What are / is your preferred cymbal set-up?

[nikogulo]

i like cymbals that sound good, regardless of brands...as of now di pa kumpleto yung cymbal set up ko. anyway heres the how i like them.

hihats: i was given a pair of old new beats. nice. it's got that nice chick, great washy sound when you bash them. and they are funky 

crashes: i like 18" crashes. i have an A Custom projection crash which I like! it kinda reminds me of Bonham's crash sound which I like. I also like the 19" K Dark medium thin crash!! dark and washy! i know some are selling it here in philmusic, still saving up for it! Z customs sound great too! I also like the crashes in the alpha Paiste line!

rides: i like the jazz rides. a K dark ride, and the 22" constantinoples. i have an old 22" Avedis ride which is sweet..im not a fan of dry rides, and very pingy ones

chinas: 18" are awesome! orientals or paiste pst5!!!! ihave yet to try a wuhan...

splashes: the best sounding one's for me are A Customs, the 8" and 10" models!

The Armand models sound nice too!! i generally like the cymbal sounds from the 60's and 70's! I love cymbals! It depends what music you play thou, but i like playing all kinds...

[Ralph_Petrucci]

chinas: 18" are awesome! orientals or paiste pst5!!!! i have yet to try a wuhan...

hey niko, yeah, you really have to try a wuhan. or better yet, a stagg DH 18".

PST5 is only b8 bronze and has only a limited amount of thrashiness. haha you ought to try my china and see if you would like it.

OT: goodluck sa mag:net bonifacio men. 72 prod?

[plep]

hey niko, yeah, you really have to try a wuhan. or better yet, a stagg DH 18".

PST5 is only b8 bronze and has only a limited amount of thrashiness. haha you ought to try my china and see if you would like it.

don't underestimate B8... maraming china na gawa sa B8 bronze na VERY trashy, much more so than Orientals (which tend to be more gongy and kangy than trashy). ang Sabian merong B8 Pro Chinese (underrated) tsaka yung Signature Devastation Chinese (todo white noise), tapos yung bagong mga Chinas at O-Zone ng APX trashy din sobra (well, at least yung mga soundfile nila sa sabian.com maganda tunog). Sa Paiste naman, di ko alam yung sa PST5, kaso yung Alpha China tsaka yung 2002 China eh trashy enough naman.

with that said... yep, kailangan mo pa rin sumubok ng ibang china. lalo na kung nagagandahan ka sa tunog ng Oriental  okay ang wuhan (authentic), ang stagg (close enough), tsaka ang sabian (best chinas among the big-name brands, lalo na sa HH/HHX range) kung gusto mo sumubok ng mga bago, kakaiba, at mas malupet na mga china.

[Ralph_Petrucci]

don't underestimate B8... maraming china na gawa sa B8 bronze na VERY trashy, much more so than Orientals (which tend to be more gongy and kangy than trashy). ang Sabian merong B8 Pro Chinese (underrated) tsaka yung Signature Devastation Chinese (todo white noise), tapos yung bagong mga Chinas at O-Zone ng APX trashy din sobra (well, at least yung mga soundfile nila sa sabian.com maganda tunog). Sa Paiste naman, di ko alam yung sa PST5, kaso yung Alpha China tsaka yung 2002 China eh trashy enough naman.

with that said... yep, kailangan mo pa rin sumubok ng ibang china. lalo na kung nagagandahan ka sa tunog ng Oriental  okay ang wuhan (authentic), ang stagg (close enough), tsaka ang sabian (best chinas among the big-name brands, lalo na sa HH/HHX range) kung gusto mo sumubok ng mga bago, kakaiba, at mas malupet na mga china.

hey man, yeah, maybe i said that in general. but talking about paiste PST5, it's surely one of the lowest end of paiste. which is all machine hammered. i've used one, and sad to say. it really does not sound "chinese" enough. and anyway, 2002 and alpha's are high ends of paiste already. and would cost you an arm and a leg. no doubt, according to zildjian, sabian or any other cymbal manufacturer, B20 bronze is the most durable alloy to be used on cymbals. try to compare the PST5 china against wuhan lions or stagg DH's to see for yourself. but hey! that's just me. kaya nga "explain your cymbal tastes". and another thing??

i never underestimated B8's. i only said that it has limited thrashiness and nothing more. durability wise? yeah, maybe i would underestimate them. but in sound? uh,uh. never said a thing. at mehn, malayo ang price range ng PST5 sa 2002 at alphas.

