET percussion are VERY EXPENSIVE, with V-drums a close second. 5) Hindi siya pang Instagram/FB kung ikaw ay rock and roller. :D
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Post by: inigo on April 05, 2013, 04:31:49 PM
PROS: 1) Easy to set-up 2) Quiet recordings are possible 3) You can easily change the sound of the whole kit via MIDI 4) You can adjust velocities of individual hits, and quantize 5) More sounds are possible depending on your module or software samples 6) No worries about room dynamics.
CONS: 1) Very unnatural dynamics, especially for drummers who are experienced with acoustic kits 2) Cymbals feel very weird. 3) Snare hits, especially rimshots (even with triple zone pads) are unnatural too. 4) The best e-drum kits like those from RET percussion are VERY EXPENSIVE, with V-drums a close second. 5) Hindi siya pang Instagram/FB kung ikaw ay rock and roller. :D
+1 :lol:
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Post by: banonie on April 06, 2013, 02:33:00 AM
this one is a good setup.
Nir Z jamming with Superior Drummer® 2.0 and the New York Studio Legacy Series Vol.2 SDX™ Nir Z is playing Hart Dynamics Pro kit 6.4 through a Roland TD-20, triggering Superior Drummer® 2.0 in his laptop. He is using the Allaire library from the N.Y Vol.2 SDX™
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Post by: Xelly on April 06, 2013, 02:44:09 AM
Nir Z jamming with Superior Drummer® 2.0 and the New York Studio Legacy Series Vol.2 SDX™ Nir Z is playing Hart Dynamics Pro kit 6.4 through a Roland TD-20, triggering Superior Drummer® 2.0 in his laptop. He is using the Allaire library from the N.Y Vol.2 SDX™
Yung nga lang TD-20 kotse na presyo. :eek: OT: halimaw pumalo si Nir Z!!!
Title: Re: Pros and Cons recording drums using Electric drumset?
Post by: peeves24 on April 06, 2013, 04:35:03 AM
Pao di ka maubusan ng gamit. :D Astig! Saan na yung Tama kit mo pre?
nasa bahay pa rin...
actually dodj binenta ko yung roland td4 bago ko nagpunta ng us last month. nag ambisyon mag upgrade sa td15 kaya lang nanghinayang ako after testing. the td4 was everything i need and it would be a big waste of money for the extra sounds of the td15. mas mababa din quality ng hardware ng mga bagong td11 at td15 versus my old td4. now i want to buy back my td4 hahaha
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Post by: Xelly on April 06, 2013, 09:07:52 AM
actually dodj binenta ko yung roland td4 bago ko nagpunta ng us last month. nag ambisyon mag upgrade sa td15 kaya lang nanghinayang ako after testing. the td4 was everything i need and it would be a big waste of money for the extra sounds of the td15. mas mababa din quality ng hardware ng mga bagong td11 at td15 versus my old td4. now i want to buy back my td4 hahaha
Uy nacurious lang ako sir. Bakit masmababa quality ng hardware ng td11/15? Sorry medyo OT
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Post by: Tarkuz Toccata on April 06, 2013, 09:21:46 AM
I am very interested to hear your comments. >> http://www.katpercussion.com/ :-)
Title: Re: Pros and Cons recording drums using Electric drumset?
Post by: peeves24 on April 06, 2013, 10:14:33 AM
Uy nacurious lang ako sir. Bakit masmababa quality ng hardware ng td11/15? Sorry medyo OT
yung mga mesh pads at cymbal pads naman pareho lang pero you have to realize na yung essential rack components are made from plastic like the L-rods that hold the mesh pads and all the clamps are plastic.
pangit ng plastic clamps, looks brittle and lighter. yung boom arms mas payat at parang ampaw yung metal kasi yung sa td4 ko dati solid talaga kahit yung plastic clamps mas makapal.
pwede ako mag all the way anytime so i beat up my electronic drums harder than my acoustic drums because they dont make a lot of noise. spending 85k on the td15 will probably cost me another 10k to 15k to upgrade the clamps and L-rods with gibraltar. i dont need the additional sounds anyway - honestly they are not that usable, just variations of what is already standard in the td4.
I am very interested to hear your comments. >> http://www.katpercussion.com/ :-)
tried it at guitar center. hardware is good but the module is its weakness. my benchmark for a good module is how well it translates my "touch" into sound, particularly handling ghost notes and translating my left hand hit against my right hand hit. all the roland TD modules starting from td4 can handle ghostnotes almost exactly how you would imagine it when you are on an acoustic drum. the kat module is just like an alesis dm5 or medeli module, there is only loud and soft and you cant distinguish distinguish between hitting pads with your left hand or right hand. doesnt capture ghost notes well. do a crescendo roll and you'll be really disappointed, sounds dont transition smoothly
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Post by: Tarkuz Toccata on April 06, 2013, 11:23:29 AM
Thanks, peeves24! And, this one? >> http://www.2box.se/US/pages/products/ :-)
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Post by: peeves24 on April 06, 2013, 02:27:59 PM
havent tried it yet but i really tried hard to look for it for 3 weeks in 7 states but i failed. wala sa mga music stores.
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Post by: skunkyfunk on April 06, 2013, 02:40:18 PM
- RET Percussion kit. :cool:
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Post by: Tarkuz Toccata on April 08, 2013, 06:58:09 PM
Title: Re: Pros and Cons recording drums using Electric drumset?
Post by: peeves24 on April 08, 2013, 07:50:50 PM
alesis trigger io with superior drummer
Title: Re: Pros and Cons recording drums using Electric drumset?
Post by: MYN11 on April 13, 2013, 12:09:55 PM
I've used my Roland V Drums and Toontrack Superior Drummer Libraries in all of our albums. Controller ko lang yung V Drums. My sound is entirely Superior Drummer. Wala akong masasabi sa tone. Ganda ng pagkakasample.
Sanayan lang gumamit ng edrums. Pag medyo matagal mo nang ginagamit makukuha mo din dynamic range ng mga pads.
Ako baliktad naman. Pag lumipat ako sa acoustic drums hinihingal na ako ng konti :) Nasanay na kasi sa edrums feel.
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Post by: skunkyfunk on April 13, 2013, 04:12:43 PM
I was pondering on getting a Trigger I/O as well instead of using my DM5's MIDI. For some odd reason, the DM5 has less MIDI sensitivity (or maybe they're a pain to tweak).
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Post by: peeves24 on April 13, 2013, 06:15:11 PM
i didnt like the trigger io dodj so sold it before i even completed my diy edrum project. iba talaga yung matched na trigger pads at module. pero may market pa rin talaga yung trigger io lalo na for kick drum triggering which it does well enough
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Post by: jerseyboy on April 16, 2013, 04:25:00 AM
I've used my Roland V Drums and Toontrack Superior Drummer Libraries in all of our albums. Controller ko lang yung V Drums. My sound is entirely Superior Drummer. Wala akong masasabi sa tone. Ganda ng pagkakasample.
Sanayan lang gumamit ng edrums. Pag medyo matagal mo nang ginagamit makukuha mo din dynamic range ng mga pads.
++1 :wink:
ayus talaga yang roland as midi trigger. pero pag murahin edrums, you get what you pay for.
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Post by: el.sol on May 13, 2013, 06:37:43 PM
i like the hybrid setup ni ser jake.. as for me, im using a real drum kit but got the kick and toms triggered using VST lang. wala kasi akong module. i just used transducer for trigger. saw it on youtube, it works for me though hehe