[Ralph_Petrucci]

OT:

Pleperz, nkita mo ung SABIAN APX ozone??? parang pinagsangga sa giyera!!! haha lalo na ung 18" inch. basagin na siguro un. pero ganda ng tunog mehn. whew.




sarap nung loud hit nia noh??

[plep]

ralph:
hehe easy lang! trashiness lang ng b8 lang yung sa tingin ko naunderestimate mo. trashiness lang rin naman yung inexpound ko sa post ko e. tsaka durable alloy or not, wuhan's shoddy quality control often means LOTS of durability issues.

tsaka di naman mahal ang alpha. parang xs20 lang yun.

basta the point is, if niko thinks Orientals (which I've tried and don't approve of) and PST5s (which you've tried and don't approve of) are nice, he SHOULD try Wuhans, Staggs, Sabians... actually, anything out in the market. to develop one's taste for good cymbals, one has to sample all the flavors out there, di ba?

tsaka oo grabe yung APX O-Zone! GALIT SA MUNDO!!! kaso di ako bibili niyan unless may lifetime warranty. isang maling galaw lang magdidisintegrate agad yan e.

[rhanen28]

sana may magpasok ng ganyan dito hehe

[nikogulo]

thanks ralph and plep!! I heard the bloodshed drummer last night play a wuhan! il check it out! ive played a Sabian B8 china and I liked the sound of that too!!

 punta kayo ralph sa magnet

[prjm14]

san nio narinig soundclips ng apx? tagal ko nang hinahanap e.. baka un na ang hinahanap kong cymbals..

[gerr4]

wla akong masabi hehe..

crash: scimitar 16"
hats: scimitar 14"
ride: scimitar 20"
china: stagg dh 18"
splash: stagg black metal 8"

ngaun fan ako ng scimitar haha tibay e.. next is stagg sh 17" thin... stagg n zildjian setup oks nako... pag may trabaho na upgrade or dagdag na ng sabians..

[Ralph_Petrucci]

thanks ralph and plep!! I heard the bloodshed drummer last night play a wuhan! il check it out! ive played a Sabian B8 china and I liked the sound of that too!!

 punta kayo ralph sa magnet

hahaha yeah man, ganda ng wuhan kaso, basagin un. about sa magnet??? grabe sayang, kaso may gig din ako nun sa teatrino greenhills. march8 5pm to 1 am. hahaha nag plug e noh. . . haha

san nio narinig soundclips ng apx? tagal ko nang hinahanap e.. baka un na ang hinahanap kong cymbals..

mehn, sa sabian.com, punta ka sa catalogue section. may mga soundclips dun. wala pa kasing APX sa sound check. sa catalogue palang may clips. dabest ung OZONE. haha

wla akong masabi hehe..

crash: scimitar 16"
hats: scimitar 14"
ride: scimitar 20"
china: stagg dh 18"
splash: stagg black metal 8"

ngaun fan ako ng scimitar haha tibay e.. next is stagg sh 17" thin... stagg n zildjian setup oks nako... pag may trabaho na upgrade or dagdag na ng sabians..

mehn, musta black metal splash??? ano tunog nia??

[gerr4]

mehn, musta black metal splash??? ano tunog nia??

haha sir d ko madescribe tunog pero halos preho or medyo mababa ata tunog.. d ako maxadong familiar sa terms ng tunog ng cymbals sry.. para magkaidea ka sir halos kapareho ng tunog ng splash sa song ni bamboo na probinsyana..  sry d ko maexplain tunog hehe pero ok tunog nya..

[nO RLY]

i'd be happy if i had this as my cymbal set up:

* zildjian a series sweet ride
* zildjian 17" a custom projection crash
* zildjian 17" a series medium thin crash
* zildjian 14" a series new beat hi-hats
* zildjian 'oriental' china of any size.

this is my current cymbal set up though:
* solar 14" hi hats
* zildjian 17" a series thin crash
* zildjian planet z 20" ride
* zildjian zbt 16" crash
* and i kinda borrowed my friend's zildjian Amir II china 

[mondi99060451]

Check this out

http://pearldrummersforum.com/showthread.php?t=196310

JJ Johnson, the tour drummer of John Mayer is using 18" cymbals as hihats!!!

Ano kaya tunog nun? 

[maplesyrup]

my cymbal taste.... hmmmmm 

maalat alat na may konting toyo at sili... ehehehe...
simple lang... basta short decay and matinis.... mga A Custom... at dry K. yan! sarap... gusto ko kasi maganda pakingan pag pinapalo ko at maganda rin pakingan ng mga nanunuod. yun lang! bow! 

[prjm14]

having my ride back made me realize na siya pala ang pinakamahal ko sa setup ko.. sorry sinabi kong di ako mahilig sa ride, mahal na mahal ko siya!!..

[intake]

san nio narinig soundclips ng apx? tagal ko nang hinahanap e.. baka un na ang hinahanap kong cymbals..

meron sa site nila nung soundclips, eto kkwentuhan kita ng experience ko sa APX line  meron na kasi sa suking guitar center nung APX line, ang nasubukan ko yung 14' hihat, 16' at 18' crash, 22' ride, 12' splash saka yung 18' chinese..

langya ang lalakas nilang lahat! except dun sa 16' crash hindi ganun kaimpressive..parang normal 16" crash lang din yung lakas niya eh, oo bright sila kaso di naman ganun kataas yung pitch.. responsive din sila ah, mahina ako pumalo pero ang lakas pa din! paano pa kaya pag rock? (which the cymbal is meant for), yung 18' china ayus din naman..nakakainis lang is malakas pa din yung "pang" sound na ayokong ayoko sa china, partida may kanipisan pa yung china ah...yung 12' splash ayun talaga! gagamitin ko talaga yun pag rock ang tugtugan! 

(langya yung mga taga guitar center..yung demo kit na nilagay nila para sa APX eh yung manu katche junior kit!  )

[prjm14]

meron sa site nila nung soundclips, eto kkwentuhan kita ng experience ko sa APX line  meron na kasi sa suking guitar center nung APX line, ang nasubukan ko yung 14' hihat, 16' at 18' crash, 22' ride, 12' splash saka yung 18' chinese..

langya ang lalakas nilang lahat! except dun sa 16' crash hindi ganun kaimpressive..parang normal 16" crash lang din yung lakas niya eh, oo bright sila kaso di naman ganun kataas yung pitch.. responsive din sila ah, mahina ako pumalo pero ang lakas pa din! paano pa kaya pag rock? (which the cymbal is meant for), yung 18' china ayus din naman..nakakainis lang is malakas pa din yung "pang" sound na ayokong ayoko sa china, partida may kanipisan pa yung china ah...yung 12' splash ayun talaga! gagamitin ko talaga yun pag rock ang tugtugan! 

(langya yung mga taga guitar center..yung demo kit na nilagay nila para sa APX eh yung manu katche junior kit!  )

interesado din kasi ako sa apx, kaso lang mukhang ndi muna.. la pa ako pera e, hehe.. dba b8 din un? kaya mas mura parin siya?

[intake]

interesado din kasi ako sa apx, kaso lang mukhang ndi muna.. la pa ako pera e, hehe.. dba b8 din un? kaya mas mura parin siya?

yupyup! gulat nga ako eh kala ko cast cymbal siya  ang ganda ng tunog niya for a B8 ah..technology nga naman  mra din eh, yung 14' hihat 119 bucks siya dito

[Ralph_Petrucci]

APX are b8 pero hand hammered?

think paiste 2002's

as far as i know

hi intake!

[plep]

APX are b8 kaso pang-AA ang hammering tsaka lathing. ata.

siguro parang xs20 yung presyo?

basta okay yun kung volume ang habol mo.

[prjm14]

ang sarap cguro nun.. maganda na tunog, mura pa.. hehe so binebenta na talaga siya? cool!
kasi love na love ko ung tunog ng xs20 hats, kailangan ko munang mapakinggan ung apx para magbago isip ko..

[drummerboy827]

I don't have a specific taste. As long as it fits the budget it alright. I find it better to not have a specific favorite because parang mas magiging "maarte" ka. Plus it gives you an open selection of cymbals and cool sounds.